Graphite Shafts vs Steel Shafts in Irons - Ping i200 Heads
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- Ever wondered just how much difference using steel or graphite shafted irons makes? In the video we get in the stduio and out on the golf course to find out exactly that... with some quite interesting results!!!
A super concise and super informative splendid video, you cut straight to the chase . I wish the video s that you post today would keep to this small talk free , catch phrase free format.👍
the pings look like my taylormade rac os from about 10 years ago!! great review enjoyed that.
I just want to add that you can get graphite in heavier weights similar to steel shafts. I went from Nippon Modus 105 to Project X LZ graphite and the shaft weight is pretty close and my irons are still very workable and has helped me with elbow pain.
Thanks Tom!
Very helpful info for a tall strong lady golfer. Really enjoy your channel . Love your passion and clear succinct presentation. Tks Necia Australia
Graphite shafts in irons feel stiffer than the same flex in steel. I always played stiff in steel but for graphite I might go reg flex. I was shocked and initially thought it would be the opposite. Just my observation.
1:50 I just find it interesting on how many good golfers & golf videos are from the UK where it's cold and wet as compared to say Florida or Arizona. Kudos to many of you there that have your golf studio (man cave).
Cheers dude :)
I've never hit the graphite one but the steel shaft I rested with Rick was fantastic and flew a mile. Really good clubs
The graphite shafts is a breath of fresh air for a iron shaft mate. Nice and light but still fairly stable. Ping onto a winner there.
I just purchased the Mizuno JPX 900 Forged irons and played with them for the first time today. They have the UST Recoil 9R5 F3 graphite shafts. I hit them 8 yards further than the KBS Tour 90's I tried, Straight with both. Graphite's a little more draw with them. Plus I'm 63 now and soon to be 64. Big difference for me as my steel shafts were stiff and the clubs almost 20 years old.
I went with Recoil 760 ES graphite shafts in my Apex c16 irons. I'm a senior golfer so it seemed a natural fit for me. They do feel good and perform well.
Just switched over to Recoil 110 f4. Love the feel and found them to be more consistent in distance. Next step is to build a "studio" like yours. I'm a little jealous.
Are you still using the 110 f4s? I'm looking in to making the change from DG s300s. Do you still like the f4s?
James, new to your channel and very much enjoying your content. Wishing you many subscribers and success. Keep up the good work. Mich from New York City.
Thanks Mich I really appreciate that so much! So glad your enjoying the content! Your a gentleman!
I bloody love this channel! Keep it up!
Thanks Simon !!! Means a lot that! Spread the word!! 😊😊😊👍🏼🎥🎥🎥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I got a graphite shaft 6 iron big Bertha out of the lost and found and man what a game changer I love them
I changed to graphite shafts when I recently purchased king cobra F8 irons. Notice the club is lighter. I can't really go at the ball and hit it hard. Easy swing only. You can't overswing I notice. Also you don't get the feedback in your hands on the strike.
In Graphite kick point and torque is vital, not just flex. I’ve used graphite for 20 years due to injuries. From X flex to stiff. Right now Aerotech 110 stiff. Consider doing another vlog using very stiff low torque graphite. Thanks for all you do! Especially now. Stay safe!
I am a visually impared senior golfer who swings a 7 iron about 65 mph. You will be thinking , he needs a senior graphite shaft. Actually over the years I have discovered that I am much better off with a soft or one stepped regular flex light weight steel shaft. The reason is torque. I don't always it the ball perfectly, often hitting just behind, or just up on the ball. The hight torque of a senior graphite will often send the ball off in an unwanted direction. Steel will usually send it toward the green. Granted often after stinging my hands. My new Wilson LP irons ave done a lot to improve my ball striking.
I'm 67 years old/young and went to graphite shafts four years ago, they gave me back the height and carry that I had lost with age/steel shafts. I would never go back to steel shafts.
Great to hear!
That swing looks like you giving a bad kid a whoopin ! I like it 😁
Thank you. Very informative . Love the studio and cousre comparison. I use graphite but always wonder if i am missing something not using steel. I love the weight on graphite.
No probs! Thanks for watching! Hope your enjoying my channel! :)
Like club heads, shafts (both steel and graphite) should be fit to the player. Try all brands you can and multiple shafts. I am lucky to have a fitter near me that has that capability. I have lost some speed over time (driver is at 104 instead of 112 nowadays) and a full TrackMan fitting pointed to the best combo of head and shaft for me(TaylorMade P770 with Mamiya Recoil ES 780 F4 graphite shafts). I hit Ping, Titleist, Mizuno, Callaway and Cobra (skipped PXG, too pricey). The combo actually pushed my distance back up to what I use to hit with my Mizuno MP69/Project X 6.0 combo a few years back. Dispersion also was squeezed so my accuracy ticked up a notch. Also I haven't had any problem shaping the ball in both directions or in elevation. Didn't care for the TM wedges though and found the best combo for me was Vokey SM7 with standard steel wedge shafts.
It’s amazing what technology can do isn’t it! Thanks for watching!
I replaced the steel shafts in my Nike Covert 2.0 irons with the Kuro Kage Black shafts two years ago. I picked up about 5 yards per iron, but the biggest improvement was that my tendonitis in my elbow has disappeared. I prefer the feel of steel, but not the pain. I cannot say for sure that the switch was the cure, but it was coincidental.
Nice video. The tour players mentioned by name, and now perhaps many on the senior tour, play aerotech steelfiber shafts which is a graphite shaft with 50 miles of steel thread wrapped around the outside of the graphite.
Nice one, James, I'm off to try the i200 tomorrow!!
Raymond Duffy you won’t be disappointed!!!
The new graphite irons shafts is more fun and more relaxing because lightweight , more distance and more forgiving .
UST ES780 F4 is very good for steel iron shafts replacement . You need consistent swings but in golf course will deplete your stamina on whole 18 holes and your swings will be getting weaker as weaker . Heavyweight steel shafts will getting inconsistent swings because you getting tired and you will have more tension on your muscle and trying to swings same speeds will getting bad results
Great points Sean ! Cheers
Sean C that’s what I play in my Hogan Ft Worth Blacks and I couldn’t be happier with the results. I also gained about 1/2 to a full club in my irons. I love the recoils so much i put Recoil 125 Prototype shafts in my wedges. Oh and I’m a 5.6 HC so they aren’t just for the juniors, ladies or seniors.
I have always preferred Steel because of the feel even with Graphite providing more distant.
The steel went longer because you pulled it.
Exactly
Yes, but in general they will both go about the same distance. Speed of graphite vs. the heavier mass of steel at impact will give similar distance.
Good stuff. I just bought some Speed Blades with graphite shafts. I have tendinitis in my elbow (tennis elbow) and the softening through impact makes a good difference for comfort with me. I noticed no difference with distance really although I actually found I can play with the flight easier now. Odd in comparison to your findings.
Around 20 years ago my pro put me into a new set of clubs with graphite shafts and neither 2 nor 3 iron because "you're not good enough and you're losing flexibility". That hurt the ego then but it was pretty accurate. Ever since I've used graphite and find it a bit easier on the body.
Nice comparison. It is tough to wrap your head around graphite vs. steel. This was helpful. I too like the i200's. I was fitted by Ping and hit their new gear except the blades. I had hit the i200's before with steel and really liked the club and its look in front of the ball. I just hit the steel shafts inconsistently. The graphite shafts allowed me to hit the ball much more consistently and felt better as well. I did note thought the same thing that you discussed in that I found it a bit more difficult to move the ball. I hit the ball high anyway so I think the technology will allow me to aim at the target and still stop it. That is my hope anyway. Good Fun!
Thanks Joe I’m glad you found it helpful. I hope you find your consistency to help your game and improve your golf! Hope your enjoying the channel! 😊⛳️
Graphite will give you more speed but the heavier mass of the steel will impart more force at impact. Distances will therefore be about the same.
Hi James, I was wondering if you could do a review on the different graphite iron shafts.
I’m looking to go graphite for pain relief. Even at just 42 years old, I am having a lot of pain in my hands, elbows, and shoulder when I play. Currently testing my options. I love the feel of steel, but not worth the pain.
Couldn’t agree more, I hope you find something that helps. Thick grips should do the trick also
Have already decided on CP2 wraps, indeed.
better see a doctor first
I like to use a quality steel shaft (you have better results with graphite, than I do)
Although 1st thing I do is un-lengthen the shaft, re-swingweight the club & install new Golf Pride Muti-Compound Mid-size +4 grips. It feels just right to me.
I guess you could say all my clubs are re-built & personalized.
I have some in graphite , I do the cut, weight, & grip on them.
Do u bend the irons more upright after you cut them down? For every inch u cut it down the club becomes 2 degrees flatter. Also wondering about your grip choice??? I love the mcc+4 as well, but after cutting it down it takes a ton of lead tape or tungsten powder as well as tip weights to get the club back to where it was originally swingweighted. I lighter grip like a gp tour velvet will help with sw issues.
Very interesting review. Thanks
Thanks for watching mark.
12 handicapper and have been playing graphite shafts for years in Big Berthas. Here is what I notice--when you really catch one clean, it will add 20 yards to your shot. So here is what happens --150, 145, 152, 158, 180, 150, 155, etc. I have never figured out why. Pretty much across the board too, even with the wedges.
interesting vlog. do know a lad who's now a senior and ex pro who plays graphite shafts due to just what you said, less vibration through the shaft. also I've been told to try graphite shafts to get more out of the club. and you've proved not much in it.
Regular steel vs Stiff graphite shafts. Is their stiffness pretty much the same? I'm a newbie to the sport, just a little over two months. With regards to shafts, I currently have irons with Steel Regular flex shafts. Although the label on the shafts say S FLEX so not sure if I'm really swinging a Regular flex. But anyway, I'm thinking of changing to lighter Graphite shafts because of my slow swing speed and a bit of hand & shoulder pain, but I'm not sure what Flex would suit me better - Regular or Stiff? I'm thinking since graphite is a softer shaft already than steel, maybe Regular would be too soft or whippy so I'm leaning towards Stiff for a graphite shaft. I do have Stiff shafts for my driver & 3wood which I'm fine with. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
Swing the lightest shaft that you can control.
Liked the video. Would liked you to have hit 3 and 3 to see the difference. One shot doesn’t make a full case. Love the match up and thought the video was well done. Subscribing now.
Cheers mate! Thanks for taking the time to comment
My next set will have graphite because of problems with my hands not because of distance. After 18 holes my hands can be very fatigued and in pain because of the vibration and extra weight of steel. So that’s why I’ll be making the switch.
I like your channel, watched many of your videos and they're great. Here's a question along the line of shafts. My club head speed is 75-77mph with a steel 7 iron. Would I benefit changing to graphite especially since I'm looking to move from my Speedblades to either the P790 or P760 irons. Your thoughts?
That's not a studio that's a man cave.
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As a senior player I have graphite Kuro Kage shaft in my Titleist Ap1 mid irons and Dynamic Gold Xp in 9 and 8 irons and I think its what suits your game .
Yes on the Ping iron review
You mention the stiffness of the shafts both being stiff, but graphite being lighter, I wonder, do they add weight to the heads on the clubs with the lighter shaft to keep the overall weight the same?
Great video. Thanks
Thanks Peter!!!
I know this is an old video James but could things change depending on a different style or flex of the graphite shaft? I'm 60 and I actually hit my 7 iron 165-170 like you do. I'm going to try the regular flex in the graphite in the Tour Edge C522.
love the graphite
Do you think there may have been a swing weight change switching over to the graphite shafts, since you said they felt a lot lighter, let's say from a D5 with the steels to a D2 or 3 with the graphite making it harder for you to turn it over or flight it low??
Turn down the volume of the background music and maybe find some music that doesn’t make me want to hit the mute button.
I wish you would have touched a little on the subject of elbow pain and pain from vibration. That is starting to affect my golf game quite a bit, I play Srixon Z565 irons with Nippon stiff shafts a around 105 grms I'm sure I could fine a graphite shaft near that weight that I would like. One small critique I wish you would turn down the music a little when you are hitting it's a pretty loud and jarring change from your talking I also like to hear the sound of the strike.
Cheers Tom thanks for watching
He does around the 8min mark.
Just curious, but why only hit one each per hole? Why not 3 each? Wouldnt that be more prudent ?
You’re using a steel shaft that would be fitted for you. You need to use a graphite shaft that’s fitted for you.
James I'm new to your channel (I'm cheating on my side chick Crossfield). You have to stop with all the great content, I'm trying to get some work done!! :-)
You really need to do this one more time. (And read up on the fact - This old one is kinda embarrassing, really!)
Most of your graphite information are way of base. Lighter?! No, only if you want it to be. You have iron shaft in the 60 gram category so most graphite are heavier, but, okay you can get graphite in the 40 gram category. (But also as heavy as you need it to be.) The thing you playing with (as always) are the feel, the flex, the tipping point and the spin. Millions of options out there and to get the best ones you take the one with tread of "iron" over the graphite. (Some might even look like an iron - That´s the one the professional goes for.) You get al of the benefit of a graphite (less vibration) and all of the workability of the best irons.
You also say they are straighter when you don´t need it to be. (problem shaping the shot) No, wrong again! That´s only happen if you choice the wrong shaft. Try it again and lets do it now, okay?!
Hi James, I enjoy your channel. I can tell you the Wilson D300 graphite is 15 yards longer than any club I have ever hit. Can you do a video on the Face on Putter?
Do you still feel the same about graphite?
Outdoor you review the PTX Pro Hogan irons with graphite shafts?
Can you do the same test but with steelfibres? They are supposed to be the same weight as steel shafts with the benefits of graphite shafts. I play the Fujikura MCI 100S in my Titleist AP2's and I absolutely love them.
I miss the steel shafted woods and driver I used to have. I hit them much better. Tiger was still in steel shafted driver and woods ten years after everyone else jumped ship
JEEZ THOSE PINGS I200 LOOK LIKE MY 2005 TM RAC OS'S...
Ive watched loads of graphite v. steel videos + come to a conclusion-
There is DEF a difference between the 2- PRICE$$!!
THAT'S IT!!
It comes down to personal preference and if your willing to spend the extra 100-200 dollars/set just for "FEEL"!?
I like steel . Because grafite marks easily in bag. Paul
Graphite dont need as hard a swing. It for game improvement brah.
Melissa Tompkins if they get paid enough tour pros would use whatevs bro!
Melissa Tompkins Thanks! Your words and reason have totally changed my mind. 😂
@@mccoyji lol someone put out the most valid opinion ever and you are so arrogant you can't respect it.
@@Cornish_Maid You're absolutely right about what they will play and furthermore, the pro's who are playing graphite shafts are playing Aerotech steelfiber shafts and they don't pay anyone to play their shafts! Well done!
Matt Kuchar and Brant Snedeker are not using graphite iron shafts. They are using Aerotech steel fiber.
Why don't the advantages of steel for iron shafts also apply to drivers anymore? (I know I'm an oddball, but I don't like mixing graphite & steel in the same bag, I find the swapping about too distracting).
Really good video .
But a little unfair I think you picked a steel shaft you were fitted for vs a basic ping graphite shaft and what's with the loud music...lol.
...and let's do it now.
so, who are graphite shafts for?...nowadays, anyone who wants to play them. live your life.
???? What are the specs on the shafts??? Playing length, shaft weight, torque, kick point, flex(are you assuming that the flexes are what the letter is), PING does not make shafts-so who were they contracted too, False-graphite does not add speed ... how the shafts accepts the load applied gives you better or not better shots, are the shafts spinned or SST, etc.. You leave out way toooooo many variables that affect a specific shaft to a golfer. You need to go to a shaft performance school and a fitting school, then you may have something more informative to say about shafts.
Wow were-was “let’s do it & lets do it now”
Pull goes further though.is prob why steel went further
I'm 50 and somewhat arthritic I think I'll go graphite
Steel has more flex so obviously it will go further....9class physics
😂😂😂 let’s move up to class 10 and talk how spin rate effects golf balls then mate... because “obviously” that’s a factor.
So really there’s not much difference, but is that because it was Ping that engineer all their clubs as if the would be used by a pro. Wonder if you we would have the same results with other brands? Oh kill the elevator music in the background- so tinny
Elevator music 😂😂😂 Cheers Derek 🤘🏼
yeah, like the video, since I'm trying to decide to stay with my steel or go with the graphites I picked up....BUT. The music is horrible, just annoying, distracting, not helpful, a general pain in the "arse".
After watching 1,500 golf videos...im at the point of thinking ...its the indian not the arrow ...its all what you get used to
if u swing with feel,u must choose Steel shaft,trust me its work :)
To be honest I don't see any different I'm 55 and short with a few mobility issues especially my left shoulder, but I hit my 7 iron 130 with either steel or graphite?
Try more similar weights then compare
Maybe the steel shaft went further on the first hole because you pulled it?? Pulled shots usually go further.
Really?
@@JamesRobinsonGolf yes really. You seemed surprised in the video that the steel shaft shot went further.
Cant say lack of control with the graphite shaft because you couldnt draw the ball. You were pulling the steel shots the whole vid..
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Irrelevant, not redundant.
James . . . Honestly, who does that music appeal to? You’ve got to stop delegating that job to the thirteen year old down the street.
This video is 3 years old
All I saw was you have an inconsistent golf swing and just peddled bro myths about steel vs graphite. If you’re able to hit a high, low, left, or right shot with your driver, fairway woods, or hybrids, then there’s literally no reason you couldn’t do it with graphite shafts in your irons. There’s way too much cliche in golf equipment.
Lol
Don’t need the lousey noisy music .Just like Sky Sports N Carter
😂 this video is nearly a year old... check out my recent stuff Norman