A little tip for 11B wannabes: quite a few people did national guard component as 11B and they basically get the sweetest deal because they live their life as usual but still go thru the training and field exercises and some of them can even volunteer for deployments if they’re lucky. That basically means you are a part time infantryman and have an option to be a full time infantryman when a deployment with another unit comes up. Something worth considering I think.
Same thing for 11B as well. The only time we could do our job was in the field, so we are pretty much glorified janitors with the amount of sweeping and mopping we do on a daily basis, especially in the middle of the desert because of all the sand that gets blown around
My dad was a psychologist for the VA. The majority of his patients were Vietnam Vets. He said the absolute worst cases of PTSD he dealt with was those in graves registration. He said those patients were unreachable and untreatable.
That's because 100% of those troops were draftees who were forced to do it in country. That situation hasn't existed for decades and has nothing to do with the modern job at all.
@@cplassen2138 I disagree with you, my scoutmaster over in Japan was career Military with family. He was sent to DaNang AB in February 1968 and stayed there until February 1969, he worked Graves Registration, he left Japan as kind of like Bob Hope and when he returned he was a dark shadow of himself.
CP Lassen, not all os us who went to RVN were draftees. About 1/3 of us were. I was. Unless you were around for the Vietnam War and the draft, it’s hard to imagine. I was there for the later part of the war. Men end up damaged and bitter for life. And if people remember, Congress, the Presidency, and politics insured that we did not go to war to win. the injustice of selective service, et cetera along with getting blamed for the loss of the Vietnam War. I personally believe that everyone physically and mentally capable should go in involuntarily to perform military and non military jobs.
92S could go into laundry services at large companies. As in hospitals, schools, and also commercial cleaning services such as Cinstas. A uniform is a uniform. They don’t always have to be camo.
I just don’t see how anyone could walk into a recruiters office and want to be a 92s, at least go 18x, you’re an 11b and get the opportunity to go to selection and you’re automatically Airborne!
Those friggen CoC ceremonies were the worst. Standing at attention for 2 hours in 93 degree heat waiting for some flag officer who doesn't give a shit about you.....and don't lock your knees 🤪
Connex layouts are the worst. Move things from one connex to the other, just to move it all back afterwards. Ive done that plenty of times. And then layouts where you are told to get it done as soon as possible, just for the XO or commander to not show up and have to repack it all back up, just to do the same thing the next day. Ft Bliss was notorious for that. Motor pool Mondays were horrible as well. Least favorite thing to ever have to do, especially if you are part of the vic crew. Until the Vic’s are locked up, you have to sit with them. Not to bad in the winter time when the temp was only in the 60’s or lower, but middle of the summer when it’s 100° out, it was horrible. At least the guys not on a vic crew could go inside the cof to the air conditioning and clean weapons or teach classes.
As a 19D veteran, I am grateful and thankful for all of these MOS'es that were listed as the worst, as they are the ones who kept me fed, clothed, supported... while I took the risks locating or harassing the enemy.
To quote the Starship Troopers recruiter, "Infantry made me the man I am today." Infantry creates leaders and if you stick around long enough, you will have increasing amounts of responsibility with Soldiers looking to you as an example and for leadership. You will have plenty of stories to tell and if needed actually do what you train for which may or may not sit well with your mental state. I had a great deal of adventure in the infantry, but you must keep in mind the toll it takes on the body. After 20 years of service my ankles, knees, and hip sockets are messed up, my back is messed up (from carrying heavy loads day in and day out), the arches of my feet caved in, shoulder impingements and a destroyed wrist from all the pushups (your wrist cartilage will shred over the years dependent on how you place your hands relative to your body). When you are built like a body builder, you find yourself carrying the heavier weapons increasing the toll the body takes compared to the everyone else. If you decide to go Infantry learn everything you can to help preserve your joints. You will have plenty of adventure even if you don't go see combat. I remember my dad saying at my retirement ceremony, "you have double, if not more overseas stripes than everyone else in the ceremony." That was a result of the combat deployments, but for training and temporary duty, you will go to some places you least expect. I ended up seeing Europe, visiting Australia, going all over Southeast Asia, Papua New Guinea (22 days in the jungle living on a stilted wooden hut, no plumbing so no running water). If the outdoors isn't for you this is definitely not the MOS for you. Now if the outdoors is for you, you will sleep under the stars in some very interesting places, you may climb mountains all over the world, hunt animals and fish with installations that cater to Soldiers getting ample opportunity to do so... what an adventure!
I am a female and wanted a job as close to combat that females were allowed back then ('95). So, I chose 16T, PATRIOT Missile Crewperson, ADA. I think it has a different designation now... Anyway, I was all ready to do this and at the final MEPS thing, they were recruiting for other MOS'. They tried to get me to switch to another MOS, specifically some kind of office clerk type MOS (don't remember what the number was now). They even made me watch a recruiting video about it: picture cool music accompanied by images of.... people sitting at desks and filling out paperwork...lol I literally almost cried! No! I want an adventure!!!! lol Luckily, I was guaranteed my 16T job, and that's what I did. But I'll never forget that.
I was a 14/ 16S from 94 to 97. Loved it. The second time I went in as a 54B. Liked it, but really missed the ADA, for sure. Glad you stuck to your guns. 🙏💛☯️🌞🇺🇲💪
Laundry Specialist does six, gets a business degree and walks into a 6 figure hotel management. Inglorious, sure; Financially sound, assuredly. Not my MOS, just saying
I had a guy ship out to basic with me who was a 92m so he could get his morticians license. His family had several funeral homes in New Jersey and it’s somewhat expensive and takes a long time. He told me it’s stream lined and a lot quicker in the military.
Interesting twist on portability of skill training. I was the assistant theater Mortuary Affairs Officer during OIF based in Kuwait (supporting from Djibouti in East Africa to the Afghanistan - Pakistan border) and this is where I became aware of the true reason to avoid this MOS - 92M as it becomes obvious in deployed remains recovery missions. We had teams that had to do recoveries of remains that had been found floating in water after several days (I will not describe condition of remains, your imagination is probably bad enough.) or from an aircraft crash where small pieces of the remains are spread over hundreds of meters and you do a grid search like at an archeological dig to ensure no parts are missed. This was the same scenario as when the World Trade Center was destroyed. Digging through the rubble to find all the pieces. Then each bagged part is individually logged then each piece undergoes DNA testing to match the pieces to the person then combined in one container, the container is then with great care sealed then wrapped and safety pinned neatly in a new wool Army blanket, this very small generally package is then placed in a coffin behind a perfectly set up with all rank, branch symbols, unit patches, awards, and badges shown as earned on their 201 file on an empty perfectly by the regulation dress green uniform before the coffin is released from Dover MA Center for transport to the funeral home near military members HoR is for the funeral. Seeing this display in progress at the Dover MA Center was an experience I will never forget from the unit stopping at Dover Air Base headed to Kuwait. The recovery duties of this MOS will psychologically break most people and leave no one unchanged. The personnel who don't deploy only working morgue duty are lucky ones also this is why rank is easy to make in this MOS as there is a very high turn over. If you pray, please pray for these as they go through Hell on Earth at times. Major US Army Retired
@@flavorchemist I was in when we were still training to fight the USSR in Europe. So there wasn’t much of that that the 92mikes had to deal with. I became a Police Officer in NJ and volunteered to go over to the Fresh Kills landfill and sift through the debris that was trucked over from ground zero. Not a nice thing. But when you found a tooth or hair you felt that you were helping the families of those killed.
Thank you, you are a true hero. The Dover visit was the most life changing event for me. I was on my way to Kuwait with the Theater Support Command from NOLA as the Deputy Theater Mortuary Affairs Officer. I only saw undescribable pictures and ensured the Service Member's safe and honored transportation back home. The teams had the real trial on the ground from Djibouti to the Afghanistan - Pakistan boarder. I listened to them as they needed release and their talking seemed to help them a tiny bit. They had seen some of true horrors of War. Thank you again as the World Trade Center was much like combat in its destruction, loss, and misery caused. Michael Fields Major US Army Retired @@mbendero
I was 92G for 7 years !!! This is all true about long hours and weekends. But I did a lot of connelly cooking competitions and got many awards and promoted faster than most of my peers.
Dude I was also a 92G,also did 7 yrs !!! LOL. Didn't do any cooking competitions tho,but got promoted to sgt in my first 4 months in the army.Came in as an E-4,prior service navy. GO ARMY !!! LOL.
As soon as you said in the beginning that the last one was going to be controversial, I knew you were gonna say 11B. And as a non-deployed 11B I felt like this was very accurate
It’s a tale of 2 sides. Met multiple 11B’s that have 5+ deployments, and met some E6’s with 0 deployments who have had privates who deployed. It’s crazy. Just depends on which duty station you go to. For the ones who go to Ft Lewis, unless you are part of ranger bat or group, you are never going to get to deploy.
I am thankful I took my dad's advice before I entered the US Army. He told me, Son, Study for the entrance examination. I did and scored pretty high. He was in the Infantry for 4 yrs and hated it. Why is this important? Because you get a chance to choose from multiple MOS; s. if you score high on the test. Recruiters will offer bonuses for some hard to fill jobs. But I got what I wanted.... Military Intelligence. I stayed in for 6 yrs. Got to see Europe and the Far East. So, my advice is to study for the entrance exam unless you really want to go 11 bang-bang, explosives, tanks or combat. Trust me, you will be glad you did.
I did 6 years in the AF as a 98G equivalent (Russian Linguist). I got hit by a reduction in forces in 87 and bounced around as a full time civilian for a bit over a year. I then found an Intel slot in an Army Reserve unit. I ended up doing just short of 20 years in the Army, some of it Reserves, some Active, and finally retiring from the Guard. I went for a Commission and retired as an O-3. I would have to say the best job I had in all of my years was that of a Platoon Leader. I spent my entire career in the Intel Community. These days I work for Home Depot and use my Russian speaking skills on a nearly daily basis. Over 40 years since I finished that course and I still have the skills I learned as a young E-3.
Infantry… well for starters it’s a family. The bonds that you form serving in the infantry are stronger than any family or fraternity. I did 6 years and nine month as 11bravo and to this day I remember every single leader I had, all of my bro’s and all of my Joe’s. I remember every single dude from basic and my battle buddy from basic is one of my best friends.
Originally, the military for me was my "if all else fails" plan. Seeing those war movies made me want to do some high-speed action shit as an infantryman or CE. However, it took the Internet and talking to vets to bring me into reality.
As I used to tell my applicants at MEPS, don't worry about the military if you're going to make a shit load of money, if you're already there, or close to it, keep doing what you're doing, but if you're working at Wal-Mart or some other krappy job, enlist. I didn't have to worry about rent, I didn't have to worry about utilities, I knew what I was going to wear each day, I knew I had a guaranteed job, I knew where I had to be, it was the NCO's that made it bad, that's why I got out, and regret it to this day, I'm going to regret it for the rest of my life, I should have never left, but if you're going to do it, pick a job that transfers to the civilian world, you can be S6, or you can pick a craft, depending on your ASVAB, you can get pretty much anything, but you know, when you apply for a office building high rise type job, they're not going to care you were Infantry.
I was a 92G and I loved it, other than the DFAC there’s more to it that nobody understands. I was on my base’s culinary arts team and got to travel around, when my time came to re-enlist I decided to reclass for more days off. Switched to maintenance and everybody bashed me for it saying it was a bad idea and that mechanics work too much, I get way more time off that I reclassed
@@TranceCore3 My drill sargent at Fort Lee, recently, was a 92G and he was a great guy! P.S. My MOS was 88N though. But Fort Lee was teeming with 92Gs.
@@TranceCore3 Golfs are great! Up at 3:00 prepping our meals, and then serving it to us with a smile. They were passionate about us having good chow. No complaints. Unsung Heroes. I did 23 years as 31M and 88N. If I were hiring for a civilian job... gimme me a "Golf!"
I wouldn't remove any you have I think it's a good list, I would just add 31B for the same reasons as 92G as far as schedules., and you're hated by most.
92S is actually good if you want to learn how to make clothing and be a personal tailor, fashion designer, hotel manager, cosplayer, and a whole bunch of cool artsy civilian jobs. I want the 11B for the experience, but honestly, 92S sounds so much up my alley that I'll have to try it sometime.
As a former 11B, I went on 1 deployment. If you are an 11B, never got to Ft Lewis. The area is beautiful, you will spend more time in the field then you will in garrison. But my other 2 duty stations, I loved everything about it. Ft Bliss was great and I loved Ft Campbell. But as an 11b, your body will break down from all the weight you will carry, plus all the rucks and running you do on a daily basis. I would know because I’m not medically retired because of my legs and back. But I’d do it all over again. Gave me a lot of experience in a leadership role and the brotherhood you join since you spend more time with the other soldiers then you do at home with your family if you are married.
100% about the cooks and their crazy schedules. Back in the day, we used to go to the DFAC to help our friend finish his Friday night shift, just so we could all go to the club 😎🎶
I was a 92S on my first contract. The cooks and grunts made sure we were taken care of. So much food, snacks, and beer was delivered daily. It was crazy that something so simple as a hot shower and clean clothes made people grateful. It can transition into the hospitality field such as hotel management, and I know a fellow soldier who is a professional tailor and can do some crisp work on suits. I'm an 88M now, and I know that's where I fit in best. Being a 92S gave me the driving skills needed to move the LADS and flatbeds of equipment all over the place. At least this was my experience.
I was a 45T. A mechanic in Bradley's. I was assigned in the end to drive a M88. I worked on all kinds of vehicles. I didn't do what I signed up for bur loved what I did!
I was a 56M (Chaplain Assistant). The pros are that you really only report to your battalion Chaplain (and brigade), you don't USUALLY get dragged into menial tasks like setting up for ceremonies and since most people don't know what you actually do, it is easy to pretend like you are busy. The cons include- it is a lonely job as there is only one 56M per battalion so it can get pretty isolating. You do have to work some Sundays pulling chapel duty so be aware of that. You don't develop that automatic camraderie with other guys your same rank like in Infantry, Artillery, Cav Scouts etc. If you are deployed it is your job to set up the memorial service for a soldier KIA and they are really emotional and devastating so be warned of that aspect. Ideally, if you are a 56M, the best assignment is to work directly for the Garrison (Chapel) instead of being attached to a regular combat unit which I was.
I was a Chaplain Assistant (71M) 1985-88, it seemed like I was the Chain of Commands answer to THE DUTY ROSTER (usually DUTY DRIVER) And got an excellent vehicle taken away because it was too much for me to maintain and was given a piece of junk Jeep! Two terrible Chaplains I served directly with, the third was a true man of God. I went back to the MP's (I was prior Service! Promoted to E-5 within six months!)
I was in a Quartermaster unit at in the 90's, which had Mortuary Affairs, Cooks and Laundry - Bath and Sewing (3 different MOS's back then). Other than running a clothing sewing repair shop, that MOS platoon was mostly in the motor pool or doing details until it was time to go to the field or deploy. The Mortuary Affairs MOS sometimes worked at the base Hospital morgue or trained at a local civilian hospital morgue. If they were not at those places, they were at the motor pool also. When deployed, they were assigned to or near hospital, MASH units, same as Mortuary Affairs. There, they worked 12 hour shifts. One thing I noticed was they got promoted to sergeant really, really, really fast. their cut scores for sergeant and staff sergeant dropped the lowest. This was back in 1993, 1994 for Mortuary, Laundry - Bath, and Sewing. Believe this, one of the Mortuary Affairs Specialist was Ranger Qualified. He trained and qualified to serve in a Long Range Surveillance Detachment with was all airborne and many Ranger Qualified personnel.
@@sithninjacowboyranger9803 As I said earlier, they worked at the morgue at the base hospital or even worked at a nearby local civilian hospital. Other than that, they worked in the motor pool doing whatever the commander wanted them to do.
@@torlekjpec5708 92M what have been the job that I had chosen but I had a recruiter who pushed me on being a construction engineer and it turned out to be a combat engineer. I really hated that MOS. 😤
I’m 11b I join in 2019 & I’m in the 82nd deployed, in 2020 got a CIB seen combat got buddies at fort drum deployed to Afghanistan in 2020 got CIB seen combat it happens but rare like you said. If you wanna do high speed shit go to SF & or to rasp. I hate when people complain about not doing there job being a 11B to fight people on both sides people die & nothing can compare you to see you’re Buddy right next to you die. PS love the videos you got me right for my bored means a lot
Yeah that's the very nature of War.. people die... if you don't like that reality or you don't think you could do it, Don't volunteer.. obviously it still gonna suck and losing people is horrible as you mentioned but someone has to do the job sadly enough.
91E you hit the nail on the head with them, the same with machinist. 92S I only met them in Albania in 1999, they set everything up but it didn’t seem like they did the mos much.
I'm currently an 11B been deployed a few times and I agree 100 percent. but more so for what happens after you been serving as a light infantryman for awhile. really bad knee and back problems.
My dad was WW2 infantry. He said don't do that, haha. I was 51B20 in the Corps of Engineers. Never worked as hard in civilian life. Many times we worked 7 days a week 18 hr days in Korea thru mud, rain and even -20F winter on DMZ. Not sure it would have been worse in Vietnam in the Infantry. Came back alive, so...
When I was a 92M we spent most days in the motorpool. Unless we were going to the field or tasked out to the morgue in Richmond. Plan on being at Ft. Lee, VA as a 92M. At least at the start of your career. Also, there aren't a lot of 92M's in the Army, so there aren't a lot of promotions. I sat at E4 promotable for over a year because no one above was retiring... Deployments last around 6 months and you deploy every 1 1/2 years. I loved my job though! Especially when I actually got to do it and not be a grease monkey instead...
Nice objective points you put across for the 11B Infantry MOS, as most boys that have a dream of wanting to join the army have always wanted to be there even if it’s doesn’t translate to any specific career field outside the military but you too know that they’re there most respected MOS and the guys that get promoted the fastest and stand the chance of rising up to become the chief of the army compared to other MOS’, even on the Officer side. I guess the clarity people need to have right now in 2022 is that joining the military is now part of planning their future career and they should think about if they just FULLY want enjoyment in their MOS’ of if they want one that can easily translate to other fields when they exit the military.
I enlisted after high school in 96 as a 11B with a Airborne school and a Ranger option immediately after boot camp, 27 years ago and 6 days I left on the adventure of a lifetime.
Probably time to update this list. On the 11B MOS, I enlisted specifically for this, and then changed to a Signal MOS. Everybody should know how to fight and lead, so this was good initially on my first enlistment, but looking to the future, you're right, not too many job prospects leaving the Army. Also, I worked for a short time as a security guard to pay for some of my college fees, and Infantry training does not translate into a good fit for this civilian job, as shooting and killing someone is pretty much frowned on. Still, if you don't plan on making it a career, starting out 11B and then declassing to an MOS that has better civilian job prospects is always a good plan.
Yeah, get that E5 as an 11B and skip the lines for E5 in your new MOS. Even if you just get Corporal, you will outrank every Specialist you meet and always be a team leader. I got blocked for E5 in the 90s because my MOS went overstrength due to new equipment.
Do a video on the weirdest MOSs in the US Army; job roles that you wouldn't expect to see in the army like 88K or 88T or oddly specific MOSs like 740A.... yes, I had to look those up....
When I joined the army I would see these guys signed up for 74 series MOS’s: Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear (CBRN) and I thought why would anyone want that as an MOS? A few decades later I see guys that had that MOS making over 120k/year doing stuff like HAZMAT removal. Crazy money though probably pretty dangerous !
First. As an initial enlistment 11B, I ate it up with a spoon and asked for seconds. This was 1987-90. In that short amount of time 2-27 Inf. Wolfhounds, fought forest fires in Oregon, deployed to Honduras for Operation Golden Pheasant, JRTC rotation FT Chaffee, Arkansas, Team Spirit-S.Korea, and only missed out on Panama Canal security and subsequent invasion because I got pick for a green to gold scholarship. We treated our cooks like gold and one of the worst MOSs you missed was 92F fuel handler.
When I was a 1Sgt of a DS Maintenance Co. I was surprised to learn that 92G cook was rated a heavy lifting MOS. It gave me a better understanding of the MOS.
Man…i feel your pain in making this list. Every MOS is not just important…they’re absolutely vital. But i wouldn’t argue your picks or your reasons. 🍺⚡️🍺
92G is by far the worst Mos in the army Even if you like to cook just don’t do it. The dfac is the easiest part in that job When you go to the field you work straight up 18 hours a day for 3 weeks. I’ve seen a lot of soldiers in this mos getting out., chaptered out Never again
I don't think 92m should be on this list because the thing with 92m, it's not an MOS you can't just "go into" right off the bat or "accidently" find yourself in when you don't want to be there. There is A LOT of vetting involved in those wanting to be a 92M, so if you don't have the stomach for that kind of job, the vetting process will catch you long before you're able to become a fully trained and fully active 92m. Basically, the only way you can become a 92m is if you are very dedicated to becoming a 92m, the Army strait up doesn't want people that doesn't want to be there doing what is one of the most important jobs in the Army; they want 100% dedication to that job, because it's one of those jobs where there is zero room for mistakes. The one this should be replaced by is 13F (Fire Support Specialist), one of the least popular MOSs in the Army and one of the most common MOSs to get recycled into if you flunk out of AIT as well as the MOS that consistently has the lowest point requirements for promotion to Sergeant and Staff Sergeant which shows you just how unpopular this MOS is.
I was a navy trud chaser, aka shipfitter and a fresh air snipe. We burned a lot of welding rods. The auxiliary enginemen took care of ac relegation pumps etc. He is absolutely right about the stew burners, in addition the three meals, they had to serve midrats to crewman going on the midwatch. The rating that is at the bottomod the totem pole are the deck apes, ie boswain mates. They swab decks, chip paint and scrape rust, handle lines and stand look out watches in every kind of weather immigable.
In SoCal as a EW there were days when I volunteered to help the deck apes run the needle guns. Better outside than inside the compartment. A little bit like being inside a metal drum while somebody is outside hammering on it. You can get away with that on a frigate or destroyer. I also got to pull shore power and line handling. My mate for that was BM2 Hungry. Together we weighed around 525 lbs. All the meat needed for that. Some of the hatches were a bit snug.
when i was a 94b 80's "spoon"! i had 11 bravos tell me they would never want my job!! we did our jobs the best as we could!!! the holidays were "all day every day"!! and the field in alaska was no joke!!!! and if u dont like the mess hall u can always go "downtown" for chow!!!!!!
From an 11C, AMEN! Respect, but you can have it, brother. Great chow 90% of the time. Even had 🦞 shoved out of a chopper in mermites...LOL. No holiday, just lobster from the Chow God.
Okay I'm an old soldier so I only know the old MOS codes. A Laundry and Bath Specialist was a 57E and Fabric Repair a 43M. The Grave Registration Specialist a 57F. All received their AIT at Ft. Lee Va and they all worked together. I know this because they were in my company 26S&S Co 142Bn Pioneer Kaserne in Hanau Germany 1983-84. One occasion our company did a mass burial exercise and the local population found out then all hell broke loose. Just a small historical note these guys did mortuary affairs in Vietnam.
As an 11B with 7 years TIS, I was extremely fortunate to catch one of the last Afghanistan deployments. I love the infantry and I’m not going to reclass, but if you’re joining right now expecting to go to war you need to adjust your sight picture a bit and might want to look at other options that could be more beneficial to you in the long run. Great video Chris.
I enjoyed being an 11B/M during the Cold War...but only one term. I was "fortunate" to get hurt and be allowed to reup for MOS 29V. What a great MOS that turned out to be. Had jobs from electronic maintenance at Division level to site chief of a strategic comms site to being a G6 and J6 SGM...even got to be a Joint Unit SEL before I retired. Any MOS can be pretty good if you take it as seriously as necessary, but not so seriously that it becomes what you are. I think all combat support MOS personnel should have to serve at least one hitch in combat arms first so that they know WHY their support jobs exist.
Yeah I always felt bad for the chow hall folks. During Boot my squad had chow detail on Christmas and New Years. Both times the same people were working the kitchens.
I was Commo from 93-2000. Its a great M.O.S. 31U/25U. The good thing about my mos was that I could go nearly anywhere. The bad thing about my mos was that I could go nearly anywhere. Meaning you could end up in any kind of unit. Ive been in Logistics/Support, Airborne Infantry, and Aviation units. Going from an Infantry Bn. to Aviation Bn. was culture shock. I even did about 3 months in Armored Cavalry by mistake.
There were sunshine and rainbows??? Well, at Graf we were rained on, with dust in our faces. It was not until I was in a HHC company that I learned to appreciate the hard work that cook's do. Thanks to 40th Armor cooks, Berlin Brigade 79-81. Winners of the Connally cup.
I was a 44B1P. Metal Worker/Paratrooper. I always had work to do, and when I did not have any work I was perfecting my welding techniques. We always had a mix of Combat training and MOS work. 👍
LOL. Chris nailed it with these MOS choses. 13B artilleryman 19K tanker and 21B Combat Engineer also falls into the 11B suck factor or even 19D Cavalry Scout. I was a 11B for a few years and airborne qualified and no way was I doing this MOS for 20 years. It gets old real fast always having to patrol and or doing presence or forced patrols for miles no matter the weather conditions. Not a lot of sleep in the field and the field is where 11B do their job. I got a million stories as to why 11B may be cool for a couple of years but after that its time to change MOS. As far as those other MOS Chris named in this video. the only good thing I ever seen with those suck MOSs, is almost all of those MOSs were promoted to E7 and above, faster than most other MOSs except for some Combat arms and Special Operations or MI MOSs. Reason being is that their are a lot less competition when your records go before the board for promotion and they have slots to fill. remember, most of the cool MOSs get filled and they become over strength so cutoff scores stay higher and promotions get slower
@@Nimreitz I was enlisted with my local Army National Guard Field Artillery Unit - 1982-88. 13 Bravo. We had 105mm towed howitzers. I honestly loved being artillery.
I was an 11b during Vietnam 1971. We spent 2 - 3 weeks in the field then 3 days at a fire base in the guard bunkers around the base. We moved every day rain or shine. During monsoon season we were always wet. We had a poncho and a liner as our bedding. When it rained the poncho was on top and the liner under that. There is a reason we were called grunts. If you can live thru fire fights land mines and weather you can live thru anything. To this day it was the most draining thing I’ve ever done. Nothing else comes close. The good thing is I can deal with most anything now because I know what it’s like to be a grunt.
I was an 11B in my first contract and did 3 years stationed in Ft Irwin (yes, OPFOR), I decided to reclass on my second contract to a 15Y (Apache Armt/Avionics/Electrical Maintainer). On my third contract still a 15Y, I would switch back to an 11B if there was deployments.
@@javiuno2610 that's interesting considering we had exactly zero 11B when I was in E troop a hundred years ago... what was the reason for sending 11Bs to a cav troop.
Dad was in WWII, did Graves detail when he got out his hands shook he was 21. A WWI vet told him take 6 months off and be a tourist. He did and never had PTSD he said that older guys advice saved him . Military wanted to give him 💯 percent disability. The shaking came back in his 70s. Familial trimmers it was called.
As a mech. in the motorpool, i personally concentrated on their equip. Mondays are PMCS, I completely took over their duties, i felt that they donn need to be at motorpool. And they were cool, i respect all MOSs.
I was a 91W, what used to be 91B Combat Medic. Then did the ASI M-6 course and became a Vocational Nurse and you would think “nurse”? Damn, that’s chill! You get to work in a hospital with all the hot female nurses! While there were some perks to the job, the drawbacks far outweighed any perks. For starters, promotion points at the time for E5 were insanely high… like 792… which is impossible unless you max awards, PT, go to WLC and already hold a Bachelor’s degree from any civilian university. Most guys coming in off the block didn’t have that civilian education part so till they got it they were stuck being a peon forever! The next thing that sucked about it was that you could still be pulled from the hospital to go to war with the grunts as a field medic too, although in some respects I think that’s actually far better! Let me tell you about this rumor about people in MEDACC shamming! No freaking way! On average my ass worked from 0700-1900 four to six days out of every week, every month had CQ duty at least twice, plus Duty driver at least twice, if the Hospital SGM wanted a detail of lower enlisted… yep! That was part of it too. Plus, you know in most Army units you get to go to formation at 0630 for morningPT the second the flag goes up, and then you work out for an hour and pop smoke till 0900 formation, when you go to work. Not MEDACC! Fuck no! Those MFer’s would make you go to PT at 0400, have you out there till 0530, then release for hygiene to be back at work by 0645 for morning report, and then you got to take care of patients all day until 1915 evening report and hand off. Anyone who thinks nurses don’t work hard have never had to wipe a 600 lb person’s ass! Working at a Major military medical center isn’t great either. They treat you like dirt. All the officers delegate you all the difficult patients sometimes. You get five, maybe ten minutes to eat the lunch you brought in to work. Plus, while everyone else goes on 30 day block leave, the hospital has to stay open, so you took leave at most one to two weeks at a time because they would not approve leave for any longer than two weeks max. You worked nights, weekends, holidays, you name it! Now, I realize some people are gonna say “at least in the hospital you’re not dodging bullets” and yes… I agree that is one of the perks. At the same time you literally have no life whatsoever for the duration of your enlistment, little to no time for civilian education either because you’re working nonstop, and you get paid a fraction of what you could make to do the same job on the civilian side! I got out of the military in 2013 and my first job as a Vocational nurse paid me on average about $65k per year. In the Army I made about 50K per year. With overtime at that job I pulled in 80-90k per year!
Nice I work as CNA before coming into the army as a cook right now, both work long hours so I'm use to that. To be a cook SGT they lower the points down so it's good on the end I wanted to do the 68C right but I heard they have good hours of work, I know they work 12 hour shifts sometimes 16 hrs but it depends on ppl.
@@SparksForces I never pulled 16 hour shifts according to how I was scheduled. I was working at Darnall Army MedCen on November 5, 2009, the day Nidal Hassan shot 32 people killing 13 in the process, and that day ended up being an 18 hour long day inadvertently because of the mass casualty event that took place on Ft Hood that day. Most days were 12 hr shifts only, but in addition to your 12 hour shift they would often have us come in super early for Physical fitness training. One huge disadvantage of being in Meddac is the real issue of maintaining military fitness standards of readiness. When you’re working 12 hr days 4-6 days a week, sometimes, it can be really easy to let your fitness standards be put to the side and bit. Unlike most of the rest of the US Army, where fitness is scheduled into your work day as part of your normal duty day Monday through Friday. Meddac doesn’t do things in that same manner. Most the regular Army comes to formation at 0630, PT’s for an hour, releases for hygiene and breakfast chow, with the expectation you will return by 0900 for morning company formation and accountability to start your normal duty day, then you generally dip out by 11:30 or 12 pm for an hour long lunch, and return for more work in the afternoon, sometimes cutting out by 4pm, sometimes 5 pm, depending on your op tempo, depending on deployment preparations, FTX, NTC, JRTC, etc., the Medical command tend to work you like an indentured servant. Your normal duty day generally starts at 0645, ends at 1915 hrs, and if you weren’t disciplined enough to PT on your own regularly, or if you’re a lower ranking NCO, you would be tasked to come in at 0400 hrs for PT, you PT with your Joe’s for an hour, go home for hygiene and breakfast and return by 0645, you get maybe a half hour for lunch, and you basically work from sun up till sundown at least 4 days every week. If you had good NCO’s and plenty of lower enlisted folks in your particular section, then they would try to give you at least two to three consecutive days off per week, but your schedule was often extremely unpredictable, and we were expected to always have our phones on 100% of the time. If a Civilian employee called out sick, or had to go on emergency leave, etc., it could be your day off but you might still get a call at 5:45 that morning telling you you had to go in to work. If you found yourself on the fat body program, aka Army Weight Control program, even on your days off you were expected to go in at 0400 hrs for physical fitness readiness. At least once or twice in any given month you would be tasked for additional duties like CQ or Staff duty NCO for 24 hours straight. On any given week my last five years I was in the service I averaged 60-80 hrs at work every week. But compared to having to pay for school to become an LPN on the civilian side where the costs can be as much as $20-30k dollars just to attend the training, i would say it’s still worth doing it in the military to avoid having to pay off that kind of debt when you get done with the training. There are a lot of predatory private institutions that offer the training but anything other than attending it at a Community College is a huge waste of money in my humble opinion.
As a former 92M or us older guys 57F. This MOS has it ups and downs, you may enlist and never see a body and others like me that have handled hundreds. If you want to get to JPAC forget it until you make E6.
@@kelleyboi4518 you can take a non infantry soldier put them in a infantry squad and turn them into a proficient infantryman in days. We’ve been doing this since at least WW2. However, it takes a lot more to turn a infantryman into a Forward Observer or Cannoneer. PT test mean absolutely nothing with the functionality of the jobs. A PT test doesn’t equate to combat. We rely on that test so heavily to validate our egos.
@@FancySeeingYouHere you can teach a job to anyone. I’ve deployed with FO that can give a call for fire class to a group of infantryman and practice it to know the ins and outs. I can have a line medic teach us everything we need to know above being CLS certified. All on top of not being a fat lazy pog like everyone else 🤷🏼♂️
91E here. Not a thing you mentioned is wrong. When I get to do my job I love every second of it and it’s kinda nice not having to weld every single day bc then I’d hate it and get burnt out. I enjoy being the problem solver to the jobs the bravos can’t do. Getting a big job completed is super satisfying because it’s usually something that benefits not only you but others as well. And I’ll be damned if I turn a wrench on a humvee lol. Nothing you say will convince me it’s not the best job I ever had though. If you’re thinking about joining as a 91E do it. We all work well together and the knowledge I’ve gained in my years can’t be matched. Thanks for the video!
How’d you like being an 88m? Joining national guard and heavily considering this. Don’t want to be indoors/office setting and it does transfer to civilian life if something else I do doesn’t work out.
@@anthonyfletcher8053 it was a great job if you can get in a foward support company. Yes you can get your CDL when you get out. Trust me it's not the same. Driving on post, training areas, or deployment is not like driving as a civilian.
I'm ex Navy (Australian) but I will never forget the advice I read given by a WW2 veteran father to a son wanting to join the Army.. "Forget Infantry...get into the Artillery, the biggest guns possible...Railway guns if you can" LOL
As a retired Food Service Specialist. I enjoyed the hours and dealing with the job. I took personal pride in the food WE served. While stationed at Ft. Carson we could not win the local Chili Cook off, but we got more votes than all the others.
I was a 92F petroleum supply specialist, but my unit was air cav. When we deployed to Iraq I got to hot refuel all kinds of rotary aircraft, and cross-train with armament to help load rockets in the OH-58 Kiowas we had...it was pretty freakin' sweet.
A 92F could end up most anywhere. I was one for a MLRS unit and for all intents and purposes, I was part of that Arty unit. Other fuelers I went to school with ended up in every unit in the Army that ran on JP-8, which is all of them.
@@christopherchaos exact same thing happened to me at MEPS I was like say less I'll call my recruiter to pick me up next thing you know I landed a sweet MOS
In the Air Force we had the chow halls open 4 meals a day. We ran 24/7 so they made midnight chow. We never had a holiday or down time, I was on a SAC alert base.
I have never anywhere seen a comparison of Army cooks vs Air Force cooks. While obviously being a cook in the military (even moreso than a civilian cook) sucks no matter what branch you are in, I assume, maybe wrongly, than an Air Force cook does not have it quite as badly as an Army cook would have it, even with the fact that an Air Force chow hall might have 4 meals a day instead of 3. I have read that when an Air Force "services" (cook) isn't cooking in the chow hall, he or she is working in a gym or a hotel being a maid. Maybe I'm wrong, *but that doesn't sound NEAR as terrible* as an Army cook sweating or freezing their butts off in a motorpool doing connex layouts (which is what a lot of soldiers of various MOS do) in addition to nonstop layouts scrubbing down, or slaving away for weeks in the field, having to get up even earlier (like at 3 in the morning instead of 5), and also being randomly pulled and tasked to do really stupid nonsense (like digging a hole and just sitting in the hole for eight hours guarding a gun. And also I can imagine Air Force cook NCO's don't play near as many fuck fuck games with lower enlisted as Army cook NCO's do, And there have been multiple times in my experience when Army cook NCO's who were in a more asshole mood would just follow barracks soldiers to the barracks for surprise room inspections and GI parties and fuck fuck games regardless of how clean their rooms are. I can't imagine it would be QUITE this bad in the Air Force since unmarried enlisted Air Force, according to every source I've come across, is guaranteed ,across the board , to be allowed to move out of the barracks ('dorms") at the rank of e4 and in some cases even e3, as opposed to the Army''s e6 with some cases MAYBE e5. In AIT at fort lee, for DFAC (chow hall or mess hall or whatever you call cafeteria) training, there were all the branches together (not in the same classes of course), but later, Army did field training and we saw only us there. I might be wrong but that gave me the impression that Air Force cooks, like so many people in the Air Force in general, don't even go to the field and have to deal with things like setting up or breaking down the field kitchen trailers in pouring rain and mud everywhere. Obviously I would tell someone who says they want to be a cook in the military "dont do it" but I also say "if you insist on it, do it in the Air Force NOT the Army because while Air Force is still going to suck, it's not going to suck near AS TERRIBLE as Army' Could you confirm or deny? Don't get the idea that i'm try to play a 'army is tougher' or 'oppression olympics' game, but i'm just trying to get a comparison of Air force cooks vs Army cooks since i haven't seen any detail on the difference anywhere online out of all these years now.
@@golfery5119 I was an SP. we did nuclear security. I was an M 60 gunner and 203 man before becoming a fire team leader. We were like the Army. When we had days off we were trading or doing PT or on a ruck. The rest of the AF, outside of special opps, was not like that. I don’t think one of our cooks would ever be at the motor pool. You did your job and that’s it, unless maybe your were in trouble. Your Sgt. Didn’t inspected your dorm room. We’re had dorms like college. Two to a room, two rooms adjoined with a bathroom in between. Each squadron had it own down, so my dorm was all cops. We even had an armory in ours. Each door had a manager, normally a bachelor Sgt or SSGT. They helped you out, made sure everything works, made sure you had supplies. The first shirt or commanders inspected the dorms. The service is the service, but the AF treats their people a lot better than the Army. Trained with some Army guys a few times. I was so glad I we AF. Their gear was junk, they were under supplied and everyone treated each other like shit. If you had one strip over the next guy you were fair game. My fire team was just that, a team. We did everything together. The AF was like that when I was in. Everything was the mission and teamwork.
100% spot on with your description of the cook MOS. I loved the Army life but I HATED being a cook. 14 hours days standing on concrete and people constantly complaining, working every holiday and not being able to change jobs because you can only move to a job where the Army needs you more than where you currently are, plus when I did qualify for another job they conveniently lost my paperwork. Then after 4 years, leaving the Army with a skill to only be a short order cook barely making minimum wage. I would NEVER tell anyone to join the Army to do this. Do ANYTHING else, Thank god for the GI Bill. You want to talk about motivation for this high school drop out to go back to school and earn a couple Masters Degrees and make something of himself. The advice I got from my dad about being a cook was SOOOO wrong, unless you want to say it taught me to appreciate doing anything else.
Military Police should be on this list. Worse schedule than cooks, but you get some of that risk for combat support gigs as well when you aren't working 6 or 7 days straight with one or two off working the law enforcement work cycle at all hours of day and night. Civilian law enforcement is not the smartest job to take, but far better than the Army version, and you can always leave the worst department for a life quality and pay upgrade. No one should take this job now since it's easy to get a job in civilian law enforcement with zero experience so long as you are sober breathing non felon without a psychotic history.
💯 agree with the 91-Exho. On deployment our welder was told to grab a wrench 🔧 and start removing the 1/2 shafts. He found himself in the turret pulling security for our resupply missions. Not much welding.
I was a 92G and hours did suck. We had to do guard duties on top of it. A couple of times I didn’t sleep for days. When I got deployed I had one day off a week that I often had to give up to support other details. I was replaced by civilians and I ended up doing headcount mostly. A couple off holidays we talked officer’s and high ncos into serving so we would have off. I got stuck with CQ on those days.
I was a 91J Quartermaster Chemical Repairer and only time I got to work on the Water purification machine in Camp Dodge Iowa and that was twice the whole time I was in the National Guard
Chris, great job for your list. I was surprised by the last one and you convinced me the end. I missed 92 S for just one number. Love being 91 S and I enjoy doing my MOS, everyday. I also love how the Army loves 91 S qualified soldiers and how they try to find more recruits to fill in the those slots and needs. Go Strykers!
I was in twice, the first time was 54B (Now 74D NBC specialist) for 3 years then came back a year and a half later as an 11M. In both case, I went to a warzone for 6 months. Both turned out to be pretty useless professions in the civilian life. No one really wants to be an EPA specialist or a security guard.
Really enjoyed this video. Your point of view on these mos is totally respected, but there’s so much potential behind each of these job; specifically after serving. What you make out of your blessings and skills is 💯 % up to you. Thank you for getting these mos on the spot. Keep them coming. #PETIVOYAGER 🇨🇲🇺🇸
Maybe the laundry guys (92S) are learning a future tailor job? It looked like they may learn more than taking care of cleaning clothes.And setting up showers would be learning about plumbing. Just saying. Thanks for another great video
A Navy aircraft mechanic in the 80s I was standing next to a guy in the chow line on the Independence he was proud of the fact that he had just made 3rd class (e-4) for the second time. He probably made CPO.
Mortician as a rough MOS is true. I once knew a 91B (light wheeled mechanic) who got put onto a detail handling bodies while in Kuwait. He developed PTSD due to constantly handling mutilated corpses.
My recruiter tried to offer 92G as my first MOS pick after infantry. I studied culinary arts prior to any military experience, and I told him "anything but that. No grunt work, but literally anything but that". I knew someone who was a water purifier, but basically stood in as a generator mechanic or something. if you're gonna be in the 91 series, just expect to be cross trained. I was a 91B and I still got 91L experience.
Chris, I've been working my way through some of your videos and enjoying them. I bet you have corrected this by now, but your light ring is reflecting w/o back lighting. Look forward to watching more and have subscribed. BTW, I never served, but tried to join in '75 and was disqualified on medical (eyes) for helicopter pilot training. I watch your vids for what I missed!
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A little tip for 11B wannabes: quite a few people did national guard component as 11B and they basically get the sweetest deal because they live their life as usual but still go thru the training and field exercises and some of them can even volunteer for deployments if they’re lucky. That basically means you are a part time infantryman and have an option to be a full time infantryman when a deployment with another unit comes up. Something worth considering I think.
Glorified security guard with a boom stick. Laughs in Halloween costume wearing NVGS that just couldn’t handle the real Army.
genuinely feel like this comment was here for me lol. thanks bro
@@ashtonbeale No problem high speed 🤘
@@derkdiggler4634 despite the fact that nasty girls are older than the army itself my guy 🫱🏻🫡
I will be joining 11b this year as National Guard and my recruiter praises it! Looking forward to it.
I was a Tanker 19E / 19K and one thing I was an expert at was sweeping the sun off the concrete in the Motorpool.
Same thing for 11B as well. The only time we could do our job was in the field, so we are pretty much glorified janitors with the amount of sweeping and mopping we do on a daily basis, especially in the middle of the desert because of all the sand that gets blown around
19D here, we do the same thing 😅
My dad was a psychologist for the VA. The majority of his patients were Vietnam Vets. He said the absolute worst cases of PTSD he dealt with was those in graves registration. He said those patients were unreachable and untreatable.
That's because 100% of those troops were draftees who were forced to do it in country. That situation hasn't existed for decades and has nothing to do with the modern job at all.
@@cplassen2138 I disagree with you, my scoutmaster over in Japan was career Military with family. He was sent to DaNang AB in February 1968 and stayed there until February 1969, he worked Graves Registration, he left Japan as kind of like Bob Hope and when he returned he was a dark shadow of himself.
@@snowyowlz5992 Don't be an asshole. There's exceptions to every rule. And it sounds like, that guy got drafted in the first place and stayed in.
CP Lassen, not all os us who went to RVN were draftees. About 1/3 of us were. I was. Unless you were around for the Vietnam War and the draft, it’s hard to imagine. I was there for the later part of the war. Men end up damaged and bitter for life. And if people remember, Congress, the Presidency, and politics insured that we did not go to war to win. the injustice of selective service, et cetera along with getting blamed for the loss of the Vietnam War.
I personally believe that everyone physically and mentally capable should go in involuntarily to perform military and non military jobs.
@@user-em1sj5ph6h I for one volunteered for military service willingly. Thanks for serving and welcome home.
Hats off to Cooks; the unsung heroes of the U.S. Army.
92S could go into laundry services at large companies. As in hospitals, schools, and also commercial cleaning services such as Cinstas. A uniform is a uniform. They don’t always have to be camo.
i would and will hate my life doing laundry 🤣 most definitely not something i don’t see anyone wanting to do.
I think FEMA as well has laundry services for disaster relief.
Doing laundry in the miliary and civilian world is the same: they both suck ass and boring.
I just don’t see how anyone could walk into a recruiters office and want to be a 92s, at least go 18x, you’re an 11b and get the opportunity to go to selection and you’re automatically Airborne!
“The army is not all sunshine and rainbows”….did anybody else get flashbacks of field problems, CQ, road guard, connex layouts, CoC ceremonies, etc….
Those friggen CoC ceremonies were the worst. Standing at attention for 2 hours in 93 degree heat waiting for some flag officer who doesn't give a shit about you.....and don't lock your knees 🤪
We have one this Friday… and I won’t be there because I’m starting SFLTAP Monday 😈
@@billydamac shit I been out for a while 😂 it was ACAP when I was in
Connex layouts are the worst. Move things from one connex to the other, just to move it all back afterwards. Ive done that plenty of times. And then layouts where you are told to get it done as soon as possible, just for the XO or commander to not show up and have to repack it all back up, just to do the same thing the next day. Ft Bliss was notorious for that. Motor pool Mondays were horrible as well. Least favorite thing to ever have to do, especially if you are part of the vic crew. Until the Vic’s are locked up, you have to sit with them. Not to bad in the winter time when the temp was only in the 60’s or lower, but middle of the summer when it’s 100° out, it was horrible. At least the guys not on a vic crew could go inside the cof to the air conditioning and clean weapons or teach classes.
Fun stuff for an 11c 😆
As a 19D veteran, I am grateful and thankful for all of these MOS'es that were listed as the worst, as they are the ones who kept me fed, clothed, supported... while I took the risks locating or harassing the enemy.
To quote the Starship Troopers recruiter, "Infantry made me the man I am today." Infantry creates leaders and if you stick around long enough, you will have increasing amounts of responsibility with Soldiers looking to you as an example and for leadership. You will have plenty of stories to tell and if needed actually do what you train for which may or may not sit well with your mental state. I had a great deal of adventure in the infantry, but you must keep in mind the toll it takes on the body. After 20 years of service my ankles, knees, and hip sockets are messed up, my back is messed up (from carrying heavy loads day in and day out), the arches of my feet caved in, shoulder impingements and a destroyed wrist from all the pushups (your wrist cartilage will shred over the years dependent on how you place your hands relative to your body). When you are built like a body builder, you find yourself carrying the heavier weapons increasing the toll the body takes compared to the everyone else. If you decide to go Infantry learn everything you can to help preserve your joints.
You will have plenty of adventure even if you don't go see combat. I remember my dad saying at my retirement ceremony, "you have double, if not more overseas stripes than everyone else in the ceremony." That was a result of the combat deployments, but for training and temporary duty, you will go to some places you least expect. I ended up seeing Europe, visiting Australia, going all over Southeast Asia, Papua New Guinea (22 days in the jungle living on a stilted wooden hut, no plumbing so no running water). If the outdoors isn't for you this is definitely not the MOS for you. Now if the outdoors is for you, you will sleep under the stars in some very interesting places, you may climb mountains all over the world, hunt animals and fish with installations that cater to Soldiers getting ample opportunity to do so... what an adventure!
infantry creates profiles and va ratings, alcoholics and baby daddies, and car salesman after you get out broken and have nothing to show for it.
Watching that footage of the cooks brought back some great memories. People love to complain but 3 (free) hot meals a day was always great.
Hot chow in the field or in Garrison is always a great thing! Everyone looks forward to that and payday!
I am a female and wanted a job as close to combat that females were allowed back then ('95). So, I chose 16T, PATRIOT Missile Crewperson, ADA. I think it has a different designation now... Anyway, I was all ready to do this and at the final MEPS thing, they were recruiting for other MOS'. They tried to get me to switch to another MOS, specifically some kind of office clerk type MOS (don't remember what the number was now). They even made me watch a recruiting video about it: picture cool music accompanied by images of.... people sitting at desks and filling out paperwork...lol
I literally almost cried! No! I want an adventure!!!! lol
Luckily, I was guaranteed my 16T job, and that's what I did.
But I'll never forget that.
I was a 14/ 16S from 94 to 97. Loved it. The second time I went in as a 54B. Liked it, but really missed the ADA, for sure. Glad you stuck to your guns.
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Glad you were able to stick to what you wanted. I started the 16R school and then was pulled out of it due to less than a year left in service.
💯 I was 16 P/16S basic training in Fort Bliss. The original home of ADA. Where is small family 👍🏼 with pretty high ASVAB scores😂
@@funnyfarm5555💯🤔 it was always good to know there was a Vulcanner in your same grid😂
@archieletsyouknow5508 Yep.... Bliss. Liked it there a lot. Grew up in Florida, so desert and good Mexican food was a nice change of pace.
Laundry Specialist does six, gets a business degree and walks into a 6 figure hotel management. Inglorious, sure; Financially sound, assuredly. Not my MOS, just saying
Yeah, I would never knock 92S or any other quartermaster specialty.
I had a guy ship out to basic with me who was a 92m so he could get his morticians license. His family had several funeral homes in New Jersey and it’s somewhat expensive and takes a long time. He told me it’s stream lined and a lot quicker in the military.
interesting
Interesting twist on portability of skill training.
I was the assistant theater Mortuary Affairs Officer during OIF based in Kuwait (supporting from Djibouti in East Africa to the Afghanistan - Pakistan border) and this is where I became aware of the true reason to avoid this MOS - 92M as it becomes obvious in deployed remains recovery missions. We had teams that had to do recoveries of remains that had been found floating in water after several days (I will not describe condition of remains, your imagination is probably bad enough.) or from an aircraft crash where small pieces of the remains are spread over hundreds of meters and you do a grid search like at an archeological dig to ensure no parts are missed.
This was the same scenario as when the World Trade Center was destroyed. Digging through the rubble to find all the pieces.
Then each bagged part is individually logged then each piece undergoes DNA testing to match the pieces to the person then combined in one container, the container is then with great care sealed then wrapped and safety pinned neatly in a new wool Army blanket, this very small generally package is then placed in a coffin behind a perfectly set up with all rank, branch symbols, unit patches, awards, and badges shown as earned on their 201 file on an empty perfectly by the regulation dress green uniform before the coffin is released from Dover MA Center for transport to the funeral home near military members HoR is for the funeral. Seeing this display in progress at the Dover MA Center was an experience I will never forget from the unit stopping at Dover Air Base headed to Kuwait.
The recovery duties of this MOS will psychologically break most people and leave no one unchanged. The personnel who don't deploy only working morgue duty are lucky ones also this is why rank is easy to make in this MOS as there is a very high turn over. If you pray, please pray for these as they go through Hell on Earth at times. Major US Army Retired
I am a 92M.
@@flavorchemist I was in when we were still training to fight the USSR in Europe. So there wasn’t much of that that the 92mikes had to deal with. I became a Police Officer in NJ and volunteered to go over to the Fresh Kills landfill and sift through the debris that was trucked over from ground zero. Not a nice thing. But when you found a tooth or hair you felt that you were helping the families of those killed.
Thank you, you are a true hero. The Dover visit was the most life changing event for me. I was on my way to Kuwait with the Theater Support Command from NOLA as the Deputy Theater Mortuary Affairs Officer. I only saw undescribable pictures and ensured the Service Member's safe and honored transportation back home. The teams had the real trial on the ground from Djibouti to the Afghanistan - Pakistan boarder. I listened to them as they needed release and their talking seemed to help them a tiny bit. They had seen some of true horrors of War. Thank you again as the World Trade Center was much like combat in its destruction, loss, and misery caused. Michael Fields Major US Army Retired @@mbendero
I was 92G for 7 years !!! This is all true about long hours and weekends. But I did a lot of connelly cooking competitions and got many awards and promoted faster than most of my peers.
Dude I was also a 92G,also did 7 yrs !!! LOL. Didn't do any cooking competitions tho,but got promoted to sgt in my first 4 months in the army.Came in as an E-4,prior service navy. GO ARMY !!! LOL.
How were the hours?
@@tatianaleejimenez never ending. Unless you luck out and end up in a dfac that isn't open on the weekends.
As soon as you said in the beginning that the last one was going to be controversial, I knew you were gonna say 11B. And as a non-deployed 11B I felt like this was very accurate
It’s a tale of 2 sides. Met multiple 11B’s that have 5+ deployments, and met some E6’s with 0 deployments who have had privates who deployed. It’s crazy. Just depends on which duty station you go to. For the ones who go to Ft Lewis, unless you are part of ranger bat or group, you are never going to get to deploy.
I am thankful I took my dad's advice before I entered the US Army. He told me, Son, Study for the entrance examination. I did and scored pretty high. He was in the Infantry for 4 yrs and hated it. Why is this important? Because you get a chance to choose from multiple MOS; s. if you score high on the test. Recruiters will offer bonuses for some hard to fill jobs. But I got what I wanted.... Military Intelligence. I stayed in for 6 yrs. Got to see Europe and the Far East. So, my advice is to study for the entrance exam unless you really want to go 11 bang-bang, explosives, tanks or combat. Trust me, you will be glad you did.
Ooh, what was your M.O.S.?
I am currently an 88N but I want to reclass to the MI branch (as a 35M).
I got 95th percentile on the Asvab...and went 13 F.
I scored 2 nd highest in My training battalion .I choose to be a Jeep Gunner Cav Scout ..Rat Patrol brainwashed Me ..that and free ammo.
I did 6 years in the AF as a 98G equivalent (Russian Linguist). I got hit by a reduction in forces in 87 and bounced around as a full time civilian for a bit over a year. I then found an Intel slot in an Army Reserve unit. I ended up doing just short of 20 years in the Army, some of it Reserves, some Active, and finally retiring from the Guard. I went for a Commission and retired as an O-3. I would have to say the best job I had in all of my years was that of a Platoon Leader. I spent my entire career in the Intel Community. These days I work for Home Depot and use my Russian speaking skills on a nearly daily basis. Over 40 years since I finished that course and I still have the skills I learned as a young E-3.
Never turn down free ammo or explosives
Infantry… well for starters it’s a family. The bonds that you form serving in the infantry are stronger than any family or fraternity. I did 6 years and nine month as 11bravo and to this day I remember every single leader I had, all of my bro’s and all of my Joe’s. I remember every single dude from basic and my battle buddy from basic is one of my best friends.
Originally, the military for me was my "if all else fails" plan. Seeing those war movies made me want to do some high-speed action shit as an infantryman or CE. However, it took the Internet and talking to vets to bring me into reality.
As I used to tell my applicants at MEPS, don't worry about the military if you're going to make a shit load of money, if you're already there, or close to it, keep doing what you're doing, but if you're working at Wal-Mart or some other krappy job, enlist. I didn't have to worry about rent, I didn't have to worry about utilities, I knew what I was going to wear each day, I knew I had a guaranteed job, I knew where I had to be, it was the NCO's that made it bad, that's why I got out, and regret it to this day, I'm going to regret it for the rest of my life, I should have never left, but if you're going to do it, pick a job that transfers to the civilian world, you can be S6, or you can pick a craft, depending on your ASVAB, you can get pretty much anything, but you know, when you apply for a office building high rise type job, they're not going to care you were Infantry.
@@armybeef68 What was your MOS?
Shoutout to all of my fellow 11B’s. Embrace the suck 😂✊🏼. We learn to live with it, and sometimes it really isn’t that bad.
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i couldn't resist it
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11B ✊🏽
11bang baby
Lol my recruiter is trying to talk me out of 11b
92G is on the list no doubt.
Do t hate on us ,🤣🤣🤣🤣
They rank up so fast though
@@ChaoticBean794 Getting rank as a 92G is not worth it. Better to just change your job.
Filthy spoons.
What is that, a cook?
I was a 92G and I loved it, other than the DFAC there’s more to it that nobody understands. I was on my base’s culinary arts team and got to travel around, when my time came to re-enlist I decided to reclass for more days off. Switched to maintenance and everybody bashed me for it saying it was a bad idea and that mechanics work too much, I get way more time off that I reclassed
92G NCOs are cool as fuck, they all have this level of "fuck it" that is just too legendary to speak of.
@@TranceCore3 My drill sargent at Fort Lee, recently, was a 92G and he was a great guy!
P.S. My MOS was 88N though. But Fort Lee was teeming with 92Gs.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 I was a 91b, my company had cooks but they kinda did their own thing at the dfac
My buddy from high school ended up at Bragg with me as a cook. That dude wrangled the job as the night baker. What a sham!
@@TranceCore3 Golfs are great! Up at 3:00 prepping our meals, and then serving it to us with a smile. They were passionate about us having good chow. No complaints. Unsung Heroes. I did 23 years as 31M and 88N. If I were hiring for a civilian job... gimme me a "Golf!"
If you could replace one of the MOS's on my list with a different MOS, what would it be?
31 Miscellaneous
I wouldn't remove any you have I think it's a good list, I would just add 31B for the same reasons as 92G as far as schedules., and you're hated by most.
@@sdksniper we are definitely hated but it makes us closer to so alot of tight bonds
I agree with all. The 92 series sucks as a whole.....
12K (plumber) I've been in 3 years and have yet to do my job
I was a 12b combat engineer glorified grunt loved it
92S is actually good if you want to learn how to make clothing and be a personal tailor, fashion designer, hotel manager, cosplayer, and a whole bunch of cool artsy civilian jobs. I want the 11B for the experience, but honestly, 92S sounds so much up my alley that I'll have to try it sometime.
I also chose 92S, because my grandma taught me how to sew and I was very artsy and quite creative
Being a 92S was my gateway to 88M since we had the LADS and flat beds of equipment to transport.
As a former 11B, I went on 1 deployment. If you are an 11B, never got to Ft Lewis. The area is beautiful, you will spend more time in the field then you will in garrison. But my other 2 duty stations, I loved everything about it. Ft Bliss was great and I loved Ft Campbell. But as an 11b, your body will break down from all the weight you will carry, plus all the rucks and running you do on a daily basis. I would know because I’m not medically retired because of my legs and back. But I’d do it all over again. Gave me a lot of experience in a leadership role and the brotherhood you join since you spend more time with the other soldiers then you do at home with your family if you are married.
100% about the cooks and their crazy schedules. Back in the day, we used to go to the DFAC to help our friend finish his Friday night shift, just so we could all go to the club 😎🎶
I was a 92S on my first contract. The cooks and grunts made sure we were taken care of. So much food, snacks, and beer was delivered daily. It was crazy that something so simple as a hot shower and clean clothes made people grateful. It can transition into the hospitality field such as hotel management, and I know a fellow soldier who is a professional tailor and can do some crisp work on suits. I'm an 88M now, and I know that's where I fit in best. Being a 92S gave me the driving skills needed to move the LADS and flatbeds of equipment all over the place. At least this was my experience.
I was a 45T. A mechanic in Bradley's. I was assigned in the end to drive a M88. I worked on all kinds of vehicles. I didn't do what I signed up for bur loved what I did!
M88, still going strong after 50+ years of service.
If they try to give you 92G at MEPS, get up and leave.
If you want to work at kfc after the army just pick combat engineer.
Meh I’d say you could enter the construction field quite easily and be a foreman due to your service
said the 19K........LOL (not so much)
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You could, there are more marketable engineer MOS’s though.
I was a 56M (Chaplain Assistant). The pros are that you really only report to your battalion Chaplain (and brigade), you don't USUALLY get dragged into menial tasks like setting up for ceremonies and since most people don't know what you actually do, it is easy to pretend like you are busy.
The cons include- it is a lonely job as there is only one 56M per battalion so it can get pretty isolating. You do have to work some Sundays pulling chapel duty so be aware of that. You don't develop that automatic camraderie with other guys your same rank like in Infantry, Artillery, Cav Scouts etc. If you are deployed it is your job to set up the memorial service for a soldier KIA and they are really emotional and devastating so be warned of that aspect.
Ideally, if you are a 56M, the best assignment is to work directly for the Garrison (Chapel) instead of being attached to a regular combat unit which I was.
Where was your basic at?
@@lelandgaunt9985 Fort Jackson. Because the AIT school is on the same post.
I was a Chaplain Assistant (71M) 1985-88, it seemed like I was the Chain of Commands answer to THE DUTY ROSTER (usually DUTY DRIVER) And got an excellent vehicle taken away because it was too much for me to maintain and was given a piece of junk Jeep! Two terrible Chaplains I served directly with, the third was a true man of God. I went back to the MP's (I was prior Service! Promoted to E-5 within six months!)
I was in a Quartermaster unit at in the 90's, which had Mortuary Affairs, Cooks and Laundry - Bath and Sewing (3 different MOS's back then). Other than running a clothing sewing repair shop, that MOS platoon was mostly in the motor pool or doing details until it was time to go to the field or deploy. The Mortuary Affairs MOS sometimes worked at the base Hospital morgue or trained at a local civilian hospital morgue. If they were not at those places, they were at the motor pool also. When deployed, they were assigned to or near hospital, MASH units, same as Mortuary Affairs. There, they worked 12 hour shifts. One thing I noticed was they got promoted to sergeant really, really, really fast. their cut scores for sergeant and staff sergeant dropped the lowest. This was back in 1993, 1994 for Mortuary, Laundry - Bath, and Sewing. Believe this, one of the Mortuary Affairs Specialist was Ranger Qualified. He trained and qualified to serve in a Long Range Surveillance Detachment with was all airborne and many Ranger Qualified personnel.
What do mortuary affairs do in garrison?
@@sithninjacowboyranger9803 As I said earlier, they worked at the morgue at the base hospital or even worked at a nearby local civilian hospital. Other than that, they worked in the motor pool doing whatever the commander wanted them to do.
@@gatosnegra281 since they're not trained to work on vehicles in the motor pool I don't see what good they were in the motor.
@@steel90912 with rare exceptions everybody does motor pool maintenance
@@torlekjpec5708 92M what have been the job that I had chosen but I had a recruiter who pushed me on being a construction engineer and it turned out to be a combat engineer. I really hated that MOS. 😤
I’m 11b I join in 2019 & I’m in the 82nd deployed, in 2020 got a CIB seen combat got buddies at fort drum deployed to Afghanistan in 2020 got CIB seen combat it happens but rare like you said. If you wanna do high speed shit go to SF & or to rasp. I hate when people complain about not doing there job being a 11B to fight people on both sides people die & nothing can compare you to see you’re Buddy right next to you die. PS love the videos you got me right for my bored means a lot
Yeah that's the very nature of War.. people die... if you don't like that reality or you don't think you could do it, Don't volunteer.. obviously it still gonna suck and losing people is horrible as you mentioned but someone has to do the job sadly enough.
91E you hit the nail on the head with them, the same with machinist.
92S I only met them in Albania in 1999, they set everything up but it didn’t seem like they did the mos much.
I'm currently an 11B been deployed a few times and I agree 100 percent. but more so for what happens after you been serving as a light infantryman for awhile. really bad knee and back problems.
I was a grunt in the Marine’s. Loved it. I made sure wherever I went I made friends with cooks and supply personnel.
My dad was WW2 infantry. He said don't do that, haha. I was 51B20 in the Corps of Engineers. Never worked as hard in civilian life. Many times we worked 7 days a week 18 hr days in Korea thru mud, rain and even -20F winter on DMZ. Not sure it would have been worse in Vietnam in the Infantry. Came back alive, so...
When I was a 92M we spent most days in the motorpool. Unless we were going to the field or tasked out to the morgue in Richmond. Plan on being at Ft. Lee, VA as a 92M. At least at the start of your career. Also, there aren't a lot of 92M's in the Army, so there aren't a lot of promotions. I sat at E4 promotable for over a year because no one above was retiring... Deployments last around 6 months and you deploy every 1 1/2 years. I loved my job though! Especially when I actually got to do it and not be a grease monkey instead...
What did you transition into after you got out?
Nice objective points you put across for the 11B Infantry MOS, as most boys that have a dream of wanting to join the army have always wanted to be there even if it’s doesn’t translate to any specific career field outside the military but you too know that they’re there most respected MOS and the guys that get promoted the fastest and stand the chance of rising up to become the chief of the army compared to other MOS’, even on the Officer side.
I guess the clarity people need to have right now in 2022 is that joining the military is now part of planning their future career and they should think about if they just FULLY want enjoyment in their MOS’ of if they want one that can easily translate to other fields when they exit the military.
My old roomie was a 92G, he worked days when I worked Mids as an MP. That dude got shit on more than anyone I know. What’s up Woodland!
I enlisted after high school in 96 as a 11B with a Airborne school and a Ranger option immediately after boot camp, 27 years ago and 6 days I left on the adventure of a lifetime.
Probably time to update this list. On the 11B MOS, I enlisted specifically for this, and then changed to a Signal MOS. Everybody should know how to fight and lead, so this was good initially on my first enlistment, but looking to the future, you're right, not too many job prospects leaving the Army. Also, I worked for a short time as a security guard to pay for some of my college fees, and Infantry training does not translate into a good fit for this civilian job, as shooting and killing someone is pretty much frowned on. Still, if you don't plan on making it a career, starting out 11B and then declassing to an MOS that has better civilian job prospects is always a good plan.
Should have joined the Marines, Infantry, Security, and good marksmanship are basic skills.
Yeah, get that E5 as an 11B and skip the lines for E5 in your new MOS. Even if you just get Corporal, you will outrank every Specialist you meet and always be a team leader.
I got blocked for E5 in the 90s because my MOS went overstrength due to new equipment.
I did the same thing. 11B and then switched to 31F Switch Operator. Great move.
Spent 8 years 11B,(4active, 4 guard) reclassed after ACL and meniscus got shredded.
I was a 11B10 who messed up an ankle and was reassigned to Ft Riley loved it I got re assigned to 11C and drove an APC I loved it.
Do a video on the weirdest MOSs in the US Army; job roles that you wouldn't expect to see in the army like 88K or 88T or oddly specific MOSs like 740A.... yes, I had to look those up....
42R
42X = sex surrogate
When I joined the army I would see these guys signed up for 74 series MOS’s: Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear (CBRN) and I thought why would anyone want that as an MOS?
A few decades later I see guys that had that MOS making over 120k/year doing stuff like HAZMAT removal.
Crazy money though probably pretty dangerous !
A well reasoned, carefully thought out list! Great video as usual.
First. As an initial enlistment 11B, I ate it up with a spoon and asked for seconds. This was 1987-90. In that short amount of time 2-27 Inf. Wolfhounds, fought forest fires in Oregon, deployed to Honduras for Operation Golden Pheasant, JRTC rotation FT Chaffee, Arkansas, Team Spirit-S.Korea, and only missed out on Panama Canal security and subsequent invasion because I got pick for a green to gold scholarship. We treated our cooks like gold and one of the worst MOSs you missed was 92F fuel handler.
When I was a 1Sgt of a DS Maintenance Co. I was surprised to learn that 92G cook was rated a heavy lifting MOS. It gave me a better understanding of the MOS.
Man…i feel your pain in making this list. Every MOS is not just important…they’re absolutely vital. But i wouldn’t argue your picks or your reasons.
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I’ve never seen a field shower let alone a 92S. First I’ve heard of it. Although a field shower would be clutch at times.
You were not in the field enough. They usually showed up after being in the field for a week and then only set up for a few days then leave.
@@42N8_1 I’ve been in the field for 26 days at some points. Still no shower homie. Just baby wipes. But that may be a BDE staff thing
92G is by far the worst Mos in the army
Even if you like to cook just don’t do it.
The dfac is the easiest part in that job
When you go to the field you work straight up 18 hours a day for 3 weeks. I’ve seen a lot of soldiers in this mos getting out., chaptered out
Never again
I don't think 92m should be on this list because the thing with 92m, it's not an MOS you can't just "go into" right off the bat or "accidently" find yourself in when you don't want to be there. There is A LOT of vetting involved in those wanting to be a 92M, so if you don't have the stomach for that kind of job, the vetting process will catch you long before you're able to become a fully trained and fully active 92m. Basically, the only way you can become a 92m is if you are very dedicated to becoming a 92m, the Army strait up doesn't want people that doesn't want to be there doing what is one of the most important jobs in the Army; they want 100% dedication to that job, because it's one of those jobs where there is zero room for mistakes. The one this should be replaced by is 13F (Fire Support Specialist), one of the least popular MOSs in the Army and one of the most common MOSs to get recycled into if you flunk out of AIT as well as the MOS that consistently has the lowest point requirements for promotion to Sergeant and Staff Sergeant which shows you just how unpopular this MOS is.
I was a navy trud chaser, aka shipfitter and a fresh air snipe. We burned a lot of welding rods. The auxiliary enginemen took care of ac relegation pumps etc. He is absolutely right about the stew burners, in addition the three meals, they had to serve midrats to crewman going on the midwatch. The rating that is at the bottomod the totem pole are the deck apes, ie boswain mates. They swab decks, chip paint and scrape rust, handle lines and stand look out watches in every kind of weather immigable.
In SoCal as a EW there were days when I volunteered to help the deck apes run the needle guns. Better outside than inside the compartment.
A little bit like being inside a metal drum while somebody is outside hammering on it. You can get away with that on a frigate or destroyer.
I also got to pull shore power and line handling. My mate for that was BM2 Hungry. Together we weighed around 525 lbs. All the meat needed for that.
Some of the hatches were a bit snug.
when i was a 94b 80's "spoon"! i had 11 bravos tell me they would never want my job!! we did our jobs the best as we could!!! the holidays were "all day every day"!! and the field in alaska was no joke!!!! and if u dont like the mess hall u can always go "downtown" for chow!!!!!!
From an 11C, AMEN! Respect, but you can have it, brother. Great chow 90% of the time. Even had 🦞 shoved out of a chopper in mermites...LOL. No holiday, just lobster from the Chow God.
Okay I'm an old soldier so I only know the old MOS codes. A Laundry and Bath Specialist was a 57E and Fabric Repair a 43M. The Grave Registration Specialist a 57F. All received their AIT at Ft. Lee Va and they all worked together. I know this because they were in my company 26S&S Co 142Bn Pioneer Kaserne in Hanau Germany 1983-84. One occasion our company did a mass burial exercise and the local population found out then all hell broke loose. Just a small historical note these guys did mortuary affairs in Vietnam.
I was stationed in hanau. 93-96. Their was a 26th qms company in grossauheim. Maybe that was your old unit?
Yes, that's my old unit. We had sections on Fielgerhorst, Grossauheim, Francois and "Pioneer." @@standingonacomet2084
As an 11B with 7 years TIS, I was extremely fortunate to catch one of the last Afghanistan deployments. I love the infantry and I’m not going to reclass, but if you’re joining right now expecting to go to war you need to adjust your sight picture a bit and might want to look at other options that could be more beneficial to you in the long run. Great video Chris.
I enjoyed being an 11B/M during the Cold War...but only one term. I was "fortunate" to get hurt and be allowed to reup for MOS 29V. What a great MOS that turned out to be. Had jobs from electronic maintenance at Division level to site chief of a strategic comms site to being a G6 and J6 SGM...even got to be a Joint Unit SEL before I retired. Any MOS can be pretty good if you take it as seriously as necessary, but not so seriously that it becomes what you are. I think all combat support MOS personnel should have to serve at least one hitch in combat arms first so that they know WHY their support jobs exist.
Yeah I always felt bad for the chow hall folks. During Boot my squad had chow detail on Christmas and New Years. Both times the same people were working the kitchens.
I was Commo from 93-2000. Its a great M.O.S. 31U/25U.
The good thing about my mos was that I could go nearly anywhere.
The bad thing about my mos was that I could go nearly anywhere.
Meaning you could end up in any kind of unit.
Ive been in Logistics/Support, Airborne Infantry, and Aviation units.
Going from an Infantry Bn. to Aviation Bn. was culture shock.
I even did about 3 months in Armored Cavalry by mistake.
There were sunshine and rainbows??? Well, at Graf we were rained on, with dust in our faces. It was not until I was in a HHC company that I learned to appreciate the hard work that cook's do. Thanks to 40th Armor cooks, Berlin Brigade 79-81. Winners of the Connally cup.
I was a 44B1P. Metal Worker/Paratrooper. I always had work to do, and when I did not have any work I was perfecting my welding techniques. We always had a mix of Combat training and MOS work. 👍
I held 44B and 44E as well as 95B
As an early 2000s 11B this is absolutely accurate.
Damn I never thought of how crappy the hours were for 92Gs!!! 🤯 I feel bad for them, but I also really appreciate their hardwork!!! ❤
11 bravo, I’ve been out since 2010…. I’m 35 now about to go back in!
LOL. Chris nailed it with these MOS choses. 13B artilleryman 19K tanker and 21B Combat Engineer also falls into the 11B suck factor or even 19D Cavalry Scout. I was a 11B for a few years and airborne qualified and no way was I doing this MOS for 20 years. It gets old real fast always having to patrol and or doing presence or forced patrols for miles no matter the weather conditions. Not a lot of sleep in the field and the field is where 11B do their job. I got a million stories as to why 11B may be cool for a couple of years but after that its time to change MOS. As far as those other MOS Chris named in this video. the only good thing I ever seen with those suck MOSs, is almost all of those MOSs were promoted to E7 and above, faster than most other MOSs except for some Combat arms and Special Operations or MI MOSs. Reason being is that their are a lot less competition when your records go before the board for promotion and they have slots to fill. remember, most of the cool MOSs get filled and they become over strength so cutoff scores stay higher and promotions get slower
Your absolutely correct. I've seen guys promoted to a e7 slot faster than your average 11b solider.
13B sucks up to SSG, but it does get better. At least we aren't dismounted.
12B/21B feel you
@@Nimreitz I was enlisted with my local Army National Guard Field Artillery Unit - 1982-88. 13 Bravo. We had 105mm towed howitzers. I honestly loved being artillery.
@@shadowwolf9503 how is your hearing?
I was an 11b during Vietnam 1971. We spent 2 - 3 weeks in the field then 3 days at a fire base in the guard bunkers around the base. We moved every day rain or shine. During monsoon season we were always wet. We had a poncho and a liner as our bedding. When it rained the poncho was on top and the liner under that. There is a reason we were called grunts. If you can live thru fire fights land mines and weather you can live thru anything. To this day it was the most draining thing I’ve ever done. Nothing else comes close. The good thing is I can deal with most anything now because I know what it’s like to be a grunt.
I was an 11B in my first contract and did 3 years stationed in Ft Irwin (yes, OPFOR), I decided to reclass on my second contract to a 15Y (Apache Armt/Avionics/Electrical Maintainer). On my third contract still a 15Y, I would switch back to an 11B if there was deployments.
Were you in 1/52nd INF BN?
My original MOS was 15Y, but I was forced to switch from that to 91B before I shipped to basic. Now I'm interested in 25P or 14P
@@barke27barker19 no, 2/11 ACR
@@javiuno2610 that's interesting considering we had exactly zero 11B when I was in E troop a hundred years ago... what was the reason for sending 11Bs to a cav troop.
@@SGobuck no idea but there was many 11Bs and 11Cs working in a MIBN with Tankers (19K) cross training and learning g each other’s jobs.
Dad was in WWII, did Graves detail when he got out his hands shook he was 21. A WWI vet told him take 6 months off and be a tourist. He did and never had PTSD he said that older guys advice saved him . Military wanted to give him 💯 percent disability.
The shaking came back in his 70s. Familial trimmers it was called.
Damn I just signed up for 92M. But I've wanted to be a Mortician for 6 years now so let's hope for the best.
How are you liking your M.O.S.?
I personally respect 92Ms (and all other quartermaster specialties).
As a mech. in the motorpool, i personally concentrated on their equip. Mondays are PMCS, I completely took over their duties, i felt that they donn need to be at motorpool. And they were cool, i respect all MOSs.
I was a 91W, what used to be 91B Combat Medic. Then did the ASI M-6 course and became a Vocational Nurse and you would think “nurse”? Damn, that’s chill! You get to work in a hospital with all the hot female nurses! While there were some perks to the job, the drawbacks far outweighed any perks. For starters, promotion points at the time for E5 were insanely high… like 792… which is impossible unless you max awards, PT, go to WLC and already hold a Bachelor’s degree from any civilian university. Most guys coming in off the block didn’t have that civilian education part so till they got it they were stuck being a peon forever! The next thing that sucked about it was that you could still be pulled from the hospital to go to war with the grunts as a field medic too, although in some respects I think that’s actually far better! Let me tell you about this rumor about people in MEDACC shamming! No freaking way! On average my ass worked from 0700-1900 four to six days out of every week, every month had CQ duty at least twice, plus Duty driver at least twice, if the Hospital SGM wanted a detail of lower enlisted… yep! That was part of it too. Plus, you know in most Army units you get to go to formation at 0630 for morningPT the second the flag goes up, and then you work out for an hour and pop smoke till 0900 formation, when you go to work. Not MEDACC! Fuck no! Those MFer’s would make you go to PT at 0400, have you out there till 0530, then release for hygiene to be back at work by 0645 for morning report, and then you got to take care of patients all day until 1915 evening report and hand off. Anyone who thinks nurses don’t work hard have never had to wipe a 600 lb person’s ass! Working at a Major military medical center isn’t great either. They treat you like dirt. All the officers delegate you all the difficult patients sometimes. You get five, maybe ten minutes to eat the lunch you brought in to work. Plus, while everyone else goes on 30 day block leave, the hospital has to stay open, so you took leave at most one to two weeks at a time because they would not approve leave for any longer than two weeks max. You worked nights, weekends, holidays, you name it! Now, I realize some people are gonna say “at least in the hospital you’re not dodging bullets” and yes… I agree that is one of the perks. At the same time you literally have no life whatsoever for the duration of your enlistment, little to no time for civilian education either because you’re working nonstop, and you get paid a fraction of what you could make to do the same job on the civilian side! I got out of the military in 2013 and my first job as a Vocational nurse paid me on average about $65k per year. In the Army I made about 50K per year. With overtime at that job I pulled in 80-90k per year!
Nice I work as CNA before coming into the army as a cook right now, both work long hours so I'm use to that. To be a cook SGT they lower the points down so it's good on the end I wanted to do the 68C right but I heard they have good hours of work, I know they work 12 hour shifts sometimes 16 hrs but it depends on ppl.
@@SparksForces I never pulled 16 hour shifts according to how I was scheduled. I was working at Darnall Army MedCen on November 5, 2009, the day Nidal Hassan shot 32 people killing 13 in the process, and that day ended up being an 18 hour long day inadvertently because of the mass casualty event that took place on Ft Hood that day. Most days were 12 hr shifts only, but in addition to your 12 hour shift they would often have us come in super early for Physical fitness training. One huge disadvantage of being in Meddac is the real issue of maintaining military fitness standards of readiness. When you’re working 12 hr days 4-6 days a week, sometimes, it can be really easy to let your fitness standards be put to the side and bit. Unlike most of the rest of the US Army, where fitness is scheduled into your work day as part of your normal duty day Monday through Friday. Meddac doesn’t do things in that same manner. Most the regular Army comes to formation at 0630, PT’s for an hour, releases for hygiene and breakfast chow, with the expectation you will return by 0900 for morning company formation and accountability to start your normal duty day, then you generally dip out by 11:30 or 12 pm for an hour long lunch, and return for more work in the afternoon, sometimes cutting out by 4pm, sometimes 5 pm, depending on your op tempo, depending on deployment preparations, FTX, NTC, JRTC, etc., the Medical command tend to work you like an indentured servant. Your normal duty day generally starts at 0645, ends at 1915 hrs, and if you weren’t disciplined enough to PT on your own regularly, or if you’re a lower ranking NCO, you would be tasked to come in at 0400 hrs for PT, you PT with your Joe’s for an hour, go home for hygiene and breakfast and return by 0645, you get maybe a half hour for lunch, and you basically work from sun up till sundown at least 4 days every week. If you had good NCO’s and plenty of lower enlisted folks in your particular section, then they would try to give you at least two to three consecutive days off per week, but your schedule was often extremely unpredictable, and we were expected to always have our phones on 100% of the time. If a Civilian employee called out sick, or had to go on emergency leave, etc., it could be your day off but you might still get a call at 5:45 that morning telling you you had to go in to work. If you found yourself on the fat body program, aka Army Weight Control program, even on your days off you were expected to go in at 0400 hrs for physical fitness readiness. At least once or twice in any given month you would be tasked for additional duties like CQ or Staff duty NCO for 24 hours straight. On any given week my last five years I was in the service I averaged 60-80 hrs at work every week. But compared to having to pay for school to become an LPN on the civilian side where the costs can be as much as $20-30k dollars just to attend the training, i would say it’s still worth doing it in the military to avoid having to pay off that kind of debt when you get done with the training. There are a lot of predatory private institutions that offer the training but anything other than attending it at a Community College is a huge waste of money in my humble opinion.
As a former 92M or us older guys 57F. This MOS has it ups and downs, you may enlist and never see a body and others like me that have handled hundreds. If you want to get to JPAC forget it until you make E6.
What is JPAC?
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Joint personnel Accounting Office, Hickam AFB.
As infantry we are just moving away from COIN, we aren’t always kicking in door we can adapt to any mission set given
Honestly anyone can be an infantryman but an infantryman can’t be an artillery man or engineer,etc
@@FancySeeingYouHere anyone can be an infantryman? Lmao show me how to manipulate all of our weapon systems or pass a pt test above standard 💀
@@kelleyboi4518 you can take a non infantry soldier put them in a infantry squad and turn them into a proficient infantryman in days. We’ve been doing this since at least WW2. However, it takes a lot more to turn a infantryman into a Forward Observer or Cannoneer. PT test mean absolutely nothing with the functionality of the jobs. A PT test doesn’t equate to combat. We rely on that test so heavily to validate our egos.
@@FancySeeingYouHere you can teach a job to anyone. I’ve deployed with FO that can give a call for fire class to a group of infantryman and practice it to know the ins and outs. I can have a line medic teach us everything we need to know above being CLS certified. All on top of not being a fat lazy pog like everyone else 🤷🏼♂️
@@kelleyboi4518I respect all 11Bs
Eventhough that was my dream, I chose MOS 92S because I didn't want to miss 2 semesters of college.
91E here. Not a thing you mentioned is wrong. When I get to do my job I love every second of it and it’s kinda nice not having to weld every single day bc then I’d hate it and get burnt out. I enjoy being the problem solver to the jobs the bravos can’t do. Getting a big job completed is super satisfying because it’s usually something that benefits not only you but others as well. And I’ll be damned if I turn a wrench on a humvee lol. Nothing you say will convince me it’s not the best job I ever had though. If you’re thinking about joining as a 91E do it. We all work well together and the knowledge I’ve gained in my years can’t be matched. Thanks for the video!
Come to think of it, 10 years in the Army as an 88M and I never seen anything get welded. Nor do I recall meeting an 91E.
I'm a 91E
How’d you like being an 88m?
Joining national guard and heavily considering this.
Don’t want to be indoors/office setting and it does transfer to civilian life if something else I do doesn’t work out.
@@anthonyfletcher8053 it was a great job if you can get in a foward support company. Yes you can get your CDL when you get out. Trust me it's not the same. Driving on post, training areas, or deployment is not like driving as a civilian.
@@420vet sweet! Thanks for your input. For a civilian career I’m looking at HVAC or plumbing and 88M as a “hobby”/life escape 😂
I'm ex Navy (Australian) but I will never forget the advice I read given by a WW2 veteran father to a son wanting to join the Army.. "Forget Infantry...get into the Artillery, the biggest guns possible...Railway guns if you can" LOL
The only job for 11b that transitions well is contracting for a private military.
As a retired Food Service Specialist. I enjoyed the hours and dealing with the job. I took personal pride in the food WE served.
While stationed at Ft. Carson we could not win the local Chili Cook off, but we got more votes than all the others.
To graduate 11B training, you gotta march 25 miles in 12 hours. And lots and lots of running.
Which translates to nothing in the civilian world
@@Milky44private sector exists
@@pickledblowfish6178 what job are you gonna get with 11b
@@Milky44 pmc. They're a dime a dozen at present. Operating damn near everywhere on the planet.
@@pickledblowfish6178 good for them, hope they enjoy pulling security
I was a 92F petroleum supply specialist, but my unit was air cav. When we deployed to Iraq I got to hot refuel all kinds of rotary aircraft, and cross-train with armament to help load rockets in the OH-58 Kiowas we had...it was pretty freakin' sweet.
A 92F could end up most anywhere. I was one for a MLRS unit and for all intents and purposes, I was part of that Arty unit. Other fuelers I went to school with ended up in every unit in the Army that ran on JP-8, which is all of them.
They said I had to get 92s because it was “the only thing available “😂😂
They tried to pull that on me when I was joining and I said I was not joining then and then all of a sudden they had some other MOS's open up. lol
@@christopherchaos exact same thing happened to me at MEPS I was like say less I'll call my recruiter to pick me up next thing you know I landed a sweet MOS
@@hazardltg what MOS did you get?
@@revolve9073 something on the medical side that involves air conditioning and a desk
@@hazardltg 68X?
In the Air Force we had the chow halls open 4 meals a day. We ran 24/7 so they made midnight chow. We never had a holiday or down time, I was on a SAC alert base.
I have never anywhere seen a comparison of Army cooks vs Air Force cooks. While obviously being a cook in the military (even moreso than a civilian cook) sucks no matter what branch you are in, I assume, maybe wrongly, than an Air Force cook does not have it quite as badly as an Army cook would have it, even with the fact that an Air Force chow hall might have 4 meals a day instead of 3.
I have read that when an Air Force "services" (cook) isn't cooking in the chow hall, he or she is working in a gym or a hotel being a maid. Maybe I'm wrong, *but that doesn't sound NEAR as terrible* as an Army cook sweating or freezing their butts off in a motorpool doing connex layouts (which is what a lot of soldiers of various MOS do) in addition to nonstop layouts scrubbing down, or slaving away for weeks in the field, having to get up even earlier (like at 3 in the morning instead of 5), and also being randomly pulled and tasked to do really stupid nonsense (like digging a hole and just sitting in the hole for eight hours guarding a gun.
And also I can imagine Air Force cook NCO's don't play near as many fuck fuck games with lower enlisted as Army cook NCO's do, And there have been multiple times in my experience when Army cook NCO's who were in a more asshole mood would just follow barracks soldiers to the barracks for surprise room inspections and GI parties and fuck fuck games regardless of how clean their rooms are.
I can't imagine it would be QUITE this bad in the Air Force since unmarried enlisted Air Force, according to every source I've come across, is guaranteed ,across the board , to be allowed to move out of the barracks ('dorms") at the rank of e4 and in some cases even e3, as opposed to the Army''s e6 with some cases MAYBE e5.
In AIT at fort lee, for DFAC (chow hall or mess hall or whatever you call cafeteria) training, there were all the branches together (not in the same classes of course), but later, Army did field training and we saw only us there. I might be wrong but that gave me the impression that Air Force cooks, like so many people in the Air Force in general, don't even go to the field and have to deal with things like setting up or breaking down the field kitchen trailers in pouring rain and mud everywhere. Obviously I would tell someone who says they want to be a cook in the military "dont do it" but I also say "if you insist on it, do it in the Air Force NOT the Army because while Air Force is still going to suck, it's not going to suck near AS TERRIBLE as Army' Could you confirm or deny?
Don't get the idea that i'm try to play a 'army is tougher' or 'oppression olympics' game, but i'm just trying to get a comparison of Air force cooks vs Army cooks since i haven't seen any detail on the difference anywhere online out of all these years now.
@@golfery5119 I was an SP. we did nuclear security. I was an M 60 gunner and 203 man before becoming a fire team leader. We were like the Army. When we had days off we were trading or doing PT or on a ruck. The rest of the AF, outside of special opps, was not like that. I don’t think one of our cooks would ever be at the motor pool. You did your job and that’s it, unless maybe your were in trouble. Your Sgt. Didn’t inspected your dorm room. We’re had dorms like college. Two to a room, two rooms adjoined with a bathroom in between. Each squadron had it own down, so my dorm was all cops. We even had an armory in ours. Each door had a manager, normally a bachelor Sgt or SSGT. They helped you out, made sure everything works, made sure you had supplies. The first shirt or commanders inspected the dorms. The service is the service, but the AF treats their people a lot better than the Army. Trained with some Army guys a few times. I was so glad I we AF. Their gear was junk, they were under supplied and everyone treated each other like shit. If you had one strip over the next guy you were fair game. My fire team was just that, a team. We did everything together. The AF was like that when I was in. Everything was the mission and teamwork.
I’m a 92M and I love it but it’s not for everyone
Props to you. Im sure its not easy.
Same here! Not too many of us out there
I met a few 92M trainees, at Fort Lee, last year, and I just had to commend for choosing such a mentally tough MOS.
100% spot on with your description of the cook MOS. I loved the Army life but I HATED being a cook. 14 hours days standing on concrete and people constantly complaining, working every holiday and not being able to change jobs because you can only move to a job where the Army needs you more than where you currently are, plus when I did qualify for another job they conveniently lost my paperwork. Then after 4 years, leaving the Army with a skill to only be a short order cook barely making minimum wage. I would NEVER tell anyone to join the Army to do this. Do ANYTHING else, Thank god for the GI Bill. You want to talk about motivation for this high school drop out to go back to school and earn a couple Masters Degrees and make something of himself. The advice I got from my dad about being a cook was SOOOO wrong, unless you want to say it taught me to appreciate doing anything else.
Military Police should be on this list. Worse schedule than cooks, but you get some of that risk for combat support gigs as well when you aren't working 6 or 7 days straight with one or two off working the law enforcement work cycle at all hours of day and night. Civilian law enforcement is not the smartest job to take, but far better than the Army version, and you can always leave the worst department for a life quality and pay upgrade. No one should take this job now since it's easy to get a job in civilian law enforcement with zero experience so long as you are sober breathing non felon without a psychotic history.
💯 agree with the 91-Exho.
On deployment our welder was told to grab a wrench 🔧 and start removing the 1/2 shafts. He found himself in the turret pulling security for our resupply missions. Not much welding.
I was a 92G and hours did suck. We had to do guard duties on top of it. A couple of times I didn’t sleep for days. When I got deployed I had one day off a week that I often had to give up to support other details. I was replaced by civilians and I ended up doing headcount mostly. A couple off holidays we talked officer’s and high ncos into serving so we would have off. I got stuck with CQ on those days.
I was a 91J Quartermaster Chemical Repairer and only time I got to work on the Water purification machine in Camp Dodge Iowa and that was twice the whole time I was in the National Guard
Chris, great job for your list. I was surprised by the last one and you convinced me the end. I missed 92 S for just one number. Love being 91 S and I enjoy doing my MOS, everyday. I also love how the Army loves 91 S qualified soldiers and how they try to find more recruits to fill in the those slots and needs. Go Strykers!
did the 92M version in the Air Force....as we say regardless of branch of service, "there is always room for one more at the bottom in our MOS".
I was in twice, the first time was 54B (Now 74D NBC specialist) for 3 years then came back a year and a half later as an 11M. In both case, I went to a warzone for 6 months. Both turned out to be pretty useless professions in the civilian life. No one really wants to be an EPA specialist or a security guard.
Really enjoyed this video.
Your point of view on these mos is totally respected, but there’s so much potential behind each of these job; specifically after serving.
What you make out of your blessings and skills is 💯 % up to you.
Thank you for getting these mos on the spot. Keep them coming.
#PETIVOYAGER 🇨🇲🇺🇸
Maybe the laundry guys (92S) are learning a future tailor job? It looked like they may learn more than taking care of cleaning clothes.And setting up showers would be learning about plumbing. Just saying. Thanks for another great video
A Navy aircraft mechanic in the 80s I was standing next to a guy in the chow line on the Independence he was proud of the fact that he had just made 3rd class (e-4) for the second time. He probably made CPO.
Oh he was a bosenmate spelling
I had the mindset of being a 11b and get my hard years in and then reenlist into a less suck MOS
Was waiting to see 12K on here.
Wow things have changed when I was with 2/87INF as an 11B we were always deployed, of course that’s back in 1989-1993.
Mortician as a rough MOS is true. I once knew a 91B (light wheeled mechanic) who got put onto a detail handling bodies while in Kuwait. He developed PTSD due to constantly handling mutilated corpses.
Of course 92G is there. After all, what is a favorite/hated punishment in the army? KP
We had a saying in the Navy "Choose your Rate (That Navy for MOS), Choose your fate!"
My recruiter tried to offer 92G as my first MOS pick after infantry. I studied culinary arts prior to any military experience, and I told him "anything but that. No grunt work, but literally anything but that".
I knew someone who was a water purifier, but basically stood in as a generator mechanic or something.
if you're gonna be in the 91 series, just expect to be cross trained. I was a 91B and I still got 91L experience.
If you wanna work on food might join a fast food job like McDonald’s
as a retired 92M I will pass on that if you ever get overwhelmed, they will allow you to reclass at any time.
Chris, I've been working my way through some of your videos and enjoying them. I bet you have corrected this by now, but your light ring is reflecting w/o back lighting. Look forward to watching more and have subscribed. BTW, I never served, but tried to join in '75 and was disqualified on medical (eyes) for helicopter pilot training. I watch your vids for what I missed!