Ben. don't forget about offset boring. This (primarily intake) valve deshrouding method is also used in high-performance applications. Depending on intake-exhaust valve orders along cylinder heads, it can become advantageous in certain applications. Although somewhat esoteric, it is performed to extract every last fraction of horsepower. Thank you for the informative content, as usual.
Bill, you got it right on point and for all of us trying to get every little bit it is worth every effort which makes us winners for trying everything!
RIP Hector Vazquez!! He must have been a great guy if he thought you should share your very important knowledge with the small guy. With all the people just throwing turbos on engines and cranking the boost up it seems like we are going to eventually lose this valuable knowledge of what's really going on. Thank you Ben for being Soo kind as to pay it forward.I learn something new in every video of yours I watch. Which most of them I've watched multiple times.
Thank you very much and words you stated makes me feel it is really worthwhile, doing videos helping understand what is really going on from the basics to the advance! He saw something there and kept telling me to do it and from that I can never repay him!
@@blindabinda1234, i try to distance myself by talking more of what I have seen at the tracks instead of the usual flow or dyno tests. Real world if that is what we are about...
I miss his presence and he kept bugging me for years to do these things and when he knew he is on borrowed times came by and we did the first video with him holding my phone! This video is on the bottom of my page and I remember it like it was yesterday.
I paid for them about a year before they came out and when I showed up people where wondering what it was. I switch to an air cooled heads, pipes, CAI and racing centrifugal clutch! Would hit 85mph on the straights really hauling considering it is not any longer than a bathtub!
Great content yet again Ben 🙏 I have wondered about Windsor heads on Cleveland block. In Australia OEM Windsor blocks have become pretty scarce compared to Clevo - I have a few 3" stroke 302 clevo's and am thinking of a good offroad motor combo and see tons of cheap Windsor alloy heads, and just think it could be a real torque mill using what I got? Nice to stay in the Ford parts bin...kinda 😉👍
Absolutely this is workable and use 302 manifolds with a spacer or, use a 9.2 deck manifold and raise the ports because it should be close or mill it to fit if you do not weld or epoxy the ports.
Yes and the man was a legend and a true Patriot who saw everyone as American regardless of race or religion. We were very close and he gave many of his personal photos and movie contracts...rip.
I am glad your friend got you into making these videos. Most I won't use cause right now I am just building a Ls3 for my swap. But stuff like the exhaust valve trick and such. But when I build my other engine I will lol. I enjoy your videos brother. Thank you. By the way, the picture you showed was a little grainy. You looked like Eric Lastoda there lol.
By the way, this is Hugh Robinson. I change my name because its the name my grandkids started calling me. Grampito.I thought it would be funny to them.
Good thing you asked and it will not have an effect because the TW is farther from the wall. However, on competition engines or max effort street machines with oversize valves like we run 2.16 to as much as 2.20 they have helped. If you have the street versions with stock valves perhaps maybe.
How about doing the dowel offset on a lathe, from bar stock, in a four jaw chuck, to get the top half / bottom half offset? Give me some dimensions and I’ll do you a set.
I completely missed your suggestion as I was hitting 2am here in Vegas... Machinist like you always has the better solutions and best advice is to give a call! Thanks George.
Why anyone would use an LT head is beyond me, they are a dry flow system & the heads produce absolutely no power when used in an application that's not Direct injection & even then they are extremely limited. The port velocity of an LT head is way too fast for an air/fuel charge, it deatomises badly. I'd recommend anyone wanting to do an LS head on a Ford to just buy The SC2 CID casting, it's cheaper in the long run 4:53
Clark, never would I underestimate an individuals capability or inability to screw things up or make impressive power! Just look at extremely fasts diesel in heavy tank like trucks and cars! Many started with DI and look what they have done blows my mind. Some retain the DI while others piggy back an injector(s) upstream.
I smell what your stepping in! My question is, how much can be expected out of this? I’d say the juice is worth the squeeze on a street application like you said, but these class racers I’d say it is worth it.
There are many similarities from the crank hardly discernable side by side plus the counterweights, bolt size at dampener, head bolt pattern plus dowel location, symmetry of the intake and exhaust meaning no more mirror ports or siamese exhaust... etc. However, Ford does not hold any patent or design rights therefore who copied or whatever is a matter of opinion or lack thereof. I feel both designs specially the LT should respond similarly to a SBF modifications and I feel that is awesome! Makes my life easier.
@@benalamedaracing2765 Well the fact that Ford didn't place patents on its design makes it easy to discern for me. However I can see your point where its easier for you. Keep the Videos coming I'm learning so much... Thank you !
@@TallStarlite, I feel it is the right direction for GM racing to do it this way because of the advantages of symmetrical ports. Just like in stealth aircraft designs, they start looking the same because form follows function and they end up basically the same. Thanks Starlite!
Well with that said it is amazing the common design of an LS to a SBF. From the symmetrical intake and exhaust no more siamese exhaust causing overheating on high horsepower or mirror intake ports, cross bolt mains, "look alike crank" from throws to counterweight locations making the LS crank uses Cleveland bearings, converting to carb & distributor requires a MSD-SBF distributor, same bolt pattern plus dowel location, the carb intake is a copy of the Edelbrock 2828, shares the same crank bolt size 15/16, same bore and deck spacing, that said both share real similarities and now the latest LT reverse the common deck pattern and move the symmetrical layout to be exactly like the SBF, same intake approach angles and valve locations I highlighted here. Both are excellent designs and will respond the same because they are...Good for us looking for an edge.
Ben. don't forget about offset boring. This (primarily intake) valve deshrouding method is also used in high-performance applications. Depending on intake-exhaust valve orders along cylinder heads, it can become advantageous in certain applications. Although somewhat esoteric, it is performed to extract every last fraction of horsepower. Thank you for the informative content, as usual.
Bill, you got it right on point and for all of us trying to get every little bit it is worth every effort which makes us winners for trying everything!
Thanks you .thanks 😘
RIP Hector Vazquez!! He must have been a great guy if he thought you should share your very important knowledge with the small guy. With all the people just throwing turbos on engines and cranking the boost up it seems like we are going to eventually lose this valuable knowledge of what's really going on. Thank you Ben for being Soo kind as to pay it forward.I learn something new in every video of yours I watch. Which most of them I've watched multiple times.
Thank you very much and words you stated makes me feel it is really worthwhile, doing videos helping understand what is really going on from the basics to the advance! He saw something there and kept telling me to do it and from that I can never repay him!
@@benalamedaracing2765 most content creators talk a lot, but have completely nothing to say.
@@blindabinda1234, i try to distance myself by talking more of what I have seen at the tracks instead of the usual flow or dyno tests. Real world if that is what we are about...
Offset dowels are fairly easy to make. Love your content. Take care.
You gave me a good idea and make them out of forged aluminum and sell them according to how much you want to move them! Thanks.
@@benalamedaracing2765 I have a lot of useful information on a variety of things.
Thank you Hector.
I miss his presence and he kept bugging me for years to do these things and when he knew he is on borrowed times came by and we did the first video with him holding my phone! This video is on the bottom of my page and I remember it like it was yesterday.
Weld up a stock dowel and machine it on a lathe. I’m also a fan of notching the cylinder bore like a Cleveland or BBC block.
thanks hector
Indeed and miss his presence...
R.i.p hector !
great info Ben 😎condolences to you for your friend Hector Vazquez 🙏🏻😇
He was instrumental in getting me to do these videos and had been telling me for a long time till we did the first one at the bottom of my channel.
I always wanted one of those Honda Odyssey's!
I paid for them about a year before they came out and when I showed up people where wondering what it was. I switch to an air cooled heads, pipes, CAI and racing centrifugal clutch! Would hit 85mph on the straights really hauling considering it is not any longer than a bathtub!
Great content yet again Ben 🙏
I have wondered about Windsor heads on Cleveland block. In Australia OEM Windsor blocks have become pretty scarce compared to Clevo - I have a few 3" stroke 302 clevo's and am thinking of a good offroad motor combo and see tons of cheap Windsor alloy heads, and just think it could be a real torque mill using what I got? Nice to stay in the Ford parts bin...kinda 😉👍
Absolutely this is workable and use 302 manifolds with a spacer or, use a 9.2 deck manifold and raise the ports because it should be close or mill it to fit if you do not weld or epoxy the ports.
Was that the racing that Big Willie ran?
Yes and the man was a legend and a true Patriot who saw everyone as American regardless of race or religion. We were very close and he gave many of his personal photos and movie contracts...rip.
Thanks for explaining that mr Alameda. Are you suggesting a hybrid ford small block and lt heads sounds pretty good.peace
For me I keep Chevy a chevy and Ford a Ford! But there are others who think otherwise so I figured whatever floats your boat!
I'm just honored to find your channel.your knowledge is priceless.thankyou for sharing believe mr Alameda im listing always from Australia. Peace
Always interesting.
Thanks Adam.
I am glad your friend got you into making these videos. Most I won't use cause right now I am just building a Ls3 for my swap. But stuff like the exhaust valve trick and such. But when I build my other engine I will lol. I enjoy your videos brother. Thank you. By the way, the picture you showed was a little grainy. You looked like Eric Lastoda there lol.
Thank you sir and who is Eric Lastoga? Hope he is a good guy! lol
Your from California? 70s show C.H.I.P.S. Ponch. I may not have spelled his name right lol.
By the way, this is Hugh Robinson. I change my name because its the name my grandkids started calling me. Grampito.I thought it would be funny to them.
@@GrandPitoVic, I think the actors name was Eric Estrada or something like that!
There you go, Estrada. I told you i didn't think I spelled it right, but yea that's it l.
Mr. Alameda is there a power gain when shifting the heads if they're TFS twisted wedge heads?
Good thing you asked and it will not have an effect because the TW is farther from the wall. However, on competition engines or max effort street machines with oversize valves like we run 2.16 to as much as 2.20 they have helped. If you have the street versions with stock valves perhaps maybe.
How about doing the dowel offset on a lathe, from bar stock, in a four jaw chuck, to get the top half / bottom half offset?
Give me some dimensions and I’ll do you a set.
I completely missed your suggestion as I was hitting 2am here in Vegas...
Machinist like you always has the better solutions and best advice is to give a call!
Thanks George.
When shifting the Ford heads, what do you do with the intake? Especially the distributor re-allignment.
Refer to the last part of the video and this does not affect the distributor or distribution of the airflow if that is what you meant.
Distributer goes through block not like chebbys, makes this easier
@@alltherpm, should be no problem.
Why anyone would use an LT head is beyond me, they are a dry flow system & the heads produce absolutely no power when used in an application that's not Direct injection & even then they are extremely limited. The port velocity of an LT head is way too fast for an air/fuel charge, it deatomises badly.
I'd recommend anyone wanting to do an LS head on a Ford to just buy The SC2 CID casting, it's cheaper in the long run 4:53
Clark, never would I underestimate an individuals capability or inability to screw things up or make impressive power! Just look at extremely fasts diesel in heavy tank like trucks and cars! Many started with DI and look what they have done blows my mind. Some retain the DI while others piggy back an injector(s) upstream.
When bolting Lt heads on sbf, does a Ls intake fit back on without special spacers?
Depends on the deck height ogf the sbf. You will need them on the 9.5 deck and the 9.2 will be close .
I smell what your stepping in! My question is, how much can be expected out of this? I’d say the juice is worth the squeeze on a street application like you said, but these class racers I’d say it is worth it.
For me I strive for even the smallest of gains, when done and combined altogether it becomes a big advantage!
So who copied who ? I've heard GM copied SBF or is it just a coincidence ?
There are many similarities from the crank hardly discernable side by side plus the counterweights, bolt size at dampener, head bolt pattern plus dowel location, symmetry of the intake and exhaust meaning no more mirror ports or siamese exhaust... etc.
However, Ford does not hold any patent or design rights therefore who copied or whatever is a matter of opinion or lack thereof.
I feel both designs specially the LT should respond similarly to a SBF modifications and I feel that is awesome! Makes my life easier.
@@benalamedaracing2765 Well the fact that Ford didn't place patents on its design makes it easy to discern for me. However I can see your point where its easier for you. Keep the Videos coming I'm learning so much... Thank you !
@@TallStarlite, I feel it is the right direction for GM racing to do it this way because of the advantages of symmetrical ports. Just like in stealth aircraft designs, they start looking the same because form follows function and they end up basically the same.
Thanks Starlite!
You don’t need any dowels or all that nonsense. Just do an ls swap and be done with that Ford nonsense.
Well with that said it is amazing the common design of an LS to a SBF. From the symmetrical intake and exhaust no more siamese exhaust causing overheating on high horsepower or mirror intake ports, cross bolt mains, "look alike crank" from throws to counterweight locations making the LS crank uses Cleveland bearings, converting to carb & distributor requires a MSD-SBF distributor, same bolt pattern plus dowel location, the carb intake is a copy of the Edelbrock 2828, shares the same crank bolt size 15/16, same bore and deck spacing, that said both share real similarities and now the latest LT reverse the common deck pattern and move the symmetrical layout to be exactly like the SBF, same intake approach angles and valve locations I highlighted here. Both are excellent designs and will respond the same because they are...Good for us looking for an edge.
GM must love that 60 year old Ford nonsense to imitate it so closely.....but why did they take so long to see the light???😁🤣😇
Offset dowels are fairly easy to make. Love your content. Take care.
That would be the easiest and accurate way of moving the heads!