I actually have a TEAC that I got for Christmas last year, and it is much better than that piece of crap even though it doesn't have auto-return or the 78 speed. I don't even understand why they even bothered with the last bit because you need an entirely different kind of stylus and a heavier tracking force to play 78s. Not that anyone really listens to those nowadays, but still.
For the cheaper end of the market ease of operation is probably the most important factor , this thing just doesn't work properly and is going to disappoint . If they are all like this they will be getting a lot of these returned .
It's a chuo denshi magnetic cartridge. The same manufacturer of the similar looking ceramic cartridge. I haven't seen a new turntable with one of them in a while. Numark had one included. They were commonly mounted in slimline headshells without the 2 screw mounting bracket in systems from Sharp and Philips in the early 90's. That cartridge completed with 2 screw standard half inch mounting bracket is the cheapest magnetic cartridge on eBay for around $16 including postage. I bought one to try it again to see if it sounds the same as I always remember them sounding, very bright and sibilant. Bass is there but a bit boomy. Not very tight, deep or smooth.
If it lasts that long without something breaking. I've worked on a lot of 40 year old plastic turntables from the big brands of the day like Marantz, Pioneer etc. They have more than their fair share of problems from arms lifters not lowering properly or broken off, Platter bearings siezed up. A brand new turntable shouldn't have those problems. 50 year old BSR's were built like tanks considering the amount of plastic parts in them.
Sorry, but the build quality of this unit absolutely makes me cringe. There is plastic, and then there is plastic. Watching the tonearm bounce up and down opening and closing the lid was painful.
It was a low grade plastic unfortunately. I REALLY wanted this to be a winner - you will notice my excitement level waning throughout the duration of the video lol!
I too got one for $19.99 at WalMart. I happen to like it. I only had a turntable with a ceramic cartridge (you know which ones). But I also don't have $$ to even spend on the Audio Technica AT LP60. It takes some setting up, but it sounds way better than my cheapy. I listen to mostly thrift shop records on a vintage Panasonic receiver. It's also nice because I can plop it on the kitchen table and my family can boogie with some Herb Alpert records. The music it plays sounds better than my CD's. I think for the $20 it's a good buy. When it was $79, I was going to get the AT LP60, but I couldn't get that much $$ together. Mine must of been a good build, because mine didn't have the lowering problem that was shown in the video. Enjoy!
I found a copy of the owner's manual, and it's no wonder you had trouble adjusting the counterweight, because it tells you to set it to 0.4, which it incorrectly claims is equal to 4 grams. And even if that was correct, 4 grams is too heavy for the MG-09D cartridge, anyway -- its recommended tracking force is 3.0 grams.
I put up a good review a while ago and had to delete it because I discovered the fatal flaw in this turn table. I was having the same issue with the tone arm you had. The wire for the cartridge comes out of the back of the tone arm in such a way that is doesn't allow the tone arm to float which makes it impossible to set the counter weight. There is a sheath around the 4 cartridge wires that makes it rigid which causes it to pull the back of the tone arm down.
I discovered the reason for and solution to many of the problems that you had. I just got one of these for $60 on the Walmart website to see if you just got a bad example. Mine seemed Okay until I lost a nut trying to change out then cartridge for an AT3600L. In looking for the nut, I removed the platter, JUST LIKE YOU DID. After that, I could not balance the tone arm or get it to drop fully on the record. I hope that sounds familiar. I was getting ready to send it back, and then remembered that my automatic turntable from the late seventies would not left me drop the tonearm if the power had gone out while it was in the "end of record" mode. Of course, you weren't at the end of the record, but I bet you that you did not put the platter back in exactly the same position as it was in when you removed it (I didn't). So, the gearing on the platter was telling the auto-return that the tonearm should be up and in the process of moving back to the resting position. In my case, I just rotated the platter by hand until the gears in the auto-return mechanism caught up with the tone arm actually at rest on its stand. I also had to fix the belt position on the motor spindle since I placed it incorrectly the first time, resulting in Ray Eberle sounding like Alvin the Chipmunk. After rotating the platter to reset the auto-return, I was able to balance the tonearm. I checked the result with a scale. You were certainly correct that the included instructions are lousy on this score. It is true that I only got things to work because of my past experiences with cheap automatic turntables. I can understand newcomers or people who are used to better quality (such as.you) becoming frustrated, as I too was for a while. However, now the Onn turntable works great for me and I am even thinking of getting a second one. If anyone out there has one of these, I hope these experiences helps them salvage some use from the turntable.
Compared to the Connected Essentials CET500 turntable which you can get for $59.99 on Amazon, this would not be a good buy even if it was fully working. I knew this one wasn't going to be good when most of the photos on Wal-Mart's site show it with an AT3600L cartridge (instead of the MG09 cartridge it actually comes with) with no stylus and no wires connecting it to the tonearm!
I paid $5.00 for my Philips 777 turntable made in Holland at a Goodwill and it worked fine and had a $300 ADC XLM cartridge mounted to it. $60 for a new stylus, $15 for a new belt. For about the same money got a much better table.
I love Philips turntables. I still have my 212. Not as popular as the Technics turntables but excellent quality and can be found at very affordable prices. Plus they can be repaired. I've also seen Dual and Gerrard turntables out in the wild for great prices. Just have to keep an eye out.
Best Buy is selling a Sharp RP-10 Turntable for $49.99. I can't find any information on it, or even any detailed pictures. Any chance you could review that one? Thanks!
I bought a cheap turntable in the UK, "Bush" brand, played a record on it and it sounded like it was playing under a tunnel. I now have a Technics SL- BD2. Looks late 80s, but my it sounds superb
Great, informational video as always, love your channel! I never once would've thought Walmart would follow Target's lead with their own turntable. Target's seems to be miiiiles better though. Also, I have an old used Gemini turntable in my room with a tonearm that occasionally won't touch the surface of the record. In my case I've found that it's not a problem with the tracking, but with the lever; I put a little more force down on the lever and it stops the skipping. I don't come across issues at all when I manually place the tonearm on the record, however.
It seems a very nice turntable for the price. Nice features for the average vinyl collector with a tight budget. It will not be like a USD35.000 turntable but I'm sure the sound will be very similar. Human ears have a limit that no money can buy increasing.
The features of this turntable (s-shaped tonearm, magnetic cartridge,dampening,etc) make this seem like a really good turntable for the money. But they sacrificed quality for features and as anyone knows good devices with no features is light years better that a feature rich crappy device.
My Heyday turntable has virtually the same features & some of the same design elements. Onn had the right idea, in terms of parts, but the execution is lacking. Target was much more careful in sweating the details. Walmart's user of a plastic platter is one cost-cutting feature too many.
Hey Record-ology question for you. I picked one these up to check it out as you did. I wanted to know if you figured out the counter weight on this unit. The incremental markings on the counter weight aren't what I usually see on a counter weight. If I'm reading it correctly, each fully rotation of the counter weight equals 1 gram of stylus pressure. I'm I correct in my thinking?
That's really strange when I've worked on and owned dozens of turntables and never came across that. It would be incredibly confusing for someone starting out. Let's face it most record players in major retail stores are marketed towards beginners or people less informed that just want to play records.
So I just encountered your channel, with a recommended video -- about the Best Buy player. Of course your mention of this one made me come watch it! As of this moment, the price is 79.99 ... $20 price drop. The site doesn't list it as on-sale.
It’s not a tracking force issue, per se. Rather, the damping of the tone arm lifter is not allowing the lifter to smoothly fall and leave the necessary gap for the tone arm to freely operate so the stylus rests on the record.
I bought what is essentially the upgraded version of this Walmart ONN turntable in the ILIVE ITTB2022 which has a very similar design. The ILIVE version has tensioning screws which allows tightening or loosening to give the arm the correct drop level and allows it to return to the base. I hope this info helps someone who purchases one of these ONN units or the ILIVE version. Best!
That`s really interesting....Enjoyed the video....So many features for such a low price...Pity about the issues...but good that you are able to show the unit as it is....Good points and negatives....Cheers Ade
Interesting they chose to go with a Numark GrooveTool cartridge. It's a very bright trebly cartridge. It's got a lot of features, but it is such a ridiculously cheaply made turntable.
It looks like this is still available. On the Walmart Website the Cartridge, looks a little different, possibly a basic Audio Technica mag unit. Just curious if anyone has purchased one recently, and whether the earlier issues have been addressed. From, your previous experience, I would remark that the Heyday from Target, represents a better bet.
Did you ever do the Target vs. Walmart TT comparison? If you haven’t, this might be a good time to do it, while everything is still in relative lockdown because of the Coronavirus. Keep up the good work-I always enjoy rewatching your videos!!!
Just wanted to give an update. I replaced the original cartridge with a Chinese made Audio Technica AT3600. It sounds great!! Using a digital scale was able to set up just right. Use a protractor to adjust the angles, and wonders will flow from your receiver! My family is listening to it right now. We were listen to Karajan's Beethoven, and now we have a Taste of Honey. A really good turntable for those who can't afford an expensive one. Too bad it's to late to get anymore, for $20 it was a good investment. With the Audio Technica it sounds like vinyl should. (it's like putting a 350 small block into a Ford Pinto!) Better than CD's!!
I just wanted to add some observations as I picked one of these up since they are now on clearance - just to see how bad it was going to be (it's an attractive unit!, just not well made). First, the cartridge supplied with mine (same as model in this review) was pushed back in the headshell all the way, and that is where they fixed it during assembly (same as this one from what I can see in the video). Problem is, that location does not conform to any known alignment I had protractors for, Baerwald, Loefgren, Stevenson & the one used on Technics SL-1200's. Second the needle (defective from manufacture) was cocked about 2-5 degrees sideways, not perpendicular to the platter (I replaced the cartridge with a Stanton 750 purchased from a liquidation supplier for 15 bucks, given the sloppy tone arm suspension on this unit, a spherical stylus is all you should likely use to avoid record damage). One will need a strobe scope to adjust the speed right, and a stylus pressure gauge to set the counter weight properly... and attempt a cartridge alignment with a protractor (assuming the supplied cartridge is not defective like mine). The cartridge mounting hardware are tiny thin screws and are very flimsy. Any anti-skate setting beyond 0 resulted in much too much anti-skate force (but 0 works fine). After about 2 hours of screwing around with it out of the box, I do have it playing properly. Better than a suitcase player, but not by much.
Oh wow they don't even align the cartridge correctly. Those particular cartridges are a bit tricky to align with non parallel sides. They should make some effort. I guess they figure it's a consumer product just get it out of the factory as quick as possible and sold to make profit.
The for a gear mechanism under the platter is for auto return and/or auto cueing. There's no need for any mechanism under the platter otherwise. No 'start' or 'stop' controls evident, so it's strictly auto-return/auto shutoff.
I have a comment and a question. I ordered the Ilive turntable from Walmart and it seems to be exactly the same as this. My question is, is the cartridge upgradable to an ortofon red or blue?
@@phonatic that's good. But most people who have 78s, and know what the proper stylus to use is, will not want to have to switch out styli when there are better and far easier ways to accomplish the same task.
You know - if they improved the design a little bit, fixed the stability and counterweight issues - this would honestly be a pretty decent turntable. maybe a good competitor to the ATLP60.
So true. The comparison of the two turntables sums up the difference between Walmart & Target. The definition of a platter means two different things to the two big box retailers. Target refuses to skimp & Walmart undercuts them on price (and reputation) with warped plastic.
@@michaelstephenson6390 Don't let the red stylus carrier fool you. That appears to be a Sanyo-Fisher MG-09 cartridge, which is in fact a magnetic, and it's spec'd to track at 2-3 grams. It's an inexpensive cartridge, to be sure, and for that reason some OEMs favor it. Little wonder it was chosen for this turntable, but fortunately it looks like you could swap it out if you like. Not that I'd be inclined to put anything particularly high-end on a unit like this. An inexpensive AT3600 or clone might be a viable 'upgrade' path. I certainly wouldn't invest more than that personally on upgrades to a sub-$100 'table. But then, I wouldn't wast $80 on this in the first place.
JC Penney & Sears always used good suppliers for their name brand goods. Walmart bought Onn Electronics & ruined the company with heavy-handed cost cutting measures.
You might have already figured it out but the counterweight is measured in tenths of a gram not grams. You were only adding 0.2 and 0.4 grams and that GrooveTool cartridge needs a lot more than that to track.
P.S. you have to spin it one revolution per gram desired. For example, 3.5 Grams would be balance at zero, spin it 3 complete revolutions, then to 0.5 after.
It's a chuo denshi magnetic cartridge. The same manufacturer of the similar looking ceramic cartridge. I haven't seen a new turntable with one of them in a while. Numark had one included. They were commonly mounted in slimline headshells without the 2 screw mounting bracket in systems from Sharp and Philips in the early 90's. That cartridge completed with 2 screw standard half inch mounting bracket is the cheapest magnetic cartridge on eBay for around $16 including postage. I bought one to try it again to see if it sounds the same as I always remember them sounding, very bright and sibilant. Bass is there but a bit boomy. Not very tight, deep or smooth.
I tried the ONN CD boombox and thought it sounded great but I already have a great Sony one so gave it to my niece and she still uses it daily I was shocked how great it sounded I want to try the ONN Bluetooth speakers next.
Reminds me of that 1byone turntable that I used to have. It has most all of what you see here (except Bluetooth), but it also had a strobe, line in, and the ability to record/playback MP3s from a USB stick. Would've been nice for ~$85-$99 but it skipped like crazy on 45s!
I bought it on black friday and just bought an audio technica cartridge for it, if only i had enough for a half decent new tone arm it wouldnt COMPLETELY suck
With all due respect, adjusting weight and other issues is a very delicate and precise operation on ANY turntable. There are several videos that show this operation. I don't think it is a fault of the turntable.
@@Recordology No idea who makes it, I found one like it on Ali express for 5.73$ Seems like a suitible cartridge for this turntable, I would not upgrade it, rather spend the extra dollars on a better turntable.
@Record-ology What is the number ID on it? It looks like a copy of a Shure MM cartridge. The cue damper rest is not retracting properly. It's sad that newcomers to vinyl records would get their first impression from this turntable. Wal Mart needs to pull this off the market it's a disgrace.
My son’s Fisher Price turntable from the late 80’s that plays 33’s and 45’s has a better build quality that that piece of garbage, and now my Grandson uses it.
That is disappointing - had my hopes up for this one. Still on the hunt for my perfect budget unit. Metal platter, removable headshell, S arm, with at least auto stop if not auto return. Can find three out of four easily, but not the whole package.
Jeremy Hobbs in my opinion bro, the best budget turntable is going to be a used vintage turntable. Although, the new audiotechnica LP-60 or the newer LP-60x is pretty decent for about $80 to $100. If it’s your first turntable, I’d really recommend saving up a little more ( if possible, of course, get whatever you can afford and enjoy ) and getting the LP-120x with the fixed anti skate problems it’s actually a pretty good turntable for about $250, which I would still consider to be a budget deck for the relative quality you get with it and you won’t “grow out” of it as fast once you get more into the hobby
Isn't it a bit late of wallmart to get on the vinyl bandwagon now? Btw, if the tonearm lift has a screw in it, turn it clockwise; it'll lower the down position.
I believe the cartridge to be the infamous Groove Tool which has a recommended tracking force of 3 grams. Great unboxing, the music you put sounded like a chicha or some cumbia. Great review
I was going to say it looks like a Sanyo cartridge. By all accounts, an older design of cartridge (late 1970s or early 1980s, I believe) but fairly decent and inexpensive. The last time I had one, I was unable to locate a 78 stylus for it, but that was 10+ years ago, so that may have changed.
It's a chuo denshi cartridge. It does go under the Sanyo brand sometimes. Probably because it was also fitted to Sanyo turntables. The Audio Technica AT-3600 goes under at least a couple brands. Optimus and Sony plus probably others.
I purchased the iLive turntable that looks exactly like this one and it appears to be user error, the weight needs to be screwed all the way and then the adjustment can me made, if that isn’t done, there is too much weight on the back and the needle will not go down all the way, just like the mistake in the video.
i like watching turntable reviews just to see how different models perform. the performance of this turntable and its cheap build quality made me laugh. saw your review of the target heyday turntable and that one looks better. even the crosley portable suitcase turntable works better than this wal-mart one.
this reminds of the crosley advance the only on it was the sound the tracking was bad it would get stuck in a scratch instead of skipping over it the motor was shot it was going too fast so i took it apart and slowed it down to the correct speed and played ok for a while then it started to speed up again the pitch control didn't any good because after a while it started doing the opposite going too slow and the tenion spring on the auto return was too tight it wouldn't finish the 45s they were playing so i had to loosen the spring so they would finish playing the good about it in my opinion was the sound i had a numark that i had to turn the volume up to 7 to get at least to hear it well the output on crosley advance was louder so i just got fed up with those cheap turntables and save up and got the AT LP 120 and i had no problems
Thank you for your review. Definitely a thumbs down on this one. It should probably get returned on so many levels. Thank you for posting. They may get better as time goes on.
So basically Walmart tried to put so many features in the turntable that they had to compromise on practically everything, even the cartridge, which is not the typical AT3600L, but a Numark Groove Tool (MG-09D MM cart, brought to you by Chuo Denshi- might even be a clone)
After watching this video, as well as the Target turntable review, I think the Target turntable is a better buy hands down. This seems too cheap and looks like it is riddled with problems. I was hopeful at first because at a glance it looks cool, but I think for around that price there are way better options out there. Great Video though!
First, you have to establish a "ZERO" balance for the tonearm just like on every other one, where the arm just floats level. Then turn the counterweight, starting at zero, to desired weight. A small digital scale costs only about $20. Tracking weight is important. The cart looks like an Audio-Technica AT 95 variant, They track at 2 grams and are plenty good for this table. If you put the circlip back on the spindle it should push the platter down and seat it so the platter rides level. Having an adjustable counterweight is a benefit, some other ones in this class just use a coil spring with no real adjustment. What is the noise level when playing a silent groove? That will be your background noise level from the turntable.
You gave it every benefit of every doubt but that thing is comically bad.
Nothing like a technics turntable
@@ignacioperez8358 yea but what is?
I actually have a TEAC that I got for Christmas last year, and it is much better than that piece of crap even though it doesn't have auto-return or the 78 speed. I don't even understand why they even bothered with the last bit because you need an entirely different kind of stylus and a heavier tracking force to play 78s. Not that anyone really listens to those nowadays, but still.
For the cheaper end of the market ease of operation is probably the most important factor , this thing just doesn't work properly and is going to disappoint . If they are all like this they will be getting a lot of these returned .
Congratulations, WalMart. You just made Crosley look decent in comparison.
Crosley is decent and always have been.
@@bradygiltz5160 I disagree
@@TheGreenDoggoOfWisdom yeah, they don’t destroy but they still don’t sound great by any means
It's a chuo denshi magnetic cartridge. The same manufacturer of the similar looking ceramic cartridge. I haven't seen a new turntable with one of them in a while. Numark had one included. They were commonly mounted in slimline headshells without the 2 screw mounting bracket in systems from Sharp and Philips in the early 90's. That cartridge completed with 2 screw standard half inch mounting bracket is the cheapest magnetic cartridge on eBay for around $16 including postage. I bought one to try it again to see if it sounds the same as I always remember them sounding, very bright and sibilant. Bass is there but a bit boomy. Not very tight, deep or smooth.
Edison is spinning in his grave at 33 1/3 rpm
Wuhahahahahah ok that was genius......
Looks like you saved us some money! I would steer clear of this turntable.
People who shop at Wal-Mart hopefully should know better than to trust Onn brand lol
You're very patient. Thank you for showing us to steer clear of this one. Or should I say track somewhere else!?!
So pros, it has auto return
Cons, everything else?
Yea until the plastic gear breaks hahaha
I do miss auto return from my lp60..upgraded to lp120 and can't just put a record on and fall asleep..lol
2019: Cheap POS junk!!!
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2049: Wow! Vintage HIFI gear!
Very true lol
If it lasts that long without something breaking. I've worked on a lot of 40 year old plastic turntables from the big brands of the day like Marantz, Pioneer etc. They have more than their fair share of problems from arms lifters not lowering properly or broken off, Platter bearings siezed up. A brand new turntable shouldn't have those problems. 50 year old BSR's were built like tanks considering the amount of plastic parts in them.
Sorry, but the build quality of this unit absolutely makes me cringe. There is plastic, and then there is plastic. Watching the tonearm bounce up and down opening and closing the lid was painful.
It was a low grade plastic unfortunately. I REALLY wanted this to be a winner - you will notice my excitement level waning throughout the duration of the video lol!
Even my Denon DP-7F have better plastics
I too got one for $19.99 at WalMart. I happen to like it. I only had a turntable with a ceramic cartridge (you know which ones). But I also don't have $$ to even spend on the Audio Technica AT LP60. It takes some setting up, but it sounds way better than my cheapy. I listen to mostly thrift shop records on a vintage Panasonic receiver. It's also nice because I can plop it on the kitchen table and my family can boogie with some Herb Alpert records. The music it plays sounds better than my CD's. I think for the $20 it's a good buy. When it was $79, I was going to get the AT LP60, but I couldn't get that much $$ together.
Mine must of been a good build, because mine didn't have the lowering problem that was shown in the video. Enjoy!
I would see using a force scale gauge just to see if it's even properly weighting it correctly. If that tonearm is not giving you proper reading
I am so glad that my 30+ years old direct drive Realistic LAB430 is fully functional!
I found a copy of the owner's manual, and it's no wonder you had trouble adjusting the counterweight, because it tells you to set it to 0.4, which it incorrectly claims is equal to 4 grams. And even if that was correct, 4 grams is too heavy for the MG-09D cartridge, anyway -- its recommended tracking force is 3.0 grams.
It was a very odd numbering system.....
I put up a good review a while ago and had to delete it because I discovered the fatal flaw in this turn table. I was having the same issue with the tone arm you had. The wire for the cartridge comes out of the back of the tone arm in such a way that is doesn't allow the tone arm to float which makes it impossible to set the counter weight. There is a sheath around the 4 cartridge wires that makes it rigid which causes it to pull the back of the tone arm down.
I discovered the reason for and solution to many of the problems that you had.
I just got one of these for $60 on the Walmart website to see if you just got a bad example. Mine seemed Okay until I lost a nut trying to change out then cartridge for an AT3600L. In looking for the nut, I removed the platter, JUST LIKE YOU DID. After that, I could not balance the tone arm or get it to drop fully on the record. I hope that sounds familiar.
I was getting ready to send it back, and then remembered that my automatic turntable from the late seventies would not left me drop the tonearm if the power had gone out while it was in the "end of record" mode. Of course, you weren't at the end of the record, but I bet you that you did not put the platter back in exactly the same position as it was in when you removed it (I didn't). So, the gearing on the platter was telling the auto-return that the tonearm should be up and in the process of moving back to the resting position.
In my case, I just rotated the platter by hand until the gears in the auto-return mechanism caught up with the tone arm actually at rest on its stand.
I also had to fix the belt position on the motor spindle since I placed it incorrectly the first time, resulting in Ray Eberle sounding like Alvin the Chipmunk.
After rotating the platter to reset the auto-return, I was able to balance the tonearm. I checked the result with a scale. You were certainly correct that the included instructions are lousy on this score.
It is true that I only got things to work because of my past experiences with cheap automatic turntables. I can understand newcomers or people who are used to better quality (such as.you) becoming frustrated, as I too was for a while. However, now the Onn turntable works great for me and I am even thinking of getting a second one.
If anyone out there has one of these, I hope these experiences helps them salvage some use from the turntable.
Compared to the Connected Essentials CET500 turntable which you can get for $59.99 on Amazon, this would not be a good buy even if it was fully working. I knew this one wasn't going to be good when most of the photos on Wal-Mart's site show it with an AT3600L cartridge (instead of the MG09 cartridge it actually comes with) with no stylus and no wires connecting it to the tonearm!
I did see those pictures as well.....no stylus.....odd.
Nothing says cool, hipster music fan like... Walmart.
Wal-Mart actually does have some cool limited edition coloured versions of some classic rock albums.
Damn I just bought one! Guess I'm a cool, hipster music fan! Guess I'll start slamming IPAs that I pretend to enjoy and throw away my razors.
Walmart is the only option for some people.
Hi, do you ever review cartridges like Ortofon?
Oh yes…many of them
I think ortofon is a genuine stylus brand
When I saw this turntable, I immediately had Nancy Reagan in my head saying Just Say No.
I paid $5.00 for my Philips 777 turntable made in Holland at a Goodwill and it worked fine and had a $300 ADC XLM cartridge mounted to it. $60 for a new stylus, $15 for a new belt. For about the same money got a much better table.
I love Philips turntables. I still have my 212. Not as popular as the Technics turntables but excellent quality and can be found at very affordable prices. Plus they can be repaired. I've also seen Dual and Gerrard turntables out in the wild for great prices. Just have to keep an eye out.
Best Buy is selling a Sharp RP-10 Turntable for $49.99. I can't find any information on it, or even any detailed pictures. Any chance you could review that one? Thanks!
Cool thanks for the tip!
It's newly made. Nice to see a commitment to vinyl.
I bought a cheap turntable in the UK, "Bush" brand, played a record on it and it sounded like it was playing under a tunnel. I now have a Technics SL- BD2. Looks late 80s, but my it sounds superb
So much money for it... Shame on you Walmart!
P.S. By the way thanks for review!
Great, informational video as always, love your channel! I never once would've thought Walmart would follow Target's lead with their own turntable. Target's seems to be miiiiles better though. Also, I have an old used Gemini turntable in my room with a tonearm that occasionally won't touch the surface of the record. In my case I've found that it's not a problem with the tracking, but with the lever; I put a little more force down on the lever and it stops the skipping. I don't come across issues at all when I manually place the tonearm on the record, however.
Thank you!
Thanks for the awesome review. You saved a lot of people $79.88! I'm definitely eyeing a purchase of an AT LP120 in the very near future.
Or used vintage Japanese turntable like I did with my $30 Denon DP-7F
What would you say about this being at 20$ as a first player?
For 20 - ok but it may take some patience.
after seeing this, going with target, thx for this vid.
It seems a very nice turntable for the price. Nice features for the average vinyl collector with a tight budget. It will not be like a USD35.000 turntable but I'm sure the sound will be very similar. Human ears have a limit that no money can buy increasing.
The features of this turntable (s-shaped tonearm, magnetic cartridge,dampening,etc) make this seem like a really good turntable for the money. But they sacrificed quality for features and as anyone knows good devices with no features is light years better that a feature rich crappy device.
My Heyday turntable has virtually the same features & some of the same design elements. Onn had the right idea, in terms of parts, but the execution is lacking. Target was much more careful in sweating the details. Walmart's user of a plastic platter is one cost-cutting feature too many.
Cheap junk.
Hey Record-ology question for you. I picked one these up to check it out as you did. I wanted to know if you figured out the counter weight on this unit. The incremental markings on the counter weight aren't what I usually see on a counter weight. If I'm reading it correctly, each fully rotation of the counter weight equals 1 gram of stylus pressure. I'm I correct in my thinking?
That's what I think too......I need to compare it to my tracking force scale to be sure though....kind of bizarre!
That's really strange when I've worked on and owned dozens of turntables and never came across that. It would be incredibly confusing for someone starting out. Let's face it most record players in major retail stores are marketed towards beginners or people less informed that just want to play records.
So I just encountered your channel, with a recommended video -- about the Best Buy player. Of course your mention of this one made me come watch it!
As of this moment, the price is 79.99 ... $20 price drop. The site doesn't list it as on-sale.
It’s not a tracking force issue, per se. Rather, the damping of the tone arm lifter is not allowing the lifter to smoothly fall and leave the necessary gap for the tone arm to freely operate so the stylus rests on the record.
Resistance and tracking force together .The quality of the turntable have much to be desired .To much plastic .
The Crosley C6 I have from Walmart had that same issue with the cue. There is a screw on it to lower the cue down.
I bought what is essentially the upgraded version of this Walmart ONN turntable in the ILIVE ITTB2022 which has a very similar design. The ILIVE version has tensioning screws which allows tightening or loosening to give the arm the correct drop level and allows it to return to the base. I hope this info helps someone who purchases one of these ONN units or the ILIVE version. Best!
This is why i keep a few 25 cent records around ...
For when i dial in tables after repairs n
good idea
That`s really interesting....Enjoyed the video....So many features for such a low price...Pity about the issues...but good that you are able to show the unit as it is....Good points and negatives....Cheers Ade
Its like cars have 4wheels Engine and body .But Quality left much to be desired
I image this to be an auto return gear
Interesting they chose to go with a Numark GrooveTool cartridge. It's a very bright trebly cartridge. It's got a lot of features, but it is such a ridiculously cheaply made turntable.
Ya gotta be joking! I have the Numark GrooveTool cart on the Numark TTUSB and it sounds killer.
I had no idea that wal mart own the Asda supermarket chain here in the UK.only found out recently.
Interesting!
It looks like this is still available. On the Walmart Website the Cartridge, looks a little different, possibly a basic Audio Technica mag unit. Just curious if anyone has purchased one recently, and whether the earlier issues have been addressed. From, your previous experience, I would remark that the Heyday from Target, represents a better bet.
Did you ever do the Target vs. Walmart TT comparison?
If you haven’t, this might be a good time to do it, while everything is still in relative lockdown because of the Coronavirus.
Keep up the good work-I always enjoy rewatching your videos!!!
Thank you - I have thought about that....it would be interesting!
Just wanted to give an update. I replaced the original cartridge with a Chinese made Audio Technica AT3600. It sounds great!! Using a digital scale was able to set up just right. Use a protractor to adjust the angles, and wonders will flow from your receiver! My family is listening to it right now. We were listen to Karajan's Beethoven, and now we have a Taste of Honey. A really good turntable for those who can't afford an expensive one. Too bad it's to late to get anymore, for $20 it was a good investment. With the Audio Technica it sounds like vinyl should. (it's like putting a 350 small block into a Ford Pinto!) Better than CD's!!
There is Japanese like audio technical stylus before it was outsourced
I just wanted to add some observations as I picked one of these up since they are now on clearance - just to see how bad it was going to be (it's an attractive unit!, just not well made). First, the cartridge supplied with mine (same as model in this review) was pushed back in the headshell all the way, and that is where they fixed it during assembly (same as this one from what I can see in the video). Problem is, that location does not conform to any known alignment I had protractors for, Baerwald, Loefgren, Stevenson & the one used on Technics SL-1200's. Second the needle (defective from manufacture) was cocked about 2-5 degrees sideways, not perpendicular to the platter (I replaced the cartridge with a Stanton 750 purchased from a liquidation supplier for 15 bucks, given the sloppy tone arm suspension on this unit, a spherical stylus is all you should likely use to avoid record damage). One will need a strobe scope to adjust the speed right, and a stylus pressure gauge to set the counter weight properly... and attempt a cartridge alignment with a protractor (assuming the supplied cartridge is not defective like mine). The cartridge mounting hardware are tiny thin screws and are very flimsy. Any anti-skate setting beyond 0 resulted in much too much anti-skate force (but 0 works fine). After about 2 hours of screwing around with it out of the box, I do have it playing properly. Better than a suitcase player, but not by much.
Oh wow they don't even align the cartridge correctly. Those particular cartridges are a bit tricky to align with non parallel sides. They should make some effort. I guess they figure it's a consumer product just get it out of the factory as quick as possible and sold to make profit.
It's a copy of PHILIPS 15GA 242 ,and Telefunken 1980 year model
But they didn't copy the Quality
The for a gear mechanism under the platter is for auto return and/or auto cueing. There's no need for any mechanism under the platter otherwise. No 'start' or 'stop' controls evident, so it's strictly auto-return/auto shutoff.
The dislikes are from WalMart employees
It’s Walmart employees problem now. But not mine.
I’ve been waiting for a review on this. Thank you. Onn products are 50 50 lol. Now I’m looking at the new lp60x.
Yes check out my review on the lp60 and the lp60x
I have a comment and a question. I ordered the Ilive turntable from Walmart and it seems to be exactly the same as this. My question is, is the cartridge upgradable to an ortofon red or blue?
Interesting…. Can’t say for certain but it looks possible. I wonder though if the ortofons would be too tall and throw the VTF off?
@@Recordology thank you for the reply. I will have to dig deeper
The auto return contraption you’re pointing at is called the cam gear.
The heydey cant be beat for the price.
For all you beginners out there.
Shame that the headshell can't be switched out so one could pop on a different cart and 3mil stylus for 78s.
There are 3rd party 3 mil styli available for this cartridge.
@@phonatic that's good. But most people who have 78s, and know what the proper stylus to use is, will not want to have to switch out styli when there are better and far easier ways to accomplish the same task.
You know - if they improved the design a little bit, fixed the stability and counterweight issues - this would honestly be a pretty decent turntable. maybe a good competitor to the ATLP60.
agreed....
The lifter has a gummy solution in between the tiny Piston may be dried or more dense
Good point.....
Great sales pitch for the one at Target. :D
So true. The comparison of the two turntables sums up the difference between Walmart & Target. The definition of a platter means two different things to the two big box retailers. Target refuses to skimp & Walmart undercuts them on price (and reputation) with warped plastic.
I'm glad I kept my vintage Gemini XL 200 when I purchased the ATLP120USB three years ago!
A little disappointed with the performance. Love your reviews ☺️
Thank you!
At least it is said to have a magnetic cartridge. There, I said something nice about it. 😜
Looked ceramic to me
@@michaelstephenson6390 Don't let the red stylus carrier fool you. That appears to be a Sanyo-Fisher MG-09 cartridge, which is in fact a magnetic, and it's spec'd to track at 2-3 grams. It's an inexpensive cartridge, to be sure, and for that reason some OEMs favor it. Little wonder it was chosen for this turntable, but fortunately it looks like you could swap it out if you like. Not that I'd be inclined to put anything particularly high-end on a unit like this. An inexpensive AT3600 or clone might be a viable 'upgrade' path.
I certainly wouldn't invest more than that personally on upgrades to a sub-$100 'table.
But then, I wouldn't wast $80 on this in the first place.
I have a old JC Penney turntable that still works. It won't auto return anymore but it's ok.
a little cleaning and relube will probably fix that right up.
JC Penney & Sears always used good suppliers for their name brand goods. Walmart bought Onn Electronics & ruined the company with heavy-handed cost cutting measures.
If I bought this record player I would use it for Target practicing
I got the Target reference :)
We’re can I find a brocheli record my mom loves his voice and music
onn? more like off. This might even be worse than a Crosley.
"Might"? :)
Ranting on Walmart brand eh?
You might have already figured it out but the counterweight is measured in tenths of a gram not grams. You were only adding 0.2 and 0.4 grams and that GrooveTool cartridge needs a lot more than that to track.
P.S. you have to spin it one revolution per gram desired. For example, 3.5 Grams would be balance at zero, spin it 3 complete revolutions, then to 0.5 after.
Had me mystified lol!
It's a chuo denshi magnetic cartridge. The same manufacturer of the similar looking ceramic cartridge. I haven't seen a new turntable with one of them in a while. Numark had one included. They were commonly mounted in slimline headshells without the 2 screw mounting bracket in systems from Sharp and Philips in the early 90's. That cartridge completed with 2 screw standard half inch mounting bracket is the cheapest magnetic cartridge on eBay for around $16 including postage. I bought one to try it again to see if it sounds the same as I always remember them sounding, very bright and sibilant. Bass is there but a bit boomy. Not very tight, deep or smooth.
I'll keep my Garrard AT-60
In 50 years when it's still working people will be able to see and hear how they put a real record player together .
Good idea!
I tried the ONN CD boombox and thought it sounded great but I already have a great Sony one so gave it to my niece and she still uses it daily I was shocked how great it sounded I want to try the ONN Bluetooth speakers next.
Reminds me of that 1byone turntable that I used to have. It has most all of what you see here (except Bluetooth), but it also had a strobe, line in, and the ability to record/playback MP3s from a USB stick. Would've been nice for ~$85-$99 but it skipped like crazy on 45s!
I bought it on black friday and just bought an audio technica cartridge for it, if only i had enough for a half decent new tone arm it wouldnt COMPLETELY suck
Bentonville AR, home town literally all we have here is Walmart 😭
The Onn 3-Speed Turntable: "It's not ideal."
lol
Playing vinyl records seems to be booming and popular again to have Walmart get into the turntable biz.
I do think its positive for all of us that vinyl records and record players are popping up at common neighborhood stores.
With all due respect, adjusting weight and other issues is a very delicate and precise operation on ANY turntable. There are several videos that show this operation. I don't think it is a fault of the turntable.
Of the dozens I have setup - this and the Marley are definitely hampered by design issues in the tone arm mechanics.
The cartridge should track at 3.5grams
Who makes that cart? Any ideas?
@@Recordology No idea who makes it, I found one like it on Ali express for 5.73$ Seems like a suitible cartridge for this turntable, I would not upgrade it, rather spend the extra dollars on a better turntable.
It suppose be 1.5grams .Based on the equovoloqual systematic conversion .Since the weight can destroy the integrity of the record .
@Record-ology
What is the number ID on it?
It looks like a copy of a Shure MM cartridge.
The cue damper rest is not retracting properly. It's sad that newcomers to vinyl records would get their first impression from this turntable. Wal Mart needs to pull this off the market it's a disgrace.
Thanks for showing things that we've to avoid! What a piece of garbage!
My son’s Fisher Price turntable from the late 80’s that plays 33’s and 45’s has a better build quality that that piece of garbage, and now my Grandson uses it.
Can't find them
That is disappointing - had my hopes up for this one. Still on the hunt for my perfect budget unit. Metal platter, removable headshell, S arm, with at least auto stop if not auto return. Can find three out of four easily, but not the whole package.
Jeremy Hobbs in my opinion bro, the best budget turntable is going to be a used vintage turntable. Although, the new audiotechnica LP-60 or the newer LP-60x is pretty decent for about $80 to $100. If it’s your first turntable, I’d really recommend saving up a little more ( if possible, of course, get whatever you can afford and enjoy ) and getting the LP-120x with the fixed anti skate problems it’s actually a pretty good turntable for about $250, which I would still consider to be a budget deck for the relative quality you get with it and you won’t “grow out” of it as fast once you get more into the hobby
For $80 my expectations were zero. I'll say that it is better than I expected, but that still isn't a ringing endorsement. Still eyin the Heyday.
Isn't it a bit late of wallmart to get on the vinyl bandwagon now?
Btw, if the tonearm lift has a screw in it, turn it clockwise; it'll lower the down position.
Ahh thanks for the tip!
@@Recordology You're welcome.
Its very cool,
I believe the cartridge to be the infamous Groove Tool which has a recommended tracking force of 3 grams. Great unboxing, the music you put sounded like a chicha or some cumbia. Great review
Thank you!
I was going to say it looks like a Sanyo cartridge. By all accounts, an older design of cartridge (late 1970s or early 1980s, I believe) but fairly decent and inexpensive. The last time I had one, I was unable to locate a 78 stylus for it, but that was 10+ years ago, so that may have changed.
It's a chuo denshi cartridge. It does go under the Sanyo brand sometimes. Probably because it was also fitted to Sanyo turntables. The Audio Technica AT-3600 goes under at least a couple brands. Optimus and Sony plus probably others.
It did go under Numark groove tool complete with the sticker. It says to track at 2.5 grams unless 3 grams improves the sibilance.
I purchased the iLive turntable that looks exactly like this one and it appears to be user error, the weight needs to be screwed all the way and then the adjustment can me made, if that isn’t done, there is too much weight on the back and the needle will not go down all the way, just like the mistake in the video.
I saw these for 19.99 on clearance at Walmart today i still didnt buy it lol
Smart move!
i like watching turntable reviews just to see how different models perform. the performance of this turntable and its cheap build quality made me laugh. saw your review of the target heyday turntable and that one looks better. even the crosley portable suitcase turntable works better than this wal-mart one.
this reminds of the crosley advance the only on it was the sound the tracking was bad it would get stuck in a scratch instead of skipping over it the motor was shot it was going too fast so i took it apart and slowed it down to the correct speed and played ok for a while then it started to speed up again the pitch control didn't any good because after a while it started doing the opposite going too slow and the tenion spring on the auto return was too tight it wouldn't finish the 45s they were playing so i had to loosen the spring so they would finish playing the good about it in my opinion was the sound i had a numark that i had to turn the volume up to 7 to get at least to hear it well the output on crosley advance was louder so i just got fed up with those cheap turntables and save up and got the AT LP 120 and i had no problems
Thank you for your review. Definitely a thumbs down on this one. It should probably get returned on so many levels. Thank you for posting. They may get better as time goes on.
I agree with you on this junk turntable.
Not good I'm glad you covered it though it should stop some folks impulse buying this thing as a gift coming up to xmas.
the stylus looks like a pfanstiehl mg-09
Guess I won't be trading in my Technics SL-1200 MK II for this.
Three speeds; 33 1/3, 45, and reverse right back to Walmart for a refund.
😆 🤣!! Yep that is where I'd be returning it too!
So basically Walmart tried to put so many features in the turntable that they had to compromise on practically everything, even the cartridge, which is not the typical AT3600L, but a Numark Groove Tool (MG-09D MM cart, brought to you by Chuo Denshi- might even be a clone)
After watching this video, as well as the Target turntable review, I think the Target turntable is a better buy hands down. This seems too cheap and looks like it is riddled with problems. I was hopeful at first because at a glance it looks cool, but I think for around that price there are way better options out there. Great Video though!
Thank you for watching!
What would you expect from Wally World!
The Crosley C200 is SUPERIOR to that joke. It's not even heavy enough to be a paperweight.
The ion blutooth turntables are higher quality than this and crosley turntables
Awesome
The debut of the Wally*World Special?
I just saw a similar, if not identical model at FYE being sold as an iLive for $99.
I ate peanut butter sandwiches from a plastic platter when I was a kid lol.
'_' holy crab
Why can't people understand that onn is an in-house brand of Walmart onn is only sold at Walmart
James Veach We do understand...tf.
First, you have to establish a "ZERO" balance for the tonearm just like on every other one, where the arm just floats level. Then turn the counterweight, starting at zero, to desired weight.
A small digital scale costs only about $20. Tracking weight is important. The cart looks like an Audio-Technica AT 95 variant, They track at 2 grams and are plenty good for this table.
If you put the circlip back on the spindle it should push the platter down and seat it so the platter rides level. Having an adjustable counterweight is a benefit, some other ones in this class just use a coil spring with no real adjustment. What is the noise level when playing a silent groove? That will be your background noise level from the turntable.
Bro I can’t hear mine
Make sure that the speakers are connected correctly and that the switch on the back is set to line.
Ive honestly found it works better without the counter balance lol
Really?
It looks like even the turntable is not spinning flat. The turntable itself is warped.