POSTURE & BODY ANATOMY COMPARISON! PACO DE LUCÍA & VICENTE AMIGO.
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In this video, I am talking about the posture, (the three most common sitting positions for playing flamenco guitar), and I talk and compare the body anatomy (the arms) of 2 guitar legends Paco de Lucía and Vicente Amigo.
Video Contents: 👇
1- Intro Falseta "La Villa Vieja" del Maestro: (00:00 - 2:17)
2- Sitting Position One (Crossing Leg): (2:17 - 4:14)
3- Sitting Position Two (Foot Stool): (4:14 - 5:08)
4- Sitting Position Three (Traditional): (5:08 - 7:15)
5- Common Point (Stability): (7:15 - 8:54)
6- Body Anatomy (Paco's Arms): (8:54 - 12:17)
7- Body Anatomy (Vicente's Arms): (12:17 - 13:34)
8- Body Height/Chair Height: (13:34 - 15:05)
9- Video Outro (With Demonstration of the Three Sitting Positions): (15:05 - 16:06)
When I first started to analyse my hand and try to compare and "match" it with Paco, I noticed that there are just many things that I felt are just impossible to copy, even just simply placing the arm on the guitar, I found so much difficulty to get it like him. Copying Vicente's posture I was totally ok with it, which got so confused and wondered for a very long time, "why is that?".
We, (or most of us I guess), just get so amazed by Paco's hand and fingers and the way they move, it gets all of our attention right? Until I noticed one day, "Oh my god.. Look at his arms!" It changed the way I see Paco's technique, I noticed it's just useless to try to copy, as his body is completely different it will never work for me personally exactly the way it did for him, (because I'm not Paco!).
In this video, I explain and show you with pictures what I'm talking about exactly, (It's nothing special, but it's just something we need to keep in mind!).
I hope this information helps and give you a better understanding on how to approach the technique in guitar, as it greatly did to me.
Thank you for watching and I'll see you next time,
Warmest Regards,
Luciano
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Video Contents: 👇
1- Intro Falseta "La Villa Vieja" del Maestro: (00:00 - 2:17)
2- Sitting Position One (Crossing Leg): (2:17 - 4:14)
3- Sitting Position Two (Foot Stool): (4:14 - 5:08)
4- Sitting Position Three (Traditional): (5:08 - 7:15)
5- Common Point (Stability): (7:15 - 8:54)
6- Body Anatomy (Paco's Arms): (8:54 - 12:17)
7- Body Anatomy (Vicente's Arms): (12:17 - 13:34)
8- Body Height/Chair Height: (13:34 - 15:05)
9- Video Outro (With demonstration of the Three Sitting Positions): (15:05 - 16:06)
I hope this information helps and give you a better understanding on how to approach the technique in guitar, as it greatly did to me.
Thank you for watching and I'll see you next time,
Warmest Regards,
Luciano
For all other tall people here, I'm 1.93m, with long arms and torso. And when I started playing flamenco about 11 years ago, I copied the cross-legged posture of Paco. I had tried the traditional flamenco posture sporadically before but always abandoned, as I thought it makes picados, arpeggios.. etc harder. But about 2 years ago I started seriously practicing playing in it, and I had a break through....
My experience is that it's all an illusion, after sticking with it for a few months, my body adapted to the traditional posture which I now find superior in every possible way. I can now play things like Guajiras de Lucia and Plaza Alta no problem...
And of course, you don't get lower back pain and your legs don't fall asleep, you can hear your instrument better and get better feed back and also the back of the guitar vibrates better, switching right hand positions between thumb techniques and finger style techniques becomes more intuitive, your left hand moves easier along the neck when the neck is that higher, and overall I find that one becomes more emotionally connected to the guitar in the traditional posture.
I think Juan Martin was spot on when he said in his book, and I'm paraphrasing, that (even if you don't end up playing in it all the time), mastering the traditional posture is a must for any flamenco player.
Great video Luciano as always! The high of the chair also was mentioned in the tech rider list of Paco when he was on stage.The requirement high of the chair for him was 46-47 cm, no more, no less. So really important thing as you mentioned too :)
It's unbelievable how you cover all the topics that are so important and with such an understanding and ability to explain and teach them with such a clarity! Thank you!
I was just these days struggling with posture as I understood that I'm not having good one and this cleared alot now! My arm has big distance from shoulder to elbow and from elbow to wrist, but you made it so clear and now I understand my own anatomy better! Thank you brother, perfect lessons!
Thank you Josip, very happy that the video helped! I'm glad!
Super informative video about a topic I have wondered abot for many years, but never found any useful knowledge. Gracias Luciano !!!
Brilliant Luciano, thank you for this lesson
Not everyones anatomy or guitars are the same, therefore sometimes what is "good" technique for me may actually be "bad" technique for you. 🙏 Thank you for this Luciano!
Saludos!
I don't know how but it's the perfect timing for me getting these videos from you thus I've been trying to play flamenco since last few months and I'm getting the very important foundation blocks from a maestro😁
Thanks for the guidance and support you're providing internationally to us❤️
Really I'm very lucky to have TH-cam and such a generous guy teaching the techniques correctly and saving our years of finding the proper flavour of sound. It's really inspiring towards the journey😄
Hey Abid, thanks for watching, I am very happy that the videos I'm uploading are helping you in any way.
I'll try to cover more subjects with time, I appreciate your trust in me.
Have a great day!
Luciano
@@LucianoGhosn Again Thanks a lot man!❤️
Very interesting and helpful video... Thank you so much
so beautiful!!! Thanks for the advice....
Thank you so much for this 💖
Por Dios que bonito...que bien te suena la guitarra Luciano...que bonito tocas👏👏👏
Abrazo fuerte desde Cádiz 😘
Muchas gracias Victor! Es la Lester hecha de Caramelo jajaja
Ub abrazo!
Great topic, I abandoned trying to copy Paco's postures and arm position, because I too am like Vicente... thinner and longer arms.
That has always been my main problem with guitar, the posture.
As a tall guy, 1,93 m, i have to take off my arm even for some arpegios and rasgeado.
So now i m playing crossing the other leg , and i m more balanced , less twisted...
Paco revolutionazed the guitare crossing his right leg, now it s my turn !! Ah ah 👹👹👹
Good lesson Maestro, thanks.
It's harder for tall people right? But maybe this grants us also larger hands? Haha
Time for the revolution!
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn very true.
Luciano, do you give private lesson on Skype?
If yes, what are your prices ?
Keep on grooving, Master...
Oleee good subject, I hope you can do a tutorial of Villa vieja, much appreciated Luciano
Very interesting movie. Gracias 😊
Bravo🎉
Gracias! I thought every time about posture, trying to understand, why I feel so uncomfortable when I try to sit like Paco, and now I know why and what to do)
My dear boy ! You play beautiful ❤️
Muy buen video Luciano !!! Si es muy importante la posición 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Brilliant advice on an issue most of us would almost never consider!!! Thanks for sharing your insightful tips!!! Brilliant!!!
You're welcome Yiannis, thank you for watching!
Cheers!
Greaaaaaaat Love you long time ago❤️
Maestro! I enjoy your tutorials, you're detailed playing and your topics a lot.
Ole
I'm glad you do Esmail, happy to know that! I'll try to keep them coming for as long as I can.
Cheers!
I really appreciate you sharing these great insights accounting for how each person is built differently. Very helpful Luciano. Well done!!
Thank you Corcoran, glad it was helpful, thanks for watching.
Cheers!
I appreciate how much work you put into your videos, thank you very much
Than you for watching and for your appreciation Ghaly!
Thank you very much 👍
Very very useful information..
Would you please make a video about finger nails (lengths, shape.....etc).
If u have time of course
Again, thank you
Thank you dude👍 Warm cheers😊
very nice explain !!!
very important subject !
and very well explained and made clear , great job brother !
Thanks Alyamo! Glad you liked it!
Hello! depends on your back, how you are built, you can develop big problems on a long way to play legs crossed. Make sure to strech often and feel if your back is doing ok. So i bought a pad to put on my leg (any leg) and play without problem. The pad also prevents to use a footstand which can unbalanced your back and shoulders on a long period of time. I guess i was'nt naturally built to play guitar and i play all day long. This way i dont feel any pressure anywhere. I also use it (pad) for practicing electric guitar without a strap cause i started to have neck problems years ago. When i started to use the pad, all problems went away. I thought of saying cause i had a few little problems that prevent me to play like the flamenco positions. Even as a kid i had problem to have a good position at classical.
Thankyou for all your advice and information you share with us maestro it's so helpful really 🙏
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it.
Cheers!
Solea sounded exactly like I was listening to Paco’s CD!
I have listened to this Solea from Paco like a million times, it's definitely my all-time favourite Solea ever really, no doubt! Maybe that's why? Haha
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn me too! Luzia was the first flamenco album back in the day!
it's amazing what harmonies are in there, the detail
Amigo, one of the best videos around and on a topic that I have always wondered why nobody teaches. And really precioso sonido flamenco el tuyo! I am a vocalist from Granada, though I also play guitar. one thing I think I do not do right is the right-hand position (I create too much angle on the wrist, like a crane). Could you do a tutorial about it or can I take a lesson about that with you. Abrazos desde NYC
Perfecto increíble cómo consigues esa profunfundizar increíble la quiero
Thank you so much for all this effort maestro! You are amazing as always and tremendously helpful to many people. I always use crossed leg and I got many times numb leg during performances.. I would say in all performances I was not playing classical with the classical position. This video was a joy to watch! Jeronimo Maya who is also VERY tall uses a crossed leg but not so much close to the ankle but closer to the knee to manage less leg tension, numbness and optimum height of the guitar. It has helped me a lot with shorter chairs.
Anyway.. Muchas Gracias por todo maestro! Salud y un abrazo fuerte!
Thank you for watching as always Andreas! I didn't know Jeronimo Maya is tall!
I also do that by the way, I keep the knee closer, it feels more comfortable for me, Paco used to put the ankle closer, it's another thing which I didn't mention in this video about Paco's body, but he had also pretty short legs, he can control way easier don't you agree? His anatomy was just perfect for guitar really from head to toe..
Un abrazo!
I love to see you playing ...!
Thank you!
Best interpretation for Villa vieja so far.. Luciano would it be possible to have a full tutorial for this ? Abrazos.
Fantastic , well done👍👍
Thanks Vito!
Muy muy muy buenooo! Gracias Luciano!!!!!!!!!
Muchas gracias Luca!!
the best!!! good job
Thank you Haitam!
Another great informative video Luciano keep em coming. I found the the arm comparison very interesting my arms are the same as Pacos but I have a wide palm but short fingers so picado for me doesn’t work like pacos keeping the thumb in facing down and the palm flat I have to have a slight arch and thumb out and that feels comfortable to me
I’ve also found having short fingers when carrying out abanico I cannot get the power as much as someone with long fingers
Final word I’m loving these videos and again the intro piece amazing loving the use of those chords
No problem Chris, thanks for watching! Don't worry about copying Paco's thumb, only do it if it makes you feel comfortable really, if not, then leave it just like Vicente does as well.
Glad you're enjoying the videos!
Cheers!
Excellent! Maestro Luciano 👌❤️
Thank you Azzou!
Thanks Luciano, very interesting indeed!
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Thank you very much Luciano for making this video, I was waiting for it ❤️ this is the BEST FLAMENCO CHANNEL I’VE EVER SEEN ( I mean it), I never saw this analyzing in other channel before! you are a Maestro!!! ❤️
Thank you so much Josuee! I'm so happy to hear that, I'll try to do more!
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn I sent u something in private Facebook messenger hope u could see it when ur free
@@josueeilde466 Alright I'll check it as right away.
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn thank u
Pearls, my friend... Also, hilarious annotations. :P
Thank you man! Just added some stuff for fun this time to see what happens.. Lol
Hai superato te stesso ,le due posture a confronto 👏👏👏👏
Having the guitar at an angle is difficult for picado unless you have very short arms. Your elbow is closer to the body meaning you can hold it without effort easier. Classical guitarists use this position so they have an optimal paralel shape of the left hand and the neck. Thats why they always have such beautiful finger placement on the neck, and their fingers get less bunched up, making it easier to play notes more clearly.
Thank you!
You're welcome, and thank you for watching!
Sempre impeccabile
Grazie!
Oleeeee que bonito,,,,Soleá💖💖💖💖👍🏻👍🏻💯
Gracias! Es la del Maestro.
Saludos!
Very important lesson.
I'm glad!
I would be very happy if you can do more falseta tutorials too , they are very useful !
unlike classical or any other genre of music , flamenco doesn't have that much of tutorials on the web.
I see, I'll keep that in mind too alright.
Cheers!
Incroyable musicien,incroyable virtuose,incroyable artiste ! Maestro !
Merci Romane!
👍Bravo!💯
Gracias!
Bravo.
Thanks!
Such a wonderful player. Where can I buy your recordings? Gracias.
Thank you for the constant high quality input lately. I'm considering wishing for a private lesson for my next birthday. Is Patreon the only way?
You're welcome, glad you're enjoying them!
Yes at the moment Patreon is the only way, you can email me privately if you wish here to discuss further details:
luciano.ghosn.flamenco@gmail.com
So cute by the way! I'm very happy you want a lesson from me for your birthday that makes me happy to hear that!
Cheers!
The part about body anatomy was very instructive to me. I think also guitar dimensions which may vary can make a difference in the playing position.
Glad it did, yes I agree with you on that.
Cheers!
Luciano queremos videos en Español!!! Eres un fenomeno y tu tienes nivel para crear contenido de calidad!!!
Muchas gracias Rafael! Es difícil complacer a todos.. Pero pensare en algo así para el futuro!
Saludos!
Grande Maestro
Gracias!
Very nice video and important topics that are rarely discussed especially the part about the chair since it makes all the difference when playing cross legged. I hope that you make a separate video on what to look for when choosing flamenco chair and how to determine the chair height based on ones anatomy. BTW, I never thought of Paco having huge hands and they're definitely smaller than Vincent's Amigo's, Grisha Goryachev's and yours I think:)
Thank you Duraid!
Paco's hands are HUGE! I would imagine like 20% bigger than mine. I don't know about Grisha or Vicente's size of hands, but Paco was indeed enormous. Haha
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn I think the impression that I have about his hand size comes from the cover of the album "Paco de Lucía interpreta a Manuel de Falla
" which kind of indicates a maximum stretch for his left hand. But hey.. it's not a proof and I never shook his hand:)
Paco de lucia rey de la guitarra flamenca por supuesto y una petición analiza el tema de Vicente amigo puente de los orfebres una maravilla
Pascual Gallo also has long arms, check out how he positions the guitar when playing picado, e.g. his interpretation of Punta del Faro
Good observations ...arm must be paralell to the guitar's tapa
Hola Luciano, que recomiendas para poder picar correctamente de agudos a graves en el caso de que tengas un ángulo hombro a codo largo. Me di cuenta que me sucede mucho eso de subir en el picado y que el angulo de la muñeca se cierre bastante lo cual me dificulta los picados a altas velocidades en los graves. Cómo solucionaste ese problema de posición del antebrazo en tu caso.
hi thanks a lot it's very helpful ! i'm still a student that can't get a flamenco guitar very expansive here in my country ! i have only a classical guitar ! am i able to play flamenco or is it useless to try some modification on the guitar ! cause picado and alzapua ! looks very difficult ! Gracias !
Very nice video. Some different aspects covered. I would not be surprised if Paco's body developed in a manner that allowed him to play the way he did, particularly considering the fact he practiced in a non-human level.
Paco's body from head to toe is made for playing guitar really. Legend.
Cheers!
Infatti; ad imitare Vicente ,mi é venuta l'artrite 😁😁😁
Luciano! Thanks a lot for the tips and Videos , they are all very helpfull.. i have a request if i may 😄 could you make a Video talking about nails? And does the length of fingers is different depending on the hands size and Fingers length? I have Long fingers and cant find the right nails length with which i play comfortably... Shukran kteer:) saludos
Thanks for watching Faud! I have been getting a lot of these requests lately, I'll do it when the time is right for sure.
Yes, length of the fingers are independent from the size of your hand really, sometimes you can have small hands (Palms) but very long fingers, or vice versa.
Cheers!
Thank you, Maestro
Could you please make a tutorial on Palmas and how to play along with compass?
Thank you again
I'll keep the suggestion in mind, thank you!
@@LucianoGhosn Thank you Thank you
Por eso paco introdujo la postura de cruzar los pies porque así tienes la guitarra más cerca del cuerpo y no se te cansa la mano izquierda porque la postura del brazo está baja, y no tienes ,como muy bien explicaste ,qué aguantar la guitarra como suelen tocar los guitarristas clásicos.
Si, es muy interesante, es mi postura favorita. Pero hay que tener un cuerpo bastante delgado para poder seguir esta postura no? Jajaja
Saludos!
There is a fourth posture used by Serranito and Oscar Herrero. Great video, I have long arms and I have to lift the elbow for keeping a manageable wrist. Can I ask you something? Do you think mechanical exercises are necessary or you can get the technique from the Palos and pieces? Thanks
Really? I didn't know about that I'm curious to check it out.
Mechanical exercises are extremely important, then you can apply them on pieces.
Cheers!
lo tocas como el Maestro increible tio enhorabuena
Muchas gracias Marcos!
Very nice where dou live in spain?
You picado is great. There are tips of picado like paco, vicente or javier conde. You should do a video about it. People love picado. You know it because you love picado too!!
I'll consider, heavy video it will be Haha
Yes, I love Picado, and hate it sometimes...
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn hahaha I know the feeling...I love and hate sometimes too...but the love its still bigger...cheers!
So right! We never talk about the anatomy of players. If you are super tall or have long arms you are at such a disadvantage. I have long arms and Big hands. If you are tall with long arms you need almost perfect upright posture to do picados... or hike your elbow up to like 90°
So good for analyzing this. Tall people with long arms are at such a disadvantage. You really need to be short person with a small length of arms and Huge hands I think.
But if you have a long spine you are at a disadvantage
I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I think Paco had great anatomy. Not too tall, short arms and big hands
I agree with you.
one important related question would be : how to practice fast picado without injury ? i find myself getting an injury once i start to hit 16th notes at 150 bpm approx. then i need to rest my hands for a few days to recover ( i can still play with a pick, just not fingers) & i find my speed has slowed again. did u face this & how do u overcome this?
To my knowledge this is the first video talking not only about posture but also about anatomy in flamenco. Speaking of anatomy, Vicente's fingers have an unusual quality in that the top joint can kind of bend backwards. I find it really odd to look at how he does picados, for instance. I am not sure if such a large degree of backward joint mobility is helpful, but he sure plays like the great master that he is.
Glad you enjoyed this video too Hierro!
Yes his fingers are indeed special, and this bending in his finger (bending the first joint when playing), will result in sweeter sound.
He is indeed a great Master.
Cheers!
I can tell you.. day in day out I have trouble figuring out what's the perfect position... :)
Thumbs up, If you feel like the guitar could be constructed in another way to fit better to the players need. (Not talking about traditional positions with little stools).
I understand yes, it's feels very unnatural.
Then we would need each guitar to be customisable to each player!
Mh, I am 1,96 cm tall and the guitar looks like a 3/4 children instrument at my body.
You must record a solo album. Please!
Working on it yes! Haha
Thanks!
Maestro, in the second position you have to hold the guitar when doing picado anyway right?
Because it sounds as if you solve the picado problem of the classical position of having to hold when doing picado but in my case it keeps falling...
Hope I explained myself and congrats for the videos!
I meant traditional position!
Yes I understand what you meant, in the traditional way of playing, when you're doing Picado it's very difficult to hold the guitar.. That's why I almost never use this position. I have to hold the guitar from the left hand when I do Picado and it becomes very inconvenient.
Thank you for watching the videos, glad you're enjoying them!
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn but, do you actually hold the guitar in the second position?
@@diegomenesessanchez2159 Yes, I would have to hold it in that case.
@@LucianoGhosn thank you for your time maestro!
Cheers
Never mind forget me... look here! XD omg man you're so fun and cheerful!
😆
Nice to see you playing..
But *For TH-cam.. Please.. Why "copyright Claim".... Sometimes i hate youtube. I hope youtube next generation, make special permission/to grant cover song permission to *your magneficien sound playing*.
Because this is just a cover that resembles a song -solea paco-. not to pirate songs from the artist.... Keep going Luciano, always support you.💪
Thanks! I hope they can do that too, but it's ok for now..
Thank you for your support Krotus!
Cheers!
Gracias luciano comparee primoo
De nada amigo.
Si pudieras poner mas que sea subtitulos en español. T lo agradeceria un monton👍
Me lo pensaré, mi Español no es nativo, necesito a alguien que me lo hace. Creo para el futuro seria buena idea.
Saludos!
@@LucianoGhosn ok 😊 ojala sea pronto maestro 👍
@@LucianoGhosn "Lo pensaré. El español no es mi lengua nativa. Necesito a alguien que me lo haga. Creo que para el futuro sería buena idea. Saludos!"
Diego de oro guitar support is the best for me
Sounds good!
En Español también sería super interesante.
Como dije antes, es difícil complacer a todos, pero pensare para el futuro!
Gracias por ver el video, saludos!
Helo, flamenco setrings ?
Knobloch, low tension nylon strings.
Cheers!
Grande.... Per piacere potresti qualche volta se puoi parlare in Italiano... Siamo in minoranza nel mondo ma sempre i numeri 1.
Maybe the size of the guitar Paco uses {bigger and deeper body} contributed to his arm and wrist looking straighter .
All of the guitars he ever played in his life, and the ones we see in the photos happen to be like this? Impossible.
But I get what you're saying.
Cheers!
Right the green,red flamenco chair are horrible for playing 😂.
Check manuel silveria, he is tall , dont cross legs and have very curious position. But he play very very well.
Sube subtitles in spanish amigo.
una pregunta, eres hispanohablante verdad? tienes algun canal en español?
Hola Dario, no soy hispanohablante pero puedo hablar español.
Actualmente no tengo otra canal no, lo siento!
Saludos!
La postura dei maestri :herrero, monge, e caño é la migliore
E sabicas
Vincente move his guitar a lot😁🤙🏻 ...but he is Vincente
Yes, but he maintains his position and posture, always fixed.
Cheers!
@@LucianoGhosn thanx my friend I am not the expert to say anything I am at the phase of deep learning flamenco and classical guitar I can just say one thing - you are great!
@@suuuuuuu19 Thank you, good luck with that then!
@@LucianoGhosn thank you so much I have excellent flamenco teacher but process is so damn hard my fingers hurts all the time and my backbone skull also😂 but I love classical/flamenco guitar so so much and that drives me to go forward I active playing almost 2 years now
Thanks for the remarks on moving the guitar around too much. I find it to look very forced, pretentious even, at times. Even with some maestros... I'm not into the "show" aspect of music a lot, as I think it can distract from the essence of what is being played. Minimal is key, in my opinion.
True, sometimes it's nice to add a small spice to the show by moving sightly according to what you're playing, but not all the time, indeed.
Cheers!
fuck you play really good.
I hate my body now. I got long hands :(
Don't! Just look at Vicente's arms and how he was able to overcome this without any problem and developed his technique, it's very interesting.
Don't give up.
Cheers!