TRYING To Build An Off-Road Intake That Doesn't Suck!
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- Metal fabrication is a skill that is built upon your successes AND your failures. This video has some great fabrication and metal shaping tricks but unfortunately, the end result is something I'm not proud of. The reality is failed projects give me my biggest creative leaps forward and the second iteration of this intake will be that much better.
I think that many of you can learn from my mistakes and even though I will catch some negative comments for this, I believe this video is important!
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You say “failure” but the information you put out is a “WIN” for us all
"I bought a bunch of this special plastic called kydex for...uh..." LOL it's ok Nate, the 2a community knows what TH-cam does and we support you man!
Poor Nate is gonna have his video demonetized because of one word.
For those of you interested my cousin in Alaska runs a company GS holsters and they make good quality Kydex holsters, each one test fit. They have so many options you can basically configure a custom holster for most common handguns. Worth checking out
Only seeing TH-cam videos of people successfully upgrading things where nothing goes wrong is tiring. I'm sure we can all appreciate an honest video. In fact, it makes the channel more relatable.
"This is a complete failure" Thanks for showing that failure is part of the process.
I'd call it a prototype rather than a failure.
Agreed! That's what I'm going to start calling my winch mount bumper.
anyone else get worried as he put the aluminum sheet down on the battery post, then instant relief when you realize its the ground post. lol
I was waiting for the fireworks.
I kept flinching while watching, I guarantee Nate will get a chuckle out of this......
Multiple panic attacks! 😂
Yup.
Held my breath the whole time he was waving that sheet over the batt.
The wrinkles in the plastic are annoying, but using proper heat with a vacuum process is effective for me most of the time.
Sounds like that wasn't the biggest problem, though.
Thanks for the video, brother. In my opinion, when those of us with less talent see people with a lot of talent failing it relieves some of the anxiety of getting started, so this is great :)
Honestly I’m happy to see that I’m not the only one who fails at my grandiose ideas. It’s all part of fabrication. Doing and redoing
I love your builds and this is refreshing to see that not everything goes as planned and admitting defeat lol. I'm sure you'll get the kinks worked out.
Thanks buddy 👍
I am right there with you on how processes sometime happen. Sometimes you're so motivated and havd a clear path forward that you start down the wrong direction. Then while knee deep, you realize you could do better. Normal fab stuff
I actually appreciate the fact that you show the failures because anyone that has made anything from scratch knows you end up trying many different things to get the picture in your head to work properly. Thank Nate. Keep being awesome!!!
You did darn good Nate. I don’t look at that as a failure. We fail so that we can LEARN, adapt, and overcome.
Thanks for sharing your failure along with all of your great successes! It really helps the rest of us who are not master fabricators not get discouraged when we suck sometimes
Hey man - I am super impressed by not only your skills and knowledge but that you are rolling the dice and went into youtube full time. Take big balls. Congrats.
All part of the process. Thank you Nate for showing us how anyone can make mistakes and still move the project forward.
Not a failure, you successfully revealed the less than optimal solution, which you didn't know at the start. So valuable watching you work through these things. Thanks as always!
Social media is filled with people only showing the highlights. It takes a guts to show ones failures. Keep up the great work, and stay real my friend.
Love your wins as much as your fails, it shows how real you are and that what I appreciate. Well done and keep making kick ass videos.
Cheers Nate.
Nothing wrong with learning curve. Your rig you decide what's best for it.
I'm thrilled you share your knowledge and experiences with us.
Thank you for that.
I have learned a lot from watching.
I love your style Nate. You’re ingenuity is great. Even though the air box build didn’t work out, the process of building it was instructive. Thanks for posting!
It's good to be humble...thanks for all your time you put in.
Man your videos are always so packed with info I really appreciate you showing your goofs and talking about different ways to get the same goal accomplished your videos are very relatable.
Your ‘failures’ still look better and have more thought into them than most of my successes. Great video as always, and can’t wait for the snorkel!
Posted just in time for me to enjoy during my lunch break at work! Thanks for the informative entertainment. Keep it up
Great video Nate, it's great to see you are a normal guy. A lot of times I feel I learn more from my failures than my successes. I really enjoy your videos, thank you for making them.
I love the usage of CAD (cardboard aided design)
It’s not bad to show the “failures”. It shows the viewers that the you tuber is a human and it happens. Most of us couldn’t even dream up the design of that nor know how to use the tools. It’s a valuable lesson that you taught that the mess ups happen and the expectation wasn’t up to you liking. I appreciate the fact that you still posted the video for sure. Keep up the good work
We only fail if we don’t get back up. Great video. Thank you for getting the ideas flowing. 🤙
You need to have an oiled foam filter for dusty conditions like on a dirtbike. It would be cool to build a air box using a filter and cage that mounts just like a dirtbike for quick changes. You'd have lots of options for filters and pre filters and keep a spare or two to swap out real quick. Something that has the wing nut go through the middle of the filter.
It's always educational, and entertaining watching you create something.
Saddened by your failure bud. But appreciate you putting out the content. I never thought of using kydex as a panel replacement. Love your stuff bro keep up the good work
I was thinking snorkel from the get-go, but was curious where you were going to go with this. My wife hates the snorkel on my ZJ, but it's not hers. She does drive it fairly often, though, and got into a conversation in the pharmacy drive-thru about it the other day. I almost like it more because she thinks it's dumb. LOL! I also have to agree that the K&N, or any oiled element filter, is not a good choice for a dusty climate. The oil will cause the filter to cake up vs a dry filter. I also want to say that I love your channel. You show enough work, get into the whys without going too deep, and manage to keep it all in a pretty concise package. Keep it up and thanks for sharing your fail with us!
You fail only if you quit. From what I have seen you are not a quitter. Great video Nate.
Takes some courage to post a failure like this. Thanks for being a real one! Love the channel
3.5" or 4" stainless snorkel would be the way to go. Nearly everyone here in Australia run snorkels
I'm definitely wanting to see how to make a custom snorkel. No one makes one for my truck. I have ideas on how to make one but want to see Nate's take on it before I do it.
@@theezeelife292 what do you have??
@@thomaswaters4253 2002 Ford F-150. The red-headed step-child of the F-150s.
Agree.. It's the way to go in dusty environment.. I never not have one on 4Bs.. Toyota landcruiser 80 series
And add a cyclone separator on top of the snorkel to get rid of the heavier dirt before it gets to the filter. The exact setup you see on construction equipment here.
Is good to see the trials and successes as it helps us know what to look for and what to avoid. And maybe how we could do it better. Also looking forward to the snorkel build. Keep it up.
Your original problem was the K&N filter and not carrying a spare paper filter on your trip. The OE filter box is fine and works well for dusty trails.
My suggestion - Stick with the standard filter box, add a snorkel with Donaldson pre-filter on top for particularly dusty trails, Group 31 110 Ah battery fitted in standard battery tray and compressor in the rear (plenty of room in your side bins). The rear side bins will also take another Group 31 battery if you need lots of auxiliary energy storage.
Awesome fabrication skills and some great pointers on some new tools to consider. Your honesty is your greatest asset.
You will kill it next time pickles. Major youtube kudos for posting what would be most of our Saturday project failures for months. If I had a nickel for everytime I spent days reinventing the wheel only to look at my square clunker hobbling down the road. Well. I'd have myself a few. And I did.
Hey Nate love the build and have a good idea for the intake if you care to hear me out. I’d recommend adjusting the locations of the battery/compressor on the drivers side and run the feed of the intake box from the cowl. The cowl cover on the Disco II already has a pre-filter built into it that used to prevent the debris from entering the cabin air filter. I’d did something similar on my TJ since I’m not a fan of snorkels. Hope this helps with finding a solution and keep out for Adventure Bound Offroad at KOH next week!
Failures happen, I for one am glad you showed it.
Haven't been watching for long, but quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Thanks for the great content. Definitely keep the failures and mess-ups. Makes for a good, authentic video and really makes me feel a lot better about my own stories.
I think it’s great that you show us your failures that ultimately lead to your success!
Absolutely loved this episode!!!
Been thinking of building my own custom intake for my truck and you have given me some wonderful ideas!!! Sorry that yours didn’t come out as planned.... also really liked the editing in this video!! Keep up the amazing work 👍
Nate, whether you use the stock air box or fab a custom one. Use grease on the sealing surface between the filter and the box to keep the fine dist particles from going into the intake. Also, those fabric filters acually filter better when some dirt builds up on the filter material. Old dirt track racers never would wash a fabric filter element. They would knock off the heavy buildup and re-apply the appropriate filter oil if it looked a little dry. Grease the mating surface (K&N makes a specific grease for this) and hit the starting line. Hope this helps.
I spent the first half of the video wondering why no snorkel, but you answered that once you decided to change to a panel filter. Fact is you want the cleanest available air (usually from up near the roof) feeding to your airbox and then thru the filter and to the engine. That gives you a filter that lasts longer between cleans or replacements. My 76 Series Landcruiser V8 does a lot of outback travel (downunder in Aus) covering many thousands of kilometers on dirt and with a snorkel the filter service life between cleans is 10,000 to 20,000 kms.
I think you may also need to re-think the location of the second battery as you need an airbox big enough to allow the air to flow smoothly. Too many corners and snug spaces can really spoil the air flow rate.
Great video and best of luck on the rest of the build.
And as we say in Aus "keep it right side up!!"
Thanks for sharing a failure! We learn as much from the bad as from the good. Looking forward to seeing the solutions.
Maybe the intake was a fail, but the channel is “Dope”!
Nate you really are human.... Great video. Looking forward to seeing you on the next attempt and doing the snorkel. At some point on my build I have to build a box and snorkel as well so I am looking for ideas.
Oil bath before the air filter works here in the new Mexico gas patch
If you don't like the snorkel you can look at one of those tornados. The Army uses them on the HUMMER. Air comes in and swirls around in a circle. Dust is thrown to the edges and the air induction pulls from the middle. Low profile and easy to clean.
Dude. You got to what I was thinking in the end, almost. I was saying to the other half, "Why does he not just fit a safari snorkel & get rid of the k&n & keep a handful of spare paper filters on a a trip & change them as he needs to ?" But i get how you love building your own stuff, and not just buying off the shelf, plus you get some really good fabrication content for the chanel. So keep up the good work & I'm looking forward to seeing that beefy disco out on some trails in the future.
Thanks for showing what doesn’t work so we can learn along with you!
segmented 90 was the word I was trying to think of when you were bending with that Harbor Freight bender. It has a different radius but it's still a 90 if that makes any sense. It's used a lot in industrial processing plants. I've never used one, but you done a great job of doing it!
Really looking forward to the snorkel build. A few years ago I sort of accidentally ended up on a sand beach between two rivers, came out of that situation with water splashing up to the windscreen and a wet airbox, ever since then my Disco 2 has been telling me it needs a snorkel.
To be fair, (and I'm not the first to say this looking at the current top comment) my experience with K&N, it did this same thing to my intake and it was not clogged. Not that it wasn't a real issue for you, but much of that microscopic dust was just what was allowed to pass through the filter. I threw my K&N away. Junk. Also, FWIW, I regularly serviced the filter with a K&N recharge kit. Junk.
Having said that, I appreciate the process. Not everyone shows the failures and the hours spent on a project that just doesn't end up working out. Great content!
You are extremely good at getting creative with your fabrication. This is just one instance where creativity got ahead of practicality. I wondered why you didn't decide on a panel filter as soon as you pointed out the fitment problem with the cone filter. You could probably build a good box with a panel filter and still keep the second battery under the hood.
I think it’s pretty bad ass that you shared your “failure” with all of TH-cam, that says a lot about who you are as a person.
Great video, it's nice to see real life stuff that doesn't quite work out the way you want, we all go through it which makes videos like this so relatable..............BTW I've had ideas for kydex bouncing around in my brain for awhile too and I still think I'll find good applications for it.
Failing at something simply makes you more wise. Awesome fabrication skills man... just found your channel and really enjoying it. I currently have a nice project going on, currently swapping my 2k chevy k2500 IFS out to a solid front dana 60 and it has the factory 14 bolt rear with a locker, powered by a 7.4 and 4l80...not getting too crazy because it's still my daily driver (for now)
Nate after this massive failure you’ve lowered yourself in my eyes you are no longer a fabrication God. Just extremely talented human doing wonderful work Keep it up I enjoyed the video. 😎👍
Trial and error. Build your own snorkel. 5” stainless. Plenty of great examples on Australian winch challenge vehicles.
That’s what happens with fabrication, as an aircraft sheet tech I know it usually takes 2/3 times fabricating something to be perfect. Keep up the great work.
Glad to see both sides of fabrication. Success and failer
Haha failure
No worries Nate! It was a pleasure as always.
Excellent 'fail' Nate. I love seeing he process, we all have days or weeks like this. But it's going to sound great!
I’ve tried this myself on these and came up with the same outcome, nice to see I’m not the only one 😂. Super work as always.
Bummer I was looking forward to seeing how you were going to set up that pump I have the exact same one and was looking for a place to put it on my Disco. Always enjoy your videos, and looking forward to the next upload.
You didn't fail brother. As with Edison's light bulb he found a 1000 ways to not make one. So did you. We know you will get it and make it perfect. And that's why I like watching your channel, bc you dont give up till its right.But you also found new skills to develop and more ways to grow. Keep up the good work man.
Summit Off-Road offers a dual-piston version of the Smitty compressor with effectively twice the flow rate, so you can replace two compressors with one, and free up space on the driver's side to move the battery forward.
Good video Nate, that plastic is interesting.
Glad you decided to move the battery and go panel filter, let it breathe. Also the larger the filter and the area around the filter will slow down the air speeds and let the filter be more effective, they don't filter as well if the air moves too fast.
4 inch stainless tube snorkels are real popular down here (Aus) google them a bit (for Patrols etc) you might like them, plus you can put a proper ram head from truck parts suppliers on them. Bigger is better with the snorkel too, it will keep the air speeds down.
Love your work bro👍
Thanks for the video again sir and again that's top shelf work you've done. Had to smile when you pulled out the kydex.. even old Canuck off road guys like me know about kydex. :) Kudos on the PPE too by the way. Thanks again and stay well.
You tried it and didn't like it. That's not failure. You just knew when to cut your losses. Thanks for the video.
That was a good show, stuff happens...
I liked how you mentioned and had an example of the fine dust that exists in the South west and the fact that those washable cotton gauze filters are great and they have excellent airflow but they don't catch the dust that coats EVERYTHING when you go to places like Moab or the likes.
Heck i've had drop in K&N in my 08 6.7 from day one of owning it but i have a factory pleated paper filter on hand if i go somewhere thats dusty, same thing for my Jeep.
I'm in Northern IL btw, no dust😊👍
Great video man, thanks for sharing...love the process even if you think it was a “failure”.
You could also build a hood based low profile stack intake scoop for fresh air with gasketing that allows you to open and close the hood
From a mechanic standpoint my only advice on this is to have an easily removable filter and get in the habit of blowing it out daily when in very dusty terrain. Your factory type filter actually does an amazing job for this when it has the correct filter for the environment but most filter media doesn’t catch that super fine dust. Pre filtering a cartridge type intake is a wonderful concept and works wonders when in those super dusty areas. No matter how you look at it, building a viable intake suitable for all environments is a challenge.
I don’t see it as failure Nate, all the greatest inventions, fabrications had some hiccups keep at it you will get it done 🤙
Good video. Working through issues sometimes leads to different decisions. End of the day, you’ll get it figured out and most likely will be better than you originally anticipated. Nothing is easy….
Snorkels are the only way to go. Here in OZ every 4x4 has one. You can get cleaner air into the system at roof level and you can put a precleaner sock over the head of the snorkel. Clean or swap socks at the end of each day and the main filter remains clean. The other advantage of snorkels and seal air boxes are deep water crossings are no longer a problem.
I think you're on the right path and now you're deviating to something that is good. May I suggest you research how to make a rigid foam mold that you can then lay up with fiberglass or advanced composite. This message will do what you want. Once you learn how to do it you can do it rather quickly.
Snorkel with a pre-filter over the intake. Search for Snorkel sock. When going through bulldust in the Australian out back they will stop the main filter clogging up.
Over at 4WD 24/7, the aussies, they tap out their filters every morning before they head out from the dust they get
Thank you for being humble enough to publish your fails. I consider these learning opportunities, whether my own or other peoples, so thanks for continuing to teach and inspire. BTW, seeing your “whoops” just helps us mere mortals feel a bit more normal.
Hey don't know if you know this tip, but when bending and forming Aluminum, it work hardens. You need to anneal it in between and it's super easy if you have an acetylene torch. Bassically turn the oxygen off get a nice dirty flame and coat your piece in soot, then get the torch hot and evenly heat it until the soot burns off which is right around 800° which is just the right temperature to soften up the aluminum.
Snorkels are great for keeping dust away from the engine, if not, ask the Aussies, they have been using them for ages. BTW, that funky filter cover, I've learned back in 1992 that you can make those with a panyhose, courtesy of a volcano in Alaska. My Land Cruiser ran with one until I sold it in 2000.
Can't win, if you're not willing to fail. Well done Nate!
Do you follow Martin built at all? He relocated a battery in a wj under the rear seat in a custom box that he cut out in the floorboard. Pretty cool idea. Not sure what that looks like in a disco.
Oh man that’s a bummer. Was thinking you might have an aluminum piece across the back and the kydex would pop up out of the center with the two pieces being put together with SS pop rivets. Looking forward to seeing how the snorkel is incorporated to not look goofy. Keep putting out great content as you consistently do!
Great videos Nate.
When you build your Custom Snorkel why not go from intake to snorkel to the
Cone filter outside on top with The Filter Wears Pre Filter. I've been doing my intakes this way for years.
My 89 Burb, 86 Samurai, now my 96 Cherokee. And talk about cold air intake.
Lived in all climates rain and snow from SoCal to The Eastern Sierra at 8000+ now I'm McCall, Idaho.
I'll send pics if you like.
Brian
Again Great Channel!!
SLP flow rite air intake filters. they are round grommets in various sizes with the pre filter built in. Just hole saw and install
thank you for great detail video
look build airbox that fixes up of the roof of 4x4 that high get fresh air intake
yes watching detail video as show the best way to get over the problem so not failed project
If you are gonna move the battery,
I honestly would advise doing LIPO battery in the rear.
So keep the lead acids for cranking and winching, then a nice big 150ah lipoe battery, they lighter and can buy the cells separately and fit them somewhere in the rear.
I have really been wanting to make an upgraded airbox for my Suzuki Jimny, actually what got me starting to watch your channel, so super keen to see what you come up with.
I would also look into using a donaldson style air filter.
Ya know.. I kinda love that you shared the failure. Happens a lot. I'm glad it's happening to you too... Well.. not glad exactly... Relieved? ;) Nice work!
Honestly, my best ideas come after I try to fab a really bad idea.
Been there, done that!
Great fabrication work. Pity it didn’t work out but it was still fun to watch the process. Maybe a 4 inch stainless snorkel?
+1 for a snorkel. I installed one in my ZJ and I love the look.
Loved the failure Nate, it's a great lesson for us to learn with you, thanks for putting yourself out there.
I can tell you its a helluva a lot better than my roof rack that I tried building yesterday.
Use a cyclone type prefilter on top of the snorkel when u travel to dusty areas. Keep up the good work!
There's a saying that any plan that works today is better than waiting for the perfect plan tomorrow. (I.e. The kind of tomorrow that never comes) I think there is a flip side to this: Learning lessons from a failed plan today leads towards a perfect plan tomorrow. (The tomorrow that comes from perseverance and knowledge learned from previous failed attempts and honest analysis). If nothing else, you got to practice the skills of metalworking and fabrication so they are up to snuff for the next attempt. Being able to mentally wing it from general concept to fine finishing details is great when it works, but sometimes a defined, detailed plan before touching a tool can save a lot of time and expense. Just keep it flexible enough to keep ahead of the gremlins that inevitably show up. Looking forward to seeing Intake fab v2.0!
How strange as I’ve just finished an air intake box which I would also consider a failure. Only because it didn’t turn out as clean and sharp as I would expect it to be. So seeing you building an air intake box was kinda nice and as someone else said “wot failure” only time spent on a project that doesn’t go anywhere but that’s called experience.