I love this video because it shows how you know how many millimeters you’re being threaded onto them! That gauge is perfect. I also like your length cutter jig!!
Thank you so much, my original spoke measures 295mm and i ordered new spokes but it turned out they are 298mm so how can i solve this, I’m thinking i cut and re-thread the spoke again, Note: they are already thread before. So what should i do? Thank you!!
Tricky situation! You probably need to shorten the spokes to protect the tube. Cutting off 3mm might be easiest by grinding, perhaps using a bench grinder, or cut off with a cutting disc in an angle grinder with the spoke held in some sort of jig to cut against. I would recommend chamfering the end after shortening to remove the burr. You might be able to make the wheel with the shortened spokes with the shortened original thread, but you can only find out by making the wheel! It is fine to roll the thread longer using a spoke threader if you have one, it will follow the existing thread. Good luck!
1 Can you really make a thread in 1 go? I was advised to do in in 2 stages with the nut a quarter of a cycle tightened. 2 I was also told that with stainless steel spokes I will ruin my rolling pins because stainless steel is too tough. Can you answer or confirm this?
Hello Roland, 1. yes, the Hozan rolls a thread in one pass, and 2. is designed for stainless steel spokes. You can find a manual for this unit at www.hozan.co.jp/cycle_e/catalog/wheel/C-700.html It’s important not to mess with the big nut on the roller head, unless you are carefully adjusting the thread diameter. Once it’s right you don’t change it unless there is a problem. My personal view is that there is an unjustified bias toward stainless spokes. Gal steel spokes work very well, are very strong, and last for decades. Their main problem is that people leave their bikes out in the rain for years and then they rust. Stainless spokes are expensive, harder to thread, and cheap ones (sometimes on fairly expensive bikes) often get brittle and spontaneously break.
@@BruceTeakle That is great to hear Bruce! and thanks for answering me :) The manual confirms that stainless steel spokes can be threaded. I like that very much. But I have got Cyclo Tools roller heads 12, 13, 14. They were less expensive. Maybe that is the reason. Do you think Cyclo Tools heads can be used to thread stainless steel spokes? And here where I live I can buy a used Hozan rolling pin for an affordable price with which I could process stainless steel spokes then. And the packaging shows C-918 but I can't find it anywhere of the Hozan site or on the web. Do you know what size that is?
@@rolandberendonck3900 Hi Roland, I don't know what the C-918 is. I presume it's a rolling head? As far as I know, all the common spoke threads are the same pitch, so 13, 14 and 15 gauge spokes have the same thread profile, just different diameter. I've adjusted and used an old 14g Hozan roller head to roll 13g spokes, tho this is not advised by Hozan. So there is some scope for bush engineering different heads onto a spoke machine.
@@BruceTeakle Thank you Bruce :) I mailed Cyclo Tools with the same question. There was nothing on their site and productinfo whereas Hozan clearly stated that stainless steel spokes can be threaded with their rolling heads. I am very glad that you did this video and are willing to take questions. This topic is very rare on TH-cam. It is a pitty because I love it to build my own wheels with the use of my own spoke rolling tool. But I must admit that it was also a necessity because I mostly use 20 inch wheels on my folding bikes :) And yes a Hozan C-918 is a rolling head but I can't find any information or specs on the web. I guess it is a 13G rolling head.
@@rolandberendonck3900 That’s right, it’s hard to find so much basic information, amongst the gazillion pages and videos. Most of my videos and blog posts are to explain things I searched but couldn’t find good info for. It’s so important for the backyard bike workshop to be able to cut and thread spokes, especially when you’re making unusual wheels like (as you say) small wheels (I do most of my riding on 20” wheels), or wheels with hub motors or hub gears. There are millions of good, well-tested spokes going to waste in old wheels, that can be cut and laced into new wheels. The Hozan spoke machines are cheap, reliable and can be made new with a new roller head. We also have a Kowa spoke machine that’s very fast, but has also caused us a lot of grief and cost. Good luck with your bike work!
I love this video because it shows how you know how many millimeters you’re being threaded onto them! That gauge is perfect. I also like your length cutter jig!!
you video has helped me in my work, thanks :o)
Well done. Some great ideas shared 👍🙂
Thanks much learned something new.
excellent something new learnt
Very instructive and well made
Another great video! Thanks!
Thank you so much, my original spoke measures 295mm and i ordered new spokes but it turned out they are 298mm so how can i solve this, I’m thinking i cut and re-thread the spoke again, Note: they are already thread before.
So what should i do?
Thank you!!
Tricky situation! You probably need to shorten the spokes to protect the tube. Cutting off 3mm might be easiest by grinding, perhaps using a bench grinder, or cut off with a cutting disc in an angle grinder with the spoke held in some sort of jig to cut against. I would recommend chamfering the end after shortening to remove the burr. You might be able to make the wheel with the shortened spokes with the shortened original thread, but you can only find out by making the wheel! It is fine to roll the thread longer using a spoke threader if you have one, it will follow the existing thread. Good luck!
@@BruceTeakle Thank you so much, it’s worth a try and will see how it goes, thank you!!
1 Can you really make a thread in 1 go? I was advised to do in in 2 stages with the nut a quarter of a cycle tightened.
2 I was also told that with stainless steel spokes I will ruin my rolling pins because stainless steel is too tough.
Can you answer or confirm this?
Hello Roland, 1. yes, the Hozan rolls a thread in one pass, and 2. is designed for stainless steel spokes. You can find a manual for this unit at www.hozan.co.jp/cycle_e/catalog/wheel/C-700.html
It’s important not to mess with the big nut on the roller head, unless you are carefully adjusting the thread diameter. Once it’s right you don’t change it unless there is a problem.
My personal view is that there is an unjustified bias toward stainless spokes. Gal steel spokes work very well, are very strong, and last for decades. Their main problem is that people leave their bikes out in the rain for years and then they rust. Stainless spokes are expensive, harder to thread, and cheap ones (sometimes on fairly expensive bikes) often get brittle and spontaneously break.
@@BruceTeakle That is great to hear Bruce! and thanks for answering me :) The manual confirms that stainless steel spokes can be threaded. I like that very much. But I have got Cyclo Tools roller heads 12, 13, 14. They were less expensive. Maybe that is the reason. Do you think Cyclo Tools heads can be used to thread stainless steel spokes? And here where I live I can buy a used Hozan rolling pin for an affordable price with which I could process stainless steel spokes then. And the packaging shows C-918 but I can't find it anywhere of the Hozan site or on the web. Do you know what size that is?
@@rolandberendonck3900 Hi Roland, I don't know what the C-918 is. I presume it's a rolling head? As far as I know, all the common spoke threads are the same pitch, so 13, 14 and 15 gauge spokes have the same thread profile, just different diameter. I've adjusted and used an old 14g Hozan roller head to roll 13g spokes, tho this is not advised by Hozan. So there is some scope for bush engineering different heads onto a spoke machine.
@@BruceTeakle Thank you Bruce :) I mailed Cyclo Tools with the same question. There was nothing on their site and productinfo whereas Hozan clearly stated that stainless steel spokes can be threaded with their rolling heads. I am very glad that you did this video and are willing to take questions. This topic is very rare on TH-cam. It is a pitty because I love it to build my own wheels with the use of my own spoke rolling tool. But I must admit that it was also a necessity because I mostly use 20 inch wheels on my folding bikes :) And yes a Hozan C-918 is a rolling head but I can't find any information or specs on the web. I guess it is a 13G rolling head.
@@rolandberendonck3900 That’s right, it’s hard to find so much basic information, amongst the gazillion pages and videos. Most of my videos and blog posts are to explain things I searched but couldn’t find good info for.
It’s so important for the backyard bike workshop to be able to cut and thread spokes, especially when you’re making unusual wheels like (as you say) small wheels (I do most of my riding on 20” wheels), or wheels with hub motors or hub gears. There are millions of good, well-tested spokes going to waste in old wheels, that can be cut and laced into new wheels. The Hozan spoke machines are cheap, reliable and can be made new with a new roller head. We also have a Kowa spoke machine that’s very fast, but has also caused us a lot of grief and cost.
Good luck with your bike work!