Why Do We Not Use Harvester’s and Forwarders?

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
  • Explaining why we use the equipment we use instead of the cut to length Harvester’s and forwarder’s.

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  • @timmyfrierson2684
    @timmyfrierson2684 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video Thomas and man I’m still praying for you and I hope everything is going good for you so y’all stay safe out there and keep the videos coming my friend

  • @Loggerman101
    @Loggerman101 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In central Michigan where we cut only beautiful red pine harvesters and forwarders make sense. We do cut to length and the truck has its own loader and loads the wood himself.

  • @billyshumate853
    @billyshumate853 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Thomas. There's a place for everything. Just gotta be in the right place

  • @zombie5544
    @zombie5544 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We use a forwarder when 3 skidders get jammed up it helps out a lot great videos bro

  • @georgehoff8909
    @georgehoff8909 ปีที่แล้ว

    That wide mouth on that delimber is a loader man’s best friend!! Keep up your awesome work!!

  • @ponsseguy
    @ponsseguy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You are right as far as what a harvester would produce per day, and also that the underbrush would be a production killer. However, I wonder what the actual cost per ton difference to put wood on the truck would be. I'm not sure that the smaller timber you tend to cut would be a good place to run harvester and forwarder, but in a bit larger timber I think you would start to close the production gap. Also one of the things southern logger don't seem to realize with CTL systems is the amount of sawlogs that can more easily be merchandized vs delimber/loader set up. I am hearing reports of tracts that were not worth sorting sawlogs out of yielding 60% sawlogs (chip n saw or whatever you call it) Another option is to fell the timber with the cutter and run the harvester and forwarder behind it. That would pick up production 30-40% in the type of wood you're in.

    • @ironmule
      @ironmule ปีที่แล้ว

      One problem is that they are usually paid by the ton so getting small sawlogs out of a tree isn't a concern. It just slows them down.

  • @jacobcarter34
    @jacobcarter34 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have the same issue in our state. South Carolina is full of underbrush in pine stands because people don’t do controlled burns anymore. We have 4-5 chip markets as well so we chip all the underbrush that’s worth cutting and not running over with the rubber tires. We also have an 855 track cutter for the wet ground because we cut hardwood swamps from time to time. Big markets here in South Carolina for hardwood as well.

  • @pjthehero1
    @pjthehero1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's like trying to talk to a lad in a nightclub, hearing every 2nd word😀😀

  • @patriciabodie4200
    @patriciabodie4200 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video, but the audio on my tablet is awful, my ear buds can't pick up your voice and some of the background noise is overwhelming and gives you no voice, but I am still watching!

    • @CuttingEdgeLogging_Thomas
      @CuttingEdgeLogging_Thomas  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re the only one to complain about audio, you probably need to watch on a different device

    • @robbuckley6005
      @robbuckley6005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was difficult to hear you talking when you were by the feller buncher.

    • @Ollila11
      @Ollila11 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Audio was terrible. Hear nothing you speak.

  • @masaharumorimoto4761
    @masaharumorimoto4761 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Newfoundland back in 2007 a Harvester Processor was going for 750,000 buckaroos... I remember walking the dealership in Corner Brook and being shocked at the sticker prices, I bet the fancy models are over 1.2 million now!

  • @carlwilliams1570
    @carlwilliams1570 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did first thinnings with a cut to length setup in the 80's. We were cutting everything 8ft 4 for fence post. The southern underbrush was very hard on the processor and really slows production. The stem count you run, a harvestor would be lucky to cut 2 to 2 1/2 loads a day of 18ft wood. I would get 2 loads a day with the fowarder operator also driving the truck on 0-40 mile hauls. In the South your method is still the most cost effective and productive! Keep at it!

    • @ironmule
      @ironmule ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cost effective? With the operating costs now nothing is going to be cost effective for very much longer.

    • @carlwilliams1570
      @carlwilliams1570 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ironmule Hey Ironmule 2004, I had a 5050 Ironmule with the 3 speed funk power shift.

  • @coxandsonmachine2128
    @coxandsonmachine2128 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not a logger but enjoy your channel. My dad loged here in Alabama for several years he mainly ran the loader and hauled loads to the mill sometimes. Keep it up great job.

  • @paavo2525
    @paavo2525 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a forest owner from norther Europe all those draging trees on ground, doesnt seems efficient, but regional how hole systems from standing trees to how trees prosessed in factory and distannces, in europe ctl is norm and you have your style. Here logistick between harvester groups, lorrys and papermills, saws, are hole and own level of know how. faktory knows online what harverster doing and what is coming (example, logs for plywood, logs for paper, and biomass) And all go hand in hand. Tree of biggesr end wood machin faktory is few 100km between here JD Ponnse and Komatsu, all CTL models from those. Still intresting to see your work

  • @williamharris1890
    @williamharris1890 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish my pay would increase like these new tractor prices lol I ordered a 822e and 620h that’ll be here in 6 months. 350to360k on skidder and 550tp560k on the 822. Good video

  • @andyp5853
    @andyp5853 ปีที่แล้ว

    Still love your videos great job 👏 👍 Mr

  • @OUKRH5
    @OUKRH5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are right, but in Europe you are just not allowed to do clear cut, except for bark beatle felling or so. So you would never ever have enough work to keep a feller buncher busy, most of logging in Austria is in quite steep terrain, were it is often no place for a real landing, so thats why harvester and forwarders are more common here. And of course there is a lot of cable logging.

  • @slasha86
    @slasha86 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think harvesters and forwarders are primarily designed to work in regenerative forests with logging trails which are as far from each other as possible. For example for our forest, which is dominated by spruce, we bought a harvester-forwarder-combination with 10 meter boom reach (32 feet), so that our logging trails could be apart by 20 meters (64 feet). This gives us a large space in between the trails which is not compressed by the machines, where new trees could grow as soon as possible. In a scenario, where you would just eliminate the forest, i don't see a purpose for those kind of machines.

  • @justinrumbley3665
    @justinrumbley3665 ปีที่แล้ว

    Couple of things I'm curious about. What excuse does the mill give for wanting the tops cut off and do the mills take cut to length or non tree length pulp anymore?

  • @kimberlysimonds9470
    @kimberlysimonds9470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video!! Hot saws bang out wood so much faster..😎

  • @alanb9337
    @alanb9337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has anyone tried a Timberpro 630 (6x6 wheel, buncher boom with a quadco hotsaw) in flat ground Southern pine thinning? (youtube has a few videos in hardwoods, keywords Timberpro 630 quadco or 830 (8x8 wheel) tds22). A Tigercat or JD version (with Tigercat or JD bunching head) might be preferable.

  • @RJM1011
    @RJM1011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have driven Forwarders for others since 2001 then I brought my own a few years later and I ended up being owed £7,000.00 plus in wages and I lost everything I had worked to buy inc my home.

  • @JensBayBalloons
    @JensBayBalloons ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm 15 and I'm really interested in getting in to operating logging equipment how would I recommend me going about it and is there a school for learning to operate the cutters

  • @natetheaxebattles2898
    @natetheaxebattles2898 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just curious, why don't yall run a harvester with a delimber combo?

  • @JustinSchrock-zt5wx
    @JustinSchrock-zt5wx 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You need to come check my crew out. I run Ponsse and we do around 400 tons a day

  • @leonflemming354
    @leonflemming354 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess the main reason why your style of logging isn't done in europe and most other places is the high initial setup cost.
    Moving all those machines to site for 1-2 days of work would cost way too much, meanwhile just 2 machines are much more manageable and flexible even for tiny patches

  • @woodfarmer8413
    @woodfarmer8413 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you even break even with all that iron and such small diameter wood?

  • @hastingshayandtreefarm4402
    @hastingshayandtreefarm4402 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your definitely right that youpon would ruin one of those harvesters for sure.

  • @johac7637
    @johac7637 ปีที่แล้ว

    No one size fits all, look up Bjarne Butler, on TH-cam, and see how I feel trees, worked with his dad for years, our logs are over 1/2 removed from the woods by Helicopter.
    Just repaired a Cat 518C transmission in a grapple skidder, but it to has it's purpose too, , British Columbia is not all sidehills, heli jobs, we harvest toothpick too. Very little hardwoods, but we could.

  • @ervinbratlien8741
    @ervinbratlien8741 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most questions of "why do it that way " in logging are easily answered ........Cost Per Ton

  • @glennmoore3764
    @glennmoore3764 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone use delimbing gates anymore?

  • @rogereagles3491
    @rogereagles3491 ปีที่แล้ว

    All depending on what the mill takes

  • @natetheaxebattles2898
    @natetheaxebattles2898 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get a kick outta watchin yall with all the fancy equipment rippin trees. Im up here in VT on the Canadian border still using chainsaws and johnd deere cable rig. Man, I need me a nice big feller-buncher so I can sit my big ass in a heated cab! lol

  • @6Diego1Diego9
    @6Diego1Diego9 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much money do you make? What is your gross income per year?

  • @stevengonyaw1617
    @stevengonyaw1617 ปีที่แล้ว

    After equipment payments, fuel, maintenance, and payroll, these guys aren't making crap for profit.

  • @rogernilsson_Swe
    @rogernilsson_Swe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And the forest after your work looks like shit!
    No enviroment thinking at all