I did a course with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe where you can learn how to create harsh vocal sounds yourself! Check it here: www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/ultimate-extreme-will-ramos
This was absolutely incredible. The talent of Will was already mind-blowing and the collaboration was fantastic. Please please please can we get a retake of this exact video but get the slowmo guys and their super slow motion cameras in on the collaboration I think everyone would learn from it and would be extremely entertaining!!!
Just an idea but I think you should do this with elite level beatboxers the sounds some of them make is insane and some of them have amazing inward bass there's an amazing beatboxer with the arguably the best inward bass on the planet called King Inertia and he's from the US I think it would make a brilliant video
One of the best videos I've ever seen in my life! Not only game changing for vocalists everywhere, but metal musicians and the community as a whole. THANK YOU for doing this!
Early Elizabeth : I'm not very familiar with metal! Elizabeth now : Will Ramos, a camera and his neck... How do you create harsh vocals? Full Metal Elizabeth - Director's Cut -
I love him he’s a goof 😂 “cool” so nonchalantly like he didn’t just do something absolutely amazing. I don’t think he realises the extent of how good he is.
He's not doing anything that long time death, black, doom, or symphonic metal bands have already been doing. Heck the band is not doing anything new. Blackend death metal had been around for ages. Winds of Plauge was doing what his band is doing. The list goes on. A number of these bands are very overrated for not breaking new ground. Meanwhile bands Fleashgod, Dark Tranquility, Mors, etc get little credit for the paths they paved.
But I love how when he's high energy and excited, his voice drops in and out of that rasp like its completely natural and second nature. Like the "that" @2:55
I just listened to some of their stuff. Can't believe THAT's his real voice. I'm an old fart, so he sounds and looks like a kid to me. But I've been listening to extreme metal since the mid 90's. Pretty good stuff, makes me have hope for the new generations. By now extreme metal has developed very distinct vocal styles.
Showed this to my wife who is a SLP in Indianapolis, a few months back. One of the largest outpatient facilities in the state had pretty much every therapist huddled around her laptop watching this just incredibly amazed. This is actually important to capture, and I hope actual research comes from this.
He has a one take video with no layering or double vocals out with him performing Hellfire. If that's not proof enough then people are just being assholes lol
@@wizardthreehats5370 as much proof as the hellfire one take is. It's still a produced and compressed recording. So some average listeners are gonna take that as trickery of some sort.
I had the same thought! Will: Noises Lobby sitters if this was a normal doctor's office with cheap ass walls: "Wtf, is that person okay? It is a human, right?"
Timestamps for individual techniques: 27:58 falsetto singing, high to low slides 29:13 pig squeal vocal fry 30:10 pig squeal false chord 30:31 pig squeals with various tones (not sure if false chord or vocal fry) 31:30 lowest to highest gutterals 32:47 tea-kettle screams 34:28 tuvan throat singing 35:10 throat singing to normal scream 36:07 closed-mouths 36:41 hell sounds (?) 37:00 pitched goblins 37:50 unpitched goblins 38:05 fry tunnels 38:38 false-chord tunnels 39:10 pitched false folds 39:41 more pitched bocals (?) 40:40 chorus of "Of The Abyss" 41:18 "nasally high high" Good luck to all the vocalists who are studying this out there!
This brought tears to my eyes. Dr. Amanda was clearly trying to hold back the emotion of the moment and focus on the science. It's incredible that you've been able to capture the moment when something truly novel was experienced. I'm so glad we all get to be a part of it.
You can literally see Dr. Amanda tearing up as she's talking at the end. Its so evident just how passionate she is about this field and how excited and overwhelmed with emotion she was to see something completely new after years in her field.
I think after this, Elizabeth needs to be featured on a Lorna Shore song using her amazing operatic skills. I think having Will doing crazy gutterals and her doing crazy power would be unlike anyone else.
@@DestructionGlitter Oh I would say so! it was the mother of all hints. Consider how much they have used sampled choirs for the classical parts. Now they have access to the real deal. It would be a monumental crime not to use her.
very inspiring to see "normal" people who don't listen to these types of vocals be in absolute awe with will. as someone who listens to this type of music, its nice to hear someone say positive things towards these type of singers. We all know that this music isn't for everyone, but to hear 2 doctors be impressed is something ill always think about. Thank you Elizabeth and the Doctors involved for bringing this to a wider group of people!
Same.. your comment almost made me cry lol its so true. Kinda stopped screaming because of the negative opinions, really hurts trying to practice a passion when you're upsetting people with it
Im absolutely not in this kind of music, but man, this is really incredible. I think is very unfair to call this just weird people screaming like a bear or a pig. I’ll never hear this for entertainment, but I have to say that they are really talented and deserve all the respect
@@Sam-uu2nx just do you, you're gonna upset people no matter what, so might as well upset them whilst doing something you love! for example, you are upsetting ME by not practicing your passion >:c live your best life king
As someone who has always thought it was crazy insane that people could do that with their voices but didn't really like that music as much or was always told it was Satan's music 🙄. This was so amazing to see. It just shows me that just because something is different or not your taste doesn't make it bad. It's just wholly and uniquely different. This mad my day to see.
I can hardly believe how it started with a simple TH-cam Reaction Channel and how you have now, with the help of Will, managed to contribute a milestone in this field of research. Your video is so well done and interesting and entertaining at the same time, but still has that seriousness and professional approach. Really admirable. Thank you Will, thank you Elizabeth and thank you Kirk!
I think the thing I love most about this video, is the constant use of the word "talent". For so long this type of vocalisation has been demonized by the majority. Will Ramos is fucking talented and hearing that from scientists is amazing. Absolute game changing video!
@@koblefraSame techniques though some different like pig squeals but overall very similar.I mean back in the days Deathcore was a mix of death metal and hardcore .
what I learned today: - some truly groundbreaking findings on the anatomy of extreme vocals - scrub hands against stainless steel to remove garlic odor
@@TheCharismaticVoice - Tatiana is in the US (in LA, I believe), do you think you could convince her to do a similar thing before they go on tour? Maybe you can uncover the "secret" to her harsh vocals. 🙂 The rest of the band was given a special permission by the ukrainian Ministry of Culture to leave the country and be musical embassadors for the ukrainian cause abroad, so they should be reunited soon.
@@module79l28 i'm gonna see Jinjer live in spain at the end of this month in a festival! i was so scared that they finally won't come but finally they are coming!
The Charismatic Voice, the channel that pushes the boundaries of vocal science and education. Thanks Elizabeth for bringing this to us and for Will Ramos being such a good sport to go through this.
He's definitely a once in a lifetime talent. Basically he could be in front of a lion or grizzly bear and produce sounds that would make the animals either be very confused or turn around and run away.
Genuinely one of the coolest experiments I’ve seen. So he just has an extraordinary amount of control over his voice. Plus Will just seems like a really cool dude overall, very nice guy.
I've found that metalheads and really alt people in general are so sweet and open with people. I think it's because if the judgement and bullying Alt people get for looking different that they are extra nice to other people. Love being a part of this community:)
As a med student studying orl/ent right in this moment and a metal fan, this video couldn't come in a better moment! I will try to casually shove the topic in my orl exam discussion
More videos to your class Brandon th-cam.com/video/T3jRE2SPv-w/w-d-xo.html Enrico th-cam.com/video/8cPfF3znfgw/w-d-xo.html Chris th-cam.com/video/rWbvWEyRp28/w-d-xo.html Will th-cam.com/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Stark is incredibly passionate about her job and research and that is a lovely thing to witness, someone who truly loves what they do and follow their dreams.
All the metal vocalist around world are cheering now. We are finally getting the respect we deserve. I'm truly happy and in literally in tears. I'm genuinely happy that a researcher called it beautiful. It truly is and always will be
Will just permanently etched his name into medical books and physician's manuals everywhere. Future ENT's will be studying this video in medical school, and Will's name is literally going to appear on medical student's tests. Amazing. And can I also say, what an awesome attitude Will had to volunteer for the procedure in the first place.
With Will's personality and his vocal abilities, he truly captures what it means to be a "charismatic voice" I've watched this twice now. This video is just too good! Amazing work guys!
Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that Will Ramos makes some of the most demonic sounds, the most hellish screams and yet has the personality of a happy labrador/golden retriever puppy that's just been rescued from a shelter.
This is not rare in this category of music. Think of Alex Terrible from Slaughter to prevail. I honestly think music is really Therapie for this people.
Im a neurologist. The vocal folds and surrounding tissues twisting like that is an awesome thing to see but I was thinking all the while.....what parts of his brain are activating all those tissues? He must have very specific neuronal circuits specializing in every nuance he is able to produce. Sadly, I dont think there is any way, with the technology available, to detect and study them. Its mind boggling.....literally. Nice video!!
I was just thinking about that! Normally you'd assume that the movement would NEED to be symmetrical since it's all innervated by the same couple of nerves. Are the recurrent laryngeal nerves even capable of doing this intentionally considering it's a branch of a cranial nerve?
What would be interesting(and this is coming from a non-medical background) is maybe placing leads all over the head(EEG if I remember correctly?) and see where there’s activity during harsh vocal activity.
It’s kinda like those who do finger tuting and move their individual fingers with precision. The unconscious reinforcement your body goes through to isolate the individual muscles is amazing. What is even more amazing when you think about it is how the muscles have to tighten into the right shape but will be loose enough to vibrate correctly to get those sounds. I would love to have seen how his voice was different that if Elizabeth had done some opera vocalizations. Very fascinating.
Will Ramos, vocalist of one of the heaviest and scariest deathcore bands of the last decade. Also Will Ramos; *break dances after he gets a point in ping pong*
Amazing. The Doctor was moved emotionally by Will’s ability. There is probably massive research and studies that have been validated by just observing this guys vocal skills. Amazing not only for vocal science, but for metal music. Such a cool video.
Of course she was moved. Science is pretty vast already, and new discoveries tend to be tiny and incremental. Most PhDs will look at some tiny facet of something, dig just a tiny bit deeper into an already well-established theory of their respective fields. Do you have any idea how rare it is for a scientist to do something truly original, to lay groundwork on something that's literally never been done before? The most amazing thing about this is not what it shows - it's how many questions it creates. Interesting, unanswered, and fundamentally *new* questions. When that old guy at the end of the video said it's gonna take them years to analyze the footage and model what's going on, he wasn't joking, nor exaggerating. It is literally going to take years. There are so many roads of inquiry opening up here, there will be genuine research based on this for a long fucking time. More than a few students will work in that lab and base their master's and doctoral theses on this. All because people on the internet, just for shits and giggles, pushed an opera singer to comment on increasingly extreme metal vocals. We live in amazing times.
@@getshwiftygaming447 the guy that names himself after the most cringe, normie virgin show is here judging an actually talented person lol. "Getschwifty" hahahaha. Get laid bro.
This was shot and edited perfectly. It was part vlog and part documentary and I loved every minute of it. When scientists get excited it's a big deal, and their reactions were incredible. Really special thanks to Elizabeth and Kirk for setting this up, and to Will for graciously accepting.
Seeing Will, numbed and probed, still just casually making those almost completely inhuman sounds, and Dr. Stark with a look of sheer awe at it.... couldn't have gone better. Any time you can mix this much geeking out from both sides of art and science, it's a good day for the world.
I love how excited the doctors were while analyzing Will’s voice. They seemed super enthusiastic and appreciative of his vocal style. I’ve always been fascinated by the human voice and have never understood how some people shrug metal vocals off as “talentless,” so listening to professionals geek out over it makes me super happy. This was a fantastic video, thanks for putting it together! On top of the great content, everyone involved sounded so genuine and kind, it’s awesome to see!
@@mrmassiveunit Uhm.. all the weird highs, goblin vocals and all sorts of crazy sounding gutterals or lows were pioneered by Travis Ryan from Cattle Decapitation. He's been doing it since the late 1990s.
@@Veganerd_ that's completely irrelevant... I'm saying Enrico did the first throat cam video as he is a professional throat doctor as his career lmfao, your argument makes no sense other than you trying to flex some irrelevant knowledge lmfaoo
Even for people who aren't into heavy metal music, this really seems like a fascinating vocal experiment. I get the feeling that future voice doctors and speech pathologists will watch this video in university lectures while studying the profession.
If I was on a date with a girl and someone referred to her as the “throat goat” and she was like “ohh just an old nickname teehee” I’d tell her “pshh you obviously don’t know anything about Will Ramos”
I love the contrast between Will’s vocals and his personality. The music sounds like satan commissioned it from a few hellhounds, but Will is one of the most wholesome and kind people in the metal industry.
People don't realize that that's how a majority of the metal community is. No matter how evil the music may sound either because of lyrics or specifically sound itself, the artists are normally really laid back, goofy, or stoner, or whatever, or all of those things for some.
@@johnstewart7642 yeah, take Corpsegrinder for example. All the Cannibal Corpse songs are about death and destruction and gore and all that, then you see that video of Corpsegrinder going to target and laughing about a farting puppy toy and thinking about buying every Lego set, “especially the Lego marvel ones”
@@v0idbandofficial yeah I love that video lmao it’s what I show to people who are afraid of all of it. A lot of the time they make the music to be edgy or just to get a reaction out of people, not because they’re actual psychos or satanist and mean it.
Rock and metal vocalists are prone to vocal chord injuries, and this kind of research is super helpful. Seeing what his vocal chords are doing is so eye opening. This really explains why proper technique is so important. Bringing your vocal chords that close together, paired with that amount of air pressure, can go awry, just saying. Yes, I've injured myself in the past... Thanks for doing this, and thanks to Will for putting himself through this for science. He's an absolute legend.
Hell yeah. Thanks for sharing. I injured myself a lot at the beginning, it's funny because footage like this helped me break through. I hope this video does that for so many people
Hi, I live under a rock, I've never seen this channel or heard of this guy. This video made my heart pound and felt like I couldn't breathe. What a fantastic voice, his personality is great too. Definitely brought me back to my Mudvayne days.
The most amazing thing to me, and worthwhile to the rest of the world is how this really shows how heavy vocalists can do what they do without damage. I grew up listening to metal and lots of people overhearing it saying 'Oh they'll destroy their voice in a year or two!' and it can be done safely and with longevity. Thank you both for sharing your skills, knowledge, and personality!
I’ve been anticipating this video more than any major motion picture release in the past several years!!!! So glad you offered will the opportunity and even more so that he was willing to accept!
Thank you for this!! For those of us teaching this stuff technically, anytime we get to see a legit scope of a harsh vocalist is very valuable! A lot of his sounds are what I often call a “low fry” because they’re mostly some version of compressed/closed folds and tissues involved in the tone though it sounds deep and low to the listener. I have a theory that Phil Bozeman’s gutteral lows are created in a similar physiological manner. Thanks again for showing the world some legit harsh vocal research! 🤘👏👏👏
False cord means the vocal folds are opening more but the false folds/aryepiglottic fold are coming together and vibrating above them. So in this case I think false cord used in pretty much all his screams. In pure fry the false folds would remain open as they are not engaged and not hide the vocal folds from view, and the vocal folds would be closed more to make the distortion. Its also possible to use false cord + fry where both are closed and I think he does a lot of that. Unfortunately it would not be possible to see how constricted the vocal folds are as they are under the other tissue but you can hear the difference between fry and false cord so you can kind of tell how much closure there is in the vocal folds themselves by the sound. Its also interesting to note when you actually sing words in either there is some opening and closing of the vocal folds in both fry and false cord but I think fry is constricting the vocal folds themselves more throughout the process of singing.
Also sorry for the paragraph. I could talk about this all day because it took me two years to learn to do harsh vocals and I did tons of research and had to really understand what was happening in my throat to get why some things worked and other things didn't! I learned that I had tried breath distortion early on where everything is open and you are blowing tons of air and basically I would feel like I was hyperventilating after doing it a few minutes. Understanding some closure has to occur to hold back air in the throat, either by vocal folds or by the false folds and tissue above was key to doing death metal and black metal songs without killing myself!
@@XwoooahX Yes! Any sort of closed folds across the top of the trachea will control the release of air even in a loud sound. Open fold sounds have us running out of air quickly. We don’t necessarily have to close the false cords to do a “false cord” sound. Most of the people I teach are doing a type false cord sound with both the vocal folds and false folds in a open position. A good example would be to check out Lauren Hart’s endoscopy on TH-cam. So I think it would be nice to have two names for the sounds. One name for false cords together, one name for false cords apart.
An incredible video and I’d just like to say how completely amazing Dr Stark is for her “bedside manner” to introduce Will to the procedure and then how she managed to control a delicate camera probe a few inches away from one of the best sets of vocal chords on the planet right now without harming them. What an amazing practitioner.
Wow she is very good I had this procedure done and ended up with dysphagia is being eight months and I still can’t swallow solid food I am fortunate I learned to swallow liquids I hope one day I’ll be okay I wish this lady could examine me and tell me what went wrong thank you for such a great presentation ❤
What a sweetheart! He is not anything like I expected-good head on his shoulders, kind, respectful. This 52 year old mom has a total crush! His nativity is adorable, and he’s gonna have a long career!!! ❤️🔥😘🤩
What I love about this is for so long metal has been considered talentless noise. This just proves how intricate and beautiful and artistic it truly is. These types of vocals require as much skill and work as any soprano does. Simply amazing
I would’ve been just fine with zero respect as well personally, but the professional boost of having these artists’ careers legitimized is a big bonus If it leads to them being able to more easily sell coaching classes etc. for the general public, I’ll be ecstatic
She replied to a comment on here that she should do a collaboration with Lorna Shore with a very interesting reply. She seemed to hint something may be in the works. We have finally gone and bloody done it. We turned our sweet, innocent opera singer into a metalhead 😜😜😜
This is so sick. Lorna Shore was the last concert i went to. I'm a classically trained opera and jazz singer myself so knowing what to look for but seeing a whole new world in a screamers throat is absolutely insane
This is actually quite exciting because metal vocals have never really been scientifically explored this way and with someone this high level. Even the types of vocals are still argued about within the community. So this may really open up the skill sets into more definable and legitimate terms. Very good news for any who want to learn vocals
This. The fact that we been making up names for “mids highs pig squeals and gutturals” with no real knowledge of what those actually were. And scientists been studying all kinds of singers but not screamers. Fascinating video.
@@ITSJ0SH1 lmao jealousy, that's always the first thing people go to when they can't accept that other people don't share their opinion on what's impressive or good quality
I only just recently heard of Lorna Shore and listened to To the Hellfire and the first thought I had was hoping that he was singing in such a way that isn't damaging, and to find out it isn't is so cool!
Dude, Will is like the friendliest guy ever, he just seems so fun to hang out with. Edit: Just watched the whole way through, that was disgusting and I couldn't look away and I am absolutely gonna watch this at least four more times.
@@TheCharismaticVoice Seeing how willing Will is to find more about his craft and your itching curiosity, i have a feeling that you will get the chance to have a similar weekend in the future tackling something similar to this. :)
I just wanted to thank Elizabeth that you had the idea for this video and Will that You're just being a savage and doing it like the pro you are. I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT THIS VIDEO helped me SO MUCH with my harsh vocals. I now can do a low growl/fry scream and now Im WAY closer to doing a high pitched fry scream. THANK YOU all for the inspiration and LITERARILY insight into Wills vocals
Ok, little edit: I now know how I managed it to get to a low fry scream/growl. I watched the video again. lm having lessons in classical singing and practicing subharmonics on my own. As I saw Will doing Throat singing into Screaming I thought, wait... I can do that too and tried that. And now I finally can do harsh Vocals that i like. And to see that Will's throat is perfectly healthy is good for my worries about damaging my voice. Now after I train harsh Vocals I always sing Songs that are on the high and low limit of my voice, just to make sure everything is fine.
This is groundbreaking for all of us 'screamers'. It is absolutely so difficult to explain how we do what we do and this will give of us so much more perception of what is really happening other than, "it feels like i do this."
I love how Will just came out of nowhere a year ago, took the metal scene by storm, and is already one of the most loveable figures in the entirety of modern metal already lol
@@rustyshackleford7656 There are other voices in deathcore that can do as much and more than him, but I'm not seeing you do that so I honestly don't care what u say. Can't deny he has talent
I love how the voice of an absolute demon has the energy and excitement of the sweetest clumsiest puppy learning to walk 😂 His straight response: "spooky sounds" killed me and then the genuine excitement and curiosity about the different styles and subcategories of these horrifying monster noises was legitimately awesome 👍🏼
Seriously, he's one of the best metal vocalists of all time. Incredible job to Will and all involved. Love his willingness to do this. It was really cool to see, especially for someone like me trying to learn harsh vocals
Just fell for Lorna about two weeks ago AFTER seeing them live in the Netherlands. Knew about 5 songs before I saw their set. I had 75 min constant goosebumps and went home as a fan. Dang his live vocals are not from this world. This was great! ❤
Retired death/hardcore vocalist here. I recommend this procedure for any vocalist. I had a couple nodules and a tear in the walls of my vocal chords. Had surgery to repair the damage. Didn’t learn my lesson and was back in surgery just over a year later. Now the specialist is suggesting an annual check up to prevent further damage and surgery. Said there was a moderate chance of ruining my voice completely
Shows how stupid you were to choose deathcore vocals man. Should have learned to be an actual singer perhaps hm? Well, have fun with your throat buddy, I’m sure all that teenage pu**y was worth it eh?
I still watch this every now and then because it's a real breakthrough in practical science in the world of music and vocal talent. I love how will woke up and choose to torture himself for the greater good of music and science. 👍
When i looked up reactions to Lorna Shore i expected to watch funny reactions. But charismatic voice wasn’t scared like a lot of the vocal coaches/opera singers are when they hear metal. She was instantly fascinated by the techniques. Especially in this video when will is describing the different types of screams. She’s just so interested. I love it. I’m so happy will and her followed through with this. Edit wise, Adding his band in the background very low volume was a great little detail you added that made the video even better. I like the solo interviews mixed with you all getting to know eachother. Fantastic video and great job 10/10
It is physically impossible to exaggerate how freaking cool this video is. Unarguably one of the greatest assets to vocalists, harsh and clean alike, on TH-cam yet. That twist above the true folds at 29:14... AAAAH! Finally!!! In HD no less! And it just... kept... getting... cooler. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for doing this. Much love to you, the family, Will, and all of Lorna Shore from this Nigerian singer and metalhead! Keep breaking those barriers!
I discovered these people separately over the years (Elizabeth, Will Ramos/Lorna Shore - and Nik down in the comments) and seeing the collaboration happen between some of the most unlikely of individuals - because of their respective fields being so far apart, is incredibly wonderful to see. The respect that a deathcore metallist and a highly technically trained opera singer has for one another here can teach us all something. Thank you for your hard work, and thank you for this documentary.
The metal musician community(especially the vocalists) finally gets the respect it deserves. People finally see how much skill and talent is required when vocalists belt out those "Cookie Monster" Vocals. Yeah I hate that label too. Thanx for the video.
@@somename86 "waaah, I don't have any testosterone and all forms of aggression make me want to run home to mommy" lmao 😂 Buddy if you're a scaredy cat, just say that
That asymmetrical twisting motion he did to achieve some sounds had me so stunned and in awe. It was just a wicked thing to see. Thanks to the both of you for doing this.
As a Speech and Language Pathologist and a Metal girl, I will DEFINITELY be at the premiere!!! That will be SO ENJOYABLE to watch! 😍😍😍😍 Edit: the video is not over yet and I already need someone to lift my jaw for me 😱 Will Ramos is A UNPARALLELED BEAST!!! 🤘🏾
As a metal, Lorna Shore and of course Will Ramos fan. I found this extremely interesting. Will and Dickie Allen got me into the tunnel throat style of vocals and its interesting to see how the muscles in the throat work in order to make these guttural sounds, then using the mouth and tongue to create the tunnel effect. Its fascinating.
My jaw fell to the floor and stayed there the entire time I watched his vocal chords in action. Amazing and unreal. Thanks Will Ramos for letting us visually check out your incredible voice. Hands down one of the coolest videos I've ever seen on TH-cam ngl.
This needs to be one a series. Bring in more vocalists, record with room mics also. Then compare similar sounds to the videos of each respective vocalist. It would make an amazing data set for research.
I actually think it'd be more interesting to see more "classic" death metal vocalists like Corpsegrinder or John Tardy, to see if there's a difference in technique.
I foresee people posting this link on reactions where the person says “How does that not hurt?” for years to come. Thanks Elizabeth, Kirk, and Will for this. Will, you’re a legend!
Im posting this link in the 'Cringe" Channel on my discord. Since everyone feels the need to exploit everything. Reality tv approach to metal is disgusting.
I did a course with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe where you can learn how to create harsh vocal sounds yourself! Check it here: www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/ultimate-extreme-will-ramos
Damn, it's sad that it's $298 or something. Would have love the possibility to buy the course I want
@Vevemusic it's a small price to pay if your serious about singing professionally 🤷
I just found your channel and this was so fun to watch. Thank you Elizabeth, hubby and Friends. ❤❤❤
This was absolutely incredible. The talent of Will was already mind-blowing and the collaboration was fantastic. Please please please can we get a retake of this exact video but get the slowmo guys and their super slow motion cameras in on the collaboration I think everyone would learn from it and would be extremely entertaining!!!
Just an idea but I think you should do this with elite level beatboxers the sounds some of them make is insane and some of them have amazing inward bass there's an amazing beatboxer with the arguably the best inward bass on the planet called King Inertia and he's from the US I think it would make a brilliant video
One of the best videos I've ever seen in my life! Not only game changing for vocalists everywhere, but metal musicians and the community as a whole. THANK YOU for doing this!
Please do a vid on this
@@AndyNocturne he did it on twitch
It was amazing watching him do this. I was just speechless at some points
@@9292godsmack Yeah, but he requires you to be a paid subscriber to see it.
enrico from hideous divinity did it first years ago, and hes also got WAAAY better vocals just sayin..
Will: screaming in the doctor's office
Patients in the waiting room: 👀👀👀
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They're like... what the hell is about to happen to me? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO HIM!
Imagine being such a savage vocalist that even scientists are like okay what the fuck
I think this comment won the internet
Also they missed an awesome opportunity to call this “Operation Deepthroat”
@@Dumpsterfoot wtf dude 😂
@@Dumpsterfoot LMFAOOO
Bc normal ppl don’t yell like Thai
Will: *demon sounds from the 100th layer of Hell*
Also Will: you’re gonna see my boogies?? 🥺😩
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He got that soft spot, it’s so cute lol he screams like he just got summoned but embarrassed about someone seeing his boogies lol it’s all good
I know this made me giggle! 😅❤
Thank you to Will Ramos and Lorna Shore for donating Will's body to science.
No vocal folds were injured during the making of this film
nope, but those who listened were laid to waste :P lol
@@felicitydarhk2818 So the last thing you hear is Will... and then only The Sound of Silence remains...👂👉😵💫
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I sure as hell hope not. They need to stop prodding this guy already :D:D:D
This is gonna be one of the single most interesting things I think I'll ever watch from a reaction channel on TH-cam. Cannot wait!
Woot! It's SO GOOD Tank. I can't wait for your Tour video with Electric Callboy. ;-)
I agree. I’m a total nerd about the science stuff but to be able to see it while it is happening is awesome for sure.
Early Elizabeth : I'm not very familiar with metal!
Elizabeth now : Will Ramos, a camera and his neck... How do you create harsh vocals?
Full Metal Elizabeth
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Tank and Elizabeth are my favourite Friendship Duo on TH-cam, y'all would make a great buddy cop style show
@@joergojschaefer3521 Full Metal Elizabeth
Sounds badass!
Put it on a shirt!
Came for the throat camera insights, stayed for the airbnb cooking and hangouts documentary. What a great and fun video!
Honestly same
Now we need a DOOM-ified version of "To The Hellfire" by Lorna Shore
Hey look it's the Doom guy 🌝
Hello Geoff
100% this
"am I numb yet? are we there?"
"yeah you're there"
"HOW DO YOU KNOW?!"
lmfao that killed me for some reason
Will: *does an absolutely inhumane sound*
Also Will: "cool"
I love him he’s a goof 😂 “cool” so nonchalantly like he didn’t just do something absolutely amazing. I don’t think he realises the extent of how good he is.
Will: does an absolutely inhumane sound
Scientists/Experts (prolly not into metal): AMAZING!!!
He's not doing anything that long time death, black, doom, or symphonic metal bands have already been doing. Heck the band is not doing anything new.
Blackend death metal had been around for ages. Winds of Plauge was doing what his band is doing. The list goes on.
A number of these bands are very overrated for not breaking new ground. Meanwhile bands Fleashgod, Dark Tranquility, Mors, etc get little credit for the paths they paved.
@@evacody1249 and u got so pressed just because of my little comment lol
@@evacody1249 let them funk dude Lorna shore are amazing, metal elitists 🙄
Will speaking: adorable, chill, basically a golden retriever puppy
Will screaming: a demon straight from hell
Lol me
This comment nails it. ❤
But I love how when he's high energy and excited, his voice drops in and out of that rasp like its completely natural and second nature. Like the "that" @2:55
Agree...amazing vocals
I just listened to some of their stuff. Can't believe THAT's his real voice. I'm an old fart, so he sounds and looks like a kid to me. But I've been listening to extreme metal since the mid 90's. Pretty good stuff, makes me have hope for the new generations. By now extreme metal has developed very distinct vocal styles.
The more I watch Will, the more I like him. Dude is an absolute gem.
Unless I missed it he didn't curse a single time in this video. I found that pretty f'ing cool.
he seems super chill
I thought he was annoying and like snobby when I saw him and the way people talk him up, it he’s awesome
@@dougk359 He did a couple of times, but no biggie
He is such a lovely and funny guy who is super talented
I agree
Showed this to my wife who is a SLP in Indianapolis, a few months back. One of the largest outpatient facilities in the state had pretty much every therapist huddled around her laptop watching this just incredibly amazed. This is actually important to capture, and I hope actual research comes from this.
This is research... done by the University of Utah.
@@goofballbiscuits3647 Please update when it’s published!
got the 317 rep here lol
Will just shut down every person saying his vocals are fake. He pretty much showed flat earthers the world is round with this video. Amazing video.
He has a one take video with no layering or double vocals out with him performing Hellfire. If that's not proof enough then people are just being assholes lol
They just need to see any live videos of him
Wait... people were saying that?
@@wizardthreehats5370 as much proof as the hellfire one take is. It's still a produced and compressed recording. So some average listeners are gonna take that as trickery of some sort.
Well said
Will Ramos : *screams repetitively in the doctor's room
Other patients in the waiting room: (*chuckles) I'm in danger
I had the same thought!
Will: Noises
Lobby sitters if this was a normal doctor's office with cheap ass walls: "Wtf, is that person okay? It is a human, right?"
😂
Timestamps for individual techniques:
27:58 falsetto singing, high to low slides
29:13 pig squeal vocal fry
30:10 pig squeal false chord
30:31 pig squeals with various tones (not sure if false chord or vocal fry)
31:30 lowest to highest gutterals
32:47 tea-kettle screams
34:28 tuvan throat singing
35:10 throat singing to normal scream
36:07 closed-mouths
36:41 hell sounds (?)
37:00 pitched goblins
37:50 unpitched goblins
38:05 fry tunnels
38:38 false-chord tunnels
39:10 pitched false folds
39:41 more pitched bocals (?)
40:40 chorus of "Of The Abyss"
41:18 "nasally high high"
Good luck to all the vocalists who are studying this out there!
Mad respect to you for giving the timestamps.
Bro his throat looks like the gates to hell when he sings
The tuvan throat singing section was great, shows he has pretty decent overtone control. It's so hard to do that
@@pierresauce8307it's the very basic of falsecord screams
@@bruh-qe9ux True, but it really reinforces correct technique in my opinion. It's a great learning tool for this. Very cool!
This brought tears to my eyes. Dr. Amanda was clearly trying to hold back the emotion of the moment and focus on the science. It's incredible that you've been able to capture the moment when something truly novel was experienced. I'm so glad we all get to be a part of it.
You can literally see Dr. Amanda tearing up as she's talking at the end. Its so evident just how passionate she is about this field and how excited and overwhelmed with emotion she was to see something completely new after years in her field.
I think after this, Elizabeth needs to be featured on a Lorna Shore song using her amazing operatic skills. I think having Will doing crazy gutterals and her doing crazy power would be unlike anyone else.
;-)
@@TheCharismaticVoice is that a hint???
That would be sick. I want that song played at my funeral and I haven't even heard it yet
@@DestructionGlitter Oh I would say so! it was the mother of all hints. Consider how much they have used sampled choirs for the classical parts. Now they have access to the real deal. It would be a monumental crime not to use her.
@@TheCharismaticVoice i'll just take that as you saying "oh you wait and see!"
very inspiring to see "normal" people who don't listen to these types of vocals be in absolute awe with will. as someone who listens to this type of music, its nice to hear someone say positive things towards these type of singers. We all know that this music isn't for everyone, but to hear 2 doctors be impressed is something ill always think about. Thank you Elizabeth and the Doctors involved for bringing this to a wider group of people!
Same.. your comment almost made me cry lol its so true. Kinda stopped screaming because of the negative opinions, really hurts trying to practice a passion when you're upsetting people with it
Im absolutely not in this kind of music, but man, this is really incredible. I think is very unfair to call this just weird people screaming like a bear or a pig. I’ll never hear this for entertainment, but I have to say that they are really talented and deserve all the respect
@@Sam-uu2nx just do you, you're gonna upset people no matter what, so might as well upset them whilst doing something you love! for example, you are upsetting ME by not practicing your passion >:c live your best life king
As someone who has always thought it was crazy insane that people could do that with their voices but didn't really like that music as much or was always told it was Satan's music 🙄. This was so amazing to see. It just shows me that just because something is different or not your taste doesn't make it bad. It's just wholly and uniquely different. This mad my day to see.
I know I'm late to comment, but I getcha, I'm a metal head myself...open-mindedness is one of the best traits someone can have
Came for the vocals stayed for the cooking show
Dawww, thank you!
@kirkmccune7944 I loved when you showed Will the stainless steel sink trick for garlicky hands. I've been doing that for years. 😆
@kirkmccune7944 is this episode zero of the charismatic cook? Because I’m in for it.
Will is a human golden retriever. What a genuine, sincere, all around friendly demon.
Lmao that was so well put 😂
As the great Nik Nocturnal once said, "He's like a golden retriever summoning Cthulhu"
🤣🤣🤣🤣@@rotemeliaz
😂😂 the end of this comment ‘demon’
😂 i love me some friendly demon
I can hardly believe how it started with a simple TH-cam Reaction Channel and how you have now, with the help of Will, managed to contribute a milestone in this field of research. Your video is so well done and interesting and entertaining at the same time, but still has that seriousness and professional approach. Really admirable. Thank you Will, thank you Elizabeth and thank you Kirk!
Thank you, Benedict! This is where I wanted all the effort of TCV to eventually go. To science!
I think the thing I love most about this video, is the constant use of the word "talent". For so long this type of vocalisation has been demonized by the majority. Will Ramos is fucking talented and hearing that from scientists is amazing. Absolute game changing video!
Amen and all the mic drops.
I'm not the biggest on death metal screaming, but that was fascinating. And Will, what a cool dude. Thanks for giving us a different kind of show.
He isn't a death metal vocalist he's a deathcore vocalist
@@koblefraSame techniques though some different like pig squeals but overall very similar.I mean back in the days Deathcore was a mix of death metal and hardcore .
@@koblefra no, he is drifter
what I learned today:
- some truly groundbreaking findings on the anatomy of extreme vocals
- scrub hands against stainless steel to remove garlic odor
I use stainless steel grater for maximum effect
@@onearthonelegion efficient
LOL you too?
@@onearthonelegion life hack - dlc + ultra edition
Works for onion too........
Definitely a unicorn. Amazing that this video exists! CRAZY movement of his epiglottic fold!! This was so incredibly cool.
Will you use this to educate your students?
YAY! Next time, you gotta be there with us. :-)
@@TheCharismaticVoice - Tatiana is in the US (in LA, I believe), do you think you could convince her to do a similar thing before they go on tour? Maybe you can uncover the "secret" to her harsh vocals. 🙂
The rest of the band was given a special permission by the ukrainian Ministry of Culture to leave the country and be musical embassadors for the ukrainian cause abroad, so they should be reunited soon.
@@module79l28 i'm gonna see Jinjer live in spain at the end of this month in a festival! i was so scared that they finally won't come but finally they are coming!
@@module79l28 She and her husband Alex left week ago. Alex had his first festival Friday night in Germany. Sat night Brussels
The Charismatic Voice, the channel that pushes the boundaries of vocal science and education. Thanks Elizabeth for bringing this to us and for Will Ramos being such a good sport to go through this.
He's definitely a once in a lifetime talent. Basically he could be in front of a lion or grizzly bear and produce sounds that would make the animals either be very confused or turn around and run away.
🐻BÄR/ LÖWE 🦁=😳
WENN SIE SCHREIEND DAVON LAUFEN, WIE KLEINE MÄDCHEN!!!!!!!!!😱😭AHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
You might be thinking of Alex Terrible.
It would be fun to watch how a walrus reacts to him 😂
He sucks
@@RandomActsOfRandom big fan of both of them
Genuinely one of the coolest experiments I’ve seen. So he just has an extraordinary amount of control over his voice. Plus Will just seems like a really cool dude overall, very nice guy.
Yo you here too
Good to see you here man
DUDE WHY AM I SEEING YOUR COMMENTS ON EVERY VIDEO I WATCH?!?!?!
@@randallradke1279 that's his thing, he goes around commening on videos
@@pavlemilatic3900 but like the videos I’m watching vary so much, I don’t get how we have the same taste
"metal is satanic devil music"
*will ramos running up to hug someone he's never met before and immediately complimenting their house*
One of the reasons I'm into metal is because metal heads are so lovely 😊
I've found that metalheads and really alt people in general are so sweet and open with people. I think it's because if the judgement and bullying Alt people get for looking different that they are extra nice to other people. Love being a part of this community:)
Pretty sure Elizabeth got an AirBNB for this episode with Will visiting, but you're right, he is quite humble and friendly nonetheless.
LMAOOOOOO
Literally is satanic lmao
As a med student studying orl/ent right in this moment and a metal fan, this video couldn't come in a better moment! I will try to casually shove the topic in my orl exam discussion
Awesome! Thank you. You have no idea how impactful this video will be for your class!
👌🏻
More videos to your class
Brandon th-cam.com/video/T3jRE2SPv-w/w-d-xo.html
Enrico th-cam.com/video/8cPfF3znfgw/w-d-xo.html
Chris th-cam.com/video/rWbvWEyRp28/w-d-xo.html
Will th-cam.com/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/w-d-xo.html
Dr. Stark is incredibly passionate about her job and research and that is a lovely thing to witness, someone who truly loves what they do and follow their dreams.
Will Ramos is the Keanu Reeves of the Metal Community. Everybody loves him. Such a wholesome and humble human being
🙄
@@evacody1249 What kid?
So epic and wholesome my wife and her boyfriend love it
Fucking wack comparison
For real like he’s just a sweetheart.
All the metal vocalist around world are cheering now. We are finally getting the respect we deserve. I'm truly happy and in literally in tears. I'm genuinely happy that a researcher called it beautiful. It truly is and always will be
Chill bro why are you crying
Finally indeed, metal has been looked passed for too long
@@pungentzeus why do u care 😭😭
It absolutely is beautiful 👌🏼
Big homie Youre crying? Cmon lets not be so dramatic
Will just permanently etched his name into medical books and physician's manuals everywhere. Future ENT's will be studying this video in medical school, and Will's name is literally going to appear on medical student's tests. Amazing. And can I also say, what an awesome attitude Will had to volunteer for the procedure in the first place.
We really hope so.
Future vocal scientists studying Lorna Shore - To the Hellfire yes!
Yup. Beat me to it.
This is done all of the time to evaluate vocal cords. The procedure is no big deal at all.
@Tyler Clark that's not what he ment tho. It's about how specific and outstanding his vocals and technique are.
Might wanna think before you type 🤡
Man I feel like I'm watching an old MTV series. The way it was put together gives me that feeling.
Will seems like such a nice guy. He deserves everything he has going for him
total puppy dog energy, hes so bubbbly you want to cuddle him
@@bigfrankfraser1391 pretty gay there " Big Frank " 🤣🤣
@@gizzy2403 and?
@@gizzy2403 so?
@@gizzy2403 hell yeah! I stan Big Frank.
With Will's personality and his vocal abilities, he truly captures what it means to be a "charismatic voice" I've watched this twice now. This video is just too good! Amazing work guys!
Tom had the same vibe which is why it felt off with CJ and it felt so right with Will
his personality is pretty dope
Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that Will Ramos makes some of the most demonic sounds, the most hellish screams and yet has the personality of a happy labrador/golden retriever puppy that's just been rescued from a shelter.
This is not rare in this category of music. Think of Alex Terrible from Slaughter to prevail.
I honestly think music is really Therapie for this people.
Why is everybody making the exact same comparison with the golden retriever? is this an ongoing comparison I just haven’t heard of or something?
@@2dopesick yes
That’s most metal heads
Lol Dani filth says that's cute kid
Elizabeth’s face while Will is describing his techniques with immense curiosity not sure what she’s signing up for it’s me all over 🤣
Will is literally a kid living his dream. Nicest most humblest guy ever.
Geeking out hard here. This was absolutely amazing to watch from top to bottom! Just amazing to witness. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!- Phil
So happy you’re geeking out about this too! Have you ever taken a gander inside your own larynx, Phil?
@@TheCharismaticVoice Not with that amount of detail and observation!! Would love to get the chance to get that done at some point 😎
@@SmallTownTitans (Evil laugh) Thank you for volunteering! 🤘🏼🤘🏼❤️🔥🤘🏼🤘🏼
He kind of just did. . .
@@TheCharismaticVoice This should ABSOLUTELY be a series.
This is AMAZING knowledge. I love your channel, truly groundbreaking. Thank you for the great content!
Let's see your vocal chords too!
@@jdestrada6281 I was about to say; He’s next. Lol
ANDY WE LOVE YOUUUU 😭😭😭😭❤❤❤❤❤
YOUR NEXT HEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHE
yes, Andy next!
Will is the cutest baby ever! He must be protected at all cost! I love him so much!
Im a neurologist. The vocal folds and surrounding tissues twisting like that is an awesome thing to see but I was thinking all the while.....what parts of his brain are activating all those tissues? He must have very specific neuronal circuits specializing in every nuance he is able to produce. Sadly, I dont think there is any way, with the technology available, to detect and study them. Its mind boggling.....literally. Nice video!!
I was just thinking about that! Normally you'd assume that the movement would NEED to be symmetrical since it's all innervated by the same couple of nerves. Are the recurrent laryngeal nerves even capable of doing this intentionally considering it's a branch of a cranial nerve?
What would be interesting(and this is coming from a non-medical background) is maybe placing leads all over the head(EEG if I remember correctly?) and see where there’s activity during harsh vocal activity.
It takes years of programming your CNS to go outside it’s normal bounds. It’s mostly mental imo.
Practice practice practice. Lol
It’s kinda like those who do finger tuting and move their individual fingers with precision. The unconscious reinforcement your body goes through to isolate the individual muscles is amazing. What is even more amazing when you think about it is how the muscles have to tighten into the right shape but will be loose enough to vibrate correctly to get those sounds. I would love to have seen how his voice was different that if Elizabeth had done some opera vocalizations. Very fascinating.
Will Ramos, vocalist of one of the heaviest and scariest deathcore bands of the last decade.
Also Will Ramos; *break dances after he gets a point in ping pong*
Infant Annihilator
Heavy vocalists in a nutshell 9 out of ten times!
@@mannyblackstar he reminds me a lot of Dickie Allen from Infant Annihilator, similar style
Amazing. The Doctor was moved emotionally by Will’s ability. There is probably massive research and studies that have been validated by just observing this guys vocal skills. Amazing not only for vocal science, but for metal music. Such a cool video.
Of course she was moved. Science is pretty vast already, and new discoveries tend to be tiny and incremental. Most PhDs will look at some tiny facet of something, dig just a tiny bit deeper into an already well-established theory of their respective fields. Do you have any idea how rare it is for a scientist to do something truly original, to lay groundwork on something that's literally never been done before?
The most amazing thing about this is not what it shows - it's how many questions it creates. Interesting, unanswered, and fundamentally *new* questions. When that old guy at the end of the video said it's gonna take them years to analyze the footage and model what's going on, he wasn't joking, nor exaggerating. It is literally going to take years. There are so many roads of inquiry opening up here, there will be genuine research based on this for a long fucking time. More than a few students will work in that lab and base their master's and doctoral theses on this. All because people on the internet, just for shits and giggles, pushed an opera singer to comment on increasingly extreme metal vocals.
We live in amazing times.
@@SpaceMarshalGyorni you could say the same about music. It's hard to do something new that actually sounds good!
Will has no skills
@@getshwiftygaming447 the guy that names himself after the most cringe, normie virgin show is here judging an actually talented person lol.
"Getschwifty" hahahaha. Get laid bro.
What I love about metal/death artists is how nice they are. I absolutely love it
This was shot and edited perfectly. It was part vlog and part documentary and I loved every minute of it. When scientists get excited it's a big deal, and their reactions were incredible. Really special thanks to Elizabeth and Kirk for setting this up, and to Will for graciously accepting.
I kind of thought of it like the jersey shore from the take away interview cuts.
Seeing Will, numbed and probed, still just casually making those almost completely inhuman sounds, and Dr. Stark with a look of sheer awe at it.... couldn't have gone better. Any time you can mix this much geeking out from both sides of art and science, it's a good day for the world.
I love how excited the doctors were while analyzing Will’s voice. They seemed super enthusiastic and appreciative of his vocal style. I’ve always been fascinated by the human voice and have never understood how some people shrug metal vocals off as “talentless,” so listening to professionals geek out over it makes me super happy.
This was a fantastic video, thanks for putting it together! On top of the great content, everyone involved sounded so genuine and kind, it’s awesome to see!
Imagine your vocals are so insane, that even Scientists be like "da fug he is doing?!"
Two decades ago they did the exact same thing with Steven Tyler and was over the moon about his rocking voice... 😄
his vocals suck lol, go check out enrico from hideous divinity he did it first lol
Just say "fuck" 😂 "fug" is somehow worse
@@mrmassiveunit Uhm.. all the weird highs, goblin vocals and all sorts of crazy sounding gutterals or lows were pioneered by Travis Ryan from Cattle Decapitation. He's been doing it since the late 1990s.
@@Veganerd_ that's completely irrelevant... I'm saying Enrico did the first throat cam video as he is a professional throat doctor as his career lmfao, your argument makes no sense other than you trying to flex some irrelevant knowledge lmfaoo
Even for people who aren't into heavy metal music, this really seems like a fascinating vocal experiment. I get the feeling that future voice doctors and speech pathologists will watch this video in university lectures while studying the profession.
So technically, TECHNICALLY.... Does this make Will the throat goat?
He's probably my favorite human in metal. Love how kind he is. Great video!
AYOOOO 😳😳😳
@@yugiohlegend I'm sorry!
"Throat goat" sounds like it should be a product that needs to be lubricated before use . . .
@@nigeldepledge3790 S P I C Y
If I was on a date with a girl and someone referred to her as the “throat goat” and she was like “ohh just an old nickname teehee”
I’d tell her “pshh you obviously don’t know anything about Will Ramos”
I love the contrast between Will’s vocals and his personality. The music sounds like satan commissioned it from a few hellhounds, but Will is one of the most wholesome and kind people in the metal industry.
He's utterly adorable oh my goodness
Ikr!!! I just know bout him couple of hours, but he is already absolute cute!!
People don't realize that that's how a majority of the metal community is. No matter how evil the music may sound either because of lyrics or specifically sound itself, the artists are normally really laid back, goofy, or stoner, or whatever, or all of those things for some.
@@johnstewart7642 yeah, take Corpsegrinder for example. All the Cannibal Corpse songs are about death and destruction and gore and all that, then you see that video of Corpsegrinder going to target and laughing about a farting puppy toy and thinking about buying every Lego set, “especially the Lego marvel ones”
@@v0idbandofficial yeah I love that video lmao it’s what I show to people who are afraid of all of it. A lot of the time they make the music to be edgy or just to get a reaction out of people, not because they’re actual psychos or satanist and mean it.
Totally shocked they didn't just see a demon sitting in a lawn chair when they scoped...
Drinking a martini with a little umbrella!
💀💀💀
Lmfaoooo
😆😆😆😆
wearing a Hawai'ian sunglasses, reading a magazine and sipping a piña colada
The heavy screams just because he was excited about ping-pong killed me- the man is the human version of a pitbull puppy
Rock and metal vocalists are prone to vocal chord injuries, and this kind of research is super helpful. Seeing what his vocal chords are doing is so eye opening. This really explains why proper technique is so important. Bringing your vocal chords that close together, paired with that amount of air pressure, can go awry, just saying. Yes, I've injured myself in the past...
Thanks for doing this, and thanks to Will for putting himself through this for science. He's an absolute legend.
Hell yeah. Thanks for sharing. I injured myself a lot at the beginning, it's funny because footage like this helped me break through. I hope this video does that for so many people
Hi, I live under a rock, I've never seen this channel or heard of this guy. This video made my heart pound and felt like I couldn't breathe. What a fantastic voice, his personality is great too. Definitely brought me back to my Mudvayne days.
Welcome to the best channel on You Tube. Elizabeth's knowledge of music and voice is astounding.
You better still be listening to Mudvayne!!
Mudvayne is love, Mudvayne is life
Mudvayne lol
The most amazing thing to me, and worthwhile to the rest of the world is how this really shows how heavy vocalists can do what they do without damage. I grew up listening to metal and lots of people overhearing it saying 'Oh they'll destroy their voice in a year or two!' and it can be done safely and with longevity. Thank you both for sharing your skills, knowledge, and personality!
It is one thing to use harsh vocals all the time. It is another to be able to switch from harsh to clean vocals.
My 15 year old, who is just about COMPLETELY deaf, heard that tea kettle scream through my headphones!!
I think my sleeping child is hearing it in his sleep because every time he does it he rolls lol
They may be deaf but they still can feel the vibrations within their ears. Its hard and wierd to describe
I'll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.
@@based8223Their ears can feel those vibrations sherlock. Now give me my $500
I’ve been anticipating this video more than any major motion picture release in the past several years!!!!
So glad you offered will the opportunity and even more so that he was willing to accept!
It's the length of a short motion picture at just under an hour!
@@TheCharismaticVoice I'm making popcorn and getting my snacks list made now for this video.
Thank you for this!! For those of us teaching this stuff technically, anytime we get to see a legit scope of a harsh vocalist is very valuable! A lot of his sounds are what I often call a “low fry” because they’re mostly some version of compressed/closed folds and tissues involved in the tone though it sounds deep and low to the listener. I have a theory that Phil Bozeman’s gutteral lows are created in a similar physiological manner. Thanks again for showing the world some legit harsh vocal research! 🤘👏👏👏
Absolutely, Mary! Glad you loved the content, and I am sure after this there's going to be more vocalists and more scoping to come!
@@TheCharismaticVoice looking forward to it! 🤗
False cord means the vocal folds are opening more but the false folds/aryepiglottic fold are coming together and vibrating above them. So in this case I think false cord used in pretty much all his screams. In pure fry the false folds would remain open as they are not engaged and not hide the vocal folds from view, and the vocal folds would be closed more to make the distortion. Its also possible to use false cord + fry where both are closed and I think he does a lot of that. Unfortunately it would not be possible to see how constricted the vocal folds are as they are under the other tissue but you can hear the difference between fry and false cord so you can kind of tell how much closure there is in the vocal folds themselves by the sound. Its also interesting to note when you actually sing words in either there is some opening and closing of the vocal folds in both fry and false cord but I think fry is constricting the vocal folds themselves more throughout the process of singing.
Also sorry for the paragraph. I could talk about this all day because it took me two years to learn to do harsh vocals and I did tons of research and had to really understand what was happening in my throat to get why some things worked and other things didn't! I learned that I had tried breath distortion early on where everything is open and you are blowing tons of air and basically I would feel like I was hyperventilating after doing it a few minutes. Understanding some closure has to occur to hold back air in the throat, either by vocal folds or by the false folds and tissue above was key to doing death metal and black metal songs without killing myself!
@@XwoooahX Yes! Any sort of closed folds across the top of the trachea will control the release of air even in a loud sound. Open fold sounds have us running out of air quickly. We don’t necessarily have to close the false cords to do a “false cord” sound. Most of the people I teach are doing a type false cord sound with both the vocal folds and false folds in a open position. A good example would be to check out Lauren Hart’s endoscopy on TH-cam. So I think it would be nice to have two names for the sounds. One name for false cords together, one name for false cords apart.
An incredible video and I’d just like to say how completely amazing Dr Stark is for her “bedside manner” to introduce Will to the procedure and then how she managed to control a delicate camera probe a few inches away from one of the best sets of vocal chords on the planet right now without harming them. What an amazing practitioner.
Amanda truly is amazing at her craft.
Wow she is very good I had this procedure done and ended up with dysphagia is being eight months and I still can’t swallow solid food I am fortunate I learned to swallow liquids I hope one day I’ll be okay I wish this lady could examine me and tell me what went wrong thank you for such a great presentation ❤
What a sweetheart! He is not anything like I expected-good head on his shoulders, kind, respectful. This 52 year old mom has a total crush! His nativity is adorable, and he’s gonna have a long career!!! ❤️🔥😘🤩
That’s how most of the metal community is. 🙂 Glad he managed to reach you!
What I love about this is for so long metal has been considered talentless noise. This just proves how intricate and beautiful and artistic it truly is. These types of vocals require as much skill and work as any soprano does. Simply amazing
Ha ha bit much
Nearly anyone can learn to sing normally, not this, only a handful are able to produce this sounds
This made me cry. It's amazing to see metal vocalists finally getting the recognition and respect we've been wanting from the music industry
What lol…
@@MrFloat777 What kid?
Authentic metalheads don't give a shit what other people think.
@@DavidGarcia-ef8kg Authentic metalheads are just people, bro
I would’ve been just fine with zero respect as well personally, but the professional boost of having these artists’ careers legitimized is a big bonus
If it leads to them being able to more easily sell coaching classes etc. for the general public, I’ll be ecstatic
Will is so bloody charming, I'm so glad this weird friendship between Opera Singer and Deathcore Vocalist exists.
She replied to a comment on here that she should do a collaboration with Lorna Shore with a very interesting reply. She seemed to hint something may be in the works. We have finally gone and bloody done it. We turned our sweet, innocent opera singer into a metalhead 😜😜😜
This is so sick. Lorna Shore was the last concert i went to. I'm a classically trained opera and jazz singer myself so knowing what to look for but seeing a whole new world in a screamers throat is absolutely insane
This is actually quite exciting because metal vocals have never really been scientifically explored this way and with someone this high level. Even the types of vocals are still argued about within the community. So this may really open up the skill sets into more definable and legitimate terms. Very good news for any who want to learn vocals
This. The fact that we been making up names for “mids highs pig squeals and gutturals” with no real knowledge of what those actually were. And scientists been studying all kinds of singers but not screamers. Fascinating video.
It would if Will had talent or was special but he's doesn't and he's not
@@getshwiftygaming447 i sense jealousy
@@ITSJ0SH1 lmao jealousy, that's always the first thing people go to when they can't accept that other people don't share their opinion on what's impressive or good quality
@@getshwiftygaming447 or its just not called for in context. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant 🤷♂️
Big year this year is. New Tool fan is born, camera down throat, groundbreaking data,....so stoked and so proud of you and Kirk doing what you do.
Thank you, Kelly! And. . . our baby boy loves Opeth too. Kirk feeds him so much prog!
@@TheCharismaticVoice now he needs Heilung and he's good to go.
@@Kelly_Cook Don't forget Wardruna
Will be seeing Heilung live for the first time next week this time, JINJER too. Would be cool if they could do this with Tatiana too.
@@TheCharismaticVoice gotta start ‘‘em young
the fact that she said his throat looked healthy and within normal parameters is INSANE!
I only just recently heard of Lorna Shore and listened to To the Hellfire and the first thought I had was hoping that he was singing in such a way that isn't damaging, and to find out it isn't is so cool!
He definitely has a fluid range for sure. I always wondered what certain death metal leads throats look like.
Why is that insane? Harsh vocals won't damage anything if you have the correct technique.
@@exurosanctus yes, but not many people actually know that.
Tbh once you learn how to do gutturals correctly you can do it without any damage or hoarseness whatsoever. It's such a paradox, but it's true. Lol
29:08 fry pig
30:09 false chord pig
31:29 ガテラル
33:19 ？？？high
36:07 closed-mouths
36:59 pitch Goblin
37:50 Goblin
38:04 tunnel
38:36 false chord
39:09 pitch scream
39:42 ？？？
40:41 To the Hellfire
41:17 high high screech
44:51 comment
33:19 would be Tea Kettle Scream
Imagine being so good at vocals that you're better than 90% of the other guys even with a camera jammed down your throat...
For real. I kind of want Alex Terrible to do this now. lol
@@guyknightley3499 Same, Will seems to do mostly fry screams, I'd be interested in seeing what false cord looks like.
I would like your comment but there are 666 likes and I don't want to ruin it.
@@zynosgd9982670 now, go ahead
Dude, Will is like the friendliest guy ever, he just seems so fun to hang out with.
Edit: Just watched the whole way through, that was disgusting and I couldn't look away and I am absolutely gonna watch this at least four more times.
This, this is going to be fun.
Thank you Elizabeth for arranging this, and Will for being a good sport and being willing to go through this.
Will was the best of sports. I wish I could relive this weekend a few more times. It was amazing!
@@TheCharismaticVoice Seeing how willing Will is to find more about his craft and your itching curiosity, i have a feeling that you will get the chance to have a similar weekend in the future tackling something similar to this. :)
will is one of the most charismatic and fun artists i’ve ever met, being with him must be fun and enjoyable at all times.
i really hope he gets to keep some of the footage- if it were me i would 100% be throwing that into a music video
I thought the same thing! Definitely some good music video footage here!!
@@69420Lare you kidding? of course it is!
Looks like the ending scene of Incantation lmao
I just wanted to thank Elizabeth that you had the idea for this video and Will that You're just being a savage and doing it like the pro you are. I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT THIS VIDEO helped me SO MUCH with my harsh vocals. I now can do a low growl/fry scream and now Im WAY closer to doing a high pitched fry scream.
THANK YOU all for the inspiration and LITERARILY insight into Wills vocals
Ok, little edit: I now know how I managed it to get to a low fry scream/growl. I watched the video again. lm having lessons in classical singing and practicing subharmonics on my own. As I saw Will doing Throat singing into Screaming I thought, wait... I can do that too and tried that. And now I finally can do harsh Vocals that i like. And to see that Will's throat is perfectly healthy is good for my worries about damaging my voice. Now after I train harsh Vocals I always sing Songs that are on the high and low limit of my voice, just to make sure everything is fine.
Hey how can you do a low growl?
@@Sunset_feels414 Kardavox Academy has a nice Video about it. he describes it better then I ever could.
i love him singing, definitively my favourite metal vocalist, and seeing him in person just added to my enjoying
He looks like he would sing like Justin Bieber or that horrible mumble rap auto tune crap.
@@HeadNtheClouds but he doesn’t tho
This is groundbreaking for all of us 'screamers'. It is absolutely so difficult to explain how we do what we do and this will give of us so much more perception of what is really happening other than, "it feels like i do this."
I love how Will just came out of nowhere a year ago, took the metal scene by storm, and is already one of the most loveable figures in the entirety of modern metal already lol
He blew up, but he's been around!!
He's overrated af
@@rustyshackleford7656 then do better
@@rustyshackleford7656 There are other voices in deathcore that can do as much and more than him, but I'm not seeing you do that so I honestly don't care what u say. Can't deny he has talent
Some of the best extreme vocals I've heard lately is Filip Danielsson from humanity's last breath.
I love how the voice of an absolute demon has the energy and excitement of the sweetest clumsiest puppy learning to walk 😂
His straight response: "spooky sounds" killed me and then the genuine excitement and curiosity about the different styles and subcategories of these horrifying monster noises was legitimately awesome 👍🏼
His voice is average for the a subpar off shoot of better genres lol
@@justaguyonyoutube so edgy
Seriously, he's one of the best metal vocalists of all time. Incredible job to Will and all involved. Love his willingness to do this. It was really cool to see, especially for someone like me trying to learn harsh vocals
Just fell for Lorna about two weeks ago AFTER seeing them live in the Netherlands.
Knew about 5 songs before I saw their set. I had 75 min constant goosebumps and went home as a fan.
Dang his live vocals are not from this world.
This was great! ❤
Opera singer and Viking husband take their son to the doctor, c. 2022.
I love that he agreed to this.
I thought the same thing😂
Retired death/hardcore vocalist here. I recommend this procedure for any vocalist. I had a couple nodules and a tear in the walls of my vocal chords. Had surgery to repair the damage. Didn’t learn my lesson and was back in surgery just over a year later. Now the specialist is suggesting an annual check up to prevent further damage and surgery. Said there was a moderate chance of ruining my voice completely
Shows how stupid you were to choose deathcore vocals man. Should have learned to be an actual singer perhaps hm? Well, have fun with your throat buddy, I’m sure all that teenage pu**y was worth it eh?
I wish you speedy recovery.
Will is so humble he's literally like "idk I just do this but if y'all wanta study it that's cool"
And all the scientists are ASTONISHED
I still watch this every now and then because it's a real breakthrough in practical science in the world of music and vocal talent. I love how will woke up and choose to torture himself for the greater good of music and science. 👍
When i looked up reactions to Lorna Shore i expected to watch funny reactions. But charismatic voice wasn’t scared like a lot of the vocal coaches/opera singers are when they hear metal. She was instantly fascinated by the techniques. Especially in this video when will is describing the different types of screams. She’s just so interested. I love it. I’m so happy will and her followed through with this. Edit wise, Adding his band in the background very low volume was a great little detail you added that made the video even better. I like the solo interviews mixed with you all getting to know eachother. Fantastic video and great job 10/10
She was definitely scared the first time she heard that breakdown lol. Watch it again.
It is physically impossible to exaggerate how freaking cool this video is. Unarguably one of the greatest assets to vocalists, harsh and clean alike, on TH-cam yet. That twist above the true folds at 29:14... AAAAH! Finally!!! In HD no less! And it just... kept... getting... cooler. Thank you so much, Elizabeth, for doing this. Much love to you, the family, Will, and all of Lorna Shore from this Nigerian singer and metalhead! Keep breaking those barriers!
Unsurprisingly, his internals looks as brutal as they sound.
Incredible video.
I discovered these people separately over the years (Elizabeth, Will Ramos/Lorna Shore - and Nik down in the comments) and seeing the collaboration happen between some of the most unlikely of individuals - because of their respective fields being so far apart, is incredibly wonderful to see. The respect that a deathcore metallist and a highly technically trained opera singer has for one another here can teach us all something.
Thank you for your hard work, and thank you for this documentary.
The metal musician community(especially the vocalists) finally gets the respect it deserves. People finally see how much skill and talent is required when vocalists belt out those "Cookie Monster" Vocals. Yeah I hate that label too. Thanx for the video.
In some ways, the human voice the most difficult instrument to master, because it requires internal skill of the anatomy. Truly impressive.
And yet it sounds like shit and has nothing to do with music, it's the equivalent of construction work noise.
@@somename86 Why are you here bro lmao, literally out here proving the point
@@somename86 small brain take
@@somename86 "waaah, I don't have any testosterone and all forms of aggression make me want to run home to mommy" lmao 😂
Buddy if you're a scaredy cat, just say that
That asymmetrical twisting motion he did to achieve some sounds had me so stunned and in awe. It was just a wicked thing to see. Thanks to the both of you for doing this.
As a Speech and Language Pathologist and a Metal girl, I will DEFINITELY be at the premiere!!! That will be SO ENJOYABLE to watch! 😍😍😍😍
Edit: the video is not over yet and I already need someone to lift my jaw for me 😱 Will Ramos is A UNPARALLELED BEAST!!! 🤘🏾
As a metal, Lorna Shore and of course Will Ramos fan. I found this extremely interesting. Will and Dickie Allen got me into the tunnel throat style of vocals and its interesting to see how the muscles in the throat work in order to make these guttural sounds, then using the mouth and tongue to create the tunnel effect. Its fascinating.
My jaw fell to the floor and stayed there the entire time I watched his vocal chords in action. Amazing and unreal. Thanks Will Ramos for letting us visually check out your incredible voice. Hands down one of the coolest videos I've ever seen on TH-cam ngl.
This needs to be one a series. Bring in more vocalists, record with room mics also. Then compare similar sounds to the videos of each respective vocalist. It would make an amazing data set for research.
I agree with this. They should get Fred Nylist or Guillaume Vilenueve on here. They have the most insane whistle screams.
I agree. I'd love to see Antti Boman from Demilich, the guy from Gutalax, and the demonic presence inside Eli Wendler's larynx
I actually think it'd be more interesting to see more "classic" death metal vocalists like Corpsegrinder or John Tardy, to see if there's a difference in technique.
All of the above, yes!
I foresee people posting this link on reactions where the person says “How does that not hurt?” for years to come. Thanks Elizabeth, Kirk, and Will for this. Will, you’re a legend!
Im posting this link in the 'Cringe" Channel on my discord.
Since everyone feels the need to exploit everything.
Reality tv approach to metal is disgusting.
@@Prof.Pwnalot You must be fun at parties.
@@Prof.Pwnalot Reality TV has useless drama.
This is more like a TED talk.
@@Prof.Pwnalot L + ratio
@@Prof.Pwnalot rEaLiTy tV aPpRoAcH tO MeTaL iS DiGuStInG