MW Dev Here: Damn I didn't know Aggy even played horror games. I've been binging his Elden Ring stuff since the DLC came out. Really strange to see this on my feed. Thanks for playing!
Incredible game man, so many things that were very well foreshadowed/laid out that I completely missed that became so clear upon this second viewing. Also it is absolutely mindboggling the way the game kept surprising me when it comes to just really cool sequences and like shifts in perspective/gameplay.
A couple of things that I think Aggy and chat missed. Curly did not agree to crashing the ship, there's dialogue that Aggy skipped where curly asks jimmy "what did you do?" And on his way to the cockpit it explodes and he gets these horrible burns. Also, yeah, Jimmy raped Anya and when he found she was pregnant he decided by himself to blow up the ship. I know it ain't everyone's cup of tea but I'm impressed with the writers, really A+ quality, the story and dialogue.
Was it rape? The way Anya acted around Jimmy in the aftermath didn't jive with that, but maybe the detail was missed. I assumed it was consensual but he just reacted badly to the pregnancy. Overall it seemed like Jimmy was jealous of Curly being captain, and became obsessed with this idea that he had to prove himself to be more capable than him of taking care of the crew. Hence his very fucked up ideas about "fixing" their problems. Curly didn't want to be captain anymore, so Jimmy crashed his ship. Daisuke was insecure and cowardly, so he coerced him into doing something "heroic" that got him killed. Anya was depressed about the pregnancy, so (based on the last part) I gathered that he probably tried to induce an abortion against her will. All of these obviously had horrible outcomes, which is why Jimmy went completely insane, because he realized he's a horrible captain compared to Curly.
@@Morgannin The way that Anya is acting *does* make sense, when you consider that they're 4 (5 technically but Curly basically isn't a factor post-crash) people stuck alone together on a ship during an emergency situation where her assaulter is now also her superior officer. She doesn't really have the luxury of avoiding him or refusing to cooperate with him, so she's doing the next best option available to her, resorting to placating behaviour: a common tactic of victims of abuse who are not in a position to either escape their abuser or physically fight back against them. And ultimately she *still* feels trapped enough to resort to what she does in the end. Her talking to Curly specifically about there not being locks on the sleeping quarters is imo pretty clearly flagging SA (someone came in against her wishes while she was sleeping)
@@estmachina You may be right. I missed the comment about locks, which does change the perspective a bit. I was going to acknowledge that she would not have a choice but to act "normal" around Jimmy when he's in charge, and that it would be sketchy for a single female to be put on a crew of four men, but it seemed weird to me that she wouldn't tell the captain that she was raped by one of the crew. In hindsight it is naive to assume she would, especially considering that Curly and Jimmy have been lifelong friends. So I'll concede that this seems like the intent of the writer. I don't think it adds anything to the plot, though, if I'm being honest. It doesn't contribute to the other personality flaws of Jimmy that seem to be driving the plot, but instead is just an independently horrific thing he did to make the whole story even more miserable. He's a bad enough dude and his mistakes as interim captain were driven by his pitifully high regard for his leadership skills. Adding sexual assault to that list is just like saying "oh and he was a rapist too." Maybe I'm just reading the rest of the plot wrong, though, and the whole point is just that Jimmy was a shithead, rather than anything more nuanced than that.
@@Morgannin yeah, i agree that i don't think that it feels very plot necessary in this case, even if it's what the writer intended. It just seems like *another* reason why Jimmy is a selfish and untrustworthy person very badly suited for being in a position of responsibility over others, which I feel like the game already gives us plenty of even without it. "Woman gets SA'd"/"Woman gets pregnant (especially in far from ideal situations)" are both tropes that show up a lot in media, especially horror, and I feel like it's very difficult to write them in a way that don't feel either unnecessary or gratuitous. I think this game was *trying* to do something there, with some of the imagery around pregnancy/childbirth it had later on (with the whole vent monster part) but I'm not sure it *quite* got there for me personally at least
@@estmachina Gratuitous definitely feels like the case here. It's a trope that kind of needs to be focused on to make it work. Adding it on top of other themes means it doesn't really get the focus and gravity it kind of needs.
*Mouthwashing is messed up. Be mindful of the headspace you approach this game with.* Truly one of the best horror experiences of recent memory. Wields very real and grounded themes and horror like razorblades. Will stick with me for a long time. Up there with Dead Space, SOMA, Alien Isolation, ANATOMY, this game is one of the greats, as minimal as the gameplay is. Incredible work by Wrong Organ, I'm looking forward to the next thing with their name on it.
In the scene where Swansea breaks into the cockpit, the static-scrambled item was the gun. Description said something like his hands wouldn’t stop shaking.
SPOILER ALERT:............The 2 best things about this game is: 1, how human the story feels despite the "dated" graphics and game mechanics. 2, we play as the unreliable narrator, or more specifically, we play as the villain which subsequently makes us as the player feel more involved with the story. As if we are physically there as well. Great writing all and all
Honestly, maybe I am dense or it is because english is not my native language, but I dont understand how it is said that Anya was raped by Jimmy. I understand that the comment about locks (or lack of) in the bedroom doors is pretty heavy, but I dont see why it was Jimmy who raped her, and not Curly. I mean, Curly making it doesnt make a lot of sense (since she "felt" pretty "safe" with him, apparently), and maybe it is due to the hierarchic relationship between Jimmy and Anya, but she "seems" quite... nice with him ? More than neutral, I would say (even if not by a lot, tho). And if Jimmy raped her, I really dont understand the conversation between Jimmy and face-revealed Curly, and why Jimmy shamed Curly about his lack of talent being captain. More precisely, I have no clue why Curly would not execute here and there Jimmy if he knew he raped Anya. Sorry for the long message, and in hope someone could enlighten me. EDIT : and was Jimmy and the horse trolling, symbolism or just anti-capitalism meaning ? (remind me a lot of Alien)
From my analysis/perspective on it, it is really clear that Jimmy raped Anya, theres the mention of locks, she specifically mentions both the locks and to keep the gun away from "him" when you play as Curly, why would she say that specifically to her assaulter if it was Curly? It is not Curly. Curly was throughout the game a person who always tried to fix things, which is something we experience through Jimmy's eyes as well, but in a different way. We see Curly trying to fix everyone else's problem in a selfless way. Through the dialogue between Jimmy and Curly in the cockpit he mentions having 'peaked' in his career and worry about if that's everything there is. It's the first and only time we see him actually open up about his own personal worries. During the last dialogue between Jimmy and Curly, when Curly's face is revealed, I think he finally realizes that he can't fix it all, and that same type of pressure we see throughout the game has been on him this whole time. However with Jimmy's perspective he's trying to fix his own problems, in a selfish way. He's jealous about Curly's position, I don't know what Jimmy was planning in order to 'fix' his situation with Anya, I think he might've tried to just end it all in that moment, when you play as curly and approach the cockpit you can see Jimmy sitting and is panicking to an extent outside the cockpit, I think he in his own eyes would "fix it" by killing everyone (or just him) in a crash, essentially escaping the consequences, but he survived, and Curly was hurt. So he saw an opportunity of shifting the blame on Curly, he could be seen as the hero. He could "redeem" himself with it, assuming they all got to safety in the end. And the part of Jimmy and the horse I believe was, from Jimmy's perspective, a fully a troll answer at the assessment, and I think some chatters (that I saw) took it a bit too literally. However there are always deeper meanings to things. It is essentially a troll answer with an anti capitalist symbolism to it as well. He rants about "we're the ones trying to escape" which is about escaping from the hell of being low-income/low-status people under capitalism, and the horse stuff is a symbol for that capitalism. But there is no 'sexual obsession' with cartoon horses from Jimmy
@@torrix_4595 I understand what you explained about the gun, ans it is a fair point, thank you. But then, why wouldn't Anya 1) gives the gun immediately to Curly (so he may uses it or not against Jimmy) 2) didn't tell Swansea during these months before or after the crash ? Was she lacking trust in Swansea, or even Daisuke ? Swansea clearly and openly despised Jimmy. I do think Jimmy raped Anya, nevertheless. I am just trying to understand how it is articulated in the game.
@@aurelionsolofficial I'd like to jump in & add to the perspective! Anya is the only woman aboard a crew of men. Jimmy is the co-pilot, with Curly being the pilot - & curly has stated to Anya before that he and Jimmy are long-time friends. Their freighter ship is going to be in space for another 8 months. Anya likely wasn't in the best mindset because of these factors and probably felt some level of shame & fear regarding her situation. When she did tell Curly she was pregnant, he acts confused and she says "I told you." Curly immediately understands she is talking about Jimmy. So, it seems she has told Curly, and his immediate reaction was to defend his friend rather than comfort Anya. Additionally, with Anya treating Jimmy kindly throughout the game -- she was raped by a man who proceeds to become the new captain. They're trapped in space. Her mindset becomes incredibly depressed. She's kind to Jimmy because she's afraid of him and what he is capable of. Later, we see her talking to Swansea in the cockpit and crying. We can assume she told Swansea about Jimmy in this scene, and that's why Swansea treats Jimmy coldly from here on out. Something I realised myself on several watches -- it is also Jimmy's idea to spike the cocktail for Swansea with isopropyl & mouthwash, to knock him out. Noting that the sweetener helps hide the taste, even saying "he may wake up afterwards and not remember a thing". All of this information leads me to believe that Jimmy has done this before, might even be a serial offender. Of course that's up to interpretation, but clearly Jimmy is a selfish individual who takes whatever he wants whilst avoiding the consequences of his actions. also big agree that they should have just shot Jimmy at the beginning, or if they wanted to deal with things legally throw him in a cryopod until they can deal with him after the delivery. Anya should have never been forced to work&live alongside her attacker.
@@starstreamergirl I find the "spiked drink theory" very interesting ! It adds indeed a lot to the subtext ! And yeah I did miss the discussion between Swansea and Anya, so what you wrote makes sense, thanks !
@@starstreamergirl oh damn - i immediately grasped the interpersonal dynamics at play that would cause Anya to feel unwilling to be directly confrontational with Jimmy, but I totally missed the whole thing about it being Jimmy's idea to spike the cocktail for Swansea and the potential implications of his mind so quickly jumping to that idea... Unsettling!
People get so bothered by stuff these days. This was intensely graphic with some extremely heavy themes and awful characters, but I don’t understand getting actively upset by it. None of it was without artistic purpose and merit, none of it was flagrantly gratuitous, it was just a strongly affecting piece of art. Get over what offends you and get to the other side, there is interesting stuff over there
Maybe it’s semantics, but given the inciting incident (it’s not the captain crashing the ship), I believe it’s intentionally upsetting. Empathizing with victims of SA shouldn’t be anything but an extremely upsetting experience. Intense emotions get us thinking; get us changing our minds. That’s what the best art does.
MW Dev Here: Damn I didn't know Aggy even played horror games. I've been binging his Elden Ring stuff since the DLC came out. Really strange to see this on my feed. Thanks for playing!
Absolutely incredible game man!
Thanks for the game! Y'all did an amazing job!
I actually bought it because I watched the 1st few minutes of this very VOD :)
Incredible game man, so many things that were very well foreshadowed/laid out that I completely missed that became so clear upon this second viewing. Also it is absolutely mindboggling the way the game kept surprising me when it comes to just really cool sequences and like shifts in perspective/gameplay.
This game has one of the best written villains I've ever seen in games. Such a good work by the writers and developers
My favorite part was when Aggy picked up the ultrasound scanner, realized what he had to do, and just exclaimed, full volume “ah foh fucksake”.
A couple of things that I think Aggy and chat missed. Curly did not agree to crashing the ship, there's dialogue that Aggy skipped where curly asks jimmy "what did you do?" And on his way to the cockpit it explodes and he gets these horrible burns.
Also, yeah, Jimmy raped Anya and when he found she was pregnant he decided by himself to blow up the ship.
I know it ain't everyone's cup of tea but I'm impressed with the writers, really A+ quality, the story and dialogue.
Was it rape? The way Anya acted around Jimmy in the aftermath didn't jive with that, but maybe the detail was missed. I assumed it was consensual but he just reacted badly to the pregnancy. Overall it seemed like Jimmy was jealous of Curly being captain, and became obsessed with this idea that he had to prove himself to be more capable than him of taking care of the crew. Hence his very fucked up ideas about "fixing" their problems. Curly didn't want to be captain anymore, so Jimmy crashed his ship. Daisuke was insecure and cowardly, so he coerced him into doing something "heroic" that got him killed. Anya was depressed about the pregnancy, so (based on the last part) I gathered that he probably tried to induce an abortion against her will. All of these obviously had horrible outcomes, which is why Jimmy went completely insane, because he realized he's a horrible captain compared to Curly.
@@Morgannin The way that Anya is acting *does* make sense, when you consider that they're 4 (5 technically but Curly basically isn't a factor post-crash) people stuck alone together on a ship during an emergency situation where her assaulter is now also her superior officer. She doesn't really have the luxury of avoiding him or refusing to cooperate with him, so she's doing the next best option available to her, resorting to placating behaviour: a common tactic of victims of abuse who are not in a position to either escape their abuser or physically fight back against them. And ultimately she *still* feels trapped enough to resort to what she does in the end.
Her talking to Curly specifically about there not being locks on the sleeping quarters is imo pretty clearly flagging SA (someone came in against her wishes while she was sleeping)
@@estmachina You may be right. I missed the comment about locks, which does change the perspective a bit. I was going to acknowledge that she would not have a choice but to act "normal" around Jimmy when he's in charge, and that it would be sketchy for a single female to be put on a crew of four men, but it seemed weird to me that she wouldn't tell the captain that she was raped by one of the crew. In hindsight it is naive to assume she would, especially considering that Curly and Jimmy have been lifelong friends. So I'll concede that this seems like the intent of the writer.
I don't think it adds anything to the plot, though, if I'm being honest. It doesn't contribute to the other personality flaws of Jimmy that seem to be driving the plot, but instead is just an independently horrific thing he did to make the whole story even more miserable. He's a bad enough dude and his mistakes as interim captain were driven by his pitifully high regard for his leadership skills. Adding sexual assault to that list is just like saying "oh and he was a rapist too." Maybe I'm just reading the rest of the plot wrong, though, and the whole point is just that Jimmy was a shithead, rather than anything more nuanced than that.
@@Morgannin yeah, i agree that i don't think that it feels very plot necessary in this case, even if it's what the writer intended. It just seems like *another* reason why Jimmy is a selfish and untrustworthy person very badly suited for being in a position of responsibility over others, which I feel like the game already gives us plenty of even without it.
"Woman gets SA'd"/"Woman gets pregnant (especially in far from ideal situations)" are both tropes that show up a lot in media, especially horror, and I feel like it's very difficult to write them in a way that don't feel either unnecessary or gratuitous.
I think this game was *trying* to do something there, with some of the imagery around pregnancy/childbirth it had later on (with the whole vent monster part) but I'm not sure it *quite* got there for me personally at least
@@estmachina Gratuitous definitely feels like the case here. It's a trope that kind of needs to be focused on to make it work. Adding it on top of other themes means it doesn't really get the focus and gravity it kind of needs.
I've watched few ppl play this already but the passion in the voice acting here is actually unironically great lmao!
MW Dev here, sorry for such a mid game!
13:11 5 HOURS OF SLEEP AND NO CAFFIENE THIS PLACE IS EVIL😭
*Mouthwashing is messed up. Be mindful of the headspace you approach this game with.*
Truly one of the best horror experiences of recent memory. Wields very real and grounded themes and horror like razorblades. Will stick with me for a long time. Up there with Dead Space, SOMA, Alien Isolation, ANATOMY, this game is one of the greats, as minimal as the gameplay is. Incredible work by Wrong Organ, I'm looking forward to the next thing with their name on it.
In the scene where Swansea breaks into the cockpit, the static-scrambled item was the gun. Description said something like his hands wouldn’t stop shaking.
Such a good observation, I completely missed that the first time through
unmitigated masterpiece, swanseas monologue is actual poetry
Miserable for the sake of it is the best kind of horror when done well.
Love Aggy’s voice acting taking off 🙃
SPOILER ALERT:............The 2 best things about this game is: 1, how human the story feels despite the "dated" graphics and game mechanics. 2, we play as the unreliable narrator, or more specifically, we play as the villain which subsequently makes us as the player feel more involved with the story. As if we are physically there as well. Great writing all and all
Tfw its been a month since the las Stephen's Sausage Roll episode....🙏
Not the bingus spoiler 😭😭 I haven’t watched either of the vods yet.
saw it and jacksepticeye then gab smolders,sick game
I was so disturbed watching this during the live 🤮😵
idk why jimmy look like aggy for me if same age around 40 year ish old
Honestly, maybe I am dense or it is because english is not my native language, but I dont understand how it is said that Anya was raped by Jimmy. I understand that the comment about locks (or lack of) in the bedroom doors is pretty heavy, but I dont see why it was Jimmy who raped her, and not Curly.
I mean, Curly making it doesnt make a lot of sense (since she "felt" pretty "safe" with him, apparently), and maybe it is due to the hierarchic relationship between Jimmy and Anya, but she "seems" quite... nice with him ? More than neutral, I would say (even if not by a lot, tho).
And if Jimmy raped her, I really dont understand the conversation between Jimmy and face-revealed Curly, and why Jimmy shamed Curly about his lack of talent being captain. More precisely, I have no clue why Curly would not execute here and there Jimmy if he knew he raped Anya.
Sorry for the long message, and in hope someone could enlighten me.
EDIT : and was Jimmy and the horse trolling, symbolism or just anti-capitalism meaning ? (remind me a lot of Alien)
From my analysis/perspective on it, it is really clear that Jimmy raped Anya, theres the mention of locks, she specifically mentions both the locks and to keep the gun away from "him" when you play as Curly, why would she say that specifically to her assaulter if it was Curly? It is not Curly.
Curly was throughout the game a person who always tried to fix things, which is something we experience through Jimmy's eyes as well, but in a different way.
We see Curly trying to fix everyone else's problem in a selfless way. Through the dialogue between Jimmy and Curly in the cockpit he mentions having 'peaked' in his career and worry about if that's everything there is. It's the first and only time we see him actually open up about his own personal worries. During the last dialogue between Jimmy and Curly, when Curly's face is revealed, I think he finally realizes that he can't fix it all, and that same type of pressure we see throughout the game has been on him this whole time.
However with Jimmy's perspective he's trying to fix his own problems, in a selfish way. He's jealous about Curly's position, I don't know what Jimmy was planning in order to 'fix' his situation with Anya, I think he might've tried to just end it all in that moment, when you play as curly and approach the cockpit you can see Jimmy sitting and is panicking to an extent outside the cockpit, I think he in his own eyes would "fix it" by killing everyone (or just him) in a crash, essentially escaping the consequences, but he survived, and Curly was hurt. So he saw an opportunity of shifting the blame on Curly, he could be seen as the hero. He could "redeem" himself with it, assuming they all got to safety in the end.
And the part of Jimmy and the horse I believe was, from Jimmy's perspective, a fully a troll answer at the assessment, and I think some chatters (that I saw) took it a bit too literally. However there are always deeper meanings to things. It is essentially a troll answer with an anti capitalist symbolism to it as well. He rants about "we're the ones trying to escape" which is about escaping from the hell of being low-income/low-status people under capitalism, and the horse stuff is a symbol for that capitalism. But there is no 'sexual obsession' with cartoon horses from Jimmy
@@torrix_4595
I understand what you explained about the gun, ans it is a fair point, thank you.
But then, why wouldn't Anya 1) gives the gun immediately to Curly (so he may uses it or not against Jimmy) 2) didn't tell Swansea during these months before or after the crash ? Was she lacking trust in Swansea, or even Daisuke ? Swansea clearly and openly despised Jimmy.
I do think Jimmy raped Anya, nevertheless. I am just trying to understand how it is articulated in the game.
@@aurelionsolofficial
I'd like to jump in & add to the perspective! Anya is the only woman aboard a crew of men. Jimmy is the co-pilot, with Curly being the pilot - & curly has stated to Anya before that he and Jimmy are long-time friends. Their freighter ship is going to be in space for another 8 months. Anya likely wasn't in the best mindset because of these factors and probably felt some level of shame & fear regarding her situation.
When she did tell Curly she was pregnant, he acts confused and she says "I told you." Curly immediately understands she is talking about Jimmy. So, it seems she has told Curly, and his immediate reaction was to defend his friend rather than comfort Anya.
Additionally, with Anya treating Jimmy kindly throughout the game -- she was raped by a man who proceeds to become the new captain. They're trapped in space. Her mindset becomes incredibly depressed. She's kind to Jimmy because she's afraid of him and what he is capable of. Later, we see her talking to Swansea in the cockpit and crying. We can assume she told Swansea about Jimmy in this scene, and that's why Swansea treats Jimmy coldly from here on out.
Something I realised myself on several watches -- it is also Jimmy's idea to spike the cocktail for Swansea with isopropyl & mouthwash, to knock him out. Noting that the sweetener helps hide the taste, even saying "he may wake up afterwards and not remember a thing".
All of this information leads me to believe that Jimmy has done this before, might even be a serial offender. Of course that's up to interpretation, but clearly Jimmy is a selfish individual who takes whatever he wants whilst avoiding the consequences of his actions.
also big agree that they should have just shot Jimmy at the beginning, or if they wanted to deal with things legally throw him in a cryopod until they can deal with him after the delivery. Anya should have never been forced to work&live alongside her attacker.
@@starstreamergirl
I find the "spiked drink theory" very interesting ! It adds indeed a lot to the subtext !
And yeah I did miss the discussion between Swansea and Anya, so what you wrote makes sense, thanks !
@@starstreamergirl oh damn - i immediately grasped the interpersonal dynamics at play that would cause Anya to feel unwilling to be directly confrontational with Jimmy, but I totally missed the whole thing about it being Jimmy's idea to spike the cocktail for Swansea and the potential implications of his mind so quickly jumping to that idea... Unsettling!
People get so bothered by stuff these days. This was intensely graphic with some extremely heavy themes and awful characters, but I don’t understand getting actively upset by it. None of it was without artistic purpose and merit, none of it was flagrantly gratuitous, it was just a strongly affecting piece of art. Get over what offends you and get to the other side, there is interesting stuff over there
Maybe it’s semantics, but given the inciting incident (it’s not the captain crashing the ship), I believe it’s intentionally upsetting. Empathizing with victims of SA shouldn’t be anything but an extremely upsetting experience.
Intense emotions get us thinking; get us changing our minds. That’s what the best art does.