True Story of The Mamas and The Papas | Documentary Untwisting the Misinformation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- Sex, Drugs, Rock 'n' Roll and the history of The Mamas and Papas, the '60s vocal group that brought us hits like "California Dreamin'" and "Monday Monday!"
John Phillips, Denny Doherty, Michelle Phillips and Mama Cass Elliot made up the lineup of this legendary band that gained success in Los Angeles, California. Michelle was newer to music, but the others had come from bands like The Journeymen, The Halifax 3, and The Mugwumps.
I address the story of Cass Elliot's death and the rumor about the ham sandwich, The New Mamas and The Papas from the '80s, info about each album and much more!
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Mama Cass’s Daughter Reveals The Truth About Her Life And Death - Chynna Phillips Baldwin
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Denny was the cousin of a schoolmate of mine. Met him numerous times at Rita's house. Saw the Mamas & Papas playing in Halifax. Enjoyed their music.
Thank you for sharing your story, Nancy!
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@@SeansMusicHunt : Bonjour ! Puisque tu es un Maître dans ta belle spécialité, il te sera facile de me donner le N° de téléphone de la belle Michelle Phillips, mais celle de 1967 et non celle de 2024. Merci d'avance, Shawn.
*** Good morning ! Since thou art a Master in thy fine specialty, it wilt be easy fer thee tae gimme the telephone number o' the beautiful cutie hottie Holly Michelle Gilliam, but the one from 1967 an' nae the one from 2024. Thanks in advance, Shawn.
I love reading stories about how people saw these bands years ago.
This is PERFECT!! I can't really think of anything you've missed out.
Apart from Michelle turning up at Susie's door and telling her "Get out of town, John's mine!" And Susie telling her there's a "Michelle" in every town John visits lol x
Hmm.. I remember replying to this comment but I guess it didn't go through. I remember reading that story and enjoying it. Haha. Thank you very much for watching and commenting! I really appreciate you!
Then his own daughter became his Michelle. Mackenzie Phillips was sexually abused by him.
Yes. I somewhat mention that at the end of the video. But not fully verbally
It's a sad situation all around. Too much bad drugs
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In an era of excruciating AI documentary renditions on TH-cam on all manner of subjects (you know the ones ... random photos constantly recycled, no proper thread, the giveaway of an AI voiceover but no presenter... kind of like written by a robot with dementia), THIS mini documentary stands out like a shining star. THANK YOU for doing this band justice and providing us with a concise yet thorough exploration of their story and their music. Fantastic work!
Thank you so much! Glad you appreciated it!
I am greatly impressed by how much research you did to put this video together. There are multiple stories you tell that I recognized from Mackenzie Phillips book, johns daughter, “high on arrival.”
It was a lot of work indeed and I'm so glad you appreciate it! Thank you very much for watching and hopefully you'll use my channel to learn about some other fantastic groups!
I love how, throughout the video, Sean is fangirling about his cat
Heero is the absolute best!!!!
Thank you for watching And noticing my true love!
That was an impressive compilation of The Mamas and the Papas history. They certainly are a great sound & the band members were quite a soap opera. I'm going to listen to Dancing Bear 🐻 now 🎶 thanks Sean!
Thank you for watching, mom.
I keep wondering why TH-cam won't stop showing me this comment and It is because I replied with my other account. Haha. Oh well, the more comments, the better.
one of my favorite bands to listen to! A shame they weren’t together for longer.
Why I am so loving it when I am half the world apart and born 50 years after it was ever sung
I'm in the same boat. Though I'm older than you I'm guessing. Thanks for appreciating the oldies but googies!
The Music Box at the end of Deliver is actually Michelle calling the name of their dog. She’s not saying waiter though it sounds like that. Owen Elliott’s father was Chuck Day. He was a musician that played on some of the group’s studio albums.
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@@derekllewellyn6663 WHAT??
Denny is my grandpa it’s crazy to think about
That's cool. Did you know him?
thank you so much for this video! i’ve been obsessed with the mamas and the papas for the past few months and I learned so many new tid bits from this! Dancing bear is also one of my fav songs by them!
Thanks for watching! I'm glad it was helpful to you! Dancing Bear will always be a unique and excellent piece. Loooove it. Thank you again!
WOW!! This is great. I've been a fan of the group since just before PEOPLE LIKE US came out. You've presented the story with true interest AND kept the style sort of cut and dry. That's a hard trick to pull off, but you did - and thank you. If you know anything about drug culture and hormones, you can pretty much figure out what happened behind the scenes. Denny, Cass, John and Michelle were all massive talents. Their downfall was having the money to pay for their temptations. Liked and subscribed Mr. Sean!!
Hi Mark! So glad to meet you! Thank you for subscribing and watching a couple of my videos. I really appreciate the comments and the kind words!
That Mamas and the Papas video was a lot of work, but I feel my video tells the story faster and more accurately than any other video I've found on the subject. I maybe have gotten a minor detail or two wrong but for the most part I'm very proud of the video and I'm so glad you got enjoyment out of it!!! Thanks again!
You are correct about too much money contributing to very bad habits. But from what I have read and heard when the $$ runs out, they just find other ways to carry on with those habits.
Kudos to Sean for this gem. Love hearing and learning about all these bands and the folks that make them up. Amazing work
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words!
Denny went on to have a successful children’s show shot in his hometown of Halifax, Nova Scotia, called Theodore Tugboat.
Indeed. I watched a bit of it. Wish I had mentioned it at the end of the video. Thank you for watching and commenting!
such detail! You really seem to do your research. I'm from that era and remember thinking that Michelle Phillips along with a young Stevie Nicks, a few years later were the most beautiful women on the music scene. With special mentions to Linda Ronstadt and Gracie Slick. That was a great era. Thanks for making this.
Thank you so much for watching! I haven't really listened to much Linda yet but everytime someone shares a picture of her I pause and think "whoa, who is this beauty?!"
Thank you for taking the time and trouble to do this, I loved it!
Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I appreciate it very much!
Excellent documentary. I appreciated your research and goal of accuracy amid all the contradicting stories, instead of just reporting the most sensational versions.
I appreciate you watching! Thank you so much!
A toast to you sir !!! Working hard educating the world on great music keep up the good work.
A toast to you, the incredible, Johnny Ryall!
thanks for watching all the way through and commenting! I hope you enjoyed it!
My first skate video used their song California Dreaming- back in the early 90s, when I was riding World Industries.
I wish I could get my hands on the VHS tape, and others we(skate crew) made during our years at Key West High
Sounds like a fun time! Thank you for sharing, my friend!
Mama Cass, brought class and grit to the group. Never underestimate a sure thing.
Mama Cass was amazing for sure. Crazy history of John keeping her out.. Sorry for the lateness of my reply. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I know I’m two years late but this is an awesome video man. You clearly put a lot of time, work, and research into this. Thank you!
Thank you so much! Never too late for a compliment that will encourage me to stop being lazy and make more videos!
I've watched a couple of videos on the Mamas & Papas ,This is the Best ......
Thank you so much, Wolfman! That's really nice of you to say and I really appreciate it!!! Thanks for checking out my channel! You rock, man! I like your Gab group too!
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Central players/personalities in the whole Laurel Canyon 60's DRUG scene.
VERY close assoCIAation w/ the Manson murders.
Weird Scenes inside the Canyon explains it all very well.
This was fascinating! Glad I found you! ❤ this group! Thank you
Thanks so much for watching and leaving a lovely comment! I actually replied to this before but for whatever reason it didn't work..
Love all the research and work you put into this! Amazing job.
Love your kitty 😺 ❤
Thank you so much! I appreciate you watching and leaving kind words! My baby is the best!!!!!
Really loved this video and would love a follow up video in the future of some of the stuff you didn't get to in the video but touched upon at the end
Noted sir. I'll keep that in mind and will likely do that at some point now that it is requested! I appreciate you watching and I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
I love these band histories. Keep em coming 👍
Thank you so much for watching! As long as I keep seeing the occasional encouragement from you and others, I assure you I'll keep going and doing my best to be accurate and resoectful
Man, you did a really fantastic job with this video. I just hit Like and Subscribe.
Thank you, Brandon! I appreciate you watching and leaving kind words. Makes me encouraged to make more!
You packed a lot into those 30 minutes!
Maybe too much! Thank you very much for watching! I'm glad you made it all the way through!
@@SeansMusicHunt It was worth the watch, good luck with the channel- keep posting well researched content like this and it will GROW!
Thank you very much! I have spent the last month studying a legendary filipino folk rock band called ASIN. I would love it if you check them out. I'm editing the video on then right now. They're fascinating. But I hope people will give them a chance... Thanks again!
@@SeansMusicHunt Living here in Scotland Filipino Rock doesn't feature on my radar much, but hey that's what the internet is for right? We can explore this world and beyond, broadening our horizons without even leaving the comfort of our bed! I'll check them out!
Thank you! I really hope you'll enjoy them! As far as I know, they have 0 fame outside of the Philippines, but they were massively popular and inspirational in the Philippines and people still do covers of their songs all the time. Thank you for subscribing! Hope to see you around more!
Thank you so much! You love them almost as much as I do! Haha Well done. I am forming a tribute band of Mamas and Papas in London
That's awesome! If I lived there I'd try to join you
Thank you so much for this! TMATP have always been one of my favorite bands! And Mama Cass has always been one of my favorite artists. And “Dancing Bear” has been one of my top favorites since I was first introduced to this amazing band! It’s too bad there was so much strife within it. BTW.... I luv your kitty!! He looks just like my late feline son! When he first came on screen, I said “Aaawwwwe look at that handsome boy!” The camera sure loves him! ❤❤❤
Yes. He is the most important little dude in my life. I'm horrible though and left him with roommates as I have been in the Philippines for over 3 months... 😭 Fortunately, he'll be back in my arms in about a week.. I miss him so much!!!
Thank you for watching my video! I've always loved this band too! Hope to see you around!
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Awwwe! Well soon you’ll be together again! ❤️ I know what you mean, my little kitty is my pride and joy, the apple of my eyes!
I know what you mean about roommates, I’ve had my fair share of them as well. It’s really hard to find people who you get along with to share housing. I hope you have a safe trip back home, I know your baby misses you, if he’s anything like my baby, just going to the corner market meets with, “WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?! My chin needs scratching!! “ lol 😆
Haha. Yes indeed. He follows me around the house everywhere. Plays all day and cuddles all night. He's going to be thrilled to see me
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Awwwwe! That is so sweet! My little sweetheart Samantha Jean does the very same thing!! Following me around and pestering me for treats, and telling me on no uncertain terms that it’s bed time!!
Many many years ago, I had my two babies,,,, the one who looks exactly like your boy,,, and I had his sister, Natassha. Well one day Natassha was having a hard time breathing, so the next day we took her to the vets. This was very very stressful for her, as she HATED HATED HATED the car.... There was NOTHING in this world she hated more. Even bath day was a sinche compared to having to go for a ride in the car. Well we got there and she was so stressed out she had a cardiac arrest and she passed away right there in my arms.... I fell to the floor sobbing and weeping. I returned home and picked up my boy and held him so close. After a while I turned on my CD player and the very first song that played was “No Salt On Her Tail” ..... “ ......This little bird,, she can fly away. No salt on her tail, no cage to make her stay.
It was like her soul singing to me, and ever since then that song is special and sacred. That’s Natassha’s song! 😓
Definitely going to subscribe! Happy a safe trip home!
@@Mr.EmeraldTheGreen I'm not sure how I missed your comment. But I made it home after some time in Korea. My kitty nuzzled against my face to tell me he loves me and is glad I'm home but then he got super mad and bit me to show me that he didn't appreciate me leaving. Haha. I love him. Now we're back to normal, he follows me around all day and cuddles all night. He's perfect
A lot of information indeed. I love this band’s history as well. You are right there are inconsistencies by even the band members themselves. If you have read John’s book “Papa John,” and Michelle’s book, “The Mamas and the Papas” they are inconsistent on the color of the car Lou Adler got them. Michelle said it was a White Buick convertible and John said it was black. Either way they named it Harold the Bleak.
I never heard of them all living in a one bedroom apartment. Upon arriving in LA broke and no where to go, Michelle claims they stayed for a while at Barry McGuire’s house. While McGuire did in fact get them an audition with Lou Adler, another source claims they showed up at the door of Jim “Hendricks” and his girlfriend, Vanessa’s house in Laurel Canyon. Yes that is the Jim Cass Elliot was married to. They didn’t stay there very long. The gas and electric had been turned off and Jim and Vanessa were getting evicted.
They then rented a suite at the famous Landmark Hotel, the hotel where Janis Joplin died 5 years later. The story goes that they checked into the Landmark in Sept 65. It was Cass’s Birthday and she cooked Duck A L Orange to celebrate. While Cass and John past out at the dinner table, Denny summoned Michelle out onto the Balcony. While Denny leaned against the next door over, they discovered it was not latched and opened. It was there that Denny and Michelle officially had an affair. Per Michelle, “on the wall to wall” There are also discrepancies over the car they drove to the Landmark. At any rate, it was stolen with most of their belongings according to Michelle. John said, it was a rented Mustang. Another source claimed it was one of Journeyman’s car. The credit card they used in St Thomas also belonged to the group, The Journeyman, not John’s personally.
They moved out of the Landmark and into a 2 bedroom house on Flores St also gotten by Lou Adler. That is the house where the bath tub cover was shot for “If you Can Believe you Eyes and Ears” They called it the Green House. It was a dark olive green and in need of repair. John and Michelle had one bedroom, Cass had the second bedroom and depending which source you believe, Denny slept in the dining room or porch. After John caught them flirting and found out about the affair back at the Land Mark, John and Michelle moved out. They bought or rented a one bedroom bungalow in Laurel Canyon. Michelle would live there mostly by herself. John moved into another home with Denny.
When John and Michelle reunited, they moved to a mansion in Bel Air. Denny bought a sizable home in Laurel Canyon once belonging to Mary Astor. Cass bought her second home in Laurel Canyon, the first on Stanley Hills, the second on Woodrow Wilson once belonging to Natalie Wood.
Cass did get hit on the head with some sort of piping at Duffy’s Acvordong to Michelle it did not change her vocal range and was a mere excuse of John’s to accept her into the group.
Thank you for the great comment and all the information here! It is likely that I will make a new version of this video in the future and perhaps I'd like to chat with you further.
Sorry for the lateness of my reply, I have been in The Philippines learning about a band here and have been super busy. I wanted to take the time to leave you a quality reply that addressed most of what you're talking about, but I feel I just keep putting it on the backburner and would like to at least thank you and say hello. Hope all is well with you. Thank you again for all this information! I spent way more time researching the Mamas and the Papas than I had expected, and though I very much enjoyed it, I get a more rewarding feeling from researching bands that are more obscure, so that is my focus right now. My next topic is a Filipino group called Asin, they are absolutely fascinating and basically everyone in the Philippines over the age of 25 is aware of them and their impact on the culture. Their songs were chanted in mass during their 1986 revolution. I had the honour of meeting the founding member and spending three days with him. That's what I was doing when you left this comment.
Thanks again! Cheers!
An excellent video of one of my favorite groups. Thanks. Excellent writing and video delivery. You did a great job.
Thank you John! I really appreciate you watching and leaving words!
Well Done! So glad I found this particular Documentary!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you found it too!
Great commentary and delivery!! Thanks for the mention…it was an amazing experience and I am always forever grateful for the opportunity. There are some videos out there that I know exist so if you every find them let me know . One thing….John Denny Spanky and me did 4 Queens October 1986, a UK tour November 1986 and a slew of American shows through to April 1987. Mackenzie returned and came in and out frequently so I was able to fill in the gap for her. There was always the “what papa will show up” question each time I went out but for the most part John didn’t make his exit until 1992. I don’t know why Wiki and other sources have him leaving earlier for his illness and ensuing liver transplant! I have pictures…many tour pics with each configuration…John Denny Spanky Laurie, John Scott Spanky Laurie, Denny Scott Spanky Laurie. It was a swinging door for sure!! I have a band “Laurie Beebe Lewis & The Electric Underground” which features music of the 60’s including songs of groups I performed with Mamas & Papas, Buckinghams and more! ❤
Thank you so much for this info about the "swinging door!" Must have been such an amazing experience!
Thank you for watching, subscribing and leaving an informative comment. It's possible I'll make a new version of this video some day that incorporates some of the info that I learned after creating it.
Your performance of "Dedicated to the One I Love" is wonderful.
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Thank you Sean!!!
thank you for the very well made video !
And thank you for appreciating it!
Good job!
Thank you so much!
Fantastic episode, done so well, thanks very much 👍😁👌
Thank you so much for watching and leaving kind words! I appreciate it very much!
This is really so good!! Your research is great! Respect
Thank you for watching, person! 😆 I appreciate you
Thanks for this very well done
Thank you for thanking me! Makes me feel I helped. Have a great day and thank you for watching!
You can tell a crap ton of research went in to this, job well done.
Thank you so much for watching, my incredibly talented friend!
Great doc! Thanks
I appreciate it Justine!
Great video brother! interesting story
great work my friend
Thanks a ton for watching and commenting!! 😁
Great video! I will definitely give them a listen.
Thanks for watching, Jordan!! You don't necessarily need to check them out. But for some excellent '60s pop, their first couple of albums are up there with some of the best.
I keep wondering why TH-cam won't stop showing me this comment and It is because I replied with my other account. Haha. Oh well, the more comments, the better.
Thank you ... for your time.
Thank you. These videos are tons of work and I often struggle to motivate myself because life offers so much and I can't study old music constantly. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video there’s a lot of stuff here that I wasn’t aware of 👍 🙏
Thank you! I'm glad you learned new things!!
Well done man. I find this band so interesting
Thanks you for watching Mike! They're definitely intriguing within and outside of the music
I agree, Tony Newton on bass (People Like Us) is great. I think it’s an underrated album just different from the earlier work.
There are so many bad reviews, but I like it. Thank you for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Great job!!!!
Thank you, Scott! I really appreciate you watching and commenting!
Good job Wayne
Party on Garth!
Excellent! So informative and accurate. I enjoyed your opinions about their albums too 👏 🎶 🇬🇧
Thank you so much for watching and leaving a kind comment, Collin! I really appreciate it! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video so thoroughly! I'm never sure if people want any of my opinions. But it feels more natural to speak from the heart instead of just telling the story.
Thanks again!
@@SeansMusicHunt If you have a strong opinion, go ahead and tell it and identify it as an opinion.
That's my opinion.
@@marthawelch4289 Totally agree with your opinion! And that's my opinion on that! Sorry for the lateness of my replies. busy work week
One of my all-time favorite vocal groups. Sadly they are very dysfunctional 😢😢😔😔
Indubitably. Thank you for watching and commenting!!?
PS-it’s nice that your Mama spoke up for you, too.
Haha. Thanks. Thank you for watching, Danny!
big MATP's fan...this was great!
Thank you so much for watching, Alex! I'm stoked that you enjoyed it! Hope you learned something new!
I've got the live album by the Journeymen. I've also got a cd version of it with 10 bonus track that wasn't ever released.
That's awesome! I'd enjoy having that as well...
Thank you for watching and commenting!
It was the 60s ... lots of drugs and very little recall. Still love their music!
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Thank you for watching! I hope you enjoyed
Hey, another good one, Sean! Although I'm not sure it's worth all the effort in trying to unravel this group's history. Sheeeeesh.....
You mentioned that they headlined the Monterey Pop Festival. Well, that was because John was the guy behind it. With the other acts on the bill being rockers, and Otis being like an friggin' explosion, no one was really geared up for the sweet pop sounds of the M&P. The film of the event, of course, was edited to not reveal that.
I don't know if you were ever interested in The Grateful Dead, but for many years "Me and My Uncle" came up every few days in their live shows. John Phillips wrote it and was surprised to hear that he had. One messed up dude. Nah....you're too young for the Dead experience, I think.
I got to know Denny for a while when he was doing his TV show. I was on it two or three times, and we kinda hit it off. He may have been the most sane of the bunch. His story of the M&P doesn't quite mesh with yours (big surprise, huh?).
Although I was around for The Great Folk Scare, I never got to see The Journeymen or any of the early outfits these people were in. Well, Barry McGuire I saw a couple of times with The New Christy Minstrels, but I think that's about it. He was a good frontman. Really got the crowd involved in singing, "Green, Green." Maybe the others just never came up north, where I'm originally from. I feel like I missed out, having heard them on record.
I saw the later incarnations a few times, including the version labeled "John Phillips presents The Mamas and The Papas," which did not include John Phillips. They were all pretty good, but they were just a so-so imitation. Especially having seen and loved the real thing several times a few decades earlier.
OK, one last thing. You mentioned that you wouldn't mind an instrumental version of one of the albums. YES! As far as I know, The Wrecking Crew never put out a record on their own. Should have. The best of the best in that era of music!!
Thanks again, Sean!
Haha, time will tell if researching them for hundreds of hours was worth it. Haha, so far I feel like it wasn't... I did have a good time though.
I believe I mentioned in the video that John was one of the guys who was behind the Monterey Pop Fest, but now you're making me doubt it and want to watch my video to see.
I think you're right that I'm too young for the Dead experience. My guitarist and I rag on them for not being as daring as we were with our project, Fasba Fpel. We prefer Fasba Fpel.
OH wow! That's awesome that you were on Denny's Sho, I assume. Very very cool. What do you do? I'd love to see/hear any art/music that you've been a part of!
Thanks again for the great comment and all your support!
@@SeansMusicHunt Yeah, you probably did mention John's involvement in Monterey. You packed so much info into this that I can't be expected to remember EVERYTHING!!! These days, I find myself walking into a room and forgetting why.
Denny had two TV things going at the time and one was a sort of variety show for kids. I don't do kids magic, but I CAN if necessary. That was a long time ago, but I was performing at a convention or something somewhere in Canada and someone involved in TV approached me. Always hustling connections, I went for it, although I never heard from that guy again. The rest I can't remember, but Denny was the one who wanted more, mainly because we liked each other despite the age difference. For some reason, I've always been able to be friends with people both older and younger than me. I'm older now then Denny was then. Scary thought.
I'm a recently retired mentalist who focused on corporate events. NOT kid stuff!!! After a calendar of nothing but cancellations (the COVID years) for a year and a half, I decided that 40 years of it was enough. I was one of the young hotshots once. Now it's somebody else's turn.
I hope you're enjoying your adventure! I have a friend near Manila. After an impoverished youth (actually, over three decades), she is now in what we would call the middle class after spending many years getting a bottled water business off the ground. It's still a local biz at this point, but it is a success story.
Cheers!
Love the Mama's and the Papa's. I saw the interview with John Philips first wife. She dragged Michelle into the ground recalling how brazen Michelle that homewrecker was in pursuing her husband. She used those words and was still obviously hating on Michelle. It was an interesting interview for sure.
John also had an incestuous relationship with his daughter
Wasn't Michelle only 17 when she got involved with Phillips? Only about a month passed being 16, in fact. According to what scientists now know, her brain wasn't even properly formed at that age, much less her emotional maturity (it's why the UK has recently banned marriage under the age of 18). IMO, she wasn't the one to blame for that marriage break-up; I think she met and got groomed by a predator. I have every sympathy with Susan's bitterness and how she focussed it on Michelle ... but ultimately she was lucky to have John Phillips off her hands.
Here is a LIKE. Especially for the cute cat.
Thank you so much, Edward, we both appreciate it!
At 29:54, thank you! Love how you mention the spoiler alert - it’s just some guy, you know? Straight shooter for sure. Great video. Thank you. ❤
😂 that's may be my favorite part of the video. Thank you for pointing it out and thank you so much for watching! I hope you enjoyed and subscribed! You're awesome!
I only need 7 more subscribers before I can start earning monthly pennies. So I'd appreciate the support! Thank you!
You can hear Mama Cass's voice on the album People Like Us on The Mamas & The Papas - Ultimate Anthology 2016 version.
I uploaded People Like Us and it includes Mama Cass's voice please listen to it, it's a gem.
Beautiful. Thank you!
great research thank you.
Thank you so so much for watching, Jaques!! I really appreciate you!!
Great video.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for watching!
I’m here for the cat 🐱
Then you are a very wise woman. Thank you very much for stalking my baby and leaving a comment! I really appreciate it!
Lol. The Papas and t&e Mama's. That was funny!
Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed it 😊
I heard that John got Michelle in the band to keep an eye on her (not sure how true that is)
Sorry I didn't reply right away. I guess because I wasn't sure if you're correct or not, I wasn't sure what to say. Part of me wanted to do more research on the subject, but I have too much going on. I hope you enjoyed the video! Cheers!
Good work! I am a subscriber now. BTW, I am a big fan of the first side of "People Like Us" album. (The second side, uh I'm not so sure of). Thank you for mentioning the bass player. Awesome groove. He was a big part of the sound of that record. IMO.
Thank you so very much for watching, commenting and subscribing, Kevin! I'd like to think I mentioned the things that are important to real music lovers and musicians that a typical documentary for mainstream audiences will not touch on.
This album has got 2 of their most beautiful songs in their discography. imo 'People like us" and 'Step out".
ps.i also love the alternate tale to both songs esp. in PLU where Cass is more prominent.
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The pipe thing is a ridiculous fiction btw
Yes, so I've been told and I should have looked into it more before stating it in the video
Great band!
Definitely! Thank you for watching! I appreciate it and hope you enjoyed!
Oh what a tangled web we weave…I won’t say any more…wouldn’t know where to start
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Excellent presentation. The Ms and Ps tend to be neglected for various reasons, and your balanced presentation helps clarify the qualities that made them a great band with something important to contribute.
I agree with you and thank you for the kind words! You're awesome, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Why did they have apostrophes in the name on the album covers? Bad grammar!
@4:41 and his sing-along TV program from the sixties also I think on.nbc maybe CBS
It's all there in the music I saw her again is one of my favourites
their story reminds me of the movie a mighty wind
abba got their start in a similar way in Greece in the late 60's maybe minus the drugs
So I liked this video but was disturbed by how you said Michelle "wore down" John when he was married to his first wife. That strongly implies that she was the aggressor but she would have been a teen and he was 10 years older. Did you find in your research that she was aggressively pursuing him?
That is what I remember reading, and I get how it would likely be the other way with a typical male/female relationship, especially with what we know of John from later in his life. But also, he was a star in her eyes and women often try to get the highest ranking man available to them. I can see it going either way.
I have a disclaimer at the beginning about how the stories are all jumbled, would be interested if you could find a different side of the story.
Glad you enjoyed the video though! Hope you have a lovely evening or whatever time of day it is.
this is really really amazing!! but the getting hit on the head with a pipe story isnt real. it was made up by john. :)
Love it! Thank you for the clarification and thank you for watching
Well, I for one thing, I know that rumour about Cass Elliot choking to death on a ham sandwich is totally bogus. She was Jewish, so she wouldn't have eaten a ham sandwich to begin with.
😆 great comment and great point!
They were ripped on Acid, every live tv performance.
My favorite is the banana 🍌
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Yeah, ive heard a few different stories... agreed
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Denny looks like Phil Collins and Steve Perry had a baby that grew up to be Denny. Lol
Sorry for the late reply, I've read and laughed at your comment about 7 times now.
You should try to do the New Journeymen!
Okay, Steven! I could do that for you! Shouldn't be too tough!
Thanks a ton for watching my Mamas/Papas video! I really appreciate you checking it out!!
Hello. Do a Doc/film on Peter Paul and Mary who had a 10 year ride 1960/70 and then around 1979 to Mary Travers death in 2009.
Thanks for the suggestion, David! What a great group!
Cass was as extraordinarily talented as Michelle was beautiful, AND vice versa.
100% thank you for the comment!
Nice biography of mamas & papas
Thank you so much for watching and leaving comments! I really appreciate you and I intend to double check on what you mentioned in your other commrnt. Thank you!
you're very welcome. Just learned and wnjoyed the non album single "Glad to Be unhappy" & agree I like People like us (1971) over PAPAS & MAMAS (1968)@@SeansMusicHunt
So glad to have introduced that to you!
Wiki information. Wiki drone voice over. You didn't exist in 64. Great work, man!
I'm not sure if this comment is an insult, a compliment, sarcasm, or a mix of the three. Haha.
But thank you, I hope. And thank you for watching the video.
I did use wiki, but mostly to find the sources that the page links to. A lot of those were books that you can fortunately read online. I also watched many other videos about the band online, listened to the albums over and over, and used Discogs.com to confirm information about the releases. I looked at every biography on the band that I could easily find and found tons of contradictions throughout.
I hope you enjoyed the video. Again, I appreciate you watching and commenting.
@@SeansMusicHunt 'Liked'.
Wow, there's a lot of random stuff I never heard before
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Before Fleetwood Mac there was the Mamas and the Papas lol
Indubitably. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Before FMac, there was Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. Much more important in musical history!
Chuck herer - Cool schedule of info. You might want to consider lessions of the vocal kind. We all are able to become
us more. Fill out. Coaches are almost always used. J. Dean, others.
I'm not sure your comment was intended for my video about the Mamas and the Papas. Haha. I'm confused. Have a great day!
1230 is a fantastic song.
100%
I'm convinced Chyna is Denny's daughter, she has his features
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@@SeansMusicHunt Sorry forgot to mention great vid
You can't tell me that Denny didn't slap the meat to Cass a time or two. We've all did a little "chubby chasin" a once or twice. There, I said it.
I hope and assume that you're correct. 😆 Thanks for watching and commenting!
Why have you done a video that's been done a 1000 times before. Its a just long line of regurgitated sound bites.
This video certainly didn't give me the same fulfillment as others. Since most of the videos I do are on more obscure bands that need the recognition.
Truth is that someone requested it over and over. And as the intro to this video points out, no other video seemed to tell the story correctly, so I attempted to make one that would be more factual than the others.
I guarantee this video had more information packed into a smaller timeframe than any other video on the group. I have not seen any other videos mention their only single that is not on an album, nor several other things that I talk about in this video.
To an extent, I agree with you. Because my passion is to tell stories that aren't told as often. I hope you enjoy some of my other videos on bands like COMUS, Harmonium, and Serum Giran. Those ones were definitely far more satisfying to create.
Cheers!
I am pretty sure the 'pipe on the head' is just another of those tales, that just arent true.
I believe you are correct. Thank you for watching and correcting!
At least they all admitted to dropping at tonne of acid. So that’s probably 100 percent accurate
Hahaha. Yes. It anything is accurate in this video, it's that! Haha.
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@@SeansMusicHunt excellent work sir!!!
@@SluffAdlin thank you so much! You're awesome!
The pipe hitting Cass Elliott was a bullshit story and was a cover up cuz John was a sexist piece of shit and didn't want a fat girl in his band. Also they ended all living in that one bedroom apartment that belonged to Cass Elliott because John was the manager of the band's finances and couldn't manage money well at all. They were flat broke and were going to be living on the street if it wasn't for Cass taking them in. Her only condition was that she wanted to be a band member. John did not "warm up" to Cass while they all lived together in her place at all, John, Michelle and Denny all openly mocked, fat shamed and treated her unfairly even after Cass left the band to do a solo career. Cass Elliott would unfortunately die at age 32 of possible pulmonary hypertension that led to a heart attack in her sleep. There was multiple factors leading up to Cass' heart condition including her heavy smoking (40 cigarettes a day), crash dieting (sometimes going 4 or 5 days without eating), drug use (heroin, LSD, cocaine and as a child into her teens diet pills containing methamphetamine), her over exertion (from back to back performances and late night social gatherings), possible sleep apnea ( restricting the brain of oxygen and interruption of sleep) and an undiagnosed pulmonary hypertension (a heart condition leaving her heart weak). Cass was also at time of death 224lbs and 5'5 making her over weight which also put stress on her heart and blood circulation system in her body. She also had just given birth to her Daughter 6 or 7 months before her death which not giving much time for her body to really heal after having a baby again add stress and strain.
I know all of their names, and that John Phillips had an incestuous relationship with his daughter. So, l already know more than l want.
A footnote group at best. As time goes by you will find this to be and more true.
50 years from now the only 100 year old artists anyone will remember are Elvis, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Jimi Hendrix.
In the year 2069 his version of the Star Spangled Banner will become the official version recognized by the US government.
I definitely agree that they won't stand the test of time. Though I am a fan, I only made this video because a loved one requested it several times. Thanks for watching!
You randomly go around the internet being upset about the life of a man who died several years ago and I'm the clown. 🤡
OMG I never heard the Barry McGuire version before. Terrible! It sounds like me singing karaoke.
Hehe, I'm glad I showed you something new even if you didn't like it! 😝
Barry's got a great voice, but... let's be honest, that voice really just isn't for that song.
u can have review on new mamas and p
24:34 How do we know that China is John's daughter since Michelle slept around quite a bit.
😂 great question!
Chynna looks soooo much like her dad!! She’s got his high forehead and nose
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She has her dads high cheekbones