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a couple of suggestions...for seat-post I went with a Mt.Zoom Carbon post (144g), Stem Kaloy Uno Super-light + Ti Bolts (90g), Easton EC70 Cranks (351g), XTR Cassette (330g), Wolftooth oval chainring (72g), 2 KCNC rotors (136g), Easton EC70 handlebar (217g), Ebay no name carbon saddle (87g), JRC Kumo Seat clamp 6.6g), Farsport wheels (1365g) and Alligator I-Link shifter housing. I got My trek Crocket7 from 9.1kg to 7.55Kg. All weights are actual.
Tenatious _E, thanks for good suggestions, but there is a reason I chose what I have on the bike right now. I didn’t have an objective to build the lightest bike possible. For that I have Specialized Crux (see video on my channel), which I have further upgraded after the video and it is now 6.8 kg. For this bike I needed a good value for money and comfort. P.S. Sram XG-1195 cassette is lighter than XTR (265g) ;)
I just discovered your channel...and watched all your videos yesterday. Very enjoyable. Your videos are very well made, I like your relaxed and humorous narrating style, and your bike smarts are impressive and useful and entertaining. I'm thinking you must be a busy guy outside of cycling or you would have more content, such as actually riding your Topstone rebuild on roads and trails, actually riding and camping in the cross-Britain event, as well as some of your favourite rides around London (or anywhere). Your style reminds me of Rides of Japan, one of my favourite channels on YT. Thanks for your content.
T McD thanks a lot! Comments like that keep me doing this. I do have a full-time 50h-ish work in the office, therefore, can only release videos once per month (if I’m lucky)...
I have the same model and upgraded with a 105 groupset I had and better wheels too. I love the frame and ride character. I have a new 650B wheelset coming soon for some more rugged adventures. And I agree, the paint is amazing - especially in the sunlight.
Epic job, great video. Cant find that vulcan green anywhere now!!! Best color on any gravel bike period. Killer upgrades. Better keep that one in the safe 😉
Amazing video man! You won a new subscriber from Italy! I have a question, of all the improvements you’ve made, from what you would agree to start to gain more weight and improve performance? Because I would like to make upgrades step by step! Thanks! Bye
Great video, thank you for sharing. I’m now divided between this bike Topstone and the Genesis Vapour, but this green is growing on me, hope to find some sale on Topstone. Keep the great work.
Does this have internal routing for a dropper post? Coming from an mtb background and looking for a budget gravel bike with internal dropper post routing isn't easy.
Good evening. I have the same bike and now I want to upgrade it. !!! Could you please send me the link of the thru axles as I’m not sure if all the threads differ. Thank you.
it would be very interesant to see the comparison between the weights from each part (old and new). Also, you got very good deals, i cant even get to reduce the weight of my bike in 2.6 kgs and even if i try to get closer, it means to spend a crazy amount of money. Very good content!
Thanks Pancho. Finding good deals is a long process, so you have to be patient. I started looking for parts for the bike even before I actually bought it :)
Excellent video buddy! I agree that that frame has the nicest paint in the Topstone range. Looking forward to watching more of your videos👍 Much respect from Mark in Scotland!
Hey, thank you for this video, so many interesting upgrade for a Topston owner!! Do you think it would be possibile to fit a double chainring (and have it to properly work with a front derailleur) with that workaround that you used to fit the hollowgram crank? Thank you very much!
Not sure about that: hollowgram cranks are designed for press fit BBs, so having external BB cups (bsa 68) might interfere with the chainrings, but I haven’t tried
Fantastic video big fan of the dales and gravel , great colour and you’re right the best colour in topstone anyway. And annoying actually when you want to buy the better specs .. I’m thinking of a caad12 1x11 if you have any ideas! By the way get your hands on a cervelo aspero gravel bike , be good to hear your opinion ,,
Violator thanks! Cervelo is nice, but expensive, so not expecting this in the nearest future. Caad12 are very good frames and very light too. If you are buying a purely road bike - then go for it!
I had those mechanical TRP disc callipers on my e5 diverge, swapped them for Shimano 105 hydraulic and honestly was a huge difference for me. An interesting side note \ hack is that GRX derailleurs are 100% compatible with all Shimano 11-speed STIs, which is what I went with for my 1x11 conversion. Although the schwalbes are light, their performance when compared with panacer gravel tires is not so great, especially on tar for rolling resistance.
The key word in the title of this video is “(on a budget)” ;) Hope RX4 hydraulic disc brake callipers that I have on my Topstone right now perform much better than any Shimano or Sram callipers, but they cost almost twice. I personally not a big fan of gravelking SK tyres (which I assume you are talking about) as while they may be fast on the road, they offer a really bad grip when it comes to offroad riding, especially when it’s wet.
@@TwistedWheels the hope products are awesome - no arguments there! Re: tire selection, I got the sense that you ride gravel more for comfort and robustness in London wet/pothole conditions more than long days in the saddle over jeep track? What is your balance of these two worlds?
@@neilk22I ride gravel on a gravel bike, I ride road on a road bike, I ride city on a an e-bike and I ride trails on a mountain bike. That’s why I have so many bikes 🤦🏻♂️ For gravel specifically, I want the tyres to be a balanced performance between on- and offroad.
Contact please. I want to buy a gravel commuter bike , have around 1000. Is rear rack suitable on this bike? I looked at Merlin Malt , Pinaccle, Cannondale topstone etc. I need help
Great video. In the video you say you used the Deda Gravel 100 46mm handlebars, but in the description it says 44 mm. which one did you use and does it matter at all? Thanks in advance.
Thanks! Deda measures their handlebars outside to outside, so their size 46 cm equals to other brands’ 44 cm (hood to hood), with the exception of 3T who measures their handlebars at the drops. The wider the handlebar - the more control you have, but the less aero you are. I’m using 42 cm handlebars on my road and 44 cm - on my gravel and CX bikes.
I quite like the cannondale hollowgram cranks (light and stiff) and they are not cheap (unfortunately). But since this video, Sram has release Red DUB 340g cranks, so I’d go with that. TBH, my current version of this bike already has it 😆
A question about changing/converting the crankset. I have a Cannondale One crankset i don't use, with a spindle (A3006 109L G19). With a BSA30 to BB30 converter kit and a new spindle (A3008 125L D19) i should be able to do the same as you. I want to keep the 2 chain rings and just change them to 30/46, as the more expensive Topstone models.
I haven’t tried it with the double chainring, but the chainline might be off, as the road double chainrings are designed for 109mm spindle and you’ll be using it with 125mm spindle, so I assume that it will be off by 8mm. Carbon Topstones have 6mm Ai offset of the rear hub, so it will compensate for that. I’m just thinking loud, I haven’t tried it.
@@TwistedWheels Thanks for input, didn't think about the offset, due to the crank converter. Maybe it's a better (and a lot cheaper) idea to keep the crankset that comes with the model (Thinking about the Alu 105, 1 or Ultegra) and then change the wheelset and headset/handlebar.
If you have Shimano Sora cranks, then I’d definitely recommend upgrading it for lightness snd stiffness. The solution that will work out of the box is Sram GXP cranks and bb. Sram Force cranks are light and there are relatively cheap used versions on Ebay.
Hi guys great video. I have been slowly chipping away at my Topstone and have a made a few choice purchases with your inspiration :) I have question though if I may? The thru axles, would you give me the actual sizes please? there is a number of option online and I am struggling to make head or tail of it all.
Hi Jay, thanks! Glad that this video gives inspiration to others to upgrade their bikes :) I don’t have the original axles to check the measures and the new ones don’t have anything printed on them. But if you remove your original axles, there will be length and thread pitch printed on them, so you’d be able to order the same.
This must be the 2019 model right? I’m planning on doing the same (buying the cheapest model „Sora“ and upgrading almost every component) with the 2020 model. I see the version in the video has BSA bottom bracket, wich is very welcome for me as I think threaded BB is the way to go (for several reasons). Does anyone know if the 2020 version still has threaded BB? From pictures around the web it looks like the frame is still the same in 2020 as it was in 2019 (which I also like; never change a running system). Also, is the paint color still the sane? I don’t know for sure so I thought I’d ask some fellow guys here on YT.
Hi, this is 2019 model. As I understand, 2020 is exactly the same (check specs on their website), but the colour is different. It is called sage green.
Twisted Wheels one more question: you said you had to reverse the chainring in order for the chain to run straight. In the next sentence you said because the chainring is symmetrical and this is a 1x setup, this works. But I don’t get the logic behind that when you say a) you had to reverse it and then b) it is symmetrical. So what is the difference then? In my head, turning something symmetrical around does not change how it works. I want to use a GRX 1x or Rival 1x setup, but from the pictures it looks like they can not simply be mounted in reverse.
Great job, you inspire me.. Actually, I am doing something similar on my topstone 4 2021 blue alpine. Could you just tell me which disc have you chosen for you TRP callipers (140 or 160 mm ? wich brand ?).
Egor Kovalchuk thanks. I haven’t tried, but Easton EC90SL cranks have quite a long axle, so I’m pretty sure it will fit with appropriate spacers, but please double check it with easton
Could you share the source for the spacers and the wavy washer? My dad and I are going to install the Hollowgram crank in another BSA bb, but I can't really find anything useful on Ebay.
You should be able to find them online, depending on the width that you need. E.g. www.tritoncycles.co.uk/components-c9/hub-spares-skewers-c122/cannondale-hollowgram-crank-spindle-spacer-set-p17864/s53314?Blisting%2Bads&cid=GBP&gclid=Cj0KCQiAx9mABhD0ARIsAEfpavSOXzxfv-3LUYXC9THasAL6gnwhedbIL1cfX7qwFrE7Pr1i_H0O3pwaAra6EALw_wcB
@@TwistedWheels One more question though: are you sure you used 2 mm spacers? Because the 2.5 ones are the only I can find in all those Cannondale kits.
Спасибо. Hard to advise the wheelset without knowing your budget. Popular choice for gravel is Hunt Gravel and Mavic Allroad, but I haven’t tried any of those. All my wheelsets are custom built.
This is awesome! If the selling of the new components works out well and you are able to sell them quickly, it is really an option to consider! Although, I think it can be pretty tough to buy user carbon components, especially when you don’t know the history of the parts (small cranks in the carbon structure because of a crash, that you can’t see with the bare eye can be critical). I still like this build very much!
Thanks! I don't have any carbon parts on this bike (except for the fork that came with the new bike), so buying used components wasn't an issue in my case.
fritz yep, there are some alloy components which are lighter than carbon, like in this case, cranks and the seatpost. Handlebars are actually just 35g heavier than carbon Easton EC70 AX made for gravel.
Привет и спасибо за отличное видео! Намерен приобрести Topstone! Уточни пожалуйста, замена каких компонентов дала наибольший вклад в снижение веса? Наверное это колеса и покрышки?
Really nice and well thought upgrades. Maybe you just converted a little bit it more towards a cx bike than a gravel one... If I'm right you lost some gears switching from 2x to 1x and some mm a width into the tires (they look narrower than stock ones)
I wouldn’t say CX as I have a different bike for that - you can find a video on my channel where I’m building a Specialized Crux. In terms of switching to 1x - you may be missing some gears on speeds over 45km/h, but that’s when I prefer to stop pedalling and be ready to pull the brakes especially when you going on gravel :) On the other side of a spectrum, I have 40-front/42-back gear for tough climbs, which is easier than 34-front/32-back that you have in the original setup. So 1x works great for me and I am not missing any gears. It also allows to use NW chainring on the front and clutch rear mech - both preventing the chain from dropping which you can’t have on 2x.
Hi mate. How tall are you and what's your size for this bike? I am 180cm and stuck in the middle whether to go for an L or M. Hope to get your reply. Thanks!
Hi, i'm ver very interessed about how much the original handlebar weight? i have the same bike with the same project, i want to know if it worth to change it. thank you
I have the same bike and thinking about doing some mods to it. What size is your topstone and how tall are you? I am 5’8 and got the large thinking that medium would have been best for me
Well done! Are you still happy with those axles? Would you use them when doing some rough offroad stuff? In my case I'd save 74g and get rid of the ugly bolt heads. I am really wondering though, whether that might be a safety issue when gravelling hard.
Hi, i have been trying to do a similar set up on my cannondale topstone sora. I'm trying to fit Hollowgram crank set but I'm stuggeling. when I scew it on it ends up not turning anymore Do you remenber the non drive spacer and drive spacer size you put in ? Thanks
@@TwistedWheels for the crankset i have bough exactly what you have on the video but just really strugeling with the spacer drive and non drive what ever i try when tightening it it blocks
Brilliant video. One of the best for detail and exactly what I was looking for. I was wanting a Topstone 2 as I liked the colour and although the components were a bit below spec they where more than rideable. No stock so looking at TS 1 which has good components but would still need upgrading longer term. I’ve no idea how much TS1 weighs but seeing your video helped a lot as it gives the frame weight. I’ve got a CAAD 9 bike with some upgrades and a CAAD 3 frame to paint and build so definitely taking some inspiration from this. Tough to get good deals at the moment though. Keep the videos coming, the level of detail is bang on. Can I just ask how it rides off-road. Any issues with creaking BB that is commonly reported?
Hi, thanks! It has the standard threaded BSA bb, so no issues with creaking. If someone is reporting creaking bb on this frame, they need to look after their bike better :)
Great job 👏 I’m deciding over a 2019 Cannondale slate force 1 with full sram force groupset Or the top stone 4 base model with micro avent x 10speed groupset. What would be the better buy ? The slate is $1800 rode under 500km or brand new top stone 4 $1000.
@@TwistedWheels i decided to go with the top stone 4. The slate is running 650d wheels . I want to change my groupset like you. What was it? Can u give me a list of the groupset please.
Just weighed in my Alloy Topstone 2 with Grx 400 2-by at about 11 kg straight from the shop. It’s inspiring how much weight one could potentially shave off. Wondering where to start ?...
Подскажите пожалуйста, как у него с жесткостью рамы и гашением вибраций? Если была возможность сравнить с чем-то аналогичным на хромоле или титане, поделитесь своим мнением на этот счет, пожалуйста. Стоит ли его брать под байкпакинговые путешествия или лучше все же на стальной раме, если, скажем комфорт в приоритете?
Титан и сталь будут заведомо мягче. Но основная работа по гашению вибраций идёт от покрышек и подседельного штыря. Ещё очень рекомендую вынос redshift sports со встроенными эластомерами. Очень помогает с гашением вибраций. В целом я очень доволен этой рамой. Единственный минус: мало места для банок внутри рамы. Хотелось бы чтобы верхняя труба была более горизонтальной
Im looking to do this same 1x conversion on my 2020 Topstone sora. Im hunting for parts and I was wondering can I use the original crank arms with the 40T chainring and 125mm axle?
Menashootz, I believe you can leave the original bb and cranks and replace the chainrings with 40T. Just make sure that the chainring you buy fits the size of the spider of the FSA cranks
Twisted Wheels thank you for that! I’m trying to figure out what I need to get. If I get the rear sram cassette do I need a new rear mech and new sram shifters? Sorry for all the questions. I just got this bike today and I like the mods you did. Thanks again!
If you are installing Sram 11 speed cassette, you will need to replace the shifters and the rear derailleur to 11-speed compatible. Also make sure that if you install the 10-42 cassette like I have, your rear derailleur needs to have a long cage that takes such cassettes.
Say you were interested in initially spending only 250-300 dollars/pounds, what parts would you swap out first for that more limited investment? Thanks, craig
Hey, thanks. I recently bought a Specialized Sirrus X 5.0. Its got Pathfinder Pro tubeless-ready 700x38C tires. I was thinking I'd go and get the tubes removed. But any suggestions for how else to lighten up the wheels? Cheers, Craig
Hi, at 1:04 you mention the fork is 390g, but the follow-up text says 460g (which I think is more likely). Which figure is true? Also, what is included in the 1,600g frameset weight? Just bare frame, or was there headset, BB, etc.. Thanks for making this video and listing the parts - helps a ton as I'm looking to compare this to Trek Checkpoint as all-rounder. Subbed.
Hey, I can’t remember exactly now, but it might be that 460 is the weight of uncut fork with the fork bung, whereas 390g is cut and without. 1600g is the bare frame (but with paint haha). I believe carbon checkpoint weighs the same as this alloy Topstone. Whereas alloy checkpoints are much heavier: both, the frame and the fork with alloy steer.
@@TwistedWheels Thanks! Checkpoint is 1,570g for frame (56) and 600g for fork, so 2,170g claimed. But the frameset sold includes thru-axles, head set, seatpost clamp, derailleur hanger and chain guard for a total of 2,480g claimed. So the frame weights are comparable but the fork is beefier. I intend to run a mini front rack for backpack ~5kg heavy. Do you think Topstone fork is suitable for that? Checkpoint explicitly states front rack possible, nothing on Topstone. Too bad Cannondale doesn't sell this colour anymore, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. 2nd hand market is a disaster.
Heyy, i just got my 2020 topstone sora about a week now. But i noticed the rear axle have a bit play, even if im tightening it hard, but still i can feel the play and it make noise too when i shake, is it happen to u as well? Thanks before
To Cannondale aficionados - please make shit cool solid colours like this in your various road cx and gravel bikes and not some of the trash colours of late This , the deep purple and the orange on the superx are stand out of last few years
I want to put my bicycle on diet too but I do always the opposite… add a phone mounter… add som lights here and there… add a rear rack for commuting… heeeeelp! 🤣🤣🤣
Nice upgrades, I have the same bike and was looking at upgrades. By any chance, did you weigh the stock wheels? I feel like they are especially heavy, and wanted to see how much of a difference new wheels might make
Congrats for the video!! It is very inspiring the way you choose to pick you bike. I have doubts about the way you sell and buy your stuff. I see the way of buying (sitting and waiting till you find the best deal) but the way of selling … was it hard to find a buyer? If you choose the low range of Topstone, is it possible that you don’t find a buyer of this mid-range specs? Did you sell all your stuff on ebay or is it a better place to do it? I am from spain and Im not sure if there is a market for a mid-range specs so the economic balance would be different. Thanks in advance for your answer!! 😉
Cheers Dario, I’m 182cm and I’ve got size M with a 90mm stem and zero seatpost offset. Perfect fit for me, but everyone’s proportions could be different.
@@TwistedWheels nice, I have a GXP laying around from an old diverge I had built. Looks like this frame set is going to be the base of my build. Thanks for the reply, and sweet build. Happy riding.
Добрый вечер, а в размере L сильно тяжелее будет или нет ? И ещё вопрос какой у вас рост ? Просто я где-то 187 и мне посоветовали купить в размере L ни сделал я ошибку что купил L а ни M ? Заранее благодарю за ответ
Добрый, у меня рост 182см и рама М. Рама L не знаю, насколько будет тяжелее 🤷🏻♂️ На ваш рост наверное L нормально будет. Но тут сложно советовать, у всех разные пропорции
Arch Dias привет, я свои на ибей покупал, но ты можешь в гугле поискать cannondale hollowgram cranks. Тебе нужна будет ось 125мм если ты будешь ставить на такую же раму
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a couple of suggestions...for seat-post I went with a Mt.Zoom Carbon post (144g), Stem Kaloy Uno Super-light + Ti Bolts (90g), Easton EC70 Cranks (351g), XTR Cassette (330g), Wolftooth oval chainring (72g), 2 KCNC rotors (136g), Easton EC70 handlebar (217g), Ebay no name carbon saddle (87g), JRC Kumo Seat clamp 6.6g), Farsport wheels (1365g) and Alligator I-Link shifter housing. I got My trek Crocket7 from 9.1kg to 7.55Kg. All weights are actual.
Tenatious _E, thanks for good suggestions, but there is a reason I chose what I have on the bike right now. I didn’t have an objective to build the lightest bike possible. For that I have Specialized Crux (see video on my channel), which I have further upgraded after the video and it is now 6.8 kg. For this bike I needed a good value for money and comfort. P.S. Sram XG-1195 cassette is lighter than XTR (265g) ;)
I just discovered your channel...and watched all your videos yesterday. Very enjoyable. Your videos are very well made, I like your relaxed and humorous narrating style, and your bike smarts are impressive and useful and entertaining. I'm thinking you must be a busy guy outside of cycling or you would have more content, such as actually riding your Topstone rebuild on roads and trails, actually riding and camping in the cross-Britain event, as well as some of your favourite rides around London (or anywhere). Your style reminds me of Rides of Japan, one of my favourite channels on YT. Thanks for your content.
T McD thanks a lot! Comments like that keep me doing this. I do have a full-time 50h-ish work in the office, therefore, can only release videos once per month (if I’m lucky)...
T McD but stay tuned! I’ll definitely release the video from the Ride Across Britain one day 🤞🏼😄
I have the same model and upgraded with a 105 groupset I had and better wheels too. I love the frame and ride character. I have a new 650B wheelset coming soon for some more rugged adventures. And I agree, the paint is amazing - especially in the sunlight.
Patrick Carroll sounds like a nice build! 👍🏼
I have Fabric seats on my Giant Defty Pro 0 and my Cannondale Topstone Neo Lefty 3 (e-gravel bike) and like them a lot.
We need more videos like this.
Great work Bro 👍 can you tell me what axles you used on this build? 74g saving on each wheel sounds 👌
Epic job, great video. Cant find that vulcan green anywhere now!!! Best color on any gravel bike period. Killer upgrades. Better keep that one in the safe 😉
Thanks! Haha will look after it :)
Amazing video man! You won a new subscriber from Italy! I have a question, of all the improvements you’ve made, from what you would agree to start to gain more weight and improve performance? Because I would like to make upgrades step by step! Thanks! Bye
teoasdasd thanks mate, wheels is where you feel the biggest difference in terms of weight and performance. So I suggest to start with upgrading them
Could you please show how to assemble the setup please ? Would be very interesting 😉
Cem, checkout my Specialized Crux video. I am assembling the bike there in a bit more details
Great video, thank you for sharing.
I’m now divided between this bike Topstone and the Genesis Vapour, but this green is growing on me, hope to find some sale on Topstone.
Keep the great work.
Thanks Samuel, glad that you liked the video. I’m sure you’ll like both bikes. Good luck!
Does this have internal routing for a dropper post? Coming from an mtb background and looking for a budget gravel bike with internal dropper post routing isn't easy.
Hey, yes it does. Through the downtube, then goes out under the bb, and then back into the seat tube.
Awesome! This is a great build man, amazing how little you spent on it.
Thanks mate. It took a while to find good parts for good prices, but it was worth it
Good evening. I have the same bike and now I want to upgrade it. !!! Could you please send me the link of the thru axles as I’m not sure if all the threads differ.
Thank you.
Sorry, I didn’t save the links. I bought them on Ebay. The size of the axle is typed on the axles itself, so if you take them out - you’ll see it.
Twisted Wheels thank you.
Wow! Realy nice video! Bike transformation in a moment - done perfectly ;P Thanks for this content and transparency about cost of parts!
piternn thanks. Glad you enjoyed it :)
great video, could you please add the weights of the parts to the Video description
Thanks! Sorry, I won’t be able to as I will need to take the bike apart. Most of the weights are available online.
@@TwistedWheels ok, that's understandable
it would be very interesant to see the comparison between the weights from each part (old and new). Also, you got very good deals, i cant even get to reduce the weight of my bike in 2.6 kgs and even if i try to get closer, it means to spend a crazy amount of money. Very good content!
Thanks Pancho. Finding good deals is a long process, so you have to be patient. I started looking for parts for the bike even before I actually bought it :)
Excellent video buddy! I agree that that frame has the nicest paint in the Topstone range. Looking forward to watching more of your videos👍
Much respect from Mark in Scotland!
Thanks mate. Working on the new video today :)
Wow nice video...can you pls list the whole wheelset transformation? I think that's where most of the grams were lost...😊
Hey, thanks. The list of components is in the description to the video ;)
I cant find this bike under regular Topstone in that color. Is it only avail in the UK or am I just too late. Great video......
Thanks. This is a 2019 version, so pretty hard to find
2.6kg is a big loss.... definitely worth it.
Can someone tell me the inner width of the rims on the bike before any modification ?
Love what you've done!
Very useful video! Will rely on it for my next bike upgrade. Thanks!
Hey Aleksey, glad you liked the video!
I wish I knew as much about all the components as you. As it is, I love the Topstones. I have a Topstone 105 alloy.
Heather Spoonheim thanks. Topstone 105 comes with much better parts from the start, so I’d probably only upgrade the wheels
Hey, thank you for this video, so many interesting upgrade for a Topston owner!! Do you think it would be possibile to fit a double chainring (and have it to properly work with a front derailleur) with that workaround that you used to fit the hollowgram crank? Thank you very much!
Not sure about that: hollowgram cranks are designed for press fit BBs, so having external BB cups (bsa 68) might interfere with the chainrings, but I haven’t tried
That’s a beautiful looking bike. Nice job on trimming the weight down.
Thanks Craig 👊🏼
Fantastic video big fan of the dales and gravel , great colour and you’re right the best colour in topstone anyway. And annoying actually when you want to buy the better specs ..
I’m thinking of a caad12 1x11 if you have any ideas!
By the way get your hands on a cervelo aspero gravel bike , be good to hear your opinion ,,
Violator thanks! Cervelo is nice, but expensive, so not expecting this in the nearest future.
Caad12 are very good frames and very light too. If you are buying a purely road bike - then go for it!
Ive got this bike and have been waiting for a video like this since ever... now off to ebay
Mamun Ali thanks :)
Have a nice build! 😄
Can you please send a link to the BB CUPS needed to run the Cannondale crankset? Thanks!
I had those mechanical TRP disc callipers on my e5 diverge, swapped them for Shimano 105 hydraulic and honestly was a huge difference for me. An interesting side note \ hack is that GRX derailleurs are 100% compatible with all Shimano 11-speed STIs, which is what I went with for my 1x11 conversion. Although the schwalbes are light, their performance when compared with panacer gravel tires is not so great, especially on tar for rolling resistance.
The key word in the title of this video is “(on a budget)” ;)
Hope RX4 hydraulic disc brake callipers that I have on my Topstone right now perform much better than any Shimano or Sram callipers, but they cost almost twice. I personally not a big fan of gravelking SK tyres (which I assume you are talking about) as while they may be fast on the road, they offer a really bad grip when it comes to offroad riding, especially when it’s wet.
@@TwistedWheels the hope products are awesome - no arguments there!
Re: tire selection, I got the sense that you ride gravel more for comfort and robustness in London wet/pothole conditions more than long days in the saddle over jeep track? What is your balance of these two worlds?
@@neilk22I ride gravel on a gravel bike, I ride road on a road bike, I ride city on a an e-bike and I ride trails on a mountain bike. That’s why I have so many bikes 🤦🏻♂️
For gravel specifically, I want the tyres to be a balanced performance between on- and offroad.
Superb video. Love your philosophy. Keep up great work. Some inspiration for my new build 👍
Thanks Chris. Good luck with your build!
Contact please. I want to buy a gravel commuter bike , have around 1000. Is rear rack suitable on this bike? I looked at Merlin Malt , Pinaccle, Cannondale topstone etc. I need help
Mert Sağcan hey, drop me an email. I might have something for you ;)
Ookvideo@gmail.com
Twisted Wheels sagcanmert@gmail.com
Great video.
In the video you say you used the Deda Gravel 100 46mm handlebars, but in the description it says 44 mm. which one did you use and does it matter at all?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks! Deda measures their handlebars outside to outside, so their size 46 cm equals to other brands’ 44 cm (hood to hood), with the exception of 3T who measures their handlebars at the drops.
The wider the handlebar - the more control you have, but the less aero you are. I’m using 42 cm handlebars on my road and 44 cm - on my gravel and CX bikes.
@@TwistedWheels Thanks for info !
Thanks for the video mate. Test riding one tomorrow and the weight was worrisome
Brandon Peeler how did the ride go?
Great video, any chance you could share a full list of components, please 😬
Bikepacking Explorer thanks mate. Just updated the description to the video with the full specs.
Twisted Wheels excellent, thanks 👍🏻 can you build one for me 😂
Bikepacking Explorer sure! Everything has it’s own price though :))
I’m actually building a bike for one of the subscribers to my channel :)
Дружище, подскажи, какой у тебя рост? Рама, насколько я понял, размера М? Как при твоем росте? Не маловата?
Рост 182 см, размер М с 90мм выносом и рулём с ричем 75мм - мне идеально. Но у всех разные пропорции.
This is great, can you comment on the individual weight savings or which were most important?
Wheels is always the biggest weight saving
Thank you, this is exactly the bike and upgrades i was planning. 😁
:) glad you liked it
Hi, if money was no object what BB & crankset would you have gone with as a replacement to the FSA BB-4000/crankset
I quite like the cannondale hollowgram cranks (light and stiff) and they are not cheap (unfortunately).
But since this video, Sram has release Red DUB 340g cranks, so I’d go with that. TBH, my current version of this bike already has it 😆
A question about changing/converting the crankset. I have a Cannondale One crankset i don't use, with a spindle (A3006 109L G19). With a BSA30 to BB30 converter kit and a new spindle (A3008 125L D19) i should be able to do the same as you. I want to keep the 2 chain rings and just change them to 30/46, as the more expensive Topstone models.
I haven’t tried it with the double chainring, but the chainline might be off, as the road double chainrings are designed for 109mm spindle and you’ll be using it with 125mm spindle, so I assume that it will be off by 8mm. Carbon Topstones have 6mm Ai offset of the rear hub, so it will compensate for that. I’m just thinking loud, I haven’t tried it.
@@TwistedWheels Thanks for input, didn't think about the offset, due to the crank converter. Maybe it's a better (and a lot cheaper) idea to keep the crankset that comes with the model (Thinking about the Alu 105, 1 or Ultegra) and then change the wheelset and headset/handlebar.
If you have Shimano Sora cranks, then I’d definitely recommend upgrading it for lightness snd stiffness. The solution that will work out of the box is Sram GXP cranks and bb. Sram Force cranks are light and there are relatively cheap used versions on Ebay.
Hi guys great video. I have been slowly chipping away at my Topstone and have a made a few choice purchases with your inspiration :) I have question though if I may? The thru axles, would you give me the actual sizes please? there is a number of option online and I am struggling to make head or tail of it all.
Hi Jay, thanks! Glad that this video gives inspiration to others to upgrade their bikes :)
I don’t have the original axles to check the measures and the new ones don’t have anything printed on them. But if you remove your original axles, there will be length and thread pitch printed on them, so you’d be able to order the same.
This must be the 2019 model right? I’m planning on doing the same (buying the cheapest model „Sora“ and upgrading almost every component) with the 2020 model. I see the version in the video has BSA bottom bracket, wich is very welcome for me as I think threaded BB is the way to go (for several reasons). Does anyone know if the 2020 version still has threaded BB? From pictures around the web it looks like the frame is still the same in 2020 as it was in 2019 (which I also like; never change a running system). Also, is the paint color still the sane? I don’t know for sure so I thought I’d ask some fellow guys here on YT.
Hi, this is 2019 model. As I understand, 2020 is exactly the same (check specs on their website), but the colour is different. It is called sage green.
Twisted Wheels is sage green the color of your model? Because on the Cannondale website it says mantis as color for the 2020 model.
I’m not sure about the exact names, but 2020 is different and not that deep and metallic. I believe the colour is also lighter.
Twisted Wheels ok, thanks mate. Looking forward to getting my hands on this bike.
Twisted Wheels one more question: you said you had to reverse the chainring in order for the chain to run straight. In the next sentence you said because the chainring is symmetrical and this is a 1x setup, this works. But I don’t get the logic behind that when you say a) you had to reverse it and then b) it is symmetrical. So what is the difference then? In my head, turning something symmetrical around does not change how it works. I want to use a GRX 1x or Rival 1x setup, but from the pictures it looks like they can not simply be mounted in reverse.
Great job, you inspire me.. Actually, I am doing something similar on my topstone 4 2021 blue alpine. Could you just tell me which disc have you chosen for you TRP callipers (140 or 160 mm ? wich brand ?).
thanks! 160mm sram centerline
Hi Mate. Nice video.
What is frame size and your height?
What stem size you have?
Thanks.
M, 182cm, 90mm
Why did cannondale pick such a great colour for the very basic model ?
To force DIY projects like that 🤣
Awesome Topstone Project!
Thanks, Jeff
Hello! great video!
wanted to ask:
I want to change stock crankset to
EASTON Crank EA90
together with BB: Rotor BSA30
Will they fit this bike?
Thanks
Egor Kovalchuk thanks. I haven’t tried, but Easton EC90SL cranks have quite a long axle, so I’m pretty sure it will fit with appropriate spacers, but please double check it with easton
@@TwistedWheels Okay)
Thank for the answer
I’ll try to write later, maybe someone will find the information useful.
Could you share the source for the spacers and the wavy washer? My dad and I are going to install the Hollowgram crank in another BSA bb, but I can't really find anything useful on Ebay.
You should be able to find them online, depending on the width that you need. E.g.
www.tritoncycles.co.uk/components-c9/hub-spares-skewers-c122/cannondale-hollowgram-crank-spindle-spacer-set-p17864/s53314?Blisting%2Bads&cid=GBP&gclid=Cj0KCQiAx9mABhD0ARIsAEfpavSOXzxfv-3LUYXC9THasAL6gnwhedbIL1cfX7qwFrE7Pr1i_H0O3pwaAra6EALw_wcB
@@TwistedWheels Thanks for answering, dude! Nice to see a content creator who reads the comments 😃 Greetings from Germany!
@@TwistedWheels One more question though: are you sure you used 2 mm spacers? Because the 2.5 ones are the only I can find in all those Cannondale kits.
Nice video. Did you change the bottom bracket?
Great video. Proper real interesting stuff, and good info. Fab.
richtourist thanks! Glad that you liked it :)
Awesome video, really makes me look differently at my future purchases.
Thanks Vladimir
Nice job, turned out great. Ordered Topstone 1 2021 last week, you have advice about it? Which wilset will be good on the road with 30-32 tires?
Спасибо. Hard to advise the wheelset without knowing your budget. Popular choice for gravel is Hunt Gravel and Mavic Allroad, but I haven’t tried any of those. All my wheelsets are custom built.
This is awesome! If the selling of the new components works out well and you are able to sell them quickly, it is really an option to consider! Although, I think it can be pretty tough to buy user carbon components, especially when you don’t know the history of the parts (small cranks in the carbon structure because of a crash, that you can’t see with the bare eye can be critical). I still like this build very much!
Thanks! I don't have any carbon parts on this bike (except for the fork that came with the new bike), so buying used components wasn't an issue in my case.
Twisted Wheels Oh my bad! It’s impressive how much you saved with alloy components
fritz yep, there are some alloy components which are lighter than carbon, like in this case, cranks and the seatpost. Handlebars are actually just 35g heavier than carbon Easton EC70 AX made for gravel.
Привет и спасибо за отличное видео! Намерен приобрести Topstone!
Уточни пожалуйста, замена каких компонентов дала наибольший вклад в снижение веса? Наверное это колеса и покрышки?
Привет. Да, колеса с покрышками
Really nice and well thought upgrades. Maybe you just converted a little bit it more towards a cx bike than a gravel one... If I'm right you lost some gears switching from 2x to 1x and some mm a width into the tires (they look narrower than stock ones)
I wouldn’t say CX as I have a different bike for that - you can find a video on my channel where I’m building a Specialized Crux. In terms of switching to 1x - you may be missing some gears on speeds over 45km/h, but that’s when I prefer to stop pedalling and be ready to pull the brakes especially when you going on gravel :)
On the other side of a spectrum, I have 40-front/42-back gear for tough climbs, which is easier than 34-front/32-back that you have in the original setup. So 1x works great for me and I am not missing any gears. It also allows to use NW chainring on the front and clutch rear mech - both preventing the chain from dropping which you can’t have on 2x.
Hi mate. How tall are you and what's your size for this bike? I am 180cm and stuck in the middle whether to go for an L or M. Hope to get your reply. Thanks!
Hey, I’m 182cm and I’m riding size M. Definitely go M
@@TwistedWheels thanks for the reply!
Hello! Could you please write your height and your frame size. It is very complicated to define correct size for topstone for me…
Great video, really enjoyed watching it! Impressive weight gains for not much money if you know what you’re doing. Love the geen cour as well 🤘🏼
Thanks Miikka 👊🏼
Hi, i'm ver very interessed about how much the original handlebar weight? i have the same bike with the same project, i want to know if it worth to change it. thank you
YAC RICHTHOFEN, sorry I didn’t weigh it, but I assume in the region of 315-330g
Nice build! Great info! Awesome vid!
Offishu thanks!
I have the same bike and thinking about doing some mods to it. What size is your topstone and how tall are you? I am 5’8 and got the large thinking that medium would have been best for me
REY, I’m 182 cm, size M
I’m building a similar bike in Blue colour (size M) on Sram Force for sale, email me if you are interested
Добрый день. Олег, как ты думаешь, можно ли так же облегчить GT Grade? Вроде у него тоже рама легкая.
Облегчить велосипед можно всегда :)
@@TwistedWheels Это ясно :) Как базу для работы стоит его рассматривать? Или упереться в Топстоун?
@@kirillvovchenko966 тут я не смогу подсказать. На это влияют очень много факторов. Если нравится фреймсет, то почему нет
Just bought a topstone 3 and thinking about converting to 1x but not sure what to change to. Any recommendations?
Hey I did think about it and it is impressive hah! What brand were the thru axles?
Hey, they are J&L axles from Ebay. Have been using them on all my bikes. Light and clean looks. No issues so far.
Could this be a quiver killer with a set of road tires? Def looks spot on!
Theodosios Vafias I have a second set of wheels with 35mm slicks and it is almost as fast as my road bike 🤘🏼
Well done! Are you still happy with those axles? Would you use them when doing some rough offroad stuff? In my case I'd save 74g and get rid of the ugly bolt heads. I am really wondering though, whether that might be a safety issue when gravelling hard.
Yes. I’ve done a fully loaded bikepacking trip and didn’t have any issues with them.
@@TwistedWheels Thank you!
Hi, i have been trying to do a similar set up on my cannondale topstone sora.
I'm trying to fit Hollowgram crank set but I'm stuggeling. when I scew it on it ends up not turning anymore
Do you remenber the non drive spacer and drive spacer size you put in ?
Thanks
Are you using a 125mm axle?
@@TwistedWheels yes
@@TwistedWheels for the crankset i have bough exactly what you have on the video but just really strugeling with the spacer drive and non drive what ever i try when tightening it it blocks
I have Rotor BSA30 bottom bracket. Do you have the same?
I have 2mm spacer on the drive side, and 2x2mm spacers on the non-drive side + a wavy washer.
@@TwistedWheels yes I have the same rotor bsa 30 bb.
I don’t have 2 mm spacer on my spacer kit only 2.6
beautiful spec!
Brilliant video. One of the best for detail and exactly what I was looking for. I was wanting a Topstone 2 as I liked the colour and although the components were a bit below spec they where more than rideable. No stock so looking at TS 1 which has good components but would still need upgrading longer term. I’ve no idea how much TS1 weighs but seeing your video helped a lot as it gives the frame weight. I’ve got a CAAD 9 bike with some upgrades and a CAAD 3 frame to paint and build so definitely taking some inspiration from this. Tough to get good deals at the moment though. Keep the videos coming, the level of detail is bang on.
Can I just ask how it rides off-road. Any issues with creaking BB that is commonly reported?
Hi, thanks! It has the standard threaded BSA bb, so no issues with creaking. If someone is reporting creaking bb on this frame, they need to look after their bike better :)
Hi... I really would love to purchase the same wheels and tyre set as a first upgrade. Where can I get these from? Thanks
Hi, these wheels were custom-built, so you will have to buy rims, hubs and spokes separately and get them built for you
Great job 👏 I’m deciding over a 2019 Cannondale slate force 1 with full sram force groupset Or the top stone 4 base model with micro avent x 10speed groupset. What would be the better buy ? The slate is $1800 rode under 500km or brand new top stone 4 $1000.
In this configuration, Slate would be better. If you are planning to do something similar to what I did, then I’d go for Topstone
@@TwistedWheels is the slate the better buy ? Value? Better bike ? They discontinued the slate for the top stone.
Between the two you mentioned I’d personally go for slate, but you need to make your own choice
@@TwistedWheels i decided to go with the top stone 4. The slate is running 650d wheels . I want to change my groupset like you. What was it? Can u give me a list of the groupset please.
@@SmurfandTurf97 check the description of the video
Just weighed in my Alloy Topstone 2 with Grx 400 2-by at about 11 kg straight from the shop.
It’s inspiring how much weight one could potentially shave off.
Wondering where to start ?...
I have a video on my channel on tips to save weight. Check it out ;)
What did you upgrade? I have the same bike.
do the rims come in two
Подскажите пожалуйста, как у него с жесткостью рамы и гашением вибраций? Если была возможность сравнить с чем-то аналогичным на хромоле или титане, поделитесь своим мнением на этот счет, пожалуйста. Стоит ли его брать под байкпакинговые путешествия или лучше все же на стальной раме, если, скажем комфорт в приоритете?
Титан и сталь будут заведомо мягче. Но основная работа по гашению вибраций идёт от покрышек и подседельного штыря. Ещё очень рекомендую вынос redshift sports со встроенными эластомерами. Очень помогает с гашением вибраций. В целом я очень доволен этой рамой. Единственный минус: мало места для банок внутри рамы. Хотелось бы чтобы верхняя труба была более горизонтальной
@@TwistedWheels спасибо.
congratulations on the transformation; exactly the wheelset, without discs and cassette, how much does it weigh?
Thanks. I believe the new wheelset was around 1450g.
The old one was over 2kg
@@TwistedWheels Thank you very much
I agree with you: the brake calipers work well, I leave them too
ADD some Orange Vinyl to the Fork and Chainstay - will look like a " Chapter 2 AO "
I’m pretty happy with how it looks right now. Pretty understated, but with a beautiful frame colour)
Is a hollowgram crankset with a 119mm spindle long enough to fit in a bsa30 or does it need to be 125mm to fit?
You’ll need a 125 mm if you are using rotor bsa30. You can use 119mm if you find narrower bearings, but they will be not durable.
Does reducing 2kg make a big difference in the overall ride... For a casual rider?
What is the main benefit?
Yes it does. Faster acceleration, easier climbing, better handling
@@TwistedWheels thanks you!
Im looking to do this same 1x conversion on my 2020 Topstone sora. Im hunting for parts and I was wondering can I use the original crank arms with the 40T chainring and 125mm axle?
Menashootz, I believe you can leave the original bb and cranks and replace the chainrings with 40T. Just make sure that the chainring you buy fits the size of the spider of the FSA cranks
Twisted Wheels thank you for that! I’m trying to figure out what I need to get. If I get the rear sram cassette do I need a new rear mech and new sram shifters? Sorry for all the questions. I just got this bike today and I like the mods you did. Thanks again!
If you are installing Sram 11 speed cassette, you will need to replace the shifters and the rear derailleur to 11-speed compatible. Also make sure that if you install the 10-42 cassette like I have, your rear derailleur needs to have a long cage that takes such cassettes.
Twisted Wheels gotcha! So if I get your cassette and I get the sram force cx1 I should be good to go yes?
You’ll need Force CX1 rear derailleur with a LONG cage (they come in 3 different lengths). You will also need Sram Force, Rival, Red or Apex shifters
I’m looking to upgrade my Topstone 4 wheels to reduce the weight of the bike - any recommendations?
Thank you for this great video! I am considering buying this Topstone Sora. Do you recommend it to me, even if I don’t plan to modify it?
Baptiste Erpicum, I think it would be a good bike. A bit heavy, but you can always upgrade the parts gradually in the future
Say you were interested in initially spending only 250-300 dollars/pounds, what parts would you swap out first for that more limited investment? Thanks, craig
Hi Craig, wheels is where you would feel the most difference. But if we are talking about the Topstone, then cranks are really heavy
Hey, thanks. I recently bought a Specialized Sirrus X 5.0. Its got Pathfinder Pro tubeless-ready 700x38C tires. I was thinking I'd go and get the tubes removed. But any suggestions for how else to lighten up the wheels? Cheers, Craig
Is a compact crankset (50-34T) able to fit in this bike?
Hi, at 1:04 you mention the fork is 390g, but the follow-up text says 460g (which I think is more likely). Which figure is true?
Also, what is included in the 1,600g frameset weight? Just bare frame, or was there headset, BB, etc..
Thanks for making this video and listing the parts - helps a ton as I'm looking to compare this to Trek Checkpoint as all-rounder. Subbed.
Hey, I can’t remember exactly now, but it might be that 460 is the weight of uncut fork with the fork bung, whereas 390g is cut and without.
1600g is the bare frame (but with paint haha).
I believe carbon checkpoint weighs the same as this alloy Topstone. Whereas alloy checkpoints are much heavier: both, the frame and the fork with alloy steer.
@@TwistedWheels Thanks! Checkpoint is 1,570g for frame (56) and 600g for fork, so 2,170g claimed. But the frameset sold includes thru-axles, head set, seatpost clamp, derailleur hanger and chain guard for a total of 2,480g claimed.
So the frame weights are comparable but the fork is beefier. I intend to run a mini front rack for backpack ~5kg heavy. Do you think Topstone fork is suitable for that? Checkpoint explicitly states front rack possible, nothing on Topstone.
Too bad Cannondale doesn't sell this colour anymore, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. 2nd hand market is a disaster.
Great video! I am trying to do the same “upgrade”; do you remember the specs of the j&l thru axles? Thx!
OB 1 thanks. I don’t I’m afraid, but if you remove your original axles all measures will be written on them ;)
Heyy, i just got my 2020 topstone sora about a week now. But i noticed the rear axle have a bit play, even if im tightening it hard, but still i can feel the play and it make noise too when i shake, is it happen to u as well? Thanks before
buyung nope, no play on mine 🤷🏻♂️
@@TwistedWheels oh god no 😔 this is bad news for me 😔 but thanks for the confirmation 👌
@@TwistedWheels in stock wheel hub and axle?
buyung neither of the wheelsets/axle combinations
@@TwistedWheels cool, i guess i need to contact my local cannondale dealership. Thanksss a lot, cheers
To Cannondale aficionados - please make shit cool solid colours like this in your various road cx and gravel bikes and not some of the trash colours of late
This , the deep purple and the orange on the superx are stand out of last few years
I want to put my bicycle on diet too but I do always the opposite… add a phone mounter… add som lights here and there… add a rear rack for commuting… heeeeelp! 🤣🤣🤣
Nice upgrades, I have the same bike and was looking at upgrades.
By any chance, did you weigh the stock wheels? I feel like they are especially heavy, and wanted to see how much of a difference new wheels might make
Renogue thanks. I did not weigh them, but I am sure they are over 2 kg
Congrats for the video!! It is very inspiring the way you choose to pick you bike. I have doubts about the way you sell and buy your stuff. I see the way of buying (sitting and waiting till you find the best deal) but the way of selling … was it hard to find a buyer? If you choose the low range of Topstone, is it possible that you don’t find a buyer of this mid-range specs? Did you sell all your stuff on ebay or is it a better place to do it? I am from spain and Im not sure if there is a market for a mid-range specs so the economic balance would be different. Thanks in advance for your answer!! 😉
Great video, just got picked up a topstone myself, did you replace BB or just add external cups? Thanks
Thanks Charles. I did replace the BB
Great job man! totally worth it at that price!
can i ask how tall are you and what size did you get? i’m 183 and can’t choose between MD and L!
Cheers Dario, I’m 182cm and I’ve got size M with a 90mm stem and zero seatpost offset. Perfect fit for me, but everyone’s proportions could be different.
@@TwistedWheels Ok thanks! i just a good deal on a used but pretty new topstone carbon 105 but it’s size L and i’m afraid it’s a little big..
Can you post the upgrades you made? Thanks
You can find them in the description of the video
That bike is killer
Where did you purchase the bike from?
Is the bike light and Fast
Any idea if this frame will accept a BB for a SRAM Red Crankset?
It will accept Sram GXP, but will not take Sram BB30.
@@TwistedWheels nice, I have a GXP laying around from an old diverge I had built. Looks like this frame set is going to be the base of my build. Thanks for the reply, and sweet build. Happy riding.
MrBuddha thanks mate. Good luck with your build!
MrBuddha BTW, you will need the BSA bb for GXP cranks
Добрый вечер, а в размере L сильно тяжелее будет или нет ?
И ещё вопрос какой у вас рост ? Просто я где-то 187 и мне посоветовали купить в размере L ни сделал я ошибку что купил L а ни M ?
Заранее благодарю за ответ
Добрый, у меня рост 182см и рама М. Рама L не знаю, насколько будет тяжелее 🤷🏻♂️
На ваш рост наверное L нормально будет. Но тут сложно советовать, у всех разные пропорции
Very nice work. Thanks
Привет!
Помоги пожалуйста найти шатуны как у тебя. Где выгодней заказать ?
Arch Dias привет, я свои на ибей покупал, но ты можешь в гугле поискать cannondale hollowgram cranks. Тебе нужна будет ось 125мм если ты будешь ставить на такую же раму
@@TwistedWheels Спасибо! А какая их реально цена? +-
Arch Dias в розницу дофига, в районе £300 шоссейные стоят + ось £40. На ибее в районе £150, иногда дешевле