The biggest benefit to VR is the depth perception and the three-dimensional space that it creates around you. Visually it actually puts you inside of the vehicle. So that being said an eye tracker doesn’t do much for me, it’s not going to create that same immersion. I think you’re misrepresenting VR to a lot of people that haven’t tried it by comparing the two.
Depth perception is a huge benefit which I've discussed a lot on the channel, however VR still has cons which put people off and I think this brings some of the other benefits
I can't believe he would misrepresent facts on a "sponsored review" which is, by the way, the dumbest phrase I've ever heard. Content creator milking his audience for money, like every time ever? Well, I never. Eye tracking makes no sense in sim racing.
Great to see you doing your due diligence as the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 was released in 2020, it's not a new product. Take the sponsored money and run Kireth.
They have way cheaper versions. I got my whole setup for around $40 bucks. Sadly, it's been sitting in my closet since i bought it. I tried it out for about a week, and it just doesn't work how anyone would expect it to. I mean it works but it can be finicky and im quite a bit faster with just regular triples. Maybe worth it for a single monitor.
I have had my TrackIR head tracker for years and have used it as well as using my HP Reverb VR. I used the VR more than the TrackIR. Recently, I set up a ViewSonic X2-4K projector which gives me a 4K 150 inch image on my wall. I dug out the TrackIR and mounted the receiver on the top of my racing seat BEHIND me. My seat, wheel and pedals are all attached to my NLR motion platform. The resulting experience is superb. I still use VR sometimes but the TrackIR setup is just so easy, convenient and effective, I find myself using it more and more compared to the VR. I didn't think the TrackIR would work from behind so close to my head but it works fine after a bit of fiddling with the settings. I have tried a face tracker before but had problems of having to mount it to the side which I didn't like. Also I found it didn't work in the dark whereas the infra red TrackIR does.
Bro, this is just Track IR. It’s nothing like VR and doesn’t give you the main stuff VR has, like depth perception. The title feels kinda misleading because this isn’t even close to actual VR. Maybe a better title would be something like: ‘A Cheaper Alternative to VR for Sim Racing POVs.’ Just my two cents, but yeah, cool idea for people who don’t wanna spend on a headset
I've never understood why we have'nt seen 3d monitors (with active glasses)on triple screen rigs. The best of all worlds. Depth perception, huge fov, no sweatly headset....Just never understood why this was never pushed harder. Sure 3d tvs were a gimmick. But in a sim rig triples situation, it would be perfect
I see this being a cheap alternative to triple minitors as opposed to VR, perhaps the biggest benefit could be the coaching aspect you mentioned. Could also be interesting if it could be used for other types of games, first person shooters could benefit from something like this if the response time is fast enough
@Kireth yeah or for leaning from behind cover, maybe even for aiming itself. I've played Rez on PSVR2 where you can aim just by looking and it's great fun
With Eye Beam available on steam that does head and eye tracking with any old webcam and Opentrack, I'm wondering what the benefit is of buying the Tobii?
Thats a video I'd like to watch. Cause a friend of me did this too and stuck with it. Was just a test before buying Tobii Eye. He's very happy about it. But I just wanted to buy Tobii :D I wait for comparison video. Cause 2,5 D worth it. He doesn't even bother choosing car without 2,5 D since.
Using open track you can mount it on the top of your monitor, but you need to point the tobii device more down . Im using it this way in miltiple sims like star citizen, ets2, msfs2024 etc. Currenlty not yet using in racing games because i havent found the sweet spot of headmovement without getting motion sick which is odd because i dint have that issue in the other games
I have the 4C version and it's in the bottom of my cupboard somewhere. It was miles too sensitive and I couldn't turn it down enough. It's miles too expensive as well, especially when you can get a refurbed quest 3 128gb for about 350....
@@Kireth I'm not saying that you are looking off screen. I'm saying that you have to turn your head for the eye tracker to register your head movement and then you have to keep your eyes on the screen. At 3:49 it's easy to see how you turn your head away from the screen but you obviously have to keep your eyes on the apex, so you have to look at it from the corners of your eyes. It's not an extreme movement but it doesn't look natural or comfortable over longer periods
I have the same thing with a webcam and free software ....you only need head tracking not eye tracking. which allows you to look at things without it moving the image . Tobii is crazy expensive for something you can do for almost nothing .
Dit is de reden dat Kinect van xbox one goed was om deze mogelijkheid te gebruiken in forza dat was in 2014 ik heb dit gebruikt met mijn TX stuurwiel zeer blij dat deze terug is Hopelijk kan ik mijn kinect daarvoor gebruiken met deze software Dank u voor de tip 😊GRZ Paul
Cant wait two more years and sim racing is goings to be almost as good as real racing i have a g force seat rig idea nobody else has thought of i have the idea but im not good with the software end of things look for a partnership would you be interested
The greatest benefit is depth perception VR. However the VR experience is unparelleled. Get a quest 3. Dont fall for this sponsored reviewed product placement.
This is great and all ..but for 223pounds its an overkill considering u can get similar results for around 20 Dollars or even less❤..Great Product though
No i mean u can get u a webcam nd use open track ..or use ur phone with open track …or now that u can use ur phone as vr on vr box with iriun vr .theres that too..theres lotta options that makes it not worth it to buy TRACKIR OR ANY EYE OR Face rack DEVICES with that amount of money…unless u investing in proper VR
This is Track IR… Nothing like VR or give your any of the advantages of VR like depth perception.
This is a replacement for triples not VR
The biggest benefit to VR is the depth perception and the three-dimensional space that it creates around you. Visually it actually puts you inside of the vehicle. So that being said an eye tracker doesn’t do much for me, it’s not going to create that same immersion. I think you’re misrepresenting VR to a lot of people that haven’t tried it by comparing the two.
Depth perception is a huge benefit which I've discussed a lot on the channel, however VR still has cons which put people off and I think this brings some of the other benefits
I can't believe he would misrepresent facts on a "sponsored review" which is, by the way, the dumbest phrase I've ever heard. Content creator milking his audience for money, like every time ever? Well, I never. Eye tracking makes no sense in sim racing.
@spraynardkruger6426 this should answer your questions ☺️ th-cam.com/video/iXlbU9G0DcI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0hsa24sYGteDjkIG
Fun fact: You can do this with an old xbox kinect v1 or v2. Uses the same free opentrack software.
I built my setup for around £30
I am absolutely looking into this. Thanks for posting that.
You can also do this with a phone that supports faceID
Mad!
You don’t need a Kinect, you cam do it with any webcam
Great to see you doing your due diligence as the Tobii Eye Tracker 5 was released in 2020, it's not a new product. Take the sponsored money and run Kireth.
They have way cheaper versions. I got my whole setup for around $40 bucks. Sadly, it's been sitting in my closet since i bought it. I tried it out for about a week, and it just doesn't work how anyone would expect it to. I mean it works but it can be finicky and im quite a bit faster with just regular triples. Maybe worth it for a single monitor.
I have had my TrackIR head tracker for years and have used it as well as using my HP Reverb VR. I used the VR more than the TrackIR. Recently, I set up a ViewSonic X2-4K projector which gives me a 4K 150 inch image on my wall. I dug out the TrackIR and mounted the receiver on the top of my racing seat BEHIND me. My seat, wheel and pedals are all attached to my NLR motion platform. The resulting experience is superb. I still use VR sometimes but the TrackIR setup is just so easy, convenient and effective, I find myself using it more and more compared to the VR. I didn't think the TrackIR would work from behind so close to my head but it works fine after a bit of fiddling with the settings. I have tried a face tracker before but had problems of having to mount it to the side which I didn't like. Also I found it didn't work in the dark whereas the infra red TrackIR does.
you can do this free with an old webcam and software
Who remembers the head tracking in PS3 with the Eye webcam? It was on GT5 or Prologue.
Bro, this is just Track IR. It’s nothing like VR and doesn’t give you the main stuff VR has, like depth perception. The title feels kinda misleading because this isn’t even close to actual VR. Maybe a better title would be something like: ‘A Cheaper Alternative to VR for Sim Racing POVs.’ Just my two cents, but yeah, cool idea for people who don’t wanna spend on a headset
I've never understood why we have'nt seen 3d monitors (with active glasses)on triple screen rigs. The best of all worlds. Depth perception, huge fov, no sweatly headset....Just never understood why this was never pushed harder. Sure 3d tvs were a gimmick. But in a sim rig triples situation, it would be perfect
Market didn't want it.
I love VR. MERRY CHRISTMAS 🙏
I see this being a cheap alternative to triple minitors as opposed to VR, perhaps the biggest benefit could be the coaching aspect you mentioned. Could also be interesting if it could be used for other types of games, first person shooters could benefit from something like this if the response time is fast enough
Hmm like peek round doors?
@Kireth yeah or for leaning from behind cover, maybe even for aiming itself. I've played Rez on PSVR2 where you can aim just by looking and it's great fun
Gran turismo 5 did it with the play station cam.
With Eye Beam available on steam that does head and eye tracking with any old webcam and Opentrack, I'm wondering what the benefit is of buying the Tobii?
I'm not familiar with Eye Beam but the Tobii is quite wide. Maybe that helps with tracking
@Kireth *Beam Eye Tracker. If the Tobii improves latency and accuracy, then perhaps it's worth the hefty price tag. Hard to know not having tried it!
Seems like a comparison would be a good video!
Thats a video I'd like to watch. Cause a friend of me did this too and stuck with it. Was just a test before buying Tobii Eye. He's very happy about it. But I just wanted to buy Tobii :D I wait for comparison video. Cause 2,5 D worth it. He doesn't even bother choosing car without 2,5 D since.
Tobi is very popular in the space sim community, I’ve used one for years and love it.
@@iroquoisplissken3583 nice!
Hi
I’m new to GT7
What is OP ?
I hear it being referred to often
Overpowered bro
@ thanks man
Thought so
Any information if this will work with Ps5?
Using open track you can mount it on the top of your monitor, but you need to point the tobii device more down . Im using it this way in miltiple sims like star citizen, ets2, msfs2024 etc. Currenlty not yet using in racing games because i havent found the sweet spot of headmovement without getting motion sick which is odd because i dint have that issue in the other games
I have the 4C version and it's in the bottom of my cupboard somewhere.
It was miles too sensitive and I couldn't turn it down enough.
It's miles too expensive as well, especially when you can get a refurbed quest 3 128gb for about 350....
In the Next Video: Kireth mounts a monitor and Tobi eye tracker to his Roto VR explorer...
...and sets a new monitor 0-60 mph world record 😂
Bro imagine 😅😅😅
Anytime I turn my head, I am no longer looking at the monitor directly. I don't see how this can remotely compare to VR.
I'm not looking off screen tho
You say that you're not doing anything unnatural, but you're turning your head and having to keep your eyes on the screen. It looks unnatural
I'm not looking off screen, I'm looking at the apex on screen
@@Kireth I'm not saying that you are looking off screen. I'm saying that you have to turn your head for the eye tracker to register your head movement and then you have to keep your eyes on the screen. At 3:49 it's easy to see how you turn your head away from the screen but you obviously have to keep your eyes on the apex, so you have to look at it from the corners of your eyes. It's not an extreme movement but it doesn't look natural or comfortable over longer periods
Karl Gosling also reviewed the Tobii, and his general feeling was very positive toward it.
Interesting. Once set up it (and in my case the effects made more subtle) it feels very intuitive
It’s basically track IR just more natural and Realistic
What about when using it with motion actuators???
If modern gaming wasn’t so expensive everyone would be using it as a hobby
Pretty misleading title, as this is not even close to vr.😕
Maybe i would rather have eyetracker than huge vr on my head.
I wonder if it would work with 160" projector screen.
If you have the neck of an owl
The software work with a norml webcam or 2 cams.
Triples for the win. MSI 27” QHD 170hz monitors only USD $150/ea during the holidays.
Nice. How close do you have the central monitor compared to mine in the video here?
I have the same thing with a webcam and free software ....you only need head tracking not eye tracking. which allows you to look at things without it moving the image . Tobii is crazy expensive for something you can do for almost nothing .
If you split the sensors to the sides of the monitor it should work well and it would be out of the way.
Good point. This would require disassembling the product though?
@@Kireth I was hoping we wouldn't have to do it. I should have said, "if THEY split the sensors..."
Would you make a video of how you set up the Tobii? I would be interested in that
Yes will be in next rig tour!
Does it work on console
I don't think so but I could be wrong. I had to install a couple of programs on PC
This on ultra wides would be interesting
Is het mogelijk om kinect te testen met deze software dat zal veel Racers kunnen helpen Grz Paul
Dit is de reden dat Kinect van xbox one goed was om deze mogelijkheid te gebruiken in forza dat was in 2014 ik heb dit gebruikt met mijn TX stuurwiel zeer blij dat deze terug is
Hopelijk kan ik mijn kinect daarvoor gebruiken met deze software
Dank u voor de tip 😊GRZ Paul
You can indeed use the Kinect with this software, but it can be quite cpu hungry and prefers lower light situations. Search for "Kinect Opentrack"
Gran Turismo 5 done this on the PS3 with the playstation eye eye camera, was not good then... is not good now
Just clicked to say how utterly ridiculous this is...
Ridiculously good or ridiculously bad? Comment unclear 😅
Nothing like VR
What about the lazy eye’d folks!!? ( don’t laugh )
Not compatible with Romesh Ranganathan
This would probably be something good for someone that gets sick from using VR. So yes, it could be an alternative to VR.
I have Track IR. This is more or less the same thing. Nothing really new.
Wish you could get that to work with GT7 on the playstation 5
Unfortunately I suspect this is not possible!
I wish people wouldn't support garbage platforms and garbage games
Tell me about same thing with the FIA giving the F1 license to EA so they can make the worst f1 games in history.
Cant wait two more years and sim racing is goings to be almost as good as real racing i have a g force seat rig idea nobody else has thought of i have the idea but im not good with the software end of things look for a partnership would you be interested
Bro tell me more 🙌🙌
Not compatible with console though so a HUGE deal breaker
The greatest benefit is depth perception VR. However the VR experience is unparelleled.
Get a quest 3. Dont fall for this sponsored reviewed product placement.
th-cam.com/video/xbBPhXrPgz0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pA1ONCjbxNPWwSsO
No, you can’t. Virtual Reality gives you scale and a 3D world. Eye tracking doesn’t. So not even close.
This is great and all ..but for 223pounds its an overkill considering u can get similar results for around 20 Dollars or even less❤..Great Product though
Damn what's the setup for that?
Track Ir 1 or something
@@F1MercedesHamFan44 i think the original poster missed a zero cause that TrackIR device is not "20 dollar"
No i mean u can get u a webcam nd use open track ..or use ur phone with open track …or now that u can use ur phone as vr on vr box with iriun vr .theres that too..theres lotta options that makes it not worth it to buy TRACKIR OR ANY EYE OR Face rack DEVICES with that amount of money…unless u investing in proper VR
Well What I meant was the first Track IR or Track IR 1 is probably selling for pretty low price because it’s old
Its this
Since when is flatscreen VR? You just lost credibility points here.
Damn. How many credibility points am I on now?
Also when you’re single you can build a sim setup and not be bothered.
This is why I don’t want a girlfriend because they just want money from you and that’s it.
Exactly my thoughts when setting up the Tobii Eye Tracker 5
That’s why I wanna be single so I can play games and not have to by makeup instead.
Upgrade to triples bro
Insufficient funds bro 😅
What a stupid statement