What I like about ISP is that he knows history. It makes him make good jokes about the topic that most of his fans understand. I just wanted to say that.
I partially agree. For example, Ottomans weren't really salty at Poland after Vienna - as far as I know they had friendly ties before, during and after partiations so his support to Russian Empire doesn't make sense if we were to RP. But overall - true
@@landstalker7317 but Christian missionaries from the Ottomans is one of the last thing you'll ever hear. The Ottoman Sultan is the Caliph of the Islamic faith himself.
@@emirdiegomontes6411 There were lots of Evangelical missionaries in the Christian areas of the Ottoman Empire, but I'm sure if they went preaching in the middle of some Muslim village in Hejaz, that wouldn't go to well.
Last Christmas you opened advent calendars but the very next day the video files got corrupted. This year to save us from tears you're going to play Coolmathgames
For the 12th day of Christmas Sam gave to me 11... 14... Artillery comments 13? Better go and sharpen my counting skills on Coolmathgames.com [Also I'm not Alpha anymore, changed to Aurora]
"almost" is the important word, the ottomans where more advanced than europeans in many ways, but saying they almost succeded at invading Europe is far from the truth.
all that would be possible if we dont factor in how overstretched the ottomans were at that point, you know its not just about beating the enemy at war... keeping what you gained is...
9:28 Our Proud Nations will stay together in the history Mr Sorrow, you will never regret it, also it is the first time i've ever seen our flag in victoria ii game and its wonderful.
Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, a toddler and the entire country of Belgium all get in a fistfight. Who wins? The toddler, because the other three are fairy tales.
@@Seagull780 You've clearly never read the Bible. Christians hate non Christians. They see them as inferior and will destroy them by any means. 2 John 1:9-11 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. 2 Corinthians 6:14-15 ESV / 217 helpful votes Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? Psalm 14:1 ESV / 268 helpful votes To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good. 2 John 1:9-11 ESV / 740 helpful votes Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. There's many, many more in the Bible if you would look.
I'm in the neo-ottoman, and I love the Ottoman Empire and its twilight so you got know that their imports were mostly of Germany that's why they had so much gear most of the weapons from the Germans and their iconic khaki gear came from the British
+uok Wrong, they never called themselves Rum in official documents, you've got it completely ass backwards. Rum referred to the people who lived in Rumelia (what the Ottomans called the Balkan), Rum basically meant their Orthodox Christian subjects. The Ottoman Sultans were not Rum, Muslim Turks were not Rum, Arabs were not Rum. Rum referred to a very specific part of the population that was not part of the ruling class. Also their bureaucracy was completely different, but I don't feel like goinig into that right now because that's a whole other can of worms. So in conclusion, the Ottomans never declared themselves to be the successor, let alone the continuation of Rome, so stop making shit up, thank you.
+Kaka Kaka People always bring up the Kaiser-I-Rum thing, but people never really look at the context. When Mehmed adopted the title Caesar of Rome, he wasn't saying his empire was now Rome, he was saying that he now became the ruler of Rum, or specifically the Caesar of Rome, which he used to legitimize his imperial claims. This was very much Ottoman custom, to adopt local titles in order to add legitimacy to their rule. So when they conquered Egypt, the Ottoman Sultan became Sultan of Upper and Lower Egypt, when they conquered Mecca they decided to take the title of Caliph etc. But the Ottoman Sultans would never call themselves Rum, that's the crucial part here. They would see themselves more as the protector or ruler of Rum, but not as Rum themselves. Also I am very much aware that Rumelia originally referred to Anatolia, however this gradually changed to a name for the Balkans. Probably because most local inhabitants would refer to the Balkans as Romania (the common name for the Balkans before the Ottoman conquest) and probably because the amount of Rum (Orthodox Christians) in Anatolia had substantially decreased since Seljuk rule.
+uok Mehmed was really the only one to try and use the Caesar of Rome title for any kind of serious leverage. After him it was quickly abandoned and stops being used entirely around the late 16th-early 17th Century. Also Mehmed never declared his Empire a continuation of Rome, he merely made Caesar one of his *secondary* titles, not his primary title. Mehmed wasn't first and foremost Caesar, he was Sultan, Padishah, Caliph or even Khan before he was Caesar. The Ottomans were a multicultural Empire, so they would adopt local titles to legitimize their rule for different peoples. So for Orthodox Christians, the title of Caesar would be more familiar to them and legitimize the Ottoman Sultans suzerainity. Also I seriously doubt Rum only referred to Greeks, because when Eastern Rumelia was created in the 1870's, it was primarily composed of Bulgarians, not Greeks. To call the Ottomans a continuation of Rome is like calling Spain a continuation of Rome because Thomas Palaiologos sold his titles to the King of Spain. It's a stretch at best and completely ridiculous at worst.
+uok Well, you did say that the Ottomans were "a continuation of Rome", and that's what I take major issue with. Anyway, I disagree that the government was based on Rome, atleast directly. They did inherit some things, but not in a very different way from say how Medieval European Kingdoms also inherited some governance from Rome. The Ottomans for one had a completely different taxation system, based on Islamic Law, there was no equivalent to the Jizya or Zakat in the Roman Empire. They also had completely different titles and upper positions. There was not really an equivalent to the Megas Doux for example, which was essentially a kind of Prime Minister (not in the modern sense), nor were there any real equivalent to Sebastokrator, Senator etc. They did borrow some things though, the ceremonial ritual in the Topkapi Palace for example seems to have been somewhat indirectly inspired by the Roman court rituals in the Great Palace, and there were some other minor things I can't recall at the moment, but I don't think these things are enough to declare them a continuation of Rome. In short, the Ottomans borrowed things from Rome, but so did pretty much all of Europe and much of the Middle East, that doesn't make those countries continuations of Rome. Rome was a political entity, and that political entity was destroyed in 1453.
5:04 "I don't recommend taking this part of Greece." You could pretty much say that about any part of Greece and you would be right on the money - Speaking of money, not even the Greeks are too keen on taking responsibility for Greece.
YES MY FRIEND THE GREATER GOOD SHALL SPREAD FOR THE TAU EMPIRE I MEAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CITIZENS OF THE TAU EMPIRE DEFINITELY NOT FOR IMPERIALISTIC EXPANSION HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:15 "Now we are number one in everything and be it on the backs of others. We just built a really big navy and a really big army . We did literally nothing else to deserve that spot." - Imperialism in a nutshell
"Never gonna get a sequel"- that aged like fine wine
yep
Damn well it did.
Yep
Yup
@@Lubecgeo amogsus
*American Cabinet Meeting*
“Sir, the Ottomans have constructed a canal through panama?”
President: “What? WHAT?”
“Bring me my BIG STICK.”
*puts on glasses menacingly
Carge!!!!!
Who?... did WHAT?...and WHERE?
You know it's a bot when it doesn't @ right
@@theawkwardskeleton6608 remember to talk softly too
sick man of Europe? more like THICC man of Europe
Doggg thicc wamyn of Europe,, men can't be thicc and that's supporting the patriarchy
Smooth
@فهمي كتاني yeah hence the moniker lol
T H I C C
The only thing that is thicc is your mom
“Never gonna get a sequel” we all thought so
Hehe I went straight to this video as soon as I heard aged PERFECTLY
Lol it has come a sequel now
We still don't have a sequel, we have a parody
if only it didnt get a squeal
The Russia going fascist and invading Ukraine joke aged like fine artisanal dairy
Oof
ooof
Except Ukraine went nazi and it's not a joke.
@@bdleo300 Simeone's been sneaking the propaganda juice when mom wasn't looking.
Oof
I thought you were gonna play Australia because of the land down under. Can you hear can you hear the thunder?
where women glow and men plunder
You better run, you better take cover
Buying bread from a man in Brussels
Are you unable to reeeeead?
Which mod is he playing?
“The prussians wants us to fight austria”
*ceddin deden plays in distance*
*death to vienna plays in the distance**
th-cam.com/video/-AB0k4Itneg/w-d-xo.html
First notes: F3 and C4
Plink: G6 (x15)
Distance: Major third down under (lul)
hello ironside pitch boi
Our Lord and savior!
Kept us waiting
If there’s only one person or thing that brings me true happiness, it is you.
I can fart in E Minor.
The Ottomans ruin everything because Otto and his men were sleeping all the time the lazy fricks.
The Ottomans are Bismarck's brother's army which failed to defeat France.
The Ottomans are the Islamic version of Spain, because they always go have a siesta
HEY! NO SWEARING!! THIS IS A CHRISTIAN WEBSITE
Fricking hecks man flip flop crop
The Ottomans ruined everything because they were betrayed by Egypt.
What I like about ISP is that he knows history. It makes him make good jokes about the topic that most of his fans understand. I just wanted to say that.
I partially agree. For example, Ottomans weren't really salty at Poland after Vienna - as far as I know they had friendly ties before, during and after partiations so his support to Russian Empire doesn't make sense if we were to RP.
But overall - true
I know some things are false, of course
@@TheTomexNo1 Also there were polish immigrants WHO settled in İstanbul in ottoman empire WHO were treated well by ottomans.
@@TheTomexNo1 Yeah but he's obviously not taking it too seriously
"Ah my fellow war crime denier"
Take my likes you mad man
Aaron Mcreynolds Just like the entire “Civilized World”
Aaron Mcreynolds oh yeah, those british, french and russians are such angels, they accepted and apologised for their war crimes. God bless them❤️❤️
Honestly it's the Germans that have owned up to it the best.
@@elmascapo6588 Never said who commited the worst crimes. just that Germany has done the best job taking responsibility for it's past.
Sheev Togwaggle i agree about that.
Christian missionaries...
from the Ottomans...
10/10 iSorrow.
Ottomans were actually tolerant to missionaries.
@@landstalker7317 but Christian missionaries from the Ottomans is one of the last thing you'll ever hear. The Ottoman Sultan is the Caliph of the Islamic faith himself.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 are there instances where the ottomans let Christians in their lands
Normie
@@emirdiegomontes6411 There were lots of Evangelical missionaries in the Christian areas of the Ottoman Empire, but I'm sure if they went preaching in the middle of some Muslim village in Hejaz, that wouldn't go to well.
Last Christmas you opened advent calendars but the very next day the video files got corrupted. This year to save us from tears you're going to play Coolmathgames
For the 12th day of Christmas Sam gave to me
11... 14... Artillery comments
13?
Better go and sharpen my counting skills on Coolmathgames.com
[Also I'm not Alpha anymore, changed to Aurora]
epical Sam, very epical
no
Last Christmas he was playing hoi4
it's still october, please refrain from christmas carols until at least November 1st
WHERE IS IRONSIDE PITCH BOI?
having a stroke
Rehearsal
working probably
About 3-4 comments above you
You have a pub named after you in Devon btw
Your indutry went up 20% from just nibbles of Germany, is that German efficency or Ottoman incompetance?
why build industry when you can take others hon hon
Both
Both
From game perspective German provinces always have high number of factory worker pops
@@alikuzyaka2152 nuce flag
Aye finally some good Furniture Empire
Niech żyje Sułtan!
Let's be honest, ottomans (ottomen?) are just inferior pouffes
@@jackryan2612 this inferior empire took whole europe as a target and almost suceded
"almost" is the important word, the ottomans where more advanced than europeans in many ways, but saying they almost succeded at invading Europe is far from the truth.
all that would be possible if we dont factor in how overstretched the ottomans were at that point, you know its not just about beating the enemy at war... keeping what you gained is...
One that’s never gonna get a sequel,well bois look at it now
“It’s that one game that’s never gonna get a sequel.”
Victoria 3 Announcement Trailer: *Am I a joke to you?*
This was in 2018, what did you expect?
If Egypt suddenly disappears from the map then the Ottomans aren't to blame.
Its just a isolated incident
@@frichickenishaplaysmc2381 Don't forget Armenia my good old matey
0:14 did not age well! ~
10:54 he called it
2:40 Central Powers early access
Omfg lol
Austria not included
i sorrow predicted the ukrainian russian war
It had already started since 2014
Russian invasion
10:55
Ayo ?
"Never gonna get a sequel,"
A couple years ago I thought he was wrong.
These days... I know he was right v-v
i think isp is playing a lot vic 2 to force paradox to realise victoria 3
I hope it works :D
it worked!
KURDISTAN - 𝐄𝐗𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐒
Ottoman Empire - Its free real estate
+Asf Mankey ASSYRIA - *İn Existence*
Kurds - Real Free Estate
Europe:exists
Germany:its free real estate
The world: exists
The Brits: It's free real estate with a loicense, I swer on me mom's bottle
Manchuria:Exists
Japan: It's free real estate
Holy hell i love this comment section. We dont even have a single triggered turkish boi here We are improving
10:53 he predicted the invasion of Ukraine
Donbass and crimea was 2014
11:03 If only you knew how right you were
Constantine? More like Constantartilleryonly
Harvey Thompson thats brilliant
Silence Europe, its Istanbul.
0:14 i am proud to say that you were wrong all along
0:14 you lied to us all
"russia has taken ukraine and gone fascist, this is too close to the real world"
you can say that again
10:54 GOD DAMN IT ISP YOU CALLED IT!
Crimea was 2014
"You see, you take out kurdistan and.."
-Tronald Dump
What do you called a german ottoman?
OTTO VON BISMARCK
Otto Von SuleiMAN
Castsmith nah he was successful and could put something together and hold it together unlike someone COUGH COUGH OTTOMANS COUGH
Otto Man Bismarck
hey our empire lasted longer than the germany bismarck build!
At first I didn't get it...then I realised I didn't care
Nice clanks isp also ottomemes.
real name "Osmanlı" not ottoman
0:13 Well that age badly.
Vicky 2 Australia gameplay confirmed?
He already did one.
No
0:13 that aged poorly
Best Ironside intro so far
guess what game is getting a sequel......
Yea, don't you feel dumb now...2 and a half years later... .. just shoot me
I clicked harder than Ataturk pressed down on Turkey
"The one that's never gonna get a sequel!" didn't age well I guess 🤷
You beat me to this you shit I just commented it without seeing this lol
wtf australia isn't even a real country
10:56 This aged way too well holy shit
10:56 aged well.
They announced VIC 3 but It is 3 years later
"All I did was build a really big navy, and a really big army, and nothing else to deserve this."
Accurately describes the Ottoman Empire, actually.
no
they were technologicly advanced too.
I think you forgot that the Ottoman Empire opened a new age ;)
I'll have you know they promised ON STREAM that Vicy 3 WILL be released...
Before 2045.
You didn’t remind us :(
10:55
This game makes the best predictions
"Don't worry boys, we'll have him playing coolmathgames before the leaves fall from the trees." - Kasier Wilhelm ll.
9:28 Our Proud Nations will stay together in the history Mr Sorrow, you will never regret it, also it is the first time i've ever seen our flag in victoria ii game and its wonderful.
Random comment to help out ISP since TH-cam is run by an equation
*algorithm
Pls do a conversion video! Vic2 to Hoi4
Little does he know Victoria 3 just got announced
0:13 HA
"you know the game that will never get a sequel"
🌀👄🌀 Are you sure about that?
Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, a toddler and the entire country of Belgium all get in a fistfight. Who wins?
The toddler, because the other three are fairy tales.
"The one that'll never get a sequel!" Well that aged well.
That intro aged like milk
ISP:Oh it’s that game which will never get a sequel
me:are you sure about that?
"You know, the game thats never going to get a squeal"
*Laughs in Half life 2, Portal 2, Dota 2, Team fortress 2, and Left 4 dead 2*
sweats in half life 2 alyx
Anything made by valve and end with 2
Csgo
Counter-strike GO is a sequel 🤏
The intro didn't age very well. *looks at camera*
I love how he said this game would never get a sequel
Why did i even bother going here to correct isp that this game will in fact get a sequel? 7 hours ago someone beat me to it.
"Ah, my fellow war crime denier"
Lmao
0:13 Damn...
10:54 this aged like fine wine...
It got a sequel
whoo
Confederate states of America!
@@Seagull780 You've clearly never read the Bible. Christians hate non Christians. They see them as inferior and will destroy them by any means.
2 John 1:9-11
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
2 Corinthians 6:14-15 ESV / 217 helpful votes
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
Psalm 14:1 ESV / 268 helpful votes
To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
2 John 1:9-11 ESV / 740 helpful votes
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
There's many, many more in the Bible if you would look.
@@heavypupper1219 What?
that intro aged well
But what about the industrial output of the Ottoman empire during world war 1?
I'm in the neo-ottoman, and I love the Ottoman Empire and its twilight so you got know that their imports were mostly of Germany that's why they had so much gear most of the weapons from the Germans and their iconic khaki gear came from the British
That Ukrainian bit aged very well
9:59
the chad ottoman
10:06
the virgin austria
It was a terrible battle. The enemy hurled themselves upon us with swords, rifles, machine-guns, and worst of all... seven hundred rock-cakes!
'that game that's never going to get a sequel', HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW THAT THEY'VE ANNOUNCED VIC3?
ottoman empire: look
ottoman empire: I am the roman empire!
www.harita.gov.tr/urun-262-haritasi.html
Ironside pitch boi, what’s your analysis!?
10:44 isorrow predicted the future
Shit, this was two years ago now? I’m starting to feel OOOOLLLLLDDDDD
Heart of Darkness? I am pretty sure of your %90 of your subs don't know about that novel :)
Comrade ISP next time make an undertale op, succumb to the meme so you can get some cheap clicks
Actually Ottomans were a really successful great power of the Mediterranean, maybe second to Rome.
They were definitely more stable.
+uok
Wrong, they never called themselves Rum in official documents, you've got it completely ass backwards. Rum referred to the people who lived in Rumelia (what the Ottomans called the Balkan), Rum basically meant their Orthodox Christian subjects. The Ottoman Sultans were not Rum, Muslim Turks were not Rum, Arabs were not Rum. Rum referred to a very specific part of the population that was not part of the ruling class.
Also their bureaucracy was completely different, but I don't feel like goinig into that right now because that's a whole other can of worms.
So in conclusion, the Ottomans never declared themselves to be the successor, let alone the continuation of Rome, so stop making shit up, thank you.
+Kaka Kaka
People always bring up the Kaiser-I-Rum thing, but people never really look at the context. When Mehmed adopted the title Caesar of Rome, he wasn't saying his empire was now Rome, he was saying that he now became the ruler of Rum, or specifically the Caesar of Rome, which he used to legitimize his imperial claims. This was very much Ottoman custom, to adopt local titles in order to add legitimacy to their rule. So when they conquered Egypt, the Ottoman Sultan became Sultan of Upper and Lower Egypt, when they conquered Mecca they decided to take the title of Caliph etc.
But the Ottoman Sultans would never call themselves Rum, that's the crucial part here. They would see themselves more as the protector or ruler of Rum, but not as Rum themselves.
Also I am very much aware that Rumelia originally referred to Anatolia, however this gradually changed to a name for the Balkans. Probably because most local inhabitants would refer to the Balkans as Romania (the common name for the Balkans before the Ottoman conquest) and probably because the amount of Rum (Orthodox Christians) in Anatolia had substantially decreased since Seljuk rule.
+uok
Mehmed was really the only one to try and use the Caesar of Rome title for any kind of serious leverage. After him it was quickly abandoned and stops being used entirely around the late 16th-early 17th Century. Also Mehmed never declared his Empire a continuation of Rome, he merely made Caesar one of his *secondary* titles, not his primary title. Mehmed wasn't first and foremost Caesar, he was Sultan, Padishah, Caliph or even Khan before he was Caesar.
The Ottomans were a multicultural Empire, so they would adopt local titles to legitimize their rule for different peoples. So for Orthodox Christians, the title of Caesar would be more familiar to them and legitimize the Ottoman Sultans suzerainity.
Also I seriously doubt Rum only referred to Greeks, because when Eastern Rumelia was created in the 1870's, it was primarily composed of Bulgarians, not Greeks.
To call the Ottomans a continuation of Rome is like calling Spain a continuation of Rome because Thomas Palaiologos sold his titles to the King of Spain. It's a stretch at best and completely ridiculous at worst.
+uok
Well, you did say that the Ottomans were "a continuation of Rome", and that's what I take major issue with. Anyway, I disagree that the government was based on Rome, atleast directly. They did inherit some things, but not in a very different way from say how Medieval European Kingdoms also inherited some governance from Rome. The Ottomans for one had a completely different taxation system, based on Islamic Law, there was no equivalent to the Jizya or Zakat in the Roman Empire. They also had completely different titles and upper positions. There was not really an equivalent to the Megas Doux for example, which was essentially a kind of Prime Minister (not in the modern sense), nor were there any real equivalent to Sebastokrator, Senator etc.
They did borrow some things though, the ceremonial ritual in the Topkapi Palace for example seems to have been somewhat indirectly inspired by the Roman court rituals in the Great Palace, and there were some other minor things I can't recall at the moment, but I don't think these things are enough to declare them a continuation of Rome.
In short, the Ottomans borrowed things from Rome, but so did pretty much all of Europe and much of the Middle East, that doesn't make those countries continuations of Rome. Rome was a political entity, and that political entity was destroyed in 1453.
@@uok8012 www.harita.gov.tr/urun-262-haritasi.html not im Osmanlı and Osmanlı's Türk
ISP: "You take out Kurdistan and become a great power"
Turkey: ✍️✍️✍️✍️
5:04 "I don't recommend taking this part of Greece."
You could pretty much say that about any part of Greece and you would be right on the money - Speaking of money, not even the Greeks are too keen on taking responsibility for Greece.
okay please do vicky 2 collab with alex and drew or sth just have them completley clueless
11:00 Oh god
Sorry bro, gotta change that intro,
V I C K Y 3 B A BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Nice one ISP you make a entertaining video on my birthday even though you wouldn't know when my birthday is but really cool video
Clearly the greater good at work
YES MY FRIEND THE GREATER GOOD SHALL SPREAD FOR THE TAU EMPIRE I MEAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CITIZENS OF THE TAU EMPIRE DEFINITELY NOT FOR IMPERIALISTIC EXPANSION HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, its my birthday as well.
That bit In the beginning didn’t hold up to well lmao
Do crusader kings all the way to hoi4 with Byzantium!!
The unruly condition beautifully replace because nose pathologically attach towards a amuck certification. absorbed, false familiar famous sunday
Australia was made up by the Ottomans... confirmed by ISP with that intro
"The Armenian Question"
*Final Solution starts playing* xD
Do a game with basque country please
That intro aged like milk lol
11:15 "Now we are number one in everything and be it on the backs of others. We just built a really big navy and a really big army . We did literally nothing else to deserve that spot." - Imperialism in a nutshell
"The game that's never gonna get a sequel"
WELL WELL WELL
Actually the Ottoman history goes like this:
Hey we won a war!
OH GOD FIRE
REVOLT
Repeat