I'm kinda miffed, when I was 12 I won a Maxon distortion at a guitar convention, I forget the model. Sold it not long after because I couldn't figure it out, I had no idea what I was doing. I stayed playing a Line 6 SpiderJAM happily for 5 more years after then sold the rest... Wish I kept it since I've got back in the swing of things for the past 2 years :\
@@NewPraetorianBlues I’ll make u feel better. In the 70 s. Bought a gold top Les Paul. Hated the neck .like a baseball bat. I thought I was going to be stuck with stupid fat baseball neck guitar . That was so fat could barely play a cowboy chord on it .Sold it for what I paid. 350$ thought nobody will want this thing .now it’s probably worth a chunk of change now
The fact that someone would spend $5k+ on a drive pedal and only use it as a clean boost is absolute madness. Get a Tube Screamer or an SD-1 if you're gonna do that. The Centaur is a really good drive.
The fact someone would spend $5k on a drive pedal for ANY tonal application is absolute madness. It’s an investment at this point, nothing more. I paid £350 for mine I think.
I love the short mid week videos mixed with the long ones on Friday! Personally, I took a long road to discover that I’m not really into Klons. They sound very nasal to my ears.
I don't really do the Drive thing much, but I am thinking that I need to get a couple of Klons, if only to find out that they are redundant. Inquiring minds need to know.
@@hoboroadie4623 I highly recommend the Ryra Klone for the traditional Klone sound and a tumnus mini for a more modern Klon sound. The archer is also great.
Agree on the Klon - I have an old one and have owned some of the klones, and the only time it makes sense to me is in a band context when you need to pop in the mix. Even then, i prefer to stack it with something less honky for me to enjoy it. For home/practise, way too nasally. Obviously some great players have used them very successfully. But then I don’t really like Tubescreamers either - the OE Halcyon being the exception, at its least tubescreamerish settings.
I love the way our eyes influence what we hear! Using headphones all the way, I watched the video and thought I heard clear differences many times. After I'd given my ears a chance to forget, I ran it again "blind" while I read the comments... Result: I missed a lot of the changes I'd picked up on previously.
I am very pleased by these short very tight videos that are focused on pedals. In this case, each pedal sounds great and in a live setting in a bar or pub or auditorium with all the other elements that have an effect on sound, no one in the audience will hear a difference, nor will they care. And in a studio, your fingers and pick attack will have much more impact than which Klon or Klone is in the chain, and that is if you are using loops to isolate the pedals in your chain. Most folks don't Thank you as always Health and success to you both
I love it when Mick plays through a Fender amp. That DRRI & his Two-Rock are a beautiful match. The klons really make Dan's Tele even more of a beast. *Great* tones. Fender guitars+ Fender amp + Klon = winner! To my ears the "Jeff" sounded a bit "fatter". A little less of an upper-mid nose, puts back a little of the lower-mids.
J Rocket were making the KTR clones for bill Finnegan before a falling out so they know the inside of the con well and the theory of the designer behind it, they took the KTR and made it better to their mind
Being the guitar geek I am. I bought some 1n34a diodes and put them in a standard archer. I prefer it to the jb which has d9 diodes in. But I did have to pay to have them installed. The d9 doesn't clip quiet as hard. I also found the standard archer was way louder which will be because the standard diodes aren't germanium.
In the Jeff version I can hear a bit more of a lean into his ability to make a guitar sound like it’s talking. It is thinner sounding for a flat pick rock style of playing, but there’s something “human” in some of the notes you hit that your Klon and the regular Archer don’t have.
I always go with the Tumnus Deluxe for the closest Klon sounds, because it’s the only one with a 3 band EQ and a hard/soft clip toggle, so you can dial it in much closer than most Klon clones.
I think the Tumnus is the best as well. There's no true "klon" sound as they all have subtle differences (that i've played atleast). But for the general overall sound of Klons, the Tumnus has been the best i've played and heard in videos.
I was at the music store comparing regular vs Deluxe Tumnus and though the deluxe can do more, the regular just had THE sound right. I think it’s something in the bass that gets diluted in the Deluxe
@@danielbrunner5878the tumnus deluxe was the last favorite of the klones I've tried. The Q on the eq bands was just strange. Made the mids...nasally or cocked wah sounding. The regular Tumnus got it right!
Thank you. I enjoyed the shorter video format. While I ALWAYS enjoy your videos, I often don't have enough time to watch the longer ones. Great work as always!
I have a "The Jeff" on my board and its main purpose is to thicken up single coils. I am not a huge fan of strong mids, so the revelation that The Jeff is slightly less mids, earlier clipping, and enhanced highs [than a normal Klon, assuming Micks is "normal" ] leads me to believe I made the right choice. Also, love these "small bites" videos - much easier to digest in a busy day than the whole meal, but the whole meal is great when I have time.
@@godbyone I'd say yes to softer, but I haven't done a side-by-side comparison with a "normal" Klon. I tend to run the Klon as a thickener/boost (low gain) at unity and not as an overdrive.
I can’t comment on Klon comparisons, but I will say the JB is the best overdrive I’ve ever had the pleasure of owning. It has a focus and articulation that I’ve yet to experience elsewhere. Nice shootout, guys!
How’s everyone still feeling about this one? I recently became a little fatigued by the upper mid/overdrive characteristic of the Klone style circuit. I have an 808 and an ODR-1 on the way.
I do like this mid-week short sharp (and straight to the point) format for a bit of fun. Just the thing to keep us sane before we have more time on the weekend for a TPS tangent or two. I remember well that first Klon episode that began this shenanigans we call TPS, where does the time go? Thanks for all the years of content and inspiration you Leg-ends
Man what a coincidence staring me in the face on here today. My friend Jeff Archer started and ran the Mountain Bike Museum of Art & Technology (a huge museum of vintage bikes, advocacy, and charity events, and was sadly killed by a drunk driver while crossing the street a few years back. You never know when the universe is just going to remind you of your favorite people gone.
I know I've got a cold and listening through YT on a mobile phone, but I can't hear that much between them to make a sonic difference in a mix or live situation. Only consideration would be feel I suppose. Love this mid-week short format addition to the long form - cheers chaps!
I heard that the JB had that sharper top end. Which would be quite nice and cutting in an indie rock situation. But it adds a touch of brittleness, I don't exactly like, compared to the Klon, which is more pleasant. Maybe this is why lots of people (including me) really like the Wampler Tumnus. It's definitely a thicker sounding variation, rather than trying to be a klone. Agree with the comment about why not use the Klon as a killer overdrive. It's a nice boost, but so is an Xotic EP booster (for sharp), Keeley Katana (for smooth) or any number of relatively affordable pedals. But the Klon overdrive is it's own thing.
Thank You Thank You Thank You... I have been using my Archer for a clean boost since I got it. Leaving the overdrive for my magic green pedal. Played around with a higher overdrive setting on the Archer this afternoon and I love it. Love your channel.
It saved me from getting the JB! Sold my Centura quite a while ago but started missing it. Got a Silver Horse Mosky but still trying to dial good tones out of it (sounded pretty good in JHS comparison so I’m giving an extra effort). Thanks!
There's no difference that you couldn't make up for at the amp; certainly not enough to matter on a bar gig. Running a big amp wide open might reveal something we don't hear here, but obviously even if so, there's not four thousand dollars' worth of difference.
My friend s family owned a huge music store. . I asked what did🎉 he think of Jimmy page s. Special pick up pull and pull switch s tone volume. Etc And should I get it. He goes you will like it. But at a club. Only you and me would probably notice that I pulled up on volume knob or tone .
The closes tthing I had come across to the silver nonhorsie Klon I had was the Archer Jeff Mod. Never thought about selling it until I tried a Decibelics. Sold off the Klon and did a much appreciated kitchen update with the cash and haven't looked back
Never tried the silver one. But, I run a gold Archer into my Marshall. Tried different screamers, and others. My gold Archer hasn’t left my pedal board.
I bought the Jeff for the same reason, for super mids I use my plumes and the Jeff for a clearer boost in gain. All of them into a rattler for super distortion
Love these short format videos - a pleasant surprise between VCQ and Friday shows! I've just begun exploring Klon sounds via a Stewmac Ghost Drive kit build that a friend recently assembled for me. So far, so good!
I own a gold long tail Klon and also the JRockett JB Archer. I love them both. I use the Klon to add that little extra sparkle to an already great sounding amp. The JB I find is a little more usable in more scenarios. I love them both. The Klon however is the best sounding overdrive pedal I have ever used.
Interesting what you said about 'more screamer like'. I run a TS808 into a silver Archer for the drive section. You can use either to shape the tone and then drive with the other. I only use both for drive when using a 1978 strat because it's pups are thin enough to use crazy drive without the flub
The JB doesn’t seem worth it to me compared to the regular Archer. I’ve found I’m kinda not a Klon guy, but this video was super interesting. Well done!
Love shows like this. Thanks Gents. J Rocket makes nice pedals. I have The Lenny. I got a Tumnus instead of the Archer after a previous TPS episode. But now I want to try The Jeff and the Archer.
Possible explanations of the Jeff having more top end and thinner mids perhaps has to do with his playing style. He was known to set up his amplifiers with more top end, so it would be just the right with the guitar volume brought down during normal playing and you get more midrange from your guitar when you dial back the volume knob. So this pedal would make perfect sense for a player that rides his volume knob a lot, only maxing it out during brief solos
Jeff's Klon always sounded thinner than others to me, pretty sure he had it modded to roll some mids out of his tone stack, probably worked really well with the treble bleed circuit in his combined pickup selections and his prodigious use of both volume and tone knobs on his guitar. Jeff always had this tone that cut but remained creamy despite all of the bucket loads of distortion. Your Klon is something of a conundrum to me, I have yet to hear a klon as thick as yours even through low output pickups. The Jeff sounds a bit like my switchable boost that swaps between 3 different boost circuits and can combine up to 2 of them at once, when I stack the Tube Screamer circuit with the LED diode circuit I get this mid forward sound with tons of cut and sizzle but not as thick and round of a sound as say an Analog Man and definitely not as warm as your Klon. I need to save some cash it seems, The Jeff is right up my alley and my JHS haunting Mids should get me what need when I want to go extra thick in the mids.
Great episode guys. The original standard silver Archer still sound great. If you guys want to try a true really really cool sounding Klon variant, check the CKK SHXC pedal. It kicked my silver Archer out of my board.
Oh joy, another love fest for Mick's pedal of all pedals. Last week we had the greatest tube screamer of all time compared to a noble screamer. Really, tell me the relevance of any of this? Am I supposed to save my pennies in the hopes they make a clone of Micks Klon or tube screamer? I shall now exit stage right as this show has jumped the shark. Feel free to enjoy That Pedal Show, home of Mick's unobtainium gear you can't have.
You’re missing the point. The question is “does it sound like…” You are substituting the question “Is it better than…” In the Screamer video, Dan’s fave was the Noble Screamer. In the Klon video, Dan’s fave was the Jeff. Did you miss that part? To answer the question, the relevant part is in asking what YOU like the best. Cheers!
Bought the standard archer after watching your old vid. Never had a chance to smell an original Klon to tell the difference. Might give it a shot if I win the lottery (unlikely as I don't buy a ticket). Its going back on the board tomorrow!
I'm surprised how different each pedal's fundamental sound is. I have a KTR that I adore - started out using it as a clean boost but now it is on all the time as I love the kick in the mids. My '67 Bassman appreciates the extra mids. Cool, short video. 👍
Did you guys see The Studio Rats episode on the Fender Concert amp. I thought it sounded incredible but I had never heard of it before. Do you guys have any experience with it? And why does it not get more recognition?
Had my jb archer for a while and it beats any overdrive I compare it to EXCEPT I never turn the gain lower than 2 o’clock . I think it really shines between 2-3 and can be cleaned up beautifully with volume knob
Great, as always. Maybe a silicon vs germanium vs LED clipping demo would lend itself to the short format. Plenty of pedals give you this choice. Personally I prefer a mix of green and blue LEDs (or even better, no diodes at all). I like more headroom and less compression generally.
I own a genuine Klon and love that tone, but always in search for something smaller for my actual gig board. From this video, I still prefer the genuine Klon with single coils, though, the regular Archer is damn close, but once you switched to humbuckers, MAN the Jeff model came alive! It’s a winner!
I have a Tumnus deluxe. In the Klon zone. On its own it’s thin sounding. But before a nobels odr mini and it sweetens the sound with some tasty upper. mids.
I know I ruined my hearing a long time ago, but I just can't tell them apart. We agonise about these things and then put them in a signal chain, then in a corner of a pub with a drummer at your now permanently deaf left ear, we bash into our set without the punters even noticing when we get the verses around the wrong way. And yet we nit-pick about whether this pedal resembles that one. And I just can't hear any difference. Maybe I've gotten too old for this. Love it tho. And I'm still here, and I'm still into it all. I must be mad. Jeff Beck at Ronnie Scott's with the world riveted to every nuance and every subtlety, with audience silence as if they were in the presence of The Pope, is not the same as an amateur band playing at the Kings Arms on a Tuesday evening on a two-for-one burger night. We are a funny lot. We really are. I love you guys. Thanks for making me feel I am not alone. I don't know whether to go get my hearing looked at or get my head looked at.
There’s wisdom in this Robert and it is part of the motivation for doing this stuff. Hopefully we can lay it out plainly like this that agonising over this or that Tube Screamer etc is a total waste of time… even though we’ve all done it. As you allude in the Jeffers example, ALL that matters is a connection. Now of course, what inspires you to connect is a hair’s width away from what doesn’t. But that experience may be entirely different from the next person. And then back to the naval gazing! Hahahah!
@@ThatPedalShow "what inspires you to connect is a hair’s width away from what doesn’t. ". That's almost the answer to the whole universe and everything in it right there. And now I feel connected.
I like this format a lot! Much more succinct comparisons without the deep dive into the history which you’ve already covered, generally. (Maybe just adding a link to relevant previous videos is enough for the new listeners?)
Great vid. If you really wanted to compare these "apples to apples" you could "calibrate" them against each other. small differences in the way the knobs were mounted or manufacturing variables could result in minor differences even though the knobs might look like they were set at the same level. that's really minor though, they all sound great.
A lot of people think they need a modded Tubescreamer when they don't like how much the TS fucks up their base tone - a lot of the time, a Klon circuit is what they really need.
The best sounding Klon I ever heard is Harby Pedals Centauri. It supposedly uses the original parts that are indeed listed out on the site. It is built into a standard Hammond B box. The closer is the price. $169.00 USD
They all sound great but There's no difference in the Archers and really no difference between them and the Klon. They can all be tweaked. What's more important are the notes you're playing. Thanks guys for proving this.
I mean…All three sound pretty darn close to me🤷♂️heard more difference with the 335 tho. love watching u guys work tho! Agree about klons being great driven…mine kicks ass driven…in fact wasnt the klon designed to do its “thing” after 12 O Klok?
Loved that. This is a much better format for me. Thanks guys. Having watched it back at least twice, I think it would have been an idea to use one amp, or the other. Most, (so at least 51%), don't use two amps on stage
Hmmm. TBH, I'm thinking any differences could be due to component tolerances, either in the original Klons, or in the Archers. More likely in the originals, as they were hand made. Either way, I'd be inclined to go for both the J Rocketts', the regular for singlecoils, the Jeff for HB's...
Great little demo. Would love to hear a dual pedal shootout comparing the originals to a dual equivalent, such as the Klon and Marshall bluesbreaker up against the Nordvang 83, for example, or Duellist vs ts etc, but I guess that will have to wait on the 83 or Klon fatigue is going to set in fast. Maybe Nordvangs new expanded ts vs the Origin effects ts vs an original TS10 and 808?
This is an interesting comparison! I have an early Jeff archer that has someone’s signature with sharpie on the bottom (not Jeff’s haha). It was my first klon style pedal. It is a tight feeling pedal with a honky mid range, over all pretty thick. Not very fun to play on its own but it kills as a lead boost into other drives for tons of mids and more gain. I have another for a 2nd board from last year. That one sounds like it does in this video. Brighter, more jangly, different compression/feels easier to play. less mids than the older one. I really like both for different things. Seems J Rockett is tweaking things in their pedals over the years!
maybe something is being lost in youtube land, but this one is basically three near identical pedals. the middle J rocket is to me through decent headphone sounding the same as the klon, again i know TPS dont like doing blind shoot outs but i really do think if you remove the visual bias it would be more fun, i get a QC in and copy the Klon i do think there might be a suprise on the cards. love Mick and Dan but kinda feel they will always favour vintage gear over anything modern at the point
Dan’s fave was the JB Archer. And when we did the Screamers, his fave was the Noble Screamer. So we’ll trade our visual bias for your motivated cognition about what we think. :0) And as we said, and always say… it’s about context. I don’t use the Klon all the time. I’ve been using the Nordvang just recently… and it too doesn’t sound like my Klon. But I still love it!
@@ThatPedalShow well said, but id still love for you to do a show where you dont know whats the mordern or OG think it just be a cool thing. like i said love the show guys and take what i say with a pinch of salt as im a filthy bassist lol
I've always liked the Klon - similar to KoT - where it just does something so you miss it when it's not there. That said my KoT now sounds a little dark to my ears so I've switched it out for a KTR Klon.
@@ThatPedalShowthanks for the response! That’s very interesting, great to know that such great ‘klones’ exist without having to sell a kidney for the original 😂 Big fan of the show, thanks Gents!
Admittedly I haven't sampled a lot of Klones, and definitely not the J Rockett stuff, but one thing that made the difference for me when landing on a real Klon (KTR) beyond the sound of the pedal was the "feel under the fingers"; there's a subtle compression in the Klon, both clean and with some drive dialed in that I can't explain other than it feels good to play and I notice differences in when trying Klones (such as the Wildwood Mjolnir). Do you recall anything in that area from making this video, in regards to that aspect of the pedals?
I own a wampler tumnus that i love. Archer is one of the greatest klon clone, but the jb sounds almost like an ehx soul food (which i had for years and loved it!), little more hairy than an original klon...
Quality headphones and I can’t hear any difference at all. I dig the sound of them with the Tele too, especially. I’m partial to middy Marshall tones tho! Edit: the 335 sounded killer with it too.
Wow, this video is lack time travel back to the olden days when it was a default expectation that your audience wasn't aware of all the details in pedal chain. I'm sure there's a ton of new faces in the past years that might not be as clear on what all the gadgets are since the last explanation so good on you guys making a quick brief about demoing them. Do you guys think it could sound like someone else's Klon? Would you think there's a time factor to count in, like improved tolerances, evolved parts?
I just don’t get it…it sounds bad to me I’ve tried to get along with these pedals and sold my klon too early. I keep trying the klon klones. I found though a Marshall that’s already gained up these pedals are money. Just gives it more girth and thickness. But though a clean-ish fender, yuck! Not as bad as a tube screamer (also a good Marshall boost imo) but I just get it. The Jeff archer seems a little more friendly into a cleaner fender style amp? And both the klon and the ts work better for me with humbuckers.
They all sound really good I think, the big one is a little thicker sounding. I am curious about the feel of the big one compared to the feel of the others. I've heard the original Klons feel really great. There is a pedal builder from Indonesia "Apollo Approved'. He makes a Klon style overdrive called the Unicorn which feels amazing like that.
They all sit in the same area with some differences...which are minor. I have a J Rockett Ikon which I like a lot, more medium gain(which is right for me).
There are differences, but I don't think it's so great that at a loud rocking gig it'd make a hapeth of difference. All sound great though but. Love mine through a JMP super lead mk ii 50 watter.
The Jeff is cleaner then the Klon and does not sound close the Archer sounds much closer but I'm sure what I'm hearing compressed over TH-cam isn't what it's like in room. As a overdrive that Klon kills
Hi, guys, Nice sounding session as usual ... Although, i'm a bit depressed, because i wanted to buy a PLAY LOUD T-Shirt, and it seems to be discountinued ... Please, make those back, what's the point playing guitar if it isn't loud !
The JB is a blatant obvious marketing ploy by J Rockett to sell more silver Archer’s…. That’s it, very little difference at all, just a higher price tag. I’ve owned all 4. The JB, Silver Archer, IKon and an original Centaur same non horsie as Mick’s. I ordered it from Bill when you had to call the Klon-Siberia 666 number found in Vintage Guitar Mag. I was 17 years old, now 40. They all sound great. I prefer the standard silver archer of the 4 in a rig.
Nice video, but why oh why oh why not make a round of playing them into a dirty Marshall? Like, you know, Jeff Beck did (yes, he played them into clean amps too).
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I agree so much with Noel. Taking a second to show the amps and their settings is a step up.
I won a Jeff Archer in a competition. It's the only thing ive ever won and its been on my board for the last 18 months. Its awesome.
I have 2 becks. One regular. I think beck has softer drive. Cleaner. Overall. What do u think ?
I'm kinda miffed, when I was 12 I won a Maxon distortion at a guitar convention, I forget the model. Sold it not long after because I couldn't figure it out, I had no idea what I was doing. I stayed playing a Line 6 SpiderJAM happily for 5 more years after then sold the rest... Wish I kept it since I've got back in the swing of things for the past 2 years :\
@@NewPraetorianBlues I’ll make u feel better.
In the 70 s. Bought a gold top Les Paul. Hated the neck .like a baseball bat. I thought I was going to be stuck with stupid fat baseball neck guitar . That was so fat could barely play a cowboy chord on it .Sold it for what I paid. 350$ thought nobody will want this thing .now it’s probably worth a chunk of change now
The fact that someone would spend $5k+ on a drive pedal and only use it as a clean boost is absolute madness. Get a Tube Screamer or an SD-1 if you're gonna do that. The Centaur is a really good drive.
The fact someone would spend $5k on a drive pedal for ANY tonal application is absolute madness. It’s an investment at this point, nothing more. I paid £350 for mine I think.
I love the short mid week videos mixed with the long ones on Friday! Personally, I took a long road to discover that I’m not really into Klons. They sound very nasal to my ears.
Same as Dan!
@@ThatPedalShowI thought that was just the accent.
I don't really do the Drive thing much, but I am thinking that I need to get a couple of Klons, if only to find out that they are redundant. Inquiring minds need to know.
@@hoboroadie4623 I highly recommend the Ryra Klone for the traditional Klone sound and a tumnus mini for a more modern Klon sound. The archer is also great.
Agree on the Klon - I have an old one and have owned some of the klones, and the only time it makes sense to me is in a band context when you need to pop in the mix. Even then, i prefer to stack it with something less honky for me to enjoy it. For home/practise, way too nasally. Obviously some great players have used them very successfully. But then I don’t really like Tubescreamers either - the OE Halcyon being the exception, at its least tubescreamerish settings.
Your klon is a special beast, Mick. Love you guys are mixing in the shorter format for stuff like this
Thank you! We'll ask some more interesting questions as time goes on. Hahaha. Even I'm sick of comparing Klons. Gagaga!
@@ThatPedalShowLove this format and the short duration to keep things lively!
Loving this format, and these shorter videos that actually have pedals in them! Marvelous! 🎉 Cheers, Gents!
I love the way our eyes influence what we hear! Using headphones all the way, I watched the video and thought I heard clear differences many times. After I'd given my ears a chance to forget, I ran it again "blind" while I read the comments... Result: I missed a lot of the changes I'd picked up on previously.
I am very pleased by these short very tight videos that are focused on pedals. In this case, each pedal sounds great and in a live setting in a bar or pub or auditorium with all the other elements that have an effect on sound, no one in the audience will hear a difference, nor will they care. And in a studio, your fingers and pick attack will have much more impact than which Klon or Klone is in the chain, and that is if you are using loops to isolate the pedals in your chain. Most folks don't Thank you as always Health and success to you both
A 335 and a klon (or klon style pedal) is truely something magical 👌
the controllable feedback from this combo... 🥵
I love it when Mick plays through a Fender amp. That DRRI & his Two-Rock are a beautiful match. The klons really make Dan's Tele even more of a beast. *Great* tones. Fender guitars+ Fender amp + Klon = winner!
To my ears the "Jeff" sounded a bit "fatter". A little less of an upper-mid nose, puts back a little of the lower-mids.
J Rocket were making the KTR clones for bill Finnegan before a falling out so they know the inside of the con well and the theory of the designer behind it, they took the KTR and made it better to their mind
My Jeff archer. Is a tad cleaner than a klon. I think. Jeff wanted a tad. Cleaner.
Being the guitar geek I am. I bought some 1n34a diodes and put them in a standard archer. I prefer it to the jb which has d9 diodes in. But I did have to pay to have them installed. The d9 doesn't clip quiet as hard. I also found the standard archer was way louder which will be because the standard diodes aren't germanium.
In the Jeff version I can hear a bit more of a lean into his ability to make a guitar sound like it’s talking. It is thinner sounding for a flat pick rock style of playing, but there’s something “human” in some of the notes you hit that your Klon and the regular Archer don’t have.
I always go with the Tumnus Deluxe for the closest Klon sounds, because it’s the only one with a 3 band EQ and a hard/soft clip toggle, so you can dial it in much closer than most Klon clones.
I think the Tumnus is the best as well. There's no true "klon" sound as they all have subtle differences (that i've played atleast). But for the general overall sound of Klons, the Tumnus has been the best i've played and heard in videos.
I love my tumnus
Wampler makes good stuff. 👍🏻
Origin Effects Halcony gold!
I was at the music store comparing regular vs Deluxe Tumnus and though the deluxe can do more, the regular just had THE sound right. I think it’s something in the bass that gets diluted in the Deluxe
@@danielbrunner5878the tumnus deluxe was the last favorite of the klones I've tried. The Q on the eq bands was just strange. Made the mids...nasally or cocked wah sounding. The regular Tumnus got it right!
Thank you. I enjoyed the shorter video format. While I ALWAYS enjoy your videos, I often don't have enough time to watch the longer ones. Great work as always!
I like that short&focused look at a smaller topic without giving up the TPS vibe!
I have a "The Jeff" on my board and its main purpose is to thicken up single coils. I am not a huge fan of strong mids, so the revelation that The Jeff is slightly less mids, earlier clipping, and enhanced highs [than a normal Klon, assuming Micks is "normal" ] leads me to believe I made the right choice.
Also, love these "small bites" videos - much easier to digest in a busy day than the whole meal, but the whole meal is great when I have time.
I have both. 2Jeff and 1 regular. I noticed on Jeff’s. The gain was. Softer overall on both were tad cleaner. Did u noticed that ?
@@godbyone I'd say yes to softer, but I haven't done a side-by-side comparison with a "normal" Klon. I tend to run the Klon as a thickener/boost (low gain) at unity and not as an overdrive.
Love mine, if it’s enough for JB & JM then it’s enough for me. Thank you guys good job as always.
I can’t comment on Klon comparisons, but I will say the JB is the best overdrive I’ve ever had the pleasure of owning. It has a focus and articulation that I’ve yet to experience elsewhere. Nice shootout, guys!
I agree. I’ve tried to take it off my board multiple times but it always sounds better than any other od pedal
What’s odd. It’s way better. Than the the klon Ktr s. But those are super high dollar. And. Jeff beck mod is around 300$
How’s everyone still feeling about this one? I recently became a little fatigued by the upper mid/overdrive characteristic of the Klone style circuit. I have an 808 and an ODR-1 on the way.
I love me a straightforward OD pedal comparison TPS vid. Thank you for your time gentlemen. Very enjoyable.
Nice to begin a morning here in the states with a TPS video.
I do like this mid-week short sharp (and straight to the point) format for a bit of fun. Just the thing to keep us sane before we have more time on the weekend for a TPS tangent or two.
I remember well that first Klon episode that began this shenanigans we call TPS, where does the time go? Thanks for all the years of content and inspiration you Leg-ends
Man what a coincidence staring me in the face on here today. My friend Jeff Archer started and ran the Mountain Bike Museum of Art & Technology (a huge museum of vintage bikes, advocacy, and charity events, and was sadly killed by a drunk driver while crossing the street a few years back. You never know when the universe is just going to remind you of your favorite people gone.
Ah man, sorry to hear about your friend. It’s a reminder to live it, people.
I know I've got a cold and listening through YT on a mobile phone, but I can't hear that much between them to make a sonic difference in a mix or live situation. Only consideration would be feel I suppose. Love this mid-week short format addition to the long form - cheers chaps!
I heard that the JB had that sharper top end. Which would be quite nice and cutting in an indie rock situation. But it adds a touch of brittleness, I don't exactly like, compared to the Klon, which is more pleasant. Maybe this is why lots of people (including me) really like the Wampler Tumnus. It's definitely a thicker sounding variation, rather than trying to be a klone. Agree with the comment about why not use the Klon as a killer overdrive. It's a nice boost, but so is an Xotic EP booster (for sharp), Keeley Katana (for smooth) or any number of relatively affordable pedals. But the Klon overdrive is it's own thing.
Thank You Thank You Thank You... I have been using my Archer for a clean boost since I got it. Leaving the overdrive for my magic green pedal. Played around with a higher overdrive setting on the Archer this afternoon and I love it. Love your channel.
The Jeff is my pick, it just sounds airy and crisp, which is my idealized Klon style tone.
It saved me from getting the JB! Sold my Centura quite a while ago but started missing it. Got a Silver Horse Mosky but still trying to dial good tones out of it (sounded pretty good in JHS comparison so I’m giving an extra effort). Thanks!
There's no difference that you couldn't make up for at the amp; certainly not enough to matter on a bar gig. Running a big amp wide open might reveal something we don't hear here, but obviously even if so, there's not four thousand dollars' worth of difference.
Would be hard to find anyone to disagree with that!
My friend s family owned a huge music store. . I asked what did🎉 he think of Jimmy page s. Special pick up pull and pull switch s tone volume. Etc And should I get it. He goes you will like it. But at a club. Only you and me would probably notice that I pulled up on volume knob or tone .
They all sound great in their own right. I love these short formats mid-week. Great job Dan and Mick. Kudos..!
The closes tthing I had come across to the silver nonhorsie Klon I had was the Archer Jeff Mod. Never thought about selling it until I tried a Decibelics. Sold off the Klon and did a much appreciated kitchen update with the cash and haven't looked back
Never tried the silver one. But, I run a gold Archer into my Marshall. Tried different screamers, and others. My gold Archer hasn’t left my pedal board.
I bought the Jeff for the same reason, for super mids I use my plumes and the Jeff for a clearer boost in gain. All of them into a rattler for super distortion
Love these short format videos - a pleasant surprise between VCQ and Friday shows!
I've just begun exploring Klon sounds via a Stewmac Ghost Drive kit build that a friend recently assembled for me. So far, so good!
I own a gold long tail Klon and also the JRockett JB Archer. I love them both. I use the Klon to add that little extra sparkle to an already great sounding amp. The JB I find is a little more usable in more scenarios. I love them both. The Klon however is the best sounding overdrive pedal I have ever used.
Interesting what you said about 'more screamer like'. I run a TS808 into a silver Archer for the drive section. You can use either to shape the tone and then drive with the other. I only use both for drive when using a 1978 strat because it's pups are thin enough to use crazy drive without the flub
The JB doesn’t seem worth it to me compared to the regular Archer. I’ve found I’m kinda not a Klon guy, but this video was super interesting. Well done!
I dunno my Keely modded tube screamer TS808 smokes the Klon.
Just bought The Archer second hand 130 euros. Not yet have had time properly run it out loud, will do that tomorrow. Waiting for it!
Congratts Micks, your Klon is piece of art. None of those sounds that Articulate and open.
The used market price is for another debate
Love shows like this. Thanks Gents. J Rocket makes nice pedals. I have The Lenny. I got a Tumnus instead of the Archer after a previous TPS episode. But now I want to try The Jeff and the Archer.
Possible explanations of the Jeff having more top end and thinner mids perhaps has to do with his playing style. He was known to set up his amplifiers with more top end, so it would be just the right with the guitar volume brought down during normal playing and you get more midrange from your guitar when you dial back the volume knob. So this pedal would make perfect sense for a player that rides his volume knob a lot, only maxing it out during brief solos
No arguments there!
All three are superb’ but the Klon just has that slightly thicker and smoother tone’… fantastic video guys’ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
oooh klon thicker and more velvety vs the klones. I’d choose the less midrangey, but if you want the klon - the klones aren’t doing it quite.
Jeff's Klon always sounded thinner than others to me, pretty sure he had it modded to roll some mids out of his tone stack, probably worked really well with the treble bleed circuit in his combined pickup selections and his prodigious use of both volume and tone knobs on his guitar. Jeff always had this tone that cut but remained creamy despite all of the bucket loads of distortion. Your Klon is something of a conundrum to me, I have yet to hear a klon as thick as yours even through low output pickups. The Jeff sounds a bit like my switchable boost that swaps between 3 different boost circuits and can combine up to 2 of them at once, when I stack the Tube Screamer circuit with the LED diode circuit I get this mid forward sound with tons of cut and sizzle but not as thick and round of a sound as say an Analog Man and definitely not as warm as your Klon. I need to save some cash it seems, The Jeff is right up my alley and my JHS haunting Mids should get me what need when I want to go extra thick in the mids.
Great episode guys. The original standard silver Archer still sound great. If you guys want to try a true really really cool sounding Klon variant, check the CKK SHXC pedal. It kicked my silver Archer out of my board.
3:07 ROCK! 💪
To my eats, the Jeff sounded best with the humbuckers with a nice upper mid, whereas the Archer was best with single coils!
Oh joy, another love fest for Mick's pedal of all pedals. Last week we had the greatest tube screamer of all time compared to a noble screamer. Really, tell me the relevance of any of this? Am I supposed to save my pennies in the hopes they make a clone of Micks Klon or tube screamer? I shall now exit stage right as this show has jumped the shark. Feel free to enjoy That Pedal Show, home of Mick's unobtainium gear you can't have.
You’re missing the point. The question is “does it sound like…” You are substituting the question “Is it better than…” In the Screamer video, Dan’s fave was the Noble Screamer. In the Klon video, Dan’s fave was the Jeff. Did you miss that part? To answer the question, the relevant part is in asking what YOU like the best. Cheers!
Bought the standard archer after watching your old vid. Never had a chance to smell an original Klon to tell the difference. Might give it a shot if I win the lottery (unlikely as I don't buy a ticket). Its going back on the board tomorrow!
The klon style is great for the clean boosty stuff, but fire when you push a crunchy marshall over the cliff
I'm surprised how different each pedal's fundamental sound is.
I have a KTR that I adore - started out using it as a clean boost but now it is on all the time as I love the kick in the mids. My '67 Bassman appreciates the extra mids.
Cool, short video. 👍
Did you guys see The Studio Rats episode on the Fender Concert amp. I thought it sounded incredible but I had never heard of it before. Do you guys have any experience with it? And why does it not get more recognition?
Always enjoy Dan's 'sizzle' hand gesture 😂
Had my jb archer for a while and it beats any overdrive I compare it to EXCEPT I never turn the gain lower than 2 o’clock . I think it really shines between 2-3 and can be cleaned up beautifully with volume knob
Great, as always. Maybe a silicon vs germanium vs LED clipping demo would lend itself to the short format. Plenty of pedals give you this choice. Personally I prefer a mix of green and blue LEDs (or even better, no diodes at all). I like more headroom and less compression generally.
I own a genuine Klon and love that tone, but always in search for something smaller for my actual gig board. From this video, I still prefer the genuine Klon with single coils, though, the regular Archer is damn close, but once you switched to humbuckers, MAN the Jeff model came alive! It’s a winner!
I have a Tumnus deluxe. In the Klon zone. On its own it’s thin sounding. But before a nobels odr mini and it sweetens the sound with some tasty upper. mids.
I know I ruined my hearing a long time ago, but I just can't tell them apart. We agonise about these things and then put them in a signal chain, then in a corner of a pub with a drummer at your now permanently deaf left ear, we bash into our set without the punters even noticing when we get the verses around the wrong way. And yet we nit-pick about whether this pedal resembles that one. And I just can't hear any difference. Maybe I've gotten too old for this. Love it tho. And I'm still here, and I'm still into it all. I must be mad. Jeff Beck at Ronnie Scott's with the world riveted to every nuance and every subtlety, with audience silence as if they were in the presence of The Pope, is not the same as an amateur band playing at the Kings Arms on a Tuesday evening on a two-for-one burger night. We are a funny lot. We really are. I love you guys. Thanks for making me feel I am not alone. I don't know whether to go get my hearing looked at or get my head looked at.
There’s wisdom in this Robert and it is part of the motivation for doing this stuff. Hopefully we can lay it out plainly like this that agonising over this or that Tube Screamer etc is a total waste of time… even though we’ve all done it. As you allude in the Jeffers example, ALL that matters is a connection. Now of course, what inspires you to connect is a hair’s width away from what doesn’t. But that experience may be entirely different from the next person. And then back to the naval gazing! Hahahah!
@@ThatPedalShow "what inspires you to connect is a hair’s width away from what doesn’t. ". That's almost the answer to the whole universe and everything in it right there. And now I feel connected.
I like this format a lot! Much more succinct comparisons without the deep dive into the history which you’ve already covered, generally.
(Maybe just adding a link to relevant previous videos is enough for the new listeners?)
Great vid. If you really wanted to compare these "apples to apples" you could "calibrate" them against each other. small differences in the way the knobs were mounted or manufacturing variables could result in minor differences even though the knobs might look like they were set at the same level. that's really minor though, they all sound great.
A lot of people think they need a modded Tubescreamer when they don't like how much the TS fucks up their base tone - a lot of the time, a Klon circuit is what they really need.
The best sounding Klon I ever heard is Harby Pedals Centauri. It supposedly uses the original parts that are indeed listed out on the site. It is built into a standard Hammond B box. The closer is the price. $169.00 USD
They all sound great but There's no difference in the Archers and really no difference between them and the Klon. They can all be tweaked. What's more important are the notes you're playing. Thanks guys for proving this.
I mean…All three sound pretty darn close to me🤷♂️heard more difference with the 335 tho. love watching u guys work tho! Agree about klons being great driven…mine kicks ass driven…in fact wasnt the klon designed to do its “thing” after 12 O Klok?
Loved that. This is a much better format for me. Thanks guys.
Having watched it back at least twice, I think it would have been an idea to use one amp, or the other. Most, (so at least 51%), don't use two amps on stage
agreed
OG for me closely followed by the JB
Would love to hear a comparison between the horsey and the warm audio centavo?
Great as always gentlemen
It’s a this point that I wish to point out that it’s likely that Mr Marr and Mr G will probably watch this. Insane.
Hmmm. TBH, I'm thinking any differences could be due to component tolerances, either in the original Klons, or in the Archers. More likely in the originals, as they were hand made. Either way, I'd be inclined to go for both the J Rocketts', the regular for singlecoils, the Jeff for HB's...
Nice! No arguments here, cheers!
The top end of the Klon is much more contoured and worn in like a glove but it still has bite. The others do not have the body of the Klon.
Great little demo. Would love to hear a dual pedal shootout comparing the originals to a dual equivalent, such as the Klon and Marshall bluesbreaker up against the Nordvang 83, for example, or Duellist vs ts etc, but I guess that will have to wait on the 83 or Klon fatigue is going to set in fast. Maybe Nordvangs new expanded ts vs the Origin effects ts vs an original TS10 and 808?
This is an interesting comparison! I have an early Jeff archer that has someone’s signature with sharpie on the bottom (not Jeff’s haha). It was my first klon style pedal. It is a tight feeling pedal with a honky mid range, over all pretty thick. Not very fun to play on its own but it kills as a lead boost into other drives for tons of mids and more gain.
I have another for a 2nd board from last year. That one sounds like it does in this video. Brighter, more jangly, different compression/feels easier to play. less mids than the older one. I really like both for different things.
Seems J Rockett is tweaking things in their pedals over the years!
maybe something is being lost in youtube land, but this one is basically three near identical pedals.
the middle J rocket is to me through decent headphone sounding the same as the klon, again i know TPS dont like doing blind shoot outs but i really do think if you remove the visual bias it would be more fun, i get a QC in and copy the Klon i do think there might be a suprise on the cards.
love Mick and Dan but kinda feel they will always favour vintage gear over anything modern at the point
Dan’s fave was the JB Archer. And when we did the Screamers, his fave was the Noble Screamer. So we’ll trade our visual bias for your motivated cognition about what we think. :0) And as we said, and always say… it’s about context. I don’t use the Klon all the time. I’ve been using the Nordvang just recently… and it too doesn’t sound like my Klon. But I still love it!
@@ThatPedalShow well said, but id still love for you to do a show where you dont know whats the mordern or OG think it just be a cool thing. like i said love the show guys and take what i say with a pinch of salt as im a filthy bassist lol
I've always liked the Klon - similar to KoT - where it just does something so you miss it when it's not there. That said my KoT now sounds a little dark to my ears so I've switched it out for a KTR Klon.
How do you think the RYRA Klone would stack up against the Centaur and “The Jeff” Archer??? Loving these videos!
Our RYRA sounds all but indistinguishable from my Klon,
@@ThatPedalShowthanks for the response! That’s very interesting, great to know that such great ‘klones’ exist without having to sell a kidney for the original 😂
Big fan of the show, thanks Gents!
Admittedly I haven't sampled a lot of Klones, and definitely not the J Rockett stuff, but one thing that made the difference for me when landing on a real Klon (KTR) beyond the sound of the pedal was the "feel under the fingers"; there's a subtle compression in the Klon, both clean and with some drive dialed in that I can't explain other than it feels good to play and I notice differences in when trying Klones (such as the Wildwood Mjolnir). Do you recall anything in that area from making this video, in regards to that aspect of the pedals?
I have had a silver archer since they came out and it does sound good but introduces so much hiss even though it’s on its own loop in a quartermaster.
I own a wampler tumnus that i love. Archer is one of the greatest klon clone, but the jb sounds almost like an ehx soul food (which i had for years and loved it!), little more hairy than an original klon...
I love Mick's sound with the Klon and with the Tubescreamer. But when I go to use those pedals myself, I am just so uninspired by the sound.
Yah, it's definitely not for everyone. Dan's not a fan either.
Quality headphones and I can’t hear any difference at all. I dig the sound of them with the Tele too, especially. I’m partial to middy Marshall tones tho!
Edit: the 335 sounded killer with it too.
Wow, this video is lack time travel back to the olden days when it was a default expectation that your audience wasn't aware of all the details in pedal chain. I'm sure there's a ton of new faces in the past years that might not be as clear on what all the gadgets are since the last explanation so good on you guys making a quick brief about demoing them.
Do you guys think it could sound like someone else's Klon? Would you think there's a time factor to count in, like improved tolerances, evolved parts?
I just don’t get it…it sounds bad to me I’ve tried to get along with these pedals and sold my klon too early. I keep trying the klon klones. I found though a Marshall that’s already gained up these pedals are money. Just gives it more girth and thickness. But though a clean-ish fender, yuck! Not as bad as a tube screamer (also a good Marshall boost imo) but I just get it. The Jeff archer seems a little more friendly into a cleaner fender style amp? And both the klon and the ts work better for me with humbuckers.
In my lexicon, the Archers, both, growl a bit more, say a little more hair on them than the Klon. The buckers brought that out a lot more.
They all sound really good I think, the big one is a little thicker sounding. I am curious about the feel of the big one compared to the feel of the others. I've heard the original Klons feel really great. There is a pedal builder from Indonesia "Apollo Approved'. He makes a Klon style overdrive called the Unicorn which feels amazing like that.
Does anybody know how Mr Beck used the pedal? Was it it his main source of gain or a boost? I’m assuming it was always on too?
They all sit in the same area with some differences...which are minor. I have a J Rockett Ikon which I like a lot, more medium gain(which is right for me).
this is exactly what I needed this morning. thanks guys
"Does the JB sound like Mick's Klon? NOOOOOOO..." - Love it
No grey areas there.
Didn't say worse or better tho did we. :0)
I am wearing my Play Loud shirt today as well :)
Do the both the J Rockett pedals have the buffer?
Thanks guys!
I believe so. Mick here.
Once Mick dialled back the tone on the Jeff they were pretty close. Still preferred the klon though.
There are differences, but I don't think it's so great that at a loud rocking gig it'd make a hapeth of difference. All sound great though but. Love mine through a JMP super lead mk ii 50 watter.
Ooooh, so it's the Jeff (Beck) Archer! I was wondering for a while if it was meant to be the Jeffrey Archer 😂
The Jeff is cleaner then the Klon and does not sound close the Archer sounds much closer but I'm sure what I'm hearing compressed over TH-cam isn't what it's like in room. As a overdrive that Klon kills
My dog peed on my quartermaster Qm6. My signal has alot of popping now. What do I do?
I saw every beck tour up front. And I saw. Jeff use. archer instead of klon. And afte that. , never took it off
I have 2 beck archers. And 1 archer. Both becks are softer. Cleaner. Drive.
I just bought a Wampler Tumnus on a whim and now this. Great timing!
I wish you had gotten the Unobtanium as well, because that's supposed to be a copy of a silver Klon.
And aaaaaaall the others. There's so many now.
well,it's just that i have one and wanted to hear Mick playing through it :)@@ThatPedalShow
Hi, guys,
Nice sounding session as usual ...
Although, i'm a bit depressed, because i wanted to buy a PLAY LOUD T-Shirt, and it seems to be discountinued ...
Please, make those back, what's the point playing guitar if it isn't loud !
The JB is a blatant obvious marketing ploy by J Rockett to sell more silver Archer’s…. That’s it, very little difference at all, just a higher price tag. I’ve owned all 4. The JB, Silver Archer, IKon and an original Centaur same non horsie as Mick’s. I ordered it from Bill when you had to call the Klon-Siberia 666 number found in Vintage Guitar Mag. I was 17 years old, now 40. They all sound great. I prefer the standard silver archer of the 4 in a rig.
Excellent show! Very informative and love the truncated format!
Nice video, but why oh why oh why not make a round of playing them into a dirty Marshall? Like, you know, Jeff Beck did (yes, he played them into clean amps too).
Cos then we'd have to try to play like Jeff. Nope. Not going there! Impossible. But we take the point.
But is it still a great pedal that one could find a use for? I say absolutely!