KK2 Setup video - Tricopter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2014
- A simplified KK2 setup video for the Tricopter V3
More info: rcexplorer.se/blog/2014/12/kk2...
Content:
00:18 - Hooking up the KK2 board
01:34 - 3 wire hookup
02:12 - Powering the KK2 board
03:00 - Hooking up the KK2 MINI
06:00 - Receiver test menu
08:45 - Loading a motor layout
10:15 - Reversing the Servo - increasing frame-rate
11:40 - MPU6050 setup
12:47 - ACC calibration
14:00 - Misc settings
16:00 - Stick scaling
17:20 - PI menu
17:46 - Recommended PI values
18:00 - Tuning your PI gains
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Thank you for your friendly explanation.
I bought the KK board for the first time last week.
I made a tri-copter with a KK board.
I did not know how to set it up a lot.
Finally, the gas you made and the gas you made were similar, so I applied your PID value as it is.
Today's flight was surprisingly stable.
I really like it.
Thank you once again for your teaching.
Thank you David for producing this video. I've been FPV flying a scratch built tri of your design for a couple of years now and mainly just fly in stabilize mode simply because I'd never really gotten it dialed in adequately under acro mode. I will revisit my KK2 settings again now with the help of your tutorial. Thanks again!
I finally sat down and followed this video, the end was awesome for helping tune my copter! I haven't flown any medium to large multirotors in manual mode, no stability. Now my tricopter flies nicely in manual mode and thanks to David's help with the KK2 board. I am in love with flying these things again!
Thank you, David! This is by far the most informative and comprehensive fc setup video I've seen yet.
I have a much older version but was still able to get in the air on the first attempt thanks to your instructions around channel testing. I have spectrum and 2 channels were reversed and subtrim dial in was great. Now i just have to figure out my version of the gyro calibration and it should be great. Been sitting for 6 years, bought at swap meet and never knew exactly how to get it going. Big thanks, subbed.
Thank you, I have been flying my tricopter for a year and this helped get some of the kinks out!
Beautiful resource! I just built my own variation of your v.1 tricopter (over on the flitetest channel). It had it's maiden flight yesterday and flew phenomenally! :D This video is golden at explaining the different functions of the board. Thanks! I'll have it flying perfectly in no time.
David once again you came through for us avid watches of your bids, the kk2 board has had me head scratch ing for a while now cos I'm new to the hobby. Hopefully I will now be able to connect it all together, so many thanks..
Hi David, it is good to see you back, thanks for all the info on the KK2 mini board.
Thanks very much for doing this video David. I've done a lot of reading and watching videos to get a KK2.1 setup and you've very thoroughly summed up days of reading in one video.
Thank you very much! This video was very helpful for me setting up my first tricopter. Once I flashed my KK2 board to the latest KK2V1_1V19S1Pro firmware, I was able to select the settings that you show in the video. Flew great right off, I will tweak it as necessary. THANKS AGAIN!
thanks David some much better than what I've seen on the web so far. everyone seems to be into quads but I still like my tricopter cheers mate from Australia
David, really appreciate your time doing this for us. Very helpful mate, cheers!
Greetings from Canada! Thanks for the video David, I find your explanations easier to understand than others and very entertaining. Keep your enthusiasm, it is highly contagious and will spread the hobby like wildfire.
Wonderful Setup Video. Extremely thorough. Thank You so much for posting this video. This will be so helpful when I finish building my 2.6 which I am currently getting back to now that its cold outside and I have time to. Thank You for taking time from your busy schedule to make a great tool to get the Tricopter in the air with confidence.
Good video David, it is nice to see someone use one of the lesser known firmwares on the KK2 board.
Thanks David, this was very clear. Flight Test is not the same anymore since the time you left...
My tricopter is on the bench- getting ready to begin assembly.
Hope to get it done before the snow so I can get some killer video on those cold and calm days when the air is thin and the sky is clear.
Thanks David, I had a problem with the tail of my tricopter, it wasn't stopping on a dime. Now I lowered the servo filter to 30 and its much better. I have a digital servo. Thanks cheers.
I use KK2.0 and mini KK2.1 but I learnt a lot new things watching this video. Thank you.
he does a great job telling you what to do and why. i allways go to this vedio when i making a tricopter,
Thanks for sharing David. I just assembled a Turnigy Talon Tricopter and this was invaluable information.
Thanks, this is also how I connected it to my X8R. Today was my first time flying a tricopter. So good.
Thanks for this video! My tricopter has never flown as well as it does with your suggested settings! I was going to by a different flight controller because the throttle control was such a pain in the ass to keep the tricopter at one altitude, but your settings fixed the problem.
Thanks David, you answered a lot of questions I had about the mini board. From looking at the regular board to the mini board I thought I messed up on the right flight control board. Also being a newbie I place all my trust in your experience as a RC pilot. Your videos are informative (flite test and your chanel RC Explorers). Thanks and keep us informed on your projects. Oh yeah I might have questions for you if I can't figure them out.
Thank you David! You are the main reason I built a tricopter and got into FPV and it is awesome. Greetings from Poland! P.S.: You should make more videos :)
I reflashed my board with the most up to date KK2.1 V1.9 Updated Firmware. It fly's great! thanks for all of your advice. I know this sounds crazy but in manual/ acro mode I lifted it right up with your third recommendation setting (toward the end of the video) and was surprised. Also if you can't get your board to flash and your running windows 8 google how to change your advanced setting in your computer/ laptop and it will allow it to flash with the right driver and firmware/ flashtool. Pickup the new 1.9 it's awesome.
Brilliant, professionally made video.This has been a great help.Thanks
Brilliant info and very well communicated. I have watched plenty of videos on PID tuning but this is two thumbs up!👍 👍 Thankyou. I am just building my first Tri-copter with a KK2 I'll follow it to the letter😊
great vid. Im using this tutorial for my zmr 250 build. you have all the good info in a great clean video. great lighting great audio great camera angles.
i dint know what i wouldve done without this video thank u so much david super helpful
Very helpful. Thanks.
Best explanation of the P and I settings, ever.
Thank you for your incredibly clear explanation of the KK2 board. Now I can feel good about purchasing one. FliteTest hasn't been the same without you. Thank you.
Thank you, David, it's good to hear your voice again, FT is not the same since you left.
I watched this although I am not yet into copters (fixed wings here ;-).
May sound weird, but I really like the way you are explaining things...
Hi David, I love DIY tricopter because of all your work in Tricopter fields, even in the TV show that is Great! For this tutoral I realize that tow things missing in this video when I followed your steps.
1, didn't mention that " setting the throttle limit on the ESCs after receiver test done "
2, also forget to remain that "turn off self level " when tuning PI gain outdoor!
I hope this can help people in future~
Thx again, David!
Very nice David.
I might even have a go,at it seems pretty straight forward when you're doing it.
At least this way we can use you as a reference. Thank you.
It was also great to see you in England earlier this year.
Suffolk is truly a magical place, especially when I am in it. Have fun
I'm just glad the ESC beep is back!
Great video David, I can't remember seeing a better KK2 Programming video. The only thing that was left out that I would have included was ESC calibration.
This was very helpful. Thank you David!
Thanks David. Nice clear video with good advice.
Definitely a video on the naze32 would be awesome! Or even the CC3D. Great video for the KK. Will help me with my next build for sure.
this was a really interesting video. One which goes through each setting and says what it does in real terms. It solved one problem on my quad straight off! Thanks, you've helped me - well worth watching.
Good video David.
Looking forward to the one for the Naze32
Keep up the good work
I was going to say the same thing... you beat me to it. I have built tricopters with the naze before- but they were not designed for the finesse that this rig is- so I want David's opinions and counsel based on his experiences, as well as others before getting to tuning.
My experience has shown that the yaw PID and settings on the naze need to be tamed down dramatically. Stock PID's will be close for this size craft, but that yaw has me worried. Most Naze boards like to wobble the servo on default settings and need to be dropped on the derivative by almost half.
David, loving your video`s on here, this one is a great help as i am building a Titus 600 Tri with KK2 board, keep up the superb work
Just one thing, would you be able to advise on P and i settings with 600 frame and 720k v motors 11" props
Great video David as always :- )
Love the mountain man look
Thank you for this. Iv'e been waiting for just this
Thanks for the great video David. Very helpful.
cool video David. thank your for sharing. learn something new too. never thought of the end point part.
i have been waiting for this vid for ages thank you.
Great video :)
Love the transitions !
... perfect and useful introduction! :-) Thanks David!
Thank you for full kk2 board setup infirmation. :)
Thanks for sharing David! Great video!
thank you for an easy to understand P I gains I've got a KK board on a 450 quad but its always jittering around hopefully dial it in a little smoother now!
Best KK video I have seen
Awesome video, not sure what I missed the first time setting everything up but after resetting up everything following the video we have success again....one side note tho, Im using a futaba analog servo and still need to set the yaw to -100 (I believe Ive read and seen everywhere that digital=-100 and analog=100) if I leave it in the positive range it just spins out. Everythings on the up and up now tho. Thanks again for the superb video and walk thru on building a Tricopter
Rock solid their david awesome vid for the kk2
Great Video David! I wish there was something like this for the CC3D board.
Seeing the beard was a shock!! I didn't expect it at all, but I hope all is well over in Sweden
David, as usual, great stuff.
Just some notes for builders out there.
kk2 mini when in ppm mode - remember that ppm signal must go on the Aile channel.
that is the 4th from the bottom of kk2 mini. the mini does not have the 3 sets of pins for receiver input and it is easy to get caught up in just 1 x 3wire cable.
also, David touched on it. there are 2 power rails for the motor/esc output side.
m1 for kk2 board power.
m2 + for servo and other power.
I have found some servo's do not like the kk2 mini board. hk939mg for example. No setting will stop it jittering but a naze or cc3d does not have the issue.
You can also set the self level drift to ensure it remains stationery(if you prefer self level mode). Painless does a good explanation of this.
I found the ..19... steveis firmware a problem, dropped back to ...18 pro,,, and all is great. you also get same models as davids video.
Apparently there is a version of the firmware with the equivalent of Naze's Horizon mode.
From the few boards I have tried, the kk2 is for me the most stable and predictable board in the air.
anyways that's my 2c.
Great info David it's so much help the way you explain things. Thanks so much mate and Greetings from OZ. Have a Safe Xmas.
Thanks for the video David.
Hi David, thank you for the great vedio! You tought a lot to us players! Waiting for your update!
Very useful thanks so much I've now got my tricopter flying
For the first time
as always a great video. "I highly recommend"-David Windestal
thanks David, very useful tips :)
Just a quick tip for those who may be experiencing the spinning problem with tricopters (like me !). On the flitetest forum I found the tip “..it may be necessary to set the rudder to -100 in the mixing editor”. That worked for me. It may however also be necessary to reverse the orientation of the rudder in your transmitter as well to eradicate this problem.
Yep been fighting this problem for the last few days . I made a tricopter 8 years ago, out of wood . And here I am with the same board doing it again and today was the day I figured this out going thru the menu . Just have to get the wobble out of auto level and that's down to too much vibration . Gummies already shipped. I have a programmer but the KK board flash tool won't recognize the USBASB.
@@joshsimmons8178 I built a V-tail quadcopter out of wood using the KK2 board, and it flies really well, except for it wobbling when it comes out of a turn. If you know the cause, I would be grateful to hear about it ! 👍
Dude! Love the TF cutscene!
Nicely explained, thanks.
Great !! Can't wait for my airframe. And post more build vids
Excellent video David! I still love my KK2. Now I'm gonna have to dust off my X900 and do some fpv 😃
Very nice video. It helps a lot
I was struggling with inversing the yaw, i made it and it worked great ! So great that i even lost the tricopter, OMG that things is so much better that a quadcopter, i m looking for an other kk board !
Good Job David!
Thank you David for this usefull video.
nice job david!
Good video David. I'll be setting up a simplecopter with this video this weekend. Wanting to try fpv on tri and see if I like it better than with quad as I totally love the look of your mini-tri kit and will order if I decided I like the feel of the tri-copter better than the quad for fpv.
Thank you David! I've been using the KK on my tricopters since I saw yours and had to build one last spring! I've had to figure a lot of this out on my own but I still learned a few things. Looking forward to a Naze32 setup vid?? :-)
Simple and Awesome!!!
mycket användbar video, tack
thank you David
the best KK2 setup video i have seen so far. especially the wiring tricks.
can you tel us from were do you get the KK2 mini.
don't stop the good work
Micha
I have some tech questions and need assistance in regards to where the Rudder output (yaw) needs to go...I have an open rudder port on my copter and I am using the KK2.1 HC flight controller.
I have everything set up on the FC as far as I know via your video. Some of the options you have on the KK2.0 is not available on the KK2.1 HC..I think they streamlined programming for this version, like the bubble, it is NOT within this firmware out of the box.
I have the Dragon Fly setup from Flite Test with the Tough Tilt yaw servo. This servo is connected to my Spektrum AR9020's RUDDER port and I have all ESC's including the Tough Tilts mounted flight motor ESC running to the corresponding M-ports on the KK2.1HC FC, and all are in order and plugged in according to the FC setup for Tricopter in the firmware that is displayed on the LCD with help from your walk through on this video.
Things I have tried for trouble shooting so far really are limited next to actual connection issues, but everything is where it needs to be and I get all the standby tones when the board is in menu mode etc; so far I have bound using both 11ms and 22ms, as well as DSM2 and DSMX (I'm a Spektrum/Horizon user) with no motor response from the copter once I have all parameters put into the FC and loaded. I do get a message on the board and it displays Warning or something along the lines of "No Yaw Input detected"...and that makes sense, since there is not input plugged in on the FC for the RUDDER channel...I only have an ESC to plug into M4 port on the FC (my set up and where the esc is recognized) and then I have the Tough Tilt servo plugged into my Spektrum RX for its communication and actuation.
My limited experience is still telling me that I know we need to put something into the RUDDER port of the FC to have it recognized by it, but as I said I only have an ESC to plug into one side of the FC and then the Tough Tilt servo to plug into the RX, so where does the RUDDER port on the FC get connected to?
My next attempt was to use an non-amplified Y harness (Cant amplify with Spektrum RX's-for reasons they give but I don't go too much in depth beyond that they say don't) to run a servo connector from the FC RUDDER channel to one end of the Y and then run the other servo connector from the RX to the remaining port of the Y connector; issue here though my limited experience is telling me, is that I'll have servo signal going into one side of the Y, and then have the board output for RUDDER going into the other...which would simply just satisfy the issue of the FC not having anything connected to the the RUDDER port and RUDDER port on the the RX at the same time...I look at it and it only solves the issue of having a port that is not plugged into a anything...the two may be split but one is for out signal from the FC that will Y into the Tough Tilt servo; one is ESC/FC related and the other is a stand alone simple actuating servo....this is where I am stumped.
I need some help with how this Dragon Fly is supposed to be set up in my configuration...They Tough Tilt is throwing the wrench a little here..but it could be another factor possibly...See below.
Now, I did have to run a Castle Creations (CC BEC 10amp 4.9-9v) from one of my ESC's since my 30A Spider ESC's DO NOT HAVE BEC's. I spliced the CCBEC into my M1 port on my KK2.1 for proper 5v signal (The kk2.1 requires signal to go to M1 port, and it was taken by M1 ESC, so I had to tap the connector for M1 so I could have signal where it was needed AND have 5v to power or give that signal in that port per KK2.1 HC instructions).
Further, I also have that BEC split into the BATT terminal of my RX, so the BEC runs the RX and the FC so one is not dependent on the other when both are plugged in getting power. So the BEC is spliced and split two (2) ways from the battery, one into the M1 port and the other into the BATT port on my RX. One thing that does happen is that if I unplug one or the other I still have power to one of them due to the BEC being split and the FC and RX being connected. So I don't know if this could be the issue possibly as well? I spliced and split the BEC due to me thinking I wasn't getting power to the RX due to no lighting of any LEDS; I learned that there is only a single orange LED on my RX and that won't come on and stay steady, as well as with the satellite telemetry receivers unless I BIND it first...so once I split the BEC I discovered I really didn't need to because once the bind plug was plugged in I was showing power. I separated the BEC from the RX and kept it on the FC M1 for signal and sure enough it turned on and went into bind mode, so the RX was being jumped from 5v supplied by the the BEC from the ESC; I kept the BEC plugged in the way it is thinking now I will have constant power to each one when they are both plugged in from the BEC, my limited experience says that's not necessarily a bad thing...that it kind of works out better especially with the telemetry satellite receivers taking a little more amp draw anyways, I was also told that it wasn't a bad idea and probably worked out for the best accidentally LOL. Lots of that in the hobby world I think? LOL.
Sorry so long...just need some help...
ANYONE HELP lol
Ross
Thanks David.. great tutorial....
I've been flying one of your design tricopters for some time now and this new board is great.. once I got it set up.
You ever use carbon fiber arrow shafts for the arms?
They seem inexpensive, light and durable..
Good to see you
Hi, thanks for another great video. I've actually got a 250 quad, having a little trouble with altitude (first kk board), find that when I roll etc I have to overly compensate the throttle to prevent the quad from dropping to the ground. Any tips?
Ok David. For a month i have been flying my scratchbuilt 585mm tricopter on a trusty KK2 board with lots of success... The tail however had a bit more wobble than is should have. I watched almost every tricopter setup and build you have done and decided to switch to Naze32 to get the Tail Tune function ti hopefully smooth out that wobble. Removed the KK and wired and programmed the Naze32 with Triflight. First off. It wont fly... Wont get off the ground with out the spin of death and the Tail servos (same ones that worked fine with the KK2) keep getting so hot that they burn out and one has even magic smoked... Not even in flight either. Just during the tail tune and leveling... The servos are not too tight, the servo isnt binding, they are fresh out of the box brand new emax 9g metal servos.
I would like to stay with the superior Triflight programming but cant afford to keep burning servos and not flying...
What am i doing wrong? What could the Naze be doing wrong since if i put the KK back on the tricopter it lifts off and controls fine and the servos stays ice cold...
Also one other note. Even after tail tune when i go to arm, the Tail mech tips to the right. And wont control left past the center point. It stays completely right, in normal operation and with a servo tester the servo is centered and has fluid motion both ways.
Help Me Please as I am attending one of my first Fly events in a week and would like it flying well!
bien david !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gran video !!!!
very good video!!!!
I'll check it out. Thanks.
Thank you David!
Great video! ;)
Will there be a second one for updating the board? I am still flying with the stock firmware that came with the KK2.1. It works buts is there propably any possibility to increase the resolution a little bit with a new firmware? Or are there other benefits to it?
Hi David!
Lately people start using the Naze32 Acro instead of the KK2 board. I would be really interested to see you try it out and give us your opinion how it performs compared to the KK2, I'd even buy it for you if that's an issue.
Keep up the good work!
Nice video Dave. I have the older kk2.0 what causes the tricopter yaw to want to snap back from where I moved it from? It does this from left or right. Everything else is perfect.
Ur the man david
Excellent video - when you got the time a similar video for a quad setup (or maybe just an extension of this) would be very appreciated :-)
Should I use X or + - and why ?
thanks david that was the clearest explanation I have seen yet and I have seen ALOT.
I have a question I want to reflash my hk 30A esc with simon k I have the usb connector just not sure how to connect it to the esc, I remember in one of your videos you made one with some old balance plug clothes peg and hot glue. cheers Mark
Thanks for the video, David! Always entertaining!! I too would like a Naze 32 setup video... Hint Hint..
I have a Tri that the servo oscillates like mad!! I now know that the Rudder P setting is too high. AND I know how to adjust it!! Thanks!!!
Muryl
Hi David, this is probably old school for you now but I have a question and I hope you still receive the notifications in order to answer. I watched your video intently. Thank god I found this too, by the way, cause I have a KK2 mini board and I am, or was confused as hell about how to connect up all the wiring. When you connect the 3-pin servo lead into the receiver, sideways, you're only connecting the signal wires - correct? (ie: that's why they go in sideways thru the top pins on the receiver.) So you have connected the rudder, elevator and ailerson signal wires coming off the KK2 mini board that has the single line of pins on the left side. So in other words, the wiring color is irrelevant because each wire is being inserted into the signal pins only on the receiver. (Correct?)
Now, with your throttle wire connection into the receiver, why do you connect this lead in standard formation using all three wires? Is it still possible to connect only the signal wire into the throttle, so that you have a one wire (signal) going into the throttle on channel 3 and the other end going into the KK2 mini board, leaving the +ve and -ve wires out of it. Or is this needed to power the receiver, and that's why it's done this way? If I get this wrong or mix it up, do I blow anything (flight board or receiver?)
Thanks and I anxiously look forward to your reply and additional assistance. Your vids are very informative. Cheers
Great explanation of the PI settings. Is the "bridge across the signal pins" trick meant to work on a Spektrum receiver? Even matching and double checking the pin-outs, my tricopter wouldn't fly. I resorted back to using the mess of 5 jumper cables.
can you do a vid for setting up spectrum
also what is your channel 5 for