Zeus Overview - ArmA 3 Tutorial and Guide

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  • @Jester814
    @Jester814  10 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    yay

    • @cream657
      @cream657 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Jester814 can you use the zeus mode to set up a normal mission, then delete the module and everything will be left? or destroyed?

    • @ShadowFlipsy
      @ShadowFlipsy 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think the Real is Brown effect that creates extreme awesome graphic for no power lose - for me is more realistic cuz before i can see behind a bush now with it the enemy can actually hide well

    • @chardwreck
      @chardwreck 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jester814 As usual Jester, great video! I spent the better part of last night trying to find details an setting up Zeus and was more confused than when I started.
      Any chance we can talk you into doing future Zeus videos going into details on the other Zeus related modules?
      Thanks again for a great video.

    • @Slimson_
      @Slimson_ 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how come when i pull up Zeus, the create category is empty???

    • @CrazySimox
      @CrazySimox 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jester814 Hello thx for the great video but i have a problem while trying to go in the game i get some sort of an error when i click on the preview button after syncing the zeus with the player !! ( i get : No entry 'bin\Config.Bin\CfgPatches.stkr_l129a1 ) Can u help me !?

  • @SlavelikeConstructs
    @SlavelikeConstructs 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Zeus frowns upon cowardice." *BOOM BOOM BOOM.*
    I love you already.
    -Valk

  • @mathewology
    @mathewology 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you were calling in CAS and Arty at the end, this all reminded me of World in Conflict, it definitely gave off that esk, rather nostalgic for me

  • @slayr-gh9sx
    @slayr-gh9sx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best tutorial ever bro thx so much for posting this , you post best videos appreciate them keep em coming, enjoyed ur Skyrim live stream. Great seeing people playing classics

  • @Myndvor
    @Myndvor 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent intro vid, Jester :) Loving your work, keep it up...your videos are keeping me sane in my baby induced gaming hiatus! :)

  • @ookachuca
    @ookachuca 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your instructional videos Jester. Thanks man.

  • @Hords
    @Hords 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 3D editor in this looks freaking sweet remember fighting like hell in Arma 2 to get the 3D version to work when porting the save over to the 2d editor

  • @gregfincher1295
    @gregfincher1295 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A 2018 Up dated version of this video would help so many trooper out there. Jester814; I gave been following you for 4 years, I have not been on face book looking for you; but you have skills. I am just honored to be able to find what I need and go right back into combat. I have a book which was started in 1999 when I got into arma 3 to help other player live in the world of .

  • @derpysaurus1694
    @derpysaurus1694 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes! Finally learned how to change altitude! Thanks :D

  • @rmysargesquid
    @rmysargesquid 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I don't think they made it" xD funniest part of that vid by far! Keep it up man

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    omg! I was looking away for a second and you said, "Play sounds, what does that do?" then an ad started and I was really confused for a second.

  • @gametimeproductionsgtp3506
    @gametimeproductionsgtp3506 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    This really helped thanks

  • @GeekFurious
    @GeekFurious 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so much fun to use, with so many possibilities.

  • @thehdskillz345
    @thehdskillz345 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx man. Very helpfull video!

  • @jed6rar
    @jed6rar 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    i definitely agree with your camp ideas i would like to add
    1.being able to select the faction that are going to be in the camp before you put the camp down
    2.being able to download user created camps

  • @reidferguson5115
    @reidferguson5115 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome! I recently tried ZEUS with one of my mods, the Canadian Forces Mod (excellent mod by the way, you should try it out), and all its assets work perfectly thus far with the ZEUS editor.

  • @TheCrosby8
    @TheCrosby8 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yay!!!!! More tactical lightning. ;D

  • @Lokolopes7
    @Lokolopes7 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really wish they make a 3D mission editor based on the Zeus editor, that would make creating custom missions so much easier and interactive in some ways...

  • @jackson3327
    @jackson3327 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot for the help dude

  • @MalachiJM
    @MalachiJM 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the vid

  • @joesgotya9930
    @joesgotya9930 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do hope they give us a way to save template missions like in the vanilla editor. But man, this is incredible!

  • @stephenrahauiser7760
    @stephenrahauiser7760 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for explaining how to set this up. Is there or will there be a way to save these missions in the future.

  • @tavissmith5859
    @tavissmith5859 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, I was crying laughing at that barrage of man and God power on that unlucky squad.
    ZEUS FROWNS UPON COWARDICE

  • @REAPER-nh3io
    @REAPER-nh3io 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice thanks bud

  • @Canzandridas
    @Canzandridas 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again, I love you :D

  • @MultiGamingNetwork03
    @MultiGamingNetwork03 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jester I'm not sure if you discovered it yet or not but you can activate NV mode while in Zeus by pressing the button you use to activate your NVGs while playing in night missions.

  • @predatorvmt
    @predatorvmt 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I already can see myself go full-"Matrix" mode on the enemy AI. :D

  • @timetickinggifts6385
    @timetickinggifts6385 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, you are aweasome

  • @Nuka_
    @Nuka_ 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jester, I'm not sure if you'll still respond to comments on an oldish video like this, but I'm a new sub, and I was wondering with you could make a tutorial on how to add AI radio text chatter (no audio) into your editor missions. I've tried lots of different ways and none seem to work.

  • @simoneriksson6489
    @simoneriksson6489 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you use a mod called "mcc sandbox" (which by the way work in a similiar way as zeus to instantly create missions) you could use zeus to first build the map/mission however you want to, then go to your playable character. Once in-game you scroll the middle-mouse and get mcc sandbox. Click on it to open it and enter the sandbox editor window. There you can save your mission like you would with a regular game, with everything allready positioned on the map. So one could use zeus as a way to first build the mission (if one finds that easier to use than mcc sandbox itself) and then save the intire thing using mcc sandbox. This, ofc, if you've installed the mod. One thing I've found though is that once you re-open the saved mission using sandbox, it will not detect the allready placed units on the map that you created with zeus. They will still be there, but not recognizable as icons or markers. But units that you have placed using mcc sandbox will still be visible on the map. The good thing is that the mcc sandbox mod also works with other mods that you use (units, helicopters, planes etc).
    In the mcc sandbox editor window, you can use the map and place "zones" wherever you want, then choose different options if you want the mod to create a mission instantly for you (randomly placed units in the zone with a random mission - secure or kill HVT, infiltrate base, steal documents etc) or if you want to place units manually. I like the mcc sandbox, and find the camera angles of zeus a little frustrating to work with but to each their own. But one thing I've allways disliked is the stupid AI. No matter if you create your mission through Zeus or mcc sandbox, they're too damn stupid, and vehicles for example seldom stick to the roads. I would hope that Bohemia would come up with a fix for this, or rather that they improve upon this in a future ArmA game.

  • @michaelfreer36
    @michaelfreer36 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being able to save models would be nice. Build a FOB, select it all, right click or something to save. Then later on you have a little drop down of all your saved "models".

  • @Steggman
    @Steggman 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Jester, do you know if Zeus items exist as objects/assets (are they place-able in editor) or are they generated on the fly with scripts?
    (I'd like to use the CAS air strike on a map click without giving access to all of Zeus, but can't figure it out).

  • @skyzin7187
    @skyzin7187 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    very helpful, thanks.

    • @tungstenkid2271
      @tungstenkid2271 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +SkyZen- Hi, I've got Arma3 and play against AI units in my home-made scenarios. If I get Zeus can i use it to order my own sides units around during the game, or is it for human vs human multiplay only?

    • @skyzin7187
      @skyzin7187 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tungsten Kid im not sure? im guessing you can.

    • @tungstenkid2271
      @tungstenkid2271 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks, i've been dabbling with Zeus but it don't blow my socks off. In fact I'm looking forward to AA3 APEX to be released in summer which'll give us new tanks and stuff..:)

  • @luketippings-latham595
    @luketippings-latham595 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, Jester i've got to say over the past two weeks these tutorials have seriously helped me out on getting to know the ArmA 3 Mission Editor. Nice Job.
    I've been wondering though - since there is still no 3D editor live in ArmA 3 it's a pain to keep previewing the mssion to ensure that buildings and fortifications are in the right place. Could we use the Zeus as some form of supplement to a 3D editor? And would all the elements placed remain there after you exit?

    • @Jester814
      @Jester814  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Use MCC: forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?150909-MCC-Sandbox-3-Dynamic-mission-creating-tool-for-ArmA-3

  • @Professor_Taiga-Vanguard
    @Professor_Taiga-Vanguard 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    i never knew you were a radio operator, that enplanes your precise spacial awareness call outs in game.
    Was your time in the Army fulfilling?

  • @IACUnited13
    @IACUnited13 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jester814 How familiar are you at setting up point or triggers that deal with time? Such as skipping ahead or reverting back to a point in the story.

  • @charlesseymour5910
    @charlesseymour5910 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @okolepuka808
    @okolepuka808 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey jester: is zeus going to improve AI intelligence and make player vs. AI more realistic, more like player vs.player?

  • @Chilcix
    @Chilcix 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can Zeus be used as a 3D Mission Editor?

  • @user-sg4qn8yo4g
    @user-sg4qn8yo4g 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you use the AI Helis and jets that stay in constantly and the UAVS that you can spawn in?

  • @IceTactics
    @IceTactics 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    SZ Army mod! NIIICE!

  • @leadminer21
    @leadminer21 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    In military jargon, running away is known as a tactical withdrawal just the same as hiding is taking cover.

    • @acequake91
      @acequake91 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes its also called desertion.

    • @cook7973
      @cook7973 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      acequake91 Or Breaking Contact.
      You're of no use to your command if you're dead.

    • @zombievideos247
      @zombievideos247 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lucas Cook Corpses make good guards though.
      I mean no one's destroy the ammo dump yet right?
      Right?

    • @Cleancrazy1
      @Cleancrazy1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They aren't retreating they are advancing in a different direction.

  • @r3dhawk3
    @r3dhawk3 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was never keen on the mission editor but i figure if you know how to use it might it be possible to make a film of shorts with ais reactions as the base

  • @nicocarello7951
    @nicocarello7951 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video of all the modded USMC units you use?

  • @treesap1083
    @treesap1083 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great fucking video! everything I needed to know

  • @Haloxstevo
    @Haloxstevo 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Drum you think the mod will allow you to upload your own music into the audio modules. Just think about it you could play any song at the right moment to make it like a movie or just for emersion.

  • @DPDjUdlejning
    @DPDjUdlejning 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you use Zeus to build a Camp and then use the Site Module in the editor to man the buildings? :-)

  • @DevilDog19921
    @DevilDog19921 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice tutorial man. I finaly figured out how to use it :D The showcase is damn stupid giving tasks not telling how to do it..XD

    • @MichaelEastor
      @MichaelEastor 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well it is a showcase not a tutorial, they are different things

  • @veterankasrkin7416
    @veterankasrkin7416 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lightning warfare!

  • @Kingwerewolf979
    @Kingwerewolf979 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how did you get this zues interface because mine doesnt have the camps and road blocks

  • @thothheartmaat2833
    @thothheartmaat2833 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is pretty crazy so you can play this game in this mode like diablo like a top down company commander game instead of as a single unit.. that completely changes the game.. dam you can do anything with this game..

    • @Jester814
      @Jester814  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's a mod that lets you do that but it's been so many years I don't remember its name.

  • @welsh2266
    @welsh2266 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could we use this like the 3d editor, then save it to MP so we could play as we used to? Cheers

    • @ScouseMouse129
      @ScouseMouse129 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not yet but devs have been talking about there being a save option.

    • @burakmelek4820
      @burakmelek4820 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Now you can open a hamachi server host a server create a map from editor save as mp and play it

  • @wilsondq0c
    @wilsondq0c 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tutorial, learnt many new stuff! But how do I make helicopters land? When I make them get out they just jump off and die.

    • @wilsondq0c
      @wilsondq0c 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      OMG I just created a detailed base with Zeus and I couldn't figure how to save it for future use! Please help!

    • @squidproquo3108
      @squidproquo3108 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wilson Lee You can't save by default. Use this mod I slapped together steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=257006866 and you can though :). Happy hunting

  • @robertwickline347
    @robertwickline347 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you save what you put down in zeus mode? For example if I place a person make it move then save out, will it be saved in the mission in the editor or no?

    • @squidproquo3108
      @squidproquo3108 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      I made a modified version where you can. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=257006866. Check it out sir dude.

  • @rotcfaley
    @rotcfaley 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you please make a massive co-op that involves A-10 Warthogs? It would be badass!!

  • @seanatkinson5932
    @seanatkinson5932 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    can u save after you are done building?

  • @Aliasalpha
    @Aliasalpha 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what happens if the player linked to zeus gets killed when in the zeus interface?

  • @HydratedBeans
    @HydratedBeans 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been hit by lightning. Queue PTSD from Zeus mod

  • @Matthew.1994
    @Matthew.1994 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    when i am in the ediotr and place a unit, my fps drops to 1 fps.. only in the editor screen

  • @stalhuth
    @stalhuth 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    and how do you save all that to do an editor mission?

  • @Shadowtalongaming
    @Shadowtalongaming 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yay

  • @chrishorvath6644
    @chrishorvath6644 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    why cant i save with zues? i made my base and stuff then wanted to lay down some shit inside buildings and units and the when i hit save it did nothing and everytihng was gone when i came back

  • @myopicthunder
    @myopicthunder 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    game keeps getting stuck at load screen, and theres no keybind for Zeus in the full release version.

  • @ariton2990
    @ariton2990 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please help, when i click PREVIEW in editor it says: No entry confing.bin bla bla bla. How to fix this?

  • @sebastiaankuijs5564
    @sebastiaankuijs5564 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you make a map and then save it in zeus for later ?

  • @KrisT-1
    @KrisT-1 ปีที่แล้ว

    How would I find prop mods and buildings in editor?I have a prebuilt underground bunker mod and a few cars that I can't find. There's not much online about editor tutorials.

    • @Jester814
      @Jester814  ปีที่แล้ว

      no idea

    • @KrisT-1
      @KrisT-1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I finally found it. It was just buried in my props page. But...any idea where to find car mods in the entity list? I apologize for my noob-ism! I installed a BMW motorcycle and an Escalade, but they are not under any of my asset pages. Arma 3 Info seems a little scarce online.

  • @jmr2008jan
    @jmr2008jan 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awwwww man, MP is going to get so much better :D
    When the GM takes control of a soldier, can it be a MP player? For instance can a GM drop a MP player that's being a troll into a jail for example? Since apparently hitting them with lightning doesn't seem to work very well.

  • @TheWenzaa
    @TheWenzaa 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chemlight + smoke at night looks awesome, and makes the smoke visible.
    If you select a group of units, hold control and click as if grouping or ungrouping individual units, it will do so for all units selected.
    Awesome tutorial, I learned a few things that I'd missed on the dev build :)
    Anyone know how to make a helicopter land using zeus? I can't figure this out, if it is even possible.

    • @snakespreader
      @snakespreader 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try pressing G

    • @TheWenzaa
      @TheWenzaa 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah tried that, didn't go so well. Pretty hilarious result, the pilot, crew and passengers bailed out in the air, heli crashed into the airbase I was trying to get it to land at.
      G just tells units to leave the current vehicle I think.

    • @snakespreader
      @snakespreader 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it does, useful for paratroopers though. The best way to do it is simply take control of the helicopter with the control module and land it yourself

  • @TheMrFu
    @TheMrFu 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    So should I use this instead of MCC? Can you save things created in Zeus?

    • @ThEOnLyScHoFF
      @ThEOnLyScHoFF 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use both, they compliment each other

  • @gexay
    @gexay 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    They need this functionality in the actual mission editor. Then this game would be perfect

  • @noavanvoorthuisen3403
    @noavanvoorthuisen3403 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    when i do this and i load the game i get to see config bin/cfgpaches.sud_GW_wpn so i can't use zeus, how do i fix that??

  • @joshtissaw6197
    @joshtissaw6197 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    what do u maen when u seid ctrl down

  • @Gribletastic
    @Gribletastic 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like A Total War

  • @Fitzpatrick65
    @Fitzpatrick65 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there any way to put down napalms.

  • @BACAHUD
    @BACAHUD 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello man. I'm a bit lost. I want to play with friend. So we go on tunngle and start playing with arma3server. But we don't have any mod. Do you know how to had mod ?

  • @bobrowe6916
    @bobrowe6916 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I add units to my own group?

  • @darkslayer13371
    @darkslayer13371 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you save your Zeus stuff

  • @johntom7237
    @johntom7237 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    The lighting bolts will it keep going or will it just happen that one time

    • @johntom7237
      @johntom7237 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TB Mikhaylov thanks

  • @jovanicalixte6810
    @jovanicalixte6810 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    how can i use it in multiplayer

  • @JohnDoe-hl9tq
    @JohnDoe-hl9tq 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    20:05 lol

  • @vitinnybertoldi8767
    @vitinnybertoldi8767 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    how to turn the ..rotaçao objects .. thanks

  • @ry_dog_6924
    @ry_dog_6924 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I luv ur vidz but that was a recon team u selected not a rifle team

  • @menacetosociety00
    @menacetosociety00 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    So do u need to download zeus dlc or just go to moldules pls help

  • @dzenkorakuzanka1371
    @dzenkorakuzanka1371 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool

  • @Est8sArt
    @Est8sArt 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    anyone else having quite some CTD's when making a Zeus mission in the editor?

  • @halfborn
    @halfborn 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    At one point he mentions that he is using a modded version of zeus. Anyone know what mod he is using?

  • @drewvelasco2934
    @drewvelasco2934 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how do i rotate

  • @Hubrisza
    @Hubrisza 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know if Shay_gman is involved in Zeus? The resemblance to MCC is uncanny.

  • @velvetcake5425
    @velvetcake5425 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    has anyone tried making a RTS style mission with zeus?

  • @stopndrop4588
    @stopndrop4588 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was the 900th like :D

  • @lukesmolen9997
    @lukesmolen9997 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do i place a person on a level above like a tower or second story

    • @Jester814
      @Jester814  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      hold alt down and click and drag

  • @jacobside2656
    @jacobside2656 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have synched the Zeus to the playable opforce and when I go to run the mission Zeus doesn't work.. I can pick the opforce to play.

    • @scottstanickyj1686
      @scottstanickyj1686 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jacob Side it is y at default he changed it to shift try y

  • @emaproduction4073
    @emaproduction4073 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you

  • @GodoftheSword
    @GodoftheSword 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I don't think they made it..." LOL!

  • @rookie4632
    @rookie4632 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does it know who has access to Zeus and who does not for multiplayer?

    • @scottstanickyj1686
      @scottstanickyj1686 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rook Ie if you sync it it will only be you who has Zeus

  • @SuperSuchties
    @SuperSuchties 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    cant make it work if i host a local multiplayer session.

  • @Tomswift1234
    @Tomswift1234 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like they should have put a few more features into Zeus before they released it.

    • @SamohtNox
      @SamohtNox 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      like what?

  • @isakAllstrin
    @isakAllstrin 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    can't get to zeus owerveiwe :(

  • @daimenbols3982
    @daimenbols3982 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the video but how can i save it

    • @webgard_
      @webgard_ 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can't yet but the devs have been talking about a save option

    • @daimenbols3982
      @daimenbols3982 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ok

  • @predatorvmt
    @predatorvmt 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Between MCC and zues, which is better?

    • @Socialistdrummer
      @Socialistdrummer 10 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I'd say both have their ups and downs - Zeus brings MCC to those who don't want to mod and allows for a more powerful tool for mission making, MCC allows for dynamic combat though its coding and features that are absent in Zeus. I think, if used in tandem, one would be able to create a really amazing experience. MCC is very pre-combat, whereas Zeus should be implemented during combat.

    • @predatorvmt
      @predatorvmt 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you.
      You are awesome for such a clear-cut answer, sir.

    • @Socialistdrummer
      @Socialistdrummer 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No problem.

    • @Jester814
      @Jester814  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Neither one. They both do different things. I will be using both together.