When An NHL Star Gets His Coach FIRED
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In today's video, we discuss the rampant uptick in NHL coaches being fired. We do a deep dive into the transformation of the Detroit Redwings.
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If Kane got Lalonde fired then God bless him.
Exactly my thoughts
My question is if Kane didn't like LaLonde, then why resign in Detroit this past off-season. He could have gone anywhere but he chose to stay in Detroit. I don't believe it was Kane, I think LaLonde had everyone overthinking everything and it was a disaster.
Kane is a good boy
@@joechriste7052 Because Dabrincat is his best friend. Their families are always together at the games.
LaLonde? You mean Uncle Fester!
The last time Todd was behind the Wings bench, they won the Stanley Cup
Has Lalonde won a cup as an assistant coach?
@@mvwoon I liked Todd’s work with San Jose. Lewis won back to back cups as an assistant also, but just couldn’t get it done after Bowman left.
Goldeneye pause menu song, LOVE IT
I never get tired of hearing it slipped in to his videos
If Kane got Lalonde fired, that would indicate he is locker room leader for sure.
Facts are Todd Mclellan IS the one with the actual successful coaching pedigree and the respect of his players as well.
Babcocks Head coach career started in Anaheim replacing Bryan Murray and being on an already good team that lost in the finals the year he got there.
The NEXT season under HIS control, they missed the playoffs.
Then, insanely, Detroit picked him up since they weren't doing much better and in 3 years went from barely playoff bound to winners.
Key note Todd Mclellan was beside him for ALL of this.
Then they won the cup and look what happened the very next year and subsequent years afterwards.
Todd got a better job offer from san Jose and left and Babcock's coaching skills REALLY surfaced.
Lalonde's pedigree is being an assistant on a decent team that won a cup with a shortened schedule because of the pandemic.
All this is on that hockey DB or whatever.
@ McLellan is not Scotty Bowman or anything resume-wise but he is obviously a much more accomplished and veteran head coach than Lalonde. Getting hired 4 different times is itself an accomplishment and tells you something. The NHL is full of coaching retreads but if you really bring nothing as a coach, you don't get 4 bites at the apple.
@@randombutrelevant No. I cited the source. Go research for yourself or remain ignorant.
@ No one really gets to the levels of Bowman when it comes to coaching so have to stop your bar raising there.
Mclellan has the more efficient resume supporting him , the more competent one, one with successes in more than one team.
The players might have forgotten McLellans ability, but i guarantee management did not.
That alone says wonders about HIS coaching prowess alone.
I wouldn't say leads the locker room, but one powerful force
The whole month of December I could just see in Larks and Kaners demeanors that this was just a mess, and that the players (specifically them two) were just over him. I really feel like they finally sat down with Steve and told him he needs to do something about this lol. Amazing seeing the difference in how this team has played since Todd came in. Kind of is a testament to how done the players were with the previous regime. No one in the organization will ever admit that publicly, though lol.
Yzerman and Larkin are too closely allied. I think Lalonde was not allowed to criticize Larkin's limitations bc he's Yzerman's boy he's building around. I think McLellan gets Larkin's respect. In short I'm speculating Larkin decided he didn't like Lalonde's style and he was a negative force on the team. While his stats were ok you could see major mistakes in his plays. Could Larkin have acted like a spoiled brat?
I don't think it had anything to do with Larkin acting like a spoiled brat, it was identifying the problem and fixing the issue!.. Larkin isn't getting any younger and seen there was still a chance to save the season and get a playoff berth..in short, Lalonde had them playing a brand of hockey that the roster wasn't built for & exposed their weaknesses.. imo, just to try to get their goals against average down from last year.. I think Lalonde would have been happy if they were losing every game 1-0 or 2-1 he would've been very satisfied!!
I knew that Todd Mclallan was available and had a good track record coaching.. just not that successful in the playoffs but it isn't always the coach's fault.. he's a smart, knowledgeable guy with good hockey sense and I think he's going to change his shortcomings!! I'm very happy Stevie hired him instead of the others who were available..
I LOVE that the hawks fans cheered for Kane when he scored against them and then respectfully saluted the fans. That’s just beautiful. Hockey is the best.
Michigan kid and always a Wings & Hawks fan, I don't think that moment gets talked about enough honestly. It was storybook.
its crazy how every time this guy digs through the numbers, he discovers something shocking
Lmaooo i was thinking the same
I was shocked too that today's video was brought to us by Hello Fresh. How does he do it
@@jonathanlong4066hello fresh absolutely slaps too
Super clever video, and something I've always been passively interested in! You've got a new sub, Rob
I feel like a lot of NHL coaches aren’t that great and keep getting recycled.
I feel like they’re starting to go in the way of the NFL, where popular successful coordinators are getting HC jobs, and you see them recycled around a lot cause it turns out these guys are decent coaches, but cannot run a team.
Another great vid Rob. Love the game tape break downs the most. Never played organized hockey and it really helps in understanding the game.
Torts as the Flyers coach makes me happy. Alot of folks around here hate it because he has them winning an extra 5-10 games. Flyers fans want the tank. However Torts embodies Flyers Hockey from when I grew up. Tough as nails and no one likes playing.
So hopefully when the Flyers get a new coach Torts STAYS with the organization. He really is Flyers Hockey.
his pride, dedication and obviously resume speaks for themselves
Agree. I have a friend whos a Flyers fan and when they signed Torts, i told her that "That's a match made in heaven"
Torts is the guy you love to hate. I don't like his aditdude but respect his heart and dedication
@@edizzle01 his attitude is quite entertaining though but yah people just love to hate cause they are soft with no balls
Finally one more that saw the obvious. Kane even criticized Lalonde's strategies in a looker room interview in november 2024. He and a few other veterans definitely stopped playing for Lalonde.
Kane criticized him multiple times within about a week. Look up 'Patrick Kane Andrew Copp postgame interview' for those 2 together on the dais postgame trashing the coaching. I've watched Pat's whole career, I can't remember him criticizing a coach before. And he's had horrible coaches before.
@ no. you don't screw over a legend and mess w his career and not give him what he earns. Kane last year earned at minimum DeBrincat as his linemate this year. and honestly he probably earned Larkin and DeBrincat both. their top line together last year was dominant, by far the team's best. and Kane last year scored exactly 1 goal of his 20 without either Larkin or Cat on the ice. yet he showed up for work this year and on day 1 of camp was told he was playing w JT Compher and Vlad Tarasenko. that is bull. and it continued even as the Ray Larkin Cat line was awful, outscored 13-8 and generally stinking up the joint, besides costing you the 2nd line bc Kane can't play w those guys. but Lalonde out of nepotism for Raymond kept using it.
Kane did not start playing/producing again when Lalonde was fired. he started playing/producing again 5 games BEFORE Lalonde was fired - when he got put w DeBrincat and Copp. he had 2/2/4 in Lalonde's last 5 games, all of it at 5v5. the final team collapse that led to him finally being done happened bc in his 2nd to last game, vs Montreal, he randomly did a shift where he took Cat away from Kane again and put him back w Larkin and Ray. the team immediately quit playing. the whole team. they had had enough. EVERYONE was tired of the lineup nonsense and the favoring of Ray and mistreatment of Kane w the lineups. everyone.
@randombutrelevant and if a coaching change is best for the players, fans, and team?
If you watched the games throughout December, and leading up to the final disaster shutout the day before Christmas Eve, you could see that Kaner and Larkin were so over this dude. Like they were just waiting for Steve to pull the plug at that point, and he did two days later lol.
Kane and Copp definitely when right up to the line with the Media without explicitly saying "we hate how the Coach wants us to play and he needs to go" I wouldn't be surprised if Kane said its him or me. If Kane demanded a trade that would kill free agents thinking about going to Detroit or dudes making Detroit a trade destination.
Waited too long to fire him. I’m glad for the first time since 2015, we got someone who knows hockey and players who will play for him
Yeah I hate that he wasn’t fired earlier. Steve did say though that they were about to after Thanksgiving, but we won a couple games so he decided to give it one more shot. Mistake in the end, but hey we’re still winning games currently so let’s hope they keep rolling lol.
@ only two points out now!
Yes, Yzerman made us sit far too long with terrible coaching. He waited and waited and waited. I think Yzerman's status as a Detroit icon is a bit detrimental to his willingness to stick his neck out there as a GM. How much more time will Veleno get? That player is maxed up at both skill and wage.
@ I mean shit, man. He’s a patient guy. He fired Lalonde and we’re 13-4-1 since. What more do you want? Just enjoy the fact we’re playing good again, and all the young guys have a part in that.
@ My beef is all the time spent with Blashill, who every fan knew didn't know how to lead a team. Then, all the time spent with Lalonde who every fan knew wasn't much improvement over Blashill. Yes they are playing better hockey. Could they have been playing better hockey 2 years ago? Maybe so. I'm just saying Yzerman really appears to be a timid GM. Maybe that's a totally awesome trait for someone in his position. My view is that his status as a Detroit hero makes him timid to make change.
Ironically, Buffalo is the hardest place to get fired.
And the hardest place to stay fired from, apparently.
The Sabres are settling into a prolonged slump and have no willingness to change. The team is not going anywhere until ownership cares whether they are playing well or not. They make enough money and literally don’t have to improve their product.
Because it’s not coaching that’s the issue, it’s the management and owners.
@@danimal6777See Lindy Ruff?😂
NHL teams fire coaches because its a hard cap and everyone has some sort of trade protection. It's all a GM can do at a certain point.
NFL can restructure deals, trade players, cut guys, etc
NBA is really just 5-10 teams that can win a championship and everyone else sucks.
MLB is a lot like the NBA. Only some teams have a chance. No reason to fire your coach if you have no good players.
NHL is as cloae to parity as it gets. 20 teams can make a run/yr. They all see themselves as having a chance.
I'm a Wings fan, I watch every game. I had no idea why Lalonde thought they should be playing the trap with guys like Kane, Larkin, Raymond, and DeBrincat. Go out and make plays, be agressive, and score goals.
Usually when a a coach gets fired, the players are sad that their poor play made their coach lose their job. The red wings players however, genuinely did not care that he got fired.
Been a RTH fan for a whike now and he just keeps getting better!! Definitely one of my fave hockey channels!! Just waiting for a NHL GM to hire this guy as their vidoe coach!! Rob definitely has an eye for hockey and its pretty amazing at analyzing!! Keep up the great content while you're still a content creator!! And someone give Rutherford Rob's number!!! We could use his eye in the vidoe room!!
9:40 one of my favorite calls in recent history 📣
Love, just love this video! Well put!
Don't forget to account for the fact that it's the same 6 coaches being recycled. :)
With team parity because of the salary cap and the salary cap making it hard to move players. The main change you can make is with the coach. Especially with all of the no movement clauses players get to reduce their cap hit. It becomes a nightmare to move someone who is underperforming. You always have to make a deal with an team in a rebuild that knows their cap space is valuable to you. Many teams will trade a player away for basically nothing or have to send a high draft pick or prospect.
Rob, another great video topic. Keep the bangers coming!
I think some teams just fit into a certain coach’s style more than others. Comes down to finding that match, IMO.
Nice work. Thank you.
Great analysis of the Red Wings play. Can you do the same for the current Canucks games? I feel like the same thing is happening with Tocchet's system
NHL has 32 coaches and they all get fired and rehired by other orgs for decades. Jim Montgomery was fired and like 2 weeks later in season he’s coaching again for the Preds lol
When you dug into the numbers, you discovered that today’s video is brought to us by hello fresh? Damn that’s crazy son
Holland left the team in a bad way..... Yzerman fixed it and his eventual cup winning team is about half in Detroit,about half in Grand Rapids and a few pieces in other places both NHL and in minors/juniors.
Fantastic analysis Rob.
Detroit definitely has the talent they just need the guidance.
Montreal has had St. Louis guiding them, they just need to grow up their young guns.
That's the difference and you proved it.
St. Louis rangers legend Ts
It can sometimes be like a jigsaw puzzle where you need to find the pieces and figure out where they fit. Fire a coach for being the wrong fit and find a new one that hopefully is.
Wasn't just one player it was the whole damn team.
this. Kane was leading the band bc he was the one being worst impacted by Lalonde's nonsense this year (system and lineups). but he was far from alone. again, the Larkin DeBrincat Raymond line this year is losing 13-8. that is 3 guys obviously not trying all that hard at 5v5, if they're getting that result despite that much talent on the line.
Tort always seems to be the "in between" coach. He comes in, gets a team out of the bottom, then moves on.
Watching this after the west roadtrip sweep is even better
Watched last night's game against Tampa. You're absolutely right. Better pressure on the puck, no drifting out of position, smarter and faster play by the Wings. TMC may have been here only 15 games, yet you see the difference in execution.
and their power play - which was already good - has picked up, moving a lot more, snappier passing, Kane shooting a lot more on the power play, Seider a lot more willing to pass to Kane's side (he would only pass to Raymond's side under Lalonde; this along w the lack of movement made them a predictable power play that was carried almost entirely by Larkin's finishing).
I have to tell you, but that was simply excellent work and a creative formula to arrive at the conclusion. It sounds like something I would do for the helL of it out of curiosity!!
Rob, where’s that Lane Hutson and Demisov video you teased last video 😭
If Showtime was why Newsy got removed, I’ll forever thank Showtime. We don’t miss you, Newsy.
Great video and cool analysis. I would have loved to see more analysis breaking down teams that had significant coaching change improvements! I would especially love to see a breakdown of the best power play coaches… I have no idea what structures makes a power play successful and would really like to learn!
I've never played hockey on any level, so I have no idea here. At the NHL level, shouldn't the coach be able to say, "Play the trap defense," and the players should know what that means and what they need to do? Even the rookies fresh off a draft have been playing their whole lives and will have played a trap defense for another coach. They should know, shouldn't they?
Actually trap is very uncommon at lower levels. They should know how to do it but alot of teams don’t utilize it. Some college teams do. But it was pioneered in the NHL and it really only ever comes to play in the league. I played some junior hockey and we ran it one season and no one was able to because they’d never seen it before other than on tv. But yes in theory you should know how to play it by the time you’re in the NHL lol
I think the problem is everything is so split second at this level... It's always one thing to break down this film after the fact... But try doing this against other NHL players, at split second levels... It's a whole other thing entirely from even the AHL...
One way I can explain it, is as a Jets fan, We have defensemen we try to bring into the lineup, And for example it was Heinola, in his first game was against Minnesota after coming up from the AHL...
They're a tough team, But they aren't necessarily the most feared in the league by any means... And one of our commentators was saying at one point that "it's a little unfair for him to have to face their best player (kaprizov) In his very first game...
But that's the entire thing... You can shelter guys at the AHL level... At the NHL level they WILL be exposed if they aren't ready. Other teams will specifically send their best players out to attack the most inexperienced... It's about being able to adjust on the fly in a lot of ways... Because other teams will KNOW how to attack a trap defense at an NHL level... At least the top 20/25 teams or so...
In a lot of ways, for however well you think you just coached your team, You will now have to watch and see if the other coach across from you got his guys more prepared to play then yours, And if his strategies/systems are better... If his assistant set up a better game plan, etc etc... some teams can adjust for one game, or against a certain style of defense better than others, other teams can have strengths and weaknesses that are different than other teams, So it could just be luck of the draw that you're going to have to verse some teams that have styles that are just set up to defeat you, while you're set up to beat other teams...
Other coaches are going to try their best to undo everything you just taught, and make you look like a fool...
@@hckykd39 It's such a drain on the development of a young kid's growth when you think of it. Having all these maturing talents being used as chess pieces instead of letting them hone their skating and IQ skills.
Bobby Orr is adamantly against this type of system for young kids. Yes, even Junior-age kids from being programmed to play such a horribly boring type of hockey.
@ it’s boring but it works haha
Why do you think the NHL leads North American sports in terms of coach firings?
My personal two cents is that because the salary cap is so strict, a team relies much more on chemistry and structure than any other big league sport, you can’t just overload a team with superstars in the NHL like you can the NBA or MLB so coaching strategy can literally make or break a team
And to further add to my point this is also why the playoffs are such a wildcard in the NHL, all the teams are so evenly stacked that pretty much any team that makes the playoffs has a legitimate shot to win the cup
Ratings and the fact that for as many teams and newish markets there are in the league, it's still a niche sport. If your team isn't in it, interest isn't there
hard cap and guaranteed contracts limit roster shuffling. harder to change players = easier to change coaches.
Nhl teams play goldeneye and fire the coaches when their k/d ratio is less then 5 lol
They do look like an entirely different team. At the time of this comment, the Wings had a 7 game winning streak and are on a 4 game winning streak. All this with TM behind the bench!
If Lalonde had played Kane w DeBrincat and either Copp or Larkin every game this year, he would still have a job. He made his choice.
People think the trap is easy and takes no skill until they actually have to try and play the trap system. Then you find out pretty quick it’s tricky to teach forwards how to basically be defensemen lol
Stirring soup with a flipper? 😄
If Kane got Lalonde fired he should get a bonus in his contract.
God bless Kane for firing lalonde, he was absolute garbage
The NHL and NBA also have 82 games each, so I think that's the only real, fair statistical comparison.
Compared to a league like the NFL and it's regular season schedule, both have literally 5x more sample size for a coach to be judged, and given 2nd chances.
Although when compared to MLB, which has pretty much twice as many regular season games as the NHL and NBA, the NHL doesn't look too bad.
I think it's blatantly evident when comparing only those 2 leagues with one another that the NHL can be assuredly diagnosed with a coaching tenure problem.
I think the NFL is about to spiral downward given the Chiefs which means more fans turning to the NHL and other sports. I’ve been a hockey fan my whole life but even more so now that I’m quitting watching the NFL 🤷♂️
Same here brother. Always been my favorite sport to watch. Now it’s the only sport I watch.
Kane is a floater and a power play specialist kind of. He has no way of getting someone fired. Half ass back checking and guys leaving the zone on break outs got Lalonde fired. Now if you don't skate both ways you don't play and I could see Kane coming up with a lower body injury and being done for the year.
What I truly believe it is, is that these millionaires don't try as hard anymore because they know what to expect from their current coach and are complacent. Once a new coach comes in, suddenly a fire is lit because they need to impress the new coach for playing time so they play harder. I believe that is the predominant reaaon.
This is a great point and exactly why growing up, my teams had trouble with the systems. Yea okay we can grasped the numbers like 1-2-2 or 2-1-2 but where tf do we go when things start to develop. Like yea I guess just back check? But like you shouldnt be backchecking in the first place if you did it right so like initial positioning is great but if you’re not gonna teach position after the first move your done that’s it
I think the issue is more with GMs a lot of these teams who go through coaches quick have massive issues with there GM as well I think it’s GM’s hiring coaches with out thinking if they will mesh with the team or if the players can buy into there system
SY didn't do Lalonde any favors in the off-season, but clearly Lalonde lost the room and needed to go. McLellan has done great so far. He's elevating rookies and they are responding. Most players are playing like they give a f#@$, which is nice.
The NHL has always ran through head coaches and ya don’t need a bar graph for that.
It's called reversion to the mean. By definition, teams are statistically underperforming and thus the coach got fired. Just randomly, most of these teams would have played better even if they kept their coach.
Rob for next Blackhawks head coach
Ok Rob I'm listening.....
When you play for one of the best coaches ( what he did was wrong ) of all time (Q) you know when a coach is clueless!
Yeah, coaches get fired quickly.
Then they get re-hired.
I think the NHL never actually loses a coach.
This isn't even close to an all time low. I remember chico resch was involved. It may have been the Flyers and NYI before a playoff game got into a brawl as warmups ended a players came runn ing out in their underwear to fight.
Lalonde had a HUGE problem adjusting the strategy during a game. Scotty bowman changed it ALL the time. Even babcock always said, play our game. No change. Which, if your players are capable, that works. But most cant mentally overcome that.
watching this after taking the Oilers to a shootout (their first all season) and beating them on home ice
Great video. You see so much and relay it very well. Subscribed!
Jack Eichel, the GM of the Sabres
To start off the Wings grossly overachieved last season setting up unrealistic expectations for fans which didnt help as they are still a fringe playoff team regardless of the coach. Sadly for the Red Wings the firing was likely made too late and likely results in them missing the playoffs by 4-8pts. The problem with Lalonde and the Red Wings was pretty obvious Lalonde is clearly a greta coach he just had the complete wrong players for how he likes to coach. Looking at that dcore you cant play a defensive favoured style you have to go all out on offense and hope you can outscore your opponent which is often not a sustainable or successful way to play but thats how the Wings have been built so far. Really sucks for Lalonde cause I think he would be a great coach for many teams Detroit mightve been the worst fit for his style.
Todd was watching Wings playing and screaming at the tv. WTF is LaLonde doing.
From the thumbnail, I was expecting a video on why Rantanen ended up in Carolina, ngl. I still watched the whole thing don't get me wrong. 😅
The results show why Lalonde needed to go. Same team and they are winning a lot more. Lalonde was not head catch material. You don't keep repeating that you are not supposed to make the playoffs when you are in a playoff race.
This season feels so chaotic, that I think the Leafs will finally win the cup. And I'm going to hate it.
Its been frustrating to have players leave the redwings over the last 10 yrs and see those players play to their full potential on other teams. Todd has finally letting the players play hockey. Thats the same thing torts tell his players.
Here after the title changed
I knew I wasn’t crazy
1:07 to be fair I don’t think a coach can cause this to happen😭
If a coach hasnt won in the first 3 years.... historically they never will. Only 1 coach ever has.
i think most of the time when a gm fires a coach its just a pr stunt. in the red wings case lalonde was just not a good head coach. his systems didnt match his players strengths ad to that he couldn't get the team to buy into it so it was a double whammy of suck
...then the old Monk turns to the younger Monk and says:''Are you still watching that pissing contest hockey bullshit...''
History of best on best international tournaments?
Changing a coach is like pulling the goalie, it makes teams play better, mostly.
I hope
Another Rob Talks Hockey Banger
luckily for the coaches and their families, they just get rehired within a few days
As always I tell people to just imagine the Sabres are the only pro team you care about...... Those back to back WJ are like my Stanley Cup
How I miss the days of Scotty
anyone remember the Joe Veleno hype?
Rob our franchise is a dumpster fire
Please do a break down on the ducks!!
that detroit free press headline you used was from 2019💀 the wings haven’t even been number 32 in the league this year. stop using misleading images
I don't think Lalondes a bad coach structurally. He's just a bad head coach vocally. Last year, this team was a threat until Larkin got hurt and instead of a coach backing his players, he said the refs probably got it right. I believe in that moment, he lost the room. Lalondes too much of a kiss ass and buddy buddy instead of telling it like it is.
he had Kane playing wo DeBrincat most of this season. and w JT Compher - the worst center option for him on the roster by a huge margin - as his center. doing that will lose you the room and a lot of games.
Those poor coaches.
😊great job
this is great. I'm a penguins fans but i'm new to hockey. Love these videos but make one about the penguins. They are loosing and since i'm new i have no idea why. Looks like the defense and goalie needs a change but since Jar Jar is gone, we will see with Joel.
Lol well the pens don't have good depth and the star players are just not as good as they use to be. They're much older and have a much harder time keeping up. As good as Crosby, Malkin and Letang have been, they're nowhere near their former selves and the players around them are taking on roles they don't have the talent for. It's really not that complicated.
I’d have to agree with @kibagami25. The Detroit Red Wings were in a similar situation before our new GM, Steve Yzerman, took over in 2019; we were beyond bad because we didn’t start the rebuild when we should have and the Penguins are doing something very similar, Since you're new to the sport @Kibagami you may not know, but the Wings in the early 2000s, specifically in 2002, probably had one of, if not the greatest team of all time. I think like 10 HOF players, like Steve Yzerman, who is one of the best players ever; Dominik Hasek, who is one of the best goalies of all time; Nicholas Lindstrom, who is the greatest Swedish player ever and one of the best defenders ever to play; and Pavel Datsyuk, who was in his rookie season that year, who changed the way people puck handle by the end of his career, just to name 4. We won 4 Stanley Cups from 1996 to 2008 and made the cup final a couple more times than that. In 2016, most of the players I’d just mentioned had either retired or were just about to; it was clear it was time for us to rebuild, but our former GM, Ken Holland, decided we needed to make the playoffs 25 years in a row, we did accomplish that and lost in the first round to the young Tampa Bay Lightning, who ironically, the GM was Steve Yzerman before he came back to be the GM of Detroit, but we haven’t made the playoffs since, and because our GM was focused on making the playoffs, he traded young prospects and draft picks away for older players, and by the time we missed our first playoffs, our only stars we had left were Zetterberg and Dylan Larkin in his sophomore season. Even after we missed the playoffs and it was clear we needed to rebuild, Ken Holland wasn’t 100% on board, and even ended up making one of the worst draft choices ever in taking Flip Zaldina instead of Quinn Hughes. So by the time he left and Steve took over in 2019, we had 0 prospects that could be stars besides Dylan Larkin and no older star players left. I tell you all this because, for Pittsburgh, your GM is in a situation a lot like Ken Holland's; your players are some of the best of all time and are HOF worthy without a doubt, but if your GM doesn't rebuild now or soon, your future could be very bad if your GM doesn’t understand that this team more than likely will not win a cup anytime soon and needs to start the rebuild now and not wait 3-4 years from now when all your stars are retired. The Penguins could miss the playoffs 8 years in a row like we have, and the Wings are not even guaranteed to even make it this year, but we do have a chance.
I’d have to agree. @kibagami25. The Detroit Red Wings were in a similar situation before our new GM, Steve Yzerman, took over in 2019; we were beyond bad because we didn’t start the rebuild when we should have. Since you're new to the sport, you may not know, but the Wings in the early 2000s, specifically in 2002, probably had one of, if not the greatest team of all time. I think like 10 HOF players, like Steve Yzerman, who is one of the best players ever; Dominik Hasek, who is one of the best goalies of all time; Nicholas Lindstrom, who is the greatest Swedish player ever and one of the best defenders ever to play; and Pavel Datsyuk, who was in his rookie season that year, who changed the way people puck handle by the end of his career, just to name 4. We won 4 Stanley Cups from 1996 to 2008 and made the cup final a couple more times than that. In 2016, most of the players I’d just mentioned had either retired or were just about to; it was clear it was time for us to rebuild, but our former GM, Ken Holland, decided we needed to make the playoffs 25 years in a row, we did accomplish that and lost in the first round to the young Tampa Bay Lightning, who ironically, the GM was Steve Yzerman before he came back to be the GM of Detroit, but we haven’t made the playoffs since, and because our GM was focused on making the playoffs, he traded young prospects and draft picks away for older players, and by the time we missed our first playoffs, our only stars we had left were Zetterberg and Dylan Larkin in his sophomore season. Even after we missed the playoffs and it was clear we needed to rebuild, Ken Holland wasn’t 100% on board and ended up making one of the worst draft choices ever in taking Flip Zaldina instead of Quinn Hughes. So by the time he left and Steve took over in 2019, we had 0 prospects that could be stars besides Dylan Larkin and no older star players left. I tell you all this because, for Pittsburgh, your GM is in a situation a lot like Ken Holland's; your players are some of the best of all time and are HOF worthy without a doubt, but if your GM doesn't rebuild now or soon, your future could be very bad if your GM doesn’t understand that this team more than likely will not win a cup anytime soon and needs to start the rebuild now and not wait 3-4 years from now when all your stars are retired. The Penguins could miss the playoffs 8 years in a row like we have, and the Wings are not even guaranteed to even make it this year, but we do have a chance.
@@matthewguess74 I figured the geriatrics in the team is causing issues. Even Sullivan has been around a long time and I'm just waiting for the Penguins to shake things up a bit.
@@kibagami25 tbh Id hope for more of a rebuild as a pens fan. There’s not much they can do besides get high draft picks. They’re not going to get young high skilled players by trading their older ones.
Unfortunately you’ve picked a rough time to be a pens fan but on the bright side once they get a rebuild going you’ll see some young talent rise through the ranks throughout the years.
Not with wings he didnt
Stevie was one of the best centers ever. Just not management material
It’s not a big surprise here. You’ve even paying attention long enough. We are in the midst in a big changing of the guard.
The NHL Athlete has evolved a lot over time and coaches who have failed to adapt to the evolving significant variables aren’t cutting it.
Let’s look at 1972. Back then if you brought your son who was a 2nd round draft pick to a golf club you’d get a few compliments but they’d make fun of you for having a kid who is playing a boys sport and getting paid less than their kid Chester who is in finance.
Now that professional sports are valued differently and the League minimum is significantly more than the league average in 1972 (even adjusted for inflation). You have a very different athlete.
The old school method of using gaslight methods to control a player is not only wrong it’s not necessary. Coaches need to CATER to the talent because the talent proved they have the intestinal fortitude and talent to be there in the first place. You can cut those reindeer games and focus on other things to build a team.
That’s why you’re seeing this. It won’t continue. Just firing a coach isn’t the significant variable. A coach understanding the optimal way of coaching the current talent is the significant variable. You’re not gonna see a guy like Mike Keenan come in and save a season.
Man, I thought Michelle Yeoh was the worst fossil of an actress that could be dug up, but then they go and top that with Jamie Lee Curtius. Wow... that's awful. Wow.... And don't forget, they had a budget for this movie of over a 100 million dollars, 12 million of which when to the terrible fossil of an actress Michaelle, and their tricorders look like used cellphones. What was the budget for this garbage movie again? 100 million? Maybe we should call it Star Trek Money Laundering.
Lalonde was too soft for the NHL i think. I'm glad Stevie Y cut him loose and our Red Wings are doin great again.
Kaner should be looking in the mirror. He’s not exactly earning his paycheck this season.
Lalonde got Lalonde fired.