The higher the power level in a tier, the more the tier will centralize around a few glue mons so it makes sense that Ubers is like that. You don’t want a team without a consistent Xern, Caly S,etc answer. Reminds me of when BKC is criticizing BW OU as well lmao.
Granted I don't play BW or know much about it but that video shocked me how much BKC hated it lol. I've watched so many of his Gen 5 videos where he's calmly breaking down the strategies from a practical standpoint. I guess his true opinion was a bit hidden in there and I wasn't listening close enough. I had that video on while going to sleep, and had to eventually switch to something else because I was like "man he's really going in on these guys" 😂
@@tylerd1297 In short, BW is really matchup dependant, a bad matchup against a certain rain or dragmag team and you're done. The tier is basically like 'pick your poison' in terms of choosing pokemon to handle certain teams while being very susceptible to others. It doesn't help that you have things like Bug gem Volcarona and Ice gem Cloyster KOing things they have no right to KO. Also Ferrothorn...
Understandable. I wasn’t surprised because I was active for all those stages of BW history, but given BKC’s overall philosophy yeah not surprising. BW’s character is weather wars though; that’s why all this bending backwards was done for Rain and Sun. Take them away and BW is just kind of an expanded DPP with Team Preview. There are though real concerns that need to be made beyond just tier competitiveness, and I think even though’s he’s right about the rock-paper-scissors nature of the tier made by weather, that’s kind of the point, the character of than Gen and what makes it distinct. I think the suggestions to ban Gems, Latios, and Keldeo are all good though. Keldeo is ridiculous from an old-Gen perspective… let’s take DPP Infernape but give it effectively 129 Sp.ATK, 129ATK, while letting it have 252 EVs in both attacking stats and speed for effectively 756 EVs, give it the offensively and defensively superior Water-Fighting type, Machamp’s bulk to boot. Why is it broken????
@@SteveScapesYT Agreed, intrestingly enough Sand is the best weather in the in the tier as Ttar quite litterally holds the meta from jumping off a bridge. Even more interesting is that Keldeo is declining in usage as Thunderus has taken it's title as being the number 1 rain abuser. I still, however, belive Keldo is broken as it can potentially rip through common sand teams with its Specs + Secret sword and Hydro pump/Surf sets. I would personally would like to see all of them banned with scald as well.
The big 3 is also a reason why Weavile is also quite good in Ubers as well, since it has the super effective coverage for all of them and Ubers in general. Even with its frailty, it’s able to find ways to shred through teams thanks to Yveltal pivoting it in quite easily.
I find more success with garchomp on ubers and AG because people aren’t packing the usual checks for him because they’d get blown away by the tiers legendaries that garchomp beats
@@scientificallyaccuratespino Poor man can't even reach PU normal usage while his supposed creations are all in higher tiers. Someone end this man's suffering...
Makes you wonder why defensive Pokémon (like Zamazenta) get stuck with crap movepools that make them worse at tanking than Pokémon that can also deal damage.
@@darkyz8538 At least it can be reliably taken down by Yveltal, Groudon, and Kyogre, etc by it being slow and having multiple weaknesses Zacian-C is Fairy/Steel, a great defensive and offensive typing, with heavily min-maxed stats, a free Attack boost on top of it, Swords Dance, and excellent coverage moves, so it can just brute force a game without worrying about getting hit because it kills everything first
@@star_reshiram The only things that can counter Zacian in AG are Quagsire ( until Solar Blade ) and Necrozma-DM. Toxapex dies to either Wild Charge or Psychic Fangs, Groudon doesn't resist Behemoth Blade, Eternatus dies to Psychic Fangs and Yveltal dies to Wild Charge. Just be lucky they didn't give Zacian Drill Run, Leaf Blade, and/or High Horsepower...
Versatility has a compounding effect on viability, insofar as a Pokemon forcing scouting or other kinds of respect makes all of its sets stronger. This fog of obfuscation of intention can in many cases win an entire Pokemon on its own, and is crucial to understanding centralization in Pokemon metagames.
The more a pokemon can do the more viable it is. This is because uncertainty forces them to give respect and tread lightly at first. Them not knowing what your mon is capable of or built towards can be the factor that wins you the game. It is important to understanding how to build teams in the most effective manner possible and how to play around top picks
One of my favorite things about Freezai is how short and sweet the plugs are. He doesn't spend forty minutes talking about how 60 percent of the viewers are subscribed and he simply said go give Roy a follow.
From the thumbnail (and from not having played competitive ubers myself), I assumed that 90% of teams had Yveltal OR Necrozma Dusk Mane OR Eternatus -- not all three. What an absolutely crazy metagame. Btw, just gotta say -- absolutely love this content. For years, I've played on Pokemon Showdown and watched TH-cam Showdown content, but I never understood anything about the Smogon tournament scene. Your videos are clear, concise, and unpretentious; and they really show off how fascinating competitive Pokemon can be at the highest level. I hesitated on subscribing because I rarely play Showdown anymore, but you're such a great explainer that I couldn't resist. Thank you!
I’ve been wanting to make a tournament on showdown where you can only use 1 mon from each tier (1 OU, 1 UU, 1 RU, etc), using a mon from a BL (ban list tier), you cannot use a mon from the tier above (UUBL means no OU so on and so forth). You’re allowed to substitute one of the options for a NFE or if you really want to LC tier mon. I think this would be great as it would create great diversity and cool team composition. Not related to the video but I’ve just been really wanting this lately
This idea sounds great on paper. But like I feel like the entire format would be sweep with your Uber. But very cool idea and I would love to see all the combinations and team diversity.
So in essence, you could choose 3 Ubers Pokemon who you want on your team for any given role, and then use the versatility of these 3 to fill in the gaps.
Ubers kinda works on a rock paper scissors kind of format (Yveltal beats Necrozma, Necrozma beats Eternatus and Eternatus beats Yveltal). While not directly, to some degree one of the big three counters another
It also funny how in a vacuum Eternatus is the strongest yet it’s the only one you can drop the other 2 you can never drop but you can drop Eternatus if you have a very good reason
I love running Assault Vest Necrozma, because it allows me to not only check Calyrex with Knock Off, but tank 2 Geomancy Moonblasts, which is incredibly important
Doens't it tank that anyway with 0 hp and sp df investment? Unless my opponent was using a weird set I'm sure i tanked 2 moonblasts on the geoneas. Anyways that's a nice play
One of the bigger reason why Yveltal is used is also Arceus not being in the game. While Yveltal is amazing, Arceus-Dark is both a great check and a great sidegrade. At least it wouldn’t have to deal with Blank Plate Arceus since that would be instant AG.
@@TheLudicrousLuv Not entirely, but Blank Plate would definitely be banned. In case you don't know, Blank Plate is effectively Super Protean. It will make Judgement change to the best possible type in a given match-up as well as make Arceus change type. Basically, with your effective 200/400 BP unresisted move, you can just run Judgement as your only attacking move and 3 status moves since you don't need any other attacking move.
@UCPluZ6GlzbV1gK1ag5yY7_A nah exxegutor isn't even close to the power level of the normal types. He has competition and arguments against being on a team, chansey tauros and lax don't.
Honestly, this metagame is my favourite of sword and shield just because of how centralised and varied it is at the same time. You always know what to expect but also have to be extremely careful of what might be hidden
That's basicallly every ubers metagame, especillly most recent gens. Having a centralizzed meta allows for creatviity, variation of sets, reads and impredictibility to be important/ thus making teambuilding more relevant.
Recently this has been a discussion in competitive Yugioh, too. Formats where only a few decks are viable are complained about by rogue players (like moi) but almost always fondly remembered for expression of individual skill, in the absence of random hail mary strats you cant reasonably prepare for.
I just finished listening to a video about How Lugia became one of these Uber Pokémon you can't really fit in your team. I love discovering these parts of a meta. You really did an awesome job at hyping up all these Pokémon on the Big 3! They looked so cool! I'm glad you also spoke of Calyrex, because it really shows what kind of "type triangle" is actually atop the meta! ^.^
Yveltal was top 3 ubers back then being my 3rd favorite designed legendary and having my favorite ability/lore, i was so happy, but now its usage and viability dropped 😢
I find scarf genesect with either shadow claw or dark pulse is the best counter to calyrex. Generally it's able to pick up the KO since people don't expect it like people would expect yveltal. I've seen arguments about priority in sucker punch being used against the idea of using genesect, however on physical genesect sets you could use the better and more reliable extreme speed.
Yes... I've heard him say it. He said "Galarian Darmanitan" instead of Darmanitan-galar. I get that it's more of your preference or you'd just rather read what the showdown text says, but gosh it feels so good to hear it how it was originally said by game freak
@@theimpersonator7086 I'm confused, what makes flying so good offensively? It's only super effective against three types that aren't too difficult to beat, and it's also resisted by the super common steel type. Offensively, the only strong move it has is also Brave Bird, which doesn't have the best distribution and does heavy recoil.
UPDATE: Calyrex Shadow is now being suspect tested into anything goes. Yveltal will still remain the ubers core, but is now free to run a lot more things without needing to consider calyrex's many sets (snarls against substitude calyrex, which is horrible against everything else when you have dark pulse)
and not banned that mon is far away to become ag Worth Bad Dual Type (weak to prio moves Like Shadow Sneak or sucker Punch x4) His ability is Not Bad but compared for zacian-c its Not that Strong a horrible coverage usage draining kiss is His best coverage and frail as hell Sure its good realy good but for AG you must Be over the top broken and that is in These gen only zacian hero and zacian-c
Is it really versatility or, game freak just decided to make all these Pokemon broken at everything. I mean the only reason yveltal gets away with crap offensive power is because of its ability, necrozma gets to be a super metagross with a fantastic ability, a healing move, and good stabs, and eternatus gets Arceus bst but doesn't waste it's stats balancing them or being monotype
Tbh, the only one I didn't hope to find in this top 3 was Eternatus basically because of Calyrex-S. Not that I actually play Ubers, I just thought that with C-S being borderline AG with how broken it is, a poke weak to one of it's stab wouldn't be so popular.
@@Ropalme1914 Yeah, but Necrozma DM has been a staple of the big ones in Ubers since it came out simply because how much stuff it tanks and how hard it can hit. Eternatus didn't come off as such a good mon to me because I thought you wouldn't want a second wall being vulnerable to Caly S too. It's true tho, Eternatus is one of the fastest mons in the tier and has a very good defensive typing and movepool.
Funnily enough, you mentioned Calyrex-Shadow as the defining SS Ubers threat, and they just announced Calyrex-Shadow as a suspect target in Ubers. Personally, as someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable about Ubers, I believe a Calyrex-S ban would be a mistake; even if it were banned, Yveltal would still be omnipresent thanks to it being the best hazard clearer in the tier by a wide margin, and a lot of the centralization of the top threats centers from that. People don't use them overwhelmingly just because of Calyrex-Shadow; Eternatus is trashed by Specs Caly, and non-Specially Defensive Dusk Mane is too. They are instead used because they are just good Pokemon. I would not support a ban in this case. Again, though, I'm not an expert in the slightest.
I would say ho oh is a better hazard clearer, but I agree with your other points. Yveltal usage would still be pretty high because of its amazing moveset ability recovery and support movepool.
While this is true, Yveltal having really high usage would still be a step down from the near-mandatory usage it sees today due to Caly-S being in the tier. If you follow the chain of what checks what, Caly-S is at the top. Caly is checked by Yveltal, who's checked by Eternatus, who's checked by NDM.
We also have the must have trio in RBY: Tauros, Chansey, and Snorlax. Which is interesting because they are pure normal types as well. You think that it would be a huge weakness having half of your team weak to fighting. However, Fighting Pokémon were so bad in gen 1. And Psychic typing were considering the best typing in that generation.
Since the lesson of this video is basically role compression and versatility = usage and how the stronger/most broken pokemon isn't top 3 in usage hopefully all the smoothbrains can stop whining about how lando-t is broken because USAGE
eternatus doesn't check kyogre. every kyogre set other than scarf beats eternatus pretty easily and the block set straight up traps it, calm minds up to +6 and stays healthy with rest while pp stalling eternatus eternatus is actually used mainly for marshadow, yveltal and defensive ho-oh
I think this is why i stayed away frm gen 8 ubers and gen 8 as a whole, bc of the restricted dex, it led to overly centralizing mons with lesser counters in the dex itself
I love yveltal and dusk Mane necrozma. I play nat Dex ag but still they're hella good there. I like using my yveltal offensive physically biased mixed set as it deals with ho-oh and does massive damage (and ohko with dynamax) to kyogre sets. Sucker punch, oblivion wing, knock off and rock slide/heat wave. It lets it deal with calyrex shadow as well (basically its role). It also checks ultra necrozma and dm necrozma. Dusk Mane necrozma just counters every damn thing. I love it. Mostly i use it to counter zacian and eternatus. It does so well
nice yesterday i was mentioning #freezai in a comment bcuz i was saying that what if mega aggron or zamazenta has an instant recovery move? on the topic of that, i have a question for freezai. considering your tone, these three mons doesn't seem broken in ubers, so should certain pokemon, if they meet the bulky criteria, all be allowed to have an instant recovery move? or maybe only some of them? also what should the ideal value of hp be healed? i was proposing 30-35% but 50% is like acceptable even in ubers
@@Mepphy99 but how they will get in? They don't resists calyrex stabs,(in fact both of them weak to psychic and marshadow is also weak to ghost)and calyrex will just outspeed them and KO them
About 65% of players have all 3 on their team, probably more because new players are likely to have none and bring down the usage rankings, while good players have all 3
@@yi9deox242 that’s just because you’re at low ladder. Any good player would switch it out, only staying in on a read. Even someone who didn’t know it’s ability wouldn’t keep pex in on a ground type. Also didn’t ask.
@@yi9deox242 it’s not an opinion, it’s just a fact. The info I’m sharing is helpful, you just randomly said things with no relevance to the conversation.
Can you do a video on the big 4 of Nat Dex AG? Your team absolutely has to be able to answer Zacian Crowned, Mega Rayquaza, Life Orb Dynamaxed Yveltal, and Primal-Groudon
funny enough primal groudon one of the big 4 is also the best check for zacian crowned aka zacian crowned can only maximum 3 hit ko him counting intrepid sword yes pdon is that good
I wonder if there are any leagues where the most highly used pokemon in each tier are barred until only the ones with 50% usage rate or below are allowed, thus forcing a variety on teams. Idk how that would work though.
I think having a move that applies a field effect that disables or reduces healing for X amount of turns is exactly what pokemon needs to shake up the metagame, along with special equivalents for rocky helmet and burn.
Coming from a Pokemon noob here, if Calyrex Shadow is so good, why don't people team build around it as much, and instead choose to use different offensive cores and wall breakers?
The idea is you sub then recover health with +2 draining kiss, but sub seed with disable makes a lot more sense LOL. and even uninvested, STAB astral barrage would do a lot of damage. I can see how that would work
It's funny how the main 3 ubers are the "bad guys" in each of their specific games
Pokemon historically has not had as much of the villian joins your team and become stupidly weak issue others have.
Yvetam wasnt
He might not have been the bad guy, but he was the embodiment of death…
YAVATAL wasnt really a villain in x&y
@@RandomPerson-gf6gd I mean balance is important overpopulation is a problem too death is not a bad thing
The higher the power level in a tier, the more the tier will centralize around a few glue mons so it makes sense that Ubers is like that. You don’t want a team without a consistent Xern, Caly S,etc answer. Reminds me of when BKC is criticizing BW OU as well lmao.
Granted I don't play BW or know much about it but that video shocked me how much BKC hated it lol. I've watched so many of his Gen 5 videos where he's calmly breaking down the strategies from a practical standpoint. I guess his true opinion was a bit hidden in there and I wasn't listening close enough.
I had that video on while going to sleep, and had to eventually switch to something else because I was like "man he's really going in on these guys" 😂
Interestingly enough when you go into anything goes for a good while you see completely diverse teams
@@tylerd1297 In short, BW is really matchup dependant, a bad matchup against a certain rain or dragmag team and you're done. The tier is basically like 'pick your poison' in terms of choosing pokemon to handle certain teams while being very susceptible to others. It doesn't help that you have things like Bug gem Volcarona and Ice gem Cloyster KOing things they have no right to KO. Also Ferrothorn...
Understandable. I wasn’t surprised because I was active for all those stages of BW history, but given BKC’s overall philosophy yeah not surprising. BW’s character is weather wars though; that’s why all this bending backwards was done for Rain and Sun. Take them away and BW is just kind of an expanded DPP with Team Preview. There are though real concerns that need to be made beyond just tier competitiveness, and I think even though’s he’s right about the rock-paper-scissors nature of the tier made by weather, that’s kind of the point, the character of than Gen and what makes it distinct.
I think the suggestions to ban Gems, Latios, and Keldeo are all good though. Keldeo is ridiculous from an old-Gen perspective… let’s take DPP Infernape but give it effectively 129 Sp.ATK, 129ATK, while letting it have 252 EVs in both attacking stats and speed for effectively 756 EVs, give it the offensively and defensively superior Water-Fighting type, Machamp’s bulk to boot. Why is it broken????
@@SteveScapesYT Agreed, intrestingly enough Sand is the best weather in the in the tier as Ttar quite litterally holds the meta from jumping off a bridge. Even more interesting is that Keldeo is declining in usage as Thunderus has taken it's title as being the number 1 rain abuser.
I still, however, belive Keldo is broken as it can potentially rip through common sand teams with its Specs + Secret sword and Hydro pump/Surf sets. I would personally would like to see all of them banned with scald as well.
The big 3 is also a reason why Weavile is also quite good in Ubers as well, since it has the super effective coverage for all of them and Ubers in general. Even with its frailty, it’s able to find ways to shred through teams thanks to Yveltal pivoting it in quite easily.
he did a vid on that
*super effective STAB
Got my Shiney wevile but I've been using a metorbeam button pass cosmic power n flamethrower clefable
@@cobracomandor2234 that’s banned
I find more success with garchomp on ubers and AG because people aren’t packing the usual checks for him because they’d get blown away by the tiers legendaries that garchomp beats
5:22 I love the contrast with all the Ubers running around, and then the beyond terrible Regigigas
(PU) Rip regigigas
Give it iron fist. Though might be considered AG then
@@scientificallyaccuratespino Poor man can't even reach PU normal usage while his supposed creations are all in higher tiers. Someone end this man's suffering...
Give regigigas an ability that grants him pure power and normal moves to be 2x on steel rock and Ghost.
@@sekaihunter9378 at least it's decent in vgc thanks to weezing.
NDM actually stands for "not doing much" because of how many attacks it shrugs off
Just like platypus. They don't do much.
@@rugino3614 Dooby Dooby doo ba
@@piyushmenon4987 He’s a semi-aquatic, egg-laying mammal of action!
WAIT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE REFER TO!?!? I thought it was called DMN, the name comes last. Now I realise I've been a twit
Makes you wonder why defensive Pokémon (like Zamazenta) get stuck with crap movepools that make them worse at tanking than Pokémon that can also deal damage.
I've always liked Yveltal more than Xerneas so to see him take back the spot of extreme power from Xerneas makes me happy
He only got that spot because hes the only one who can counter calyrrx
@@macheuw and also being the best dark type according to this video
¿Did you desentralized Xernas?
Yes
¿What did it cost you?
The most broken pokémon ever created
This apply more to VGC now that Doggo of Healthy meta was banned to AG, but you get the idea
@@TalkingVidya yeah but necrozma checks xerneas too
Yeah
@@darkyz8538 At least it can be reliably taken down by Yveltal, Groudon, and Kyogre, etc by it being slow and having multiple weaknesses
Zacian-C is Fairy/Steel, a great defensive and offensive typing, with heavily min-maxed stats, a free Attack boost on top of it, Swords Dance, and excellent coverage moves, so it can just brute force a game without worrying about getting hit because it kills everything first
@@star_reshiram The only things that can counter Zacian in AG are Quagsire ( until Solar Blade ) and Necrozma-DM. Toxapex dies to either Wild Charge or Psychic Fangs, Groudon doesn't resist Behemoth Blade, Eternatus dies to Psychic Fangs and Yveltal dies to Wild Charge. Just be lucky they didn't give Zacian Drill Run, Leaf Blade, and/or High Horsepower...
Versatility has a compounding effect on viability, insofar as a Pokemon forcing scouting or other kinds of respect makes all of its sets stronger. This fog of obfuscation of intention can in many cases win an entire Pokemon on its own, and is crucial to understanding centralization in Pokemon metagames.
@Chandler Russell I actually got scolded a lot for only "implying" a thesis statement
The more a pokemon can do the more viable it is. This is because uncertainty forces them to give respect and tread lightly at first. Them not knowing what your mon is capable of or built towards can be the factor that wins you the game. It is important to understanding how to build teams in the most effective manner possible and how to play around top picks
One of my favorite things about Freezai is how short and sweet the plugs are. He doesn't spend forty minutes talking about how 60 percent of the viewers are subscribed and he simply said go give Roy a follow.
Imagine being glad someone doesn't waste your time you can skip, low standards biiiiiiatch
From the thumbnail (and from not having played competitive ubers myself), I assumed that 90% of teams had Yveltal OR Necrozma Dusk Mane OR Eternatus -- not all three. What an absolutely crazy metagame.
Btw, just gotta say -- absolutely love this content. For years, I've played on Pokemon Showdown and watched TH-cam Showdown content, but I never understood anything about the Smogon tournament scene. Your videos are clear, concise, and unpretentious; and they really show off how fascinating competitive Pokemon can be at the highest level. I hesitated on subscribing because I rarely play Showdown anymore, but you're such a great explainer that I couldn't resist. Thank you!
I love the irony of:
"Some Pokemon are just that good"
*shows Precipice Blades missing*
A classic for sure.
I’ve been wanting to make a tournament on showdown where you can only use 1 mon from each tier (1 OU, 1 UU, 1 RU, etc), using a mon from a BL (ban list tier), you cannot use a mon from the tier above (UUBL means no OU so on and so forth). You’re allowed to substitute one of the options for a NFE or if you really want to LC tier mon. I think this would be great as it would create great diversity and cool team composition. Not related to the video but I’ve just been really wanting this lately
that idea sounds hilarious, I hope it works out!
I kinda love this idea
This idea sounds great on paper. But like I feel like the entire format would be sweep with your Uber. But very cool idea and I would love to see all the combinations and team diversity.
@@HAMINATORballin honestly would be pretty similar to single-restricted VGC and how you maneuver your restricted choice with the other pokemon.
That's the jole format, it already exists.
0:30 "and some pokemon are just that good" he says as primal groudon misses a precipice blades lol
Lmao😂😂😂... Precipice Miss
@@aresalexanderpeverell3152 unfunny
@@raiden8929 That is what she said in bed
So in essence, you could choose 3 Ubers Pokemon who you want on your team for any given role, and then use the versatility of these 3 to fill in the gaps.
Ubers kinda works on a rock paper scissors kind of format (Yveltal beats Necrozma, Necrozma beats Eternatus and Eternatus beats Yveltal). While not directly, to some degree one of the big three counters another
then calyrex is the guy who used a gun
@@gammaf1365yveltal is the main counter of calyrex shadow
@@whynot9421yveltal has a bullet proof vest
It also funny how in a vacuum Eternatus is the strongest yet it’s the only one you can drop the other 2 you can never drop but you can drop Eternatus if you have a very good reason
I love running Assault Vest Necrozma, because it allows me to not only check Calyrex with Knock Off, but tank 2 Geomancy Moonblasts, which is incredibly important
Doens't it tank that anyway with 0 hp and sp df investment? Unless my opponent was using a weird set I'm sure i tanked 2 moonblasts on the geoneas. Anyways that's a nice play
One of the bigger reason why Yveltal is used is also Arceus not being in the game.
While Yveltal is amazing, Arceus-Dark is both a great check and a great sidegrade. At least it wouldn’t have to deal with Blank Plate Arceus since that would be instant AG.
Would arceus really be AG in gen 8?
@@TheLudicrousLuv Not entirely, but Blank Plate would definitely be banned.
In case you don't know, Blank Plate is effectively Super Protean. It will make Judgement change to the best possible type in a given match-up as well as make Arceus change type.
Basically, with your effective 200/400 BP unresisted move, you can just run Judgement as your only attacking move and 3 status moves since you don't need any other attacking move.
@@CuddlyTheMadElite wait i thought it was called legendary plate
@@TheLudicrousLuv Actually it's the Legend Plate. Thought it was the Blank Plate.
@@CuddlyTheMadElite its monotypes too right? Or would it give you dual types too?
1:20 lmao stick it to them
Wow, never would have thought that gen 8 Uber would be like rby
What were the big 3 in competitive rby?
@@RFingaz69 it was a big 4 : tauros, chansey, snorlax, exeggutor
Alakazam was also really strong
Tauros Chansey and Snorlax
@UCPluZ6GlzbV1gK1ag5yY7_A nah exxegutor isn't even close to the power level of the normal types. He has competition and arguments against being on a team, chansey tauros and lax don't.
If we really want to compare Gen 8 Ubers to Gen 1 OU, then Zacian-C is the Mewtwo.
I love Eternatus. It's one of my favourite legendaries. I just have a thing for eldritch abominations and lovecraftienesque creatures
And it looks like a character from Lego Bionicles/Hero Factory too. What's not to love
@@madjester9844 exactly
To be fair it is an alien so it would look otherworldly, but not in the same way as ultra beasts, who come from other dimensions.
@Viewer f i s h
It looks like a beta version of Giratina Origin form
insane shade thrown at 1:20 and I love it
I hate getting noob showdown clips in my feed. This content is not that. Great vid
"Some Pokémon are just that good"
*shows PDon missing Precipice Blades*
I was prepared for 2/3 but was not prepared at all for eternatus
Honestly, this metagame is my favourite of sword and shield just because of how centralised and varied it is at the same time.
You always know what to expect but also have to be extremely careful of what might be hidden
That's basicallly every ubers metagame, especillly most recent gens. Having a centralizzed meta allows for creatviity, variation of sets, reads and impredictibility to be important/ thus making teambuilding more relevant.
@@gerardperezservent9066 Actually though! It's much more fun than people give it credit
Recently this has been a discussion in competitive Yugioh, too. Formats where only a few decks are viable are complained about by rogue players (like moi) but almost always fondly remembered for expression of individual skill, in the absence of random hail mary strats you cant reasonably prepare for.
I just finished listening to a video about How Lugia became one of these Uber Pokémon you can't really fit in your team. I love discovering these parts of a meta. You really did an awesome job at hyping up all these Pokémon on the Big 3! They looked so cool! I'm glad you also spoke of Calyrex, because it really shows what kind of "type triangle" is actually atop the meta! ^.^
Ubers going through its goth phase
“Some Pokémon are just that good”
Just as PDon misses a precipice blades on screen
I can't believe he made a run down of the most used pokemon without talking about Gen1's big three
Yveltal was top 3 ubers back then being my 3rd favorite designed legendary and having my favorite ability/lore, i was so happy, but now its usage and viability dropped 😢
Don’t worry bud it’ll get it’s day again someday. GF loves shilling psychic legendaries in Ubers so I doubt they’ll ever be a permanent issue.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
This is similar to gen 1 OU with the big 3 there being (in descending order) Tauros, Chansey, and Snorlax
I read the thumbnail as "90% sausage rate"
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now shadow rider is getting suspected
I like to call them “the bigger 3”, just because “the big 3” is already what gen 1s meta is referred to
2:14 the infamous fling
Remembering the days of choice band Zacian, that thing had literally zero switch ins (unless you were holding a berry, but that only worked once)
i love how literally no one gets yveltal’s pronunciation right, so now it’s defacto pronunciation is just ye-veltal lmao
When were you when zacian dies?
I was sat at home drinking brain fluid when joey ring
"Zacian is kill"
"No"
And you???????
Well structured and presented video
the things freezai is explaining here can apply to other metagames
Calyrex Shadow's suspect test is going to be ground breaking
*Gets OHKO’d by shadow sneak
I find scarf genesect with either shadow claw or dark pulse is the best counter to calyrex. Generally it's able to pick up the KO since people don't expect it like people would expect yveltal. I've seen arguments about priority in sucker punch being used against the idea of using genesect, however on physical genesect sets you could use the better and more reliable extreme speed.
1:20 go get em freezai LOL 👑
insert kendrick lamar joke
Yes... I've heard him say it. He said "Galarian Darmanitan" instead of Darmanitan-galar. I get that it's more of your preference or you'd just rather read what the showdown text says, but gosh it feels so good to hear it how it was originally said by game freak
0:30 "some pokémon are just that good" as the primal groudon misses the precipice blades 💀💀
Calyrex Shadow and Dragapult be like "Better have an answer for Ghost Types"
Who would win: an ancient king and his undead steed along with an assault jet dragon, or a bacon bird?
Yeah, ghost types have become arguably the best offensive type imo after they removed pursuit. Might even be better than flying types offensively
@@theimpersonator7086 Who remembers Spectrier in OU and Gengar in BDSP XD
@@theimpersonator7086 good
@@theimpersonator7086 I'm confused, what makes flying so good offensively? It's only super effective against three types that aren't too difficult to beat, and it's also resisted by the super common steel type. Offensively, the only strong move it has is also Brave Bird, which doesn't have the best distribution and does heavy recoil.
I'm still waiting on the video of "Why is Snorlax not Ubers in GSC"
Ah yes, the YEN and Yang, they bring balance to the world
shut
UPDATE: Calyrex Shadow is now being suspect tested into anything goes. Yveltal will still remain the ubers core, but is now free to run a lot more things without needing to consider calyrex's many sets (snarls against substitude calyrex, which is horrible against everything else when you have dark pulse)
i for sure would love to run choice scarf or hone claws yveltal, seriously hope tumor horse gets banned
bruh they have been suspecting it for an year lmao
and not banned
that mon is far away to become ag Worth
Bad Dual Type (weak to prio moves Like Shadow Sneak or sucker Punch x4)
His ability is Not Bad but compared for zacian-c its Not that Strong
a horrible coverage usage draining kiss is His best coverage
and frail as hell
Sure its good realy good but for AG you must Be over the top broken and that is in These gen only zacian hero and zacian-c
Now calyrex is AG
1:03 How did your opponent have the Raiden Shogun sprite 😳
They won tournament
You can always get a custom avatar by being a recognised and noted member of the smogon community
I almost never use eternatus in any team simply cause it's never been an issue to beat. But I always use necrozma and yveltal
Ogre: SPOOOOOOOOOSH, unless you use Bliss/Ferro/Shed with Umbrella/Boots
@@lafusion6695 nah more like
Ogre: (kicks door open) SOMEBODY-
why am i so invested in watching competitive pokemon videos and i dont even play pokemon
It's kind of cool how the Big 3 are the edgiest guys around.
Is it really versatility or, game freak just decided to make all these Pokemon broken at everything. I mean the only reason yveltal gets away with crap offensive power is because of its ability, necrozma gets to be a super metagross with a fantastic ability, a healing move, and good stabs, and eternatus gets Arceus bst but doesn't waste it's stats balancing them or being monotype
Eternatus has 690 bst not 720 tho
basically Kyogre, Calyrex and Zacian, that's how I see it
I'll see the video later
All three of them have good recovery
I find it interesting how the big three counter each other eternatus counters yveltal yveltal counters necrozma and necrozma counters eternatus
Excellent video, especially near the end. I have nothing to say, just commenting for youtube reasons.
I will always appreciate more bacon bird
Tbh, the only one I didn't hope to find in this top 3 was Eternatus basically because of Calyrex-S. Not that I actually play Ubers, I just thought that with C-S being borderline AG with how broken it is, a poke weak to one of it's stab wouldn't be so popular.
But Necrozma is weak to its STAB too (even Prism Armor doesn't mean much when Astral Barrage is stronger than Psyshock)
@@Ropalme1914 Yeah, but Necrozma DM has been a staple of the big ones in Ubers since it came out simply because how much stuff it tanks and how hard it can hit. Eternatus didn't come off as such a good mon to me because I thought you wouldn't want a second wall being vulnerable to Caly S too. It's true tho, Eternatus is one of the fastest mons in the tier and has a very good defensive typing and movepool.
I remember when I was like the only one using this kinda core... I used kyogre yveltal and zacian c, good times, dynamax was allowed still
Funnily enough, you mentioned Calyrex-Shadow as the defining SS Ubers threat, and they just announced Calyrex-Shadow as a suspect target in Ubers.
Personally, as someone who isn't particularly knowledgeable about Ubers, I believe a Calyrex-S ban would be a mistake; even if it were banned, Yveltal would still be omnipresent thanks to it being the best hazard clearer in the tier by a wide margin, and a lot of the centralization of the top threats centers from that. People don't use them overwhelmingly just because of Calyrex-Shadow; Eternatus is trashed by Specs Caly, and non-Specially Defensive Dusk Mane is too. They are instead used because they are just good Pokemon. I would not support a ban in this case. Again, though, I'm not an expert in the slightest.
I would say ho oh is a better hazard clearer, but I agree with your other points. Yveltal usage would still be pretty high because of its amazing moveset ability recovery and support movepool.
While this is true, Yveltal having really high usage would still be a step down from the near-mandatory usage it sees today due to Caly-S being in the tier. If you follow the chain of what checks what, Caly-S is at the top. Caly is checked by Yveltal, who's checked by Eternatus, who's checked by NDM.
We also have the must have trio in RBY: Tauros, Chansey, and Snorlax.
Which is interesting because they are pure normal types as well. You think that it would be a huge weakness having half of your team weak to fighting. However, Fighting Pokémon were so bad in gen 1. And Psychic typing were considering the best typing in that generation.
Nice Video
no way joe swanson
Since the lesson of this video is basically role compression and versatility = usage and how the stronger/most broken pokemon isn't top 3 in usage hopefully all the smoothbrains can stop whining about how lando-t is broken because USAGE
Yveltal for calyrex shadow
Necrozma dusk mane for Xerneas
Eternatus for Kyogre
eternatus doesn't check kyogre. every kyogre set other than scarf beats eternatus pretty easily and the block set straight up traps it, calm minds up to +6 and stays healthy with rest while pp stalling eternatus
eternatus is actually used mainly for marshadow, yveltal and defensive ho-oh
My favorite pokemon is Solgaleo so I'm happy a form of him is top tier
I think this is why i stayed away frm gen 8 ubers and gen 8 as a whole, bc of the restricted dex, it led to overly centralizing mons with lesser counters in the dex itself
@i cant think of a name yea natdex is fun! the new mode - random choose your own team for gen 7 is amazing too :)
I love yveltal and dusk Mane necrozma. I play nat Dex ag but still they're hella good there.
I like using my yveltal offensive physically biased mixed set as it deals with ho-oh and does massive damage (and ohko with dynamax) to kyogre sets. Sucker punch, oblivion wing, knock off and rock slide/heat wave. It lets it deal with calyrex shadow as well (basically its role). It also checks ultra necrozma and dm necrozma.
Dusk Mane necrozma just counters every damn thing. I love it. Mostly i use it to counter zacian and eternatus. It does so well
Love your vids
2:51 Quick question: why is arceus mentioned twice on the list?
Different arceus forms
this do every tier would be epic
Tauros, Snorlax and Chancey in gen 1 be like
0:00 is that raiden shogun???
nice
yesterday i was mentioning #freezai in a comment bcuz i was saying that what if mega aggron or zamazenta has an instant recovery move?
on the topic of that, i have a question for freezai. considering your tone, these three mons doesn't seem broken in ubers, so should certain pokemon, if they meet the bulky criteria, all be allowed to have an instant recovery move? or maybe only some of them? also what should the ideal value of hp be healed? i was proposing 30-35% but 50% is like acceptable even in ubers
i'd think calyrex Shadow has not that much usage because yvelral Is on 90% of Teams, also marshadow and Eternatus exist
Eternatus and marshadow can't switch into calyrex.
Also people found calyrex set that completely dominates yveltal
@@yeet8036 but if get in,they do their thing
also how Is this thing still in Ubers
@@Mepphy99 but how they will get in? They don't resists calyrex stabs,(in fact both of them weak to psychic and marshadow is also weak to ghost)and calyrex will just outspeed them and KO them
Me with all 3 of them on my team:
About 65% of players have all 3 on their team, probably more because new players are likely to have none and bring down the usage rankings, while good players have all 3
@@yi9deox242 why mention that?
@@yi9deox242 because I’m saying that most people use these 3 Pokémon, and Ethan T doesn’t have to feel bad about picking the meta
@@yi9deox242 that’s just because you’re at low ladder. Any good player would switch it out, only staying in on a read. Even someone who didn’t know it’s ability wouldn’t keep pex in on a ground type. Also didn’t ask.
@@yi9deox242 it’s not an opinion, it’s just a fact. The info I’m sharing is helpful, you just randomly said things with no relevance to the conversation.
Great video
I literally refuse to use Calyrex shadow just bc of its click to win nature
Can you do a video on the big 4 of Nat Dex AG? Your team absolutely has to be able to answer Zacian Crowned, Mega Rayquaza, Life Orb Dynamaxed Yveltal, and Primal-Groudon
funny enough primal groudon one of the big 4 is also the best check for zacian crowned aka zacian crowned can only maximum 3 hit ko him counting intrepid sword yes pdon is that good
@@dragullongblackfang8073 well, yeah. There's a reason teams aren't taken seriously if they don't run pdon
I think it's worth noting how these are only as influential in singles
Yveltal and caly-s are rly good in vgc ehat u mean
@@KeshavKrishnan more meant the others
I wonder if there are any leagues where the most highly used pokemon in each tier are barred until only the ones with 50% usage rate or below are allowed, thus forcing a variety on teams. Idk how that would work though.
Then the next best thing gets 50% usage, then the next, then the next until people start complaining about smogon again
Ubers is my favorite format! Then monotype!
Awesome video, would be interesting a gen 1 version with tauros chansey and snorlax
What was Zacian’s usage before it went to anything goes?
It wasn´t that high mainly becase ditto, quag and NDM were used a lot
why z moves and megas made things more "different" it also doesnt help that the main gens "mechanic" is banned across most play
When i was playing i only used yevltal from big three
catch me using mandibuzz in ubers like a hipster
Y in Yveltal stands for Yare Yare Daze
And now calyrex shadow might get banned thanks to disable subseed set.
This is gen 5 chandelure all over again
And then there was Zacian who grief-ed everyone
I think having a move that applies a field effect that disables or reduces healing for X amount of turns is exactly what pokemon needs to shake up the metagame, along with special equivalents for rocky helmet and burn.
You should try and make some informative Shorts to further grow your channel! Keep up the great work!
gen 8 ag was way worse because of zacian-c running around. ndm was a requirement
that first person had a raiden shogun character??
Coming from a Pokemon noob here, if Calyrex Shadow is so good, why don't people team build around it as much, and instead choose to use different offensive cores and wall breakers?
Because having yveltal automatically means that you have calyrex counter.
But nowadays people finding more calyrex sets that destroys yveltal
Yeah, I was thinking of a sub nasty plot with draining kiss and focus sash. Not sure it would work in practice but it seems somewhat sound in theory
@@randomllhuplayer1104 I don't think that sub + sash work together, I'm talking about sub,leech seed,disable set
The idea is you sub then recover health with +2 draining kiss, but sub seed with disable makes a lot more sense LOL. and even uninvested, STAB astral barrage would do a lot of damage. I can see how that would work
Funnily enough, I don't even use Yvetal to deal with Calrex-S. Technician Shadow Sneak Marshadow beats it really well.
How marshadow switches into calyrex with hazards?
@@yeet8036 ... Defog is a thing.
@@KnightofChaosDeck still unreliable as hell