Songwriting Tips You Need To Know - Jake Gosling (Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendes, Shania Twain)
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- With credits for artists such as Ed Sheeran, James Bay, Shania Twain and Shawn Mendes, songwriter and producer Jake Gosling knows a thing or two about songwriting, here are his top tips!
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1:36, Ed Sheeran's philosophy when he writes a bad song isn't "move on, don't worry about it", but rather "give it to another artist and get royalties anyways". 😂
Most of my tracks are like that , I’d never perform or release them because it’s not my story or message and definitely not my brand dna but I got a bunch of great songs but how does one get it to another artists that will do it justice ?
@@noompsieOG Asking the real questions here. I'm struggling to find every right person to each song I wrote.
Lifted a weight off my shoulders, felt pressured by myself for not liking my own stuff, but I'll keep going until something I love comes up.
could not agree more!
This is honestly so informative. I seem to come up the choruses at random parts of my days. I guess I really just need to formulate a story around it. Thank you! Wish I could write with someone like you someday!!
So how many songs did u write?
Tell us. Its been 4 years man!!!!!!! Maybes she's now famous and has no time for peasants.
Trying to make transitions between all the good bits is honestly the worst thing
@@mojorisen7812 she dead
I'm the opposite, I can write verses great and they come to me all the time, but struggle with the simplicity of a chorus without sounding cheesy.
Best secret don't be pressured to finish a song in a day or a week let the song take how long it wants you to take to finish it.
The best thing he said and best advice was it’s hard writing songs on your own, for 8 years this was me, I felt pressure to write the whole myself , never had good producers until last year I found an amazing producer , I wrote I reckon maybe 80 percent of it and he did the rest together with me . And it paid off, best thing I’ve ever put out so far 😊my phone blew
Up with messages the day it came out saying how good it was .
True. Collaborating with others is a major key
@@Its_MLLOS fun
@@Its_MLLOS what if I want a sad song?
@@DaveTaste you can do sad songs with other ppl too
@@DaveTaste challenge yourself to write a sad song in a major key. 😉 And vice versa, write a happy song in a minor key
The melody of a song can be incredibly simple and still sound amazing. For example, the ascending background chorus in 'Hello Goodbye' by The Beatles, 'Hello Goodbye Hello Goodbye....', that's just the ascending major scale ( do-re-me-fa-so-la-ti-do )!
!!! 0:58 this is soooo trueee, this always happens to me, whenever i'm in class these ideas just pop in my head and i can't record melodieeess n it really sucks so i write a lot of lyrics in my school books, literally every book of mine has lyrics in the corners of the pages
Correct man same happens with me so almost my notebooks are full of songs or lyrical stuff which i dont want my teachers to read so its like before submission of my notebooks im like just tearing those and putting in my bag and my friends be like what r u doing and sometimes it feels like u r running out of pages 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm the exact opposite. I can't write lyrics to save my life. So I have a motif in my head, and I'll write that down and play it later. Happens even when datelines are, like, tomorrow lol. I write non-lyrics songs faster anyway.
Need a song writer ?
i think writer's block comes from you overthinking of what to say and how to say it rather than just saying whatever comes to your mind however you first think of saying it regardless of how bad it sounds.
Exactly.
1way2look@it
I've been writing songs and composing music for the last 7 years....your video has inspired me in some way or the other. I have always been scared to release my music....starting to work on it from today! thanks
Nice one Ermin, that's great to hear! Go for it! 😁
how are you progressing?
How’s it been?
Same have music I still haven’t released lol
@@cz_tg let’s write one together
Ideally I think it's best to try and write something that means something. But a hell of a lot of songs don't seem to mean much. My favourite songwriter has always been John Lennon. He wrote a lot of meaningful songs but a lot of my favourites of his he admitted himself didn't mean anything. It doesn't make any difference to me, a song like Rain or Hey Bulldog meant nothing but I can still listen to them all day. Even a pointless story if told brilliantly with great melodies, rhythm, instrumentation can be a great song.
Need a song writer?
They mean something to you
For me it’s vital to finish a song in one sitting. You capture the mood and moment fully
I tend to do that a lot too
Man I should be better about that. You’re totally right and every time I do it tends to be something more cohesive then my other works. But it gets difficult sometimes I spend hours replaying and singing the same thing over in a thousand different ways and it’s such a frustration. Still the only frustration I love tho hahaha
The main challenge I face while writing a song is staying to the topic. And every time I edit my lyrics ,they loose their original vybe.
I usually gather the topics of a song in a note before i even write it
Yooooo we can write together
That phenomenon of lyric editing messing with the original idea is sooo frustrating. I find that the best way to get out of that is to just improvise a few lyrics and play with what comes out, and when you run dry, keep playing through the song on your instrument and just improved lines until you have something you like
Pick an experience that relates to the topic but don’t go into detail. Keep it ambiguous or short like skimming a story. That way it still relates, it’s a true experience, and it gives you a bigger table of words and syllables to rhyme or play with. Also stay ambiguous with topic/theme. Add experience or made up story to that theme/topic that made you feel the way the topic makes you feel. Example: a theme would be “Love” talk brief or tell a short summed up story of an experience that made you feel “Love”
I got this way with rap. It’s harder to write a rap song on topic than say a R&B song bc there’s more words in shorter amount of time. Hope that helps!
@@Cee_Bexcellent way to put it, thank you
This should have a lot more views!
Hey, I really appreciate your poster behind the computer. That’s typical design for Polish posters so I recognised it immediately. Real work of art!
So true. I don't really understand when ideas are coming, it is strange and weird because sometime nothing comes during few days and at one moment there is a trigger. And Ideas are moving you toward a direction which is often not expected ! It's really like surfing a wave ...
being around and working with articulate professionals is a plus
The cooking analogy really resonated with me. Undercook, like soft cookies 🍪
You just helped me so much just with that first tip 😭😭 thank you !
Need a song writer?
@@Afrodulcys yes interested
@@aguchinasa1234 what?
Brief but with so much golden nuggets.
I guess it's nice to have a tambourine available on your arm all the time :D Anyway, helpful video, thank you very much. I always had and still have the same opinion about writers block. But I still tend to overcook so thanks for the reminder :)
It really boils down to being a HEART issue when telling your listeners a story set to a melody that makes it a HEART issue for them too. The groove and all the other instrumentation added is secondary.
Some nice tips on songwriting and I have always want to write a song but never got round to it. Now beginning note down possible phrases and take it from there. Don’t expect an amazing song to come out 1st time and from experience most things in music take time and practice. Good Luck
Wow! This is what music is about! He really confirmed everything I think and I'm happy to see people like that in the music industry :))))
He's speaking to so much of what I've been experiencing! I love that I found this video.
This video is SO cool and really helpful
He seems like a really chill guy, i bet he must be fun to hang out with
Hey now I learned how to write songs by absorbing, by hanging around my friend who knew how to write. All he ever told me outright was to keep it simple. Of course I dont deal with today's radio hits kind of music they can pull that stuff out of the dirt
If you’ve got a broad vocal range you can galvanise the lyrics to penetrate deep in to the listeners being regardless of the emotional resonance the words carry alone
Well said 👏🏾
I usually say a life well lived is a song best written
I haven't really written with others very often but going to give it a try.
I really appreciate this video. Started to doubt my writing skills but honestly I’m not bad. It’s just my Confidence that ruins it
I’ve decided that even if my lyrics are totally crap, I’m just going to ride it with confidence, pretending they’re alright.
The whole point of writing a song is that you have something to say.
A reason for writing in the first place is having something to say about a given topic.
thank Mr Jake Gosling for share most important information with us.
The background music is so OMG
Back when I was a kid growing up I had some psychic time traveler people tell me I was really good at song writing. One said the best to do it. The story was I worked computer jobs for some years and made enough money to do what I wanted in life. Found I was related to some music company, which I think is why I did that. Tragic ending though, fatally shot at a young age.
Tragic. You are so full of regrets your soul turned into a ghost to type out this message
Thank you for your advice,this helps a lot.
So so true. I mean what's the point if there is no story right. Songs come to me even in my sleep and I get up immediately and record fhem on my phone. But doing it alone sometimes feels lonely especially when I get stuck. Thanks a million.
I problem of making a tune of a song, what comes first ? Because tune sometimes collide. I guess you'll help out!
You're wearing a Skynet cyborg tank chain on your arm. THAT's a song.
Fantastic advice! Will bare in mind 💯
Thanks for this. I'm a songwriter in the Scottish Highlands. Really interesting to watch.
Great video, always good to take in another perspective.
Thank you It was very informative and useful!
This is gold.
I've written a number of songs.
I wish I can supply one or two for you to look at.
I'm Charles from Papua New Guinea.
It’s important that you put that information out there.
this clear my mind up, thanks u so much! ❤
I noticed a trick ed uses that the beatles used on their bridges and choruses. They're always very cagey to talk about it to obviously stop every man and his dog using it. It's very obvious when you hear it. Ed has studied and cracked the code
Non songwriting tip: Wear your bracelet / wrist chain on the other wrist than the one you wear your watch on.
My problem with writing a song is getting that beat, that's been playing in my head to correctly come out into paper or my fl studio phone.
0:49 you know I was just thinking I love come together by the Beatles for exactly that reason!
Thank you for the tips
'Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendes, Shania Twain' -> "do your own thing and don't copy others" 🙃
Check out the backstory of Black Knight, one of Deep Purple's epic hits... (there are exceptions to the rule...)
I've got more content that's come from more hardship than a lot of people could imagine thanks to being a raging alcoholic for 20-plus years. My challenge was and is figuring out how to play the guitar to be sober again. I have almost three years sober and I'm just now getting to where I feel like I did before I had a drinking problem money comes through the guitar being in my hands. Thank God, now just need the motivation to get all of this out of my soul and into the air where its vibrations can travel to be heard and hopefully moving to others Souls.
Thanks so much for this!!
Inspirational
Really cool & inspiring thanks for posting 👌❤️
I have never gotten writer's block in my life. In fact I get ideas in my dreams that I am too lazy to make. I have too many ideas. I just had a mariachi song in my dream called Apolena and I'm just too tired to make it. Some one take all these song ideas. I'm filled to the brim.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Wow this is exactly me. I start humming and singing words and lyrics and I want to record it and write it down.
Thank u for that. Got it at the right time
Brilliant ideas.
Nice video, good explanation!
feels good to come across these types of videos & be reminded that im doing everything right
Terrific advice. 🎶👍
Wow impressive
The thing he said about the phone,,,I do that too
Good stuff 👍🏼
If someone writes good lyrics/poetry but can’t sing or play/compose music is it a dead end? Do you need to send in ready sung samples and how to get started?
That's a lyricist right here. Nothing wrong with approaching a composer to join forces
writer's block = a block where everyone writes and no one steals from their neighbors because they are too busy with their own work.
too bad most people don't write.
Explain to me how to use the accidentals
Cool stuff :)
This is so true
Thank you!!
My greatest ideas come whilst driving..
"the most deepest" .... I think I have heard enough from this guy 😂
I’m going to make it
You can do it!
This was so usefull
Yup he's right.
I usually have the melody but the words don’t come to me smh.
another great vlog .................................
i deleted all of my recordings from when i was younger :/ bullying and other things really fucked with my head it’s ruined now
He holds his left arm at a 90 degree angle the whole time and on his lap so that his oversized bracelet doesnt fall off😂
I think the problem is that songwriting means [song -> writing]. Most often it's just lack of song ideas musically.
Without a song writing has no sense ;)
I think people should more concentrate on music itself not on telling a story, because it's most important part :)
Most people don't give a s**t what the song is about when it's boring to death.
I am interested in songwriting. Is there any song that has not been published, despite it good writing? What make the song not well receive by the people, despite having clear structures and rhythms?
cool info
Where are you
Can you explain this to oasis?
If the spirit moves you what am I supposed to do
Facts though.
My songs ar so confontating like the sexpistal shud I play them in. Publi k and start a revaltion
songs always start as an emotion with in , hardly ever a lyric first but a melody on a changing chord.
theres no way you can learn to be a good song writer using software etc , good songs come from within , the have hook .
Lyrics are secondary in songwriting. It’s an important part but music is first.
i thin as soon as you ask yourself is this good you lose all creative agency, you begin to spiral and doubt everything. finish your thought, don't judge it and when its in a digestible draft seek edits/feedback.
thx"
That bracelet though hahahahaha
I finished my lyrics.. but i dont know how to sing to whole song.. i need some courage .. i have my guitar.. i played (F#M) , (D) , (A) , (E) .. its about my story .. being one sided love .. and i think its a sad song .. but maybe sounded cheesy too .. arghhhhhh im so stressed !! How , the songwriter are good at these though ?
Can someone help me .. its been one week now i haven't work on how to sing my own words .. that notes just cheesy bro.. arghh
And i dont have money to buy a studio that makes a whole song perfectly.. i just wanted to tell the world my story , and wanted her to know , about my feelings .. i don't hoping that she accepting , but i hope she realize it .. maybe i make move .. i need some courage .. to make this happen? Yeah absolutely .. cause thats what i want .. its not about im gonna be famous , oooo im gonna be rich.. nah .. not that .. i want to express my feelings to her , through a song .. i think thats cute though😅
Well i don't know if this is going to help people to write songs. "Only write songs if you got something to say"?? What about Beatles Yesterday which started with Paul McCartney obtaining a melody from a dream. At first he didn't know what the lyrics and the meaning of the song should be and just tried out nonsensical lyrics to begin with I.e. Scrambled Eggs. Then when he worked through the song structure started to get a better feel as what the lyrics should be. Telling someone that a song has to have something to say from the very beginning makes it more difficult for anyone to write songs I believe
Are you looking for a collaborator?
I need someone whom we can write a song together!