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How to Set a Fence Post the Easy Way
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Not a minute into the video and already learned a cool tip. (taping the levels to the post). TYVM!
you COULD just run 3-4-5 but ok .. guess people want the "winging it measurement" :D
They make a tool specifically for this. It's 2 levels built into a corner bracket. They're like 10 bucks at harbor freight. If you're planning on setting more than one post in your lifetime you should pick one up. Game changer.
Father & Son never really go out of style. Thx for posting.
The major thing to remember is that the hole needs to be deeper and smaller in diameter than what you would use for quick set concrete otherwise the foam product will not have sufficient compressive strength and thus will move laterally. Also if you have soft soil it might be better to use concrete. The other thing to be careful of is the foam getting under the bottom of the post and lifting it out of the ground as it expands.
allanpennington just use concrete
Just use compacted dirt. In the end the dirt is all that is holding it in place. Concrete just makes the post a bigger diameter.
Concrete on fence posts gets confused with foundation piers. But the concrete is used completely differently.
Foundation is the key word there. Concrete is for foundation piers. Concrete around fence posts usually just collects water around the base and the post rots off.
@@ecospider5 That bigger diameter is a huge factor in keeping the post straight. Similar to how a 1 floor house needs a different foundation than a 3 floor home with the same square footage
If you have soft soil maybe pour some large stone gravel in right after the solution instead of using concrete.
I used this message yesterday to put in a 6x6 post for an antenna. Worked like a charm. Taping the two levels was a brilliant idea. You are absolutely the best contractor demonstrating how to do jobs in a practical and realistic manner. Thanks so much!
message - I meant method
Been using it for years! #1 tip is when digging the hole, don't make it like a funnel (with the surface wide and bottom narrow). If you do, the foam will literally push itself up and out of the hole. Other than that, the stuff works flawlessly.
I use this at work frequently. If you drill a few holes through the base of the post your working on, it really bites down hard. It works well on wood, fiberglass, and metal, but it's really funky with PVC. I think there's some sort of chemical reaction against a PVC pole to cause the foam to not grab on. We generally sleeve a 2x4 in a PVC pole and lag bolt it with numerous holes to allow the foam to bite down.
Just my experience with this product.
Good to know.
Thanks for the tips!
Concrete doesn’t bond that well to pvc either. I’ve built a lot of pvc fences, and the posts can often be pulled up out of the “slug” as we call the concrete around it in the hole. Not sure if it is the slick surface of the pvc or the fact that concrete shrinks slightly when it cures or maybe a little of both. Or there could be something more to it. 🤷♂️
@@fomoco300k maybe because pvc needs the chemical reaction before it can truly bond to another material for an airtight connection (like when you’re gluing 2 pvc pipes together).
@@fancythisgirl3 maybe...
Spray foam insulation grips pvc quite well. Definitely chemical bonding there. I have no idea without looking it up what kind of foam is used in the post setting foam mix. There’s nothing in concrete that would bond with a slick dense surface like pvc or aluminum. That’s definitely the most likely reason there. Don’t have any personal experience with the foam, although I have been on job sites where it was being used.
As for the pvc to pvc bond used in plumbing, it is a chemical weld caused by dissolving the pvc itself. Threaded and compression and o-ring fittings are also used, but they’re all mechanical bonds like the concrete to pvc would be.
Probably a good question for the chemical experts that make the product.
Either way, it’s a caveat to be aware of.
Imagine if you had poured in that second bag, that would have been hilarious to watch!😂😂
been like the foam that ate the great white north... eh?
Was hoping to see that! lol
Ngl I was looking forward to it
I was wondering what would happen if I put this stuff in my neighbor’s tail pipe
I was thinkin' solid support to the roof-line.
I haven't used this exact product but a similar more industrial one that came in 2 parts each in 1 gallon jugs. Mixing a few ounces each for each post at a time, I used them on around 100 ft of my fence I built just over 4 years ago. It is still standing strong with no issues. To those who say it isn't as strong as Cement, you're right and that's the appeal. We just had a huge downward slope wind storm here where I live in September, 80+ mph gusts. Guess the only fence still standing in the neighborhood? Yup mine. It did flex and move in the wind where the rigid Cemented posts in the rest of the neighborhood broke right at the cement. Cement will allow water in and rot them. We do live in a place with a lot of snow in the winter and 100°+ in the summer, so freeze and thaw has not been a issue. I'm not saying this exact product is great because I've not used it, but this type of product is a great alternative to Cement and better in most cases.
Actually, I watched some engineering tests on this stuff. In EVERY application it exceeded cement; in EVERY condition. In bursting tests, it exceeded cement in EVERY condition. Look here on utube for the tests.
That's why you should add gravel under the post and around the bottom of the posts so that the water can drain through the gravel and into the dirt under the post without building up around the post to rot it out. Idk why ppl don't use gravel before adding concrete.
If you don’t mind me asking, what product did you use?
@@IMABIGKIDNOWW I believe I used the Secure Set brand but it's been so long ago now I can't remember the exact brand
@@dickmesserly4331 thank you! that actually exactly what I ordered the other day. Happy to hear the positive review!
"I don't know why I'm here", walks away and tapped his dad's shoulder. Perfect 😂
he was helpful, come on :))
It's nice to see these kind of videos rather than a TH-camr pretending they're perfect because they can control what they show.
Thank you for your videos! As a DIYourselfer my whole life I’ve made the plunge into home renovation and am on my third major project. Without your videos I couldn’t have gotten here. Keep up the good work!
I used similar product when i did my fence about 6 years ago. It worked great. However for the part where i put the gate, i used cement for four posts. Just to be on safe side with extra weight of large gate.
used this to set the post for my mail box, it takes longer in colder weather. but still works great!
I’ve used it to repair my fence and replaced a couple of posts using this product, it’s quite amazing how quickly it sets (and fun to watch for the kids too). Definitely easier than pouring concrete!
Cheers Gabriel
Need to know if it can last 10 + years?
I'd be interested to see how you used this to repair a fence ... a leaning post?
@@DeeconYT I’ll tell you in 9.5 years ;) but so far so good
@@tedn2205 I had a couple of posts that became lose on the fence, so I took them out, and used this foam product to set the new posts, it is really easy to use, and the fence was back up very quickly. Strongly recommend
My neighbor and I used this to build 200' of fence last summer. The trick is to mix the bag until it starts to get warm, then you have about 3 seconds to cut and dump, and it expands and sets in the advertised 3 minutes.
It's exactly the same as those foam packing bags. Honestly, I'd be surprised if it's a different formula.
@@namAehT when jeff showed it it looks exactly the same...I have the small ones...and a part a and part b foam machine....they have my mix to support 100lbs of weight...
is this better than concrete?
@@lisawhipper832 1 for each post, 8' spacing
꧁ Tú Muy Bien ꧂ come on dude. There is no way this is better than concrete. Stick to tried and true
I first found out about this stuff on a Mike Holmes show. I used it for my mailbox post and it's worked excellently. I liked it so much I used it for the footings of a 32 foot ATV bridge I built out in my woods across a vernal pool. It's solid and those footings are under water two seasons a year.
Used that stuff for a mailbox post it was quick easy and held the post really firmly. I was impressed
Just in cease you care I bought that stuff with my own money. not a paid for deal. cheers!
People don’t need to lecture you. Wish they would just share their experiences
Love watching you thank you
I've used this sika post mix. I don't recommend using it on corners. It is not even close to as strong as concrete. Wears out pretty fast.
Sika has some very innovative products but this one is by far my favorite. I wouldnt use it for a gate but most other posts for sure.
I’ve used this product and was really happy with it until the freeze and thaw of winter. The next spring it had lost a lot of its stability.
I have used it and solid as a rock in a couple of minutes. Definitely need to mix it through the whole bag.
Love you videos.
That was honest and interesting. Entertaining too.
Did my whole fence about three years ago with this. Its awesome.
Still holding up? I’m thinking about using it for the fence I’m putting in this fall
how's it holding up?
I used this recently at a job and was able to do two posts with one bag. I love this stuff. When compared to the cost of concrete it’s about the same when two posts are filled with one kit.
May I know the depth and dimension of the hole you dig and the lumber size please. Thank you.
Used a similar product about 5-6 years ago. It is still holding up great.
This video doesn't even need commentary, it holds up on its own.
Just wanted to say, THANK YOU so much… for your DIY for Beginners playlist. I’m a newbie when it comes to home maintenance or repairs, it’s a bit overwhelming. 😅 There must be thousands of DIY videos and the bulk of them, are way too long. Your videos though… get straight to the point and are the perfect length of time.
Please do a followup on how it holds up.
I agree. I was looking into this product for my 55+ fence post project coming up next year. What I saw was after a few days the foam can shrink up causing the post to be loose.
I'd read that you only want to use it in arid places. Places with moderate to heavy rain totals, the foam will float and ruin your fence????
I am very interested in the follow up!
@@MikeCampbell12 I've heard that also. There's a video review here in TH-cam of that happening.
@@MikeCampbell12 ok thank you because I was going to try it.
A few additional words of advice for the diy’ers ,
1- get a 90 degree fence post level , it will make levelling the post easier .
2- tie a plum string from your house down the line of your intended posts so that you can square them all to the plum string as you set them .
3- use 6x6 posts so that your fence lasts forever, 4x4’s will deteriorate within 25 years.
Cheers 🍻
One thing I like about the sika post is that the closed cell foam seals the wood from the moisture. I also agree that anchoring the post is almost a necessity with this stuff.
That's great. Now all the moisture in the post that wicks in from the bottom and top will only make the post wet wet wet instead of EXTRA wet wet wet. ;-)
@@SomeDumUsrName I'm not sure about that, otherwise why do the PostSaver sleeves work well? The part of the post in the ground is going to be wet no matter what, but if you can keep the area slightly below/above grade sealed off from moisture/oxygen, they say it prevents rot.
Used the foam 7 years ago on a six foot fence. The posts have never moved lived through 7 Winnipeg winters.
It’s only 2 feet in the ground. Never use cement or 1/4 down again
When you say 2 feet, do you mean the top of foam is 2 feet below the ground? Or the bottom of the foam is 2 feet down?
Thanks for this video. I’m having trouble carrying bags of cement and wasn’t sure about this stuff. Between your video and others comments I feel confident I should try this stuff
I've used this replacing several fence posts and it's amazing. also, there are some videos out there that compare concrete vs foam, and the foam wins every test. great video.
Cool, thanks!
I doubt that
@@_Schwartz have you watched those videos?
I used a similar product on a mailbox years ago. It worked very well, but after a few years, the foam started to break down and I reset the pole with concrete.
thanks to know
makes sense, moisture activated soil, like rust, never sleeps
Made one side of my fence in 2017 and a other one in 2019. 10' aluminum post in 4-5' deep hole and still holding strong (with Canada winter). (~15-18 post)
I must say that I mixed it a little "harder" and my post where braced so I didn't had to hold them straight
I used aluminum posts 7.5ft, deep hole 1.5ft, and 6ft above the ground and very strong so far. I painted all the pickets and I hope my fences will last for long time.
What happened if it does shrink? Your fence will be dancing with the Stars....
Holmes is an awesome person. I love watching his shows and I learn alot.
I did think his endorsement video was a little disingenuous though. His competition was mixing concrete by hand. A better comparison, and a closer price match is against quick no-mix fence and post concrete
I'm 100 years old next month and going to try this stuff putinng up 10 panels thnaks Jim well somedays I feel 100
Does the thing wrong, goes to get a second thingy, in the middle of doing the second thingy - "WAIT A MINUTE nvm whoops lol maybe it'll work anyway"
Can we get more of the Jeff + Matt in general. Especially awkward small talk while waiting for things to set.
This is easily my favorite video, so relatable, I'm dying 🤣
Matt - "should I spin it...?"
Jeff - "NO?!?!"
Jeff - "ok let's just leave it alone"
Matt - immediately moves to poke it "I'm just poking at it"
Jeff - "LOOK MATT IT WORKS!"
Matt - after staring off into space for while "...I don't know why I'm here." bounces.
What happened to "money in the bank"??
i saw Joe Everest do this on his site and he hated it BUT the manufacturer advised him that he should put dirt on top when it is expanding to force it more OUT than UP.....it made a major difference in the setting of the post....
We put up a new fence a couple of years ago and used Fencefins fence anchoring system. A lot of digging but worth it as our fence hasn't moved. Posts are solid and there is no concrete or chemicals in the ground.
Seems like the most important point might have been over looked. Make sure the post hole is deep enough to get below the frost line. If not, the freeze/thaw will heave the post regardless of the product used.
Your always giving me great tips.Heres one for you.I use a post level/spirit level to level .It attaches to each side of the post.Makes life a bit easier.
We used one of ‘these’ foam kits for our posts! “MIX really well❣️” ( ✅They expand and hold the post ‘solid’ until the foam sets up and ‘shrinks’ when hardened⁉️) The ‘post hole is expanded by the foam and becomes loose after setting up? *Concrete is ‘still’ more efficient!!*
Jeff I’ve put so many posts in the ground this year... cool video... tell your son to quit smoking... you two are cool Canadians 🇺🇸
You boys are cut. Funny. Entertaining and down to earth. Love it💜
Don't knw how well this workd -- and lasts.
I just use 10--lb bags of Ready-Mix concrete from Lowe's. Be sure it is Ready-Mix, meaning just pour a couple of bags in the hole, around the post after positioning the pole.
Just water in -- not too much or too little water, based on judgement and experience. It does take longer to "set up" than this stuff on the video -- maybe 10 minutes,
Just check and set the level after watering -- on adjacent sides of the pole. -- and brace or just hold it a couple of minute as the mix hardens.
Actually seems easier to be easier -- and way more rugged -- to just use Ready-Mix. .
I'm a lineman we use something similar for back filling holes for our poles. The better you mix it the faster it rises and hardens....works faster in the summer too lol
darn instructions....got me again!!!
Just used this for my DIY fence. Had to use two bags and mix a little longer since it seems to be less reactive in colder weather. Turned out great and seems to be holding all 11 posts quiet well, even in this clay. Been about 2 months since and no issues.
Cheers Dane!
my step brother used this 3 years ago for his fence, and he had to redo some post because of the wind 3 years later, that time with concrete :)
Can I get a follow-up review?
@@Poppacap79 still holding up perfect! no complaints. be careful setting them though, you really wanna make sure your posts stay in place while that foam expands and sets. its own expansion may move your post around. which is why I have one post with a lean... I was holding them by hand while it set, bad idea. but it's sturdy as hell!
southeast Michigan - a lot of clay, and weather all over the place.
@@SullyKiwi a year later and you are quick! Much appreciated.
I have used the Sika product before, but I only use it for smaller repairs...I like it, mostly because I can do the whole repair in one day...you can do the same with quickset, but this stuff is way less bulky...I really like it.
Thanks for sharing the video.
Any chance of a follow up to this product? Some reviews have showed the foam pulling away from the post hole walls over time, creating a loose post.
Welcome to TH-cam where a guy doing something for the very first time can post the video as a tutorial.
I used this today on my fence - it's expensive - but it worked out really well - dried quickly - seemed pretty strong too.
COST HOW MUCH?
Your channel has been awesome, first time I have seen your son in one of them. A real treat seeing you with your boy,stay safe🙏🏻❤️
I live in Louisiana- hurricane country. Feel like I need to stick w/concrete. 🤷🏽♂️
This is probably the best and most entertaining home Reno show out
Putting some 3" screws in the post at the bottom hanging out half way will help keep the post rigid.
“Cancer stick” Like how you slipped that in. Dad first, teacher second! Well done!
😂
I set 32 posts using secure set foam stuff worked great fence has been up for 5 years now
This is the channel I come to to see how to do something.. Always informative THank you
A new video to see a new way to do something. I live in Florida, very sandy soil, wonder how the product would work.
Instead of holding it there, just nail on 2 pieces of wood and let them hold it level before you even pour in the foam. It's actually just a 1 person job, I put up a whole fence by myself.
Good how to video. Just a comment on your comment on Mike Holmes. He is certainly not a celebrity flogging new product. Mike Holmes is a very well respected contractor carpenter. Companies go to him to ask him to try new products. Once he has proven it for himself that is is a good product he may then allow that company to put his name on it as Holmes approved. Mike is all about doing it right and is always on the side of the consumer
I see a bunch of benefits of this...1-light weight and easy to carry versus cement mix, 2-dont have to use water or mix or get dirty with dust, 3-much faster, 4-easy application/set-up, thanks for showing this.
It also doesn't rot like concrete will.
@7:14……..”I don’t even know why I’m here”😂😂😂😂😂
I like how you showed us your confused face! Also, your son walks like you do! Thanks for the video.
I love it that even Jeff yells at his son when building something together. This has been an essential step in any father son project. lol
also caught the cancer stick line!
How solid is it after a few days? I've seen another video where this stuff shrank away from the hole sides and the post after two days, leaving the posts quite wobbly.
thank you for the idea for home made spirit level
I saw a guy kneel and "floss" the bag from side to side across his shin bone so that the contents moved from one side of the bag to the other. he did that for like 15 sec and poured, big instant reaction and solid in a few minutes. thanks for the electric tape/level tip!!!
What is the advantage of foam a chemical product introduced to the ground versus concrete. Concrete is much more solid and lasting.
Love the poke on Mike Holmes
Thanks so much for this. We are considering using this product.
You guys are great. Really unrehersed and refreshing 🤪👍.
You guys are great. Easy to watch and listen to.
Wrap the post with a cut-up plastic soda bottle (or aluminum foil) before pouring the liquid foam. That keeps the post nice and clean when you remove the plastic or foil later!!
thanks for the help
A pole level works great too
*mixes for about 7 seconds* Ok that should be 20 seconds 😂👌
You guys are so cute. Love the video. I ma give this a go to when we add our fence in our front yard. Thank you for this video
I have been using cans of Great Stuff to do this application for years..
*Legend goes it’s still setting to this day*
*Should’ve nailed level to stakes*
o OH! i know this one the ultimate easy way! hire someone!
yeah... that wiggle doesn't feel like concrete solid. and I've tested it in my soil. WIND TOOK IT DOWN once we had other fence posts in with full blind covers. maybe if all you need is a "cow fence " like fences that prevent cows and humans across. but yeah. doesn't go well with a solid structure between fences, wind will wiggle them out.
Cool. Though I do wonder about how that stuff stand up over time. Seems like something you definitely wouldn't want breaking down and getting into your drinking water.
I use this stuff almost everyday to set poles for satellite dishes, it's great
And can be carried with 2 fingers.
We used this product years ago to install Satelite dash poles. Worked great. Especially in the winter. All by pressure. Just don’t get the stuff on you😎
I haven't set a post in concrete in about 20 years. I use the soil compaction method.
You must work with rocky soil or clay, because you are probably not doing that in sand?
Excellent presentation!
We used this stuff to set power poles down in DC area. First time using it the reaction took a while so we added a second bucket and you can only imagine the chaos that quickly came after😂 the reaction times differ with the temperature. Also don’t get this stuff on clothes or in beards lol
Love the humor. 🤣👏👏👏
Mine took a few minutes to react in the hole. Worked pretty ok
Classic father / son video! Lol.
Great channel. Really good to watch, keep it up!
Used that stuff roughly 7 years ago to set a metal clothes line, was good for 3 years, then had to break it apart and use concrete
Why?
yes, why?
@@impulsepdr2175 dont wanna make same mistake.
@@queenreporter I hear ya.
@@impulsepdr2175 why did u break it apart?
Thanks for this tip. It was funny to watch too.
Tried it for a retaining wall I built. It was NOT sturdy enough for that. Would just go for something like Quikrete instead unless you're not really worried about a little wobbling.
Like it when the family is there to help. Like the interaction between you and your sons.
Well yeah the use foam to set street lights and seal up large ground openinfs
I used this foam mix because i had to replace 3 posts... Next strong wind we got, well guess which ones gave way... Yep, the foam ones... Nothing like concrete..
I hear that stuff contracts after a day or so and does not hold as tight as concrete