Yugitubers Have Become Completely Delusional About How Much It Actually Cost To Play Yugioh
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The thing that annoys me is people assume casual players dont wanna upgrade rheir decks
If I could upgrade any of my decks to be tournament worthy, I certainly would. But the cost is too much at this point... Every time I finally get those sought after cards with reprints, the goalpost gets moved like a month later and I'm back where I started. Its why I run rogue decks- it may not be meta, but it MIGHT win sometimes.
Better than not winning at all I guess.
If i stare at my deck and
"Oh i have a cool deck for fun or conpetitive but i think i might improve it with some staples like board breakers and handtraps- oh god why is every single one of them more expensive than the entire deck and my dinner for a week?"
And then you become the guy at locals scraping for anything playable and cheap and using weird engines that are outclassed by the existence of another card that costs way too much for a piece of paper.
I'm casual as hell. I do try to Make my decks good, like viable too play in tournaments and locals. I'd play "full power reptile vennominaga". I have never gotten a win because I don't want to pay and I don't want to play meta.
Too be fair I do fight meta because everyone playes it at my locals
To everyone: I'm a huge advocate for getting the starter decks, the albaz one is awesome, but there are cards in there you Have to take out, I'm glad not alone on this
@@tommyDluffy777 shaddoll one is a banger as well. Almost competitive with just 1 of each of those. Sadly they don't make em anymore and the mark up is crazy to get your hands on em
funniest part to me is paying over 300 dollars for a set of a card then go into a tournament to win a Nintendo switch
reminds me of the time "Kozmo Destroyer" got released. It was a 3-of in any Kozmo deck at the time and each copy costed about 100$. And that for a core card of the deck and not an engine or a staple.
@@kingcasual-casual-gaming-5366 Ohh i remember that time, pulled one, sold it for like 80€ which was quite a lot back then.
😂
@@kingcasual-casual-gaming-5366farm girl was like 60-70 also lol
It’s merely for status symbol reasons, mate. Kinda like Gucci bags and iPhones despite other corporations like Lacoste and Samsung releasing equally good products at the same (or at times) even cheaper prices.
I really feel like when people argue for expensive shit they stay expensive, is solely to make sure they can "protect their investment".
Hopefully Konami changes the rarity system for good to fuck over these "investors" that help keeping the prices of the second market arteficially high. Yugioh is a card game. If you want to trade go to the stock market.
If a mf wants to treat the game as an investment, starlights and the like are pretty stable in that regards or the really oldass tournament pack foils. My $30 CAD playset of LCJW Gravekeeper's Spy will have and had no impact on the supers from some tournament pack only three shops ever used as prizing.
Treating secret rare S:P as an investment when the Qcr exists is mad dumb 'cause guess which one will retain value?
Remember, Susu sells boxes on his stream and he sells sealed boxes on his website.
Or they have Vendors as friends/vendors themselves. Its insanely expensive to be a vendor and only few boxes are good,unless konami decides to change the pull ratios, its probably not going to be cheap.
it's funny because konami both keeps competitive staples expensive and reprints cards meant to be collectibles.
There was a thread on reddit this month, from an OCG player. During the discourse, that person legit asked, how kids are able to play Yu-Gi-Oh in the TCG. That blew me away, man. Apparently kids DO play this game in the OCG (I don't know which country that person is from). Meanwhile, in the TCG, whenever a kid does try to play, their parents only buy them a few packs or a structure deck because they're not gonna spend more than that, they get destroyed, and then they leave and don't come back.
true and the kids who do play competitively most of em have rich parents who would buy them whatever the want
this. my only luck as a kid is whe had the time of Agents and after i switched to monarch when they came out.
even today i play rogue decks, rn iam dodging every deck who needs sp or just play and older variant( knightmare unicorn) . Rn played floo for 2 years now so i changed to BW.
but yeah nowadays kids are pretty fucked.
most of the younger players that i know of start with the structure decks, and luckily, of the 4 locals near me, one of them is relatively friendly to newer players overall (sadly, it gets sweatier when new ots packs drop, but like the moon and the tides, the sweaty players recede as the packs decrease).
That is to say, kids playing the game should be a core focus of yugioh. yugioh though, is just straight up killing that line, as newer players are often at a locals, getting smoked, and developing a resentment for the game that they should be learning to enjoy as people with this crazy elitist mindset prattle one about how much their deck that won't be relevant in a year costs.
At best most kids can only afford a single structure deck anyways, well at least during my time not many kids would be able to spend 60 bucks on 3 structures to build a deck. Making the game affordable for kids would be impossible to do, only reason OCG is so dirt cheap is because TCG pretty much pays for everything lol.
@@stevennguyen1586 $60? the structures where i live cost $12-13 per deck.
losing 100% of all matches you play is cheap.
I'm a budget player, let's gooo
Yeah, we’re all really missing out on all that sweet tourney prize pool money.
Hay I won't take this slander, I lose 99% of my matches. I got a match off against the kid playing full power morphtronics
I feel this. Unlike most games, Yugioh is extremely cutthroat with snowball gameplay. If you don't have the cards to compete, you will lose before you even get a third turn. I love Yugioh, but this is why the argument of "just win locals and use the prizing to buy the staples lol" is a bad faith argument, because that is a David vs Goliath style of uphill battle!
@@Aigis31 the worst part is people acting like there getting $50+ worth of prizes. It really ain't, most the time it's like 3 packs or a $20 playmat
I think the reason why the OCG is cheaper is because Konami knows that they are in direct competition with multiple other card games that have $100-150 meta decks.
They also get less reprints, and may have lower manufactoring snd distrubution costs
Stronger anti gambling laws in Asia. It's why Konami lives off panchinco machines
Its more to the fact that English countries are keeping yugioh afloat. Japan is more of a small bubble compared to the rest of the world.
@@Assailant17do u think OCG only consist of japanese? Lol
Main reason why Yugioh cheaper in ocg is in ocg. There are alot of card games an infestation. So if Konami does some shady stuff there people can just drop the game go to the next card game. Look at tcg how many really big card games do we have right know only 3. Its getting better Lorcana will settle and enter the scene we also have one piece but we need more card games. More Competiton in the card game space means konami tcg will be forced to follow ocg model. My thoughts on the matter
Another point no one brought up is, the amount of tops where players are thanking people for letting them BORROW staple to have been able to compete in the first place!
At this point I really like the direction this is taking. Every day there is a new video about this topic and the more we can stir the pot and start chaos the better. Maybe this will finally be the time were Konami starts to acknowledge the community and something changes, who knows.
Facts people need to take a stand instead of shilling for Konami
Talk is cheap. Nothing changes until you stop buying product thay doesn't meet your standards and it affects the bottom line.
YES! Don't fall for the bait of Rarity Collection 2. It's a distraction they announced just to move discourse away from the price of the game. (Think of how Activision Blizzard announced a new game that's nowhere near releasing every time they get involved in controversy.)
Facts @@Aigis31
While im on board with you and advocate for your wishful thinking, we have to be honest with ourselves.
Just like every other company in hot water, Konami will ignore it until the yelling goes silent again like it always does.
I can't believe triff JOKINGLY said "just win a ycs" lol
"Yeah i will win a big event with the pile of cards o can barely afford to get at least 1 improvement and do it againand again until i get a deck that is already outdated by powercreep"
Nice pend ycs tops lol
Most people have other stuff they have to pay for. If you make people decide between their daily necessities and a card game guess which do you think they’ll go for. I like Trif but sometimes he sounds like a complete knucklehead.
These people who complain about prices but keep buying these overpriced cards need to stand by their words like the adults they probably think they are or shut up and consume like the good consumers they are.
Facts
OCG player here. I feel sorry for the TCG community for having outrageous prices. Competitive Yu-gi-oh! in the OCG is cheap enough that anyone with a 9-5 job can play the META.
Triple Tactics Thrust is only a rare and is $4. Rarity collection staples sell like hotcakes where you can get SR ash blossom for $5.
also OCG player here, its true
as someone who had decent income that comes from third world country, I could afford to build full meta deck, there is no reason to play rogue deck at all unless you like the artwork or simply you hardcore rogue enjoyers. I could come up to local with my full tryhard meta deck and pulled up my pet deck in other week. Also we do still open sealed product for fun, heck even we finally got Rarity Collection AE version that sells pretty well here and I cant wait for AGOV AE version in early Feb.
@@hamster6216It almost as if it having low prices justifies the existence of maxx c here. 😂 Or rather glorify it.
@@Dandylion30 i don't really care about maxx c tbh, it's good if those card get ban but if its not i'm okay with it. I started back to play yugioh because of master duel, loved the game and got into paper after my country officially got covered by OCG. Social hobby interaction is the main reason why i stick into it. Where both meta and rogue player having good times and laugh together when we do the missplay is what i like the most about this game.
@@Dandylion30there no one care of your opinion, doing stupid for nothing is pain
I'm more annoyed that I need a magnifying glass to read the text they put on the cards because there is a novel worth of information on most of them.
The price of meta cards are blocking players from actually being competitive. I have no business playing my deck at a regional without an S:P little knight when the same deck will do infinitely better with that card. The pay wall holds a lot of us back.
One card does not make a deck. People need to stop thinking that they HAVE to have the latest big search card. I have no copy of Little Knight, yet I managed to steamroll over everyone at my locals 2 weeks ago with my Darkworld deck, and a couple of them had Little Knight. That deck also has only 1 handtrap and yet I destroyed players using Meta decks.
Cards from 10 years ago didnt suddenly lose their effects and become normal monsters, they still do exactly what they did back then, and when you combine them with decent cards from today you can build a top deck. Lets put it this way, if I can beat a YCS top 10 placer using my Red Eyes deck then you can too, and that deck only costs about 30 bucks from scratch.
@@ASavageEye Just because my locals is uncompetitive enough to where I can go 3-0 with ratas trainlords deck doesn't suddenly make that deck good... Could you have gone to tear 0 format locals with madolche? Sure. Could you have won a game every now and then due to the players at said locals being not amazing? Sure. Could you theoretically play Bishbaalkin FTK at a regional/YCS, get one in a billion cointoss + draw luck and win every game? Yes, yes you could. Would you still on average be MUCH better off winrate/win chance wise when using what I would call a competitively built/"metasheep" deck using said chase cards? Absolutely yes, there is a reason meta decks are meta, the reason a deck is meta is that when piloted properly, it is the most effective tactic available...
@@ASavageEye you are bringing up locals which is not a true competitive experience the skill of players varies too drastically for that to be possible, if there's just one player at an event with credentials like ycs tops it doesn't automatically make your locals a competitive environment since the other players could literally be 12 year olds. 1 card definitely doesn't make a deck on it's own, in the case of S:P little knight it does something on it's own that is impossible for other link 2s to do, in the case of bonfire it increases your probability of seeing a certain card. Both of cards are literally IRREPLACEABLE because nothing can serve their purpose 100%, yes you can play more staples or engine (which probably doesn't search) to replace bonfire but it doesn't provide the same value (especially since the Snake Eye engine is 9 cards that literally play on their own.
@@shaedeymamlas5496 All you did there was write 200 words to describe the current situation, whilst failing to disprove anything I said.
The main flaw in your argument is that "meta" is not based on what is actually more powerful but rather what is the best of the newest cards. Now whilst the Ban List has a big effect on this the fact is that top decks from 2 years ago are just as good today as they were then. They still play the exact same way they did and, again depending on the ban list effecting them, they are usually still just as effective overall. The main reason the meta changes so drastically is that every year Konami makes a few new cards SPECIFICALLY designed to counter the current meta and so everyone assumes that makes them better overall. However, how many times have we seen cards and decks from 3 or 4 seasons ago suddenly become good again and walk all over the new cards. It happens all the time but it does not get recognised because the top players, and youtubers especially, keep everyone focused on the meta...essentially forcing everyone into meta play. The meta is NOT made by the power of the cards, it is made by what the top players want to play.
We just entered what is being called the Season of Fire, or Fire Meta, and it is all based purely on Konami releasing a bunch of new fire monsters, most of which are actually just new support for MUCH older decks. Now suddenly Fireking is a top deck, and all because of 3-4 new cards? The deck still does exactly what it did 5 yeas ago, just a bit faster an stronger but that only proves my point that all you need to do is upgrade your old ass deck to be competitive. The top players want to play the newest cards so they automatically become the best decks and that is just how it always goes. Like I said already, my Darkworld deck destroyed the current Meta decks 2 weeks ago and if I can do that without ANY of the "best cards" then it proves the whole idea of the meta is bull.
@@txkyoaes5743 You are missing my point entirely. I am not debating cards like Little Knight being good. My main point is that players need to stop thinking they cannot play competitive without them. Top players have everyone convinced that if you dont have at least one Little Knight, a Baron and at least 3 handtraps then you may as well go home and uneducated players are believing them. Little Knight is great at what it does but unless you are playing specific decks it is actually useless. Take my Darkworld deck for instance, Little Knight would be pointless in it and I have seen players with it in their deck even though the dont actually need it just because they heard it is the best card.
As you already agreed with, one card does not make a deck, but meta players are forcing a narrative that it does and that needs to stop because it is stressing players out and pushing up card prices.
Reminds me of the similar conversation being had by the Magic the Gathering community. Across the board decks are way more expensive than they used to be, but in that case it seems most of the popular content creators actively voice how they’re pretty displeased by the price hikes
The issue with Magic is that they keep printing insane staple chases into formats that used to be fairly expensive but stable, printing full power creep sets at triple the box price into those formats, and then side swiping people by printing obvious power creep eternal format bait into standard rotation sets making the standard format more expensive too. People got mad when WotC became Konami.
at least it's full decks you are paying way too much for rather than it being just a part of a deck
You’re paying for a whole deck in Magic deck though.
In MTG the pricing is climbing not only because of a lack of reprints but the reserve list keeping certain cards being reprinted that are highly competitive in popular formats like Modern, Commander and Legacy.
It's been a common complaint for a long time that the short printing of certain mythics (MTG equivalent of Secret Rares) and the attitude of scalpers to buy an excess of product mindlessly to resell onto the secondary market is making the game prohibitively expensive.
Sure they will often reprint staples but they'll also rarity bump certain cards in reprint sets to Mythic or Rare intentionally. If you want to play Competitive Commander you'll have to shell out potentially thousands of dollars for reserve list staples like Timetwister or the original Dual Lands.
@@AdHocWholius except Modern I don't think a single reserved list card is legal since they were pre cut off point and never reprinted post in a legal form, legacy is famous for being a rich man's play land to show off how much money they have and to sue each other for daring to breath on their cards and if you are putting the power nine into your commander deck you have failed to understand the point of commander
The thing is, Konami would make just as much money, if not more if they took a lot of these cards that are artificially short-printed and just.... printed them in multiple rarities. It would allow more players to upgrade their decks with commons and rares which brings in more customers to the game while also allowing the more cash flow players to spend whatever they wanted on the highest rarities to shiny their decks to the max, because they would regardless. By isolating the game so that only those with the biggest pockets can play, is the reason why Yugioh is ironically falling behind other card games in sales. The exclusivity is pushing more and more people away.
i can play fully comp decks with my 13y old brother (2x120€) or buy a sp little knight. sorry but even this comparison sound ridiculous if you think over it. no wonder kids prefer pokemon.
Something in yugioh that i have noticed about the community especially over the years is that they have a "Ignorance is bliss" mindset where if THEY dont have to deal with the issue at hand then its considered as something "people should just stop whining and buy some more money and go get the cards they need to play the game at a reasonable pace with ppl who do own the cards". This feels disgusting to have to deal within the community because it proposes an "elite mindset" where the "bad" players are gated by price and the good players or "ones deserving" get to play the best cards and its gating wins and tops behind the almighty dollar. This game also just doesn't have the prize support to justify the price it cost to play competitively, simply put.
Weird Thing its Not a poverty issue. Its more a Thing of responsibility Not 300 bucks on one Card that gets banned or outdated within a year.
the game needs less people like Seto Kaiba.
We should do the same thing that the OCG does with the rarities.
In my opinion, this would make absolutely no difference in terms of the total cost of a deck, because the price of a card certainly depends on supply, but above all on demand. As we saw with magnamut, even though it was a super-rare item, it reached relatively high prices. If you print everything in super or ultra, even if you assume that there won't be any short prints, the price of a box will remain at around a hundred dollars, and so retailers will continue to put expensive cards on the shelves. Putting cards on high rarity has no real impact on the game... because that's what's already been done with qcr and cr, has it stopped players spending hundreds on a bonefire playset? Did it stop AGOV from having ultra-high prices? No, not at all. What would bring down the price of cards is a drop in the cost of buying boxes, and that's not going to happen any time soon. What you really want is not more rarities, but for good cards to be overprinted (as in common in the main sets).
@sufx0845 ow really? Because in the OCG, even in the heights of Purrely's reign, you can open a Vanilla Purrely almost every time you open a pack of amazing defenders, being she is just Common and Normal Parallel rare, everyone needs her and yet almost everyone has a set to spare for everyone that needs the card. Can you sincerely say you can do that with the TCG absurdly rarity bumped Purrely?
And even if that were the case, we still have to reduce the price of displays, that's what poses a problem in TCG ...
correct me if I am wrong is it true OCG prints all the chase cards as commons or lower rarity that the shinies are just rarity upgrades but u can still get them in lower rarity from the same set
@legendredux1291 not all the time, but more often than not, what got printed as Secret or Ultra Rares in the OCG are funnily enough where the "Gimmick" cards. Cards like Dragon Magia Master, or Expurrely Happiness. Shiny Novelty rarities are more often than not get reserved to novelty cards. Sure there's outliers, but those where almost always just a byproduct of a weird Meta development that no one saw comming or more often than not, caused by a never before seen staple. Speaking of staples, most staples are usually printed as super rares at maximum. If they got printed at max rarity, theres always a print of them at lower ratity, like for example SP Little Knight whos got printed at 3 rarities in the OCG.
I remember as a teen getting really excited to pick up aromages when they initially came out, really liked the deck, then a good chunk of it got inexplicably rarity bumped and my meagre allowance wasn't going to cut it. To this day I haven't built aroma, a deck I ADORE, primarily because or rarity bumping and scarcity of its necessary cards in the TCG despite being a fairly bad deck
I’m glad I chose to play swordsoul. The deck is dirt cheap and still quite playable. Will I win every match? No. Will I have fun? Yes
It’s one of my favorite decks too. I built it awhile back on Master Duel & love it. I would build it in real life, but there’s no card shop in my area that has Yugioh tournaments 😢
@@chappy9245 I know that feeling. Ordering online is probably the way to go then
My locals is very competitive. It's difficult to even trade for cards when all 30-40 players want the 6 Thrusts that were pulled from everything.
Even worse when they refuse to trade for anything unless they can make money off the trade.
It's why I stopped trying to trade and just buy my cards now.
@EinSilverRose FR people say just Trade up but how do you when everyone is trading up? People defending Konami here really don't understand the average player.
I can't draw the out against my bills no matter how I change my deck. Am I stupid?
Just run banks 5head.
The fact that we have gotten to a point where i literally have to pick between keeping up with a silly goosey card game versus being able to put food on my table everyday says alot.
Food easily.
I haven't bought any cards off tcg player in so long
YOO big fan of your twitch streams, glad to see you here voicing this opinion.
Always
That sounds like your budgeting could do with being improved honestly
Honestly if Konami did what pokemon did it wouldnt be this expensive. Like make a common version for the competitive cards and a "full art" version for those who wanna shell out for the expensive card. Like they arent going to make any more money anyways since they just sell the product and be done with it.
Yugioh is certainly not cheap. But the way people define "expensive hobby" is relative, and price floors for validity can be true. For example, tennis or golf are "expensive" hobbies because the bare minimum requires several hundreds of dollars for entry. Comparatively, you might think that Yugioh is cheap. You can get into competitive Yugioh with a relatively cheap deck for approximately $100-150.
That being said, there's no reason for TCG to be as expensive as it is.
Yeah, but can't afford to buy soap and hygiene products....😂😂😂😂
i heard this "golf/skiing is more expensive" shit argument on WH40K and mtg subreddits way too often, that tells you that people involved in these hobbies are completely out of touch with reality and in this case i will know for sure konami with get away with it anyway
as a magic player the easiest way to start solving the price issues are to allow ocg copies of cards to be played in tcg formats. i own multiple foreign copies of magic cards that were significantly cheaper to purchase in Japanese, Chinese, German or Italian. i recently purchased 3 ocg thrusts to play with my friends and to me they are physically identical to my friend tcg copies.
thats already allowed iirc but u need at least 1 copy to serve as a translation model, combined w the fact that there is so much text on cards and it becomes annoying rq
@@chad2687 “Cards printed in Japanese, Korean, Chinese or “Asian English” (ie: Yu‑Gi‑Oh! OCG cards) can only be played in Asian territories and are not legal for use in Yu‑Gi‑Oh! TCG events.” Official yugioh website
@@chad2687 you can use foreign language cards like Spanish, French, German or French. However they are all Tcg cards. TCG does not allow OCG cards in sanctioned play
@@MegaCapitalG ah I didnt know, thanks! my friends sometimes pull up with german staples so I just assumed u could use ocg ones aswell
@@chad2687 The reason for that is the Yugioh logo is not universal with TCG and OCG. Also card effect wording sometimes get changed from what OCG has for TCG that it makes the card effect timing different,
I learned my lesson trying to play meta too quickly. I had been a casual Yugioh player my whole life, but right around the time Shaddolls got big I decided I wanted to step my game up. Ended up pulling some good stuff out of some packs and traded a good amount of stuff to some friends, and had a fully functional pure Shaddoll deck except one piece of the puzzle, being Construct. So I paid the $60 each at the time, got 2 copies of it, and was going to go to locals that Saturday, but then on that very Thursday the ban list came out and Construct got banned. $120, gone, no refunds, friends obviously didn't want to trade back. This was also back when they would ban cards for actually being strong instead of banning cards to force players to buy the new cards so the ban really hurt on a fundamental level. All this just to say, after that I'll never play meta again, it's just too expensive and can be ripped out from under you literally overnight. It's gonna be crazy when Bonfire has 1 format of being at 3 and then becomes ROTA number 2. Calling it right now.
I can imagine you freaking out like choso from jujutsu kaisen when this happened 😭😭
@@J-ay-B-ee lol I don't know what that is but I can tell you that I was really pissed off at work over it. They dropped the ban list mid-shift and I had 4 hours to go hahaha just had to walk around and be mad.
I feel that on a spiritual level. Not yugioh, but I played competitive magic back in the day. I had 2 modern decks that I was running at the time. Twin and Tron. Twin was the better and more expensive deck. I preferred Tron, so I decided to sell twin. It was a 1000 dollar deck. Sold it to a dude. Few days later, the new ban list banned the key card and killed the entire deck right there. Went to a draft that day and the guy was there and he was a husk. I felt awful for him. I bought dinner for him and paid for his draft just to cushion the blow a bit. Still brutal.
@@ozzysmith2571 😭😭😭
@@ozzysmith2571 man that IS brutal especially back in the day because your cards really felt like an investment. I don't know much about mtg but I do know the power creep is getting out of hand over these last couple of years so having a strong deck back then meant a lot more. Nice of you to pay for the draft and some chow, but its also nice that you dodged that bullet yourself lol.
As a budget player i approve this message , although i personally don't mind paying top dollar for cards i just don't think Yu-Gi-Oh! out of all games should be so expensive considering we have 0 cash prizing.
I really appreciate Konami releasing rarity collections. I can't wait for the second one to come out so I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for Accesscode Talker. I hope these sets continue and we can see stuff like Bonfire, Diabellestar, and S:P Little Knight become affordable. The more affordable meta staples can be, the better.
Not sure they will reprinted that soon. But maybe the yearly tin maybe?
the problem is that reprint dont solve the problem, by the time konami reprints sp, there will be another super expensive staple that changes your way of playing.
@@ketsura3618 I am glad you see that. By the time access code talker got reprinted into a affordable price we already had better options and staples that were to expensive.
It should just be like ocg at that point its just even worse for the market it kills all value in the cards they need to just bite bullet and do the reprints in the original set instead of a month or 2 later its so stupid
People who say yugioh isn’t a rotating format haven’t played long enough, the ban list/power creep is our rotation
this i cannot take my BA decks to locals and expect to have fun. XD
Yugioh has still no rotating format like magic.
@@georgfolwerk2531 magic has proper non rotating formats as well, yugioh is a rotating format when it comes to the meta, either your deck becomes irrelevant or power crept, or the ban list hits it and it dies till it is power crept
Honestly what baffles me the most is that most of these people wouldn't even do this at huge tournaments. As playing at even a casual level the game can cost more than most tier 2-3 meta deck in other cardgames. It's something Konami has been doing since the beginning and the sad thing is that they'll continue to as they know that they'll get away with it.
because they will get away with it
I think it's worth mentioning that Card Grading Companies and Outside investors have also helped push up the cost of YuGiOh.
They buy up all the old stock and old boosters from online stores and hold onto them thinking its a financial investment that they can profit from.
Also YuGiOh channels that focus on just opening old booster packs and talking about how much each card costs help to push prices higher.
Hey that's my graph! Thanks for using it!
Keep doing your thing, man. Keep calling out the bullshit.
The main difference between the ocg and tcg is that in the tcg, most good cards have only high rarity printings and most bad cards have only low rarity printings (so outside that 1 slot for high rarity, everything else is basicly trash), in the ocg however, most cards get multiple rarities, low rarity for those who just want to play with the cards and high rarity for those who want to colect, so in conclusion, the ocg does everything better, not only because it is cheaper but also because every slot in your packs could be good.
When I was lucky enough to pull a Forbidden Droplet and an Accesscode Talker back when they were absurdly expensive I didn't even want to risk putting them in my deck knowing that if I lost them or they got stolen I wouldn't be able to afford replacements. No card game player should ever have that fear.
I don’t mind a card costing $100+ . The problem is when $100+ is the cheapest available price for a card.
What I’m tryna say is ocg-style multiple rarity sets will most likely help
As a filthy casual, these type of videos always confuse me, because I always grew up with yu-gi-oh by playing with friends and family. I think some of my friends and I looked at Yu-Gi-Oh the wrong way, because we tend to play with cards that sucked because we liked how some of them looked, rather than how well they played. We probably didn't know the exact ruling on a lot of cards, and we asked each other not to play certain cards we thought were unfair. We eventually grew out of it, and whenever we look at videos that complain about Yu-Gi-Oh nowadays, it makes a bit worried.
Like I feel kind of dumb, but it always seemed easy to just play Yu-Gi-Oh with close friends and such, but it never occurred to me that asking a stranger that you met at a local tournament not to play certain cards, is a taller order than asking a close friend. And because Yu-Gi-Oh is so far into it's power creep, I think the only people left playing Yu-Gi-Oh outside of video games, are the people that play Tournaments and such. One of the reasons I like stuff like Master Duel, and YGOPro, wasn't just because of it being free, but because it was easier to play games again with my old friends with silly anime-like decks. But I don't know if that counts as "Playing Yu-Gi-Oh"
So Maybe Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have to be expensive to get into if you can get a friend to get into it with you.
When i got into the game in 2020 i was lucky enough to find new friends at my work who wanted to learn and play with me. All i had were the Blue-Eyes structure and the Sea Emperor structure from like 2013 and we had so much fun with just those. Almost all our cards were common and cheap, and they got the God structure decks that came out soon after and still had a lot of fun with those. We banned the use of handtraps and other big meta staples we thought were unfun and continued playing.
But a lot of people aren't as lucky as you or me and don't have irl friends to play with, so their only choice is to play tournaments at locals or online, and those environments are cut-throat if you don't have the best cards. And when those best cards are 80$+ what are they supposed to do, just sit there and lose? There is no good, justifiable reason why Yugioh is as expensive as it is, it benefits nobody but Konami. Of course I wish everyone got to experience Yugioh the way we did, playing with what we had just for fun.
If you had fun, you didn't do it wrong
@Mr_Ozone Yes, I agree, to add on my previous comment. Look at pokemon video games. That community was able to come together and make their own format. So that people who like the smaller, less used pokemon can enjoy playing together with other poekmon in the same tier.
Or when you play a fighting game and both players agree to not choose certain characters.
Yugioh doesn't seem to have enough of a community that plays GOAT format or Edison Format in Yugioh. As this video's title kind of suggests, it's expensive to "play Yugioh" because the only way to "play Yugioh" is with people in a competitive mindset.
@elise3517 Glad to know, some agree! I mean, I can play Yugioh with my Amazoness Deck and my friend can play his Batterymen without it being too expensive, right? 😀
At least Cap-G gets it
To make it big in this online yugioh sphere, you have to go along to get along. The content creators are friends with each other and there is little disagreement between them so group think is incredibly powerful here. It also means anyone who doesn't tow the line is removed from the group and accused of drama. It's such cultist mentality.
@@spicymemes7458 same thing is with many things tho be it the Players that can get the deck with $1000's worth or cards to Star Wars bitch's arguing about "not my Star Wars" or those Dragon Ball fans treating the animé like it's a religion/best thing since sliced bread! People are naturally Cliché'y find a pack or group they get into......I mean look at policies same thing
How often do you see a deck profile and they say “shout out to my friend for letting me borrow this card.”
Huh, it’s almost like they couldn’t afford that card before the tournament.
This. Back when i played competitive in 2018 friends of mine wanted to go to regionals, doing so meant they had to borrow my ash blossoms, imperms and Saryuja because they couldnt afford the singles otherwise they would be at a massive disadvantage.
As a Floo player, some players are wild for feeling they NEED to build a new deck with cards like bonfire when you can just upgrade what you have. That’s called financial literacy imo.
However, there are generic staples that come out way too expensive. I coulda bought a pair of black air forces, a black turtleneck and chain ($62 for a silver one on clearance) for a playset of thrust before the reprint came out.
Brrrrrr What happened to that boy 🐧
In this case, I can even understand that people see the need to buy these expensive decks, rather than playing Floowandershit. I'd rather spend more money than being the most unliked and most hated player on my locals, because I play a deck that is only there to suck your opponents fun out of the game.
@@Luna-StarfrostLol basically all of the currently viable decks revolve around blocking your opponent. The whole point of modern Yugioh is making sure your opponent doesn’t get to play, sadly.
People keep forgetting just how crippling YGO's lack of fiscal prize support is. No money in the prize support means there's MUCH fewer players, which means demand for chase cards on the secondary market is much lower. As such, you get much fewer vendors actually buying up boxes of stock. The difference here is that the Vendors' impact of the supply is EXPONENTIALLY greater than the lower demand, because BOTH the lack of prize support and the lower demand drive them away.
Edit: For comparing YuGiOh TCG to OCG, *that* disparity is because Konami of Japan doesn't rarity-bump the cards that most people want to play for the sake of driving sales. For just one example, Invasion Vengeance - OCG Treatoad on release was just a Rare, whilst in the same TCG set, Toadally Awesome was a fucking Secret. And this doesn't even touch on the fact that the OCG allows you to play TCG prints, while the TCG doesn't allow you to play OCG prints - so it's working with an objectively LARGER secondary market.
I hate so much the argument of "Every hobby is expensive at high level so Yu gi oh must be"
Every other hobby are expensive does NOT mean a card game would be, especialy when meta staples or combo pieces are also usefull to mid to bad decks that would cost 20 or less
"Dark magician-fire princess-turtle deck" hit me right in the heart of the cards i ran that when i first started going to locals. The guys have been very helpful in getting me up to speed, in a surprising healthy way. Probably cuz the shop has strick rules on any form of bullying. Still i knew i had a casual burn deck and i had a blast losing and getting to know everyone in a low stakes match
3:44 im that 5% chance 😂
I managed to pull 2 Baron De Fleur back when they were worth $50ish, specifically one from Synchro Storm and one from Maze of Memory. I played Speedroids, so naturally i put 1 in a deck, and I still have both of them. When I saw the value of them decrease to about $10 a month or two ago when that rarity collection dropped, i wasn't upset, i was slightly hyped because it meant that more people could have access to a card i liked using that's playable in a ton of decks. And I'm also a Casual, i rarely even get the chance to duel irl since the 1 card shop in my town doesn't support Yu-Gi-Oh (but supports MTG and Pokemon).
Im at this point starting to realize a mixture of price and not being able to play irl is making me not interested in Yu-Gi-Oh anymore, at least playing it physically or digitally, still like Watching Yugi-Tubers sometimes. It's gotten to the point that ive complained enough to a friend about the pricing issue (which btw they play the Pokemon TCG and are up-to-date with it way more then I am, i currently dont have a standard format deck for that TCG) that they randomly sent me a Mandaium? Deck that costs over $1000 (I think, i dont know much about current meta decks, i stopped paying attention when Purrely and Kashtira were the main 2 alongside Rescue Ace and i think Unchained, and idk what unchained and Rescue Ace do)
So yeah that sucks. Konami, please fix your game, because I'm reaching a point that price alone can mean i cant play a TCG, and that hasn't really been an issue for me with the Pokemon TCG, and i didn't build meta decks for most of my life in that game
my favorite part about the trif tweet is that saying the whole "just win your locals and you'll get cards lol" is also just straight up gambling a lot of the time. In my case, I go to a local with 10 dollar entry and consistently top 4 them. Even when you are rewarded at least a dozen packs of a set, you can just get shafted and lose out more from paying entry fees that could have also went into funds to save and buy an expensive card. Over the years I've played, I'd say on average I've definitely either lost out or barely broken even on the cost of entry to prizing ratio from locals and this is coming from someone who is experienced at the game.... Not the new/ more casual players that these price complaints come from.
See my favorite way of breaking that logic is this. In order to win locals, you need a meta deck unless you're cracked out of your mind with something like Swordsoul and get lucky. But you can't get the meta deck unless you win locals so you're really just spinning in circles. Yu-Gi-Oh can't pay for itself unless you put in a crapton at the start of a format.
Got back into the game when a couple friends informed me one of my favourite archetypes (dark world) was getting a structure deck. Playing with them was great. Then they eventually brought me into their playgroup where the rest didn't have any price hangups or desire to play any sort of casual. Been completely locked out of 80% of the games I play, and barely do a single thing in about 15%.
Even before the current things, the stuff to run to have any sort of chance was going to cost 300+ dollars. Now it's even more. It's insane
This opinion is exactly what's wrong with yugioh at the moment. I haven't played in over a year because it stopped being fun because no matter the format or the year it's the same story. 1-5 decks that control everything that you have to build counters into your deck to deal with them but if you don't draw the cards to counter them then it's an auto lose. Speed duels are probably the most fun I've had playing in a long time
Just play One Piece.
The best hope is that store fronts wheen back on buying predatory sets while pushing for productive sets to motivate TCG Konami to shift their direction in set production. TCG Konami won't care if the playerbase doesn't buy as much product so long as stores maintain their regular purchase of sets.
It will take time because there are many whales who're too devoted to buying meta, blind to the unnecessary expense TCG Yu-Gi-Oh is in the competitive scene.
100$ for bon fire get the truck out of here 1400 for a case of Rarity collection 2 for chance pull oh hell yes. So dumb.
$100 for a ROTA ripoff that will be limited to 1 within a few weeks
@@ChadKing69 in my volcanics deck I only play 2 hard once per turn effect can be bricks sometime.
It's heartbreaking that yugioh content creators who make a living off this game are the most untrustworthy voices in the community- and they're the most dominant
It cost so much I had to start charging myself for pleasure
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Honestly Yu-Gi-Oh steuggles with the line between casual and competitive even at locals it can be pretty miserable if you want to play something fun
I stopped playing yugioh all together about 3 years ago. No buying cards, no dueling book or master duel. I do honestly keep up with the game via TH-cam but beyond that I can’t find myself to support the game in any other way. I have no proof but it’s my personal opinion that Konami TCG has their hands in the second hand market and actually encourages the price gouging that is done on sites like TCGPlayer. Also, the days of Yugioh being an interactive card game with your opponent has been dead for a while. If you go 1st and combo off with your $1,000+ dollar deck, you win. If you somehow manage to go second and draw 2-3 of your $100+ hand traps or combo stoppers, in all honesty you’ll probably still lose. All in all, life is expensive, especially in this day and age, and to spend ridiculous amounts of money on a piece of cardboard that will only be relevant for a year until the ban hammer comes down is just crazy
I like how these people think no one plays meta at locals or regionals. I literally only play meta decks at locals and regionals. Maybe a rogue deck every now and then.
So here's the thing, as someone who worked at a shop and has played yugioh and MTG competitively. If you're talking about prices of cards there is one major advantage ygo has over something MTG: Konami does not have the conecpty of a "reserved list" or a list of cards they will never reprint, even in functional similarity. yes, yu-gi-oh staples are expensive as fuck on release and for a few weeks after because of simple supply and demand. Some card prices stay insanely high because of scarcity, especially when there are little to no reprints. but Konami can and does reprint cards pretty aggressively so while you may not be able to play thos big staples immediately if you're on a tight budget (or unless you get super lucky) the prices do inevitably come down.
The other issue as far as cost is concerned is if you're playing in any game where there is a competitive environment, metagame homogeneity is a thing. The most optimal performing decks are going to share a lot of cards because that is what competition demands of them. At which point if you play the game you need to identify why you play. If you're trying to a top tier competitor, it's gonna cost you time and money. You can try and play a rogue deck or sneak wins from bigger decks by studying and leveraging the weaknesses in their strategies against them, which will potentially cost you less money but more time. The level of financial investment is entirely determined by your motivation for playing and, generally the type of decks you're drawn to play.
tldr: yes their structure needs to change, but the cost of entry/competition is up to the individual to decided.
I've been playing Dark Magician since before support existed and I bring jank to locals/competitive events when I feel like playing because I enjoy it and my budget is always super tight so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
the reserved list has had cards come off it before and those cards are literally only used in the format that is basically rich people showing off they are rich they have nothing to do with normal formats like modern and standard
@@michaelkeha my point in mentioning the reserved list is that it took control of printing policy out of the company's hands. If the reserved list didn't exist then these cards you describe as "for formats where rich people are showing off" would be no different than any other card. They could be reprinted and anyone, obviously budget allowing because while they're not hundreds of dollars they'd still be pricey, would be able to have access to them.
@@MajesticVampireking Nothing will ever go onto the reserved list again and Mark Rosewater considers it a huge blunder so it's a moot point. The formats people actually play don't care about reserved list cards.
In and of itself, I understand your argument. But when the one positive we can give to the structure of the game is that it's better than the company that sends the Pinkertons after people over cardboard rectangles, it's not a good rep. And we still have problems that "slip through the cracks" for long amounts of time like Accesscode Talker, Magician's Souls, AA-ZEUS, TY-PHON... many of whom haven't seen more than two or three high-rarity expensive printings and a few of them only getting their second or third reprint JUST NOW. After HALF A DECADE. Or around there by a year.
The fundamental issue is that it's the same loop recurred constantly. A new staple comes out, everybody wants it, they short print it for YEARS until it's struggling to keep up, and then and ONLY then do they release a ton of Reprints for it (if then). When that price goes down, the new staple is coming out so you never get to capitalize on that "inevitable come down" because the next, more powerful option is being released. That loop won't change, but it need to shorten or shift SLIGHTLY.
The final thing is... "The level of financial investment is determined by - " no. Sadly, it is not. We sadly do not get to profit off of the game in the same way companies and YTers get to do, and may not have the time to do all of that additional work (which in some cases even if we did, will lead to a resounding "pick a better deck" wakeup call that shoots you in the foot). We are highly motivated to play, and would be willing to invest the time and money... But we'd need to spend more time for the money and Konami will let it ride a GOOD minute before they reprint a real crazy chase card like that. And there's the other end of the spectrum too, where others will spend ridiculous amounts of money for a shiny card people want so they can have it in a complete set binder. There's no hard and fast rule for finances / playing motivation, because American Finance is among the most corrupt in the first world and because motivation =/= free study time.
Those all add together and come off as Yugioh thinking it's everyone's full time job and we can pay for those half-my-month's-rent-playset of Bonfires. It's just not. Being competitive should have an expense to it for the strong cards that everyone wants, that is a given. But other companies, other games, even the same game in another COUNTRY just getting it better than us on this treatment for no reason other than "american money printers go brrrrrr" is distasteful and disdainful on Konami's part imo.
Yooo! He's on to something with that duston fire princess dark magician deck
We cook now
I think Vendor is the key to "attacking" Konami TCG. With the current condition, because Vendors buy a lot of stock for reselling. From Konami's perspective, this is like "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". If vendors stop buying the packs, we all know YGO players won't want to buy boxes or packs because it is not worth it. This will have a huge impact on Konami TCG. You all need to collaborate with Vendors to take down Konami TCG's current system. If the boycott is only from the players, I don't think this will work.
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OCG looks cheaper because currency in Asia is mostly weaker than in Western countries. In my country, good modern deck price is around 10%-25% of the monthly minimum wage (some places have lower min. wage). I don't know the ratio in foreign country. But I know EU and US have stronger currencies than most Asian countries. Also, Westerners usually have a higher cost to make something.
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Asia has a big population. OCG system works because there is a large population of players that can support this system. So, when it is imported to TCG. Do you have enough people to support this system?
This is just a wild opinion because this needs detail data for Konami itself.
If Konami really wants to help the players out bring back rares into sets so that way every pack has a rare and a super and the desired cards have ultra rare printings in sets and the secrets can be any ultra in the set as a blinged out version. Collectors can go after secret rare versions of cards while the competitive players will see way more of the ultra rares being relevant and more commonly seen. Accessibility needs to be priority #1 for any tcg and yugioh has only gotten worse over time when it comes to this
The only way this is going to be fixed is for people to stop buying these overpriced cards, if sales slow down significantly vendors will have to start selling them cheaper or else end up keeping them
Then they close their store and we all go back to playing at the kitchen table with friends with sub par decks so no one has to overspend on cardboard. Or just use proxies 🤷♂
@@619Slipkif stores close down then the game is dead
@@619Slipkstores sell more games than just Yugioh. Are you shitting me.
@@spicymemes7458 Of course they do. In fact yugioh is kind of a small fish. Magic and pokemon move a lot more money. And stores are already taking big Ls on Magic 👍.
Bunch of stores closed during the pandemic for abvious reasons, but even after things normalized some of them are struggling to keep afloat, and some didn't manage to.
@@619Slipk Most of my local stores don't even carry Yugioh because there's not enough demand. It's mostly Magic and Warhammer. Of the two that regularly sell any of it one basically only has bulk that it gets when people mix it up with other games or dump extra commons and rares when they buy a box. The other one has a very competitive meta, but still makes more with magic and pokemon.
imo the biggest factor is that most people aren't ready to invest time into preparing, testing and deckbuilding.
last year we saw rather cheap decklists like salamangreat (pre-LD10), floo, marincess or virtual world get YCS tops. you can do well at the highest level without spending a ton. you just have to play very well, make good meta calls and of course get lucky.
the huge cardpool allows that. nobody "forces" you to play one deck. especially in formats as wide as this current one
You have a point but the truth is also that time is money. Why would someone with the availability on hand perform all of the complicated labbing and theorizing against S:P little knight when they could just pay money and also play S:P little knight? The people that don't have the money, often don't have a lot of time as they need to get money from somewhere. Those with the time would rather spend the money.
@@Ddelsol47 That might be one of the worst points someone has ever made. One of the currently strongest decks is Mannadium. It's an absurdely expensive deck, even now that many of it's costful cards got reprinted to go down from 60€+ to ~5€. To play this deck even half-effective, you surely need a Master's degree in who know's what rocket science. It's not only about building a deck but also about learning how to use it.
@@Luna-Starfrost
...Great, we have a deck that's expensive, powerful, and difficult. Do we have a deck that's cheap, powerful, and easy, or do most decks follow the standard "Less Money = More Difficulty" curve? Heck, we can even abbreviate it to "Less Money, Less Difficulty Choice" if you care too much about accuracy...
Yeah sure there's decks that are harder to play than others and some will still be expensive. The fact is, if you have the free time to deeply study a lot of deck theories and strategies like Mannadium, that means youre confident that you've got more than enough money to make rent AND still have enough extra to afford the cards you need (cause you're testing and labbing the cards you consider before you buy them if you're sane). If you don't have the second part, you're not gonna do the first part, or you're stupid.
*OH YEAH, AND DOESNT MANNADIUM STILL PLAY SP AND TRIPLE FENRIR?* Sooo... Why lab against it when you can play it still applies? For a "worst point of all time", I don't see what you're getting at - Those with time usually spend the money, those without money will lack time.
What's frustrating as hell is being a casual player, who enjoys an archetype for its gimmick, only to find that one random card in the archetype is $45 because it's part of some stupid competitive combo that has little enough to do with the actual archetype as a whole.
I have no idea about Yugioh and this video popped up. the line "Don't use the floor as a barometer" should be a life advice.
Vanguard is cheaper if bushiroad got as much hype as magic and Yu-Gi-Oh we might see a large migration
Shadowverse Evolve is another Bushiroad product and is even cheaper and I'd argue it's better than Vanguard.
@@geek593 too be frank I enjoyed my short time playing with it but figuring out where the hell these fairies come from IRL playing forest craft is confusing
I doubt it
Yu-Gi-Oh players are the one base least likely to ever migrate to a different tcg because the game offers something that pretty much no other does, it's lack of a resource system
@@Omega_1306 You keep a bunch of tokens in your deck box and put them on the field when your cards say "summon a fairy token" or put them in the backrow when they say "put a fairy token in your EX area". Every card does what it says it does.
@@elemomnialphaAdd to it that until more alternative formats get enough recognition, all cards are legal for regular play.
Aka: No set rotation.
In fairness, there has to be a balance in this discussion between the low end and super expensive. You can absolutely build a fun, effective deck without 100 cards. A friend and I have multiple decks like that which are very fun to play.
Players don’t need Bonfire. It is a card for a small type usable in a currently strong archtype. It is not a ubiquitous staple necessary for a fighting chance.
The rotating argument doesn’t answer why the most expensive stuff is new. And not the real old stuff that’s hard to find.
The issue here lies not just in meta cards being absurdly expensive, but the lack of budget options that can serve as replacements. For example, in spite of Magic the Gathering's Commander format having staples that are several hundred dollars (Gaea's Cradle, Mana Crypt, Dual Lands, etc.) there are replacement cards that are mere dollars or even cents that are only marginally worse (Circle of Dreams Druid, Sol Ring, and Painlands respectively).
I remember hearing that Kazuki Takahashi explicitly didn't want cash prizes for the winners of YCS for fear they'd turn out like Kaiba: a spoiled rich kid who rubs his wealth in peoples' faces.
Well, it appears his fears were well-founded.
he knew the gaming world very well.
8:48 "Just win a YCS"
Says the guy that has never won a YCS even with meta decks and staples, what a clown.
That first argument about normal//competitive is hilarious. Like Magic is cheap too, you can buy a stack of 10 cent commons and make a deck. You don't have to spend $1500+ on a Modern deck, just show up with your $10 jank
I think the biggest problem I have with people who are arguing for the point that the TCG is fine being so prohibitively expensive to the point that a literal meta engine, not even just a deck, but an engine comprising maybe 10% of your overall deck size could set you back a months rent in value is that they fail to acknowledge or accept that in quite literally the SAME FUCKING CARD GAME Konami has a proven cheaper and more accessible system being demonstrated in the OCG, which shows by proxy just how badly the "western side" of the game is getting screwed in the same breath.
Its not an issue with the secondary market, the vendors, the players level of commitment or accolades, it's an issue with the system of distribution of the cards and the pack layout by Konami at a fundamental level.
8:25 I thought I fell in the twilight zone
Dont confuse "EXPENSIVE cards okay if GOOD" with "GOOD cards should always be EXPENSIVE" those are two completly different statments that should never ever be mixed up becuase it causes people to get angry at two VERY different questions. Everyone wants cheap good cards but everyone should understand if good cards are expensive (There is a limit before it gets stupid and ridiculuos though)
No. Cards should be cheap. Period.
Shiny versions of cards, alternative arts, special editions, those are the ones allowed to be expensive.
Agreed. Alternate arts, higher rarities for collectors, those are what should be 10+ dollar cards. Literally nothing else. Any printed piece of shiny cardboard being sold for more than that is a scam. It's not like they are losing money.
Randall, thanks for keeping at this topic. Its super important. Could you maybe do a discussion about English Edition for Asia? Nobody else is talking about it.
When Pokemon gets mentioned, really to play competitive it's dirt cheap. Like compared to other TCGs, it is dirt dirt *DIRT* cheap. You can literally buy 2 of the same league battle deck, splice the thing, and you got a real competitive deck. The $150+ idk what they're buying, but that's over the top of necessity. Like 2 theme decks I mentioned you're good, everything you need. And that's the problem with the Yu-Gi-Oh TCG. Like can you play it for cheap? Sure. But competitive cheap? Nope. And that's something to really change. And that's where the issues really are. We're not dumb, we see how the OCG is treated compared to the TCG, and the TCG needs that same treatment.
Paying crazy amount for yugioh cards is a bad financial decision. They reprint everything into the ground. You cannot make any money in Yu-Gi-Oh playing events because price support is like nothing. Try playing One Piece you got promo cards that have the value of entry or even more and when you win you win big. Also calling somebody a pro player does not exist in yugioh. Its a fun game to play but not to make money in.
I also hate what they do in One Piece. Everything Is about the Money, not enjoying the game. Product is so so scarce, scaplers are rampant, and Bandai Is doing nothing to help.
@@starbound100 you can't scalp that what is not avaible. Even for me as a store owner when I order 10 cases and I get 4 of them wave 1 and 3 more wave 2 I have to use the boxes for price support for weekly event and some I break down for singles. Its not enough to go around and the high prices stores are asking is because they don't want to sell out before the newest set and why let a another make the money when you can make it yourself.
Trif not having won a YCS is hilarious to me, why would you say those things in that position 😂
It's really hard to consider anyone casual when the latest form of the digital format is fueled by competition. And that's where most people care to play if they're not going to locals.
Yes, we have outliers looking for groups on reddit to casually play paper yugioh, and the surprisingly substantial amount of people defending the 2 player starter set. But the latter really seems to treat yugioh as the same childhood game we grew up with, where boosters and starter decks were our cheapest ways to get cards because we didn't all have access or the will to go to the card shop and just get the small list of cards that would destroy our friends in a heartbeat.
Like I'm just a kid and I can't get more than 1 to 2 hundred dollars together at a time, even though I want to play competitively I just can't, it almost feels cheaper to learn Japanese, buy the cards and just play there
Budget versions of decks like scareclaw, dinomorphia, floo, resonator, fire kings and traptrix can be made under $40 and win both locals and regionals (which you consider to be a competitive level).
exept floo needs to be comp 200€ worth of staples. yeah buddy you choose bad decks to showcase this.
@@nsreturn1365not even true anymore. Every expensive card for flo has been reprinted you can literally build the deck with everything you need for $50 and thats me being generous. You can probably get the core for $10-15, pots for 20, handtraps, feather storm etc, $10 and then bulk for your extra deck. Scareclaw is literally pennies on the dollar the only expensive card being vicious astraloud and you only need one, virtually every runick deck is viable
you are half right. yes, they can all be made under $40, but they cannot win any manner of regionals unless you drop over $100 into them. and even then, you're likely not playing them at full potential unless you drop over $200 on them.
@@vla1ne dinomorphia and floo dont need much outside of themselves that is too expensive everything has an accessible reprint now
@@MaliEndz looking it up, the last two dinomorphia decks to top a ycs or a regional were in may 2022 (top 16) at $80 and 2023 (18th) at $55, so i was wrong there.
As for floo, the last 10 decks ( all late 2023) to top a regional/ycs were over $100, and of those, 5 of them were over $200, with 1 even being over 300, so i'm not wrong there.
"other card games are cheaper because they have set rotation"
Magic the Gathering: *laughs in $100 Sheoldred, a 4 of in every black deck*
see the thing is with mtg for say modern(don't know the standard prices are these days) that grand plus you putting down is for a deck as in a complete deck you can go and beat down an fnm with not just for some cards that go into a deck you still have to buy
The secondary market definitely sets the price. People r willing to shell out over $100 on a bonfire so it becomes valued at that amount since people will pay that much to get it. Classic supply and demand. The biggest issue regarding the secondary market is its landscape could be totally different like in the ocg or Pokémon where they have multiple rarities of staples. Rarity collection is definitely a step in the right direction and they r printing a sequel. Hopefully cuz Konami learned that they need to make generic staples more accessible cuz at the end of the day it gets more people to play the game which helps keep the game alive. I like this cuz I love Yugioh. The only real money that u should spend on a deck is for the core itself. I’ve been playing long enough that I’ve held all my staples even after they lost value so I only have to get a deck core and add them in. Not everyone is like this tho especially if they just started playing. They wouldn’t have had the opportunity to pick those staples up in the past. And depending on the price of the deck core u can just get structures cheaply to form a competent deck core and upgrade with staples that should be affordable. Also I agree that locals is a competitive event. Not the most competitive but still a competition. Even a non competitive locals is still a tournament where u r tracking wins and losses. There r standings and some amount of prizing, usually small, but it’s a small competition compared to ycs and nats. Keyword there tho is it’s a competition, a tournament. Lastly I’ll leave u with this. Mtg TH-camr pleasantkenobi has similar opinions regarding magic which also has become very expensive which is crazier considering most people who play magic aren’t competitive but casual commander players but that doesn’t mean they don’t want strong cards to put in their decks. He says the same things about multiple rarities. Reprint expensive cards with an affordable rarity for people to acquire the game pieces they need to play the game and then print special full art, fancy foils, etc for people who can and want max rarity or for collectors who want a cool version of a card as a collector piece. This gets more people playing which overall enhances the health of the game. Wotc has done this to some degree with sets from the last four years having multiple rarities of cards but it still hasn’t been enough. It does help with new cards tho. A brand new card like bonfire wouldn’t make sense to reprint so soon so instead they could’ve just printed multiple versions. Like the lower rare versions would still cost something as it would still only be available in the newest set but maybe $5-10 at most per copy. And it’s not like this would impact sales. People would still buy the set to pull bonfire. Stores would buy it to sell singles and they would easily offload any bonfires of any rarity cuz players of all incomes would want the card. Ygo players especially love max rarity so even people who couldn’t afford the more expensive version would probably still buy it but doing it this way gives anyone a realistic opportunity to acquire the game pieces to play. They do need to keep the ev of boxes somewhat high, at least high enough for stores to buy boxes for singles and expect to recoup the costs of the boxes by selling said singles. We need this so we have places to play at and buy cards from. At the end of the day tho it is simple economics. The players control demand which will always be high cuz ygo players r so deranged they will pay anything for a card but Konami controls supply and they can print more versions of a card so that the supply of the card can meet the demand for it thus the secondary market can set a price that is reasonable to the average consumer especially in the midst of a cost of living crisis
Love you for this video and speaking up I dropped the game because of this it's been a problem for years
I play essentially every other card game because I just love playing cards I grew up on yugioh but it's just too expensive to play competitively and even if there is no rotation power creep happen so quickly it's insane
Its good to be grounded with all of this. Even when i got some of the best cards at the time (JD, Mirror Force, Injection Fairy Lily to name a few) i worked with cards i had. This game is expensive and for the most part Konami is at fault.
3x structure deck for life!Battles of legend is usually worth getting for support besides the tins.
Money will always be spent….!
I recently bought 3 Structure Decks of the Crimson King and been practicing/modifying. With that deck, it does amazing things. The only decks I have built myself are HEROs and Eldlich/Zombie World and at the locals I go to (3rd time currently), My Zombies couldn’t keep up with the meta. My HEROs, a little bit better. I got my locals today and I wanna see how far I get in with that deck. Majority of the people using are Fire Kings.
Coming from a person who is coming back, its incredibly hard to really back because how most of the new staple stuff is really expensive or i have to wait for reprints to even barely upgrade my old ass deck to somewhat playable levels and man... im regretting coming back
Well said. I haven't been able to play in person for a while because it's too expensive. Not sure how anyone can actually justify these cards costing so much. I'd love to play in person again because for me it's a much more fun experience than just playing master duel, but I really can't imagine having to spend hundreds of dollars to play a deck again. I mean I'd love to play the new infernoid and sky striker stuff when it eventually comes out and I have the old cores of those decks, but I guarantee they'll be high rarity and/or any other support cards I need that I don't have will be. So ridiculous
Bare minimum should be that we should make Konami do OCG rarities but in the TCG. I want scrubs to misplay, not be gatekept by money.
The cards are already available in several rarities, including bonefire in UR and CR. Does it change anything? No, so stop with that, what you want is for the best cards to be more printed, not more rarities.
@@sufx0845 CR are a collector rarity with a stupidly minimal pull chance.
Not an average rarity with actual copies in a box being likely.
When people are talking about multiple rarities people are refering to a rare/super print, ultra print and CR print as then there's actually a reasonable access to the card while having a blingy option available
@@GG_Nowa so not the ocg system obviously because you have cards which have the lowest UR rarity in ocg
@@sufx0845UR rarely cost much money in OCG tho. Most staples rpnited in either common, rare, or super. Ultra sometimes also yea but those csrds rarely being staple, usually archtype cards, but even most important card for those archtypes usually super and below.
@@sufx0845stop misinforming people. Ocg boxes have more ultra rares than ours, and cards are not secret rare locked. How having 6 good card spots instead of 2 would not make a difference is beyond me.
Coming from pokemon where the TOP competitive decks will cost you 60$ max, this debacle is absolutely ridiculous lol. In yugioh that's not even enough for a full playset of one card, Konami and yugituber shills have absolutely no excuse.
If they’re so hyped about having a “luxury” stigma: would they be mad if Konami charged a premium for premium events then? Locals stay at $6-7 and the YCS entry gets raised to $60 :)
It's sad to witness some of these content creators speak from a high pedestal of opportunity, looking down at their own viewers & and the majority of the player base as a whole. I'd say they are, by in large, oblivious & privileged.
First of all, not everyone is sponsored by big name card shops that cover their travel expenses & decks to compete at large events because they are considered part of a "team." Also, not many make thousands from covering the game across social media. Furthermore, the majority of the player base is certainly NOT sponsored by the company that distributes the game itself.
Even sponsorship should not be enough to explain such delusion. "Farfa" & "Team APS" have actually made articulate points across the board, highlighting the fact that card prices are getting out of hand, making the comparisons to other TCGs & our OCG with different rarity options upon set releases to alleviate that impact on the players. It's a shame that sponsorship & an "out of touch" perspective has seemingly clouded the judgment of a large scale of "Yu-Gi-Oh!" online personalities.
Commemorating Ulti-Cannahawk no longer on the F & L list. 🐦⚡️
As an ocg player i kinda wanna bling out my deck sometimes too😂😂
Can I get a break down of the forces that make a card so expensive?
I keep seeing reductive arguments that that say Konami did it with out supporting work.
What are the ratios that are printed? Data to compare.
Thank you for your time.
Yep Yugitubers like House of Champions do pull rate breakdowns for nearly every new set that releases. The pull rates for certain rarities are generally
8:1 common
1:1 super
1:6 ultra
1:12 secret
@@MegaCapitalG Thank you. This is some of the first information hard information I got.
This helps me understand some of the economics behind this now.
Does anyone know the sheet size of pre cut cards?
The best part about expensive staple cards in exclusively yugioh is that they are guaranteed to be worthless 2-4 years after their release. So players are just paying for a +$100 ticket to play the game for a year per card.
My question is in a what-if scenario that the TCG follows the OCG's method in having multiple rarities of cards that will change deck building and the meta, will it sustain Konami in the long run?
I see the OCG thriving in their method, but more information is needed from the players there.
The game already has problems getting new players involved. Following the OCG method just prolongs the games ability to survive by retaining the player base and getting some older ones back.
only a fundamental shift in how the game is played is gonna get new people in as the game is basically way too steep a learning curve for new players but dropping the prices by using the ocg printing system will keep the players around longer
It wouldn't change a thing, since cards are already available in several rarities in TCG, that doesn't stop cards from being expensive. What you want isn't more rarity, it's stronger cards with lower rarities, or a reduction in display prices...
@@sufx0845 the point with the ocg system is they come in multiple rarities including a lower one usually off the bat which keeps the price for staples stable and cheaperb
@michaelkeha A lower rarity ? Do you know what you're talking about or not? The best cards are printed in UR, Ultimate, CR, QCR, not in "lower rarity" and they are boosters which do not have a guaranteed SR... the difference is above all that the boxes are significantly less expensive in Japan and that's what makes the difference, not the multiple rarities.
after a quick look into yugioh top decks vs magic( were I come from) for stander it is sad to say that yugioh is more expensive than stander magic. Yugioh's problem's are numerous and would need to worked on over years or they need to hit the reset button like Cardfight Vanguard did.
Magic rotate cards, not yugi. You have to compare yugioh with magic formats without rotation.
Standard is the most expensive it's ever been because they keep printing mythics designed for other formats into standard sets. The worst part about the current YGO format is that it's the same price as Modern, a format where decks routinely cost $600-$1200 because their decks are made up of lots of $10-30 cards printed over the past 20 years.
can someone explain what different ocg and tcg? Sorry I'm new yu gi oh here
Ocg are the Asian regions like Japan 🇯🇵 and China 🇨🇳.
Tcg is North America , Europe, South America, Oceania
@@MegaCapitalG now I know. Thanks for explain it. I very appreciated
Cap and H2H represent 2 polar opposite sides of the coin in this conversation. Ultimately Konami is going to keep doing these practices because of how fractured the yugioh community is and neither cap or any other content creator can influence that.
It depends...
If you have your staples, Dark Ruler, Ash, Droll, Super Poly, Evenly, Imperm, Nibiru, etc. Then the game is very cheap. You can roll up with absolute trash and win constantly. If you win, you get money to buy better stuff.
If you don't have those staples, the game is extremely expensive. Those staple cards are what win games, and they rotate frequently, so you will have to buy them as they become relevant. Becomes very taxing. You have to be on those when they get released.
But no, you do not need SP, Thrust, Sinful package to win. I won Tear format with Ghoti. I won Kash format with Gate Guardian and Gold Pride. Now, I'm looking for a good deck in this format, but I'm keeping that a secret.
Yugioh can be cheap, If you build one of the worst decks and hope to never win ever.
Counter: What if you build two or more cheap, but among the worst decks, and deliberately have them play against each other??
Imagine paying $100 card for that in 8 to 15 months will be $10.
the craziest thing is my area doesn't even have a locals so telling me to win a locals for prizing and cards is even more asinine.