DIY Solar Patio Build Part 2 - Homemade Solar Patio for EG4 18KPV
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@mwreyf1 Mentioned I should have used H-clips for the plywood. So great tip that I did not think about at the time but anyone trying this can use them!
Just a note from a builder- high temp roofing underpayment with metal roofing is the standard but with the layer of solar shading the roof, should be fine. Also expensive. I have so much to learn about solar so appreciate all the good TH-camrs like you.
Had no idea that was a thing. Like I said not really a builder lol. It should work for now I think. Will look into that next time! Thanks
Nice work Rodney! Amazing how you do everything all by yourself. Don't forget to add a nice bead of sealant at the top edge of your metal shingles so you don't get water seeping in 👍👍
Hey thanks. Left a small gap since this is freestanding. We have the eave from roof that should cover most of the small gap. Thank you for the tip! Can always add it if it seems necessary later
@@rodneyhunt That OCB doesn't like getting exposed to moisture, so get it all covered and sealed up!
Great job, looks awesome! That's a lot of work. I usually get half way through and realize how much I bit off😅. You really stuck with it. That patio cover will be enjoyed for many years.
I also have to say your selection and implementation of music in this video is very enjoyable.
Hey thanks! You never know how the music will go over with some people.
I’ve been waiting all week for this video! I just bought land and going through the permitting now to start building a house. This is the exact setup I’ve been wanting to do. Thanks for the great video
That is awesome! Make some videos
Bs you have to ask for permission to build on your own property....
@@coreysmith8398 amen to that. 4 months and a few thousand dollar just for someone to ok it is nonsense!
Goodness gracious what a knowledgeable and hard working man you are…. Well done sir!!!
I’m not lol. I did plenty wrong with this build but it should work. Thanks!
The energy level of this man. Wow. I am tired just watching you go up and down and up and down. Please tell us what you eat!
Lol. Carnivore diet since January 21st. Had to get this done!
Hey Rodney, looks great. Only thing I'd do do different is to skip the plywood and tar paper (we just want some shade) and use bifacial panels. I see your comment to another that you too used bifacials but your parents wanted the weather blocked by ply and tar paper.
I would have also just put 22.5" spacers across between the joists where the plywood seam is - that would have given you a little more strength. And, like you mention below, using those H clips helps too. Looks good man!
Yes I agree with skipping roof for just the panels! But they have what they want now at least. Thanks!
@@rodneyhuntgreat job. I am looking at doing what Joe mentioned: Bi-facial no plywood since we just need shade. I learn a lot from your videos and get ideas.
Thanks
Thoughtful high-quality installation
Thank you! Appreciate your support
Awesome work, Rodney!
Thank you kindly! appreciate that
That looks really awesome!
Thank you! It is working well
Rodney one other thing, you only need 9 optimizer for the top 9 panels, and wire the top together and the bottom together separately, it seems in the morning only the top 9 panels get shaded.
Really early the bottom seems to be shaded some as well. Regardless I will add since could be more shading during winter months when sun is lower in the sky. Plus I ordered enough to cover them all
@@rodneyhunt copy that plus with the Tiago app you can see each panel performance so that’s a plus too, BTW their is just one thing I don’t get, the grid connection is going back to your main panel via backfeed 70amp breaker, how does the 18Kpv knows what the grid is feeding your main panel with the grid is still connected to the main panel lugs? Is there some sort of sensor the 18Kpv has to detect the grid load or it just assumes if the house is asking for X and its sending Y then the grid most be Y- X?
The CT’s are the sensors. They are on grid input lines that are connected to the main grid panel. Your main lines on your 200 amp breaker.
@@rodneyhunt i see .. i think i missed that part now that makes sense, i missed you got CT’s on the main hot lines .. now i can sleep lol thanks again brother .. keep up with the awesome content 👍
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Great Work Rodney, I can recommend using a grandfather cane method to push the wires thru the roof ( like HVAC ) , meaning using like 180 degree pipe like a cane to push the wires then bend and go down that way no water will drip in just use 2 90 degree 1 inch and some straight pipe thru the hole, seal it and then push the wire water like to travel on wires, even if u seal it most chances it will go in, using the method the water will have to go up then down so its less chance it will go in.
Great tip thanks! Appreciate the support
Nice work Sir!
Thank you kindly!
Thanks for another great video 👍
You bet! Appreciate the support
@Rodney man that’s amazing job doing it all by yourself with 6x6, i built mine as well with 4x4 and it was a PITA doing it along, i can only imagine 6x6 dude! BTW what is the brand name and model number of the pergola as your parents house? I’ll to use that for my expansion, seems like less pain to build? Keep up with the awesome content!! You rock!
Hey thanks. Not sure but they got it at Lowes years ago.
Use a razor knife to score your edges to keep the saw from splintering so much. I learned this when cutting some Luan panneled doors.
Nice. Will try that
Nice setup!!! Install looks clean. I would have left overhang longer so shade would be less on the top panels if they were lower down on the roof. I would add a L Drips edge against the wall so water doesn't go down the wall. Impressive build man. You did an amazing job.
Hey thanks! Good ideas
Very nice diy build
Appreciate that! Thanks
Very impressive!
Thank you! 🙏
Nice work 💪🏻
Thank you!
Nice looking project!
Thank you! Appreciate that
@rodneyhunt great work and thank you for once again teaching us unique ways to use space wisely while also harnessing the suns power!
Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to check it out
Great Job Rodney
Thank you! 🙏
I am looking forward to your video about the optimizers. I wonder what the power difference will be between the angle they are at now and what a 30 degree tilt would do.
Would have been nice to have more of an angle fir sure. Just didn’t work out with what we had to work with. Video about optimizers will hopefully been out next week sometime.
Welcome back mister..Nice work.
Thank you kindly.
Another great video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you
Nice job Rodney!
Thank you! Appreciate the support
Great work 👍🏾👍🏾
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Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@rodneyhunt thank you.
looking good
Thank you!
Great video. Looking forward to the rest of it. Unrelated: It always blows my mind that we can take sunlight and convert it to something that can electrocute us. Such a strange thing.
You and me both! We always find a way to create something that can hurt us
Good job
Thanks. Appreciate that
I'm doing a solar pergola roof here, 4x460w, 100% south
Nice! Always good to have some solar power
I would put the optimizers only on the top 9 to save money. Good luck with your project Rodney
I have already ordered enough for them all. During winter months should help with lower sun
DIY Solar Fun with Ray Loveless does use grid to supplement his 6000XP. Couldn't start central hvac until he tied grid in. Trying to be sure before I get XPs. Thanks great fun and editing / commentary is all perfect
Yes they have grid input but not grid interaction. The 18kpv can receive and feed the main grid panel. 👍
Advise him to install a soft start on the AC…
Good idea!👍
@@rodneyhunt Are you saying the 6kxp is unable to pull the difference in load from the grid like in the video? so it would be all solar+battery OR all grid?
Just couldn’t go to same main panel like 18k. You would need grid input from a different panel or the meter to feed the 6000xp that feeds the panel it is connected too. So in from one place and out to another. The 18k can send to the same panel the grid is powering.
Man, Rodney, couldn't your parents hire you a helper? Even for a day? That's not very efficient for one person. Really a two-man job. Great work!
They offered but I am stubborn lol.
@@rodneyhuntYou sound a lot like me! lol
I like to do things on my crazy schedule. I might get to work really early or late. Just when I have time and not trying to have someone waiting on me or vice versa
Would be the first to help if I lived close to you. Would be great to learn from you as well.
Hoping to see a test soon on with and without optimizers on a setup like this.
Will do! Thanks
I was going to say you waste all the time and money on the roofing portion when you can easily use the panels as the roof nowadays but I noticed the panels are bifacial so this is actually big brain because you are using the heat that will be reflected by the metal roof as more energy for the back parts of the panels. GOOD JOB SIR!
I wanted to panels as rhetorical roof but parents wanted the roof then panels. So I hope the metal will reflect some light but probably not much. We will see but they are doing good so far
@@rodneyhunt You should of explained to them the huge increase in the panel outputs by keeping them open on the bottom, your right by mounting flush on the roof you will loose most all the benefits of having Bi-facials
@@Rock_Nemo I did but they want what they want. I might just get them some bigger mono panels in the future for the shelter
Solar panels collect power by light, not heat. You are a smooth brain.
@@jimbob100-d3l dude I mispoke but he knew what I meant no need to be rude
Thanks for taking the extra time to record and edit the video. Great job especially since you did most if not all of it by yourself. I have a question about the cables under the panel laying on the roof. Do they need to be tied up somehow so that they are not touching the roof? Maybe you are waiting until you install the optimizers before you do that or maybe I am wrong. Thanks again for the great content.
Yes. Waiting until optimizer install to clip wires to panels. Thanks
Should use brackets make by s-4 that screw right into the ribs. Make jobs a bit easier😊
Yeah! Probably need to look into different brackets for the next metal roof job. Thanks
Great Job Rodney on the Solar Patio! What went into the decision for metal roof over matching asphalt shingles like the rest of the house? Just curious. Thx
Parents choice. Plus metal is easy for me to install. I think the metal is much less weight as well.
Good job ! Try to have pc wires attached to panels under and not loose on metal roof
Will do! Going to add optimizers so didn’t want to tie all cables down yet
@Rodney when will you release the build of material? I like to know that 6x6 L support and length of the bolt .. did you painted the bolts black?
Video is on my to do list but not sure when exactly. I did not paint any bolts.
@@rodneyhunt so the bolts for the L brace came as a kit? .. ok will wait for the parts build video ..
Those are simpson strong tie brackets and bolts. They come separately though. Got them from lowes
Outdoor accents might be the name of that series if brackets and hardware
@@rodneyhunt awesome thank you .. mine are some amazon low cost version, they work but has NO style to them, i like yours a ton.. will swap mine out once i get them.. thanks
Lots of great info in your videos. Do you mind sharing what state you're in and how difficult it is to get permits for your DIY solar if you need them?
I’m in North Carolina. We try to do off grid setups so depending on your jurisdiction permits shouldn’t be required. I did look on my counties website and found nothing on solar. But then again I would not ask either. Not giving them any reason to get involved lol. But please follow all your local applicable laws. 👍
@@rodneyhunt thanks. I like your off grid set-up. I'll look into it for my area but the city and insurance companies don't make it easy. I'm definitely not giving a solar company Mercedes money to install some panels and an inverter.
Exactly! Hopefully you can get it sorted out. Regulators taking freedom from us daily. It will be worth it when you finish!
Interested to learn about the optimizers.
They should be a game changer for partial shading on string inverters.
@@rodneyhunt I'm curious to see what your results are. I've seen several unbiased tests comparing with and without. Seems to be mixed results and there are loses with them as well. Kinda should have them for RSD being on the roof though.
Nice! Are those bifacial solar panels?
Yes they are! Had a different plan when ordered. But used what we had!
I think this is the best way to install them, not on your roof.
Working well so far!
Looking good Rodney, as are you. Looks like you've lost a bit of weight. Good job, i need to also. Only thing I'd done different is put a band on the front of the porch on the joist as it keeps it from twisting and curling over time.... Jefg
Oh nice. I have been doing the carnivore diet since January 21st. Lost over 50lbs. Thanks
@rodneyhunt Excellent, 2 year ago we did keto lost over 40lbs. But unfortunately work got in the way. Trying to get my wife to do again or carnivore diet. Just don't feel good at present.
Feel better as well. I think everyone should try it for 30-45 days to see how they feel.
Great job! Where did you get the cool hat?
OfficialHodgetwins site I believe
Great job. What is your plan for End wall drip edge where the brick face meets the end of your roofing. I totally see water running down the brick and getting under your roofing. There's a good YT video on this at Metal Roofing Learning Channel. Search: "How To Install Metal Roof Endwall Flashing On An Awning. Endwall Trim Installation Instructions"
For now leaving the small gap to keep structures separate. The eaves on the garage roof should keep most rain off the spot unless the wind is blowing directly at it. Rained several times since installing plywood and has stayed dry so far.
Should have used H-Clips on that OSB.
I remember that from flooring but didn’t think about it for the roof. Next time I do something like this
At least I think that is where I saw it could be wrong. Not a builder really but thanks for the tip
Does the hybrid inverter have an arc fault interrupter or something to detect arcs if a connection becomes loose over time? 400V DC seems pretty dangerous in this regard.
I know it has a PV short alarm. So it must turn off but not 100% sure. Will try to find out.
@@rodneyhunt I was mostly talking about series arcing, not parallel arcing. I don't think they will trigger a short alarm.
Will need to do some research on this topic. Thanks for the info
Yes, the 18kPV has arc fault protection on the PV.
From the spec sheet: PV Arc Fault Protection, PV Ground Fault Protection, PV
Reverse Polarity Protection, Pole Sensitive Leakage Current
Monitoring Unit, Surge Protection Device, Output Over-Voltage
Protection, Output Over-Voltage Protection Varistor,
Integrated Disconnect DC switch for each MPPT
@@AndirHon thank you! There are so many cheap chinese hybrid inverters on the market nowadays, and I doubt that most of them have an arc fault protection even though they usually accept up to 500V, good to know EG4 ones are equipped.
Seems like a lightening strike waitin to happy to me
Why is that? Not a lightning rod sticking straight up above everything?
@@rodneyhuntI could just be ignorant
Just wondering what you saw that I might need to fix. I make plenty of mistakes. Thanks
I am planning for a similar pergola to install solar panels. For the 30% Federal Credit, can i include the cost of pergola or is it just the solar panels that qualify?
That is mounting for panels so should be included in my opinion. Ask an accountant to verify but that is what I think
@@rodneyhunt thank you
@@rodneyhunt Using your logic, you could write off the house the panels are attached too also! LOL! No, the pergola itself would not qualify...
No the house was already there. The mount was specifically built for the panels. But like I clearly stated you should ask an accountant. Thanks
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Is your main panel connected to both the grid and the 18Kpv?
Yes. I have the 70 amp backfeed breaker on the panel from the inverter grid connection. It can receive power or send it back to panel.
@@rodneyhuntdid you already have your meter change to a grid tied meter? What if the house is not using much power and the batteries are full, will the PV not back feed the grid?
@@fullyelectric Have it set to zero export so basically it doesn’t feed back. You may some days see a .1 export but you utility will probably never see that if it is completely accurate. We will see over time though
@@rodneyhuntinteresting so with zero export set it somehow knows not to back feed the grid even when directly connected to the grid? What is power goes out does the grid output stop feeding your main panel since your load is connected to your sub panel? Sorry for the loads of questions i want to get the 18Kpv or that new 12Kpv lol also i thought zero export just means the 18Kpv does not send back power out of the grid input .. so your main panel should not get any PV or Batteries power.
It is CT’s on main grid panel input to monitor flow of power. Yes the way I have it set I think it stops feeding back main panel when grid power is lost. But might be a way to have it feed back somehow if you turn off breaker. Will try to test that out
how much in total was the solar part?
Will need to calculate that when I get a chance. Will do an update