Love the dynamic of Red knowing everything about everything warhammer related and Blue admiring the architecture. Very different but equally valid forms of media consumption.
To be fair, Red did mess up on some points - for example, the Emperor is very much *not* dead, he's pretty recently spoken to Guilliman and kicked Nurgle's shit in by burning a chunk of his garden (after possessing Guilliman, too). And that's on top of a bunch of smaller stuff he's been doing for years. He's not physically out and about, sure, but he doesn't need to be - he's a god.
@blackaua I mean, I despised genshin impact's story when I played it for a while, but it's lore (and by extension the lore of the multiverse it was in) was a kind of special interest for me for well over a year, so maybe it's like that
A chance to share my favorite 40k post ever: "There are two kinds of 40k books: "Space Man Shoot Bad Guys With Big Gun" and "Meditations on the dehumanizing nature of war and the futility of mutual kindness in the face of suffocating oppression and predjudice by Askaurazoth the Child Flenser""
I’ve particularly enjoyed the recent sub genre of ‘the horrors of warfare expressed in unimaginable terror as all assumptions of military prowess collapse, alternating each chapter with the same events from the Ork perspective who are having a grand old time’.
yeah, it's like the scientific field version of deposition/desublimation, ie. when a gas completely skips being a liquid and turns directly into a solid. I only say this because..... well, they skipped chemistry 😥😥
5:20 thats actually a thing in 40K. Anybody lucky or unlucky to see a space marine moving towards them has like an instinctual fear of them because nothing that big and bulky should be able to move that fast and that horrifies most people.
The Transhuman Dread is an aspect of this. Humans seeing spacemarines, even the more normally proportioned Primaris Marines, just see something inherently wrong about them (which tracks, because they're all living weapons)
I shall make this proclamation: Red - Eldar Pheonix Warrior Blue - Ultramarine Indigo - Tech Priest (Edit - The sons of Maccrage have made their case, Brother Blue has been reassigned)
10:07 blue going "disgusting" followed by red immediately going "ah, beautiful" is some amazing comedic timing and shows off the duality of this channel pretty well
22:45 oh that's a cherub. They're babies artificially bred (allegedly) in a cultivation tank for the purpose of performing menial tasks for the inquisition, church and the space marines, such as reading bedtime stories. This is not a joke. Not even the last bit
Part of the charm of 40k is as much as evrything in it is just God-awful, it never pretends that it's making a deep point about the human condition, that we are destined for war because humankind just sucks. It´s a satire on the more bellicose elements, layered in as much catholic-inspired metal iconography that hits on all the notes we are used too when these things are involved. People´s faith in the emperor is genuine and powerful. It is also a belief that goes against all his principles and ends up with thousands of innocents branded as heretics to be killed. The Guardsmen and he many forces of the imperium are genuinly heroic,brave and full of human spirit. They are also part of the most opressive regime that humanity has ever seen with a ludicrous constant death toll. It´s the strange kind of franchise that invites you to both laugh at it and cheer with it.
@@AmerZAC Yet I get the idea she does understand the core of it, namely that the world is awful and grimdark yet somehow not devoid of hope. It's sucks so bad it warps back to being hilarious, and yet at the same time some really inspiring stories are told within it. I do think this is even more present in the Fantasy world given that said world actually allows the good guys to have more than 3 braincells, but that's whatever floats your boat.
@@Silversteeldragon I think it’s crossed the border from Satire or at least has taken frequent visits into the land of genuine storytelling. The easiest one to point to is The Last Church which is a debate between the Emperor and the last Church on Earth. The general take away from the story is that in spite of the bad things Religion has brought most of it would have happened regardless and that religion bare minimum holds a standard to which all people can measure. To quote the Priest to the Emperor “any civilization you lead is destined to fall to ruin” Then theirs the examinations between Hope and Truth and if it’s better to live in a comfortable lie rather than uncomfortable truths. Is cruelty in a cruel world justified? I could go on but theirs some pretty smart stories in Warhammer.
09:00 The "contradiction" with Slaanesh between Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40K is explained by the fact that the Chaos Gods exist outside of causality. From the moment when Slaanesh was created, they retroactively always existed across all of time. So Slaanesh can exist in the Warhammer Fantasy World, where the Elven Gods still exist, and simultaneously exist in the Warhammer 40K world where they murdered all of the Elven Gods.
I’ve always had the head canon that Fantasy is set way ahead of 40K, after Ynnead awakens and brings back the Eldar gods, the emperor as Sigmar and the Necrons as the Egyptian guys, then sheer psychic force of that group plus a full scale orc waaaaagh hits reset on the universe, killing everything that isn’t on Holy Terra (weakening chaos) and also Vashtorr becomes a Rat
I may be wrong, but I’m 90% sure that 40k and Fantasy are completely separate settings. It’s just that 40k was initially a sci-fi copy and past of fantasy, so GW used a lot of the same characters and ideas.
@@JoshSweetvaleThe Emperor's soul is shattered into potentially thousands of pieces at the current point in the lore. In on of the more recent novels we get a flashback of Guilliman talking to him and it's a ton of different voices saying different things.
@@mpitt0730as I understand it that’s more down to the fact that the souls being sacrificed to the Emperor aren’t outright destroyed so much as they are absorbed into his as it is degraded, so whilst the original being is still in there and remains the dominant expression, he is less a single being at this point and more an incoherent gestalt of countless sacrificed souls slowly eroded by the sheer weight of holding Terra together and powering the astronomicon. For the Emperor to coalesce into a form capable of speaking to anyone requires extraordinary willpower and amplifies his pain even further, and is itself a psychic barrage that few would be able to withstand, let alone comprehend.
If I had $20 for every time I found out one of my favorite entertainers played Eldar, it still wouldn't be enough to buy a single character model directly from GW. The other one was Robin Williams, and not in a small way, either. The man had 4 fully-painted Armourcast titans.
My favourite Robin Williams nerd moment was when he was doing One Hour Photo - otherwise a serious drama - and had to give a toy to a kid, creepily. The toy was a Mass-Production Evangelion. Not just _any_ zombie robot, but the child-soldier-eating vulture-coded zombie robots from the for-grownups movie about armageddon and child soldiers going psychotic. Y'kow. "It's one of the good guys." Robin Williams playing a psycho. :D
I love that they acknowledge the detail that 9/10 Thousand Sons marines are Rubric Marines: basically a mindless soul tied to its armor and a pile of warp dust where the body used to be. But when you run into the sorcerers like Imurah, they're VERY powerful in the ways of warp psyker bs. THQ Nordic's dedication to lore details is always a treat. And there were orkz in the first game. They were a riot.
Soldiers of the Imperium: “The demons pour forth onto the battlefield! We are doomed! There is no choice but to die fighting or swear allegiance to our new dark masters!” Soldiers of the Empire of Man: “Oh bollocks, there’s another demon invasion. HANS! GO GET MY MUSKET!”
Leandros was the asshole in your previous squad who turned you into the inquisition. He's the reason why you have a backstory and he was constantly saying "the codex doesn't support this action"
If Leandros spent more time actually reading the Codex instead of criticizing Titus, he'd know that suspected heretics are to be reported to the Chaplins instead of directly going to The Inquisition.
I think with Warhammer Fantasy, some people theorise that it's a pocket world inside the warp which the Great Old Ones were using to test-run their return. It's an explanation for why the ostensibly less powerful orks (since they don't have loads of them to create a massive psykic hullabaloo) etc. can compete with chaos - it's the same chaos gods bleeding in, but because it's it's own isolated pocket space, they are much smaller and much less powerful. However, most of this idea is conjecture based on wierd stuff like Sigmar maybe meeting Drago after Warhammer Fantasy's destruction.
@@n0n4me77personally willing to believe the galaxy left over from the necrons etc was just so nuked out it went beyond a dark age, and the eldar wouldn’t bother with terra considering their.. issues
So, fun detail. When Titus hears Galadriel's voice tempting him into using the artifact, it was only Titua who heard it. I playing the campaign with online co-op with a friend, I was Titus and he was Galadriel. He told me that he didn't hear his character say anything on his end.
Whoa, that rules. I think there was some similar stuff going on with co-op in Dead Space 3, though I never looked deeper. Big fan of games doing stuff like this
I remember red mentioning at some point, I think in the grimdark trope talk?, that she played Warhammer at some point. The contrast between "I somehow remember all the lore" and Blue's "I have no idea, but the building's are nice" is great.
For Red’s benefit, the most “wholesome” any faction gets is the Salamanders Space Marines. Their philosophy is that to protect the Imperium is to protect its people, and they are known for suffering far more casualties than other space marine chapters because they keep going back to save more civilians. They also let their marines actually go home to spend time with their pre-marine families, which is an extreme rarity!
That being said, there was that one incident with the Eldar child, but Vulcan was having a little PTSD moment, and he felt really bad about it afterwards.
If it helps Red, there's a full roadmap for the next year or two of free expansions with more missions added and the promise of new enemies, so there's actually a high likelihood the first major expansion *is* Necrons.
It'll probably be at least a year or more before we get necrons. we know for sure that the first instance of new enemies is the Zangor shaman for the Ksons. They weren't very clear about what "new enemies" meant initially, and everybody assumed that means necrons, and maybe we will get them eventually, but for now that actually means new units for the existing factions, not full new factions.
I think the most recent hint that they were in the same universe was the end times when the skaven accidentally contacted the eldar, but that was a decade ago lol. Keeping them separate is for the best lol
On the other hand, one of the high-end items you can get for Chaos heroes in Total Warhammer includes a chainsword. Which absolutely shouldn't exist in Warhammer Fantasy.
7:24 Excuse you Red. 40k lore goes up its own ass a *minimum* of three times per bit. Otherwise it’s just sparkling Starship Troopers. 11:57 Fun fact: Space marines are so heavy in power armor that they canonically consider entering any building with a basement to be a serious concern because they *will* drop through the floor of an American-style house like a Looney Toons skit the moment they put their weight on the wood frame. 15:27 “Sure it’s a bit of a fixer-upper, Sure it’s got a few ‘Nids With their peculiar brains, fear Their razor-sharp claws dear And their existence which the Emperor forbids So it’s a bit of a fixer-upper, but this we’re certain of You can fix this fixer-upper up with a little lot of blood!” 20:45 Blue, you’ve essentially hit on why there are no regular computers in this setting. Basically what you describe plus a galaxy-wide Skynet uprising meant that, same as Dune, *no sane person* (and very few of the insane people too) will ever trust a network ever again. 27:32 “Cracking open a dusty one with the battle-brothers.”
@@akunokami1290 If she was more into 40K back in high school, it probably means that she's operating on relatively older lore. So it's pretty understandable, but the turbo-nerd in me is screaming to correct it.
Yeah, if I'm doing the mental math correctly, the whole Treasures of Albion thing where there was power armor, lightning claws, an Auspex, and flamers in the Fantasy world would have still been fairly recent when she was playing.@@nerdyvids1
Speaking of Byzantine. I'm convinced Robby G's Terran Crusade is a Emperor Justinian. He fought his way from his remenant state to retake its traditional capital, all while assisted by Belisarius
Actually, I think Robby G is more a cross between Justinian and Odaenathus of Palmyra. Odaenathus, if you're not familiar with him, ruled Palmyra, Syria, in the 3rd century when the Roman emperor got captured by the Sassanids. Rather than take the chance to break free or swear fealty to the neighbouring Sassanian Persians, Odaenathus took up arms and held the victorious Sassanids at bay with the forces available to Palmyra, all while staying loyal to the empire. This pretty much allowed Rome to recover from the devastating hit that losing their emperor was. After his death his wife Zenobia DID break free from Rome and briefly controlled an empire from Egypt to Constantinople, but by this time Aurelian managed to get Rome's shit together again and eventually subjugated her again. I think Robby G fits Odaenathus because iirc his planet got cut off from the rest of the Empire of Man and he decided to act as if this was the last bastion of the Empire. Yet when he discovered the Empire hadn't collapsed yet he immediately joined again. Though the Justinian/Belisarius angle also works.
29:40 "Be the goodest guy I can" is my philosophy for my on-going first playthrough of W40k Rogue Trader. Trying to find the balance between not killing a whole deck cause they're upset about poor conditions but also not pissing off/appearing weak to the people with the means to throw a coup.
It’s funny watching Red and Blue dog on Titus so much because of how miserable he is in this game. Meanwhile his appearance in the first game made him such a level headed and likeable dude that he’s one of the fandom’s favorite marines.
Not to bang on my necron drum again and I’m sure every other soul on earth has said this but i feel like all of Reds beef with 40ks worldbuilding would be solved by reading Infinite and the Divine
Robert Rath has done more for the Necrons than pretty much any other author in the history of 40k and it's astounding he's also the lead writer and historian for Extra History xD
I’ve written for Warhammer Fantasy Role Play and Warhammer 40k Imperium Maledictum and I have to say all those connections Red was bringing up are some of my favourite things when doing the research for both settings! Though I’d never thought of them in terms of Warhammer Fantasy world being more badass since they’ve been holding off a chaos rift this whole time. This makes my Lizardmen/Eldar loving heart happy.
Just want to say thank you for the work you put into writing for them! Been running about two separate I.M. games with friends and we all are having a blast!
@ oh my work on IM was very minor, just some setting descriptions in the starter set, but the Cubicle 7 team are incredibly devoted to the quality of their work and it’s always a blast writing for them. Glad you’re having fun with the game!
The reason the Warhammer world isn't a full on daemon world is because the elves did a ritual that drained most of the chaos energy into a vortex on the isle of death.
The Emperor is definitely still alive. He had a conversation with Gulliman and everything. Ignore that said conversation was mostly Big E trying to pull himself together enough to give a coherent order and still left Guilliman with possible brain damage.
22:24 You may enjoy learning of the Order Fenestrus, a whole army of of warrior nuns whose only job is to take care of the Imperium’s stained-glass windows. Yes, this is real (and recent!) official 40k lore. Source: Codex Adepta Sororita, 9th edition, pg. 39.
To be fair to Red, the idea that Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k are connected was only disproven as of 2015 (according to my research) which would have been well after she had stopped playing so just because she’s simply too ancient and antediluvian doesn’t mean she’s wrong, just some old ways of thinking.
Wtffffff its like you guys are my spirit animals... I start getting into 40k like a year ago on a random algorithm rabbit hole and now that I'm fully invested you guys are dropping 40K content... Love you both! Say hi to the rest of the colors 😂
7:38 I CARE ABOUT IT RED, YOU ARE NOT ALONE! The Eldar is the faction I have an army of, and I love my f’d up space elves. (I do not play anymore because it is very expensive)
10:49 Fun fact, in the End Times it was revealed that the Bretonnians leader, the 'Lady of the Lake' was the Elven Goddess of magic the whole time, raising them to be basically a buffer state for the elves
Hell yeah OSP 40k! edit: Also at 22:45 that is a Cherub, and if youre thinking "wait isnt that like a baby angel with wings" well you got the baby part right...lol
40k and Fantasy being in the same universe is definitely a fun theory, but is pretty much fully disproved by Age of Sigmar being a thing. Warhammer Fantasy is at most a parallel universe connected to 40k by the warp that happens to have some weird overlap, especially since the new Elf gods in AoS have managed to fully jail Slaanesh
36:27 also, because I’m a Necron player, that’s I think the Necrontyr, space Egyptians if you couldn’t tell by the not hieroglyphs and Aten. Who become the Necrons, terminator space Egyptians, through the C’tan.
I thought the title said Exploring and not exploding, and thought they were gonna analyze Tyranids as a species and their narrative role. While this video is still very fun you guys should do that. Seems like it’d be a really fun Detail Diatribe.
You really want to fight the Orks? Definitely play the first Space Marine game. It’s the most British clash imaginable. British military vs all of the soccer hooligans.
4:46 I don’t know anything about Magenta other than what she revealed in the “TTRPGs that aren’t DnD” video, but somehow her being a ‘nids player seems extremely on-brand
Commander Farsight is pretty much a good guy, but he’ll probably succumb to the chaos. Still, I really like the Tau. Also the Salamanders are good green bois.
29:00 also they where in the last game and that runs a risk of being too much like the first game, which the game is already doing by reusing the McGuffin from the first game. They also switched to Tsyche because last game was Korne and they've overused Nurgle lately, so it's Tsyche or Slanesh
29:31 Red, there are good guys in Warhammer now! The Tau have a splinter group led by a Commander Farsight who realised the Tau government was evil so he secceeded from it. He & his mech anime cast do nothing but defend their little utopian enclave from the Tau and the other threats of the Galaxy. Although on the last novel he had a super powered evil side dilemma. They are playable subfaction
Never thought Red would know so much about Warhammer in spite of not liking Grim Dark. This franchise literally coined the term of the genre she doesn’t like.
Warhammer may have coined the phrase Grimdark, but it has pretty much always been a parody of the concept (though maybe not always intentionally). It's hard to take the galaxy-spanning turbo-fascist empire seriously when the bureaucracy catastrophically fail literally everything they do in every story, and 90% of the protagonists are either mostly reasonable people who eventually succeed or cartoonishly over-the-top psychopaths.
@@KamilDrakari I disagree. On most of those points actually and it hasn’t been a satire or parody for a long time now. Just because it has moments of levity doesn’t mean it’s not Grim Dark. Otherwise it all plateaus and loses its edge. Besides that considering all the logistics involved with a civilization as large and turbulent as the Imperium it’s pretty reasonable that the bureaucracy is a labyrinthian nightmare. Just trying to get an accurate date of events is hard on a galactic scale because years and days are different from planet to planet and warp travel has a bunch of screwy time stuff involved. Sometimes you can accidentally be gone for 100 years in a 20 second flight. Then theirs people like Cain who have been declared dead only to show up again later and now theirs a bunch of paperwork to go through and retract. Commissar Cain has been declared dead so many times that official record keepers have given up and just declared him MIA permanently.
25:01 this is funny because in the previous game where we got to see titus’ traumatic backstory firsthand. He had this little bitch named leandros whining in his ear about the codex astartes aaalllllll the god emperor damn time
There is the Farsight Enclave in regards to a 'good' side in 40k. They splintered away from the rest of the Tau empire and are the closest you can get to a heroic faction. They're still a military dictatorship but their leader is a relatively cool dude and is fighting against the corruption of the Ethereals.
They also comment on how he didn't salute Gadriel and Chairon, despite he doing an "I was wrong, am sorry, and thank you, boys" to his squad just a couple minutes before in-game. I know commentary + being engaged is difficult, but COME ON
Somebody probably already said it, but Leandros is the guy from your team in the first game that got you arrested and put through 100 years of nearly dying in the Death Watch.
The whole warhammer fantasy rant from red is even funnier if you know the lore for age of sigmar, which exists because warhammer fantasy GOT FUDGING NUKED BY CHAOS. Killing all the elf (wait no copyrightable names) alef god got killed, and one of the new gods (morathi) is literally just pretending to be khaine so that she can have a murder cult. Akso they aren't connected, because AoS slaanesh is in prison, and the great horned rat became the 5th chaos god. SUCK IT BELAKOR! Getting cucked in two settings at once.
Also @25:08 y'all don't seem to have played the first one, so...yeah, this is probably first time we see Titus display anything that could be construed as "Character Development" it's a pretty important scene. you poke fun, but yes, that is exactly what happened.
8:30 You forget that Warhammer Fantasy was killed off years ago thanks to the warp portal, then reborn as Age of Sigmar. Also Slanesh is currently Imprisoned by Age of Sigmar Elves so I just guess fantasy elves are just stronger than space elves. Although they are gonna be so pissed if they ever get out so it may be passing the buck. To be fair, it was because it was their least popular and profitable format by a wide margine(it hadn't yet gotten the Virmintide/Total Warhamer push). And thankfully the setting is basically being expanded again..... as Age of Sigmar's 30K, but still. Other difrences are Great Horned Rat is now 5th Chaos God/substitute 4th. Gork and Mork have fused into a 2 headed monstrosity, and Sigmar is Best Buds with a Space Dragon
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The emperor protects
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Blood for the God-Emperor!
Unless your xeno, mutant, witch, heretic, chaos, AI, and especially human.
"Egyptian themed forces" - Billy appears
@@gronn2466 surprisingly enough my first ever army was Necrons in 2002 😂
Love the dynamic of Red knowing everything about everything warhammer related and Blue admiring the architecture. Very different but equally valid forms of media consumption.
Also very on brand for both of them
To be fair, Red did mess up on some points - for example, the Emperor is very much *not* dead, he's pretty recently spoken to Guilliman and kicked Nurgle's shit in by burning a chunk of his garden (after possessing Guilliman, too). And that's on top of a bunch of smaller stuff he's been doing for years.
He's not physically out and about, sure, but he doesn't need to be - he's a god.
Funny, I thought she didn't like warhamer when she talked about grim dark.
@@AmerZAClet’s be real though. Keeping even 50% of Warhammer lore straight is a commendable feat
@blackaua I mean, I despised genshin impact's story when I played it for a while, but it's lore (and by extension the lore of the multiverse it was in) was a kind of special interest for me for well over a year, so maybe it's like that
I need a series of Red explaining half remembered warhammer lore. The comment section alone would be glorious
I'm dying inside already!
The urge to write paragraphs of ‘Um Actuallies’ is too real😂
Red would need to brush up on her lore before that, because she's wrong on a bunch of points.
@@AmerZAC that would be the point op was making.
We already told her everyone died in Fantasy, it's Age of Sigmar now and has been for almost a decade
A chance to share my favorite 40k post ever:
"There are two kinds of 40k books: "Space Man Shoot Bad Guys With Big Gun" and "Meditations on the dehumanizing nature of war and the futility of mutual kindness in the face of suffocating oppression and predjudice by Askaurazoth the Child Flenser""
I’ve particularly enjoyed the recent sub genre of ‘the horrors of warfare expressed in unimaginable terror as all assumptions of military prowess collapse, alternating each chapter with the same events from the Ork perspective who are having a grand old time’.
And then there is Ciaphas Cain. "What if Mr. Satan had a soulless sidekick?"
@@JohnnyElRedI'd say Cain is more; "I have no idea what I'm doing, but I know I'm doing it very well."
And any book with Trazyn in it ever
"BDSM Elves Solve Problems with the Power of Toxic Yuri"
29:22 “That guy went from being biology to being physics real fast.” Has got to be one of my favorite lines I’ve heard in a while.
yeah, it's like the scientific field version of deposition/desublimation, ie. when a gas completely skips being a liquid and turns directly into a solid. I only say this because..... well, they skipped chemistry 😥😥
5:20 thats actually a thing in 40K. Anybody lucky or unlucky to see a space marine moving towards them has like an instinctual fear of them because nothing that big and bulky should be able to move that fast and that horrifies most people.
*bassboosted Meet the Sniper intro*
The Transhuman Dread is an aspect of this. Humans seeing spacemarines, even the more normally proportioned Primaris Marines, just see something inherently wrong about them (which tracks, because they're all living weapons)
they're called the angels of death for a reason
I shall make this proclamation:
Red - Eldar Pheonix Warrior
Blue - Ultramarine
Indigo - Tech Priest
(Edit - The sons of Maccrage have made their case, Brother Blue has been reassigned)
Cleo the Cat: machine spirit
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Cleo - Gork
Ziggy - Mork
I feel like Red would really appreciate Magnus and the Thousand Sons
Blue, Rome’s biggest fanboy who is also BLUE, an Imperial Fist? I disagree, he’s an Ultramarine through and through.
Surely that makes Ziggy the Void Dragon?
10:07 blue going "disgusting" followed by red immediately going "ah, beautiful" is some amazing comedic timing and shows off the duality of this channel pretty well
The grimdark trope talk got me into this universe! Now I am pseudo professionally painting, and I have made a lot of friends. Thank you OSP
22:45 oh that's a cherub. They're babies artificially bred (allegedly) in a cultivation tank for the purpose of performing menial tasks for the inquisition, church and the space marines, such as reading bedtime stories. This is not a joke. Not even the last bit
Everyone enjoys a little grim-derp with the grimdark.
Red, known hater of everything grim & dark:
Knows all the lore. Love it!
(I'm in the same boat myself)
Part of the charm of 40k is as much as evrything in it is just God-awful, it never pretends that it's making a deep point about the human condition, that we are destined for war because humankind just sucks. It´s a satire on the more bellicose elements, layered in as much catholic-inspired metal iconography that hits on all the notes we are used too when these things are involved. People´s faith in the emperor is genuine and powerful. It is also a belief that goes against all his principles and ends up with thousands of innocents branded as heretics to be killed. The Guardsmen and he many forces of the imperium are genuinly heroic,brave and full of human spirit. They are also part of the most opressive regime that humanity has ever seen with a ludicrous constant death toll.
It´s the strange kind of franchise that invites you to both laugh at it and cheer with it.
She doesn't though. She knows the basics, but she makes a bunch of mistakes in this video alone.
@@AmerZACTrue, but it’s more correct lore than one would suspect she would know at all.
@@AmerZAC Yet I get the idea she does understand the core of it, namely that the world is awful and grimdark yet somehow not devoid of hope. It's sucks so bad it warps back to being hilarious, and yet at the same time some really inspiring stories are told within it.
I do think this is even more present in the Fantasy world given that said world actually allows the good guys to have more than 3 braincells, but that's whatever floats your boat.
@@Silversteeldragon I think it’s crossed the border from Satire or at least has taken frequent visits into the land of genuine storytelling. The easiest one to point to is The Last Church which is a debate between the Emperor and the last Church on Earth. The general take away from the story is that in spite of the bad things Religion has brought most of it would have happened regardless and that religion bare minimum holds a standard to which all people can measure. To quote the Priest to the Emperor “any civilization you lead is destined to fall to ruin”
Then theirs the examinations between Hope and Truth and if it’s better to live in a comfortable lie rather than uncomfortable truths. Is cruelty in a cruel world justified? I could go on but theirs some pretty smart stories in Warhammer.
Wait 40k on OSP???? WHAAAA?
Not whaaa? WAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHH
I vaguely remember red used to play an Eldar army
Red made a video about Grim Dark as a genre at one point, she mentioned having painted eldar for a little bit years ago.
Blue: Gothic chant in one ear, red info dumping half remembered 40k lore in the other
Overly Sarcastic BROTHERS
Put that on a shirt
Overly sarcastic pURGE IN HOLY FIRE
09:00
The "contradiction" with Slaanesh between Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40K is explained by the fact that the Chaos Gods exist outside of causality. From the moment when Slaanesh was created, they retroactively always existed across all of time. So Slaanesh can exist in the Warhammer Fantasy World, where the Elven Gods still exist, and simultaneously exist in the Warhammer 40K world where they murdered all of the Elven Gods.
Also about that elven gods still existing thing....
I’ve always had the head canon that Fantasy is set way ahead of 40K, after Ynnead awakens and brings back the Eldar gods, the emperor as Sigmar and the Necrons as the Egyptian guys, then sheer psychic force of that group plus a full scale orc waaaaagh hits reset on the universe, killing everything that isn’t on Holy Terra (weakening chaos) and also Vashtorr becomes a Rat
I may be wrong, but I’m 90% sure that 40k and Fantasy are completely separate settings.
It’s just that 40k was initially a sci-fi copy and past of fantasy, so GW used a lot of the same characters and ideas.
@@joejoe0213 sure, that’s the easiest answer but also so BORING. So much more interesting to consider the alternatives
@@joejoe0213 They are not. The Warp is the same between the two. It connects to infinite universes.
The emperor is big air quotes “technically alive”, but is basically a giant battery for an astral lighthouse currently
He's a very large soul chained to his skeleton.
@@JoshSweetvaleThe Emperor's soul is shattered into potentially thousands of pieces at the current point in the lore. In on of the more recent novels we get a flashback of Guilliman talking to him and it's a ton of different voices saying different things.
@@cernunnos1240 and actively keeping a massive warp rift trying to tear Terra a new one from manifesting
@@mpitt0730as I understand it that’s more down to the fact that the souls being sacrificed to the Emperor aren’t outright destroyed so much as they are absorbed into his as it is degraded, so whilst the original being is still in there and remains the dominant expression, he is less a single being at this point and more an incoherent gestalt of countless sacrificed souls slowly eroded by the sheer weight of holding Terra together and powering the astronomicon. For the Emperor to coalesce into a form capable of speaking to anyone requires extraordinary willpower and amplifies his pain even further, and is itself a psychic barrage that few would be able to withstand, let alone comprehend.
If I had $20 for every time I found out one of my favorite entertainers played Eldar, it still wouldn't be enough to buy a single character model directly from GW.
The other one was Robin Williams, and not in a small way, either. The man had 4 fully-painted Armourcast titans.
My favourite Robin Williams nerd moment was when he was doing One Hour Photo - otherwise a serious drama - and had to give a toy to a kid, creepily.
The toy was a Mass-Production Evangelion.
Not just _any_ zombie robot, but the child-soldier-eating vulture-coded zombie robots from the for-grownups movie about armageddon and child soldiers going psychotic.
Y'kow. "It's one of the good guys."
Robin Williams playing a psycho. :D
I love that they acknowledge the detail that 9/10 Thousand Sons marines are Rubric Marines: basically a mindless soul tied to its armor and a pile of warp dust where the body used to be. But when you run into the sorcerers like Imurah, they're VERY powerful in the ways of warp psyker bs. THQ Nordic's dedication to lore details is always a treat.
And there were orkz in the first game. They were a riot.
Did not expect Red to be a Warhammer fan.
Yet it somehow makes perfect sense
29:10 the reason there are no orcs in space marine 2 is that the Warboss in the first game overshadowed the Big bad evil chaos marine.
the reason there are no orcs in space marine 2 is because there are no "orcs" in 40k. DEY IZ DA ORKZ YA GIT
Soldiers of the Imperium: “The demons pour forth onto the battlefield! We are doomed! There is no choice but to die fighting or swear allegiance to our new dark masters!”
Soldiers of the Empire of Man: “Oh bollocks, there’s another demon invasion. HANS! GO GET MY MUSKET!”
WELCOME TO ESTALIA, GENTLEMEN
Hans, ready ze steam tank
Leandros was the asshole in your previous squad who turned you into the inquisition. He's the reason why you have a backstory and he was constantly saying "the codex doesn't support this action"
If Leandros spent more time actually reading the Codex instead of criticizing Titus, he'd know that suspected heretics are to be reported to the Chaplins instead of directly going to The Inquisition.
Can we all appreciate that Leandros found his true calling. Chaplains are meant to be the most stiff and uptight astarties available. Still an asshole
He's also the reason why Titus refuses to elaborate on anything in his backstory. Leandros outright said "Btw, don't tell anyone your backstory."
I think with Warhammer Fantasy, some people theorise that it's a pocket world inside the warp which the Great Old Ones were using to test-run their return. It's an explanation for why the ostensibly less powerful orks (since they don't have loads of them to create a massive psykic hullabaloo) etc. can compete with chaos - it's the same chaos gods bleeding in, but because it's it's own isolated pocket space, they are much smaller and much less powerful.
However, most of this idea is conjecture based on wierd stuff like Sigmar maybe meeting Drago after Warhammer Fantasy's destruction.
There's an anecdote in Fantasy about the 40k galaxy being inside a vial in a wizard's tower in Altdorf.
@@n0n4me77personally willing to believe the galaxy left over from the necrons etc was just so nuked out it went beyond a dark age, and the eldar wouldn’t bother with terra considering their.. issues
So, fun detail. When Titus hears Galadriel's voice tempting him into using the artifact, it was only Titua who heard it. I playing the campaign with online co-op with a friend, I was Titus and he was Galadriel. He told me that he didn't hear his character say anything on his end.
Whoa, that rules. I think there was some similar stuff going on with co-op in Dead Space 3, though I never looked deeper. Big fan of games doing stuff like this
I remember red mentioning at some point, I think in the grimdark trope talk?, that she played Warhammer at some point. The contrast between "I somehow remember all the lore" and Blue's "I have no idea, but the building's are nice" is great.
For Red’s benefit, the most “wholesome” any faction gets is the Salamanders Space Marines. Their philosophy is that to protect the Imperium is to protect its people, and they are known for suffering far more casualties than other space marine chapters because they keep going back to save more civilians.
They also let their marines actually go home to spend time with their pre-marine families, which is an extreme rarity!
That being said, there was that one incident with the Eldar child, but Vulcan was having a little PTSD moment, and he felt really bad about it afterwards.
48:46 - I love that Calgar shows up, jumps off a Thunderhawk, kills some Traitors and then is like "Oh sup... fill me in on what's going on."
And then apparently the solution to fighting chaos is to set your obelisks to wumbo
Just opening TH-cam and seeing the word HERESY in all caps along with the thumbnail improved everything about today by a factor of 67
Real, this is honestly the best video that's ever popped up at the top of my feed.
If it helps Red, there's a full roadmap for the next year or two of free expansions with more missions added and the promise of new enemies, so there's actually a high likelihood the first major expansion *is* Necrons.
It'll probably be at least a year or more before we get necrons. we know for sure that the first instance of new enemies is the Zangor shaman for the Ksons. They weren't very clear about what "new enemies" meant initially, and everybody assumed that means necrons, and maybe we will get them eventually, but for now that actually means new units for the existing factions, not full new factions.
Fantasy is explicitly separated from 40K, they used to be set in the same universe in the olden days, but not anymore.
I think the most recent hint that they were in the same universe was the end times when the skaven accidentally contacted the eldar, but that was a decade ago lol. Keeping them separate is for the best lol
Ah, the Treasures of Albion.
On the other hand, one of the high-end items you can get for Chaos heroes in Total Warhammer includes a chainsword. Which absolutely shouldn't exist in Warhammer Fantasy.
7:24
Excuse you Red.
40k lore goes up its own ass a *minimum* of three times per bit. Otherwise it’s just sparkling Starship Troopers.
11:57
Fun fact: Space marines are so heavy in power armor that they canonically consider entering any building with a basement to be a serious concern because they *will* drop through the floor of an American-style house like a Looney Toons skit the moment they put their weight on the wood frame.
15:27
“Sure it’s a bit of a fixer-upper,
Sure it’s got a few ‘Nids
With their peculiar brains, fear
Their razor-sharp claws dear
And their existence which the Emperor forbids
So it’s a bit of a fixer-upper, but this we’re certain of
You can fix this fixer-upper up with a little lot of blood!”
20:45
Blue, you’ve essentially hit on why there are no regular computers in this setting. Basically what you describe plus a galaxy-wide Skynet uprising meant that, same as Dune, *no sane person* (and very few of the insane people too) will ever trust a network ever again.
27:32
“Cracking open a dusty one with the battle-brothers.”
Also the demons can hack you with entropy magic.
the ixians are portrayed as like, smart, and they use illegal computers to emulate doom64. i saw it happen in math last week
I remember a meme back in the day, that a Space Marine's greatest weakness was a set of wooden stairs.
1:04:22 funny you should say that Red, cause Calgar lost ALL 4 of his limbs to the tyranids at one point
(though this has been retconned I THINK)
It is so so difficult to not go um actually on some minor inaccuracies that really don’t matter
The turbo hyperfixation knowledge is a curse
Red saying Fantasy exists in 40k has me looking like that one meme of the kid with the strained neck.
@ it was true for a while but got decanonized
So yeah you are right that one gave me whiplash
@@akunokami1290 If she was more into 40K back in high school, it probably means that she's operating on relatively older lore. So it's pretty understandable, but the turbo-nerd in me is screaming to correct it.
Yeah, if I'm doing the mental math correctly, the whole Treasures of Albion thing where there was power armor, lightning claws, an Auspex, and flamers in the Fantasy world would have still been fairly recent when she was playing.@@nerdyvids1
Blue: I can talk to them about Rome and Venice.
Red: You know what, I'm joining Chaos.
Speaking of Byzantine. I'm convinced Robby G's Terran Crusade is a Emperor Justinian. He fought his way from his remenant state to retake its traditional capital, all while assisted by Belisarius
Actually, I think Robby G is more a cross between Justinian and Odaenathus of Palmyra. Odaenathus, if you're not familiar with him, ruled Palmyra, Syria, in the 3rd century when the Roman emperor got captured by the Sassanids. Rather than take the chance to break free or swear fealty to the neighbouring Sassanian Persians, Odaenathus took up arms and held the victorious Sassanids at bay with the forces available to Palmyra, all while staying loyal to the empire. This pretty much allowed Rome to recover from the devastating hit that losing their emperor was. After his death his wife Zenobia DID break free from Rome and briefly controlled an empire from Egypt to Constantinople, but by this time Aurelian managed to get Rome's shit together again and eventually subjugated her again.
I think Robby G fits Odaenathus because iirc his planet got cut off from the rest of the Empire of Man and he decided to act as if this was the last bastion of the Empire. Yet when he discovered the Empire hadn't collapsed yet he immediately joined again. Though the Justinian/Belisarius angle also works.
And then got his day ruined by the plague (hello Mortarion!)
OSP and 40k? I was not expecting this
29:40 "Be the goodest guy I can" is my philosophy for my on-going first playthrough of W40k Rogue Trader.
Trying to find the balance between not killing a whole deck cause they're upset about poor conditions but also not pissing off/appearing weak to the people with the means to throw a coup.
Overly Space Marine Productions
It’s funny watching Red and Blue dog on Titus so much because of how miserable he is in this game. Meanwhile his appearance in the first game made him such a level headed and likeable dude that he’s one of the fandom’s favorite marines.
Engaging standard morale boost:
For the EMPEROR!
40:33 red he possessed a primarch, insulted a traitor primarch, wounded Nurgle and saved a world from a chaos gate, I'm pretty sure he's out there.
Not to bang on my necron drum again and I’m sure every other soul on earth has said this but i feel like all of Reds beef with 40ks worldbuilding would be solved by reading Infinite and the Divine
Robert Rath has done more for the Necrons than pretty much any other author in the history of 40k and it's astounding he's also the lead writer and historian for Extra History xD
I’ve written for Warhammer Fantasy Role Play and Warhammer 40k Imperium Maledictum and I have to say all those connections Red was bringing up are some of my favourite things when doing the research for both settings! Though I’d never thought of them in terms of Warhammer Fantasy world being more badass since they’ve been holding off a chaos rift this whole time. This makes my Lizardmen/Eldar loving heart happy.
Just want to say thank you for the work you put into writing for them! Been running about two separate I.M. games with friends and we all are having a blast!
@ oh my work on IM was very minor, just some setting descriptions in the starter set, but the Cubicle 7 team are incredibly devoted to the quality of their work and it’s always a blast writing for them. Glad you’re having fun with the game!
Blue with sword: perishes
Blue with a gun: KNIFES LIKE HE GREW UP ON CATACHAN
Damn, I want Red to do a Trope Talk video on the Super Soldier trope.
Emperor protects! hope blue liked all the domes
The reason the Warhammer world isn't a full on daemon world is because the elves did a ritual that drained most of the chaos energy into a vortex on the isle of death.
The Emperor is definitely still alive. He had a conversation with Gulliman and everything.
Ignore that said conversation was mostly Big E trying to pull himself together enough to give a coherent order and still left Guilliman with possible brain damage.
"Buy this squad for $30" $30 for a whole squad of anything? That's a hell of a deal these days LOL
Last time I was this early, those Tyranids hadn't been exploded yet! 😂😂😂
"The Codex Astartes does not support this action."
"WELL I CAN'T READ!!!!"
We seriously getting Warhammer 40K on this channel?
I cannot offer enough of my support for this
I need a blue architecture breakdown of this game
You know i always thought they were siblings, but they are just good friends so this is goals
22:24 You may enjoy learning of the Order Fenestrus, a whole army of of warrior nuns whose only job is to take care of the Imperium’s stained-glass windows. Yes, this is real (and recent!) official 40k lore.
Source: Codex Adepta Sororita, 9th edition, pg. 39.
Very nice oversimplified.
Sister Red,
Brother Blue,
FOR THE EMPEROR !
I love how unimpressed red is with the imperium of man
To be fair to Red, the idea that Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k are connected was only disproven as of 2015 (according to my research) which would have been well after she had stopped playing so just because she’s simply too ancient and antediluvian doesn’t mean she’s wrong, just some old ways of thinking.
Wtffffff its like you guys are my spirit animals... I start getting into 40k like a year ago on a random algorithm rabbit hole and now that I'm fully invested you guys are dropping 40K content... Love you both! Say hi to the rest of the colors 😂
7:38 I CARE ABOUT IT RED, YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
The Eldar is the faction I have an army of, and I love my f’d up space elves. (I do not play anymore because it is very expensive)
“Have you ever heard the tragedy of darth…. I mean, the Horus heresy, its not a story the imperium would tell you”
Man if they think titus isnt allowed to nap they gotta hear about poor dante
10:49 Fun fact, in the End Times it was revealed that the Bretonnians leader, the 'Lady of the Lake' was the Elven Goddess of magic the whole time, raising them to be basically a buffer state for the elves
15:23 Adeptus Estates, scions of the God-Realtor of Mankind
"went from being biology to physics" is a fantastic line
God I love Red's reaction to seeing an armourium cherub.
I can’t wait for an animated short from this.
Don't worry Red, I too have the great curse of being an Eldar simp
Hell yeah OSP 40k!
edit: Also at 22:45 that is a Cherub, and if youre thinking "wait isnt that like a baby angel with wings" well you got the baby part right...lol
40k and Fantasy being in the same universe is definitely a fun theory, but is pretty much fully disproved by Age of Sigmar being a thing. Warhammer Fantasy is at most a parallel universe connected to 40k by the warp that happens to have some weird overlap, especially since the new Elf gods in AoS have managed to fully jail Slaanesh
OSP and 40K? By the Emperor and the All-Father, I am going to need popcorn!
This glorious content pleases the Emperor, who’s definitely not just a skeleton on the golden throne brother
Blue. You can combine the Lego Colosseum and 40k minis to have gladiatorial combat!
36:27 also, because I’m a Necron player, that’s I think the Necrontyr, space Egyptians if you couldn’t tell by the not hieroglyphs and Aten. Who become the Necrons, terminator space Egyptians, through the C’tan.
80 Minutes of OSP? PRAISE THE EMPEROR!!!
There have been warp grumblings that future dlc may or may not include certain soulless guys.
I thought the title said Exploring and not exploding, and thought they were gonna analyze Tyranids as a species and their narrative role. While this video is still very fun you guys should do that. Seems like it’d be a really fun Detail Diatribe.
You really want to fight the Orks? Definitely play the first Space Marine game. It’s the most British clash imaginable. British military vs all of the soccer hooligans.
I like that they think the Space Wolves are the edgy loners and then pick the Raven Guard
Well fought, Brother Sarcasticus, you gave those filthy Xenos a fine taste of the Emperor’s justice
Space Marine: *Screaming*
Another Space Marine: *Screaming*
Terminids: WTF is happening?
love to see something i have 0 context on but know of tangentially being deeply enjoyed by the folks i'm watching
4:46 I don’t know anything about Magenta other than what she revealed in the “TTRPGs that aren’t DnD” video, but somehow her being a ‘nids player seems extremely on-brand
Commander Farsight is pretty much a good guy, but he’ll probably succumb to the chaos.
Still, I really like the Tau.
Also the Salamanders are good green bois.
Farsight has been dealing with Khorne trying to tempt him for like 300 years at this point and he's still not having any of it. it ain't happening.
Up until you’re a protesting factory worker.
Red plays the refugees from an empire that murder-banged a Chaos god into existence.
29:00 also they where in the last game and that runs a risk of being too much like the first game, which the game is already doing by reusing the McGuffin from the first game. They also switched to Tsyche because last game was Korne and they've overused Nurgle lately, so it's Tsyche or Slanesh
29:31 Red, there are good guys in Warhammer now!
The Tau have a splinter group led by a Commander Farsight who realised the Tau government was evil so he secceeded from it.
He & his mech anime cast do nothing but defend their little utopian enclave from the Tau and the other threats of the Galaxy. Although on the last novel he had a super powered evil side dilemma.
They are playable subfaction
Never thought Red would know so much about Warhammer in spite of not liking Grim Dark. This franchise literally coined the term of the genre she doesn’t like.
Warhammer may have coined the phrase Grimdark, but it has pretty much always been a parody of the concept (though maybe not always intentionally). It's hard to take the galaxy-spanning turbo-fascist empire seriously when the bureaucracy catastrophically fail literally everything they do in every story, and 90% of the protagonists are either mostly reasonable people who eventually succeed or cartoonishly over-the-top psychopaths.
@@KamilDrakari I disagree. On most of those points actually and it hasn’t been a satire or parody for a long time now. Just because it has moments of levity doesn’t mean it’s not Grim Dark. Otherwise it all plateaus and loses its edge. Besides that considering all the logistics involved with a civilization as large and turbulent as the Imperium it’s pretty reasonable that the bureaucracy is a labyrinthian nightmare. Just trying to get an accurate date of events is hard on a galactic scale because years and days are different from planet to planet and warp travel has a bunch of screwy time stuff involved. Sometimes you can accidentally be gone for 100 years in a 20 second flight. Then theirs people like Cain who have been declared dead only to show up again later and now theirs a bunch of paperwork to go through and retract. Commissar Cain has been declared dead so many times that official record keepers have given up and just declared him MIA permanently.
25:01 this is funny because in the previous game where we got to see titus’ traumatic backstory firsthand. He had this little bitch named leandros whining in his ear about the codex astartes aaalllllll the god emperor damn time
There is the Farsight Enclave in regards to a 'good' side in 40k. They splintered away from the rest of the Tau empire and are the closest you can get to a heroic faction. They're still a military dictatorship but their leader is a relatively cool dude and is fighting against the corruption of the Ethereals.
Who may or may not be corrupted by Khorne.
So horribly we couldn’t get the best dubstep ancient space robot Egyptians
I love how red and blue talk shit about titus, but leave out the one cutscene where he DOES speak about his past lmao
They also comment on how he didn't salute Gadriel and Chairon, despite he doing an "I was wrong, am sorry, and thank you, boys" to his squad just a couple minutes before in-game. I know commentary + being engaged is difficult, but COME ON
17:30 clearly poor red hasn’t read the new 40K psychic rules…
Somebody probably already said it, but Leandros is the guy from your team in the first game that got you arrested and put through 100 years of nearly dying in the Death Watch.
The whole warhammer fantasy rant from red is even funnier if you know the lore for age of sigmar, which exists because warhammer fantasy GOT FUDGING NUKED BY CHAOS. Killing all the elf (wait no copyrightable names) alef god got killed, and one of the new gods (morathi) is literally just pretending to be khaine so that she can have a murder cult.
Akso they aren't connected, because AoS slaanesh is in prison, and the great horned rat became the 5th chaos god.
SUCK IT BELAKOR! Getting cucked in two settings at once.
Also @25:08 y'all don't seem to have played the first one, so...yeah, this is probably first time we see Titus display anything that could be construed as "Character Development" it's a pretty important scene. you poke fun, but yes, that is exactly what happened.
40:11 red getting baited by the tomb world. I also wanted to fight the necrons
8:30 You forget that Warhammer Fantasy was killed off years ago thanks to the warp portal, then reborn as Age of Sigmar. Also Slanesh is currently Imprisoned by Age of Sigmar Elves so I just guess fantasy elves are just stronger than space elves. Although they are gonna be so pissed if they ever get out so it may be passing the buck.
To be fair, it was because it was their least popular and profitable format by a wide margine(it hadn't yet gotten the Virmintide/Total Warhamer push). And thankfully the setting is basically being expanded again..... as Age of Sigmar's 30K, but still.
Other difrences are Great Horned Rat is now 5th Chaos God/substitute 4th. Gork and Mork have fused into a 2 headed monstrosity, and Sigmar is Best Buds with a Space Dragon
The reason that Titus is an asshole to his squadmate is that his last squadmate (leandros) betrayed him and committed him to 100 years of torture.
Not a video I was expecting, but I love it.
You have no idea how happy I am to see this combination of entertainment