The recording from United 93 is horrific and unfathomable. Thank God for those people that saved countless lives, and be with those that gave their own to do it.
I'm a post-9/11 U.S. Navy Veteran. The story of Flight: 93 "Let's Roll" is BULL SHIT!!! That plane was shot out of the sky over Shanksville, PA. And no PLANE hit the Pentogon!!!
@@10secs2lovetffl I can say two things I didn’t see a plane go into the pentagon. They can say whatever they want, but there’s no video proof that it happened. So I won’t speculate what happened, I will just say what I know can’t be proven. I refuse to believe there isn’t any video evidence anywhere. as for Shanksville? No evidence there either. So I’m not gonna go on a conspiracy tirade. I’m going to tell you what I know. I know that there is no proof that a plane went into the Pentagon or what we were told happen in Shanksville happened. I’m not gonna talk about, corporations, or special interests, or organized demolition. I’m saying that there’s no conclusive evidence that a plane went anywhere in those situations.
In 2023 these recordings bring tears to my eyes. I watch/listen to these around 9/11. I remember every minute of that day. I only learned a few years ago about the boat rescue. I recommend it if anyone hasn't heard it yet.
@@AureliusRYes, private boats and US coastguards evacuated 500,000 people with boats from Manhattan that day. All roads and bridges were closed. The subway as well. Look it up, the video is sobering
@AureliusR The largest maritime rescue in our countries history!! Forever thankful for those boat captains and the tiny town in Nova Scotia❤ that took care of all our citizens!
I was 6 years old when this happened. I remember every single second of that day. Now, over 20 years later im an air traffic controller and hope to god i never have to deal with a situation like anywhere remotely close to this
Be on the lookout for war games like the ones being done on the day, Global Guardian and Able Danger. and do the folks pushing tin do regular war games now after this?
it must have been bloody awful trying to manage this situation with such limited data, coordination and preparedness and they didn't know the full scale of the horrors unfolding in Manhattan either. You have to hand it to them, they all did the best they could but nothing they could have done would have prevented the atrocities on that day.
@@Leigh3420 one of the pilots was moaning on the CVR, a wife said it was her husband. Not sure which pilot. The CVR states that Ziad Jarrah was asking someone not to mess with something.
These transmissions clearly show ATC was on point. They were the only ones that were. It was like pulling teeth to get the military to understand and do anything. Doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about our government. And I can almost guarantee the response would be even more lacking this day and age. If this country is attacked again, we are all screwed.
That's why people shouldn't look to the government for "protection." We will get no protection, and we will lose our freedom in the process. There was no way anything could have been done in this situation, though. The only preventative measure would have been for the intelligence agencies to find out about it and prevent it. And they failed. Government is never the answer.
There have been a lot of changes that have been put in place to make sure there is quicker and clearer communication in the event something like this happens again.
They weren't sure if it was real world or training. My husband was on a training mission in Germany when they announced that the World Trade center was hit by planes in a terrorist attack. ALL the soldiers thought it was a training mission until the colonel said, "No, soldiers. This is the REAL shit. Our country is under attack. We're indexing the mission and going back to post!"
The more you read, you will see that there is so much confusion and wasted time,trying to figure out what’s going on. At 1615 they are still questioning the situation!!
They didn't know the first plane was flight 11 until after the whole thing ended. They were chasing down flight 93 thinking it was 11. By todays standards we were wide open to attack back then.
Could you have done any better? Remember this was all new and horrifying to all of us. This is something to learn from. The ones to blame are those who did all of these horrific events, Noone else.!!! So sorry for those lives lost, those injured and their families. And our innocence lost. God bless America 🇺🇸 🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸
No one planned this, cause no one had done this before.Planes were hijacked before but with a purpose very different from this. I have one thing bugging me though, 2 planes were already known to be hijacked and the pentagon and PA planes both are given a green light to lift off. Hard to say right now that anything could have been avoided. These folks were totally caught off guard.
Don't forget that they didn't even have GPS at this time in history. Many of the air controllers saw what happened live by watching their TV News in the background. People watching it live in Times Square knew more than they did. That must have been so frustrating for all of them. You could hear them all gasp in the background when the 2nd plane hit the WTC.
Crazy to hear they were going to send jets from Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Michigan (after they dropped their bombs at the bombing range). You would think they had jets a lot closer than Michigan that could scramble and get to the scene quicker
That's weird. I don't know about fighter from Michigan, but I do know that Cheney scheduled NORAS war games on the same day and the day after the pentagon announced over $2 trillion unaccounted for.
Two Air National Guard pilots in Virginia were scrambled after the plane hit the Pentagon. Their F15s were unarmed and according to an interview with the pilots later said that it was understood that they would ram the plane that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania if it headed to Washington, DC.
I still haven't found any actual radar readings happening in real time while ATC recordings from the terrorist attack. Is there a video on that? If not, I might have to ask you if you'll do it.
That's literally the term we use in aviation, shortened in conversation among flight attendants/crew like myself to SOBs...sometimes it raises eyebrows to people who don't know this is the required aviation term for people on board any flight, Souls on Board....
What a terrible Babylonian confusion of tongues. Although everyone is doing their best, it is clear that no one knows what is actually going on. People in front of the TV were a lot better informed. It is clear that the procedures failed. Hopefully the Americans have this in much better order now.
The confusion of 9/11 led the military to install tv monitors in their communication rooms. People watching from their living rooms had better real-time info than any colonel.
I visited Washington, D.C. July 1985. I watched aircraft on final to DCA. I told my father a pilot just had to turn a sharp left and fly into the White House. And there was nothing that could be done because it was so close to the White House.
I used to stay at the Washington Hotel in the ‘80/90s. On the rooftop restaurant as we watched airplanes fly into National Airport, we would say the same thing!
Never understood why when the ATController trying to talk to AA11 reported the none response to his supervisor, that the supervisor replied "that's fine". The "supervisor" obviously realized that AA11 was turning right (not left, like the ATController initially said) but didn't seem to understand that the real problem was that AA11 was not responding. He said "that's fine". Never understood why.
Never understood why there was such surprise expressed when they found out from Betty that the hijackers were in the cockpit. Where else wouid you expect hijackers to be but in the cockpit?? Never understood the surprise in the voices.
The procedure at the time was you do what the hijackers say & then they make their demands to collect a ransom. The idea they would crash them into buildings was unfathomable at the time
@@salamisumo2 exactly in the 1970s there was a rash of hijackings... usually force the pilots to fly somewhere like Cuba land then hold plane and passengers as hostages for ransom..
Back then the communications between agencies was awful. Nothing like this was ever delt with before (hence the no sense of urgency and more of the confusion) Since then major changes were made. Plane highjackings weren’t exactly common then.
I was ship's company TAO aboard CVN 72. I was at Pt Mugu with our E-2 squadron at a CSG Air defense team meeting as we started workups. Saw the whole thing go down. It was a complete shit show. The entire story of this day remains to be told.
Likely confusion regarding NYPD comms as they're relaying reports from those trapped that there was a partial collapse (likely more than one) above the impact floors. Generally, the buildings collapsed internally before they collapsed totally. From the moment of each impact, the buildings were falling apart, doorways warped, pipes bursting, walls cracking. Fireballs were sucked down the elevator shafts by plunging cars, resulting in explosions and smaller fires in the lobby, basement levels, and skylobby. Additionally, jet fuel traveled down airducting leading to explosions in bathrooms and smaller fires all throughout the buildings. My point is that it was very chaotic, more-so than most realize as the damage was not isolated to the impact zones. There were multiple partial collapses throughout both buildings, and the NYPD were usually the first to learn this via 911 calls. So somebody hears something about a partial collapse, hear's the word "collapse" and it's a game of telephone from there.
They had evacuated the area as they knew it was coming down. There's footage of a reporter who snuck into the abandoned area and the damage of the cars and buildings there before it came down was pretty intense. BBC reported the building was down before it happened as it's the fog of war and mistakes are made. Plenty of other incorrect reports that day of car bombs and other hijackings
Yeah but she probably regretted it. She didn't know the whole magnitude of the situation and she sounded young. Yes she should've known better. But people make dumb mistakes in their careers that don't likely define them as a person. I think it's regrettable but I don't want her to regret it all these years later.
Just listening to the mass confusion shows how easily this will happen again. In fact it has already in ALASKA and probably in Atlanta or some other over trafficked airport
There were two war games with fake radar injects that day. Global Guardian and Able Danger. It was drill as far they knew until they found out it was 'real world not exercise'
Why did the Gonzales woman say the "everybody's been stabbed" when Betty Ong actually indentified the three (3) flight attendants that were stabbed......why say EVERYBODYs been stabbed? And if they cannot connect to the pilots in the cockpit.. who were probably also stabbed or dead.....how could the male voice at air traffic control "ASSUME THEY ARE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY"?? Absurd. And how couid the female voice ask if ATC are in contact with the cockpit inspite of all that was said? Again absurd. And they kept saying POSSIBLE high jacking, when it was already confirmed......and obvious. And then such surprise to to find that the hijackers are in the cockpit. Again absurd.
Yes all true… but that day was unusual and unexpected and these controllers did the best they could to get into the right mindset. It really was an unbelievable surreal day. None of us saw this coming if you were an adult living in the US at that time. We are west coast and my roommate knocked on my door to get me up to see that the first tower was burning. They kept saying it was a commuter plane, but that hole was too big. So for about 15 minutes we thought as regular americans that it was an accident. And then we saw another plane head in on tv and we knew something weird was up then. Then there was finally confirmation. Also looking at the first plane crash we had no idea the tower would go down. That was unbelievable too. I think these people did the best they could with not having a hijacking in 30ish years. Eventually they got into the right mindset and airports and the faa shut it all down after that second hit. Unfortunately 77 and 93 were already up in the air by then.
ATC would ordinarily have received a squawk 7500 to indicate an hijacking unless the crew were overcome too quickly to do it. In hijackings up to that date demands would be being made air to ground from the cockpit. So not absurd at all. I expect they knew the hijackers would be able to enter the cockpit but in the past usually they force the crew to land instead of killing them, the inference here of IN the cockpit made it clear they were behind the controls, far more dangerous than a hijacking where at least the crew is still flying the plane. Please be aware of your lack of air mindedness when assessing an aviation situation.
...aye I thought the same...and those first words the controller transmitted to the plane were telling. His voice changed with every call :- Normal transmission - Inquisitive transmission - Concerned transmission - Calls Boss transmission.
That's exactly what I was thinking. 175 was helping out ATC and within minutes they were going to be hijacked and their fate was sealed. Nearly 23 years later I begin to cry thinking of that day so many innocent lives were lost. The children we saw from a daycare being evacuated in NYC are now in their mid 20s. R.I.P. to all who died that day 🕊
Yeah I’ve heard it’s one of the most stressful jobs… the thought of being that mentally alert constantly, with so little room for error, and such severe consequences in the event of error is exhausting to think about - and I used to be a trauma ICU nurse!
"It's a hijack? Cool!" Imagine the lifetime of regret for having said this not knowing what shit was about to transpire. Saying it on tape for everyone to hear for history.
I refuse to judge anyone for that kind of remark. This kinda thing would have been unprecedented, hijackings back then seldom resulted in this kind of outcome and regardless, sarcasm is a thing.
@@fuzzydunlop7928Just because they didn't know the full magnitude of the situation does not excuse the monumental stupidity of saying a bunch of people in peril is cool.
@@jordach545. When they do use ‘cool’ as ‘I acknowledge’ it is because they are usually letting their voices trail off a bit when pronouncing it; an emphatic, high pitched ‘Cool!!🎉’ is NOT the same thing, and that is what that girl did, so I don’t have sympathy.
Back then the communications between agencies was awful. Nothing like this was ever delt with before (hence the no sense of urgency and more of the confusion) Since then major changes were made.
"Get somebody who can scramble F15's" 40 Mins Later: "Get me someone who can authorise Military Aircraft". Utterly Disgraceful. "We'll shut down the Airspace." - After both Towers were hit. Bit Late.
They didn’t know how many more planes could be hijacked. There were at least three aircraft who weren’t responding to radio calls after the initial attacks who were going to be treated as threats. Point is they had to shutdown air traffic nationwide.
there was no time to do anything about it anyway, even if the qra fighters had got in the air right away they had no orders to shoot down civilian aircraft until it was too late. Those orders had to come from DPTOUS and POTUS himself.
Firstly, scrambling aircraft isn't the same as authorizing military aircraft - they likely mean the authorization to shoot aircraft down as opposed to initiating the scramble, which is the easy part. They would have expected the aircraft to land at an airport, by the time it eould be over an urban area, the decision to shoot down becomes even more difficult because of the risk of casualties on the ground, and by the time the jet was approaching the tower it would be too late. Near impossible to stop the first aircraft. Secondly, multiple hijackings was COMPLETELY unprecedented, by the time the second aircraft was near the towers it would also likely he too late. Thirdly, pilots send out a code if they are hijacked - UNLESS they are incapacitated too rapidly to do it, reducing the time available to ATC to resolve the issue, only lack of communication/change in flight direction would indicate a problem. Fourth, ATC did issue direction to ground all aircraft quickly - of course it takes time to actually land those aircraft. Their communication could have been better by being more concise, the stewardess Betty should never had had to go through to Reservations to get hold of someone, they should have scrambled immediately etc. Yes it could be improved but it was absolutely not disgraceful. You're applying hindsight and forgetting how small the time to respond was, and even if they had time, they were in a near impossible situation.
@@EKL-qu7ih probably talking about the hijacking information and their positions, unlike the military who had so poor communication that day, so much so they knew about the flight 93 hijacking almost 10 minutes after it
People need to remember this was almost 25 years ago and we didn't even have GPS back then. Save your nasty replies until you do some research and study the history.
Any dynamic situation there are communication problems. This was unprecedented and involved many layers. It is not like a bomb that goes off. This involves the entire US aviation sector. Involves the military. Involves two cities. Hijackings were not assumed to be flying into buildings. By the afternoon of Sept 11 the entire US aviation was shut down. I look at that day as amusing how quickly the US responded to was was unthinkable a few hours earlier.
They thought flight 11 was still in the air after the buildings collapsed. Information moved so slow then. Nobody expected it. It's not even a complicated plan at all by todays security standard
@@johns1625 Exceptional information always moves a lot slower. It takes time to comprehend anything that is so out of the ordinary as this was. Even with today's communication options, action would not have been much quicker. Moreover, anyone in aviation is trained to stay calm and collected, and be precise in what they say and don't say. That is crucial. Also, you are not hearing everything. This is only a few channels.
Don't forget that what you hear is not chronological. There are various calls after each other that in real time were taking place at the same time. It can appear slow - it may not have been.
I’d like to know how they learned how to use the FMS. They claimed that the terrorists took flying lessons. That’s dandy, but taking lessons in a Cessna 172 with either no Nav Computer or a Garmen,, and flying a Commercial Airliner with a FMS is Completely different. They would’ve had to gain control of the plane, then know how to cancel the flight plan on the FMS, then enter a new flight plan, assuming they used an airport identification near their target,, to get the path to the target area. There are Gen Av pilots out there that have been flying for years, and don’t know how to use a FMS. And I don’t see how someone that’s not from this country and has never flown, knows which heading to fly, to get to a certain point. It could happen if they acted from the ground, but their position at the time of taking control of the plane, would be random, so the heading wouldn’t be correct.
Have a read of the 9/11 commission report. Search the .pdf for “737”, “charts”, “gps” and “autopilot”. If someone wants to override the FMC and hand fly, press the big “disengage” button below the “A/P engage” buttons. That said - the FMC isn’t rocket science. Press LEGS, select the waypoints down the right, press DEL for each to clear them, add a new waypoint near NY from the charts they had with them and press execute. They obviously found their way. We also found our way to the moon in 1969 and the Earth is in fact round.
They paid for simulator time in B767...not that they would have needed any FMS knowledge - it was a clear, VFR day. Disconnect and navigate visually was all that was required.
The recording from United 93 is horrific and unfathomable. Thank God for those people that saved countless lives, and be with those that gave their own to do it.
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I'm a post-9/11 U.S. Navy Veteran. The story of Flight: 93 "Let's Roll" is BULL SHIT!!! That plane was shot out of the sky over Shanksville, PA. And no PLANE hit the Pentogon!!!
@@10secs2lovetffl I can say two things I didn’t see a plane go into the pentagon. They can say whatever they want, but there’s no video proof that it happened. So I won’t speculate what happened, I will just say what I know can’t be proven. I refuse to believe there isn’t any video evidence anywhere. as for Shanksville? No evidence there either. So I’m not gonna go on a conspiracy tirade. I’m going to tell you what I know. I know that there is no proof that a plane went into the Pentagon or what we were told happen in Shanksville happened. I’m not gonna talk about, corporations, or special interests, or organized demolition. I’m saying that there’s no conclusive evidence that a plane went anywhere in those situations.
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@@robertdavis942tell that to the families of all the passengers. How can you be so devoid of common sense?
In 2023 these recordings bring tears to my eyes. I watch/listen to these around 9/11. I remember every minute of that day. I only learned a few years ago about the boat rescue. I recommend it if anyone hasn't heard it yet.
Exactly the same here I remember that horrible day in detail that I honestly don't think I can recall any other day in. It was truly horrific.
What boat rescue?
@@julieann4616it is 9/11 boatlift. As people fled the city they went to the water and ever boat help take people of the island.
@@AureliusRYes, private boats and US coastguards evacuated 500,000 people with boats from Manhattan that day.
All roads and bridges were closed. The subway as well.
Look it up, the video is sobering
@AureliusR The largest maritime rescue in our countries history!! Forever thankful for those boat captains and the tiny town in Nova Scotia❤ that took care of all our citizens!
I was 6 years old when this happened. I remember every single second of that day. Now, over 20 years later im an air traffic controller and hope to god i never have to deal with a situation like anywhere remotely close to this
Is This what prompted you to do air traffic control by any chance?
@@susanyoung6632 no i got into atc because of my love for aviation
Be on the lookout for war games like the ones being done on the day, Global Guardian and Able Danger. and do the folks pushing tin do regular war games now after this?
it must have been bloody awful trying to manage this situation with such limited data, coordination and preparedness and they didn't know the full scale of the horrors unfolding in Manhattan either. You have to hand it to them, they all did the best they could but nothing they could have done would have prevented the atrocities on that day.
Agree! We should be thankful that these people are working so hard. It could have been a lot worse.
What an absaloute shitshow the world has been since this day.
"Is this real world or exercise" The fact that they were doing war games called Global Guardian and Abel Danger on the very same day amazes me.
“A new type of war that’s what it is”
"we are all going to die here" jesus thats a mans last words
One of the pilots repeatedly was messing with knobs the whole flight
@@devinthieraultjust a question are you speaking of the Hijacker’s or the actual pilots still alive?
@@Leigh3420 one of the pilots was moaning on the CVR, a wife said it was her husband. Not sure which pilot. The CVR states that Ziad Jarrah was asking someone not to mess with something.
@@devinthieraultthat is so sad. They fought until the very end to survive. 😢
While they were talking,the plane had already struck the WTC.
It is deplorable that there are commercials interspersed with any documentary about September 11th 2001
These transmissions clearly show ATC was on point. They were the only ones that were. It was like pulling teeth to get the military to understand and do anything. Doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about our government. And I can almost guarantee the response would be even more lacking this day and age. If this country is attacked again, we are all screwed.
That's why people shouldn't look to the government for "protection." We will get no protection, and we will lose our freedom in the process.
There was no way anything could have been done in this situation, though. The only preventative measure would have been for the intelligence agencies to find out about it and prevent it.
And they failed.
Government is never the answer.
There have been a lot of changes that have been put in place to make sure there is quicker and clearer communication in the event something like this happens again.
They weren't sure if it was real world or training. My husband was on a training mission in Germany when they announced that the World Trade center was hit by planes in a terrorist attack. ALL the soldiers thought it was a training mission until the colonel said, "No, soldiers. This is the REAL shit. Our country is under attack. We're indexing the mission and going back to post!"
I agree, but even Israel let her guard down and they should know better. Always gotta be vigilant and on the ready.
The more you read, you will see that there is so much confusion and wasted time,trying to figure out what’s going on. At 1615 they are still questioning the situation!!
Of course they were never been dealt with by anyone no blame gaming please.
They didn't know the first plane was flight 11 until after the whole thing ended. They were chasing down flight 93 thinking it was 11. By todays standards we were wide open to attack back then.
Could you have done any better? Remember this was all new and horrifying to all of us. This is something to learn from. The ones to blame are those who did all of these horrific events, Noone else.!!! So sorry for those lives lost, those injured and their families. And our innocence lost. God bless America 🇺🇸 🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸
No one planned this, cause no one had done this before.Planes were hijacked before but with a purpose very different from this.
I have one thing bugging me though, 2 planes were already known to be hijacked and the pentagon and PA planes both are given a green light to lift off.
Hard to say right now that anything could have been avoided. These folks were totally caught off guard.
Don't forget that they didn't even have GPS at this time in history. Many of the air controllers saw what happened live by watching their TV News in the background. People watching it live in Times Square knew more than they did. That must have been so frustrating for all of them. You could hear them all gasp in the background when the 2nd plane hit the WTC.
Crazy to hear they were going to send jets from Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Michigan (after they dropped their bombs at the bombing range). You would think they had jets a lot closer than Michigan that could scramble and get to the scene quicker
The Cold War is over. Their wasn't a need.
That's weird.
I don't know about fighter from Michigan, but I do know that Cheney scheduled NORAS war games on the same day and the day after the pentagon announced over $2 trillion unaccounted for.
*NORAD
I know…. not even at Andrews??
Two Air National Guard pilots in Virginia were scrambled after the plane hit the Pentagon. Their F15s were unarmed and according to an interview with the pilots later said that it was understood that they would ram the plane that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania if it headed to Washington, DC.
I still haven't found any actual radar readings happening in real time while ATC recordings from the terrorist attack. Is there a video on that? If not, I might have to ask you if you'll do it.
@@IVtitude Ok. Thx
@@IVtitude just saw one a few days ago, gone today :/
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@@douglasmonroe7417let out oool
@@douglasmonroe7417 There use to be hundreds of videos on u-tube on 911 but, Google and u-tube took them down.. 🤨
Souls on board😢😢😢😢😢
That's literally the term we use in aviation, shortened in conversation among flight attendants/crew like myself to SOBs...sometimes it raises eyebrows to people who don't know this is the required aviation term for people on board any flight, Souls on Board....
What a terrible Babylonian confusion of tongues. Although everyone is doing their best, it is clear that no one knows what is actually going on. People in front of the TV were a lot better informed. It is clear that the procedures failed. Hopefully the Americans have this in much better order now.
The confusion of 9/11 led the military to install tv monitors in their communication rooms. People watching from their living rooms had better real-time info than any colonel.
I seriously doubt it. Our country is such a mess...
I visited Washington, D.C. July 1985. I watched aircraft on final to DCA. I told my father a pilot just had to turn a sharp left and fly into the White House. And there was nothing that could be done because it was so close to the White House.
I used to stay at the Washington Hotel in the ‘80/90s. On the rooftop restaurant as we watched airplanes fly into National Airport, we would say the same thing!
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@@nicolekolsky9576 these are key events of 9/11
@nicolekolsky9576 it's bookmarks. The first 6 or so are the terrorists. The others are passengers and military.
Delta 1989... if they only knew they were almost blown out of the sky.
Like really close…! 😢
Never understood why when the ATController trying to talk to AA11 reported the none response to his supervisor, that the supervisor replied "that's fine". The "supervisor" obviously realized that AA11 was turning right (not left, like the ATController initially said) but didn't seem to understand that the real problem was that AA11 was not responding. He said "that's fine". Never understood why.
Brain mighta been on autopilot
Loss of comms is not totally uncommon, and not an emergency. Usually if this happens you squawk 7600 (nordo) and then follow an established procedure.
All of us can not even understand what's going on at that time. All of us that includes everyone !!!. We really don't know...
Never understood why there was such surprise expressed when they found out from Betty that the hijackers were in the cockpit. Where else wouid you expect hijackers to be but in the cockpit??
Never understood the surprise in the voices.
Hijacking could be anything from a DB Cooper scenario to a cockpit hijack like this
Hijacking was not synonomous with killing pilots and taking over planes.
The procedure at the time was you do what the hijackers say & then they make their demands to collect a ransom. The idea they would crash them into buildings was unfathomable at the time
@@salamisumo2 exactly in the 1970s there was a rash of hijackings... usually force the pilots to fly somewhere like Cuba land then hold plane and passengers as hostages for ransom..
Prior hijackings didn’t involve hijackers killing the pilots and flying the planes… they were “I have a bomb, meet my demands” type scenarios
But also. Delay of any action. Isn’t it ??
“Scramble jets! Scramble! Scramble!”
And do what, make mean faces out the window at hijackers flying?
Every time I watch the videos or recordings same anger . Most powerful country in the world but got taken by a bunch of goat herders. What a joke.
Back then the communications between agencies was awful. Nothing like this was ever delt with before (hence the no sense of urgency and more of the confusion)
Since then major changes were made.
Plane highjackings weren’t exactly common then.
Because of the war games being conducted on the day Global Guardian and Able Danger
To this day, I don't trust people from that part of the world.
Man, that Boston atc guy sounds like Kevin Spacey.
I was ship's company TAO aboard CVN 72. I was at Pt Mugu with our E-2 squadron at a CSG Air defense team meeting as we started workups. Saw the whole thing go down. It was a complete shit show. The entire story of this day remains to be told.
Ateallthat horror with American. Then they they can't get a hold of united 175. I cannot imagine
There's been a lot of different Audio Traffic on the American side
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Also why did the new report a building fell before it actually did. It’s literally standing while the women is report it has fallen.
Likely confusion regarding NYPD comms as they're relaying reports from those trapped that there was a partial collapse (likely more than one) above the impact floors. Generally, the buildings collapsed internally before they collapsed totally.
From the moment of each impact, the buildings were falling apart, doorways warped, pipes bursting, walls cracking. Fireballs were sucked down the elevator shafts by plunging cars, resulting in explosions and smaller fires in the lobby, basement levels, and skylobby. Additionally, jet fuel traveled down airducting leading to explosions in bathrooms and smaller fires all throughout the buildings.
My point is that it was very chaotic, more-so than most realize as the damage was not isolated to the impact zones. There were multiple partial collapses throughout both buildings, and the NYPD were usually the first to learn this via 911 calls. So somebody hears something about a partial collapse, hear's the word "collapse" and it's a game of telephone from there.
They had evacuated the area as they knew it was coming down. There's footage of a reporter who snuck into the abandoned area and the damage of the cars and buildings there before it came down was pretty intense. BBC reported the building was down before it happened as it's the fog of war and mistakes are made. Plenty of other incorrect reports that day of car bombs and other hijackings
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25:15 So annoying when that girl says - real hijacking? 'Cool!'
How immature!
Yeah but she probably regretted it. She didn't know the whole magnitude of the situation and she sounded young. Yes she should've known better. But people make dumb mistakes in their careers that don't likely define them as a person. I think it's regrettable but I don't want her to regret it all these years later.
We are all human. She didn't know what was truly coming.
Because of the war games being conducted on the day, Global Guardian and Able Danger she was probably expecting it to be as real as possible.
@@huffmanaviation7341 i didnt know that! Thankyou for that information. I understand the comment much better now.
NORAD was running drills on this day.
She probably thought it was related, let's not judge thinking she was happy Al Qaeda took 4 planes over.
Nobody knew anything wrong info given about airplanes nbrs
Just listening to the mass confusion shows how easily this will happen again. In fact it has already in ALASKA and probably in Atlanta or some other over trafficked airport
This is the type of comment that gets you put on a list lol
They were acting like it was a drill till they saw the towers on fire
There were two war games with fake radar injects that day. Global Guardian and Able Danger. It was drill as far they knew until they found out it was 'real world not exercise'
@@huffmanaviation7341 all part of the plan
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Weird that USAF STRATCOM had a live Nuke Alert drill that morning. Doomsday planes, B-52s etc … coincidence?
This is why we had so many failures by the FAA. GOD THIS MAKES ME MAD.
Why did the Gonzales woman say the "everybody's been stabbed" when Betty Ong actually indentified the three (3) flight attendants that were stabbed......why say EVERYBODYs been stabbed?
And if they cannot connect to the pilots in the cockpit.. who were probably also stabbed or dead.....how could the male voice at air traffic control "ASSUME THEY ARE DECLARING AN EMERGENCY"?? Absurd.
And how couid the female voice ask if ATC are in contact with the cockpit inspite of all that was said? Again absurd.
And they kept saying POSSIBLE high jacking, when it was already confirmed......and obvious.
And then such surprise to to find that the hijackers are in the cockpit. Again absurd.
Hey jackass, it was an EMERGENCY. I'm in awe of the calm these professionals maintained amid complete chaos.
Yes all true… but that day was unusual and unexpected and these controllers did the best they could to get into the right mindset. It really was an unbelievable surreal day. None of us saw this coming if you were an adult living in the US at that time. We are west coast and my roommate knocked on my door to get me up to see that the first tower was burning. They kept saying it was a commuter plane, but that hole was too big. So for about 15 minutes we thought as regular americans that it was an accident. And then we saw another plane head in on tv and we knew something weird was up then. Then there was finally confirmation. Also looking at the first plane crash we had no idea the tower would go down. That was unbelievable too. I think these people did the best they could with not having a hijacking in 30ish years. Eventually they got into the right mindset and airports and the faa shut it all down after that second hit. Unfortunately 77 and 93 were already up in the air by then.
so how is your ATC school coming? Did the FAA sign everyone up for your expertise?
ATC would ordinarily have received a squawk 7500 to indicate an hijacking unless the crew were overcome too quickly to do it. In hijackings up to that date demands would be being made air to ground from the cockpit. So not absurd at all. I expect they knew the hijackers would be able to enter the cockpit but in the past usually they force the crew to land instead of killing them, the inference here of IN the cockpit made it clear they were behind the controls, far more dangerous than a hijacking where at least the crew is still flying the plane. Please be aware of your lack of air mindedness when assessing an aviation situation.
And you are such an expert?.
Slim line between airminded and airheaded. My comment stand.
American 11 Boston? American 11 Boston???,? I shudder to think what absolute horror was happening on board at that moment.
...aye I thought the same...and those first words the controller transmitted to the plane were telling. His voice changed with every call :- Normal transmission - Inquisitive transmission - Concerned transmission - Calls Boss transmission.
All you need to know about ISLAM You should have learned on 9 11
Flight 175 telling atc they heard a suspicious transmission is rough. They heard it first hand, but didn't know they would be the next victims.
That's exactly what I was thinking. 175 was helping out ATC and within minutes they were going to be hijacked and their fate was sealed. Nearly 23 years later I begin to cry thinking of that day so many innocent lives were lost.
The children we saw from a daycare being evacuated in NYC are now in their mid 20s.
R.I.P. to all who died that day 🕊
This and the people who were on the left side of Flight 175 would have seen the burning south tower and where they were headed.
You meant they must have seen the burning north tower@@SunshinePip
14:30 The woman is now talking about the flight attendant's last words. The plane has hit.
ATC has the highest suicide rate in the Air Force, and i unfortunately get it...😢
Yeah I’ve heard it’s one of the most stressful jobs… the thought of being that mentally alert constantly, with so little room for error, and such severe consequences in the event of error is exhausting to think about - and I used to be a trauma ICU nurse!
12:13 The guy who muted the phone number being quoted did a bad job - you can make out the number in its entirety
And??
@@julieann4616 Ya, really!! 🤨
"It's a hijack? Cool!"
Imagine the lifetime of regret for having said this not knowing what shit was about to transpire. Saying it on tape for everyone to hear for history.
I refuse to judge anyone for that kind of remark. This kinda thing would have been unprecedented, hijackings back then seldom resulted in this kind of outcome and regardless, sarcasm is a thing.
They initially thought it was a training exercise and not "real world." That's why, at the beginning, people are saying "real world."
@@fuzzydunlop7928Just because they didn't know the full magnitude of the situation does not excuse the monumental stupidity of saying a bunch of people in peril is cool.
@@Syren2023 sometimes people use "cool" instead of "acknowledged".
@@jordach545. When they do use ‘cool’ as ‘I acknowledge’ it is because they are usually letting their voices trail off a bit when pronouncing it; an emphatic, high pitched ‘Cool!!🎉’ is NOT the same thing, and that is what that girl did, so I don’t have sympathy.
My goodness, this is scary!
The professionalism is heartbreaking. Still.
Thank you for this Gloucester County...
These recordings of the NORAD activity are so ironic. They're scrambling aircraft 15 minutes AFTER American 11 hit the WTC.
Back then the communications between agencies was awful. Nothing like this was ever delt with before (hence the no sense of urgency and more of the confusion)
Since then major changes were made.
Washington Center had little idea what was going on until planes headed their way. They had about 10 minutes warning.
@@LCERRPThe birth of the ICS.
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3:43 for the time stamp crowd
@@volstron 343, I think he meant the numbers of NY fire fighters who died on this day.
Correct that’s what he meant
Unprepared😮😢😢😢😢
"Get somebody who can scramble F15's" 40 Mins Later: "Get me someone who can authorise Military Aircraft". Utterly Disgraceful. "We'll shut down the Airspace." - After both Towers were hit. Bit Late.
They didn’t know how many more planes could be hijacked. There were at least three aircraft who weren’t responding to radio calls after the initial attacks who were going to be treated as threats. Point is they had to shutdown air traffic nationwide.
there was no time to do anything about it anyway, even if the qra fighters had got in the air right away they had no orders to shoot down civilian aircraft until it was too late. Those orders had to come from DPTOUS and POTUS himself.
@@anonymous2513456 There was plenty of time to do something - from the instant Betty Ong called early on.
Firstly, scrambling aircraft isn't the same as authorizing military aircraft - they likely mean the authorization to shoot aircraft down as opposed to initiating the scramble, which is the easy part. They would have expected the aircraft to land at an airport, by the time it eould be over an urban area, the decision to shoot down becomes even more difficult because of the risk of casualties on the ground, and by the time the jet was approaching the tower it would be too late. Near impossible to stop the first aircraft. Secondly, multiple hijackings was COMPLETELY unprecedented, by the time the second aircraft was near the towers it would also likely he too late. Thirdly, pilots send out a code if they are hijacked - UNLESS they are incapacitated too rapidly to do it, reducing the time available to ATC to resolve the issue, only lack of communication/change in flight direction would indicate a problem. Fourth, ATC did issue direction to ground all aircraft quickly - of course it takes time to actually land those aircraft. Their communication could have been better by being more concise, the stewardess Betty should never had had to go through to Reservations to get hold of someone, they should have scrambled immediately etc. Yes it could be improved but it was absolutely not disgraceful. You're applying hindsight and forgetting how small the time to respond was, and even if they had time, they were in a near impossible situation.
"Is this real world? Cool!" Shudder
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Shame how our government allowed this to happen.
Bush did it
so atc had it but the airforce didn't.......
Had what?
@@EKL-qu7ih probably talking about the hijacking information and their positions, unlike the military who had so poor communication that day, so much so they knew about the flight 93 hijacking almost 10 minutes after it
Crazy amount of incompetence. Disgrace
Because of the two war games being conducted on the day. Global Guardian and Able Danger
People need to remember this was almost 25 years ago and we didn't even have GPS back then. Save your nasty replies until you do some research and study the history.
27:30 is such a breakdown in communication, it’s frustrating
So much of the conversation they have is too
Any dynamic situation there are communication problems. This was unprecedented and involved many layers. It is not like a bomb that goes off. This involves the entire US aviation sector. Involves the military. Involves two cities. Hijackings were not assumed to be flying into buildings. By the afternoon of Sept 11 the entire US aviation was shut down. I look at that day as amusing how quickly the US responded to was was unthinkable a few hours earlier.
They thought flight 11 was still in the air after the buildings collapsed. Information moved so slow then. Nobody expected it. It's not even a complicated plan at all by todays security standard
@@johns1625 Exceptional information always moves a lot slower. It takes time to comprehend anything that is so out of the ordinary as this was. Even with today's communication options, action would not have been much quicker. Moreover, anyone in aviation is trained to stay calm and collected, and be precise in what they say and don't say. That is crucial.
Also, you are not hearing everything. This is only a few channels.
Don't forget that what you hear is not chronological. There are various calls after each other that in real time were taking place at the same time. It can appear slow - it may not have been.
I’d like to know how they learned how to use the FMS. They claimed that the terrorists took flying lessons. That’s dandy, but taking lessons in a Cessna 172 with either no Nav Computer or a Garmen,, and flying a Commercial Airliner with a FMS is Completely different. They would’ve had to gain control of the plane, then know how to cancel the flight plan on the FMS, then enter a new flight plan, assuming they used an airport identification near their target,, to get the path to the target area. There are Gen Av pilots out there that have been flying for years, and don’t know how to use a FMS. And I don’t see how someone that’s not from this country and has never flown, knows which heading to fly, to get to a certain point. It could happen if they acted from the ground, but their position at the time of taking control of the plane, would be random, so the heading wouldn’t be correct.
Have a read of the 9/11 commission report. Search the .pdf for “737”, “charts”, “gps” and “autopilot”. If someone wants to override the FMC and hand fly, press the big “disengage” button below the “A/P engage” buttons. That said - the FMC isn’t rocket science. Press LEGS, select the waypoints down the right, press DEL for each to clear them, add a new waypoint near NY from the charts they had with them and press execute. They obviously found their way. We also found our way to the moon in 1969 and the Earth is in fact round.
They paid for simulator time in B767...not that they would have needed any FMS knowledge - it was a clear, VFR day. Disconnect and navigate visually was all that was required.