This was a big surprise, thank you so much!! A few things worth mentioning: There's a lot of fan theories and drama surrounding Tarja's particular era end. Also it's one Of those things that no one really knows the TRUTH. There's always more than one side to a truth and sometimes it's worse when you are a public figure. I remember seeing their letter posted on their website soon after the tour ended. I was as gutted as any other fan and really confused myself until slowly things started to come to light, and I myself even have my own thoughts on what may have happened. Tuomas DID get a LOT of hate over the situation, and I think a lot of fans forget that They were childhood friends. Taking out any romantic notions or suspicions (aka fan theories), losing a good friend itself would be enough to break your heart when you're already a notoriously soft hearted individual. A thing many fans forget is that Tarja had already intended to leave Nightwish way before the open letter came along. They meant to do things in a more proper way, with another album release and Tarja bowing out in a formal exit, but I'm of the opinion that Tuomas just couldn't stand her behavior anymore. It was putting a lot of noticable strain on everyone. There's a documentary about some of the things going on where you can see the dynamic, and how much it affected the entire band. It's also important to note Tarja's husband, Marcelo, was very involved in managing band affairs, particularly Tarja's. (The documentary is on TH-cam, it's called End of Innocence- a friend of mine named Trinx has uploaded it to her channel in recent) Also, she herself had written a couple of little songs about them on her first Solo album too, or at least it's my opinion after reading and analyzing the lyrics. As for dear Anette, she got WAY TOO MUCH HATE. People boo'd the gal off stage, she got a lot of undeserved hate. She handled it like a champ. She's also such a sweetheart.
I recently came to Nightwish, so I did a little research and I think Master Passion Greed pretty much nailed it on the head. I think it would have gone the better route if she hadn't already left the band mentally. But from 16 years on it is always gonna be 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Respect to Tarja for standing strong through this...Respect to Tuomas for not playing Master Passion Greed or Bye Bye Beautiful live...Respect to Floor for refusing to sing it as Tarja is a good friend of hers. Peace out and Happy Birthday.
Happy Birthday! You made that awesome artwork? I might need to get a hold of you when my album is close to finished for its cover art. You've got talent!
Nightwish actually posted the open letter first immediately following their "End of an Era" show informing Tarja of her dismissal. Tarja followed up thereafter
Floor and Tarja are really good friends and have performed on stage together in the last few years. Tuomas started Nightwish with Emppu (lead guitar) and Tarja when he was 19 years old.
Her husband was her new manager, separate from the rest of the band, it caused huge issues. That's why he's mentioned, because he was part of the problem
@@tubelious according the Tuomas yes. but considering he was caught lying about Annette's departure and and Tarja for that matter, saying she wanted to cancel shows all the time, yet she sang her last concert with a flu and a throat infection, actual reasons to not do the show. and she didn't know it was her last. I don't take them at their word.
One thing you gotta understand is that Tuomas romanticizes a lot of things in his lyrics, but his and Tarja's relationship wasn't necessarily romantic from either side. Thing is, they were friends since elementary school, and she was certainly very important to Tuomas. He also went through some insanely intense backlash from the media, which resulted in him hurting even more and played a part in writing these songs. Tarja's husband butted himself into the mix and caused a lot of trouble from the band members to management, to the point tours had to be cancelled (this dude has also had problems with basically every band he's been associated with; there's been other musicians unrelated to Nightwish who have threatened to kill him if they ever see him again). Tarja had been publicly saying she was gonna leave the band for a long time, because her husband had convinced her that she was bigger than Nightwish. Tuomas had to deal with this stuff for months, maybe years, which pretty much drove him to a breaking point despite him trying to keep everyone together. Eventually Tarja told him that Nightwish would be "nothing without her" and as such basically buried Tuomas' entire life's work. This was the point when he decided Tarja was gonna go (Marko had already said if Tarja didn't leave, he would). That's what the line "red-hot blade of your words" is referring to. It's not about anything romantic, it's about Tarja saying Nightwish was nothing without her. You will hear a lot of people say there was something between Tuomas and Tarja, but I'd urge you to look deeper into Tuomas' lyrics. They're not that shallow. Tuomas writes very emotional and romantic lyrics no matter what the subject is, and one of his most common lyrical themes is the loss of childhood innocence. So whenever there's a "love song" of some sort, people always assume it's about him and Tarja. In reality, these "love songs", such as 'Ghost Love Score' are more like songs to his childhood self. Almost like love songs to his own youth. Would also like to point out, since you were wondering about it, that Tuomas has been married to another musician for ten years now, and has another band with her. Kind of weird to make the assumption/statement that he'd be an awkward person to be in a relationship with just cause he went through beef with a former band member and wrote a song about it. Many musicians have done exactly the same thing; just that since Tarja is a woman, people make dumb assumptions.
THIS. I've said before something very similar to Vin. Further, The whole notion that Tuomas was 'in love' with Tarja stems from no more than fan theories and the fact that Marcelo claimed it was the case.
Annette's voice really suits this song. And Marko(basist and singer in this song) also left the bend just few days ago, blaming mostly the music industry....
I think they didn't play this song a lot, Tuomas said various times he doesn't want to come back to the 'Dark Passion Play era'. I think they feel bad for all the situation that took place (and also the emotional rollercoaster for Tuomas). Right now they are in a much better relationship; Marko (the one who sings the chorus) has performed live with Tarja for her solo shows, and Floor and Tarja are close friends.
It is hard to say exactly where the start was in the split between Tarja and the rest of Nightwish. There was an "open letter" that was given to her physically immediately after the "End of an Era" recorded concert at the conclusion of their world tour in Helsinki that was also posted for all to see online. The letter indicated that thru words and actions, some rather edgy, that she intended to do one more album and would then leave the band. The other members obviously weren't too keen on having that looming over them, feeling that she and her husband (who also had a hand in managing the band) might call it quits at any time and decided to have the separation happen on their terms. Was it right to be more proactive or handle it all so publicly? Was there more to it? All up for debate, but this song and official video was very much a "heart on his sleeve" moment for Tuomas. Not a proud moment, but such is life.
It was my understanding that Tarja's husband was also her manager, and he was attempting to change things within the band that Thuomas and the other band members didn't like.
Everybody loves Floor, and with good reason, she's a good singer - but in my honest opinion, the albums with Annette are my two favorite in their entire catalogue. "Dark Passion Play" and "Imaginaerum" are stellar albums. Tarja was an incredible singer as well, but I just could never personally get into Nightwish's earlier albums, outside of a song here or there. Which says more about me than Tarja, honestly. Great discussion, btw!
i agree with your love to DPP and Imaginaerum, but i like every song from them sang by Floor more than from Anette. Slow, Love, Slow might be the only exception.
The guys in Nightwish and Tarja herself are on speaking terms today,so the past is history so to speak. I still think the relationship with them and Marcelo is still abit of a touchy subject,as he did awhole lot of drama "over nothing" and "behind the curtains". (Tarjas husband AND manager) Like the guys said themselfs and especially Marco (even at his official statement over his departure from Nightwish,he expected fans to jump out the gates and attack Tuomas or whoever,to have someone to blame)"Some fans dont seem to have let things go,even today". I know regardless of the type of Nightwish supporter you are (wich "side" you take),The Nightwish Army is passionate about the band,the music,the members,the history etc. Both good and "bad" (it can be a little too much) And i understand every side of it,eventhough i wouldnt necessarily do or say what some might do/say. But what i have learned over the years,is that thoose who still favor Tarja,seem to use historical events with the band,and add made up bullshit with it. Even till this day.....allmost in a true "Marcelo type of way". I used to be on Tarjas side,its just who i am,and to me she was the first ever operatic Metal singer i ever heard! There was noone else for me (i thought),and i was protective and biased when i heard about the drama and the breakup. I blamed the guys,looked upon them as cold,evil and you name it. I even got a friend who crushed hard on Tarja,and he was all out hating on the guys,and defending her. I later on knew that he was "blinded by his love for Tarja". So was i in a way,but i had the ability to look up,research things and try to look things through from both sides. I read theyr full public statement,wih also was like a "letter to Tarjas accusations etc". They completely turned me around,when i saw all the facts that were served in front of me. Also when i learned to know how heavy of an impact this had on Tuomas especially. There was no way he could be the big bad wolf. My biggest mistace wasnt favoring Tarja for some time "blindly",it was me abandoning the band for.....most of Anettes era in the band. I do regret it today,and wish i could change it. The worst supporter,is the kind who stops supporting an entire band,just because of a vocalist. My fear was simply that Nightwish would never be the same again,it would be ruined forever without Tarja. Then came Floor,and i was back in without questioning. Sure,Nightwish was still not the same as before. They were BIGGER,BETTER....just complete overall! And Floor plus Troy sent them into another dimension live and on record! Now i believe that Floor is the absolute best vocalist live and on record i have ever heard! And i have been going through a dozen genres of music,tons of artists,duos or bands since the 80s and till today. So my words dont come out lightly. Anyway,Floor has also tought me that Tarja even Anette didnt have chemistry with the guys,because now they are toghter then ever,treat eachother like family not just friends. And Floor is not threatened by anyone,she will confront anyone head on if she is being disrespected etc. So we know,if there were any truth to some of the guys being like portraied by Marcelo,Floor would not have it and speak out about it. Im sure she would quit the band alltogether as well. So it makes me very confident that most of the bullshit,came from a very insecure "rat" named Marcelo. I dont even blame Tarja too much,because remember....they didnt even recognize theyr own childhood friend over the last few years,before she left. Someone was clearly manipulating her into behaving a certain way when touring etc with them.
Tuomas wrote one album about the situation. The Poet and the Pendulum is about the media and government backlash over firing Tarja and his personal depression. Bye, Bye Beautiful is about Tarja, after 9 years in the band, no longer practicing with them, traveling separately from them, telling the press that the band was ending after their next album so she could do her solo career. They no longer play BBB live. Her husband was also her manager and the song Master Passion Greed is about him and has never been performed live. It is also their heaviest song. By the way, it was the whole band that decided to fire her not just Tuomas.
Floor has never performed this song and imo never will. She is a very good friend of Tarja's. She recently did a live stream on Instagram with her and they both have shared the stage together in 2013.
*Wow.....and another one. The decision, that Nightwish won't ever perform the song live again, was made long before somebody thought that Floor would be step in for Anette. Floor don't has to sing "BBB", because Tuomas Holopainen stated in the end of 2008, after the first half of the "Dark Passion Play"-World Tour, that Nightwish will NEVER perform "BBB" live again and it will NOT appear on any upcoming setlist again. In 2009, before the 2nd half of the World Tour, Nightwish took "BBB" of the setlist and filled the spot with "7 Days To The Wolves".*
@@NicholasCorvin yes, the band members have matured and they made the decision long ago. I'm just pointing out why Floor wouldn't do it as they were asking specifically about her. No need to get upset about it. The outcome is the same - BBB won't get performed anymore.
@@martvil2018 *Just sayin'......somebody could think that they had ask her.....so better writing down the facts....BBB got cancelled from ANY UPCOMING setlist long way before Floor stepped in....*
*For Your Info: The decision, that Nightwish won't ever perform the song live again, was made long before somebody thought that Floor would step in for Anette. Floor don't has to sing "BBB", because Tuomas Holopainen stated in the end of 2008, after the first half of the "Dark Passion Play"-World Tour, that Nightwish will NEVER perform "BBB" live again and it will NOT appear on any upcoming setlist again. In 2009, before the 2nd half of the World Tour, Nightwish took "BBB" of the setlist and filled the spot with "7 Days To The Wolves".*
I fully understand why they kicked Tarja out of the band. They were just not a band anymore, they couldn't come to an agreement. The rest of the team were in tune and loved what they were doing, despite the smaller quarrels that normally happen. Tarja and Marcelo had other plans and because of them they couldn't doing what they wanted and it spoiled the atmosphere in the team. In fact, Marcelo wanted to decide the fate of the band by blackmailing them through Tarja, whom he had a huge influence on. For Tarja, it wasn't easy either because she had to play a lot of gigs on the tour, which is not easy and tiring for the singer. So it was a team decision to survive and start over in a healthier atmosphere. The only way they kicked Tarja out of the band I don't like because they could have done it among themselves and then make it public. I recommend the book "Once upon time Nigtwish". It tells about the biography of the band before its formation, until they parted ways with Tarja.
Oh man I’m white as fck farm boy. I love your debate. I’m totally with you man. You’re analysis is so on point. It’s complex but they had to break up after shit got hot I will say you don’t understand the mind of Northern Europeans though! We don’t front anything but we are spiritually ready for war/death. Us Norwegians found North American and lived there 600 years before Columbus. Love you guys 🤙
You have a little something in your hair, Vin. As the pirate said when asked about the steering wheel on his belt buckle, "Argh, it's drivin' me nuts!"
Great conversation afterwards first time watching from beginning to end mostly because I'm not really a lyric listener or wanting to know what a song means I just enjoy by the totality of it, musically n how catchy it is but this reaction was different and thought it was fascinating
Hi there guys. You reacted to "The Poet and the Pendulum" lyric video with Anette a long time ago and i remember that you said "i wonder if they can pull this of Live" and hell yes they can. Please please react to "The Poet and the Pendulum" from wembley with Floor on vocals. The song is about Toumas feelings after Tarja left the band. You will drop your jaw. Tnx ;)
T didn't leave the band, she was kicked out with a public letter, after she had kept the rest of the band in a loose noose for over 2 years. She had repeated said that she could quit the band the next day, and she'd have a career in classical music, whiel the band would be in trouble, to get more money, more power in the band.
It is said that "Master, Passion, Greed" is how the band felt about Tarja's Husband Marcel, (He was interjecting himself into the band, the rumor is that some of the lyrics of MPG is Marcels words being thrown back in his face) I think there is a bit of shame in this song (MPG) now but it shows how angry the band was (so angry the made DEATH METAL) MPG is by far Nightwish's heaviest song. It will never be played live, and probable never again in fact.
Just read the letters myself as well. Bullshit. They accuse her of very specific things and behaviours but in her response to them, she doesn't even make an effort to deny anything. So, I heard both of them and I'm on the side of the guys. Not Tarja.
Now they should react to Epica’s song “Run For a Fall”. It’s Mark Jansen(no relation) venting about Floor Jansen after he got kicked out of After Forever.
They fired Tarja is a very public way straight after the End of an Era concert... The band put the letter in which they fired her in onto their web site before she even ever saw it. It was done so horribly that this became a national crisis... The media were on this piece of turd like flies and she was taken from completing a legendary concert already ill to off the band. The clap back you just read is just a reply torn out by media from Tarja... The husband of Tarja was in the middle of this as he became her manager and started to make demands of the band... I as anyone else am not privy to all the details, but the fact is they fired Tarja in a really ugly and public way... And the way it was done drove Tuomas to the point where Poet and Pendelum etc were written in... This one of the rebound songs on the album, almost all of the album is. There is "Master passion greed" which they will probably never play live and it is basically about Tarja's husband... It was a rough lesson for all involved, that much we do know, and they have managed these situations a lot better since... So learning was achieved and we got these iconic songs out of Tuomas too, so it wasn't all for nothing, but it will never be the same again... Some genies you just can't put back in the bottle.
Sometimes famous creative people go hard on other creative people and have conflicts. This is song is an angry song and if to look at it without context its a great angry song. If you try to go through context - u might get lost trying to understand the problem and try to take sides.I guess the band was feeking angry about all this and this sing greatly express it. They dont play this song live, by the way. I dont know why they decide to include this song to the album. Perhaps it was too beautiful piece of angry art they couldnt resist adding this track. I dont feel embarassed with it. I feel uneasy and i feel sad. I feel that this is a great honest track and it is powerful. I feel like maybe its "too much". I cant judge - I know i like this song very much even though I like Tarja and I listen to her solo carrier.
Dark Passion Play almost feels like their St. Anger. Not when comparing the quality of the music, but in the sense that in both situations the band used the record to process their emotions. Was it the most healthy way? Probably not, but I'm sure it was important to do it somehow.
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Oh you gotta do Master Passion Greed! Trilogy is complete then. Well, there are more songs about their breakup, but those three imo are the most important ones.
It is obvious Tuomas was in love with Tarja. Then Marcelo come around and probably noticed it (Tarja might have been oblivious about the fact), became jealous and started to drive a wedge between them.
Even if they decided to go with male singer from the start they would still be great band lol. But i guess it was too much for him to sing on top of playing bass and composing. But his voice rocks
Anette did some great studio stuff, like The poet and the pendulum, Amarath, Storytime, and more on that list, i will agree she do not deliver her best in this one, thats Marko in front right, and yes its also not one of my favorite NW songs, i would only rarely put this on my playlist, there is like 100 better NW songs.. almost..lol
Last time I checked Finland was still in Europe. But you're right about how the different countries deal with emotions. Americans seem to think that every country in Europe is the same.
Oh yeah, Tuomas was 100% in love with Tarja. It was just a toxic situation. You can see it in so many of their early songs. Gethsemane, Ghost Love Score, Beauty of the Beast, etc. He just wasn't in a good place emotionally.
Hot take, Tarja was hands down the best vocalist Nightwish ever had, but it's actually good that she left Nightwish because it allowed Nightwish to continue being Nightwish while allowing Tarja to release albums that are miles ahead of anything Nightwish ever could. Tarja as a talent is way larger than the entirety of Nightwish. Not sorry Nightwish fam. I also have a weird take on masculinity. Sori always feeling like she needs to affirm Vin's masculinity is proof that Vin isn't masculine. If you need to talk about your manliness, or have someone compliment it constantly, you're a fraud.
@@benwebb4424 What are you doing here, if you think that Tarja one of the best vocalist around today and miles ahead of (and greater than the entirety of) Nightwish? Still find some enjoyment in Nightwish by any accident?
This song is what firmly planted me on 'Team Tarja', so to speak. First, I am of the belief Annette was a terrible new front for the band, and didn't know they replaced her with Floor until a year or so ago. Now that I know Floor isn't Annette, I can enjoy the new stuff. Honestly though, putting out a hit piece on Tarja because the Keyboardist couldn't have his way with her after many failed attempts, followed up by posting a letter in public firing Tarja... Man, I grew up as a teenager listening to the Tarja Nightwish, taking beautiful walked by the river at night while she sang Phantom of the Opera. I will forever be a Tarja guy, and will forever think that the Keyboardist is a dick. It's just where I stand. Now that I know that they replaced Annette with Floor, I'll be glad to get to know the Floor era of Nightwish, because quite frankly, Annette sucked. Even still though, I can't distance myself from the idea that the Keyboardist who leads the band is just a crybaby who couldn't get the girl he wanted, fired her, and is generally a spiteful dick, but I'm really going to try to get into the Floor stuff. I just can't get past how much of a dick the keyboardist is.
I'm a Nightwish's music fan since 2000, and for me the action that the band had firing Tarja was the best decision that they had, because she informed the band that she was going for a solo career, and she was expecting record the new album but she was not available to tour with the band after that. Logically this was not acceptable from the band point of view. All the rest is sand for the eyes.
Youve either invented or just bought into a lot of childish drama. Even if he had the hots for Tarja for awhile she clearly had to go. Marko gave the ultimatum that he was gone if she stayed. The others also wanted her gone. THey were tired of her $#@%. Anette did not suck. She's very talented. Just not as talented as Tarja. Floor is one of the very best singers in the world and definitely the best singer Nightwish has had.
You clearly haven't put much effort into getting to know the situation for someone that was a fan of the band back then. As people have said the entire band wanted Tarja gone at the point they fired her. Missing how the band suffered from Tarja not fulfilling her less public obligations (like rehearsals) and her husband trying to control things and even ripping the band off financially. He tried to sue Nightwish for exposing thst but the court decided that they were right. You're free to take any side you want but it's hard to give credit to an uneducated opinion.
Idk- I hated Nightwish for a while when they got rid of Tarja. I grew up listening to them, and it broke my heart when this happened. My reaction was childish back then- but now looking back at it, I think NW is just toxic af lol. They did the same thing with Anette, when she got sick. I don't think I will ever appreciate the band the way I used to. They don't even sound the same anymore- in my opinion the best of Nightwish lays pre-End of an Era ERA. Such an awkward song, and it only tells one side of the story. She didn't break up with them, they let her go by sending her a letter after their last show. Very low. Also Tuomas needs to get it together... He had feelings for Tarja and she's married... and her husband is her business manager. Hot mess express.
"I hated Nightwish for a while when they got rid of Tarja" At that point she had already threatened to leave and that she didn't need Nightwish. It doesn't matter what the project is, if anyone on my team does that, then that person needs to be replaced. Doing anything else threatens instability. Did either party handle that well? Absolutely not, but Tarja could never stay in Nightwish when the circumstances were as they were. Also, sidenote, but never make your family your manager/agent.
It would be boring if they still sounded the same after so many years. Anyways, I think no one besides those involved really know what went down, so it's pointless pointing fingers at any of them.
@@basicguy5785 eh. I’m a fan. I support the band and I’m entitled to feel that way. I don’t like comparing bands, but Epica has been evolving since day 1.. they sound different now, but they stay true to their style that got them here today. I just feel like Nightwish is spineless lol. Sorry- but it’s just my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me 🤷🏻♂️
I was very happy when they fired her, at least I was prety sure that was almost impossible to find another singer with that anoying voice tone... at least after she got fired was possible to listening more than 3 songs in a row, without having my ears bleeding, lol
You and everyone else in the Nightwish fandom. 🙄 The hatred I see for her from people like you seems to stem from the same place as the Metallica fans who don’t like good songs like “Bleeding Me” and “The Outlaw Torn” because “it’s not master of puppets”. Which I don’t subscribe to: I was a fan of hers since I heard Dark Passion Play in 2008 to today. Tarja is second-place (thanks to some Croatian people who weren’t as vile as the rest of the Anette-haters I encountered nonstop ever since joining the NW fandom), and I never liked Floor even in After Forever (she is tall, though, which I like).
@@OneTrueVikingbard I don’t hate Annette she’s an insane singer and I like basically everything she does. I just prefer Floor the way I prefer Jim Root over Christian Martucci in Stone Sour I just like and “feel” their stuff more. Either way have a good one 🤘
Thank goodness that you didn't do the live version with Annette singing, it's poor with her singing flat . For real anger try Master Passion Greed all about Tarja's husband. And now they have the wonderful Floor Jansen who can sing anything by either previous vocalist.
This was a big surprise, thank you so much!!
A few things worth mentioning:
There's a lot of fan theories and drama surrounding Tarja's particular era end. Also it's one Of those things that no one really knows the TRUTH. There's always more than one side to a truth and sometimes it's worse when you are a public figure.
I remember seeing their letter posted on their website soon after the tour ended. I was as gutted as any other fan and really confused myself until slowly things started to come to light, and I myself even have my own thoughts on what may have happened.
Tuomas DID get a LOT of hate over the situation, and I think a lot of fans forget that They were childhood friends. Taking out any romantic notions or suspicions (aka fan theories), losing a good friend itself would be enough to break your heart when you're already a notoriously soft hearted individual.
A thing many fans forget is that Tarja had already intended to leave Nightwish way before the open letter came along. They meant to do things in a more proper way, with another album release and Tarja bowing out in a formal exit, but I'm of the opinion that Tuomas just couldn't stand her behavior anymore. It was putting a lot of noticable strain on everyone.
There's a documentary about some of the things going on where you can see the dynamic, and how much it affected the entire band. It's also important to note Tarja's husband, Marcelo, was very involved in managing band affairs, particularly Tarja's. (The documentary is on TH-cam, it's called End of Innocence- a friend of mine named Trinx has uploaded it to her channel in recent)
Also, she herself had written a couple of little songs about them on her first Solo album too, or at least it's my opinion after reading and analyzing the lyrics.
As for dear Anette, she got WAY TOO MUCH HATE. People boo'd the gal off stage, she got a lot of undeserved hate. She handled it like a champ. She's also such a sweetheart.
*Happy Birthday 🍀🎁💐 and greetings from the deep south of Germany. Stay safe.*
@@NicholasCorvin thank you so much!!! Have a wonderful day ❤️
I recently came to Nightwish, so I did a little research and I think Master Passion Greed pretty much nailed it on the head. I think it would have gone the better route if she hadn't already left the band mentally. But from 16 years on it is always gonna be 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Respect to Tarja for standing strong through this...Respect to Tuomas for not playing Master Passion Greed or Bye Bye Beautiful live...Respect to Floor for refusing to sing it as Tarja is a good friend of hers. Peace out and Happy Birthday.
I always hated how so many people treated anette so shitty. she deserves so much more respect.
Happy Birthday! You made that awesome artwork? I might need to get a hold of you when my album is close to finished for its cover art. You've got talent!
Vin talking about Tarja and Tuomas: "European culture is different. Nothing like this would happen in America."
Me: *laughs in Fleetwood Mac*
😂 ... they have no idea. In the US her hubby would’ve shot up the place.
Nightwish actually posted the open letter first immediately following their "End of an Era" show informing Tarja of her dismissal.
Tarja followed up thereafter
Floor and Tarja are really good friends and have performed on stage together in the last few years. Tuomas started Nightwish with Emppu (lead guitar) and Tarja when he was 19 years old.
Tarjas husband, was CAUGHT, SELLING NIGHTWISH TICKETS, BEHIND THE BANDS BACK, and then POCKETED THE MONEY FOR HIMSELF!😠
Master Passion Greed..
This
Her husband was her new manager, separate from the rest of the band, it caused huge issues. That's why he's mentioned, because he was part of the problem
not just a part, he was the key accelerator of the whole shitstorm.
@@tubelious according the Tuomas yes. but considering he was caught lying about Annette's departure and and Tarja for that matter, saying she wanted to cancel shows all the time, yet she sang her last concert with a flu and a throat infection, actual reasons to not do the show. and she didn't know it was her last. I don't take them at their word.
@@coachmikesfilmroom3111 Read Marko's book Stainless, it's an eye opener against the media spun bullshit.
One thing you gotta understand is that Tuomas romanticizes a lot of things in his lyrics, but his and Tarja's relationship wasn't necessarily romantic from either side. Thing is, they were friends since elementary school, and she was certainly very important to Tuomas. He also went through some insanely intense backlash from the media, which resulted in him hurting even more and played a part in writing these songs. Tarja's husband butted himself into the mix and caused a lot of trouble from the band members to management, to the point tours had to be cancelled (this dude has also had problems with basically every band he's been associated with; there's been other musicians unrelated to Nightwish who have threatened to kill him if they ever see him again). Tarja had been publicly saying she was gonna leave the band for a long time, because her husband had convinced her that she was bigger than Nightwish. Tuomas had to deal with this stuff for months, maybe years, which pretty much drove him to a breaking point despite him trying to keep everyone together. Eventually Tarja told him that Nightwish would be "nothing without her" and as such basically buried Tuomas' entire life's work. This was the point when he decided Tarja was gonna go (Marko had already said if Tarja didn't leave, he would). That's what the line "red-hot blade of your words" is referring to. It's not about anything romantic, it's about Tarja saying Nightwish was nothing without her.
You will hear a lot of people say there was something between Tuomas and Tarja, but I'd urge you to look deeper into Tuomas' lyrics. They're not that shallow. Tuomas writes very emotional and romantic lyrics no matter what the subject is, and one of his most common lyrical themes is the loss of childhood innocence. So whenever there's a "love song" of some sort, people always assume it's about him and Tarja. In reality, these "love songs", such as 'Ghost Love Score' are more like songs to his childhood self. Almost like love songs to his own youth. Would also like to point out, since you were wondering about it, that Tuomas has been married to another musician for ten years now, and has another band with her. Kind of weird to make the assumption/statement that he'd be an awkward person to be in a relationship with just cause he went through beef with a former band member and wrote a song about it. Many musicians have done exactly the same thing; just that since Tarja is a woman, people make dumb assumptions.
THIS. I've said before something very similar to Vin.
Further, The whole notion that Tuomas was 'in love' with Tarja stems from no more than fan theories and the fact that Marcelo claimed it was the case.
I had the privilege of seeing Nightwish on this tour, and this song rocked live.
Annette's voice really suits this song. And Marko(basist and singer in this song) also left the bend just few days ago, blaming mostly the music industry....
Seriously? Damn man. Long live Nightwish..
Master passion greed 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You should check out Master Passion Greed, it's a song from the same album and it's the darkest/heaviest Nightwish song they ever made
I agree, I've always thought it was their heaviest. Not so much the darkest but definitely the heaviest indeed.
...and it's about Marcelo. They both got their own songs.
@@petertapola8097 yes exactly
This. Ten times.
Tristania - Beyond the veil
Hell Yeah!!!
Yeah !!
And sequel of decay!
I still can't believe Marko left
Same... I'm still sad about it but I hope he feels better soon
Sori did a great job with the makeup she looks pretty
I think they didn't play this song a lot, Tuomas said various times he doesn't want to come back to the 'Dark Passion Play era'. I think they feel bad for all the situation that took place (and also the emotional rollercoaster for Tuomas). Right now they are in a much better relationship; Marko (the one who sings the chorus) has performed live with Tarja for her solo shows, and Floor and Tarja are close friends.
Damn I remember when this channel had less than a thousand subscribers.
It is hard to say exactly where the start was in the split between Tarja and the rest of Nightwish. There was an "open letter" that was given to her physically immediately after the "End of an Era" recorded concert at the conclusion of their world tour in Helsinki that was also posted for all to see online. The letter indicated that thru words and actions, some rather edgy, that she intended to do one more album and would then leave the band. The other members obviously weren't too keen on having that looming over them, feeling that she and her husband (who also had a hand in managing the band) might call it quits at any time and decided to have the separation happen on their terms. Was it right to be more proactive or handle it all so publicly? Was there more to it? All up for debate, but this song and official video was very much a "heart on his sleeve" moment for Tuomas. Not a proud moment, but such is life.
*He was only Tarja's manager and wanted to get more influence [which obviously the rest of the band did NOT wanted....]*
It was my understanding that Tarja's husband was also her manager, and he was attempting to change things within the band that Thuomas and the other band members didn't like.
Annette was singing her own good bye for the near future
Pls i feel bad for her🥺
@No One ik ik i love their stuff!
Everybody loves Floor, and with good reason, she's a good singer - but in my honest opinion, the albums with Annette are my two favorite in their entire catalogue. "Dark Passion Play" and "Imaginaerum" are stellar albums.
Tarja was an incredible singer as well, but I just could never personally get into Nightwish's earlier albums, outside of a song here or there. Which says more about me than Tarja, honestly.
Great discussion, btw!
i agree with your love to DPP and Imaginaerum, but i like every song from them sang by Floor more than from Anette. Slow, Love, Slow might be the only exception.
Tarja didn't leave... She was fired by an open letter from the band. Her letter to the band was in response to her firing
The husband was involved because he was Tarja's manager.
The guys in Nightwish and Tarja herself are on speaking terms today,so the past is history so to speak. I still think the relationship with them and Marcelo is still abit of a touchy subject,as he did awhole lot of drama "over nothing" and "behind the curtains". (Tarjas husband AND manager) Like the guys said themselfs and especially Marco (even at his official statement over his departure from Nightwish,he expected fans to jump out the gates and attack Tuomas or whoever,to have someone to blame)"Some fans dont seem to have let things go,even today". I know regardless of the type of Nightwish supporter you are (wich "side" you take),The Nightwish Army is passionate about the band,the music,the members,the history etc. Both good and "bad" (it can be a little too much) And i understand every side of it,eventhough i wouldnt necessarily do or say what some might do/say. But what i have learned over the years,is that thoose who still favor Tarja,seem to use historical events with the band,and add made up bullshit with it. Even till this day.....allmost in a true "Marcelo type of way". I used to be on Tarjas side,its just who i am,and to me she was the first ever operatic Metal singer i ever heard! There was noone else for me (i thought),and i was protective and biased when i heard about the drama and the breakup. I blamed the guys,looked upon them as cold,evil and you name it. I even got a friend who crushed hard on Tarja,and he was all out hating on the guys,and defending her. I later on knew that he was "blinded by his love for Tarja".
So was i in a way,but i had the ability to look up,research things and try to look things through from both sides. I read theyr full public statement,wih also was like a "letter to Tarjas accusations etc".
They completely turned me around,when i saw all the facts that were served in front of me. Also when i learned to know how heavy of an impact this had on Tuomas especially. There was no way he could be the big bad wolf.
My biggest mistace wasnt favoring Tarja for some time "blindly",it was me abandoning the band for.....most of Anettes era in the band. I do regret it today,and wish i could change it. The worst supporter,is the kind who stops supporting an entire band,just because of a vocalist. My fear was simply that Nightwish would never be the same again,it would be ruined forever without Tarja.
Then came Floor,and i was back in without questioning. Sure,Nightwish was still not the same as before. They were BIGGER,BETTER....just complete overall! And Floor plus Troy sent them into another dimension live and on record! Now i believe that Floor is the absolute best vocalist live and on record i have ever heard! And i have been going through a dozen genres of music,tons of artists,duos or bands since the 80s and till today. So my words dont come out lightly. Anyway,Floor has also tought me that Tarja even Anette didnt have chemistry with the guys,because now they are toghter then ever,treat eachother like family not just friends. And Floor is not threatened by anyone,she will confront anyone head on if she is being disrespected etc. So we know,if there were any truth to some of the guys being like portraied by Marcelo,Floor would not have it and speak out about it. Im sure she would quit the band alltogether as well. So it makes me very confident that most of the bullshit,came from a very insecure "rat" named Marcelo. I dont even blame Tarja too much,because remember....they didnt even recognize theyr own childhood friend over the last few years,before she left. Someone was clearly manipulating her into behaving a certain way when touring etc with them.
Tuomas wrote one album about the situation. The Poet and the Pendulum is about the media and government backlash over firing Tarja and his personal depression. Bye, Bye Beautiful is about Tarja, after 9 years in the band, no longer practicing with them, traveling separately from them, telling the press that the band was ending after their next album so she could do her solo career. They no longer play BBB live. Her husband was also her manager and the song Master Passion Greed is about him and has never been performed live. It is also their heaviest song. By the way, it was the whole band that decided to fire her not just Tuomas.
VinAnd Sori LIVE !
Floor has never performed this song and imo never will. She is a very good friend of Tarja's. She recently did a live stream on Instagram with her and they both have shared the stage together in 2013.
*Wow.....and another one. The decision, that Nightwish won't ever perform the song live again, was made long before somebody thought that Floor would be step in for Anette. Floor don't has to sing "BBB", because Tuomas Holopainen stated in the end of 2008, after the first half of the "Dark Passion Play"-World Tour, that Nightwish will NEVER perform "BBB" live again and it will NOT appear on any upcoming setlist again. In 2009, before the 2nd half of the World Tour, Nightwish took "BBB" of the setlist and filled the spot with "7 Days To The Wolves".*
@@NicholasCorvin yes, the band members have matured and they made the decision long ago. I'm just pointing out why Floor wouldn't do it as they were asking specifically about her. No need to get upset about it. The outcome is the same - BBB won't get performed anymore.
@@martvil2018 *Just sayin'......somebody could think that they had ask her.....so better writing down the facts....BBB got cancelled from ANY UPCOMING setlist long way before Floor stepped in....*
Yes, this was REALLY about the situation with Tarja and Toumas and Nightwish!😬
*For Your Info: The decision, that Nightwish won't ever perform the song live again, was made long before somebody thought that Floor would step in for Anette. Floor don't has to sing "BBB", because Tuomas Holopainen stated in the end of 2008, after the first half of the "Dark Passion Play"-World Tour, that Nightwish will NEVER perform "BBB" live again and it will NOT appear on any upcoming setlist again. In 2009, before the 2nd half of the World Tour, Nightwish took "BBB" of the setlist and filled the spot with "7 Days To The Wolves".*
And why that happened please?
@@NadirAvids i guess they made up their minds and saw thats not the right way to handle the end of a long lasting relationship ???
Yeah but thats kinda late lol, the song is already made, and its for a sure is a diss song toward Tarja.:
I fully understand why they kicked Tarja out of the band. They were just not a band anymore, they couldn't come to an agreement. The rest of the team were in tune and loved what they were doing, despite the smaller quarrels that normally happen. Tarja and Marcelo had other plans and because of them they couldn't doing what they wanted and it spoiled the atmosphere in the team. In fact, Marcelo wanted to decide the fate of the band by blackmailing them through Tarja, whom he had a huge influence on. For Tarja, it wasn't easy either because she had to play a lot of gigs on the tour, which is not easy and tiring for the singer. So it was a team decision to survive and start over in a healthier atmosphere. The only way they kicked Tarja out of the band I don't like because they could have done it among themselves and then make it public. I recommend the book "Once upon time Nigtwish". It tells about the biography of the band before its formation, until they parted ways with Tarja.
Oh man I’m white as fck farm boy. I love your debate. I’m totally with you man. You’re analysis is so on point. It’s complex but they had to break up after shit got hot
I will say you don’t understand the mind of Northern Europeans though! We don’t front anything but we are spiritually ready for war/death. Us Norwegians found North American and lived there 600 years before Columbus. Love you guys 🤙
Ain't NOBODY care! 😂
You have a little something in your hair, Vin. As the pirate said when asked about the steering wheel on his belt buckle, "Argh, it's drivin' me nuts!"
its driving me absolutely nuts that i cant just reach into my screen and pick that little spec of dust off vins head.
Hahaha yep
I really like the official music for this
Happy birthday Pony. Those are dope ass graphics.
Thank you so much!! 🥰
Great conversation afterwards first time watching from beginning to end mostly because I'm not really a lyric listener or wanting to know what a song means I just enjoy by the totality of it, musically n how catchy it is but this reaction was different and thought it was fascinating
Hi there guys. You reacted to "The Poet and the Pendulum" lyric video with Anette a long time ago and i remember that you said "i wonder if they can pull this of Live" and hell yes they can. Please please react to "The Poet and the Pendulum" from wembley with Floor on vocals. The song is about Toumas feelings after Tarja left the band. You will drop your jaw. Tnx ;)
Saw them live in Denver and Anette killed it.
T didn't leave the band, she was kicked out with a public letter, after she had kept the rest of the band in a loose noose for over 2 years. She had repeated said that she could quit the band the next day, and she'd have a career in classical music, whiel the band would be in trouble, to get more money, more power in the band.
Also, Toumas made the song for TARJA, ABOUT TARJA AND HIM, called 'SHE IS MY SIN'.
I call bullshit for that. They haven't ever got any romantic issues. The only one saying that has been Marcelo.
Kreator - Enemy of god
Destruction - Curse the gods
Testament - hotdogfaced gods. I know i cant helpmyselfish
The beginning of the song definitely sounds like the saw theme
She thought she was bigger than the band .critical of the songs not showing for rehearsals
This, absolutely.
Anybody else think sori eyes look beautiful in this video
No, they look beautiful in every video.
Hey Vin and Sori. I think the conflict video you are talking about was Bullet For My Valentine "Tears Don't Fall"
This is basically a diss track. It's good, though.
sometimes it feels weird knowing that marko was the one who wanted to get rid of tarja, when they seeminhly had incredible stage presence together
Metal Church
In hindsight; the best decision Toumas (and Empuu) made.
I normally don't comment but this is a huge disservice not using their official video.
It is said that "Master, Passion, Greed" is how the band felt about Tarja's Husband Marcel, (He was interjecting himself into the band, the rumor is that some of the lyrics of MPG is Marcels words being thrown back in his face) I think there is a bit of shame in this song (MPG) now but it shows how angry the band was (so angry the made DEATH METAL) MPG is by far Nightwish's heaviest song. It will never be played live, and probable never again in fact.
Just read the letters myself as well. Bullshit. They accuse her of very specific things and behaviours but in her response to them, she doesn't even make an effort to deny anything. So, I heard both of them and I'm on the side of the guys. Not Tarja.
Honestly, same.
A great gothic metal song : Evereve - prologue - the bride wears black
Now they should react to Epica’s song “Run For a Fall”. It’s Mark Jansen(no relation) venting about Floor Jansen after he got kicked out of After Forever.
They fired Tarja is a very public way straight after the End of an Era concert... The band put the letter in which they fired her in onto their web site before she even ever saw it. It was done so horribly that this became a national crisis... The media were on this piece of turd like flies and she was taken from completing a legendary concert already ill to off the band. The clap back you just read is just a reply torn out by media from Tarja... The husband of Tarja was in the middle of this as he became her manager and started to make demands of the band... I as anyone else am not privy to all the details, but the fact is they fired Tarja in a really ugly and public way... And the way it was done drove Tuomas to the point where Poet and Pendelum etc were written in... This one of the rebound songs on the album, almost all of the album is. There is "Master passion greed" which they will probably never play live and it is basically about Tarja's husband...
It was a rough lesson for all involved, that much we do know, and they have managed these situations a lot better since... So learning was achieved and we got these iconic songs out of Tuomas too, so it wasn't all for nothing, but it will never be the same again... Some genies you just can't put back in the bottle.
Nightwish
Bye Bye Tarja🇫🇮🤘
Ok. Now as a right of reply for Tarja, you guys should react to "Enough" , "Diva" or " Dark Star".😁
Sometimes famous creative people go hard on other creative people and have conflicts. This is song is an angry song and if to look at it without context its a great angry song. If you try to go through context - u might get lost trying to understand the problem and try to take sides.I guess the band was feeking angry about all this and this sing greatly express it. They dont play this song live, by the way. I dont know why they decide to include this song to the album. Perhaps it was too beautiful piece of angry art they couldnt resist adding this track. I dont feel embarassed with it. I feel uneasy and i feel sad. I feel that this is a great honest track and it is powerful. I feel like maybe its "too much". I cant judge - I know i like this song very much even though I like Tarja and I listen to her solo carrier.
Dark Passion Play almost feels like their St. Anger. Not when comparing the quality of the music, but in the sense that in both situations the band used the record to process their emotions. Was it the most healthy way? Probably not, but I'm sure it was important to do it somehow.
@@apeflight5553 what is a healthy way to process emotions if not through music? not saying this particular song is the right way though
They published their letter first.
Hi Vin & Sori, i have recommendation for you :
1. Felix Irwan - When we we're young (Adele) cover
2. Vanny Vabiola - Without you (Mariah Carey) cover
3. Vanny Vabiola - I Will always love you (Whitney Houston) cover.
❤️❤️👍🙏
3. Vanny Vabiola - I Will always love you (Dolly Pardon) cover.
Sorry for the correction, but it is a common mistake.
Oh you gotta do Master Passion Greed! Trilogy is complete then. Well, there are more songs about their breakup, but those three imo are the most important ones.
I absolutely believe MPG is their most heavy song, sonically. Lyrically it's as intense
It is obvious Tuomas was in love with Tarja. Then Marcelo come around and probably noticed it (Tarja might have been oblivious about the fact), became jealous and started to drive a wedge between them.
Nice reaction, but... Alexi Laiho / COB reaction next???
The bassistt said Bye Bye to Nightwish.
not really, he also took a hiatus from his own band. Can't exactly quit Tarot, unless he leaves his brother.
Even if they decided to go with male singer from the start they would still be great band lol. But i guess it was too much for him to sing on top of playing bass and composing. But his voice rocks
Well despite the main problem, I think that this song is "suitable" for this genre, lol...
I feel like Tarja just like laughed, but felt sad, I guess
🤘❤️🤘
Anette did some great studio stuff, like The poet and the pendulum, Amarath, Storytime, and more on that list, i will agree she do not deliver her best in this one, thats Marko in front right, and yes its also not one of my favorite NW songs, i would only rarely put this on my playlist, there is like 100 better NW songs.. almost..lol
Do Dainty Delusive Doll by Enslavement of Beauty 🙏 my first ever request on this channel
React to Angra - Carolina IV
React to Kakatonia - Help me dissapear. pls
Thrice next???
They're not European, they're Finnish 🤣 we are not good at talking about our emotions directly.
finns are european, tollo
Last time I checked Finland was still in Europe. But you're right about how the different countries deal with emotions. Americans seem to think that every country in Europe is the same.
🤣🤣🤣😅......Finxit.....Finland has joined England in leaving the European union....why has this been kept so quiet
@@TualCor I know. It was a joke because we finns are little bit different than other countries in Europe.
React to "Megadeth - We The People"
Oh yeah, Tuomas was 100% in love with Tarja. It was just a toxic situation.
You can see it in so many of their early songs. Gethsemane, Ghost Love Score, Beauty of the Beast, etc. He just wasn't in a good place emotionally.
Hot take, Tarja was hands down the best vocalist Nightwish ever had, but it's actually good that she left Nightwish because it allowed Nightwish to continue being Nightwish while allowing Tarja to release albums that are miles ahead of anything Nightwish ever could. Tarja as a talent is way larger than the entirety of Nightwish. Not sorry Nightwish fam.
I also have a weird take on masculinity. Sori always feeling like she needs to affirm Vin's masculinity is proof that Vin isn't masculine. If you need to talk about your manliness, or have someone compliment it constantly, you're a fraud.
How very hot take cannon of you. Tarja fanboy.
@@paulriddle7818 I have no issue admitting I'm a Tarja fanboy. She just straight up has one of the best voices in modern music.
@@benwebb4424 What are you doing here, if you think that Tarja one of the best vocalist around today and miles ahead of (and greater than the entirety of) Nightwish? Still find some enjoyment in Nightwish by any accident?
"They're europeans" Wtf?
This song is what firmly planted me on 'Team Tarja', so to speak. First, I am of the belief Annette was a terrible new front for the band, and didn't know they replaced her with Floor until a year or so ago. Now that I know Floor isn't Annette, I can enjoy the new stuff. Honestly though, putting out a hit piece on Tarja because the Keyboardist couldn't have his way with her after many failed attempts, followed up by posting a letter in public firing Tarja... Man, I grew up as a teenager listening to the Tarja Nightwish, taking beautiful walked by the river at night while she sang Phantom of the Opera. I will forever be a Tarja guy, and will forever think that the Keyboardist is a dick. It's just where I stand. Now that I know that they replaced Annette with Floor, I'll be glad to get to know the Floor era of Nightwish, because quite frankly, Annette sucked. Even still though, I can't distance myself from the idea that the Keyboardist who leads the band is just a crybaby who couldn't get the girl he wanted, fired her, and is generally a spiteful dick, but I'm really going to try to get into the Floor stuff. I just can't get past how much of a dick the keyboardist is.
All four band members fired her not just Tuomas. Tarja was a dive although i do love her too. Its idle gossip that Tuomas was in love with her.
I'm a Nightwish's music fan since 2000, and for me the action that the band had firing Tarja was the best decision that they had, because she informed the band that she was going for a solo career, and she was expecting record the new album but she was not available to tour with the band after that.
Logically this was not acceptable from the band point of view. All the rest is sand for the eyes.
Youve either invented or just bought into a lot of childish drama. Even if he had the hots for Tarja for awhile she clearly had to go. Marko gave the ultimatum that he was gone if she stayed. The others also wanted her gone. THey were tired of her $#@%.
Anette did not suck. She's very talented. Just not as talented as Tarja.
Floor is one of the very best singers in the world and definitely the best singer Nightwish has had.
You clearly haven't put much effort into getting to know the situation for someone that was a fan of the band back then. As people have said the entire band wanted Tarja gone at the point they fired her.
Missing how the band suffered from Tarja not fulfilling her less public obligations (like rehearsals) and her husband trying to control things and even ripping the band off financially. He tried to sue Nightwish for exposing thst but the court decided that they were right.
You're free to take any side you want but it's hard to give credit to an uneducated opinion.
I'm sorry. You all seem to get the impression that I give a shit about what you have to say.
6/10
Yeah the music video is a 10/10 though.
Idk- I hated Nightwish for a while when they got rid of Tarja. I grew up listening to them, and it broke my heart when this happened. My reaction was childish back then- but now looking back at it, I think NW is just toxic af lol. They did the same thing with Anette, when she got sick. I don't think I will ever appreciate the band the way I used to. They don't even sound the same anymore- in my opinion the best of Nightwish lays pre-End of an Era ERA. Such an awkward song, and it only tells one side of the story. She didn't break up with them, they let her go by sending her a letter after their last show. Very low. Also Tuomas needs to get it together... He had feelings for Tarja and she's married... and her husband is her business manager. Hot mess express.
"I hated Nightwish for a while when they got rid of Tarja" At that point she had already threatened to leave and that she didn't need Nightwish. It doesn't matter what the project is, if anyone on my team does that, then that person needs to be replaced. Doing anything else threatens instability. Did either party handle that well? Absolutely not, but Tarja could never stay in Nightwish when the circumstances were as they were.
Also, sidenote, but never make your family your manager/agent.
It would be boring if they still sounded the same after so many years. Anyways, I think no one besides those involved really know what went down, so it's pointless pointing fingers at any of them.
@@basicguy5785 eh. I’m a fan. I support the band and I’m entitled to feel that way. I don’t like comparing bands, but Epica has been evolving since day 1.. they sound different now, but they stay true to their style that got them here today. I just feel like Nightwish is spineless lol. Sorry- but it’s just my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me 🤷🏻♂️
@@Evenfall19 heh, you respond as if we are having an argument. we don't. No need to feel sorry for your opinion.
I was very happy when they fired her, at least I was prety sure that was almost impossible to find another singer with that anoying voice tone... at least after she got fired was possible to listening more than 3 songs in a row, without having my ears bleeding, lol
A poop metal soap opera 🙄
Soooooo much drama🥱
Annette is my least favorite Nightwish singer ( still awesome tho) still sad marko left 😔 awesome song 🤘
You and everyone else in the Nightwish fandom. 🙄
The hatred I see for her from people like you seems to stem from the same place as the Metallica fans who don’t like good songs like “Bleeding Me” and “The Outlaw Torn” because “it’s not master of puppets”. Which I don’t subscribe to: I was a fan of hers since I heard Dark Passion Play in 2008 to today. Tarja is second-place (thanks to some Croatian people who weren’t as vile as the rest of the Anette-haters I encountered nonstop ever since joining the NW fandom), and I never liked Floor even in After Forever (she is tall, though, which I like).
@@OneTrueVikingbard I don’t hate Annette she’s an insane singer and I like basically everything she does. I just prefer Floor the way I prefer Jim Root over Christian Martucci in Stone Sour I just like and “feel” their stuff more. Either way have a good one 🤘
Anette is a great singer. its just that Tarja is better and Floor is alot better then Tarja.
Thank goodness that you didn't do the live version with Annette singing, it's poor with her singing flat . For real anger try Master Passion Greed all about Tarja's husband. And now they have the wonderful Floor Jansen who can sing anything by either previous vocalist.
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I dislike her voice. She couldn't sing live to save her life. Tarja is #1.
Tuomas is a snake
Ever Dream tuomas made to Tarja