What a wonderfully informative video. And can we all just appreciate the expense Ollie has gone to in order to produce this video. Countless amounts of cycles to determine these findings, and that’s a lot of gas! Airsoft gas is rather expensive for the little amount you get, so thank you Ollie for providing this service. Legend! 🤙 Also thanks for the shoutout 😉
Yeah there was a lot of testing, lots of gas all over the place, each day I was thinking, just one more test to be sure 😂 and it just went on! Thanks for your support buddy it really means a lot ☺️
I love finding videos like this were it's very informative with objective pros and cons with plenty of testing. I appreciate the Time and effort that went into this. I hope you're doing well bro❤
hey ollie, just want to say thanks as always for the insightful video(s) on the MWS system. Having all this info condensed in one channel is great. Cheers!
Such an awesome detailed video, greatly appreciate how much you are contributing for people like me who just recently got a TM MK18 GBBR. I absolutely adore this rifle, I am still getting used to not going trigger happy compared to my AEG but the feel of the GBBR is too good and it lets me improve my aim haha.
Thx for your very informative video. MWS was my first gbbr. I've owned it since 2018. I'd always had problem with the magazines. They'd spill out gas whether it was green gas or normal gas too soon. Then I tried inserting a tiny rubber o-ring in the gas valve at the bottom to stop gas spilling out. It seemed to work for some time until the vavle gave out. And I bought a new gas valve for Hi Capa and do the green gas mode and it works. Now I can fill as much gas I want (of course I will follow your advice as to the appropriate amount of gas). Your tip on titling the magazine while charging it is really ingenius.
I'm really glad that you've found a setup that works for you, it can be a minefield trying to get everything working right all the time. And also very glad you're still on the mws after 4 years, legit the best Airsoft gun ever!! Are you on the discord server?
@@고유진-o7c I don't run it, I am on there too. My old housemate set it up funnily enough. It's a really good community with all things TM Gas 24/7 discord.gg/TYCPjg7F6g
My man Ollie strikes again bringing in that really awesome knowledge on the MWS system! Half of my mags are GG Modded and standard, I’m very much the same I top up my mags, I generally don’t load them back up mid game, only when the round is over. I would agree with you that overall depending on your play style, the results may vary in terms of performance. I’m quite an aggressive player in the sense of hitting the objectives etc, however I like to play quite tactically and only really engage with targets I can hit, or when I know I’m gonna win that engagement. Fundamentally I think GBBR players, have a totally different play style compared to AEG/HPA users and are more deliberate in their engagements, rather than the spray and pray mentality. This I think can mitigate some of the issues you’ve raised in your video, namely with liquid gas going through the system. But that being said I think it’s a really important point to make especially with those moving over to GBB systems from AEG! Great video again! 💪
Great points, I think you're right about how most GBBR players play, we pick and place our shots. I was most surprised but the boost in consistency, I did fast shooting, slow shooting, waiting between BB reloads and not and each time the GG modded mags were more stable. It's just the overfilling that can cause some issues but nothing catastrophic. I think for a lot of people the middle ground would be the best place to sit but it's all about the temperature really. I could talk about it for hours! Always appreciate your support, thank you!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft good to hear you enjoy the content mate! Recently picked up a TM MWS GBBR so your channel has been a goldmine haha, managed to successfully change the nozzle from 1 of your videos👍🏼
Oh nice glad I could help, the mws is next level the performance and shooting experience is just great!! I'll look forward to seeing you out on the field absolutely slaying with it!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft fell in love with it the first game I played, got a gameplay video coming with it soon🤟🏼. Also, do you have any plans to make a video on a hop rubber change for the MWS by any chance?
Oh yes, so this is another big subject worth my time, I'm currently getting loads of different hop rubbers and nubs to see what combinations actually work best. It'll be a few weeks but it'll be pretty definitive 😎 I'm looking forward to seeing the upcoming gameplay, stay awesome!!
Evening mate, I've got a mix of modded and original mags. Something that works for me for the none modded mags is fill it the other way(mag on top and bottle sat on the table) flip 180 degrees. The gas drops to the bottom of the mag without blocking the end of the nozzle.
I came here with a question of how many bbs can i get from one gg bottle and i got the answer. So if my calculations are right, one gg bottle that holds 375g of gas can fill 25 mags+- (15g per fill/70-80bbs). That means that one gg bottle is enough for at least 1750-2000 bbs.
Greetings from the middle of Canada! I enjoy all your videos and I've been looking forward to this one. In the winter the airsoft community in our city is limited to playing at one cqb field. All of my MWS mags are modified. I played with the MWS and I noticed when firing aggressively the mags would empty all contents. Another MWS user that game who didn't pull the trigger as quickly or often had little trouble using the MWS system in our skirmish. In addition the ambient indoor temp was cold. The temp outside was around -30 that night. When I tried to refill the mags to keep gas in them but the fill valves seemed to fail. I thought perhaps my hammer spring is too weak, nozzle might be too weak, bulb might have frozen and the mags aren't holding gas anyway due to the fill valve. I made some modifications to my system with a Posiedon Ice Pick Valve and and AMG 'Winter Spring Set' in the trigger box. The troublesome fill valves have also been replaced with Nine Ball Inlet Valves. They fill with gas and the gun fires. All that aside, your study and review of the Green Gas Mod is insightful, as always.
Hello, thanks for your message. It sounds like you're right at the extreme end of cold weather and you'll be pushing your MWS to the max! Are you using a lightweight bolt at the moment? it'll help a bit if you're not already doing it. What gas do you use, I think I'd be in the MAPP gas at those temperatures!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft It had a rough go that skirmish but I was impressed it worked at all! I'm only using a stock bolt at the moment but I can see that's an ideal place to cut weight in the system. Thanks for the tip! For fuel I'm using camping propane with a Mad Bull adapter. I haven't used MAPP yet... but I'll probably test out 'Black Gas' as I hear it's a little more heavy duty that reg. propane. Keep up the great work!
I've never been able to get a good gas fill without adding orings. I saw in the manual to charge while tilted but that didnt help for me. I'll have to try this trick of starting vertical and while gas is flowing THEN tilt it.
Hey Ollie, great video and thanks for making and sharing this. I’ve just acquired an MWS that came with gen 3 mags. Do they require any different modification/techniques than the gen 2 mags? I haven’t been able to find any information on them at all so far. I assume that they just require an O ring thrown on the inlet valve and the tilt but I wasn’t sure as I’m very new to the MWS. Thanks!
So there won't be much of a difference, as long as you tilt the mag you should be fine getting enough gas in there. When people (including me) refer to the versions of the mag its only ever really subtle differences, like the fill restrictor being glued in better or a slightly higher gauge of spring for the side of the follower. With regard to the silent fill valves I don't use them because I like that the mags spill some gas when they're full so I don't overfill them, as in game you never know how much gas is left in your mag so then I'm back in the safe zone refilling I just fill all the mags till they spill some gas out and I never have any mags run out, if I were you id just run the mags as they are.
Great video. I've just started my mws journey. Do I need to stick to tm mws mags or do any other mags work and feed well Keep up the content I'm slowly working my way through it and learning loads
tm mags are great but the GM p mags are probably just a bit better but are more expensive, you can always put guarder routers in the tm mags to bump up their recoil and power a bit
Thank you for this video! VERY informative. I got one question tho. TM recommends 134a or 144a gas...and designed the overall system for it. However, when you use Green Gas anyways, does it harm your stock MWS or is using Green Gas just fine? i've read the system will wear and tear easier with GG than with 134/144. All i've upgraded so far is the Buffer to a heavyweight, got the standard Bolt and spring in it. I want to upgrade my inner barrel to a full length 14" got any recommendation?
Well when it comes to green gas it does wear more but it's in totally worth it it. I've been running thews hard on green gas from day 1 with a heavy recoil setup as soon as it came out. I've run black gas loads too, and have only ever had mi or issues, like the nozzle return spring failing which is a known issue. But the gun is solid, it eats green gas all day long. As for the inner barrel I've had a lot of luck with the maple leaf crazy jet barrels but it's all about the polishing and the microns, and to be honest it's more about the hop. Rubber and nub matching will out perform any inner barrel in terms or noticeable difference. Them after you have the perfect combo you can look at an inner. And don't worry I've got another big video planned going over ALL the major hops and nubs and what to use together
Yo Ollie so I cut my fill tube just an inch looking for winter performance but it did’nt work so well and I am planning cutting to the same level as the fill valve. That should leave the venting function, and you can actually top off gas, in theory, what do you think? Only negative I am seeing is loss of full auto all together, even at summer temperatures.
Good video man. Did you do any tests with only cutting an inch off the tube? If you top up a mag with the tube just cut an inch off, would that be overfilling?
That's the one variation I didn't do as it'll mean that at some point I will have to do it to all the mags and I'm lazy!! I think just removing an inch would be a good middle ground for most players needing to get a bit more gas in the mag but who understand the problems of overfilling. But I do also think that as long as people are getting a good 15g in a non modified magazine then it will work fine. The biggest surprise for me was the FPS consistency gains, although in hindsight it was to be expected.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft yeah i think so. I would do the GG mod cause Norway as we spoke of before, but I'm heavy on the trigger. While not doing full auto, i tend to fire semi quickly sometimes. I'm going to do the tilt trick next game and take it from there. If it doesn't work out, i might start by taking an inch off the magazines. If push comes to shove, I'll just have to start bringing a scale :p Thanks for the video man, you make good and informative content. Excellent channel for all MWS users.
@@sonnern thanks buddy I really appreciate it 😊 Yeah hopefully the tilt will help you out but if not then taking an inch or so off the fill limiter will definitely see you getting more full power shots!! Good luck buddy!
@@sonnern also if you do end up taking scales then make sure you always weigh on a fully loaded mag (with BBs) otherwise it'll throw your number right off!!
I'm using a V1 to test as they're the worst. (Making it as hard as possible) the tilt works with all versions of the mag. Unless you've done the GG mod in which case it makes no difference.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Hi! how do I know if my mags are v1 or v2? just had my mk18 with a spare mag, running it on a puff dino green gas 14 is okay, right?
hello, first of all thank you for all the videos which are very enriching! a question that I can't answer, can the mws run with ultrair without damaging the replica? thank you in advance !
Great video! I am just now purchasing an MWS and six magazines for it. If I’m only going to be playing in warm weather and I’m not a real aggressive player and I want to run green gas in it what mods do I need to do to just be able to run green gas in it or to make it green gas ready?
Most green gas comes with silicone oil and this is fine to use, if you use dry green gas you have to take a bit more care of your bolt as it'll dry out. I use GG with silicone basically all the time as there isn't enough in there to mess up performance. People also use propane a lot as it's cheaper and with that again you just have to make sure you give the bolt a blast of silicone spray to keep it in good condition every couple of games.
Hi Ollie, I thought that the green gas mod was only required on the v1 TM mags and not V2 and, if they are out now, V3? Regardless, another great video, many thanks.
So from what I can remember the changes from v1 to v1.5 were to do with the BB follower. Then from v1.5 to V2 they changes the inlet valve and glued the limiting tube inside. I think for most people as long as they do the tilt they should be fine but there's people all ove the world with different setups, play styles and ambient temperatures so everyone is going to be slightly different. Someone in North America may not need to do the GG mod but for someone in Canada it may be the right move.
Hi, do you have any plans to review the Angry Gun adjustable MWS nozzle for the TM M4? I can't seem to find anything online about it? Also, thanks for this video, it was really useful! 👍
I have one actually and don't really rate it, I think the orga is that best npas out there but I think I may get all of them and test to find the best!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft damn! I just purchased one ha ha.. what is the Orga, I haven’t heard about that? Do you have a link please? Ps thanks for replying 👍
@@jumbaleo1 orga-airsoft.com/products/list.php?category_id=347 this is the one. I got my Angry Gun one a few years ago so they may have made it better in that time.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Yes, I got the V2 version this week. Okay, thanks for your advice it is really appreciated! And thanks for the Orga link, please keep up the good work 🙂
Did the mod and the efficiency is now far worse. Cut the tube to just above the brass valve inside. No matter the angle or how long in gas it for with different gasses, it sucks. What have I done wrong?
Kinda but not really, I do it anyway but it's a smaller gas resivoir so doesn't work as well, also I'm not a fan of the short mags. The feed lips were always a bit off
@@OllieTalksAirsoft i just did the tilting hack with my 20 round magazine and it works but not in the best way. i do understand that the 35 round magazines are better. what version of the 35 round magazine do you recommend? im not going to do the green gas modification that much. I would just cut the metal pipe to around 2 fingers and not 1. i dont really want to overfill my magazine.
Great video ollie. Thank you very much for sharing this knowledge, it helps a lot to the idiot player like me always confused is the mag full of gas or not
Hi can you do this mod with the TM type 89 gas mags 35 round ?? if so could you just not cut so much so you don't have to count ? "I'm looking to get 2 mags consistent"
Ollie, two questions: 1 - what gas should I use in my TM MWS M4A1? In the summer and in the winter? Lubricated or not? 2 - If I use an HPA adatper, do I need to lubricate the replica more? THank you.
Hi Ollie, I ‘think ‘ I’ve seen all you TM AKM vids. and I’ve just ordered mine. I’m new to Gasbbr, so can you please advise me: Is Ultrair GG ok in this unti, also, using your ‘tilt and fill’ technique, approx. how many fills will I get to a can of gas ? Thnx
Maybe 20 mag fills from a can of gas, zeroone pro gas is cheapest green gas to buy in bulk. Ultra air is very good, slightly smaller cans and metal fill nozzle so more leakage, cheapest place for that is fire support. I don't think the GG mod is necessary on the AKM, tilting the mags seems to work pretty well to get enough to mag dump.
I’ll look these up. Thnx for you replies…GG & Wood Kit. I appreciate your time and commitment. I guess there’ll be a few more Q’s when I’m up and running. Really looking forward to its arrival. In the meantime thnx again.
Off topic, but have you tried the Angry Gun MPA nozzle for the MWS? Thinking about getting it as it has an NPAS built in. What about the MEC PTS buffer? Haven't heard many people talk about it but it seems good.
I have tried the Angry Gun nozzle and I wasn't very impressed to be honest but it may also be worth checking with others on the discord group and see what they think. If you need a link let me know and I'll send it over. I've not tried the MEC PTS buffer and I have to say as far as GBB stuff goes PTS are yet to come out with a product that's impressed me, and I have their mega arms rifle. It looks similar to the G&P, anything that's light and has a moveable weight will be as good I'm sure but given it's just a buffer I can't see them messing it up that badly!!
I think it probably would help with some of the issue, the gas is still liquid in the mag so it'll likely it will still spray out but without the added silicone the system will only get cold rather than wet with silicone also. I think I'll have to give it a try, good shout!!
Hello Ollie, greetings from Spain. I have a question. I was wondering if you can fill an standar mws marui mag with co2 and see what happened. I actually never seen a video or a comment about that. Do you think that the mws can manage the co2 or on the contrary it will broke into pieces or something? I have the mtr model with the g&g valve and heavy buffer kit. Thanks a lot and thanks for Your very helpfull channell!!
good question, I think the mag seals would likely below or leak as CO2 is 850 psi and Green Gas is about 100 psi so a bit difference. the biggest problem would likely be getting the hammer strong enough but im sure the gun could take it, I may give it a go one day but not today 🤣
You get more gas into the mag, it's a balancing act. You don't need to do the GG mod but if you only want to get a bit more gas into the mag then cutting rather than removing the tube will help get a bit more gas in but will mean it's less likely you get the full splash like you do with a completely GG modded mag.
Hey Ollie what about the version 3 mags? I read on Reddit that tm changed the valve so green gas will not work unless you use a oring. Do you have any version 3 mags? And if so what is you’re experience with the mags? Plz help I’m confused
I've got all the versions of the TM mags over the years, they can all take green gas without modification. V3 mags have the restrictor valve in there hard so you often have to cut them to do the GG mod but it's not necessary in order to use green gas. the only TM product I know of that really can't take green gas is the tanks for the M870 full size as they expand. other than that all TM guns can take Green Gas, especially the MWS.
@@OllieTalksAirsofthey Ollie my version 3 mags seem to spit out gas within the first couple of seconds anything to fix this? I can barley clear the mag
Do you tilt the mags when you fill them? I did some videos about it. Check the video at the start and try that, works for everyone else with that issue.
@@OllieTalksAirsoftyeah i tried that but it just spits out almost immediately, maybe it’s because the green gas can im using is brand new so it’s pumping in a lot of liquid?
Good evening i have a problem filing my mws mags !With abbey brut gas it fils quite normaly but with another bottle that has pastic front end it splits out all the gas !first i thought it has to do with the filing valve disasembled the mag and it seems everything is normal! Can you help? Plz
weird, does the gas bottle fill other mags ok? the do spill a bit of gas often whilst filling but not usually a lot until the mag's full. with stuff like this I often put it to one side for a day or so and come back to it. you'd be surprised how much stuff fixes itself!!
R134a is a fridge gas. It's not a CFC. But it's pretty hefty at global warming. 1 gramme of 134a is equivelant to 1.4kg of CO2 --- or driving my RX8 for about 5km. 15 grammes of gas in the mag is equivelant to a 75km drive.
This seems like a ripe opportunity for 3rd-party support - why can't I just buy a Propane-specific MWS magazine? It would have a safety BOV also, so no need to time your pumps.
the guns modify p-mags are probably the best aftermarket mags that will take propane all day with no issues and for the most part don't really over fill. but the standard TM mags will take propane fine, even propylene (as long as you don't live in California or somewhere crazy hot), if you leave the restricting valve, (so don't do the GG mod) then you can fill them until capacity until they spill gas to let you know its full, so no timing the pumps. sounds like stock mags are the way forward, maybe add the guarder routers to give a bit more kick 😉
@@Obsolete_E for me deffo the TM, it shoots amazing out of the box and runs smoothly all day. I'm sure you've seen badabings comparison which sums it up excellently. I would say that GHK have had some QC issues recently with their M4's and the mags are more expensive.
@@Obsolete_E the TM MWS was over engineered from the start to you can use more powerful gas with it. The only part that always breaks is the nozzle return spring and an upgraded one costs about £5 and takes 5 mins to fit. After that being fitted I've heard of people running mapp+ gas, black gas and propalene for years without any problems.
What a wonderfully informative video.
And can we all just appreciate the expense Ollie has gone to in order to produce this video. Countless amounts of cycles to determine these findings, and that’s a lot of gas! Airsoft gas is rather expensive for the little amount you get, so thank you Ollie for providing this service.
Legend! 🤙
Also thanks for the shoutout 😉
Yeah there was a lot of testing, lots of gas all over the place, each day I was thinking, just one more test to be sure 😂 and it just went on!
Thanks for your support buddy it really means a lot ☺️
Yes, especially since you bizarrely deleted your video on the subject. Hmm,
yeah just make sure you open the windows that propane fume isn’t good for you!
This simple tip of tilting the mags is so useful, referred to this vid after gas was spraying out and not filling up fully, worked a charm!
I love finding videos like this were it's very informative with objective pros and cons with plenty of testing. I appreciate the Time and effort that went into this. I hope you're doing well bro❤
Ever since I got my mws I’ve been watching all your videos. So many little helpful tips. Thanks so much mate!
dude your videos are so informative, thank you! would you do a video talking about your favorite mws mod parts?
Thank you 👌🏽
hey ollie, just want to say thanks as always for the insightful video(s) on the MWS system. Having all this info condensed in one channel is great. Cheers!
Thanks buddy, comments like this really make my day 😁
Such an awesome detailed video, greatly appreciate how much you are contributing for people like me who just recently got a TM MK18 GBBR. I absolutely adore this rifle, I am still getting used to not going trigger happy compared to my AEG but the feel of the GBBR is too good and it lets me improve my aim haha.
Thx for your very informative video. MWS was my first gbbr. I've owned it since 2018. I'd always had problem with the magazines. They'd spill out gas whether it was green gas or normal gas too soon. Then I tried inserting a tiny rubber o-ring in the gas valve at the bottom to stop gas spilling out. It seemed to work for some time until the vavle gave out. And I bought a new gas valve for Hi Capa and do the green gas mode and it works. Now I can fill as much gas I want (of course I will follow your advice as to the appropriate amount of gas). Your tip on titling the magazine while charging it is really ingenius.
I'm really glad that you've found a setup that works for you, it can be a minefield trying to get everything working right all the time. And also very glad you're still on the mws after 4 years, legit the best Airsoft gun ever!! Are you on the discord server?
@@OllieTalksAirsoft no, are you running one?
@@고유진-o7c I don't run it, I am on there too. My old housemate set it up funnily enough. It's a really good community with all things TM Gas 24/7 discord.gg/TYCPjg7F6g
@@OllieTalksAirsoft I've joined in. Thx!!
Thanks Ollie! The tilt made it so much better.
Hi Ollie, thanks very much for the video, I'm a big fun!!!!!!!!!!. Keep the good work up!!
Thanks buddy 😊
I wish you all the best olli , love your vids !
My man Ollie strikes again bringing in that really awesome knowledge on the MWS system!
Half of my mags are GG Modded and standard, I’m very much the same I top up my mags, I generally don’t load them back up mid game, only when the round is over.
I would agree with you that overall depending on your play style, the results may vary in terms of performance.
I’m quite an aggressive player in the sense of hitting the objectives etc, however I like to play quite tactically and only really engage with targets I can hit, or when I know I’m gonna win that engagement.
Fundamentally I think GBBR players, have a totally different play style compared to AEG/HPA users and are more deliberate in their engagements, rather than the spray and pray mentality.
This I think can mitigate some of the issues you’ve raised in your video, namely with liquid gas going through the system. But that being said I think it’s a really important point to make especially with those moving over to GBB systems from AEG!
Great video again! 💪
Great points, I think you're right about how most GBBR players play, we pick and place our shots. I was most surprised but the boost in consistency, I did fast shooting, slow shooting, waiting between BB reloads and not and each time the GG modded mags were more stable. It's just the overfilling that can cause some issues but nothing catastrophic. I think for a lot of people the middle ground would be the best place to sit but it's all about the temperature really. I could talk about it for hours! Always appreciate your support, thank you!!
Fair play you are the top man for mws platform
Ollie, that's a perfect video as always! Amazing stuff dude, amazing.
Thanks buddy 😁
What an instructive video, thanks a lot !
Greetings from France
Bonjour 😁 hopefully I'll be off to Paris in a few weeks for a long weekend greeting from the UK ❤️
gonna buy a DE Noveske MWS soon and this will help me alot thank you! hope you are doing alright!
amazing gun i have it, just look into the velcro mod on the magwell, if you use MWS mags you will need it. hmu if you need help!
Great video mate, very informative. Keep it up🤟🏼
Thanks buddy much appreciated, I love your MP7 gameplay videos, always make me want to get out and play!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft good to hear you enjoy the content mate! Recently picked up a TM MWS GBBR so your channel has been a goldmine haha, managed to successfully change the nozzle from 1 of your videos👍🏼
Oh nice glad I could help, the mws is next level the performance and shooting experience is just great!! I'll look forward to seeing you out on the field absolutely slaying with it!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft fell in love with it the first game I played, got a gameplay video coming with it soon🤟🏼. Also, do you have any plans to make a video on a hop rubber change for the MWS by any chance?
Oh yes, so this is another big subject worth my time, I'm currently getting loads of different hop rubbers and nubs to see what combinations actually work best. It'll be a few weeks but it'll be pretty definitive 😎
I'm looking forward to seeing the upcoming gameplay, stay awesome!!
Evening mate, I've got a mix of modded and original mags. Something that works for me for the none modded mags is fill it the other way(mag on top and bottle sat on the table) flip 180 degrees. The gas drops to the bottom of the mag without blocking the end of the nozzle.
Nice, I've never tried that so I'll have to give it a go. Thanks buddy 😊
I came here with a question of how many bbs can i get from one gg bottle and i got the answer. So if my calculations are right, one gg bottle that holds 375g of gas can fill 25 mags+- (15g per fill/70-80bbs). That means that one gg bottle is enough for at least 1750-2000 bbs.
ahhhh that explains why my gun in full auto is turd some days and not in other days lol - good informative video as always
Greetings from the middle of Canada! I enjoy all your videos and I've been looking forward to this one.
In the winter the airsoft community in our city is limited to playing at one cqb field. All of my MWS mags are modified.
I played with the MWS and I noticed when firing aggressively the mags would empty all contents. Another MWS user that game who didn't pull the trigger as quickly or often had little trouble using the MWS system in our skirmish. In addition the ambient indoor temp was cold. The temp outside was around -30 that night. When I tried to refill the mags to keep gas in them but the fill valves seemed to fail.
I thought perhaps my hammer spring is too weak, nozzle might be too weak, bulb might have frozen and the mags aren't holding gas anyway due to the fill valve. I made some modifications to my system with a Posiedon Ice Pick Valve and and AMG 'Winter Spring Set' in the trigger box. The troublesome fill valves have also been replaced with Nine Ball Inlet Valves. They fill with gas and the gun fires.
All that aside, your study and review of the Green Gas Mod is insightful, as always.
Hello, thanks for your message. It sounds like you're right at the extreme end of cold weather and you'll be pushing your MWS to the max! Are you using a lightweight bolt at the moment? it'll help a bit if you're not already doing it. What gas do you use, I think I'd be in the MAPP gas at those temperatures!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft It had a rough go that skirmish but I was impressed it worked at all! I'm only using a stock bolt at the moment but I can see that's an ideal place to cut weight in the system. Thanks for the tip! For fuel I'm using camping propane with a Mad Bull adapter.
I haven't used MAPP yet... but I'll probably test out 'Black Gas' as I hear it's a little more heavy duty that reg. propane.
Keep up the great work!
@@mattpurchase8165 sounds like you're on the right track, let me know how you get on!!
great info!
Thanks buddy 😊
It's all about the Gains 🤙💪
Great video.
I love your handguards, could you pls tell me which one those are and where you got them =D
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I've never been able to get a good gas fill without adding orings. I saw in the manual to charge while tilted but that didnt help for me. I'll have to try this trick of starting vertical and while gas is flowing THEN tilt it.
🤞 I hope it helps
Quality as per normal
Hey Ollie, great video and thanks for making and sharing this. I’ve just acquired an MWS that came with gen 3 mags. Do they require any different modification/techniques than the gen 2 mags? I haven’t been able to find any information on them at all so far. I assume that they just require an O ring thrown on the inlet valve and the tilt but I wasn’t sure as I’m very new to the MWS. Thanks!
So there won't be much of a difference, as long as you tilt the mag you should be fine getting enough gas in there. When people (including me) refer to the versions of the mag its only ever really subtle differences, like the fill restrictor being glued in better or a slightly higher gauge of spring for the side of the follower.
With regard to the silent fill valves I don't use them because I like that the mags spill some gas when they're full so I don't overfill them, as in game you never know how much gas is left in your mag so then I'm back in the safe zone refilling I just fill all the mags till they spill some gas out and I never have any mags run out, if I were you id just run the mags as they are.
Great video. I've just started my mws journey. Do I need to stick to tm mws mags or do any other mags work and feed well
Keep up the content I'm slowly working my way through it and learning loads
tm mags are great but the GM p mags are probably just a bit better but are more expensive, you can always put guarder routers in the tm mags to bump up their recoil and power a bit
Hi Ollie new to the channel great video I’ve been thinking about using propane gas how would this vary on the modded mag
Propane is basically green gas without the silicone spray, and it smells worse too!!! Treat it same as green gas basically.
Thank you for this video! VERY informative. I got one question tho. TM recommends 134a or 144a gas...and designed the overall system for it. However, when you use Green Gas anyways, does it harm your stock MWS or is using Green Gas just fine? i've read the system will wear and tear easier with GG than with 134/144. All i've upgraded so far is the Buffer to a heavyweight, got the standard Bolt and spring in it. I want to upgrade my inner barrel to a full length 14" got any recommendation?
Well when it comes to green gas it does wear more but it's in totally worth it it. I've been running thews hard on green gas from day 1 with a heavy recoil setup as soon as it came out. I've run black gas loads too, and have only ever had mi or issues, like the nozzle return spring failing which is a known issue. But the gun is solid, it eats green gas all day long. As for the inner barrel I've had a lot of luck with the maple leaf crazy jet barrels but it's all about the polishing and the microns, and to be honest it's more about the hop. Rubber and nub matching will out perform any inner barrel in terms or noticeable difference. Them after you have the perfect combo you can look at an inner. And don't worry I've got another big video planned going over ALL the major hops and nubs and what to use together
Yo Ollie so I cut my fill tube just an inch looking for winter performance but it did’nt work so well and I am planning cutting to the same level as the fill valve. That should leave the venting function, and you can actually top off gas, in theory, what do you think? Only negative I am seeing is loss of full auto all together, even at summer temperatures.
Good video man. Did you do any tests with only cutting an inch off the tube? If you top up a mag with the tube just cut an inch off, would that be overfilling?
That's the one variation I didn't do as it'll mean that at some point I will have to do it to all the mags and I'm lazy!! I think just removing an inch would be a good middle ground for most players needing to get a bit more gas in the mag but who understand the problems of overfilling. But I do also think that as long as people are getting a good 15g in a non modified magazine then it will work fine.
The biggest surprise for me was the FPS consistency gains, although in hindsight it was to be expected.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft yeah i think so. I would do the GG mod cause Norway as we spoke of before, but I'm heavy on the trigger. While not doing full auto, i tend to fire semi quickly sometimes.
I'm going to do the tilt trick next game and take it from there. If it doesn't work out, i might start by taking an inch off the magazines.
If push comes to shove, I'll just have to start bringing a scale :p
Thanks for the video man, you make good and informative content. Excellent channel for all MWS users.
@@sonnern thanks buddy I really appreciate it 😊
Yeah hopefully the tilt will help you out but if not then taking an inch or so off the fill limiter will definitely see you getting more full power shots!! Good luck buddy!
@@sonnern also if you do end up taking scales then make sure you always weigh on a fully loaded mag (with BBs) otherwise it'll throw your number right off!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft alright. I'll make sure to do so. Thanks :)
What’s the verdict on how to fill mags guys? How long for?
Nice video! But I think you haven't mentioned if the mags tested on video were v1 or v2!
Was the first mag where you showed the tilting fill v1 or v2?
I'm using a V1 to test as they're the worst. (Making it as hard as possible) the tilt works with all versions of the mag. Unless you've done the GG mod in which case it makes no difference.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Hi! how do I know if my mags are v1 or v2? just had my mk18 with a spare mag, running it on a puff dino green gas 14 is okay, right?
hello, first of all thank you for all the videos which are very enriching! a question that I can't answer, can the mws run with ultrair without damaging the replica?
thank you in advance !
Yes it will take ultra air out of the box with no modifications 😊 and thanks for your support too!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft thanks ! 😀
What’s that band looking thing the end of the mag called
It's a magpul, it how the brand magpul got their name as it was their first product
Great video! I am just now purchasing an MWS and six magazines for it. If I’m only going to be playing in warm weather and I’m not a real aggressive player and I want to run green gas in it what mods do I need to do to just be able to run green gas in it or to make it green gas ready?
its totally green gas ready out of the box, have fun!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft thank you I appreciate it !
hey new to mws should i use green gas with oil or oil free.
Most green gas comes with silicone oil and this is fine to use, if you use dry green gas you have to take a bit more care of your bolt as it'll dry out.
I use GG with silicone basically all the time as there isn't enough in there to mess up performance.
People also use propane a lot as it's cheaper and with that again you just have to make sure you give the bolt a blast of silicone spray to keep it in good condition every couple of games.
Hi Ollie, I thought that the green gas mod was only required on the v1 TM mags and not V2 and, if they are out now, V3? Regardless, another great video, many thanks.
So from what I can remember the changes from v1 to v1.5 were to do with the BB follower. Then from v1.5 to V2 they changes the inlet valve and glued the limiting tube inside. I think for most people as long as they do the tilt they should be fine but there's people all ove the world with different setups, play styles and ambient temperatures so everyone is going to be slightly different. Someone in North America may not need to do the GG mod but for someone in Canada it may be the right move.
I’ve had to modify all my v2 and v3 mags. But my ambient is 50f and semi only. Getting around 70 shots per mag
Hi, do you have any plans to review the Angry Gun adjustable MWS nozzle for the TM M4? I can't seem to find anything online about it? Also, thanks for this video, it was really useful! 👍
I have one actually and don't really rate it, I think the orga is that best npas out there but I think I may get all of them and test to find the best!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft damn! I just purchased one ha ha.. what is the Orga, I haven’t heard about that? Do you have a link please? Ps thanks for replying 👍
@@jumbaleo1 orga-airsoft.com/products/list.php?category_id=347 this is the one. I got my Angry Gun one a few years ago so they may have made it better in that time.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Yes, I got the V2 version this week. Okay, thanks for your advice it is really appreciated! And thanks for the Orga link, please keep up the good work 🙂
Did the mod and the efficiency is now far worse. Cut the tube to just above the brass valve inside. No matter the angle or how long in gas it for with different gasses, it sucks.
What have I done wrong?
ollie does the tilting hack work with the 20 round magazines
Kinda but not really, I do it anyway but it's a smaller gas resivoir so doesn't work as well, also I'm not a fan of the short mags. The feed lips were always a bit off
@@OllieTalksAirsoft i just did the tilting hack with my 20 round magazine and it works but not in the best way. i do understand that the 35 round magazines are better. what version of the 35 round magazine do you recommend? im not going to do the green gas modification that much. I would just cut the metal pipe to around 2 fingers and not 1. i dont really want to overfill my magazine.
Great video ollie. Thank you very much for sharing this knowledge, it helps a lot to the idiot player like me always confused is the mag full of gas or not
You're not an idiot, GBBRs are tricky beasts and I'm basically a massive geek 😂 always love to see your comments 😁
Hi can you do this mod with the TM type 89 gas mags 35 round ?? if so could you just not cut so much so you don't have to count ? "I'm looking to get 2 mags consistent"
Yes you can 😃
Ollie, two questions: 1 - what gas should I use in my TM MWS M4A1? In the summer and in the winter? Lubricated or not? 2 - If I use an HPA adatper, do I need to lubricate the replica more? THank you.
I would not recommend red or black gas as it will destroy your components inside the gun. Because it is made of plastic and not metal!
Hi Ollie, I ‘think ‘ I’ve seen all you TM AKM vids. and I’ve just ordered mine. I’m new to Gasbbr, so can you please advise me:
Is Ultrair GG ok in this unti, also, using your ‘tilt and fill’ technique, approx. how many fills will I get to a can of gas ?
Thnx
Maybe 20 mag fills from a can of gas, zeroone pro gas is cheapest green gas to buy in bulk. Ultra air is very good, slightly smaller cans and metal fill nozzle so more leakage, cheapest place for that is fire support.
I don't think the GG mod is necessary on the AKM, tilting the mags seems to work pretty well to get enough to mag dump.
I’ll look these up. Thnx for you replies…GG & Wood Kit. I appreciate your time and commitment. I guess there’ll be a few more Q’s when I’m up and running. Really looking forward to its arrival. In the meantime thnx again.
Off topic, but have you tried the Angry Gun MPA nozzle for the MWS? Thinking about getting it as it has an NPAS built in. What about the MEC PTS buffer? Haven't heard many people talk about it but it seems good.
I have tried the Angry Gun nozzle and I wasn't very impressed to be honest but it may also be worth checking with others on the discord group and see what they think. If you need a link let me know and I'll send it over.
I've not tried the MEC PTS buffer and I have to say as far as GBB stuff goes PTS are yet to come out with a product that's impressed me, and I have their mega arms rifle.
It looks similar to the G&P, anything that's light and has a moveable weight will be as good I'm sure but given it's just a buffer I can't see them messing it up that badly!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Thanks for the response Ollie, great information and another good video!
@@sumtingwong2138 incase you ever need it discord.gg/TYCPjg7F6g
@@OllieTalksAirsoft have you tried their pts mec buckings?
@@shockwave.9749 Nope. I imagine they went with the standard arrangement internally like the stock TM, UAC, 9ball, AIP, etc
Any good?
Would that issue with overfilling the mags be solved by using green gas with no silicone oil? Puff Dino green gas comes to mind for that.
I think it probably would help with some of the issue, the gas is still liquid in the mag so it'll likely it will still spray out but without the added silicone the system will only get cold rather than wet with silicone also.
I think I'll have to give it a try, good shout!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft hi ollie, have u tried? Cause if he's theory is right i'll mod all my tm mp7 mags and use green gas with no silicone oil.
Thanks, Ollie. MUST you do this mod, before you can use green gas on the TM MWS?
No. The gun will take green gas out of the box, this is just so you can overfill the mags if you want to.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Thanks, Ollie! You're the best!
@@diverspudph no worries
Hello Ollie, greetings from Spain. I have a question. I was wondering if you can fill an standar mws marui mag with co2 and see what happened. I actually never seen a video or a comment about that. Do you think that the mws can manage the co2 or on the contrary it will broke into pieces or something? I have the mtr model with the g&g valve and heavy buffer kit. Thanks a lot and thanks for
Your very helpfull channell!!
good question, I think the mag seals would likely below or leak as CO2 is 850 psi and Green Gas is about 100 psi so a bit difference.
the biggest problem would likely be getting the hammer strong enough but im sure the gun could take it, I may give it a go one day but not today 🤣
What if you just cut the tube in half or say 1/4 off?
You get more gas into the mag, it's a balancing act. You don't need to do the GG mod but if you only want to get a bit more gas into the mag then cutting rather than removing the tube will help get a bit more gas in but will mean it's less likely you get the full splash like you do with a completely GG modded mag.
can we use propane for MWS mag ?
Yes
Hi Ollie, can I ask do you know what is the tm mp7a1 gbb magazine capacity for gas? How many grams do you recommend to put in? Many thanks!!!
I consistently get 18grams into my MP7 mags and that's 3 lots of BBs so like 120-130 shots
what ambi bolt release do you use?
Magpul BAD lever, works a treat
@@OllieTalksAirsoft awesome thanks!!!
Hey Ollie what about the version 3 mags? I read on Reddit that tm changed the valve so green gas will not work unless you use a oring. Do you have any version 3 mags? And if so what is you’re experience with the mags? Plz help I’m confused
I've got all the versions of the TM mags over the years, they can all take green gas without modification. V3 mags have the restrictor valve in there hard so you often have to cut them to do the GG mod but it's not necessary in order to use green gas.
the only TM product I know of that really can't take green gas is the tanks for the M870 full size as they expand. other than that all TM guns can take Green Gas, especially the MWS.
@@OllieTalksAirsofthey Ollie my version 3 mags seem to spit out gas within the first couple of seconds anything to fix this? I can barley clear the mag
Do you tilt the mags when you fill them? I did some videos about it. Check the video at the start and try that, works for everyone else with that issue.
@@OllieTalksAirsoftyeah i tried that but it just spits out almost immediately, maybe it’s because the green gas can im using is brand new so it’s pumping in a lot of liquid?
I have the same problem. I see people talking about a oring? Where is that oring?
Good evening i have a problem filing my mws mags !With abbey brut gas it fils quite normaly but with another bottle that has pastic front end it splits out all the gas !first i thought it has to do with the filing valve disasembled the mag and it seems everything is normal!
Can you help? Plz
weird, does the gas bottle fill other mags ok? the do spill a bit of gas often whilst filling but not usually a lot until the mag's full. with stuff like this I often put it to one side for a day or so and come back to it. you'd be surprised how much stuff fixes itself!!
@@OllieTalksAirsoft i have no problem filing pistol mags or other gbbr mags
weird, if the mag fills ok from other gas bottles then id just leave it alone to be honest. or press harder 😅
Im havin a very hard time to fill my ghk mags.. im like wirking in the dark
And with the cost of the mags too!!! Ouch!
Why is it called the green gas mod? Do you actually use green gas or is it just shortening the restricting pipe?
The mod is just shortening or removing the pipe. You can put green gas in the mag regardless.
R134a is a fridge gas. It's not a CFC. But it's pretty hefty at global warming. 1 gramme of 134a is equivelant to 1.4kg of CO2 --- or driving my RX8 for about 5km.
15 grammes of gas in the mag is equivelant to a 75km drive.
Maybe those 8g co2's are the way forward 🤔
Do you need to do this mod for propane?
No, you can use propane out of the box with the mws
What gas do you use
standard Green Gas, usually Abbey or ASG
This seems like a ripe opportunity for 3rd-party support - why can't I just buy a Propane-specific MWS magazine? It would have a safety BOV also, so no need to time your pumps.
the guns modify p-mags are probably the best aftermarket mags that will take propane all day with no issues and for the most part don't really over fill. but the standard TM mags will take propane fine, even propylene (as long as you don't live in California or somewhere crazy hot), if you leave the restricting valve, (so don't do the GG mod) then you can fill them until capacity until they spill gas to let you know its full, so no timing the pumps. sounds like stock mags are the way forward, maybe add the guarder routers to give a bit more kick 😉
10 fps difference in consistency, slightly more gas, doesn't really feel worth the work to do the mod for me
It is a lot of effort, that's why I haven't. Too many mags and I'm too lazy 🤣
@@OllieTalksAirsoft I want to get a gbbr, I have got it down to the tm mws and ghk m4. What would you recommend?
@@Obsolete_E for me deffo the TM, it shoots amazing out of the box and runs smoothly all day. I'm sure you've seen badabings comparison which sums it up excellently.
I would say that GHK have had some QC issues recently with their M4's and the mags are more expensive.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft one last question, what gasses and brands of gasses do you use? As I've heard certain gasses will cause issues with certain parts
@@Obsolete_E the TM MWS was over engineered from the start to you can use more powerful gas with it. The only part that always breaks is the nozzle return spring and an upgraded one costs about £5 and takes 5 mins to fit. After that being fitted I've heard of people running mapp+ gas, black gas and propalene for years without any problems.
so you need to custom the magazine to accommodate green gas 😑