Great comprehensive review of the Lee Loader. Clear photography and instructions from start to finish. Very helpful to beginners. Includes steps others have left off. Great work.
This is the best step-by-step video for the Lee Classic Loader for handguns (as I ave watched several). Thank you! I picked up an old loader for a .380 Auto at a pawn shop and was trying to do some loads and kept bending the rim of the casing. Once he explained the use of the flaring tool, it all made sense. Finding the tool is another issue, which I was finally able to do by ordering it directly from Lee. Thanks again!
I love the LEE precision reloading tools. They are affordable and fun, and it only takes a few minutes to learn them. Nice video. I hope folks understand that as you use this loader, a person can realistically load a new round in less than a minute.
Great video ! It would have been real easy to make this one a snooze fest but it was actually very well presented and informative . Makes me want to reload .
Very helpful video, thanks! I have been reloading on a Lee Single Stage press for awhile now and also had one of these Lee Loader kits on hand but haven't used it up until now; your step-by-step instructions were perfect...thank you!
Awhile back, Roy Huntington posted a similar article in American Handgunner, and got me interested in reloading, but I can buy 9mm locally for less than 10$ a box of 50. But I am now considering picking up a .357 magnum, and I might consider reloading .38 specials for practice rounds. This video reinforced what Roy wrote, in a very practical way. And in a very complete and understandable way, also. Thanks for an easy to understand video. The only thing I would seriously have to consider adding would be a priming tool. Not so much for speed, as for the fact that I don't think I would like smacking on primers with anything, even though I know it is safe.
This is AWESOME. I just got my entire set up, and this video is GREAT! Thank you! I'm retired, have A LOT of time on my hands, so doing this the slow way, is no problem.
Dear colleague, the best video ! many thanks for your very kind advices. I am starting in the reloading world and this manual reloading will be perfect to my purposes this moment. Big hug from a Brazilian shooter. All the best
Nice tutorial. I can tell you actually know what your doing. Thanks for doing this video for the newbies to get started. Lee loaders are cheap to get started and make for good portable reloading kits. I’m a new subscriber by the way.
I bought one of these in 1974?, I believe?, and I still have it. One negative thing about these kits is they only (neck size) and this works fine if you shoot the reloads in the same gun, but if you try and shoot the loads in a different gun the cartridge might be too tight in the chamber. I have reloaded thousands of rounds with this little kit over the years.
One of the best videos about the lee loader. You mentioned hand priming tool - it is a good addition to this reloading kit. I love my SINCLAIR PRIMING TOOL but the lee's one will do the job just fine and is reasonably priced. I will add only case prep step with the cheap but good CASE CONDITIONING COMBO from lee - some case trimming, some primer pocket cleaning, some chamfering... For people in small apartments without space for reloading bench /like me/ the options are: the lee loader, the Breech Lock Hand Press and some kind of small arbor press /SINCLAIR ARBOR PRESS for an example/ with set of dies like l.e.wilson . p.s. Is a good idea to use just a little bit of imperial sizing wax before resizing? Have a nice day.
Vey nice tutorial! I have always wondered how this tool worked, it looks just the thing for load development at the range. Many thanks for posting. Chris.
With practice and experience... you can get fairly fast with these (roughly 1 round every 45 seconds). Not quite as fast as a press... but good enough.
The Lee Loader system is not too bad for loading rifle, but for pistol/revolver rounds it is painfully slow. I use a progressive press to make the bulk of my .38 reloads.
Digger D whatch another video I’ve seen guys do them in seconds this guys video is not good in my opinion he goes on about the table it’s a terrible table to go on he had to hit primmer about 20 times should only take one maybe two firm taps
I started reading in 1973 with one of these. Actually, it worked quite well. My S&W would shoot these handloads under less than 3 inch groups at 25 yards.
The only real downside to one of these sets is the time required to produce a box of ammo, as you note the performance of loads put together with a Lee Loader can be quite good.
Awesome video. IM about to try some 44 Mag reloading later this week when all my components arrive. I've watched several videos using this Lee loader, this has to be one of my favorites. Thumbs up!~~John
Plano makes these waterproof cases called "Waterproof Stowaway" that have a size that is perfect for putting your reloading dies in. Last year I got a Lee New Autoprime and just looked into it and quite a few of the shell holders were starting to rust! When you're done reloading, mist some lite oil over the dies, toss in a moisture absorbent pack and seal it up in a Stowaway!
I used to load 44mag with one of these and I found the little powder scoop incredibly inconsistent. If you use one of these, consider a scale to measure the powder. It will also give you the flexibility to fine tune your load with different powders.
+MrMotoden the scoops can be consistent or inconstant depending on the users technique and the powder used, some powders dont measure well, so a scale may be the answer to those hard to measure powders.
I just found your video and watched it twice already. I have been using a Classic Reloader for a .243 with good results. And now, I just got my .38 special Classic Reloader. I just finished with my first bullet. I used a 125 gr Berry Target Hollow Point. I'm concerned that I didn't have to seat the bullet very far to get it to the same length as a factory bullet. And I crimped it to the point it looks close enough to any crimp on the factory bullet. Very good video!
As I'm sure you know there are quite a vast array of different bullet weights/shapes/sizes that can be used for reloading the .38 Special. As a result seating depths can vary quite a lot. As long as your loaded rounds are not longer than the maximum specification, and they have a secure crimp, you should be OK.
Good idea. Some folks who load several different bullet weights or shapes will keep a "dummy" round for a given bullet to help speed up setting up seating depths quickly.
Now I know how to use my .45 Lee Loader I ordered so many years ago but have never pulled out of the box. Guess it's easier to head for my bench mounted Lee O frame press. Looks like a lot of fun though. I remember Lee recommending it partly as a fun way to shoot and reload right at the range with the modicum of a few simple components. As your vid progressed I kept thinking 'okay the die is an all-in-one resizing-depriming-repriming-case mouth expanding-powder through the expander die,die... but where's the crimp die'? Then you flipped the die over and I almost fell out of my chair! Lee you're a genius! I gotta say though when you started hammering on that primer I almost ducked for cover! I don't know if I have the nerve for that maneuver!
+steelgila I dont care for the primer seating method, but it's what you have to do if you use only the kit. Most of my priming is done with the Lee Auto prime, which is a very good piece of equipment.
Great video! I happened to pick one of these up today, an older one in the cardboard box, clearly '70s marketing look. I didn't even know Lee or anyone had a "one off" loader like this. I've reloaded but on a friends setup some 30+ years ago and have always shied away cause of the expense of going "full boar" on a setup. I got the set 'cause it was cheap and the idea was neat and it was in good condition... I'll actually be using it now after watching this video! I have a pretty old Smith Mod10 5 screw that I've always been afraid of firing modern ammo through. I figure this would allow me to make the few light rounds I'd need to plink a bit. Thanks whoever you are!
While I do like Lee Loader sets they are a bit slow to use for the amount of pistol ammo that I use, but if used for a low amount of loading they are sufficient. I would advise getting a bit of proper case lube to use rather than the wax used in the video, using proper case lube reduces the amount of force needed to size and extract the cases from the dies.
Thanks for the informative video. Recently got the .38 special lee loader and have loaded 200 rounds so far. My instructions say to lube the cases. I use bag balm. Seems to size with much less hammering. Haven't set off any primers.
+Robert Fory My vintage instructions state that "larger cases may be lubricated" and suggest rubbing cases with paraffin (wax). I've no doubt that lubing the cases will make sizing easier, however you then need to remove the lubricant when you are done.
Watching you adjust and tap the bullet seater reminds me of exactly the same process when reloading on my Lee O frame press. I back out my bullet seating die and then start levering the press handle which reciprocates the ram.Check OAL of ctg.(or eyeball and see how many bearing bands are still protruding atop the case mouth), and just continue repeating that process over and over.
thanks for taking out the mystery out of reloading.i bought a Lee breech lock kit but i know that there is other items needed that did not come in the kit. figured .38s. would be a good round to start with. thanks
Just seeing I commented 7 yrs. ago, lol. I've come a long way reloading spending thousands on presses n equipment powders primers ect.... On vacation in Florida in 75 degree weather and still looking for small pistol primers for under 90 bucks....Wish the Canadian government would boot out their PM.... Merry Christmas to you n your Family.....be well. MB.
Don't worry about blowing a primer when setting...it WILL happen....but follow the directions....I've loaded .308 Win with one of these for many years. They are good, practical kits for the casual shooter....but slow for a volume loader...but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. You pay more attention, and I'd bet the loads are more consistent and accurate than volume loading machines/presses. Jake
If you don't have a real firm surface on which to hammer, here's what Richard Lee does. Below is a link to him reloading a bottle neck round. The sizing operation he does holding the die off the table in his hand. Other hammmering operations are done using a steel plate resting on a sponge pad. Also, it was very quiet. Reloading with a Lee Loader
be neat to also see 357 and 38S&W done. but I own a 44mag leeloader and a hand held case trimmer for 44mag Lee sold. plus 2 different era 222 Rem Mag lee loader sets with different charge charts for each showing different charges for same loads. be nice if you have the sets to do a video on other odd cartridge sie lee loaders like these and 444, 45-70 etc. did they make a 28ga lee loader? I have owned many for odd size guns over the years but made the mistake of letting them go with gun when sold before Lee started discontinuing them (Cabela's still stocks a few new sets for common calibers at about $36) also the Load al/ls have gone way up in price since beginning to discontinue that line and many parts no longer available. I always did prefer having portable hand reloading kits for my Guns for prepping and when ammo became very hard to find for many. love your instructional videos as it helps reassure We are using these tools correctly.
Thanks for the comment. I might do more Lee Loader video's as there seems to be an audience for these video's. I found an expired listing on ebay for a 28 gauge loader so they do exist: www.ebay.com/itm/294478203205?nma=true&si=A7G5gFQkVoJfqZ%252FxdMOAxOP5%252Bi0%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
This is my go to video! Thanks for making this! I just got my .38 Lee loader in the mail today, I was excited because my local gun shop carries the UNIQUE, and by your load chart on your video..it shows the load chart for 158 gr. bullet and 125 gr. bullet would both use UNIQUE with the supplied dipper. To my surprise, my load chart differs from yours, and it doesn't even list Unique, just SR4756 which is no longer in production for 158 gr. lead bullet! And it also shows IMR TRAIL BOSS..As for the 125 gr. it shows only IMR 700X ? I plan on using the UNIQUE powder. The only thing listed for UNIQUE on these new .38 lee loaders is for 125 Gr. XTP bullet only? I am assuming I can follow the older instructions and still use UNIQUE with this supplied dipper for both the 158 and 125 gr. cast lead bullet? Thank you so much for your time on this...I am just so tired of buying 38 specials, when I know this will pay for itself.
I see no reason why you could not use the Unique data published in the older charge table, as long as you have the .5cc dipper you should be able to use the older data for the Unique powder. Lee of course updates and changes the charge tables every so often. There is limited room on the charge card for loads so they leave out older loads in favor of new data that they think may be of interest to their customers.
i put a cinder block on my bench and it cuts down the noise significantly when i’m hammering the cartridge to resize it. my neighbours were getting annoyed at all the banging at 4am, problem solved.
Back in the day, you could get a full length resizing die for the 38 spl/357 mag. Another interesting thing about the die in your kit, it is the same die that came in the 9mm kit, that is why it doesn't size the bottom of the case.
But, if I were in a hurry I'd own a progressive press or even an automatic one. So much for saving money when reloading. Just have to make do with my single stage press.
***** I shoot a fair amount of .38 Spl and I load it on a Lee 1000 progressive, for .357 I load it on a single stage press which is less hassle than readjusting my dies on the progressive.
Outstanding young man!!! No 4. You did not use a sizing wax. Makes sizing a little easier. Perhaps when you really reload you use a carbide die???? Thanks
+lyle inmb I load the vast majority of my .38's on a progressive press equipped with carbide sizing die. Thousands of rounds would be just too slow for the Lee Loader.
Great video. I just got into reloading, found one of these sitting on the shelf of my local gun store in 44-40, which is a cartridge I shoot quite a bit with my Henry Original 44-40 rifle (the new gun, not THE original Henry rifle lol). It really is simple to use, I too cringe when I tap in a primer using this kit, but I figure if you have eye protection and whatnot it's not going to do much damage. Just scare he hell out of ya...the bullet seating process looks easy and the little tool the cartridge sits in while seating the bullet has a wide enough hole that the chance of contacting the primer during this part of the process is slim to none...unless there's a spent primer under it that isn't seen...which would be quite unfortunate HAHA! These things appear to be getting harder to find every day, I still can't believe I just happened upon the 44-40 version, been looking for a cheap way to load for 44-40 for awhile and get into the hobby.
+MikeyFraz1 You should clean the brass prior to reloading. Wiping it off with a rag dampened with paint thinner works well for the quantities of brass that a lee loader will be used with.
I'm not sure why. But I find this reloading tool fascinating. I have just bought one for my 357 magnum. I load AP but dying to do it with the Lee Classic reloader.
In the late 70's is when they switched to this style of box. Your charge card has the year date of 1980 in the lower left corner. Your charge card also has a typo. At about 1:55 you can see in the 3rd section down it lists the bullet weight as 150-125, this is incorrect. Lee lists the smaller bullet then the larger bullet. This might have supposed to have been 125-150 but I suspect that it was probably supposed to read 105-125. I don't think I have a kit near this era in 38 spl to compare it to.
Using the 38 special kit , would it reload a 38 long colt. Smaller brass ,less black powder, 110 gr lead bullets, same diameter. Like the hand press, simple , no hurry, thanks for the demo on hand reloading.
I think you ought to be able to reload 38 Long Colt with a .38 Special Lee Loader, although I admit I have never done so myself. The only issue I would anticipate is with crimping, you might have to apply a crimp without the use of the de-capping base in order to get the die to go down far enough on the shorter case. If you try it please let us know how well it works out for you.
I have to say I'd prefer having the seating-depth adjustment on the seating rod even for rifle - it makes me nervous to have set the depth and then to be banging on the die for all it's worth to resize the next case - how do I know something hasn't shifted? I have a collet neck sizing die now, so the Lee Loader goes back on the shelf into well-earned semi-retirement, but even before it arrived I'd started batch-sizing all of my cases and getting all the heavy hammering out of the way before the fine adjustments got made.
Thanks 314299 Shooting Channel! This is an awesome vid! One question though, i want to reload with jacketed rounds, are there any issues with veering away from the cast lead?
The beauty of this is it's simplicity, low cost, familiarity & learning the process, and can be done anywhere, with utmost care. Enjoy the process and not worry about volume. Can do this listening to the radio or TV , and cautiously teaching the kids or grandkids (supervised) - a family thing. The kids might "mic" for proper shell lengths and check dimensions for quality control and enjoy being involved. Wrong ?
Yes, that is the way the instructions say to use it, however if used upside down it takes longer before it gets full of used primers and need to be emptied.
Thanks for a great lesson. I've got plenty of ammo that I have produced/ assembled. This is a really good " oh shit ! I need rounds and am far from the safety of my shop....all one needs to keep ammo that could fit in a small tote bag....
this was a great video....I have a Lee Loader .38 on the way from Midway... I have a Lee press for my rifle cartridges, but this looks easier for pistol.
Enjoyed and learned lots! Thank you for your time and great tutorial. Any recommendations on a good place to order primers, powder and the other necessities needed?
+KravenMoorehead Thanks. I generally pick up powder and primers at local gun shops and at gun shows. Occasionally some local guys do "group buys" and order from Higginsons Powders, but that is here in Canada. Perhaps some American viewers can recommend good places to order from in the USA.
I am brand new to reloading and bought a Lee Classic Reloader for 45 colt. Your video has been the most thorough so far. Of the dozens of videos I have watched so far nobody has mentioned cleaning the used brass. Is this something everyone assumes you should know to do or is it something you don't have to do? Just wandering since all the videos state that everything you need is in the kit but a rubber or plastic hammer. A cartridge cleaning tumbler is never mentioned. Any help is appreciated. Some people may want to make fun of me for not knowing this, that's fine I've got thick skin.
You dont need a case tumbler to clean your brass, a cloth with a bit of solvent (I use paint thinner) on it works fine to clean cases. The big issue is to remove any grit/sand to keep it from damaging your brass and die.
Very cool. I'm thinking of picking up one of these reloaders for both .38spl and .357 magnum soon to get into reloading. Just don't have the space for a fancy press so I think one of these will be perfect for me.
+Kyle Clark Another option to consider if you dont have room for a regular press is the Lee Hand press, they use regular dies so if you do eventually get a "regular" press you can still use the same reloading dies.
Wow! Just what I always wanted. This is perfect! I assume that, since .38s and .357s are just different size versions of one another, this kit'll work for the magnum rounds too? Just put in the magnum primers, right?
I have never loaded .357 with my .38 set, but it should be possible with some adjustment to the bullet seating and of course the correct powder dipper and load chart.
Beautifully, slowly explained. You've no idea how many videos lack any explanation of their steps.( Confusing ) However, isn't it best to "mic" your casings, steps in construction, final bullets after completion ? Basically, just take your time. A good micrometer should be of help. No ? Thanks for posting.
+Walter Palmer It never hurts to have a caliper handy to measure things, but it's not really necessary. I've never seen a .38 special case get longer than is safe, or even enough to require trimming. Straight sided pistol cases rarely need trimming, unlike bottleneck rifle cases.
The 9x19 is also a lot more difficult the reload than .38 as it is tapered case and therefore requires a lot more effort to size, in fact one pretty much has to put case lubricate on the 9mm case when using the lee loader,while the 38 does not require it.
My next question was about crimping and clearly it does that well too. When you hammered the case into the die body, was that supposed to resize the case?
Nice video just got one of these for 45 colt but after watching i fear i may have been a little heavy handed on the roll crimp. And out of an SAA it might increase pressure alot. Luckily i only loaded the starting load so ill try these then be more careful with the higher loads.
I doubt your heavy crimp will give a significant increase in pressure, a solid crimp helps keep the bullet in place while the powder gets burning but it quickly "lets go" of the bullet as soon as pressure has increased to the level where the bullet starts moving.
Thanks for the video, very clear and concise :) Just one question, why would you reload like this? Are there any benefits, like trying out reload types on range or something?
Once you get a rhythm going using one of these kits is actually a lot faster than people might think, especially compared to how slow I'm doing it in the video.
Any cost effective kit you would recommend for doing the work on a portable bench at the outdoor shooting range? I'd love to shoot about 200 rounds per week, but I don't want to spend more than 3 hours on reloading each week.
I really dont think you would want to reload a weeks worth of ammo at the range, that's more of a home/shop level of production. A Lee turret press with powder measure and a set of carbide dies would easily get you your 200 rounds a week in a couple hours.
Good video. I have them for all calibers I reload for though I have a good bench set up. Saw a video of Dick Lee, yeah that Dick Lee, reloading a . 308 in less than a minute.
Am I right to assume this can be used for 357 Mag as well? or is it a different kit ? I guess the only difference might be the resizing die , but somehow it looks like it can be used for both calibers.
+mac swimfan I have never seen a 38 special case that required trimming, they just dont seem to get longer, probably due to the low pressures of the .38 Spl and the straight case.
Lee no longer makes the priming tool that I prefer but they do make a new version of it: leeprecision.com/new-auto-prime.html There are lots of sources to buy these, places such as MIdway USA, Cabella's, local gun shops, etc.
what type of powder would you recomend for a target shooting load in an older revolver? i like something with a little bite so i feel like im actually shooting something other than a 22.
thanks a lot for the fast response and the good advice! is the powder dipper included in the lee kit sufficient or should i get a scale too? i'd like to spend as little cash as possible
Wish we lived in a world where every tutorial was this well thought out and shot.
Thanks.
Great comprehensive review of the Lee Loader. Clear photography and instructions from start to finish. Very helpful to beginners. Includes steps others have left off. Great work.
Thank you.
This is the best step-by-step video for the Lee Classic Loader for handguns (as I ave watched several). Thank you! I picked up an old loader for a .380 Auto at a pawn shop and was trying to do some loads and kept bending the rim of the casing. Once he explained the use of the flaring tool, it all made sense. Finding the tool is another issue, which I was finally able to do by ordering it directly from Lee. Thanks again!
The flaring tool is often missing in used sets, I'm not sure if Lee always included it or if it was an optional extra.
I love the LEE precision reloading tools. They are affordable and fun, and it only takes a few minutes to learn them. Nice video. I hope folks understand that as you use this loader, a person can realistically load a new round in less than a minute.
Yes demonstrating and explaining take a lot longer than just actually loading using the set.
An excellent tutorial and refresher course. Clear, concise, and no points deducted for being Canadian! Great job!
Thanks, I think. Happy US Independence day.
Great video ! It would have been real easy to make this one a snooze fest but it was actually very well presented and informative . Makes me want to reload .
+cronos222 Thanks for the feedback!
I like the slow reloading of empties. I think I will try this loader.
Bennett Patten While slow it's still a better use of time than watching TV!
EXCELLENT demonstration of the classic Lee Loader. Thank you!
You are welcome.
Very helpful video, thanks! I have been reloading on a Lee Single Stage press for awhile now and also had one of these Lee Loader kits on hand but haven't used it up until now; your step-by-step instructions were perfect...thank you!
I'm glad to hear you found the video useful. Thanks for the comment.
Awhile back, Roy Huntington posted a similar article in American Handgunner, and got me interested in reloading, but I can buy 9mm locally for less than 10$ a box of 50. But I am now considering picking up a .357 magnum, and I might consider reloading .38 specials for practice rounds. This video reinforced what Roy wrote, in a very practical way. And in a very complete and understandable way, also. Thanks for an easy to understand video. The only thing I would seriously have to consider adding would be a priming tool. Not so much for speed, as for the fact that I don't think I would like smacking on primers with anything, even though I know it is safe.
This is AWESOME. I just got my entire set up, and this video is GREAT! Thank you! I'm retired, have A LOT of time on my hands, so doing this the slow way, is no problem.
Glad to hear you like the video, I hope your reloading efforts are successful.
@@314299 Thanks. Yeah, it's working great. Only forgot the powder in ONE so far. lol. damn!
@@georgeplimpton9429 Yeah that can happen. An inertia bullet puller is nice to have on hand to help salvage the occasional mistake.
@@314299 Got one on the way!
Dear colleague, the best video ! many thanks for your very kind advices. I am starting in the reloading world and this manual reloading will be perfect to my purposes this moment. Big hug from a Brazilian shooter. All the best
I'm glad you found the video of use, best of success with your reloading efforts.
I love these little kits. I feel like an old mountain man boomer or something when I use mine. It's like reloading in a time machine...
They are great for those times that you are not in a hurry.
Nice tutorial. I can tell you actually know what your doing. Thanks for doing this video for the newbies to get started. Lee loaders are cheap to get started and make for good portable reloading kits. I’m a new subscriber by the way.
Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for the feedback and for subscribing.
I bought one of these in 1974?, I believe?, and I still have it. One negative thing about these kits is they only (neck size) and this works fine if you shoot the reloads in the same gun, but if you try and shoot the loads in a different gun the cartridge might be too tight in the chamber. I have reloaded thousands of rounds with this little kit over the years.
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One of the best videos about the lee loader.
You mentioned hand priming tool - it is a good addition to this reloading kit.
I love my SINCLAIR PRIMING TOOL but the lee's one will do the job just fine and is reasonably priced.
I will add only case prep step with the cheap but good CASE CONDITIONING COMBO from lee - some case trimming, some primer pocket cleaning, some chamfering...
For people in small apartments without space for reloading bench /like me/ the options are:
the lee loader,
the Breech Lock Hand Press
and
some kind of small arbor press /SINCLAIR ARBOR PRESS for an example/ with set of dies like l.e.wilson .
p.s. Is a good idea to use just a little bit of imperial sizing wax before resizing?
Have a nice day.
***** Sizing wax will certainly reduce the amount of force required to get a case into and out of the die.
Got mine when I lived in Texas back in 1983. I miss old San Antonio
Be nice to go back to 1983...
This video got me started on reloading! Logical, complete, and great video shots.
I'm glad to hear that. Have you moved up to using a regular reloading press yet?
Exalent video, very nice clear close up shots with exceptional narration. Looking forward to more of your videos. Thsnks
You are welcome.
Vey nice tutorial! I have always wondered how this tool worked, it looks just the thing for load development at the range. Many thanks for posting. Chris.
+Englishman French You are welcome, thanks for commenting.
Clear and thorough. Nice job on a classic rig.
Thanks.
With practice and experience... you can get fairly fast with these (roughly 1 round every 45 seconds). Not quite as fast as a press... but good enough.
Yes, they are quicker to use in reality than they seem to be when used in a demonstration such as in this video.
This was my first method to reload about 55 years ago. Still very good for keeping in a survival gear supply.
Nice and compact for that purpose.
This video has convinced me to go with the hand press system :)
What a pain ... ;)
The Lee Loader system is not too bad for loading rifle, but for pistol/revolver rounds it is painfully slow. I use a progressive press to make the bulk of my .38 reloads.
Digger D whatch another video I’ve seen guys do them in seconds this guys video is not good in my opinion he goes on about the table it’s a terrible table to go on he had to hit primmer about 20 times should only take one maybe two firm taps
Boy that sure makes me appreciate my Loadmaster. Thanks for sharing.
I loaded up 300 .38 Special this weekend, I used my Pro 1000. The Lee Loaders are better for rifle rounds than pistol.
How easy! I ordered the Lee hand loader because I read it is faster than that kit! I have to wait 2 months to arrive thru amazon!
Reloading gear is out of stock most everywhere at the moment.
I started reading in 1973 with one of these. Actually, it worked quite well. My S&W would shoot these handloads under less than 3 inch groups at 25 yards.
The only real downside to one of these sets is the time required to produce a box of ammo, as you note the performance of loads put together with a Lee Loader can be quite good.
Awesome video. IM about to try some 44 Mag reloading later this week when all my components arrive. I've watched several videos using this Lee loader, this has to be one of my favorites. Thumbs up!~~John
WORRO01 Thanks, good luck with your .44 reloading.
Brass from full power magnum loads will require vigorous , repeated hammering . Not an inherent slam , just a heads up .
Plano makes these waterproof cases called "Waterproof Stowaway" that have a size that is perfect for putting your reloading dies in.
Last year I got a Lee New Autoprime and just looked into it and quite a few of the shell holders were starting to rust!
When you're done reloading, mist some lite oil over the dies, toss in a moisture absorbent pack and seal it up in a Stowaway!
Yes indeed a bit of oil on unprotected surfaces goes a long way in preventing rust.
I used to load 44mag with one of these and I found the little powder scoop incredibly inconsistent. If you use one of these, consider a scale to measure the powder. It will also give you the flexibility to fine tune your load with different powders.
+MrMotoden the scoops can be consistent or inconstant depending on the users technique and the powder used, some powders dont measure well, so a scale may be the answer to those hard to measure powders.
I just found your video and watched it twice already.
I have been using a Classic Reloader for a .243 with good results. And now, I just got my .38 special Classic Reloader. I just finished with my first bullet. I used a 125 gr Berry Target Hollow Point.
I'm concerned that I didn't have to seat the bullet very far to get it to the same length as a factory bullet. And I crimped it to the point it looks close enough to any crimp on the factory bullet.
Very good video!
As I'm sure you know there are quite a vast array of different bullet weights/shapes/sizes that can be used for reloading the .38 Special. As a result seating depths can vary quite a lot. As long as your loaded rounds are not longer than the maximum specification, and they have a secure crimp, you should be OK.
I use this same setup, caliber, and powder. I use a factory LRN round to adjust the bullet seating tool. Does help. Very good video 😊
Good idea. Some folks who load several different bullet weights or shapes will keep a "dummy" round for a given bullet to help speed up setting up seating depths quickly.
Now I know how to use my .45 Lee Loader I ordered so many years ago but have never pulled out of the box. Guess it's easier to head for my bench mounted Lee O frame press. Looks like a lot of fun though. I remember Lee recommending it partly as a fun way to shoot and reload right at the range with the modicum of a few simple components.
As your vid progressed I kept thinking 'okay the die is an all-in-one resizing-depriming-repriming-case mouth expanding-powder through the expander die,die... but where's the crimp die'? Then you flipped the die over and I almost fell out of my chair! Lee you're a genius! I gotta say though when you started hammering on that primer I almost ducked for cover! I don't know if I have the nerve for that maneuver!
+steelgila I dont care for the primer seating method, but it's what you have to do if you use only the kit. Most of my priming is done with the Lee Auto prime, which is a very good piece of equipment.
Great tutorial. In another “ like” video, the demonstrator used a method to size, and load the primer in one “ push”.
Great vid
True, you can do it that way but you loose a lot of "feel" when it comes to seating the new primer.
Great video! I happened to pick one of these up today, an older one in the cardboard box, clearly '70s marketing look. I didn't even know Lee or anyone had a "one off" loader like this. I've reloaded but on a friends setup some 30+ years ago and have always shied away cause of the expense of going "full boar" on a setup. I got the set 'cause it was cheap and the idea was neat and it was in good condition... I'll actually be using it now after watching this video! I have a pretty old Smith Mod10 5 screw that I've always been afraid of firing modern ammo through. I figure this would allow me to make the few light rounds I'd need to plink a bit.
Thanks whoever you are!
While I do like Lee Loader sets they are a bit slow to use for the amount of pistol ammo that I use, but if used for a low amount of loading they are sufficient. I would advise getting a bit of proper case lube to use rather than the wax used in the video, using proper case lube reduces the amount of force needed to size and extract the cases from the dies.
Thanks for the informative video. Recently got the .38 special lee loader and have loaded 200 rounds so far. My instructions say to lube the cases. I use bag balm. Seems to size with much less hammering. Haven't set off any primers.
+Robert Fory My vintage instructions state that "larger cases may be lubricated" and suggest rubbing cases with paraffin (wax). I've no doubt that lubing the cases will make sizing easier, however you then need to remove the lubricant when you are done.
Watching you adjust and tap the bullet seater reminds me of exactly the same process when reloading on my Lee O frame press. I back out my bullet seating die and then start levering the press handle which reciprocates the ram.Check OAL of ctg.(or eyeball and see how many bearing bands are still protruding atop the case mouth), and just continue repeating that process over and over.
Yes, it's basically the same procure as with a press mounted die.
Love my Lee loader. Great job explaining the steps …. now if only I could find some small pistol primers
Yes, finding small pistol primers can be quite a challenge at the moment.
thanks for taking out the mystery out of reloading.i bought a Lee breech lock kit but i know that there is other items needed that did not come in the kit. figured .38s. would be a good round to start with. thanks
MegaBait56 The .38 is a great round to start with, it's versatile and forgiving to load.
thanks my friend.
Just seeing I commented 7 yrs. ago, lol. I've come a long way reloading spending thousands on presses n equipment powders primers ect.... On vacation in Florida in 75 degree weather and still looking for small pistol primers for under 90 bucks....Wish the Canadian government would boot out their PM.... Merry Christmas to you n your Family.....be well. MB.
I've not seen this process before. You explained it very well, great video!
Thanks.
Don't worry about blowing a primer when setting...it WILL happen....but follow the directions....I've loaded .308 Win with one of these for many years. They are good, practical kits for the casual shooter....but slow for a volume loader...but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. You pay more attention, and I'd bet the loads are more consistent and accurate than volume loading machines/presses.
Jake
+Jake Bateman The lee website claims that a world record group was actually achieved using a lee loader. It stood for several years IIRC
+Jake Bateman I have been handloading for years, never had that happen
Had one go off recently. One tap too many setting the primer. Just went pop and threw some soot over the back of the cartridge and the primer seater.
That's how I started loading. Was in the cardboard box. Was in 308 Win and, yes, it did really work. Still have parts of it.
They are a little slow but as you say do work, and are cheap and portable.
If you don't have a real firm surface on which to hammer, here's what Richard Lee does. Below is a link to him reloading a bottle neck round. The sizing operation he does holding the die off the table in his hand. Other hammmering operations are done using a steel plate resting on a sponge pad. Also, it was very quiet.
Reloading with a Lee Loader
Interesting, thanks for the link.
be neat to also see 357 and 38S&W done. but I own a 44mag leeloader and a hand held case trimmer for 44mag Lee sold. plus 2 different era 222 Rem Mag lee loader sets with different charge charts for each showing different charges for same loads. be nice if you have the sets to do a video on other odd cartridge sie lee loaders like these and 444, 45-70 etc. did they make a 28ga lee loader? I have owned many for odd size guns over the years but made the mistake of letting them go with gun when sold before Lee started discontinuing them (Cabela's still stocks a few new sets for common calibers at about $36) also the Load al/ls have gone way up in price since beginning to discontinue that line and many parts no longer available. I always did prefer having portable hand reloading kits for my Guns for prepping and when ammo became very hard to find for many. love your instructional videos as it helps reassure We are using these tools correctly.
Thanks for the comment. I might do more Lee Loader video's as there seems to be an audience for these video's. I found an expired listing on ebay for a 28 gauge loader so they do exist: www.ebay.com/itm/294478203205?nma=true&si=A7G5gFQkVoJfqZ%252FxdMOAxOP5%252Bi0%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Glad I have a RCBS press and dies. I’ve had it 40 plus years ,it’s paid for itself many times over . Good video btw .
There is certainly no comparison in speed or convenience between a press and dies and a Lee Loader.
This is my go to video! Thanks for making this! I just got my .38 Lee loader in the mail today, I was excited because my local gun shop carries the UNIQUE, and by your load chart on your video..it shows the load chart for 158 gr. bullet and 125 gr. bullet would both use UNIQUE with the supplied dipper. To my surprise, my load chart differs from yours, and it doesn't even list Unique, just SR4756 which is no longer in production for 158 gr. lead bullet! And it also shows IMR TRAIL BOSS..As for the 125 gr. it shows only IMR 700X ? I plan on using the UNIQUE powder. The only thing listed for UNIQUE on these new .38 lee loaders is for 125 Gr. XTP bullet only? I am assuming I can follow the older instructions and still use UNIQUE with this supplied dipper for both the 158 and 125 gr. cast lead bullet? Thank you so much for your time on this...I am just so tired of buying 38 specials, when I know this will pay for itself.
I see no reason why you could not use the Unique data published in the older charge table, as long as you have the .5cc dipper you should be able to use the older data for the Unique powder.
Lee of course updates and changes the charge tables every so often. There is limited room on the charge card for loads so they leave out older loads in favor of new data that they think may be of interest to their customers.
i put a cinder block on my bench and it cuts down the noise significantly when i’m hammering the cartridge to resize it. my neighbours were getting annoyed at all the banging at 4am, problem solved.
Good idea.
Back in the day, you could get a full length resizing die for the 38 spl/357 mag. Another interesting thing about the die in your kit, it is the same die that came in the 9mm kit, that is why it doesn't size the bottom of the case.
I was not aware of that.
Such a slow process. Thanks for posting it.
***** It's slower while showing it and explaining it, but in the end it is still slow, especially for pistol ammo.
But, if I were in a hurry I'd own a progressive press or even an automatic one. So much for saving money when reloading. Just have to make do with my single stage press.
***** I shoot a fair amount of .38 Spl and I load it on a Lee 1000 progressive, for .357 I load it on a single stage press which is less hassle than readjusting my dies on the progressive.
got one of those sets from 1978 for 9mm luger...great to have
+craneoperator4 I've heard that sizing takes quite a bit of force with the 9mm sets, is it much different than with something like the .38?
314299 Shooting Channel not much fuss on mine...I don't even have to chamfer them
Good to know, thanks.
Outstanding young man!!! No 4. You did not use a sizing wax. Makes sizing a little easier. Perhaps when you really reload you use a carbide die???? Thanks
+lyle inmb I load the vast majority of my .38's on a progressive press equipped with carbide sizing die. Thousands of rounds would be just too slow for the Lee Loader.
Great video. I just got into reloading, found one of these sitting on the shelf of my local gun store in 44-40, which is a cartridge I shoot quite a bit with my Henry Original 44-40 rifle (the new gun, not THE original Henry rifle lol). It really is simple to use, I too cringe when I tap in a primer using this kit, but I figure if you have eye protection and whatnot it's not going to do much damage. Just scare he hell out of ya...the bullet seating process looks easy and the little tool the cartridge sits in while seating the bullet has a wide enough hole that the chance of contacting the primer during this part of the process is slim to none...unless there's a spent primer under it that isn't seen...which would be quite unfortunate HAHA! These things appear to be getting harder to find every day, I still can't believe I just happened upon the 44-40 version, been looking for a cheap way to load for 44-40 for awhile and get into the hobby.
I have popped a primer while seating it. It's VERY startling but harmless.
Best video for the Classic reloader, nice job!
Thanks.
This was a great video. You're a very good teacher. Thanks for posting this.
+MikeyFraz1 You are welcome. Thanks for the comment.
+314299 Shooting Channel My pleasure! Did you have to clean the brass before reloading? If so, how?
+MikeyFraz1 You should clean the brass prior to reloading. Wiping it off with a rag dampened with paint thinner works well for the quantities of brass that a lee loader will be used with.
+314299 Shooting Channel Thanks man!! That's exactly what I needed to hear.
I'm not sure why. But I find this reloading tool fascinating. I have just bought one for my 357 magnum. I load AP but dying to do it with the Lee Classic reloader.
In the late 70's is when they switched to this style of box. Your charge card has the year date of 1980 in the lower left corner. Your charge card also has a typo. At about 1:55 you can see in the 3rd section down it lists the bullet weight as 150-125, this is incorrect. Lee lists the smaller bullet then the larger bullet. This might have supposed to have been 125-150 but I suspect that it was probably supposed to read 105-125. I don't think I have a kit near this era in 38 spl to compare it to.
Good catch on the load data. It would be a good idea to verify charges given with a second source of data.
A worthwhile additional tool to add to that rather simple kit is a PRIMER POCKET CLEANER.
Yes and the Lee ones are both cheap and compact enough to go into the box.
@@314299 I have a spare near my reloading table.
Using the 38 special kit , would it reload a 38 long colt. Smaller brass ,less black powder, 110 gr lead bullets, same diameter. Like the hand press, simple , no hurry, thanks for the demo on hand reloading.
I think you ought to be able to reload 38 Long Colt with a .38 Special Lee Loader, although I admit I have never done so myself. The only issue I would anticipate is with crimping, you might have to apply a crimp without the use of the de-capping base in order to get the die to go down far enough on the shorter case. If you try it please let us know how well it works out for you.
I have to say I'd prefer having the seating-depth adjustment on the seating rod even for rifle - it makes me nervous to have set the depth and then to be banging on the die for all it's worth to resize the next case - how do I know something hasn't shifted? I have a collet neck sizing die now, so the Lee Loader goes back on the shelf into well-earned semi-retirement, but even before it arrived I'd started batch-sizing all of my cases and getting all the heavy hammering out of the way before the fine adjustments got made.
Thanks 314299 Shooting Channel! This is an awesome vid! One question though, i want to reload with jacketed rounds, are there any issues with veering away from the cast lead?
No issues, using jacketed bullets is easier as they are less fragile than lead. Just be sure the load data you use is for jacketed.
The beauty of this is it's simplicity, low cost, familiarity & learning the process, and can be done anywhere, with utmost care. Enjoy the process and not worry about volume. Can do this listening to the radio or TV , and cautiously teaching the kids or grandkids (supervised) - a family thing. The kids might "mic" for proper shell lengths and check dimensions for quality control and enjoy being involved. Wrong ?
+Walter Palmer About the only dimension issue one is going to run into is a loaded round that will not chamber if the bullets are too big.
Flip the deprime chamber over the case then is centered . The instructions say to use flat primers ie CCI
Yes, that is the way the instructions say to use it, however if used upside down it takes longer before it gets full of used primers and need to be emptied.
Great video thanks for the help wasn't sure about reloading but now I'm gonna start
this would be great for shtf
Remember you gotta carry primers powder and bullets in the bugout bag.
If you can find primers.
Excellent , thank you. Great up close focus
Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment.
Thanks for a great lesson.
I've got plenty of ammo that I have produced/ assembled.
This is a really good " oh shit ! I need rounds and am far from the safety of my shop....all one needs to keep ammo that could fit in a small tote bag....
For many folks the appeal to these kits is the portability and easy storage.
this was a great video....I have a Lee Loader .38 on the way from Midway... I have a Lee press for my rifle cartridges, but this looks easier for pistol.
Thanks. Best of luck with your Lee Loader.
Great video. Thanks for posting it. I used a loader like this 40 years ago for 30.06 shells. Now I want one for 38 special.
Baird Heritage Just as long as you are not in a hurry they work just fine.
You're using the decapper upside down. The case should sit in the large hole. That keeps the primer centered over its relief hole.
Yes, I'm doing that on purpose as this allows many more primers to be removed without the base being filled up and clogged with spent primers.
Enjoyed and learned lots! Thank you for your time and great tutorial. Any recommendations on a good place to order primers, powder and the other necessities needed?
+KravenMoorehead Thanks. I generally pick up powder and primers at local gun shops and at gun shows. Occasionally some local guys do "group buys" and order from Higginsons Powders, but that is here in Canada. Perhaps some American viewers can recommend good places to order from in the USA.
Much thanks. Very clear and easy to follow. Just what I need!!
+lyle inmb I'm glad you find the video useful.
are you still making video's? its been over a years since we heard from you.
I am brand new to reloading and bought a Lee Classic Reloader for 45 colt. Your video has been the most thorough so far. Of the dozens of videos I have watched so far nobody has mentioned cleaning the used brass. Is this something everyone assumes you should know to do or is it something you don't have to do? Just wandering since all the videos state that everything you need is in the kit but a rubber or plastic hammer. A cartridge cleaning tumbler is never mentioned. Any help is appreciated. Some people may want to make fun of me for not knowing this, that's fine I've got thick skin.
You dont need a case tumbler to clean your brass, a cloth with a bit of solvent (I use paint thinner) on it works fine to clean cases. The big issue is to remove any grit/sand to keep it from damaging your brass and die.
Thanks.
Very cool. I'm thinking of picking up one of these reloaders for both .38spl and .357 magnum soon to get into reloading. Just don't have the space for a fancy press so I think one of these will be perfect for me.
+Kyle Clark Another option to consider if you dont have room for a regular press is the Lee Hand press, they use regular dies so if you do eventually get a "regular" press you can still use the same reloading dies.
Thank you, excellent demonstration and details.
Glad you liked it, thanks for commenting.
just found your channel, and it's awesome. thanks for sharing these.
Thanks.
Wow! Just what I always wanted. This is perfect!
I assume that, since .38s and .357s are just different size versions of one another, this kit'll work for the magnum rounds too? Just put in the magnum primers, right?
I have never loaded .357 with my .38 set, but it should be possible with some adjustment to the bullet seating and of course the correct powder dipper and load chart.
Using Lee Loaders for various calibers, .38 special is the only one where I would occasionally get primer detonation while seating primers...
What brand(s) of primers were you using?
@@314299 I forget. This was 20 yrs ago.
I use one of those kits for a 38 special or a 357 Magnum which is the same kit. I use it for about 20 years of still good kit
Lee currently lists 38 special and 357 Magnum kits, the only difference between the two is they put different powder scoops and load data in the box .
Great video. You are so patient.
Thanks. It's a slow way to load ammo it helsp to be somewhat patient.
Beautifully, slowly explained. You've no idea how many videos lack any explanation of their steps.( Confusing ) However, isn't it best to "mic" your casings, steps in construction, final bullets after completion ? Basically, just take your time. A good micrometer should be of help. No ? Thanks for posting.
+Walter Palmer It never hurts to have a caliper handy to measure things, but it's not really necessary. I've never seen a .38 special case get longer than is safe, or even enough to require trimming. Straight sided pistol cases rarely need trimming, unlike bottleneck rifle cases.
They work great. I HAVE in .38 special, 45 colt and 45/70..
I'm curious about the effort required to size 45 Colt, any comments.
Awesome video, I've been inspired! I think it wouldn't be practical for 9mm b/c its pretty cheap, but for 38/.357 this is ideal! Thanks again!
The 9x19 is also a lot more difficult the reload than .38 as it is tapered case and therefore requires a lot more effort to size, in fact one pretty much has to put case lubricate on the 9mm case when using the lee loader,while the 38 does not require it.
My next question was about crimping and clearly it does that well too. When you hammered the case into the die body, was that supposed to resize the case?
Yes, it resizes the cases but only partially.
I had so many primers go off while using this kit I went and got a Lee primer tool. But only on the .38, not the 9mm kit.
I'm not fond of priming with these kits either, anyone who loads a lot with them will be well served with a Lee Auto prime tool.
But what puzzles me is I never had any problems with the 9mm kit.
That's odd for sure.
Slow? Yes
Also probably the least prone to user error
I started on one of these, and I didn't so much is have a squib until I moved on to a press 🤣
Nice video just got one of these for 45 colt but after watching i fear i may have been a little heavy handed on the roll crimp. And out of an SAA it might increase pressure alot. Luckily i only loaded the starting load so ill try these then be more careful with the higher loads.
I doubt your heavy crimp will give a significant increase in pressure, a solid crimp helps keep the bullet in place while the powder gets burning but it quickly "lets go" of the bullet as soon as pressure has increased to the level where the bullet starts moving.
@@314299 ok thanks for that makes me feel abit better 👍
Thanks for the video, very clear and concise :)
Just one question, why would you reload like this?
Are there any benefits, like trying out reload types on range or something?
Glurgi Cheap and portable and easy to store are some advantages to the Lee kits, but for any quantity one is better off with a press and carbide dies.
This was a VERY good video....lotsa' info, not a lot of fluff
Thanks.
I use one of those for my .45 Colt. I'm not in a hurry anyway....and its fun!
Once you get a rhythm going using one of these kits is actually a lot faster than people might think, especially compared to how slow I'm doing it in the video.
Neat, excellent video 👍 simple and to the point.
Glad you liked it.
thanks for the detailed explanation.
+Gun Collector007 You are welcome.
I'm going to start reloading very soon. Thanks.
Any cost effective kit you would recommend for doing the work on a portable bench at the outdoor shooting range? I'd love to shoot about 200 rounds per week, but I don't want to spend more than 3 hours on reloading each week.
I really dont think you would want to reload a weeks worth of ammo at the range, that's more of a home/shop level of production. A Lee turret press with powder measure and a set of carbide dies would easily get you your 200 rounds a week in a couple hours.
Good video.
I have them for all calibers I reload for though I have a good bench set up.
Saw a video of Dick Lee, yeah that Dick Lee, reloading a . 308 in less than a minute.
I've seen that video, I think Mr Lee had a lot of practice using his product.
Am I right to assume this can be used for 357 Mag as well? or is it a different kit ? I guess the only difference might be the resizing die , but somehow it looks like it can be used for both calibers.
No, you could not use the 303 kit to load 357. You need the correct kit for each caliber.
@@314299 303 ? I asked about 357Mag and 38 SP
Case length will not be an issue if you are reloading 38 specials to shoot on your 357 Magnum.
+mac swimfan I have never seen a 38 special case that required trimming, they just dont seem to get longer, probably due to the low pressures of the .38 Spl and the straight case.
You mentioned in your video about a lee hand priming tool you would rather use, where can I buy one?
Lee no longer makes the priming tool that I prefer but they do make a new version of it:
leeprecision.com/new-auto-prime.html
There are lots of sources to buy these, places such as MIdway USA, Cabella's, local gun shops, etc.
what type of powder would you recomend for a target shooting load in an older revolver? i like something with a little bite so i feel like im actually shooting something other than a 22.
Bulleseye or Unique are generally good choices.
thanks a lot for the fast response and the good advice! is the powder dipper included in the lee kit sufficient or should i get a scale too? i'd like to spend as little cash as possible
A great tutorial video! Thanks.
You are welcome, thanks for commenting.
I had to use a couple of channel locks to get my seating tool to stop coming loose and creeping out on me after setting the proper depth..
Perhaps the rubber O ring is either missing, the wrong size or dried out?
@@314299 Appreciate the idea. Now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing the O-ring on my unit, will check it out.