Two things: 1) I do really hope folks give that EQ profile a try, since I kept it still a bit V-shaped, just with more sub-bass and the rest balanced out a bit more. Yes some may prefer the unhinged levels of mid bass on offer here, but you have to remember that a lot of folks don't fully know what they like until they hear it, so think of this as an opportunity to do just that. 2) Zeos may be the best of us. He KNEW this wasn't going to go well for us graph sniffers, and he had us review it anyways. Give his channel some love: www.youtube.com/@ZReviews
Every resolve review should come with the disclaimer, his favorite drink is water, his favorite car is a toyota camry, his favorite music is jazz, he is canadian.
@@ZReviews Human fallibility in general is indeed a great source of sadness for me. I would love to be able to take reports from others at face value... but I know that I cannot.
Jazz is a weird callout. If Resolve really is pumpkin spice levels of basic, he'd just listen to whatever was top on the pop charts at any moment in time. Jazz is the Pagani Zonda, not a Camry.
Whilst Zeos is entertaining, he will make 30-minute videos talking about everything but the actual sound of the product so I cannot watch him anymore as channels like this , wave theory and others are much better for me.
Im way more of the emotional side of listening. How did headphone make me feel. Describing sound is brutal if you are avoiding sounding like everyone else.
Thanks for the review guys, about what I had predicted. Was hoping at least one of y'all would join the Cult of Eris. Get you next time! Haven't been a ton of reports about piercing treble, will pursue to see if that is anyone else's issue. Noticed Resolve didn't mention it so it might be a Cameron thing. And while reduced I can guarantee there is indeed midrange just pushed way out in the wild soundstage. As for bass, nobody has called them Muddy. The opposite actually since most "EXTRA BASS" headphones DO tend to be quite muddy. That Harmonic Distortion / resonance is likely how Eris does Soundstage like it does. You hear the physical echo in the cup which is not something ANY headphone that you measure will do it. Probably being phased out as the frequencies hit the mic twice. Would be interesting to test that.. Not sure how. Either way it really doesn't matter what any reviewer says (even me). It's all about that owner response and the owner response has been overwhelmingly positive period even people who aren't fans of mine have gotten sets and had their whole ____ turned upside down. Thanks to everyone who supports the project. Don't bully these guys too much! Just a little.. Buncha Wankars!
Well I got my pair, and I am indeed one of the people you said would love them in your review. Are they a neutral headphone? No, but you never claimed them to be. I think some people are definitely having the reaction you wanted.
I love Zeos, started following ZReviews b/c I found I liked what he likes. He has guided many personal purchases. Bought Eris and have to agree with this review. Mine are unlistenable for me.
I enjoy a different, fun headphone. We don't all want to rub oil on ourselves and roll around on yoga mats with graphs and charts on them and compare everything to Sundara while humping the HD600.
“Immeasurable things scare audiophiles” How the times are changing. I could’ve swore in the past it was the other way around where measurements scare “Audiophiles” 😅
@@ResolveReviews It def works both ways.. MY POWER CABLE IS BEST.. can't measure it. Bankrupt.. MY DAC IS THE MOST LINEAR.. Can measure it, it isn't. Bankrupt..
Forgot to mention the price.. 250. And the materials, you said cheap feeling but are Injection molded ABS? Plastic, Glass and Aluminum. The wire is the best part, just a brief mention of that.
I used the Geekria tuning discs with mine, to tone down the sibilance. With those installed, I love these. I use them for both music and gaming at my desk. Am I crazy? In more ways than my choice of headphones, absolutely. Does it really matter, given how subjective sound enjoyment is? Nay. I also enjoy the sorts of headphones you guys like too. For a while I was using it alongside my HD650 in my office. They complement each other fairly well, in my opinion.
I would say he has the wrong end of the proverbial stick. This is ultimately a product for consumer add%cts to add to their collection, instead of searching much more on the music medium itself. The consumption of product is part of their enjoyment instead of being a means to an end to purly experience what they see as the art, the music, exclusively. Those that only use one universal headphone because the headphone isn't part of their enjoyment.
That kinda falls apart when you realise it's ultimately to sell product not music. It's for people who think of their headphones are the artistry that dictates the music. Part of the act. There is nothing wrong with that, but it ultimately comes at the expense of music consumption. You are indexing for what music sounds good with that particular tuning, instead of choosing music based on exposure exclusively. It becomes a limitation for music.
Quoting GoldenSound at the end of the video, "This is very very unusual approach to making a headphone which for most people is probably not going to work", he should really clarify what he means by saying "most people" which most people? the common person on the street that listens to Beats or cheap earbuds from the local gas station? I'm certainly not buying a pair of Eris cans, I know they won't be for me, but I know the average person on the street would probably enjoy them because to the 'untrained' it would sound 'fun' and enjoyable to them. I remember when I first started listening to music, I just wanted everything to sound like a smiley face EQ, and for a lot of people that is enough, they are happy, for a minority of us it turns into a passion/hobby and our tastes evolve/change, but we shouldn't try to convert people into audiophiles, as a self confessed audiophile myself I believe that is wrong, "oh but if we educated them they would understand that they could have it better', no, stop, not everyone has to fall within your target curve to enjoy music, really, this isn't a religion. I own a lot of headphones, have experienced some pretty high end gear, but I still always tell people don't go down this road unless you really want to, if you can enjoy your music with your Samsung buds or a little radio with a single mono speaker then maybe that's enough, I'm not going to throw a stone in their pond. I do agree with Zeos that that there is really is no shortage of well measuring headphones available that 'play it safe', he wanted to create a 'fun' sounding headphone and this is the result, and this is where I strongly disagree with GoldenSounds comment at the end of the video, I think for a lot of people this headphone will equate to 'fun' sounding for them.
Over 50%? Take any honest sampling of people that should hold true. Dude the mid range is gone on those… You could make these same arguments you’re making with human feces, the essay and all. They need to draw a line - this is a pretty obvious one. Like what is a bad headphone to you if this isn’t it?
@@sephondranzer I agree the midrange is gone, but like I said, nearly everyone I knew growing up, myself included loved the smiley EQ, high bass, low mids, and high treble, my younger brothers only a few years ago wanted the same, crazy bass and highs, that's all they cared about for years, a lot of people like that sound profile, look how popular Beats were for example! Believe it or not I actually agree with 'most' of what the headphone crew have said, just not with GoldenSounds closing remarks regarding it wouldn't work for most people, people in the audiophile community I agree, but we don't even make up 1% of the total headphone market, not even close, we are a drop in the ocean.
Shouts out to Zeos for the balls to send these to reviewers that in all likelyhood would not like them, and shouts out to The Headphone Show team for not pulling any punches.
I appreciate Zeos' sell on the Eris. I've been using CVJ Konoka IEMs lately, $30 tribrid IEMs with a toggleable vibration woofer (as in, it straight up just vibrates) and extremely OD tweeter. I ended up loving them more than my meta harman-tuned "declared perfect" Crinacle IEMs and I use them every day. We've come so far with regards to accuracy in audio reproduction that we're bringing the crazy designs and sound signatures from the wild west days back for the fun of it, and I really appreciate it.
I am saddened by these. The comfort sounds like I would love it, but I hate it when treble gets too spicy, and this seems like it went too far on that. I don't want to EQ it, at that price point it should just sound good. Golden describes these a lot like I view the HBB Hades IEM, but that IEM is 10% of the price of the Eris, and it has some mid-bass to go with the rest.
Im a prtty ordinary looking human being which is why you wont see videos of me pulling faces whilst listening to headphones. Or speakers. Or any kind of rap 'music'. We get it - you didnt like the headphone - there is no need to torture the rest of us.
Resolve, DMS, GoldenSound are autistic graph chasers. I'm not even a Zeos guy, but his rebuttal is spot on. These headphones aren't for you guys. The more you talk about objectivity, the more you push others in the hobby away that have philosophies closer to his.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 define "good". Some define good as a headphone that allows them to enjoy their music; an engaging headphone. Others define good as a headphone that has a frequency response that reproduces sounds and instruments that are true to life. I'm in the latter camp, but I'm not so autistic and full of self importance that I deny the former.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 I think its more like a 30-40-30 split on all great headphones. 30 love, 30 hate, 40 don't care either way. I rather make a headphone revered by the Basseheads and hated by graph sniffers then one just OK with everybody and unoffensive.
"In 2011, NPD Group reported that Beats' market share was 64% in the U.S. for headphones priced higher than $100, and the brand was valued at $1 billion in September 2013.[3][4]" I can totally see why Z would take that approach.
It seems as if y'all were as kind as you could have been. For all the hard punches you were still holding back. That's cool in my book. I hope Zeos isn't discouraged. This is just the first iteration.
The Eris FR profile reminds me a bit of the Amiron Home with a upper base bump starting from lower mids and a pronounced wideband 2k dip, obviously not to the level like the Eris. Still the Amiron is my favorite headphone amongst my HD600, HD620S, HD560S, admittedly I do EQ the Amiron to bring the bump down and the dip up a bit. I get the FR of the Eris. As for the treble, as I'm in my early 50s and can't hear that much beyond 7k at my preferred listening volume that is low like 50dB & below measured at 1cm from the driver with a real SPL meter, the typical Beyer 8k - 9k treble peak doesn't bother me one bit but likely helps me to hear it a bit better instead. This may explain why some find the Eris treble troublesome like Cameron who can still hear close to 20kHz, while some would find the treble OK.
And if you see me walking down the line With my favorite honky tonk in mind Well, I'll be here around supper time With my can(s) .... and a bunch of wine Beer drinkers and hell raisers, yeah Baby, don't you want to come with me?
I've been using them daily for a few weeks now and my opinion is if I could have one pair of headphones, it would probably not be Eris. But the second absolutely would be. It's different and fun and for what I've listened to so far, enjoyable. Not to mention they're exceedingly comfortable.
I didn't eq, then I did, then I purchased Sonarworks SoundID ref and used this incl. headphone profiles. Then I used the neutral profile to .. eq with FR graphs. Then I realized for speakers to correct for room it made sense but for headphones I was basically making my HD800S and HD600 amd HE 1000se and D8000 and Hedd2 and Liric and LCDXC sound ... THE SAME! I no longer EQ headphones and if I can't enjoy them I sell em (liek the LCDXC, Liric). Based on what I understand, I would likely not enjoy these given I'm Canadian and love Jazz lol! Not crazy about too heavy a V tuning. But, if I draw a food analogy, my taste in spice in terms of hot spice it is probably way higher than any normal spice curve would show and my love of scotch and dark roast black no sugar coffee also not likely fitting flavor curve avg I will not judge these and can understand and believe some will love and enjoy. As long as you can enjoy the music you love all is good.
Hey just FYI you can put in a code to sonarworks to turn it into a regular EQ program that works for headphone adjustments! “launch SoundID Reference -> click on Add new output in the left sidebar-> Add new preset -> Add a new headphone profile -> at the bottom of the left sidebar click on “Individual calibration” -> enter this code: AA000A -> finish adding the profile. This will provide a flat profile and you can also use the Custom Target to create custom target curve presets.”
Well it started out as filling a gap in the market. Then it turned into something I truly love. Ain't no real nice BASS headphones out there. Just headphones that happen to do bass and not enough of it.
@@mm7963 Actually, I was thinking a 3rd party reviewer who liked the product, and had nothing to do with the headphone would have made a good addition to the vid.
@@mm7963 HBB would have been fine. Or Mars Marslander. Not too many others have been sent Eris. It would be fine to just have read some positive reviews on comments elsewhere to balance.
They are a direct copy of the not so successful Athena that came years before. I suppose they wanted to try and sell something using the framework they made so they tried with Black Hole and then I gave them Eris.
Shoutout to the team for not being overly generous despite being friends with Zeos. Shoutout to Zeos for being just awful in this space. I’m not a huge fan of DMS, but at least you get the sense he probably likes/loves listening to his Project Omega. That’s so different from what I suspect Zeos is doing.
Your faces🤯Not a big fan of zeos but you have to remember,a lot of us just want good sound,some want bass,some don't etc.Me I happy with my shozy p20s,got lots of others ie fiio fh7 etc but all u want is good sound.
Ofc we want a deep sub bass, but its the most difficult thing to achive in regards to the working physics involved. You also need high X max for bass, but the worst kind of distortions comes from the coil beeing out of the magnetic gap. On speaker side we now have driver with 2 magnets so when coil goes out of one field it goes into another field so it always see the same constant strength magnetic field. I dont know if any headphone driver have this tech yet..
I don't think so either. However I do think that Focal have cracked the code with the 2022 Utopia headphone (which to my knowledge use a modified speaker driver). At stock they sound alright. Nothing special. But you can push the bass into the stratosphere and have zero impact on the rest of the presentation. They are very amp picky, and the only amp I can personally confirm that works with them is the Feliks Euforia that I personally use. And yes, it does matter. It's not a meme. I run mine with a total of 12db bass boost and at that point there is indeed nothing that can compete with it. If you ever get the chance to try them out, do give them a go. Just make sure you do use a good tube amp and EQ the bass.
@@Aryzon13 2022. It makes a clipping noise when there is significant subbass content eq'd only slightly in that region. This has never happened to you?
So if you're Zeos, you should buy these as they're made for you, otherwise... He should have addressed the distortions and the burn-in parts of the review.
I didn't get to see the review or even get a preview of their opinions before I was asked to send in a rebuttal, and they wanted something WAY different then what I gave them. It would have made me look like a clown if I read their script.
@@ZReviews Hey now, we never actually had a script, and that certainly wasn't the intention of getting a rebuttal. Rather the opposite, we wanted you to provide a palate cleanser of sorts - to repudiate us graph nerds for being graph nerds. What you supplied was perfect.
My left ear seems to crackle/distort on certain music, and a certain length of listening time - which seems odd. Also I got a crack in the left headband glass/plastic area around the extension band. I had to drop the bass right down to enjoy it.
I really like Zeos' point at the end of it, considering, you know, he made this headphone and he could just shill the shit out of it if given the platform. But to say that, like, this isn't the perfect headphone, this isn't the only headphone, this is just a fun headphone. As a psychopath who has over 50 headphones, I like having the Eris because it's just so fucking different you know I said in the tungsten chat I have almost all the sennheiser 600 series headphones and I love them but the eris is different from them to such a degree where it gets pulled out a lot and used a lot especially with gaming and listening to music when i just want to kick back chill have a super fucking comfy headphone that's just gonna be you know Kind of fun and interesting. I respect the review. I don't think that the Eris is a bad headphone. I think it is a wildly different headphone than the measurement crowd would want. But I love it
While I wait for mine to arrive, I will say this. I don't these are for anyone NOT having or looking for a headphone collection. These are very different for when you in the mode for what these deliver. I have 6 pairs, a couple top tier for closed dynamic driver, planar and open (some having both of these). And I have a couple that just sound different. I'm with Zeo's when he liked the NightOwls/Hawks in that, they do not sound conventionally good, just, different. Having a couple of "out-there" is fine by me. Cant wait to try these.
I do not like mid bass. I own a pair of Sony MDR-XB950BT headphones, and not only do I not ever use them (even though I paid $150 for them), but when I occasionally do grab them for a pair of cans, I can't tolerate the built-in bass boost because of the punchy sounding midrange bass that it creates. It just ruins it for me because I know how good low-end bass really sounds with the right pair of cans.
i'd go so far to say, even as low as 40->30hz upslope for an effective "big" bass boost effect actually did the trick for me, granted, on an iem that could support it, and with like, electronic music or cinematic effects shit that contains meaningful information there, now that's plenty fun. while an elevation centered in the 50-60hz that is usually considered fine since it's clear of the mud zone, to me still gives off sort of an unpleasant head-pressury thickness instead of power and vibrancy. to be clear i don't mean 0 boost in the... uh... upper-sub-bass, only lowered relative to the near-infra. given that, tellin me a giant midbass hump 20db above the mids is supposed to make it fun and different i'm like nah dude
Saying “I didnt make these for you” is such a bs cop out. You made a bad product. Own it. Move on. Do better. Your response shows me that I can never trust you as a reviewer z. Trying to blame the consumers because they dont like your trash just says everything that needs to be said about you.
Incorrect. I made these for people who long for more low end in a headphone. And a NOT fully open-back headphone. I know pretty much the sound preferences of all my friends and fellow reviewers. I know what THEY want. And I didn't make the Eris with them in mind. I knew they wouldn't measure even CLOSE to "good" I knew the sound profile would literally OFFEND measurement whores. But I did it anyway because I know what it is like to want something and it not exist. 30% of people into music will love what I brought tot the table and that is fine with me.. I am not here to make a mediocre headphone that holds back so everyone things it is fine.. I don't want fine. I want a cult following from the people who love it.. and Pitchforks and Axes from the people who don't . That is how you build a reputation. Taking the Risks.
Me personally I love bass. But not too much till others drown out. I also learn that I love just a nice amount of bass but I do love my mids too. For the hd600 love them. Love the mid , treble , but the lack of bass just don't feel it. Doesn't sound right. If I eq them it sound weird. For me the aune ar5000. The treble could be ABIT more but it has more bass not super punchy crazy bass . But just enough and the mid is awesome. I don't know what's this call. Neutral headphones? V shape or u shape. But I do love the aune ar5000 sound signature alot. I also do like how the hifiman 400se sound. Really love the sound signature from those. Too. But I will take the aune anyday. The comfort is incredible. The hifiman has a hotspot in the headband. Hd600 clamping force ABIT tight. I did some stretching on them still tight. So ya. Hd58x imo too much sub bass. That it kind of muffle the mid or make it too warm. But when I get use to the sound and eq them they sound alright. But the sub bass imo really good. So it's like a different flavour. So yeah. I more toward neutral bright? Elevated bass , slight elevated treble , slight elevated mids. That brings out female vocals.
Always remember: You listen with your ears, not with the discourse. Also: any FR is gonna be half the story, the other half being the tracks you listen to. Still gonna watch this anyway. I think we need Zeos's out there, because our objective understanding is always playing catch-up to a very complex ground truth (hearing and audio enjoyment is complicated). People who will pursue what sounds right to them, discourse/measurements bedamned, will take the steps to find things other people might not have tried. Or serve a niche the dominant discourse will never serve. So yeah, I hope there are always people like Zeos in audio doing it like he does it.
Finally you guys rephrased the opionion about sound stage. I love soundstage like the NDH30 and Sony MDR M1ST do, but no further, where it makes the rest of the sound get bad.
I really don't get the super scooped mids and the fairly low subbass. Subbass thump is the most exciting part of a heavy bass and I don't think bass enjoyers hate mids so much they don't want the mids to exist.
I bought the Zeus after watching Zeos talking about and it has since then become my favorite headphones ever, but I do EQ it a lot by removing a it of the mid basa mud, increasing the sub bass and taming the highs. I would love to see someone compare the two.
This seems to be THE niche pair of headphones. I mean this in a good way. I like my bright pairs of headphones because they are used for certain purposes. I would like a comparison between these and the Campfire Cascade. It would be fun IMO.
Ya'll need better hobbies, scores of millions of people have listened to billions of songs, on pocket transistor radios, because they actually like music, and not music gear. No one ever said, man I love this song, it has so much meaning for me, but the slight recession at 8750 Hz makes it unlistenable. Unlikable personalities, chasing unobtainable goals, in a insanely niche market. We should all mourn the people that never got to enjoy music because it deviates from a preferential target curve, and God forbid that anyone ever had to listen to music in the 20th century, without the benefit todays clearly "superior " gear.
@@ZReviewsI don't think there is a need to worry, people that like the tuning will still buy them. You have to take into consideration the type of audience on this channel, not all of them are bassheads.
@@Camride they fall outside of the harman research preference boundaries, so the statistical likelihood of them liking it is low. Anythings possible, but we don't view life that way for valid reason.
I hope I didn’t offend you about my questioning . I’m not a reviewer . I love your channel and have bought several items based on your reviews Topping DX9 , Focal Elex . It’s just such a strange circumstance of a review that I have never ever seen anything like . I watch a lot of reviews . These guys , u , passion for sound , Huff, Andrew , Jay , Brit audiophile , wave theory . I love your videos the most . You have the greatest personality .
Two things:
1) I do really hope folks give that EQ profile a try, since I kept it still a bit V-shaped, just with more sub-bass and the rest balanced out a bit more. Yes some may prefer the unhinged levels of mid bass on offer here, but you have to remember that a lot of folks don't fully know what they like until they hear it, so think of this as an opportunity to do just that.
2) Zeos may be the best of us. He KNEW this wasn't going to go well for us graph sniffers, and he had us review it anyways. Give his channel some love: www.youtube.com/@ZReviews
"remember that a lot of folks don't fully know what they like until they hear it".. Exactly my pitch for Eris. Thanks for the review.
@@mattrismatt I searched that item number on Amazon, and all it showed me was canned meat and Zippo lighters... got a better way to find the product?
@@TomStacy1the perforated sheep skin is in the canned meat
unrelated to this video but was wondering if you EQ you Bathys?
@@_Key In a recent podcast, I think he mentioned he was using the "dynamic" profile, but maybe they will clarify.
Every resolve review should come with the disclaimer, his favorite drink is water, his favorite car is a toyota camry, his favorite music is jazz, he is canadian.
He also dislikes HUMAN FALLIBILITY . Just saying.
All of this is correct
The more I learn about audio, the more canadian I get.
@@ZReviews Human fallibility in general is indeed a great source of sadness for me. I would love to be able to take reports from others at face value... but I know that I cannot.
Jazz is a weird callout. If Resolve really is pumpkin spice levels of basic, he'd just listen to whatever was top on the pop charts at any moment in time.
Jazz is the Pagani Zonda, not a Camry.
The frequency response looks like a near perfect inverse of how I actually EQ my headphones. Amazing.
no. its not April first. :) VERY interesting! will need to see what Z says about his headphones too.
Don't listen to me. Read the comments on the forums. or under the other reviews out there. That is where the truth will always lie.
Would there be any particular eq app you would recommend?
The burn in was the treble in Zeos ears leaving forever. Burn in...
Couple weeks ago, I bought a Zeus Elite...it had peaky treble. I had to EQ it out. After a week it was gone.
Whilst Zeos is entertaining, he will make 30-minute videos talking about everything but the actual sound of the product so I cannot watch him anymore as channels like this , wave theory and others are much better for me.
Too bad wavetheory can't blink right
Im way more of the emotional side of listening. How did headphone make me feel. Describing sound is brutal if you are avoiding sounding like everyone else.
It's probably still better than the Grellphone.
Confirmed on twitter
Thanks for the review guys, about what I had predicted. Was hoping at least one of y'all would join the Cult of Eris. Get you next time!
Haven't been a ton of reports about piercing treble, will pursue to see if that is anyone else's issue. Noticed Resolve didn't mention it so it might be a Cameron thing. And while reduced I can guarantee there is indeed midrange just pushed way out in the wild soundstage. As for bass, nobody has called them Muddy. The opposite actually since most "EXTRA BASS" headphones DO tend to be quite muddy.
That Harmonic Distortion / resonance is likely how Eris does Soundstage like it does. You hear the physical echo in the cup which is not something ANY headphone that you measure will do it. Probably being phased out as the frequencies hit the mic twice. Would be interesting to test that.. Not sure how.
Either way it really doesn't matter what any reviewer says (even me). It's all about that owner response and the owner response has been overwhelmingly positive period even people who aren't fans of mine have gotten sets and had their whole ____ turned upside down. Thanks to everyone who supports the project. Don't bully these guys too much! Just a little..
Buncha Wankars!
Well I got my pair, and I am indeed one of the people you said would love them in your review. Are they a neutral headphone? No, but you never claimed them to be. I think some people are definitely having the reaction you wanted.
@@jordanwehler7196Zeos will remain a potent force in audio for decades to come and will exist in digital form well beyond the Singularity. ✌🏻
It looks like you need to get a new accurate measurement rig
I love Zeos, started following ZReviews b/c I found I liked what he likes. He has guided many personal purchases. Bought Eris and have to agree with this review. Mine are unlistenable for me.
I enjoy a different, fun headphone.
We don't all want to rub oil on ourselves and roll around on yoga mats with graphs and charts on them and compare everything to Sundara while humping the HD600.
I mean this is like asking tea aficionados to taste and review vodka.
Tea people would surprise you. These are like Hard Chocolate Milk.
“Immeasurable things scare audiophiles”
How the times are changing. I could’ve swore in the past it was the other way around where measurements scare “Audiophiles” 😅
Oh they do. There are two kinds of audiophiles hahah.
@@ResolveReviews It def works both ways.. MY POWER CABLE IS BEST.. can't measure it. Bankrupt..
MY DAC IS THE MOST LINEAR.. Can measure it, it isn't. Bankrupt..
@@ZReviews We're all doomed.
I don't want to listen with my eyes but sometimes it's hard
Dre became a billionaire from Beats so maybe Zeos is trying for an upgrade to his standard of living with these.
Upvote and Fedora Tilt.
Forgot to mention the price.. 250. And the materials, you said cheap feeling but are Injection molded ABS? Plastic, Glass and Aluminum. The wire is the best part, just a brief mention of that.
I actually like the build a lot better than the other HarmonicDyne headphones I've reviewed. And it looks better than most of them too IMO.
had you charged an additional 0 on the price, they probably would be worshiping these.
@@stevetech5150 LOL not with that FR.
@@stevetech5150 Next time. You got it.
Z didnt you say the replacement headbands would be sold too? I only can find earpads, I want to purchase a replacement headband for my zeus elites.
Now I know why Zeos' reviews often made no sense
You have an anime profile pic.. YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
I agree with Zeos mostly about speakers. Headphones.... My dude is into some freaky stuff.
@@Farengast Its more being bored with what is out there. I can respect greatness but man is the landscape bland.
@@ZReviewsLmaoooo
@@ZReviews 100% agree. I missed unconventional or even esoteric tuning nowadays after the 30th pair of conventional tuned sets.
I used the Geekria tuning discs with mine, to tone down the sibilance. With those installed, I love these. I use them for both music and gaming at my desk. Am I crazy? In more ways than my choice of headphones, absolutely. Does it really matter, given how subjective sound enjoyment is? Nay.
I also enjoy the sorts of headphones you guys like too. For a while I was using it alongside my HD650 in my office. They complement each other fairly well, in my opinion.
I had considered a foam tuning for the rare treble spikes, but overall that hurt the rest of the presentation. Glad you sorted it.
I will say, that last point that Zeos made about "if not for the music then what for?" is a good point of discussion.
I would say he has the wrong end of the proverbial stick. This is ultimately a product for consumer add%cts to add to their collection, instead of searching much more on the music medium itself. The consumption of product is part of their enjoyment instead of being a means to an end to purly experience what they see as the art, the music, exclusively. Those that only use one universal headphone because the headphone isn't part of their enjoyment.
That kinda falls apart when you realise it's ultimately to sell product not music. It's for people who think of their headphones are the artistry that dictates the music. Part of the act. There is nothing wrong with that, but it ultimately comes at the expense of music consumption. You are indexing for what music sounds good with that particular tuning, instead of choosing music based on exposure exclusively. It becomes a limitation for music.
How does that work when most of music sounds horrid on those headphones.
Quoting GoldenSound at the end of the video, "This is very very unusual approach to making a headphone which for most people is probably not going to work", he should really clarify what he means by saying "most people" which most people? the common person on the street that listens to Beats or cheap earbuds from the local gas station? I'm certainly not buying a pair of Eris cans, I know they won't be for me, but I know the average person on the street would probably enjoy them because to the 'untrained' it would sound 'fun' and enjoyable to them.
I remember when I first started listening to music, I just wanted everything to sound like a smiley face EQ, and for a lot of people that is enough, they are happy, for a minority of us it turns into a passion/hobby and our tastes evolve/change, but we shouldn't try to convert people into audiophiles, as a self confessed audiophile myself I believe that is wrong, "oh but if we educated them they would understand that they could have it better', no, stop, not everyone has to fall within your target curve to enjoy music, really, this isn't a religion.
I own a lot of headphones, have experienced some pretty high end gear, but I still always tell people don't go down this road unless you really want to, if you can enjoy your music with your Samsung buds or a little radio with a single mono speaker then maybe that's enough, I'm not going to throw a stone in their pond.
I do agree with Zeos that that there is really is no shortage of well measuring headphones available that 'play it safe', he wanted to create a 'fun' sounding headphone and this is the result, and this is where I strongly disagree with GoldenSounds comment at the end of the video, I think for a lot of people this headphone will equate to 'fun' sounding for them.
Over 50%? Take any honest sampling of people that should hold true. Dude the mid range is gone on those…
You could make these same arguments you’re making with human feces, the essay and all. They need to draw a line - this is a pretty obvious one.
Like what is a bad headphone to you if this isn’t it?
@@sephondranzer I agree the midrange is gone, but like I said, nearly everyone I knew growing up, myself included loved the smiley EQ, high bass, low mids, and high treble, my younger brothers only a few years ago wanted the same, crazy bass and highs, that's all they cared about for years, a lot of people like that sound profile, look how popular Beats were for example! Believe it or not I actually agree with 'most' of what the headphone crew have said, just not with GoldenSounds closing remarks regarding it wouldn't work for most people, people in the audiophile community I agree, but we don't even make up 1% of the total headphone market, not even close, we are a drop in the ocean.
So it's spicy mud? 😂 Hats off to Zeos for sending them to you even though he probably knew this would be the outcome.
It was foreseen in the stars. Written in the Necronomicon and an unchangable pathos we humans must abide.
Z was giving out "Lo-Res" stickers in CanJam London, and the Eris definitely needs one printed on its box 😂
I mean. It would have been funny.
I added one under Zeos' Logo on my signed Eris.
@@AlexandraYumeuwu
@@ZReviewsWhere can I buy your stickers? You have them for all of your channels?
Finally, RayCons in over-ear form /j
When do I get to bang kim? Then break up.. Then start an empire on that fame?
Are RayCons bass heavy? I haven’t even heard of them but looking for bass heavy ones.
They seem like they would be good for the gym. The sound signature would piss me off and I could channel my violent urges into the bar.
Hey a Sale is a Sale. Go for it.
Shouts out to Zeos for the balls to send these to reviewers that in all likelyhood would not like them, and shouts out to The Headphone Show team for not pulling any punches.
Just wait till I get hold of Golden's future Headphone Collab. I will have words.
I appreciate Zeos' sell on the Eris. I've been using CVJ Konoka IEMs lately, $30 tribrid IEMs with a toggleable vibration woofer (as in, it straight up just vibrates) and extremely OD tweeter. I ended up loving them more than my meta harman-tuned "declared perfect" Crinacle IEMs and I use them every day.
We've come so far with regards to accuracy in audio reproduction that we're bringing the crazy designs and sound signatures from the wild west days back for the fun of it, and I really appreciate it.
I am saddened by these. The comfort sounds like I would love it, but I hate it when treble gets too spicy, and this seems like it went too far on that. I don't want to EQ it, at that price point it should just sound good. Golden describes these a lot like I view the HBB Hades IEM, but that IEM is 10% of the price of the Eris, and it has some mid-bass to go with the rest.
Treble is not a common complaint. If you have sensitive issues up there it might not be for you but overall that isn't the consensus.
wait, isn’t the graph just like the sony’s😂😂😂
Im a prtty ordinary looking human being which is why you wont see videos of me pulling faces whilst listening to headphones. Or speakers. Or any kind of rap 'music'. We get it - you didnt like the headphone - there is no need to torture the rest of us.
Sometimes the quest for the One True Frequency Response is not the only path.
It is the right one, though. That doesn't equate to there only being one option.
The Eris cans have replaced my HD6xx's as daily drivers. FUN is exactly right.
Resolve, DMS, GoldenSound are autistic graph chasers. I'm not even a Zeos guy, but his rebuttal is spot on. These headphones aren't for you guys. The more you talk about objectivity, the more you push others in the hobby away that have philosophies closer to his.
"Arnt for you" is just is copium. A good headphone is for everyone, and we have many examples.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 define "good". Some define good as a headphone that allows them to enjoy their music; an engaging headphone. Others define good as a headphone that has a frequency response that reproduces sounds and instruments that are true to life. I'm in the latter camp, but I'm not so autistic and full of self importance that I deny the former.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 I think its more like a 30-40-30 split on all great headphones. 30 love, 30 hate, 40 don't care either way. I rather make a headphone revered by the Basseheads and hated by graph sniffers then one just OK with everybody and unoffensive.
Bassier than Meze 99's? Those were quite a bit dark sounding and treble wasn't launching a cruise missile into your eardrums.
Such a missed opportunity to call it a toast on toast type of sandwhich.
You may be interested to learn that Wikipedia has an article on the "toast sandwich"!
@@noah_the_nerd that is exactly what I was referring to, yea
@@YTHandlesWereAMistake Ah, apologies for underestimating you! Glad to see a fellow toast sandwich enjoyer in the wild.
man Zeos' gotta change their logo it looks like garbage, its so sad the rest of the construction looks really nice
"In 2011, NPD Group reported that Beats' market share was 64% in the U.S. for headphones priced higher than $100, and the brand was valued at $1 billion in September 2013.[3][4]"
I can totally see why Z would take that approach.
Imagine Beats... But Good in other areas?!
@@ZReviews ❤
Always down for a good ol' Tyll tribute.
It seems as if y'all were as kind as you could have been. For all the hard punches you were still holding back. That's cool in my book. I hope Zeos isn't discouraged. This is just the first iteration.
I thought they punched pretty hard considering.
The Eris FR profile reminds me a bit of the Amiron Home with a upper base bump starting from lower mids and a pronounced wideband 2k dip, obviously not to the level like the Eris. Still the Amiron is my favorite headphone amongst my HD600, HD620S, HD560S, admittedly I do EQ the Amiron to bring the bump down and the dip up a bit.
I get the FR of the Eris. As for the treble, as I'm in my early 50s and can't hear that much beyond 7k at my preferred listening volume that is low like 50dB & below measured at 1cm from the driver with a real SPL meter, the typical Beyer 8k - 9k treble peak doesn't bother me one bit but likely helps me to hear it a bit better instead. This may explain why some find the Eris treble troublesome like Cameron who can still hear close to 20kHz, while some would find the treble OK.
I like the honesty as always.
I'd be ok with like 10% less
@@ZReviews I respect how well you take the criticism though. Also funny response^^
Some ZMF tuning mesh?
Does it defeat
Young people love bass there’s a higher majority of bass lovers.
And if you see me walking down the line
With my favorite honky tonk in mind
Well, I'll be here around supper time
With my can(s) .... and a bunch of wine
Beer drinkers and hell raisers, yeah
Baby, don't you want to come with me?
I've been using them daily for a few weeks now and my opinion is if I could have one pair of headphones, it would probably not be Eris. But the second absolutely would be. It's different and fun and for what I've listened to so far, enjoyable. Not to mention they're exceedingly comfortable.
You are the person I am looking for. 2nd favorite in a collection is something to be proud of.
Headphones tuned for Tinky Winky. No surprises there...
Who is this man and how do I meet him?
Actually my DT150's & my Eris both sound great. These beta boys don't like it?
repeat after me folks: Eris pads her Chest
repeat the word see the truth
Amen
I didn't eq, then I did, then I purchased Sonarworks SoundID ref and used this incl. headphone profiles. Then I used the neutral profile to .. eq with FR graphs. Then I realized for speakers to correct for room it made sense but for headphones I was basically making my HD800S and HD600 amd HE 1000se and D8000 and Hedd2 and Liric and LCDXC sound ... THE SAME! I no longer EQ headphones and if I can't enjoy them I sell em (liek the LCDXC, Liric). Based on what I understand, I would likely not enjoy these given I'm Canadian and love Jazz lol! Not crazy about too heavy a V tuning. But, if I draw a food analogy, my taste in spice in terms of hot spice it is probably way higher than any normal spice curve would show and my love of scotch and dark roast black no sugar coffee also not likely fitting flavor curve avg I will not judge these and can understand and believe some will love and enjoy. As long as you can enjoy the music you love all is good.
Hey just FYI you can put in a code to sonarworks to turn it into a regular EQ program that works for headphone adjustments! “launch SoundID Reference -> click on Add new output in the left sidebar-> Add new preset -> Add a new headphone profile -> at the bottom of the left sidebar click on “Individual calibration” -> enter this code: AA000A -> finish adding the profile. This will provide a flat profile and you can also use the Custom Target to create custom target curve presets.”
So this is what Zeos preferable tuning is lmao
Well it started out as filling a gap in the market. Then it turned into something I truly love. Ain't no real nice BASS headphones out there. Just headphones that happen to do bass and not enough of it.
It would have been interesting for you to have somebody on who loves this set as a counter-balance to this presentation.
Do you mean Zeos..?
@@mm7963 Actually, I was thinking a 3rd party reviewer who liked the product, and had nothing to do with the headphone would have made a good addition to the vid.
@@mm7963 HBB would have been fine. Or Mars Marslander. Not too many others have been sent Eris. It would be fine to just have read some positive reviews on comments elsewhere to balance.
Reminds me of that Simpsons ep where Homer designs a car for his brother company.
That did come to mind once I knew people were going to measure her
Looks like Harmonic Dyne made these based on their look….
They are a direct copy of the not so successful Athena that came years before. I suppose they wanted to try and sell something using the framework they made so they tried with Black Hole and then I gave them Eris.
Z is taking Golden and Resolve to court over this review😮
Unlike DCS.. Zeos follows through!
@@ZReviews😂😂
Shoutout to the team for not being overly generous despite being friends with Zeos.
Shoutout to Zeos for being just awful in this space. I’m not a huge fan of DMS, but at least you get the sense he probably likes/loves listening to his Project Omega. That’s so different from what I suspect Zeos is doing.
I mean. OK. I legit sleep with Eris on but whatev's
@@ZReviews
I mean, you’re such a transparent gross liar, but whatev’s.
Your faces🤯Not a big fan of zeos but you have to remember,a lot of us just want good sound,some want bass,some don't etc.Me I happy with my shozy p20s,got lots of others ie fiio fh7 etc but all u want is good sound.
Ofc we want a deep sub bass, but its the most difficult thing to achive in regards to the working physics involved. You also need high X max for bass, but the worst kind of distortions comes from the coil beeing out of the magnetic gap. On speaker side we now have driver with 2 magnets so when coil goes out of one field it goes into another field so it always see the same constant strength magnetic field. I dont know if any headphone driver have this tech yet..
So what you are saying... Is my next one needs a subwoofer attached. And to hire a scientist.
I don't think so either.
However I do think that Focal have cracked the code with the 2022 Utopia headphone (which to my knowledge use a modified speaker driver).
At stock they sound alright. Nothing special. But you can push the bass into the stratosphere and have zero impact on the rest of the presentation.
They are very amp picky, and the only amp I can personally confirm that works with them is the Feliks Euforia that I personally use. And yes, it does matter. It's not a meme.
I run mine with a total of 12db bass boost and at that point there is indeed nothing that can compete with it.
If you ever get the chance to try them out, do give them a go. Just make sure you do use a good tube amp and EQ the bass.
@@Aryzon13 are you sure they don't bottom out? My sample did.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 Original or the 2022 version?
@@Aryzon13 2022. It makes a clipping noise when there is significant subbass content eq'd only slightly in that region. This has never happened to you?
So if you're Zeos, you should buy these as they're made for you, otherwise...
He should have addressed the distortions and the burn-in parts of the review.
I didn't get to see the review or even get a preview of their opinions before I was asked to send in a rebuttal, and they wanted something WAY different then what I gave them. It would have made me look like a clown if I read their script.
@@ZReviews Hey now, we never actually had a script, and that certainly wasn't the intention of getting a rebuttal. Rather the opposite, we wanted you to provide a palate cleanser of sorts - to repudiate us graph nerds for being graph nerds. What you supplied was perfect.
Glad to see no one has yet commented before watching the video in its entirety..?
My left ear seems to crackle/distort on certain music, and a certain length of listening time - which seems odd. Also I got a crack in the left headband glass/plastic area around the extension band.
I had to drop the bass right down to enjoy it.
Its likely the wires inside the cup. Open it up. Rotate the driver plate or tape the wires and re-assemble.. It happens on a small number of them.
@@ZReviews That's not the answer. If I buy a headphone, I expect it to work properly, not disassemble it to fix it, that's on you to replace it.
Are these meant to be Fat Freq inspired perhaps?
People have HIGH praise of those. So I will take the comparison.
I really like Zeos' point at the end of it, considering, you know, he made this headphone and he could just shill the shit out of it if given the platform. But to say that, like, this isn't the perfect headphone, this isn't the only headphone, this is just a fun headphone. As a psychopath who has over 50 headphones, I like having the Eris because it's just so fucking different you know I said in the tungsten chat I have almost all the sennheiser 600 series headphones and I love them but the eris is different from them to such a degree where it gets pulled out a lot and used a lot especially with gaming and listening to music when i just want to kick back chill have a super fucking comfy headphone that's just gonna be you know Kind of fun and interesting. I respect the review. I don't think that the Eris is a bad headphone. I think it is a wildly different headphone than the measurement crowd would want. But I love it
While I wait for mine to arrive, I will say this.
I don't these are for anyone NOT having or looking for a headphone collection. These are very different for when you in the mode for what these deliver. I have 6 pairs, a couple top tier for closed dynamic driver, planar and open (some having both of these). And I have a couple that just sound different.
I'm with Zeo's when he liked the NightOwls/Hawks in that, they do not sound conventionally good, just, different. Having a couple of "out-there" is fine by me. Cant wait to try these.
The fact you guys hate it, means that it’s a fun headphone, as I’ve clearly seen over time, fun isn’t something you guys seem to like much…
Maybe they dont have a purchase validation addiction and use the music as their enjoyment? Just a thought.
When people say "audiophiles only listen to their gear and not music" , they're describing you.
Wym @@enjoshi-godrez8775
12:22
These headphones sound like "walking through a swamp; occasionally getting impaled by spikes."
Ouch! 😟
I do not like mid bass. I own a pair of Sony MDR-XB950BT headphones, and not only do I not ever use them (even though I paid $150 for them), but when I occasionally do grab them for a pair of cans, I can't tolerate the built-in bass boost because of the punchy sounding midrange bass that it creates. It just ruins it for me because I know how good low-end bass really sounds with the right pair of cans.
i'd go so far to say, even as low as 40->30hz upslope for an effective "big" bass boost effect actually did the trick for me, granted, on an iem that could support it, and with like, electronic music or cinematic effects shit that contains meaningful information there, now that's plenty fun. while an elevation centered in the 50-60hz that is usually considered fine since it's clear of the mud zone, to me still gives off sort of an unpleasant head-pressury thickness instead of power and vibrancy. to be clear i don't mean 0 boost in the... uh... upper-sub-bass, only lowered relative to the near-infra. given that, tellin me a giant midbass hump 20db above the mids is supposed to make it fun and different i'm like nah dude
Pancakes with no syrup? Or just syrup and nothing else?
Just a plate of Syrup and Butter. And powdered sugar. So much sugar
@@ZReviewssounds like a treat!
If the HBB Hades was a headphone.
Near similar color scheme.
...and both inspired by Greek mythology as well.
Saying “I didnt make these for you” is such a bs cop out. You made a bad product. Own it. Move on. Do better. Your response shows me that I can never trust you as a reviewer z. Trying to blame the consumers because they dont like your trash just says everything that needs to be said about you.
Incorrect. I made these for people who long for more low end in a headphone. And a NOT fully open-back headphone. I know pretty much the sound preferences of all my friends and fellow reviewers. I know what THEY want. And I didn't make the Eris with them in mind. I knew they wouldn't measure even CLOSE to "good" I knew the sound profile would literally OFFEND measurement whores. But I did it anyway because I know what it is like to want something and it not exist. 30% of people into music will love what I brought tot the table and that is fine with me.. I am not here to make a mediocre headphone that holds back so everyone things it is fine.. I don't want fine. I want a cult following from the people who love it.. and Pitchforks and Axes from the people who don't . That is how you build a reputation. Taking the Risks.
FIRST!!!
Me personally I love bass. But not too much till others drown out.
I also learn that I love just a nice amount of bass but I do love my mids too.
For the hd600 love them. Love the mid , treble , but the lack of bass just don't feel it. Doesn't sound right. If I eq them it sound weird.
For me the aune ar5000. The treble could be ABIT more but it has more bass not super punchy crazy bass . But just enough and the mid is awesome.
I don't know what's this call. Neutral headphones? V shape or u shape. But I do love the aune ar5000 sound signature alot.
I also do like how the hifiman 400se sound. Really love the sound signature from those. Too. But I will take the aune anyday. The comfort is incredible.
The hifiman has a hotspot in the headband.
Hd600 clamping force ABIT tight. I did some stretching on them still tight. So ya.
Hd58x imo too much sub bass. That it kind of muffle the mid or make it too warm. But when I get use to the sound and eq them they sound alright. But the sub bass imo really good. So it's like a different flavour. So yeah.
I more toward neutral bright? Elevated bass , slight elevated treble , slight elevated mids. That brings out female vocals.
How does the skullcandy crusher evo compare? Better bass or worse than Eris?
So Cameron considers these superior to one of the most successful audio products of all time. High praise indeed😅
Me and Eminem will be promoting them any day now.
Has he ever reviewed the Zu speakers in the background there?
Ok, I'm sold. How much are these?
About two fitty
Your dignity
My LCDX (21) tho heavy …have a solid bass and fun performance 🎧🫨
I’m team Zeos on this one.. it gets a little boring when all headphones have coherent balance to them.. bring on the WONK ! 😁
Wonk woNk kWonk Whoonk PHONK.. Listen to Phonk on them. Brazillian Phonk
👍🌟🌟👍
Always remember: You listen with your ears, not with the discourse. Also: any FR is gonna be half the story, the other half being the tracks you listen to.
Still gonna watch this anyway.
I think we need Zeos's out there, because our objective understanding is always playing catch-up to a very complex ground truth (hearing and audio enjoyment is complicated). People who will pursue what sounds right to them, discourse/measurements bedamned, will take the steps to find things other people might not have tried. Or serve a niche the dominant discourse will never serve. So yeah, I hope there are always people like Zeos in audio doing it like he does it.
Zeos is a car salesman.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 You are just cruising the comments like me.. Only so anti me.
Thanks Smitheroons.
I knew it, when you posted that desert headphones 😅
When’s Nobel fokus apollo review coming out?
Finally you guys rephrased the opionion about sound stage. I love soundstage like the NDH30 and Sony MDR M1ST do, but no further, where it makes the rest of the sound get bad.
NDH30 so good.
Most HP/IEMs are bass boosted garbage really!.
I really don't get the super scooped mids and the fairly low subbass. Subbass thump is the most exciting part of a heavy bass and I don't think bass enjoyers hate mids so much they don't want the mids to exist.
I feel like the sub-bass is there, its just ALL bass all the time. Mid, Sub, River.. all the Bass
same, my cans are missing nothing in the bass spectrum. I found the mids can be recessed, depending on what they are plugged into. ymmv.
The next HUGE risk, how about the Drop+Grell x Z Collab. I frickin' dare you! 🥳 The ultra violence perhaps?
I think I could improve them.. But then again fire could also improve them.. A high fall. Plague. Any number of things.
good grief that thumbnail is cringe
Please spread it around.
I bought the Zeus after watching Zeos talking about and it has since then become my favorite headphones ever, but I do EQ it a lot by removing a it of the mid basa mud, increasing the sub bass and taming the highs.
I would love to see someone compare the two.
They actually mentioned the Zeus in the video...
10:07 because they are openbacks
This seems to be THE niche pair of headphones. I mean this in a good way. I like my bright pairs of headphones because they are used for certain purposes. I would like a comparison between these and the Campfire Cascade. It would be fun IMO.
bruh stop justifying bad headphones
@@tradehut2782 "bad" headphones can be used for a specific purpose, not "if I had to pick just 1". That's my point here.
So they sound like mezes 99 neos?
Only one thing left to do here. GET THE LAWYERS!
I will represent myself. Nobody better at BSing for 3 hours straight that I know.
Exactly what I imagined your reaction would be in thumbnail..😂😂
Why is the padding purple in the thumbnail? 🤔
Color correction too strong.
Ya'll need better hobbies, scores of millions of people have listened to billions of songs, on pocket transistor radios, because they actually like music, and not music gear. No one ever said, man I love this song, it has so much meaning for me, but the slight recession at 8750 Hz makes it unlistenable. Unlikable personalities, chasing unobtainable goals, in a insanely niche market. We should all mourn the people that never got to enjoy music because it deviates from a preferential target curve, and God forbid that anyone ever had to listen to music in the 20th century, without the benefit todays clearly "superior " gear.
Brother, its their hobby. No one forced you to come and watch this video created by people you don't like. I hope you find a good hobbie for you.
This is such a fun review 🤣
Felt like a history test I forgot to study for. Flashbacks. Bad ones.
@@ZReviewsI don't think there is a need to worry, people that like the tuning will still buy them. You have to take into consideration the type of audience on this channel, not all of them are bassheads.
I bought one and I love it!! ❤😂 just fun headphone for music and bass.
he should add hd600 drivers inside nobody gonna know.
I'd know.. and run with it.
I stopped watching zeos content because he recommended a pair of swan tws and I bought them and they were pure crap.
I find it hard to believe that anyone can like a headphone with that weird frequency range.
They don't measure well. Part of the mystique. Using literal echo in the cups to make soundstage.
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You have to try them, measuring well was never the intended outcome of the Eris.
@@Camride they fall outside of the harman research preference boundaries, so the statistical likelihood of them liking it is low. Anythings possible, but we don't view life that way for valid reason.
@@Camride they're not going to like it. Leave it and grow up.
seeing golden suffer brings me joy
Still angry about that whole tea thing we did.
haolo
Really after thinking about this why is there even a review on this niche of a niche of a niche device ? Because you are all friends ?
Its all of our jobs to review everything. EVERYTHING. The order is all that changes.
I hope I didn’t offend you about my questioning . I’m not a reviewer . I love your channel and have bought several items based on your reviews Topping DX9 , Focal Elex . It’s just such a strange circumstance of a review that I have never ever seen anything like . I watch a lot of reviews . These guys , u , passion for sound , Huff, Andrew , Jay , Brit audiophile , wave theory . I love your videos the most . You have the greatest personality .
first shot of z contains anime feet, yep.
There could be no other way.
Hifiman HE R9; but with a less balanced presentation?
R9 got nothin' on Eris.. That either intrigues you or scares you.
@@ZReviews ha! Not scared.