Every single year Jordan played a full season with the Bulls (11), is all in the top 50. The only Bulls seasons that isn’t on here is when he broke his leg and played 18 games and the other where he played 17 games in 1995 when he came out of retirement.
Mike was just so much better than lebron. He's a way better shooter, way better defender, way better competitor. #2 in blocks at his position, #1 in steals. What's LeBron really doing that that's much better? Before some says assists chill. He averaged a triple double when he played pg. Plus all these stats would go even heavier in MJ's favor if he played in todays league. Rules and game style have been heavily changed to allow for easier scoring
well said...i wish more people could grasp the concept of the value of points then vs now....the old points were mostly 2pt shots and much harder to avg 30+ a season
I hope people can see now why us "old heads" hated when LBJ went to Miami with D Wade. In 09 they both were like top 5 players and then they joined up the next year. They just killed the competition aspect of the game. Then KD felt the right to do the same thing.
@@mikefromnyc4111 KG was past his prime and so was Allen. It is not even a valid comparison. It is like calling Charles, Hakeem and Pippen being a superteam. Nobody were in their primes unlike Bron and Wade.
It's not just about style of play. It's because of the current rules of the NBA that allowed players to score more. Which is sad sometimes as defense is really being negelcted now.
You are right, the game is very different today, that is why you have so many players of the modern era on that top 50 list. Makes MJs count on that list even more impressive.
It's the narratives, sir. The NBA sets up who they want to be the MVP sometimes. It's not like that all the time, but every now and again they did it. New to your channel but I like your solid understanding of things! Keep up the good work!
To pick up on your offense/defense comparison …. what if your best offensive player, is also a league best defensive player?? I’d take that guy. :) haha
See the only thing that flawed dude argument about taking a player with A+ offense and C defense over A+ defense and C offense is MJ had A+ offense and defense at the same time in almost all his seasons in Chicago 🤷🏿♂️... He really should have 11 MVPs
13:57 he averaged 29.8 PTS (most that year) 10.7 TRB 4.8 AST 1.7 STL 3.3 BLK (3rd most that year) had 20.0 win shares (highest that year) made 2nd team All-NBA and All-Defense
The thing is if Jordan played in this era with no tuff defence less Injury’s play another 10 years like lebron has all records would be broken and it surely would be beyond stratosphere shit!!!
Jordan could have had more MVP's, also keep in mind he missed 2 seasons in his prime prime where he could have won the MVP also. I know he played 17 games in that 2nd season but he wasn't going to really be eligible to win the MVP during that comeback year.
@@mikefromnyc4111 nah, taj is talking about the years MJ got hurt. One year he played only 17 games and the other he only played 18. If he hadn't gotten hurt, and played the full season, he could have gotten two more.
Most valuable player That has nothing to do with "team" it's all about who as a player is most valuable So a player that plays bother sides of the court and does so effectively and delivers the very best on both sides and I mean no way was Barkley or Johnson offensively better than Mike So we repeat a robbery took place🤷🏾♂️
That last thing you said that speaks to years from now people won’t have seen MJ. Think about people that will have never seen Lebron play. They’ll figure out it’s no way he could be the goat and only have four rings. Jordan beat Magic a top 5 all time player. He beat Malone and Barkley both Mvp players at the time. Lebron only had four rings and that last one came off a Heat time who’s best player was Jimmy Butter. How you think that is going to age? Having less rings and beating Jimmy Butler to get one of those😂
You shouldn't be surprised that Scottie Pippen made the list. He wasn't that great of a player when he first entered the league (only averaged 8 points in his rookie year), but to win championships, Jordan and Phil knew they needed a 2nd option. A Robin to MJ's Batman. They noticed Scottie's potential and made sure to hone it. Phil had Pippen guard MJ during practices. Imagine guarding the best scorer of all time during practices then facing off with other players who are not as fast or as skilled during actual games. Once Pippen developed into a great defender, it became steel sharpening steel at that point. Pippen would not have developed the way he did if he didn't have Jordan, but Jordan could have found another great option, it just happened to be Pippen. Unlike Lebron that just finds players that are already top level caliber like Wade, Bosh, AD, etc., MJ built Pippen.
The modern game has a lack of defense, partially due to rule changes. The NBA is in the entertainment business so more scoring is seen as a good thing. The same is true in the NFL. Rule changes have a great effect on the games, and some are not good 🤗
I agree. If you consider LeBron the GOAT at the end of his career, I won't fight you on that... but if you say LeBron was the BETTER basketball player, that's fighting words LOL Michael Jordan was and is the better basketball player. I don't think you can make a good argument against it. He did MORE in less time than LeBron did. Yes, longevity is a thing but the peaks that MJ hit were damn HIGH. I mean look at this video, he has 11 of the top 50 "greatest" regular seasons EVER... that's wild for someone who only really play 14 seasons.
When you talk about peaks, remember jordan retire and comeback, so you can’t really measure if he didn’t retire you can probably make a 10 year peak that would compare better to James but Jordan have 11 of the best 50 and James 5 so I am sure if you compare all Michael Jordan season whit Lebron Jordan still be on top, or compare 1072 games wish is Jordan total games agains James 1072 first games, i watch Jordan , I was actually a laker fan magic , then Jordan came and all change, I continue watching O’Neal, kobe but Jordan make the game better
@@eazymoneymane7789 uh… have you seen his numbers? He was having 40 point / 25 rebound games and losing. He lost to the Celtics by one point in game 7 of the eastern finals while he averaged 30 and 30. 30 points and 30 rebounds against Bill freakin Russell. Nobody beat the celtics but Wilt in No Way disappeared.
@@jeffwilliams2828 yep I saw his numbers from the regular season to the playoffs wilt is the best to some people I get it but if wilt was so dominant he should have beaten the Celtics
@@eazymoneymane7789 Jordan never got out of the East without Scottie Pippen. By your logic every year he didn’t win a championship Jordan was overrated. That’s just silly. Like i said you have to take Wilt out of the conversation just to have a goat discussion or else do what you’re doing and change the conversation to team achievements.
@@jeffwilliams2828 , you know scottie pippen didn't become a all star until 90 season 4 years before he came in the league, guess what happened when jordan got only one all star not 2 he won a 3 peat and came back and won 3 more, lebron had 5 Hall of famers and didn't make the play in 🤣
Mj ruined the NBA because he made everyone want to be the solo act, but nobody has been able to do it like him so the NBA started changing the rules to favor offensive perimeter players. There are many people who believe Jordan has been the best player since his 4th year also
@@mikefromnyc4111 No, Every player have his own game. But 38000+ bucket with only one 3 is still a perf Now if you have two players with the same amount of career points But one have more FT than the other who is the better in game player ? It depend after all go to the line it's also a skill But it's easiest to got a high level career point if you have a lot of 3 and FT Still, only LeBron make it
the greatest season any player has ever had is wilt chamberlains 1962 season. he avg over 50 pts a game and 25 reb.. if they had counted blocks back then he might have avg a triple double back then. because wilt would regularly get 10 or more blocks a game. if wilt is not the top on this list. im going to be curious what criteria you used to eliminate him.
ya but kobe shouldnt have won mvp in 2008, chris paul had a better season clearly. and kobe only got 2 finals mvps to brons 4, bron is better. MJ BY FAR the greatest of course.
it took to Lebron several Decades the softest Era No defense diffrent rules better Shoes technologie medecine doctors sicence mde up teams just to win to do the than what MJ did in just few years ... why arguing about this ? it's an insult to the game of basketball , actually the actual Basketball is an insult to itself a damn 3 points contest with all players kissing each otehrs being freinds no competition
Why do you keep on talking about Steve Nash I know why, and let's not forget MJ never beat Larry Legend, let's not forget Larry Legend and Magic saved the NBA 2 🐐🐐 and what about Bill Russell 11 championships you mentioned wilt but not Bill Russell?
Every single year Jordan played a full season with the Bulls (11), is all in the top 50.
The only Bulls seasons that isn’t on here is when he broke his leg and played 18 games and the other where he played 17 games in 1995 when he came out of retirement.
MJ has 5 seasons better than Lebron's best season... Super crazy!!!
and to think lebron played more seasons than MJ.. MJ WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND.☝️🔥🫡🫢🤫🤷👌💯
And the league rules change imagine what Jordan's number would have been in today's game
MJ won a DPOTY,MVP, Scoring title and steals title in the same season
He also won the Dunk Contest and the All Star MVP
spot on with the analysis, it's a different game today. also, Jordan is alone in another stratosphere!
Mike was just so much better than lebron. He's a way better shooter, way better defender, way better competitor. #2 in blocks at his position, #1 in steals. What's LeBron really doing that that's much better? Before some says assists chill. He averaged a triple double when he played pg. Plus all these stats would go even heavier in MJ's favor if he played in todays league. Rules and game style have been heavily changed to allow for easier scoring
well said...i wish more people could grasp the concept of the value of points then vs now....the old points were mostly 2pt shots and much harder to avg 30+ a season
Facts
It’s funny that no one else is in the frame but the person right behind MJ……….Is MJ. 😂😂💀 GOAT! Period.
MJ was A+ Offense and A+ Defense.
I hope people can see now why us "old heads" hated when LBJ went to Miami with D Wade. In 09 they both were like top 5 players and then they joined up the next year. They just killed the competition aspect of the game. Then KD felt the right to do the same thing.
Well if the Celtics didn’t form a super team First Lebron would’ve never needed to do that
@@mikefromnyc4111 KG was past his prime and so was Allen. It is not even a valid comparison. It is like calling Charles, Hakeem and Pippen being a superteam. Nobody were in their primes unlike Bron and Wade.
You know your basketball! Excellent explanation of the differences in scoring between era's 🙌...
It's not just about style of play. It's because of the current rules of the NBA that allowed players to score more. Which is sad sometimes as defense is really being negelcted now.
MJ is the greatest and the best ever
You are right, the game is very different today, that is why you have so many players of the modern era on that top 50 list. Makes MJs count on that list even more impressive.
The way you break it down is absolutely 100% right it was definitely alot harder to score in the 80s and 90s
It's the narratives, sir. The NBA sets up who they want to be the MVP sometimes. It's not like that all the time, but every now and again they did it. New to your channel but I like your solid understanding of things! Keep up the good work!
To pick up on your offense/defense comparison …. what if your best offensive player, is also a league best defensive player?? I’d take that guy. :) haha
MJ 在遠處 獨自閃耀中, MY GOAT🥰
All you gotta do is watch. We have NEVER seen anyone that good. 🐐
Great assessment.. your dead on about the scoring value of 90s vs today.
Jordan was just different
See the only thing that flawed dude argument about taking a player with A+ offense and C defense over A+ defense and C offense is MJ had A+ offense and defense at the same time in almost all his seasons in Chicago 🤷🏿♂️... He really should have 11 MVPs
13:57 he averaged 29.8 PTS (most that year) 10.7 TRB 4.8 AST 1.7 STL 3.3 BLK (3rd most that year) had 20.0 win shares (highest that year) made 2nd team All-NBA and All-Defense
Is old heads know our basketball MJ goat not even close!!!!!!!!!!! The guy had a aura god! League of his own!!!!!!!!
it's crazy that even without the inflation, just talking numbers is towering
The thing is if Jordan played in this era with no tuff defence less Injury’s play another 10 years like lebron has all records would be broken and it surely would be beyond stratosphere shit!!!
joh stockton never missed playoff
Crazy feat
You were talking about the eye test. Mike was just deadly....
Love the analysis bro
Appreciate the love
Hahaha. I was saying lebron is more of super sayan 1.5. Just Bulky. Jordan is on super sayan 2.
I like you're IQ, kid. I'd correct you on a couple small things but I'm not gonna sweat it. You got a good grasp of eras and legends. Great reaction.
Jordan could have had more MVP's, also keep in mind he missed 2 seasons in his prime prime where he could have won the MVP also. I know he played 17 games in that 2nd season but he wasn't going to really be eligible to win the MVP during that comeback year.
Michael Jordan taking time off to me is not helpful to his argument
@@mikefromnyc4111 nah, taj is talking about the years MJ got hurt. One year he played only 17 games and the other he only played 18. If he hadn't gotten hurt, and played the full season, he could have gotten two more.
In the 90s, games averaged 100 point per team. Now the average is close to 120. A team in the 90s to reach 120 points means at least a 2 OT.
19:30 Yeah but MJ had better defense and Offense over Magic 😅
The NBA robbed MJ in 89 for the MVP, and arguably many other great years of MJ, smh🤦🏾♂️
Honestly, they robbed LBJ of some MVP's too.
Most valuable player
That has nothing to do with "team" it's all about who as a player is most valuable
So a player that plays bother sides of the court and does so effectively and delivers the very best on both sides and I mean no way was Barkley or Johnson offensively better than Mike
So we repeat a robbery took place🤷🏾♂️
That last thing you said that speaks to years from now people won’t have seen MJ. Think about people that will have never seen Lebron play. They’ll figure out it’s no way he could be the goat and only have four rings. Jordan beat Magic a top 5 all time player. He beat Malone and Barkley both Mvp players at the time. Lebron only had four rings and that last one came off a Heat time who’s best player was Jimmy Butter. How you think that is going to age? Having less rings and beating Jimmy Butler to get one of those😂
It’s simple LeBron is the stat king of Longevity! MJ is the GOAT because of highest peak and sustained dominance individually and team success wise!
You shouldn't be surprised that Scottie Pippen made the list. He wasn't that great of a player when he first entered the league (only averaged 8 points in his rookie year), but to win championships, Jordan and Phil knew they needed a 2nd option. A Robin to MJ's Batman. They noticed Scottie's potential and made sure to hone it. Phil had Pippen guard MJ during practices. Imagine guarding the best scorer of all time during practices then facing off with other players who are not as fast or as skilled during actual games. Once Pippen developed into a great defender, it became steel sharpening steel at that point. Pippen would not have developed the way he did if he didn't have Jordan, but Jordan could have found another great option, it just happened to be Pippen. Unlike Lebron that just finds players that are already top level caliber like Wade, Bosh, AD, etc., MJ built Pippen.
As long as Jordan sells shoes people gonna know or want to know and just like you when they watched the highlights they go yeah he's a better player.
good point
The modern game has a lack of defense, partially due to rule changes. The NBA is in the entertainment business so more scoring is seen as a good thing. The same is true in the NFL.
Rule changes have a great effect on the games, and some are not good 🤗
I agree. If you consider LeBron the GOAT at the end of his career, I won't fight you on that... but if you say LeBron was the BETTER basketball player, that's fighting words LOL Michael Jordan was and is the better basketball player. I don't think you can make a good argument against it. He did MORE in less time than LeBron did. Yes, longevity is a thing but the peaks that MJ hit were damn HIGH. I mean look at this video, he has 11 of the top 50 "greatest" regular seasons EVER... that's wild for someone who only really play 14 seasons.
When you talk about peaks, remember jordan retire and comeback, so you can’t really measure if he didn’t retire you can probably make a 10 year peak that would compare better to James but Jordan have 11 of the best 50 and James 5 so I am sure if you compare all Michael Jordan season whit Lebron Jordan still be on top, or compare 1072 games wish is Jordan total games agains James 1072 first games, i watch Jordan , I was actually a laker fan magic , then Jordan came and all change, I continue watching O’Neal, kobe but Jordan make the game better
We can only use what happened not hypotheticals the fact is he did retire we can not use years he did play to add to his resume
I really like your channel brody
Appreciate that
27:25 💯
Did most of these players on this list come from 80's and 90's or were there more players on this list from today's generation?
18:20 and ppl say the NBA was on MJ 🍆
Yeah by robbing him??
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Wilt Chamberlain was so great you have to completely remove him just to have a “goat” conversation.
Not in the playoffs and finals
@@eazymoneymane7789 uh… have you seen his numbers? He was having 40 point / 25 rebound games and losing. He lost to the Celtics by one point in game 7 of the eastern finals while he averaged 30 and 30. 30 points and 30 rebounds against Bill freakin Russell. Nobody beat the celtics but Wilt in No Way disappeared.
@@jeffwilliams2828 yep I saw his numbers from the regular season to the playoffs wilt is the best to some people I get it but if wilt was so dominant he should have beaten the Celtics
@@eazymoneymane7789 Jordan never got out of the East without Scottie Pippen. By your logic every year he didn’t win a championship Jordan was overrated. That’s just silly. Like i said you have to take Wilt out of the conversation just to have a goat discussion or else do what you’re doing and change the conversation to team achievements.
@@jeffwilliams2828 , you know scottie pippen didn't become a all star until 90 season 4 years before he came in the league, guess what happened when jordan got only one all star not 2 he won a 3 peat and came back and won 3 more, lebron had 5 Hall of famers and didn't make the play in 🤣
Mj ruined the NBA because he made everyone want to be the solo act, but nobody has been able to do it like him so the NBA started changing the rules to favor offensive perimeter players.
There are many people who believe Jordan has been the best player since his 4th year also
Tell that to lebron
dont have to be a great defender for this metric because box plus minues, PER, it's more geared towards primary scorer.
mj and giannis both have mvps, dpoy and a chip, not in the same season, but they have it.
Add Hakeem to that list
Hakeem was the only one with all of them
Why doesn't defense mean anything to this generation?
How many 3 Kareem scores?
One, just one.
Oh and LeBron got more ft too.
Is it bad that he has more fts?
@@mikefromnyc4111
No,
Every player have his own game.
But 38000+ bucket with only one 3 is still a perf
Now if you have two players with the same amount of career points
But one have more FT than the other who is the better in game player ?
It depend after all go to the line it's also a skill
But it's easiest to got a high level career point if you have a lot of 3 and FT
Still, only LeBron make it
the greatest season any player has ever had is wilt chamberlains 1962 season. he avg over 50 pts a game and 25 reb.. if they had counted blocks back then he might have avg a triple double back then. because wilt would regularly get 10 or more blocks a game.
if wilt is not the top on this list. im going to be curious what criteria you used to eliminate him.
ya but kobe shouldnt have won mvp in 2008, chris paul had a better season clearly. and kobe only got 2 finals mvps to brons 4, bron is better. MJ BY FAR the greatest of course.
another denial lebron fan
I'm not dealing with you your bias
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it took to Lebron several Decades the softest Era No defense diffrent rules better Shoes technologie medecine doctors sicence mde up teams just to win to do the than what MJ did in just few years ...
why arguing about this ? it's an insult to the game of basketball , actually the actual Basketball is an insult to itself a damn 3 points contest with all players kissing each otehrs being freinds no competition
Why do you keep on talking about Steve Nash I know why, and let's not forget MJ never beat Larry Legend, let's not forget Larry Legend and Magic saved the NBA 2 🐐🐐 and what about Bill Russell 11 championships you mentioned wilt but not Bill Russell?
Nash did not deserve his MVPS in my opinion that’s why lol Bill definitely deserves his flowers as well