Piaggio Zip AC to LC Conversion
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This video presents a #conversion from air cooled to liquid cooled engine on my #Piaggio Zip.
Part list:
-#Stage6 streetrace LC cylinder kit
-Radiator
-Radiator bottle
-Bottle cap
-Radiator mount an screws
-Radiator hoses (custom hoses 5/8'' diameter) + 2*90 degree pipes
-12V electric water pump
-Plastic pipe for inlet
-Thermometer
-Coolant
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Scoured the internet to find just this one video. People have stopped experimenting
AWESOME !!!!!!!! Really informative video about taking apart a Zip :-)
How many mm holes did you drill for the water?
This video is fucking satisfying, well done
How come you needed to grind for the water elbow? I did this conversion many years ago and it fitted perfectly without any grinding.
All you need is the elbow pipe. is there no other modification to the casing to make it lc. Cheers
Could i do this to my Peugeot vivacity sportline
Well done 😉
simplemente genial!
Mas mohon info jual piston ring zip 100 cc,di sulawesi sangat sulit mencari,
You took new Carter?
Where can i bye the elboe water part?
piaggio genuine store or maybe at maxiscoot.com
hello also I have to transform my power from air to liquid, and I saw that you kept the same block, I would like to ask you if you can only install the electric water pump or even the mechanical one? And what did you use to rectify the water pump housing? Thanks
I don't know how to install a mechanical pump on ac crankcase. Probably you have to drill a hole for the shaft of the pump. The water pump housing is ready to use with electric pump.
Same top end on an Aprilia sr50 piaggio motor. Not the Morini engine
Can you make a explain video off how you mounted the waterpump in place and working? I want to do it to but wanne have more instructions
yes I will make a video as soon as possible !
specializedbabis better! I wanne do this to
Link electric water pomp??
nice video. So did you had problems with that rubber at 5:03 its not logical. supply oil to the pump on the bottom and, supply oil to the carrburator on the top. On my sr i could not understand how this rubber supposed to be mounted :)
What do u do on the other side where the water pump pully is how did you close it off
I didn't do anything. Just left the pulley for the oil pump.
Thks four video a Maine miles need to drive whit new head and piston please thks
Where is the waterpump when you need it yano
Hi i know this is a old video but i realy wanna do this to but i need some more explenation could you help me ?
Find me on instagram and ask me your questions. I'm happy to answer
Huh usual I take the engine of my bike not the bike of the engine
Jon the lamb hahaha in case of scooters you have to do the opposite
@Frank Blackcrow look up hoonigan
Thanks for sharing this great vídeo! Binos, its possible to do this conversion but keeping the mechanical water pump? Like drilling a hole ? I dont wanna eletric pump, Ty
I don't know if it's possible because it's not only the hole that have to be drilled. It's also the water pump bearing socket that have to be made.
@@binostuning Dont you think a professional cnc turner could make an exact replica of an LC case on a AC case? Or…. Impossible? Many thanks for your reply and advice
@@GaspersStuff yes with cnc you can probably make it fit
Presumably you did this work for more reliability? I am planning on stripping my SR125R aprilia with the same engine into malossi 172cc, 25mm carb, upgrade crank etc etc. I want to avoid more work and maintenance so I want to avoid liquid cooling but I understand it could be a much more reliable but I also would then save this scooter for nice dry days going for a rio around the city so I don’t think I would run it for long and when I do the work I will fit a thermostat to watch the heat levels. Do you think this is safe. It wouldn’t be an every day bike after fully customisation of the scooter.
I did this work because at a certain level of tuning, the air cooled is fine. But if you want to go full throttle for longer and your scooter have a more than a sport cylinder, you should go with liquid cooling. Also for every day use, my opinion is to stay with air cooling because it's less complex (especially for electric water pump setup). For my setup, if you go fast, the temperature is fine but it will raise if I get caught in traffic. Exactly the opposite was happening with the AC setup. Also the LC is easier to tune and in all circumstances is more reliable.
@@binostuning thanks for taking the time to reply. I’m going mallosi 172 etc. only kit available for me I think.
Where dit you get you’re digital temperature meter at 9:05 ?
I bought it from eBay
Search for digital thermometer
specializedbabis thanks!!
what is the first song called
Girraff squad: wait for me
Nice conversion! Is there a true that AC engine has like 1hp less power in the high rpm because of the Cooler fan drag? Did u see difference between the AC and LC cylinders?
Thanks my friend. Probably the AC has less power at the top end, but not only from the fan. The LC is more 'stable' on tuning and you can tune it a little on the lean side, so the mixture burns better.
@@binostuning thanks for the info
@@binostuning i found that on my nrg power lc.. i set it a little bit on the lean side and it has a good power, perfect fuel consumption and a good workin... previous owner were set it up rich
... and the working was very bad and was burning alot ot fuel..
@@DiabloStuntTeam yes of course
@@DiabloStuntTeam I leaned out my Sr50 Minarelli l/C. It also got better.
sorry
Is that Gilera Ice has same this engine ?
thank you mechanic for video
Probably the same cylinder if it is 50cc buy the long crankcase to match the bigger wheel.
thank you very much 😅😋🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Very good video whitch jet size you have one also is malossi 70cc kit Thks bro
87 jet size
It's a stage6 streetrace 70 cc
You mentioned new paint what paint did you use and how did you get youre engine as spotless as that
I used Motip gray heat resistant paint. To get a good result you have to clean the engine cases very well. Use fine sand paper to sand all the reachable places and then wash them properly. Paint the cases in closed area
Binos_Performance im really looking up to you im building myself a zip in the netherlands is there anyway i fan contact you?
@@amydeluxe4788 send me on instagram @binos_performance
Was it hard to change it to lc or was it like plug & play, did you grind or have you sanded if so where?
it's not plug & play. you don't need to grind or change something major on the bike or its frame, but you will need to figure some parts or wiring for the pump.
@@binostuning oh thanks dude
Looks like it's an zip sp witch means is already LC but I might be wrong
It's not a zip sp. It's a 50cc AC zip which I converted to LC
Hi , congratulations for the great video!
I am in Australia and the zip sp ac is not available , so I was very interested in what you did.
Can you be so kind to tell me some parts details/ numbers:
-Radiator
-Radiator bottle
-Bottle cap -Radiator mount an screws
-Radiator hoses (custom hoses 5/8'' diameter) + 2*90 degree pipes -
-12V electric water pump -
-Plastic pipe for inlet ( this the one you see at 5:38 ?)
The inlet for the water pipe: did you have to drill it?
did you use the front plastic from a zip sp to allow air on the radiator?
Would you do a conversion like this using a Top trophy/ DR evo ( same thing apparently ) 2 rings "base" 70 cc.
As far as "special tools" you used : extractor for flywheel, extractor to separate the cases and impact air gun. Any other " special " tool ?
How many kms did you do so far?
Sorry for the 1000 questions :)
Thanks!!
Thanks for your great words!
Firstly, the conversion is over a year that has been made, that's why i don't remember all that parts/steps.
In the description are the most of the parts that you need to complete the conversion. I don't describe some parts like gasket maker (Permatex) or flanges etc.
Yes the plastic pipe that you see at 5:38 is for the inlet of the water to the cases.
The hole for the plastic pipe already exists but you have to grind it to fit the plastic pipe.
I changed the front mask to SP to let the air enter, I bought it from eBay for ~90 euro.
You can do this conversion with any LC cylinder you want.
For special tools I used those you said except case extractor. Also it doesn't need to open your cases. I opened mine because I would change the crankshaft bearings.
I can't tell you how man kms i did so far because my odo is stuck on 20000kms, but I think is around 5000km.
I am running a hour meter, now it is on 230 hours. No problems at all. Streetrace kit is very reliable and powerfull for fun riding with wheelies.
Be careful not to overthighen some screws on the cases, and keep the cylinder room very clean. Also use full synthetic oil.
Good luck
do you know if it is possible to do this but with a LC engine with a AC cylinder because i want the disc brake for 13" runner wheels
And i have a gilera ice and don´t want to have a cooler
What do you mean LC engine and AC cylinder ? I understand that you want to keep the engine cases with the rear disc brake and you want to do an LC to AC conversion, am I right?
Right now i have an air cooled hi-per 2 engine, but i want to buy a liquid cooled block for the disc brake, but keep all the components from the air cooled engine.
Yes you can do this. Also, you should pull the water pump out but i think is not necessary.
Yes i will only use the left side from a watercooled model and ill take the right side from my ac engine
Do you have to split the engine cases or can this be done without doing so?
Extract I think is better to split the engine cases in order to install some new gasket on the 2 halfs of the cases because is important to keep any water away from the crankshaft but you can do this without splitting the cases. If you do the conversion without splitting the cases be careful to clean very well the intake of the water pipe that needs to be grind.
Sorry if my English are bad.
Oh okay thank you, if i get a friend to help me, who knows how to do all this do you think i should split the engine my self an if i leave my email address would you be able to tell me what tools and parts i will need please? thank you.
My opinion is that you shouldn't split the cases alone if you are not sure what are you doing, don't take any risks because you will damage your engine, get a person who knows how to do this. It's very easy to make a mistake. Of course I can help you with the tools and parts.
Thank you, speak over email? kyledavies16x@outlook.com
how many ml of oil have the fork
10-15ml
Where is the water pipe going to? Where it has to delivery liquid?
The water pipe fits on the crankcase, the water goes inside the pipe and then in the room that is the original (mechanical) water pump. If you have an electric water pump, the water just goes inside this room and then goes up to the cylinder.
specializedbabis Thanks!
My english are bad , but i try , what waterpump brand that u use ? Is it from other engine ?
It is a universal water pump from eBay. Search for electric water pump 12v.
Tq 👌
What is better, cylinder with water cooler or cylinder with wind cooler?
If you want good power and reliability, then go liquid cooled. If you don't want much power and complexit, go air cooled.
Can the lc piston work on air?
Maybe yes.
How much do you charge for this kind of work... I would like this be done to my bike too
King Jerry Coleman IV I can't tell you how much because I have not a shop but I estimate this job around 150£
150€ Your robbing yourself. Dunno in the states we charge 300usd for a carb clean and fuel lines.
Hey man love the vid, are you based in the UK?
Thanks! No, I am living in Greece.
Is there any difference in power?
Yes the stage6 is a better cylinder kit.
What does liquid cool do different for scooter
For normal use the air-cooled is fine. If you are tuning a 2 stroke motorcycle you need the lowest temperature possible because you have more air getting through the engine. Also the LC keeps the temp more stable and is better for high speed use.
Binos_Tuning I see my 4 stroke 49cc is good than. I’ll hit you up in the future for questions
i convered piaggio lc to ac
where did you get the waterpump ?
International Videos I bought the water pump from eBay. It is just an electric 12v water pump. Type this and you should find one.
Ma il blocco è quello originale o ne hai comprato uno apposta a liquido
The original air cooled block.
Why did you put electric pump?
Because the aircooled crankcase has not a hole for the waterpump shaft
and the engine that you are using is that an standard 2stroke air cooled one ?
International Videos the crankcase is from piaggio ac engine and the cylinder is stage6 Streetrace
so on every 2 stroke ac engine is an crankcase
i mean every 2 stroike ac engine has an crankcase
International Videos every engine has a crankcase. This is the place that fits the crankshaft.
Okay
Minarelli cylinder on a Piaggio block?
No its a cylinder for piaggio LC
Binos_Tuning Oh alright. It does look a lot like a mina hor cylinder
How come the bike is a Piaggio zip 50 sp, I believe these are liquid cooled stock!
Zip 2000 with sp plastics
@@radio-180cc ok
Knockoff panels
After all, is the cooling good with the election waterpump?
Yes. It's better when you go full throttle for long time. Also the temperature is more consistent so you can tune the motor easier.
@@binostuning thanks!!! How is the fitting of the water pipe? Is it tight enough so it doesn’t leak?
@@samstruwer9909 yes of course. Check my latest video to see the cooling system.
On Minarelli engine it is a lot easier but respekt
What is the name of the pump?
At this time I was using a cheap 12V electric water pump from ebay. Now i'm using a BOSCH 12V electric pump.
@@binostuning Why did you put the water inlet near the stator? Can i do directly from the radiator, pump and to the cylinder without go in the block?
@@davidegigante you have to do this way because the liquid enters the cylinder from the bottom of the case.
@@binostuning Thanks
what track is that?
Миша Маркелов track = song? = music?
specializedbabis song
specializedbabis song 1
Over-Honors
and the first one for the song
Is this 50cc?
yes
couldve just bought a hi per2 LC lol
Why grind it when you already install it. I would grind it when it's in 2 pieces.
You are correct. I did like this because I didn't test fit when it was split.
is the pipe where you grind for is there water coming true ?
International Videos Yes the water is coming through that pipe from the water pump and goes in the crankcase and then in the cylinder.
but isn't the water coming at the crankshaft
International Videos no it doesn't go in the crankshaft. Check some photos please
Can you send me some ?
Where did you place the water pump ?
2 t??
Mettici un blocco 180 sotto allo zip
JACK COLEMAN English please!
All Sport Zylinder are making this shit ringing sound. My new malossi zylinder sounds the same. Thermal gap are extremely large.
That's right but this is the reason they last so long. Also the stage 6 Streetrace makes nice power.
Poca broma
dude, you forgot the water pump!
Bitch ,water pump is inside the carter motor left at ignition, when you don't know any yhings don't open your fucking ass 😉😂😂
Lol noob he didnt show in the vid
don't answer when you are wrong self
he is using an electric pump
it's under the footrest
Keep controlling your cooling system every day, because it can leak and get empty really secrectly.
I'm gonna do the opposite
Me 2
Raffreddamento a liquido su un 50...che merdata
English pls