I attended a Catholic mass last weekend, and the priest quoted Martin Buber in his sermon. He explained to the congregation, Martin Buber's articulation of I and Thou. This was related to the current Gospel reading of the day, on the Trinity. I rarely have heard a Catholic priest, quote a non-catholic philosopher, from a different spiritual background.
Great content as always. This is an interesting passage as well, “But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn incense before him?” 2 Chronicles 2:6 RV1885
For me, the big problem for the One is that as soon as it speaks a word, it splits the cosmos into two. If it remains silent, it maintains its perfection - but can't say a word about it. This dilemma might be quite important on various levels. Just speculating...
Superb. (Rav Zev, glad to discover you specifically right after watching one of your posts w funny Armenian woman that's, just like mom, continues "reaching" from the tree of knowledge - B 3.22)
Philo seems to be a part of a stream of thought within Second Temple Judaism that flowed into the Jewish sect that became later became Christianity. I think about Paul who self-describes himself as “a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.” (Acts 23:6) trained by Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) who sees Jesus the Netzer (root of Jesse) as an appearance of the Angel of the Lord (Jude 1:5; 1 Corinthians 10:1-5 and especially Galatians 4:14). He writes in 1 Corinthians 8:6 “there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” For Paul all things are from the One God (the Father) through his Logos (the Lord Jesus the Messiah). Hence he writes in Colossians 1:15-17 “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” In traditional Nicene Christian terms the One God is the Father, who has a divine Logos (Jesus Christ) and a divine Spirit (the Holy Spirit). The Word of God and Spirit of God are “of God” begotten and proceeding from the One God, the Father.
I had just listened to your video on the Zohar, and thought to myself “in a sense, this is a more mystical interpretation of Tanakh similar to Philo’s use of Greek philosophy as a pair of lenses to read Scripture through. It is fascinating to see the different ways the People of the Book (Judean and Christian alike) have used different frameworks in order to help us understand the intent and purpose of the Word of Hashem. I am a Protestant Christian and I greatly appreciate your work on this channel. Keep up the good discussions and teachings!
"While the lack of word parsing forced the reader to distinguish elements of the script without a visual aid, it also presented the reader with more freedom to interpret the text. The reader had the liberty to insert pauses and dictate tone, making the act of reading a significantly more subjective activity than it is today. However, the lack of spacing also led to some ambiguity because a minor discrepancy in word parsing could give the text a different meaning. For example, a phrase written in scriptio continua as collectamexiliopubem may be interpreted as collectam ex Ilio pubem, meaning "a people gathered from Troy", or collectam exilio pubem, "a people gathered for exile". Thus, readers had to be much more cognisant of the context to which the text referred.[4]" InterObSubJectivity
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Love it! Another great video. This pantheism series has been very interesting. Also, thank you for putting both the Hebrew and English text on screen side by side and speaking both as well. I'm learning Hebrew so I enjoy those little moments to practice and listen to your pronunciation. My library finally reopened after being closed for over a year! And I checked out the only book they had on Kabbalah, Kabbalah A Very Short Introduction by Joseph Dan, and I found that I already knew about 3/4s of the book from watching your videos! So, you're doing a great job here. Keep it up!
Thank you Justin for your beautiful feedback. I’m so glad that you’ve been enjoying the series and finding it helpful. Joseph Dan is really great. Solid book to pick up. I don’t know how helpful my Hebrew pronunciations actually are because I stick back and forth kind of arbitrarily between modern and chassidic pronunciations 🤷🏻♂️🙈 sorry about that. Much love Justin. Yours, Zevi.
@@SeekersofUnity hahaha well from my experience it seems like no two people pronounce Hebrew the same way. I started learning a little while ago because I was supposed to go to Israel in Summer of 2020...
Amazing what you can put into 33 minutes! I would love to hear more about the “chariot” mysticism. I have read recently that Pauline scholars now associate the apostle’s Damascus experience with this school of mysticism... Thanks for all you do!
Thank you 🙏🏼 Yes that conjecture has been put forward and it’s certainly an interesting one, even linguistically. Hopefully we’ll make some content focusing on the “Merkava school.” Thank you for your kind encouragement and feedback.
Watch Part 2: Pantheism and Kabbalah th-cam.com/video/neMu9nsTYUQ/w-d-xo.html If you enjoyed this vid, please do repost it/share it with a friend 🙏🏼😊 and keep seeking 😉😘
In my pursuit of panqualism it has occured to me that almost all of the mass in the universe is homeostasis. I'm thinking homeostasis has some qualitative property and, in physics it's clear that almost all of the inertial mass in the universe is binding energy: that's homeostasis. Pan?ism rocks!
The best discussion on this subject I've ever experienced. Be curious of your thought about Martin Buber's "I and Thou" and his concept of the elimination of the objective in I-thou relational moments.
Min 1:45 🙏 YES . . . AND . . . i_I 'choose' . . . 'Pantheism as a subset of Panentheistic thought' 😹 Blessings&Gratitude, RabbiZevi !!! MuchoLove MrVic in Dallas, TX RoseLotus ~ BOTH the immanentTranscendent AND the transcendentImmanent
Definitely not Pantheist but you should check out Abraham Miguel Cardozo, his understanding of divinity is very fascinating, it’s a shame how obscure his is!
@@SeekersofUnity honestly his writings on sabbatai are very lame, but his writings on “the mystery of the godhead” are some of the most fascinating stuff I’ve ever read. Pure heresy, but cool heresy.
NonDual BOTH 🙏 "The day of my spiritual awakening was the day I saw and knew I saw all things in God AND God in all things." - Mechthild of Magdeburg NonDual CreatorCreation ~ Creatoration
I just want to say another great episode, and I absolutely love the work you are doing. The amount of new ideas and thinkers this channel has opened me up to has really helped me in my own education and development! Thank you and love from Wales! :)
I must have something wrong because these passages from Maimonides seem understandable and to make sense. I figure this means I must not understand it. That said, it would also seem that the concept of Sefirot almost inevitably becomes a reasonable subsequent deduction once his view is taken.
Getting there. With the taludic God soul discussion seeping with panenthism and philos timeline I can't wait to learn how his allegorical interpretations evolved were neglected to include such extreme literalism to certain texts that is not to say translations of.
Truth is not love, nor compassion, nor contrition: truth, the way, the life; *is* none of those things. The human animal brings these things, if it's willing.
Excellent video. Philo is indeed so underrated as it is impossible to fully understand Johannic Christology and Shi'i imamology his understanding of the Logos and the Face of God, about which Henry Corbin wrote a most excellent book. In the first sermon of Nahj ul-Balagha Imam Ali presents the relationship between God and Creation in ways similar to the idea of God as HaMakom. The merging of knower, knowledge and knowing reminds me of how Patanjali defines samadhi in his Yoga Sutras. Excellent work habibi.
Not only Johannine Christology but overall Christology of ante-nicene fathers especially more perceivable in Justin Martyr and Eusebius of Caesarea, where latter even quotes Philo in his works.
Indeed. I dont see panentheism and pantheism as mutually exclusive. I agree with what you say. Panentheism seems like it falls under the umbrella of pantheism.
My deepest respect for the quality you produce, its mind altering! Blessed be!
Thank you Art 🙏🏼 It’s a pleasure.
Looking forward to this, thanks Zevi!
Thank you Justin. I hope you enjoy it 😊
I attended a Catholic mass last weekend, and the priest quoted Martin Buber in his sermon. He explained to the congregation, Martin Buber's articulation of I and Thou. This was related to the current Gospel reading of the day, on the Trinity. I rarely have heard a Catholic priest, quote a non-catholic philosopher, from a different spiritual background.
Great content as always. This is an interesting passage as well,
“But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn incense before him?”
2 Chronicles 2:6 RV1885
God bless you scholar!! 👏 nicely done!
For me, the big problem for the One is that as soon as it speaks a word, it splits the cosmos into two. If it remains silent, it maintains its perfection - but can't say a word about it. This dilemma might be quite important on various levels. Just speculating...
I"m going to think about that one, I think? Thanks
SilentSpeak 🙏
'DiLemma' UnSolved 😹
Very much like this perspective on the Logos. Thanks.
Superb. (Rav Zev, glad to discover you specifically right after watching one of your posts w funny Armenian woman that's, just like mom, continues "reaching" from the tree of knowledge - B 3.22)
Philo seems to be a part of a stream of thought within Second Temple Judaism that flowed into the Jewish sect that became later became Christianity. I think about Paul who self-describes himself as “a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees.” (Acts 23:6) trained by Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) who sees Jesus the Netzer (root of Jesse) as an appearance of the Angel of the Lord (Jude 1:5; 1 Corinthians 10:1-5 and especially Galatians 4:14). He writes in 1 Corinthians 8:6 “there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” For Paul all things are from the One God (the Father) through his Logos (the Lord Jesus the Messiah). Hence he writes in Colossians 1:15-17 “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” In traditional Nicene Christian terms the One God is the Father, who has a divine Logos (Jesus Christ) and a divine Spirit (the Holy Spirit). The Word of God and Spirit of God are “of God” begotten and proceeding from the One God, the Father.
I was going to watch spinoza aand then I saw this title... yumm
Hope you enjoyed it :)
I had just listened to your video on the Zohar, and thought to myself “in a sense, this is a more mystical interpretation of Tanakh similar to Philo’s use of Greek philosophy as a pair of lenses to read Scripture through. It is fascinating to see the different ways the People of the Book (Judean and Christian alike) have used different frameworks in order to help us understand the intent and purpose of the Word of Hashem. I am a Protestant Christian and I greatly appreciate your work on this channel. Keep up the good discussions and teachings!
Thank you my friend. Welcome.
Thank you, such a wonderful channel. I can watch your videos many times and always pick up new information.
You’re so very welcome. Thank you for your kind comments.
Philo judaeus is criminally underrated, second most based philosopher behind Martin Buber.
The most based Jewish philosopher is Maimonides.
Just found this channel from Let's talk religion. Fantastic presentation.
Thanks for coming. Filip is a legend and it’s been a pleasure to colab with him.
Thank you for your work, it is absolutely amazing !
You’re most welcome. Thank you for joining us.
"While the lack of word parsing forced the reader to distinguish elements of the script without a visual aid, it also presented the reader with more freedom to interpret the text. The reader had the liberty to insert pauses and dictate tone, making the act of reading a significantly more subjective activity than it is today. However, the lack of spacing also led to some ambiguity because a minor discrepancy in word parsing could give the text a different meaning. For example, a phrase written in scriptio continua as collectamexiliopubem may be interpreted as collectam ex Ilio pubem, meaning "a people gathered from Troy", or collectam exilio pubem, "a people gathered for exile". Thus, readers had to be much more cognisant of the context to which the text referred.[4]"
InterObSubJectivity
GoodLuck with a NonDual Venn Diagram 😹
Can always use a
Creatoration 'coin' ~
Heads, U R Creator
Tails, U R Created 🙏
NonDual Creatoration ~
'UnitySeekers'
😻
AndOr . . .
☯️
Your channel has so much profundity and love and has been a great liberating force in my life ...thank you so much for your work!
You’re so welcome Stephen. It bring me much happiness to hear that. Thank you :)
Thank you for teaching me.
You’re most welcome 🙏🏼 Thank you for learning with us.
Love it! Another great video. This pantheism series has been very interesting. Also, thank you for putting both the Hebrew and English text on screen side by side and speaking both as well. I'm learning Hebrew so I enjoy those little moments to practice and listen to your pronunciation. My library finally reopened after being closed for over a year! And I checked out the only book they had on Kabbalah, Kabbalah A Very Short Introduction by Joseph Dan, and I found that I already knew about 3/4s of the book from watching your videos! So, you're doing a great job here. Keep it up!
Thank you Justin for your beautiful feedback. I’m so glad that you’ve been enjoying the series and finding it helpful. Joseph Dan is really great. Solid book to pick up. I don’t know how helpful my Hebrew pronunciations actually are because I stick back and forth kind of arbitrarily between modern and chassidic pronunciations 🤷🏻♂️🙈 sorry about that. Much love Justin. Yours, Zevi.
@@SeekersofUnity hahaha well from my experience it seems like no two people pronounce Hebrew the same way. I started learning a little while ago because I was supposed to go to Israel in Summer of 2020...
I really like how well you concluded everything at the end to both engrave and lighten the information. That was a nice wrap 🎀
Thank you Maria. That means a lot to me that you appreciate it. With love, Zevi
Amazing what you can put into 33 minutes!
I would love to hear more about the “chariot” mysticism. I have read recently that Pauline scholars now associate the apostle’s Damascus experience with this school of mysticism...
Thanks for all you do!
Thank you 🙏🏼 Yes that conjecture has been put forward and it’s certainly an interesting one, even linguistically. Hopefully we’ll make some content focusing on the “Merkava school.” Thank you for your kind encouragement and feedback.
Watch Part 2: Pantheism and Kabbalah th-cam.com/video/neMu9nsTYUQ/w-d-xo.html
If you enjoyed this vid, please do repost it/share it with a friend 🙏🏼😊 and keep seeking 😉😘
I gotchu
You’re solid
In my pursuit of panqualism it has occured to me that almost all of the mass in the universe is homeostasis. I'm thinking homeostasis has some qualitative property and, in physics it's clear that almost all of the inertial mass in the universe is binding energy: that's homeostasis. Pan?ism rocks!
And so; it appears that love converts energy to mass and, truth converts gravity to unity. ... Huh.
I just want to say I'm really enjoying this video series!
Thank you Zelvital. It’s really kind of you to take the time to share that appreciate. It means a lot to us. Thank you.
Thanks!
You’re most welcome. Thank you for the kind contribution.
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I really appreciate your videos and very analytical exposition of complex ideas. Good work brother!
Thank you Ara. I'm glad you liked it.
The best discussion on this subject I've ever experienced. Be curious of your thought about Martin Buber's "I and Thou" and his concept of the elimination of the objective in I-thou relational moments.
Thank you Chris. We’ll have to devote some air time to Mr Buber whom I love dearly.
Your job is amazing, bro!!! You have a new suscriber. :")
Thank you brother 🙏🏼 thanks for joining us. Welcome to the channel.
Thank you brother 🙏🏼 thanks for joining us. Welcome to the channel.
Thank you brother 🙏🏼 thanks for joining us. Welcome to the channel.
@@SeekersofUnity Thanks to you for you effort, buddy!!! cx
Min 1:45 🙏
YES . . .
AND . . .
i_I
'choose' . . .
'Pantheism as a subset of Panentheistic thought' 😹
Blessings&Gratitude, RabbiZevi !!!
MuchoLove
MrVic in Dallas, TX
RoseLotus ~ BOTH the immanentTranscendent AND the transcendentImmanent
Definitely not Pantheist but you should check out Abraham Miguel Cardozo, his understanding of divinity is very fascinating, it’s a shame how obscure his is!
Sabbatian theology is really fascinating.
@@SeekersofUnity honestly his writings on sabbatai are very lame, but his writings on “the mystery of the godhead” are some of the most fascinating stuff I’ve ever read. Pure heresy, but cool heresy.
I’m all down for dope heresy ;)
NonDual BOTH 🙏
"The day of my spiritual awakening was the day I saw and knew I saw
all things in God AND God in all things."
- Mechthild of Magdeburg
NonDual CreatorCreation ~ Creatoration
curious
GoPhilo 😹😻
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Just a thought 💭
If Maimonides elusive number 14 is David. Can Chapter 1:68 in the Guide be 14 & more? ;)
I just want to say another great episode, and I absolutely love the work you are doing. The amount of new ideas and thinkers this channel has opened me up to has really helped me in my own education and development! Thank you and love from Wales! :)
Thank you 🙏🏼 so glad to be assisting your educational journey. Thank you for the kind feedback.
I must have something wrong because these passages from Maimonides seem understandable and to make sense. I figure this means I must not understand it. That said, it would also seem that the concept of Sefirot almost inevitably becomes a reasonable subsequent deduction once his view is taken.
This will require a second watch and historical companion study.
Thanks Ram. Feel free to watch as many times as you need 😋 and share 😉
Getting there. With the taludic God soul discussion seeping with panenthism and philos timeline I can't wait to learn how his allegorical interpretations evolved were neglected to include such extreme literalism to certain texts that is not to say translations of.
NonOther(NonOther( . . . ))
OrNot . . .
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Love to RabbiZ !! 🙏
very good
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There is no time before the birth of time...the rest is obsolete nonsense.
What does that actually mean?
Hello!
Hi 👋🏼
great video, thank you so much 🙏
Truth is not love, nor compassion, nor contrition: truth, the way, the life; *is* none of those things. The human animal brings these things, if it's willing.
Excellent video. Philo is indeed so underrated as it is impossible to fully understand Johannic Christology and Shi'i imamology his understanding of the Logos and the Face of God, about which Henry Corbin wrote a most excellent book. In the first sermon of Nahj ul-Balagha Imam Ali presents the relationship between God and Creation in ways similar to the idea of God as HaMakom. The merging of knower, knowledge and knowing reminds me of how Patanjali defines samadhi in his Yoga Sutras. Excellent work habibi.
Thank you Yusuf 🙏🏼 and thank you for that insightful comment.
@@SeekersofUnity you're welcome habibi.
Not only Johannine Christology but overall Christology of ante-nicene fathers especially more perceivable in Justin Martyr and Eusebius of Caesarea, where latter even quotes Philo in his works.
Yes Ada. Thank you for adding that.
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Pandeism; if you have a good book recommendation on it?
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
That’s the spirit 😉
Have you thought about making a video concerning phenomena of jewish heretics (Sabatei Zevi,Jacob Frank,Jacob Querido) its a sinfull I know :D
I would love to. I find their thought to be super fascinating and insightful.
Isn't monotheism and pantheism the same basically?
How so?
@@SeekersofUnity well I'm no expert but monotheism and pantheism are about having one god no?
Check out our intro to Pantheism vid. I think we clear that up 😉
Is this diety even a person? If not why call it a god?
I don’t know if personhood is a necessary condition for godhood.
@@SeekersofUnity A god is a supernatural *BEING* considered divine or sacred. A being is a person...
That’s one definition of (a) being.
@@SeekersofUnity Well that isn't the definition intended here.
I call it God because I believe it inspired the later ideas of a personal deity, that idea is easier for the masses to understand.
Navel gazing as a day job? No wonder men are so full of themselves. Interesting history.
Indeed. I dont see panentheism and pantheism as mutually exclusive. I agree with what you say. Panentheism seems like it falls under the umbrella of pantheism.