Love these guys, Got a 760 and T2000 ADSB in my Jab, they have always gone "above and beyond" to help/answer any questions I asked. have no affiliation with them and have paid for all my gear. 🙂
amazing technology i just feel like its so simple and way to many thing can fail and go wrong with such a slim and simple design but would love to see this get certified and replace the standard steam gauges
I could see the FAA wanting some kind of back up so maybe they would want two of the head units to ensure that if one head unit fails you still have everything or even like a g5 as back up. I like the idea that any screen can display any instrument so even in the event of screen failures you can still access the instruments. Based on my almost decade of flying old style six pack is a whole lot less reliable than the new electronic systems. I have seen 5 attitude indicators fail but i have never seen a g5 AV30 or even Avidyne products fail. I have only ever seen a G1000 shut down once from a student landing really hard.
@@cheesepilot from my perspective as a ppl exp builder and LAME, dojng cal checks on instruments, mechanical asi’s for example, at 40 years old, are usually correct when there is a discrepancy with electronics. Altimeters are even more so. Still, i have a dynon flight deck D180 in one of my planes and aside for those cals occasionslly, at 15 tears old its bedn great. Unfortunately when it does fail ill probably have to re make my panel rather than just a repair. Electronics become unmaintainable regularly due to product life cycles
@@cheesepilot yep i have both tfl2000 and com760. Both still working okay. Garmin regularly replace part numbers due to part obsolescence though. As size goes down and capability goes up the electronic parts have short lifecycles. Especially mems sensors.
Thanks @@cheesepilot, lots of our customers fly VFR so a single system is fine. The ultimate IFR option is two T3000 cores, one with a VHF Radio, Nav sensors and battery and the second with a transponder, Nav sensors and battery. It then is fully redundant air data, AHRS and GPS with two screens kept alive for 90mins following a complete power failure and of course that data continues to be streamed to your EFB which has its own battery as well. Fully compliant with the FARs for IFR flight and isn’t much more expensive. We will be putting some bundles on our website next month and this will be one of them.
Awesome to see how micro avionics are headed. Only fear with this setup is that all other gauges are daisy chained from the central unit. If something happens to it do all the other gauges lose data? I would like to think they thought of that. These also remind me of my nest thermostat at home!
i mean thats no different than a g1000 it doesnt have a back up ahrs or adc. I could see a certified instilation of this system required some kinda back up like a g5 or standby efis. I mean even airliners require standby instruments in the event of failure.
Wow. Amazing for the price. Especially that they don't need that heavy suction pump inside the airplane. But if I had the money to go for something like the G3X touch or generally any other screen, I'd prefer it to the old 6 pack. But the price is sooo good. Unfortunately it will surely rise after certification. FAA can always make your life hard.
It's too late for the current FAA Reauthorization Bill, but the FAA should change the certification process so that the product flow from Experimental to Certified is much simpler and cheaper. Most avionics could be certified for all similar aircraft at once, i.e. single engine Cessnas, Pipers, Beechcraft, etc.
@@gap9992 It’s a good thought but I didn’t see two sets of serial ports on those assignable displays which would mean that to have two of them would need two sets of those displays. A great many small engine birds don’t have the instrument panel room for two sets.
I wish them well but I can’t see it happening with the Faa for certify, a certified aircraft with this set up will need some kind of back up and one unit powering all of those displays is a single point failure. Might need a separate unit something like I don’t know G5 in case the main unit goes tu. If this guys get any track in the industry it will get buy out by Garmin
This could be an excellent redundant six pack for people going for glass cockpit. Remove the backup steam guages and get these ... sleek, modern and lightweight.
I'm trying to get through on their phone number... I keep getting a message that says their number is out of service. Did you get another number, or do they have a dealer/ distributor in the States?
@@cheesepilot that’s the head unity with VHF XPONDER and 5 more displays? I’m looking this set but only need one extra display don’t need all 5, but the I don’t reply my email
thats great alot of people have certified aircraft and are looking for an affordable option and currently the only option on the market for glass adc and ahrs that keeps the six pack feel is the gi275 at 3500-8500 a piece
@@cheesepilot I’ve owned certified aircraft and experimental. I would never own a certified again. You have no control over ADs that come out of nowhere and suddenly end up costing you tens of thousands of dollars. Plus comparatively speaking the maintenance is far more expensive on certified aircraft.
Gps jamming? Been flying for almost a decade and I've never seen gps jamming in the US. I have seen vacuum pumps fail, I have seen attitude indicators fail I have seen heading indicators fail. Also this doesn't use gps to provide attitude or heading information. It uses solid state gyros like those in your phone and a magnetometer. Obviously more precise than the ones in your phone
@@cheesepilotThe military plays with GPS jamming periodically a few hundred miles from where I live. They put out a notice to airmen when they do this.
Hi @topofthegreen, the air data and AHRS is not at all reliant on the GPS so no issue there. The traditional 6 pack with separate vacuum and electric power sources provides a degree of redundancy which is improved upon with the battery backed up fully redundant sensors in the T3000. Check my other reply on here for details.
Absolute genius. Using tech as it could and should be to provide maximum value and function to the customers. Aviation safety is so critical, but the certification process is so 20th century. Like DOT and many other US government organizations, the FAA has a real "not invented here" syndrome. We should be sharing with Europe and harmonizing the requirements and certifications, thus streamlining the cost to manufactures and benefitting the end user. Maybe I'm naive in thinking this. Nonetheless; stating it simplistically: there are unrealized economies of scale because governments won't work together resulting in repeated travesties to the public. We could do better. Why will we not do so?!?
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I wish all that was certified as well. Just brilliant.
But why would anybody need six nest thermostats in their airplane?
Monitor each cylinder
Love these guys, Got a 760 and T2000 ADSB in my Jab, they have always gone "above and beyond" to help/answer any questions I asked. have no affiliation with them and have paid for all my gear. 🙂
Clever user interface. Solves the problem of the really expensive 8 and 10" screens.
Yep my airplane can't fit those big screens that's what really drew me to this
Looks fabulous! If I had an older aircraft, I’d be super interested in this stuff.
I think an angle of attack indicator would be very cool
Hi @Mark-mm2px we are working on it. Watch this space :-)
Exciting tech to be sure
Depth finder on my seaplane, yes please.
amazing technology i just feel like its so simple and way to many thing can fail and go wrong with such a slim and simple design but would love to see this get certified and replace the standard steam gauges
I could see the FAA wanting some kind of back up so maybe they would want two of the head units to ensure that if one head unit fails you still have everything or even like a g5 as back up. I like the idea that any screen can display any instrument so even in the event of screen failures you can still access the instruments. Based on my almost decade of flying old style six pack is a whole lot less reliable than the new electronic systems. I have seen 5 attitude indicators fail but i have never seen a g5 AV30 or even Avidyne products fail. I have only ever seen a G1000 shut down once from a student landing really hard.
@@cheesepilot from my perspective as a ppl exp builder and LAME, dojng cal checks on instruments, mechanical asi’s for example, at 40 years old, are usually correct when there is a discrepancy with electronics. Altimeters are even more so.
Still, i have a dynon flight deck D180 in one of my planes and aside for those cals occasionslly, at 15 tears old its bedn great. Unfortunately when it does fail ill probably have to re make my panel rather than just a repair. Electronics become unmaintainable regularly due to product life cycles
@@davefoord1259 idk microair has been around for 25 years and they repair all their equipment. Seems pretty serviceable to me 🤷♂️
@@cheesepilot yep i have both tfl2000 and com760. Both still working okay.
Garmin regularly replace part numbers due to part obsolescence though.
As size goes down and capability goes up the electronic parts have short lifecycles. Especially mems sensors.
Thanks @@cheesepilot, lots of our customers fly VFR so a single system is fine. The ultimate IFR option is two T3000 cores, one with a VHF Radio, Nav sensors and battery and the second with a transponder, Nav sensors and battery. It then is fully redundant air data, AHRS and GPS with two screens kept alive for 90mins following a complete power failure and of course that data continues to be streamed to your EFB which has its own battery as well. Fully compliant with the FARs for IFR flight and isn’t much more expensive. We will be putting some bundles on our website next month and this will be one of them.
I would be nice to serial buss it to a large screen PFD like the airliners have
Definitely would opt for a backup “box”..
Awesome to see how micro avionics are headed. Only fear with this setup is that all other gauges are daisy chained from the central unit. If something happens to it do all the other gauges lose data? I would like to think they thought of that.
These also remind me of my nest thermostat at home!
i mean thats no different than a g1000 it doesnt have a back up ahrs or adc. I could see a certified instilation of this system required some kinda back up like a g5 or standby efis. I mean even airliners require standby instruments in the event of failure.
@@cheesepilot true. Like you said certified would need. Redundant back up system.
A great option is dual Nav sensors each with a battery. Fully redundant that way.
I would love to have that airspeed display in the pattern. Experimental at it's best.
For those that didn't wanna do the math that's 4lbs 13 oz (2.183kg) all in.
Slick as snot
Very nice!!! But yes, those fish symbols will be an upcharge 😂. I'd love to get my paws on the certified stack. Thanks for sharing!!
Wow. Amazing for the price. Especially that they don't need that heavy suction pump inside the airplane. But if I had the money to go for something like the G3X touch or generally any other screen, I'd prefer it to the old 6 pack. But the price is sooo good. Unfortunately it will surely rise after certification. FAA can always make your life hard.
Great looking kit. My only question is about redundancy. If the master unit fails, you lose everything. How is that addressed?
I'm assuming the FAA would require either two head units or like a G5 as back up
Nice for an old C150
I hope garmin doesn't buy them and shut them down
It's too late for the current FAA Reauthorization Bill, but the FAA should change the certification process so that the product flow from Experimental to Certified is much simpler and cheaper. Most avionics could be certified for all similar aircraft at once, i.e. single engine Cessnas, Pipers, Beechcraft, etc.
I hope they get this right. Everything in one box can mean a possible everything failure, too.
This was my first thought. What ever happened to redundancy?
You just have two of them, which is no hardship given the reasonable price!
@@gap9992 It’s a good thought but I didn’t see two sets of serial ports on those assignable displays which would mean that to have two of them would need two sets of those displays. A great many small engine birds don’t have the instrument panel room for two sets.
Crazy! Cool
I wish them well but I can’t see it happening with the Faa for certify, a certified aircraft with this set up will need some kind of back up and one unit powering all of those displays is a single point failure. Might need a separate unit something like I don’t know G5 in case the main unit goes tu. If this guys get any track in the industry it will get buy out by Garmin
I could see the FAA requiring two head units
Looks like my “Nest” home thermostat🤣. Nice option tho for those who can afford a G3X touch
Fish finder 😂😂😂❤
This could be an excellent redundant six pack for people going for glass cockpit. Remove the backup steam guages and get these ... sleek, modern and lightweight.
Looks like a Nest thermostat
And made where ????🤔🤔
Australia
Brisbane Australia
I'm trying to get through on their phone number... I keep getting a message that says their number is out of service. Did you get another number, or do they have a dealer/ distributor in the States?
I don't know of any USA contact but I know they are responsive from the contact is form on the page
Anyone knows the prices?
Estimated 5k for the set
@@cheesepilot that’s the head unity with VHF XPONDER and 5 more displays?
I’m looking this set but only need one extra display don’t need all 5, but the I don’t reply my email
@@cmtetaboaco I think they've closed orders for this system right now I think it's 5k for the whole set experimental only right now
@cheesepilot it's $5k for the head unit & $695 for each of the round displays. So a little over 8k to replace your 6-pack. 😊
@@mikepowell3335 from Oshkosh talking to them it seemed like 5kish for the whole system including all the displays I could have misunderstood though
Dude, you’re kind of not getting it ! ONE Garmin G5 is basically your WHOLE six pack. It’s about bringing your scan from SIX instruments to ONE.
One G5 can't be your primary pitotstatic information even 6 g5s can't be your pitotstatic instruments
@@cheesepilot
One G5 is perfectly acceptable in an experimental aircraft. It’s what I have in my aircraft.
thats great alot of people have certified aircraft and are looking for an affordable option and currently the only option on the market for glass adc and ahrs that keeps the six pack feel is the gi275 at 3500-8500 a piece
@@cheesepilot
I’ve owned certified aircraft and experimental. I would never own a certified again. You have no control over ADs that come out of nowhere and suddenly end up costing you tens of thousands of dollars. Plus comparatively speaking the maintenance is far more expensive on certified aircraft.
if it's any good, Garmin will buy them out and bury it...
I don't know microair has been around for about 25 years. Making really good small radios & transponder and Garmin hasn't bought them yet
👍
bootha?
No. If I’m keeping the same form factor, I’m not spending any money to digitize analog gauges and create more potential for failure.
How does that increase the potential for failure?
I would think the old six pack to be more reliable and not subject to GPS jamming which happens a lot.
gps jamming happens a lot less than a vacuum pump blowing itself
Gps jamming? Been flying for almost a decade and I've never seen gps jamming in the US. I have seen vacuum pumps fail, I have seen attitude indicators fail I have seen heading indicators fail. Also this doesn't use gps to provide attitude or heading information. It uses solid state gyros like those in your phone and a magnetometer. Obviously more precise than the ones in your phone
@@cheesepilotThe military plays with GPS jamming periodically a few hundred miles from where I live. They put out a notice to airmen when they do this.
Hi @topofthegreen, the air data and AHRS is not at all reliant on the GPS so no issue there. The traditional 6 pack with separate vacuum and electric power sources provides a degree of redundancy which is improved upon with the battery backed up fully redundant sensors in the T3000. Check my other reply on here for details.
Does anyone want to donate their 6 pack to me? I’ll take old pack
Absolute genius. Using tech as it could and should be to provide maximum value and function to the customers. Aviation safety is so critical, but the certification process is so 20th century. Like DOT and many other US government organizations, the FAA has a real "not invented here" syndrome. We should be sharing with Europe and harmonizing the requirements and certifications, thus streamlining the cost to manufactures and benefitting the end user. Maybe I'm naive in thinking this. Nonetheless; stating it simplistically: there are unrealized economies of scale because governments won't work together resulting in repeated travesties to the public. We could do better. Why will we not do so?!?