Is Dark Apostate Better than regular cleric? ~ DDO Dark Apostate Build Guide and review
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Literally an hour after I posted this there is a new set of changes that directly relate to melee dark apostate.
I will make a new melee review after U57 since it will bring very large melee buffs to dark apostate.
Did u see my post below?
With more testing the pray for mercy's evil damage i can confirm is deffinatly effected by spell power, metamagics included... (my bane prayer and bless all hit for 2500 too 5000 aoe evil damage not bad for 12 mana and a debuff) but even tho it specifically says on the icon for apostats curse that it scalles with 100% spell power it seems it does not utilize metamagics at all (wich my cleric adds 300 to 500 evil damage per hit) seems correct and intended.
Did this end up happening? All I can find on TH-cam is "Melee Dark Apostate takes a lot of work".
Strimtom: "Damage is low, really really low..."
Every Melee Character: "Typical."
It REALLY needs either one of the death auras or negative energy burst like the positive ones normal Clerics have.
I never found healing to be an issue so I don't really agree with this. Just cast inflict spells.
I love that book!
I played around with DA on HC. Did a chain from SDK and FD Sword. was fun.
Its amazing how quickly we got Archetypes from their introduction as a discussion topic to implementation. If I understand correctly Lynnabel said they can be added into the game relatively easily compared to lots of other projects.
1. How about adding Crushing Despair and Waves of Exhaustion to DA spellbook as part of the cores?
2. Add an ability to use a Turn and inflict a Healing Penalty Curse!
(Free Curse spell is neat, Curse spell was already quite useful at 10SP or to cast with metas once on a boss)
3. Turning: In addition to a curse ability, an ability to Command Undead by turning would be good, and one step closer to adding Evil alignments to the game :D
This might be OP if DA's turning was buffed to be on par with Cleric tho. DAs get 3 more Turns, but 3 less effective levels and 6 less HD undead turned than Clerics do. They get 5 less abilities to use their turns for other things.
4. Maybe add a Create Lesser Undead and Create Greater Undead spells, that Pale Masters could use too:
for lesser undead: an Arcane skeleton with Lesser Death Aura, a wight, 2 zombies/ghouls?
for greater undead: a vampire priest with inflict mass wounds, a death knight with improved sunder, a quell?
Totally agree with this assessment. For a spell casting dark apostate, I leveled the exact same way. The damage was lack luster the whole way with exception of necrotic ray. Having two gave me decent single target damage.
I think u missed the concept altogether sorry.. the apostate curse wep damage scales off 100% evil spell power wich is radiance spell power. Same also with pray for mercy! This looks like a melee caster hybrid radiece spell power hybrid and good domain works great added light spell power I went single wep fighting mace from sun elf.. iconic. The evil hits for 500 to several k every hit of mace same also with the age bane damage from pray from mercy 500 to several k damage per target hit! This not at all a divine eldrige knight.. completely differant
@@bradleymiltonsmith7996 ok that's fine but you're looking to play that melee hybrid. I'm not .... I'm tying to play a necro cleric spell caster. That's why they offer different options. I can easily see the scalability of damage based off using a favored weapon coupled with curse dice, etc.
Looks like fun! I'm actually going to try to convince my wife to run Undead (in mid+ heroic) next Hardcore to see how the synergies going. Some would say... why not go Bots or some such. Well, because bots "aren't pretty". Yes, races are somewhat limited in our household! :)
Cosmetics, on the other hand, are helping keep DDO in business, I think. I don't know how or what, but she wants more variety and more options to help take our money.
I’ve been doing ranged with inquisitive. I agree Apostates Curse need tweaking
Question what would you do for a melee build 6lv trailblazer monk 14 dark apostate cleric. 2 handed q staff
It sounds like your assessment was the same as mine. It is an interesting concept, there are some good things it does well in debuffing, but at the end of the day, you're better off following the standard builds: Evocation cleric (pick your domain, I prefer fire), Necro DC cleric (instakiller/cc/some dps), or THF war domain cleric (probably multiclassed). Speaking for myself, I'll just run a standard fire cleric 1-20, investing in other (better) enhancement trees, and only grabbing the low-hanging fruit from DA. Rinse and repeat 3x for the past lives, and never look back. It's probably alright pairing together with a PM or Deathlock for that "Ooo - undead party! So edgy, much darkness..." flavor. Just don't forget to mix up your spells on those undead-heavy quests so you don't heal every mob lol (hmm...once again, a recommendation to move away from what is core to DA and use other cleric stuff...I sense a pattern). Again, neat concept, I get the ideas behind it, but it's just not quite there yet.
Right on, mine as well
Or have you guys thought about doing something cool like who fucking cares what does better even mean its a game i want my guy to look cool
So i am still new to DDO and im an Undead kinda guy so i was wondering if the shadow apostate undead form can be used at the same time as the Pale master ones from wizard. I would like to know if its worth going something like Dark Apostate - Pale Master to double down on the undead aspects and negative energy stuff, or if i can use the Evil weapon damage toggle with eldritch knight damage toggles or if they override each other
You can double down on everything except the forms and the toggles. Currently, you can have both toggles active at the same time, but next patch the toggles will share dice, but only allow 1 to be active at a time (same damage, just 1 toggle at a time with the damage combined).
You can only have 1 form active at a time as well, but the pale master buffs like extra negative amplification or like the melee buffs do work.
@@Strimtom Ok thank you for the information. So just to make sure I understand clearly with the toggles. So if i have the eldritch knight toggle and the dark apostate toggle for weapon damage it will Currently do both the elemental damage type and Evil damage. And as of the upcoming update you will keep the damage numbers for having both toggles on but you will only have an element type damage or evil damage based on like which one was toggled on first i assume?
@@zemtov basically, instead of getting more spellsword damage or apostate curse damage, you will get generic "imbue" damage that works on all of them, no matter which one you have turned on. So now you can just focus on 1 spellpower but get the extra power from both eldritch knight and dark apostate, or still scale a few spell powers for some versatility. Much more versatile system.
How is their damage in LH/R1 raids?
the style is cool but it needs to be a bit stronger in damage, that is my observativation as well
But let's be honest generally miserable toplay spellcaster anything early game, you have high damage but you have to be so conservative with SP or you just run out real quick and have to struggle with clickies
A Nice Kind
did they buff damage?
Thanks for all your helpful guides Strim ..i am a really old DnD fan and hate to say it but seeing players wanting a race like Yaun-ti playable as a race .. shhhz the game has turned into a Zoo enough , i dont wanna seem racist but christ i Dm’d for decades using 1st and 2nd edition guides and refused to even use 3rd feeling like i have supported and love this game so much already .. this is for the younger generations ..hate to start rubbing me wrong , i used Yaun-ti plenty and if remember right the original monster manuals, listed them Evil alignment period they hate other races period .. vent over .. enjoy the new possible builds to come
Do you have a fast leveling guide.
I'm always astounded how you can level toons so fast.
Specially in epics, I can get kind of lost there on what quests to do
Here is a link to the quest path that I normally take
docs.google.com/document/d/1xMJIlNntb8IRmTkuTDEPwmgdxAKnIELL_Nbs25Ugj6s/edit?usp=sharing
Some minor changes right now:
-Temple of Elemental Evil is extremely good XP. Learn the pack and you will level fast fast fast.
-During night revels, save the quests for epics. I did them when I was level 26 on challenge level 37 and got about 1.5mil xp for doing them all which takes almost no time.
@@Strimtom You are truly the GOAT of DDO thanks man.
@@Strimtom Thanks so much, love your content!
could be a interesting tank debuffer to run with palemaster friends?
Debuffing tank apostate was also on my mind.
Has anyone run into a bug with the Dark Apostate in the Menace of the Underdark expansion zones, where Curse, Banes and even Bless spells actually HEAL the bad guys?
Figured it out ...... Draconic Epic Destiny allows additional negative damage with each damage spell cast on the enemy. So vs. Undead it's healing them because I'm not using the Pale Master ability "Unholy Avatar."
does dark apostate effect rune arms?
No weapon imbue affects rune arms
By the way while experimenting with DA 2hf, I took wood elf racial AND tried Dwarf racial for Dwaraxe, does not give proficiency. Need to take war domain, blow a feat or not be pure cleric. Big F that a 12 point racial dip does not accommodate for that...
lv 5 war domain doe grant prof though at least.
@@bradlyhaskell9821 It's still a forced domain pick, and you need to invest 12 racial points. It's very limiting, in my opinion, if you're not an uber completionist.
@@dumbboyalex4396 fair but unfortunately war domain is already a forced pick for most dps centric melee clerics due to the holy sword spell like at 14.... honestly I think war domain should not get that and favored weapon crit should be in a better warpriest tree at the lv 12 core
I hope the next playable races ddo adds is duergar or the yuan-ti
Yuan-ti would be lit
I like either option!! Something insectoid-like would also be amazing. Such as a thrikeen with exceptional jump capabilities.
Yuan-ti... Yes!
I still want Kalashtar (and the Iconic would be a Sacred Fist, obviously, or Celestial-pact Warlock)
When I heard that ddo was first adding barb iconic I thought it was gonna be dwarf now that that are sub classes maybe now instead of cat ppl I can have a duergar dwarfbarb
They should change the prayer spell to an eerie color.
When i tried one, I reset my enhancements and played just like a caster cleric like you. pretty underwhelming at least early on. and you get blown up by searing light.
Maybe I missed it, but is there something that reduces the light damage you take? thought i searched the tree, but didnt see anything.
It's actually bugged and doesn't increase light damage taken at the moment, so you just got blown up by searing light; dark apostate or not!
Until it gets fixed enjoy being a dark apostate with no light weakness.
trees pale/fist/prostatae lol u seen it coming devs ;)369
Before seeing the video I can say no
Simple answer… no
ddo bad. play gw2 instead
I put about 30 hours into guild wars 2, and while it is clearly a very good videogame, it doesn't really offer anything that other MMOs I'm more familiar with don't already offer. MMOs requiring 100+ hours of investment to really get into makes the shift from 1 to the next hard for me.
I do plan to cruise through the expansions though. I picked up end of dragons so I'll get around to it. Everytime I log in I usually pvp for a few hours and forget to advance the story lol