Would you mind adding a few marks to the magnet wheel, so we can tell if it's turning? A Dark Sharpie or a paint pen should be enough. You could then use a tachymeter to measure the RPMs.
videos aren't good at capturing rotation because they're 25 still images per second. They will always give an unrepresentative view & at certain speeds will show a rotating object as motionless. Much better is some sort of gauge. A simple analogue gauge is a magnet in an aluminium cup, one part rotates with the mechanism & the other holds a pointer & acts against a spring, the eddy currents in the cup drag the magnet. It works with either part rotating.
This episode is the very reason I've been waking up each morning and turning on Rob and looking for an integrated wind turbine for a boat. All it needs now is a collapsible set of funnels so the boat doesn't blow over in a cross wind, a venturi tube to maximize the power output of an Archimedes generator which is connected to a sand battery which runs a Sterling engine which pushes a Sharrow Propeller - and when that happens I won't need to get out of bed in the morning. Thanks Rob, you stick in there - you're almost there! Also we do need some statistics on the power, the Amperage and the wind velocity.
Howdy from Central Texas, Robert. I stumbled across your channel at about 4:30 AM and its now 8:15 AM. I've thoroughly enjoyed your videos and I have to say this has been a most educational experience. I'm fascinated by your boat turbine idea and the possibilities for mounting it on the roof to charge batteries. I've got several 3D printers and now you've given me something useful to print. Most of my friends print silly superhero figurines that sit on the shelf and collect dust. I'd much rather print useful, functional things. Thank you for your inspirational and very entertaining, educational videos. I'll be looking forward to seeing what other brilliant ideas you publish.
I’ve been watching Robert for weeks and thinking “hmmm, how do I translate this to a boat,’ and then “Ta-dahhhhh!” He goes and does it for me. Cheers bwtt!!
@@timwoodger7896 Thank you for your kind words. After six and a half decades on this spinning ball, I finally feel like I understand what’s really going on. Peace
Love the design. I may never actually try to build anything on your site, but I enjoy the enthusiasm you have in every video! I almost always dislike the "curb" appeal to wind generation, but I think you could use this design up the corner of a home and it would look amazing!
Down here in the southern US states (specifically, "the south"), everyone loves their pillars/columns. They'd do great on there. Same for classical courthouses! Although, I don't expect them to be adopted, in *_either_* case. 😕 Still, I like your idea with stylizing ones home using them. Functionally speaking, in terms of maintaining ease of construction of homes, I think just having a 1yd/1m stack hanging under each corner if the roof, would work well! All the wiring can be easily plumbed up through the roof then, and into the house. Mounting hardware consisting of only a bearing block bolted under the eave, and an L-type bracket with a bearing for the bottom.
I love seeing all of these different designs! Eager to start building and testing them but that won't be for some time still. Still, grateful for the enthusiasm and motivation I find here.
I, for one, absolutely LOVE the authenticity of this man’s personality. If I lived in his neighbourhood - I’d definitely love to see first hand how this turbine works on a boat. First time viewer & just subscribed. Thank you sir.
That looks like it would do wonders for boats, only thing I think people would complain about is you did not show the power output, but with as simple of a design you have, anyone should be able to replicate it and test it on their own
@@markseamans4682 Well, you can call it "a series". Those are building blocks and Robert explained this a few times in his clips. It's like a Lego for a bit bigger kids😁 This part is about catching wind. You can find a part about different ways of forcing wind to move something. Then there is a part about how to change that move into electricity. When you put everything together, you will make a wind generator. But you will remember it has different parts and understanding how they work will help you to slap one together just for your specific needs. It's similar to one bushcraft rule told by Mr. Mors Kochansky: the more you know, the less you carry. And Robert is giving this knowledge here. With a big smile and enthusiasm😃
Nice idea. I recommend an exhaust horn that mounts over the turbine outlet that is slightly flared and exits down wind. It would be interesting to see how much torque is generated when a load is applied (watts).
Interesting Rob thank you. I live on a Narrowboat in an extremely windy marina and have a heavily modified Ender 3 and lots of filament to use up so am now inspired by your video to do some experiments.
The expectable load is proportional to the air friction on the surface of the cones. That friction is proportional to the speed of the air, the radius of the cones and c. While the thingy accelerates the air, it does so most in the center where the radius is small, and the cones are smooth... Hence the power output will be pretty small: I agree
It just isn’t going to work to a useful extent. You are quite correct that as soon as a load is added in the form of the coils and an electrical load, it will probably slow or stop. The biggest problem I see, and I might have said this before on another of his videos, is that it is far too small to collect any useful energy from the wind. Just because it turns at this scale isn’t enough. The power available is proportional to the surface area that the impeller in this case presents. All the funnelling means nothing. And you can’t get something from nothing.
I love your idea of putting the moving parts on the bottom (ground level) for easier maintenance. I assume you could switch it back and put the moving parts on top (surface) for the ocean. Catch waves coming in and the current going back out. Heck, maybe even one structure in the ocean. Half below the water directing wave energy up and a tower above the water directing wind energy down. All maintenance done at the surface.
You don't want the device in the water, creating drag on the boat. Having it in the air on the boat's topsides does create a little bit of air drag, but this is trivial. Every sailboat has quite a bit of counter-productive surface exposed to the wind anyway.
Brilliant, very cool Rob. I lived on a sailboat for several years and often thought about wind turbines being the thing was wind powered anyway lol. I can see the entire mast being replaced with that and a generator powering a motor driving the boat just the same as it already operates. Solar wind is so fascinating. Also could fit several solar panels for non wind days and sail that way. I am thinking a folding mast/turbine tower for low wind days.
@@iamkian yeah, I don't like the smell of diesel so I reckon we would be equal lol. Besides, in port it would fold and be silent anyway. Most ports have bridges that require lifting to pass with a sailboat so the mast aka turbine would be folded.
To make it funnel more air and to right it to the wind in a nice package you could put 2 funnel edges added to the sides where the shroud stops wrapping around and a third larger one as a tail in the middle on the back of the shroud.
Yes this looks like a definite Improvement to the 4-ft wide 30 ft tall wind turbine Tower that was on one of Jacques cousteau's research vessels in the 70s, as I understand it somebody scrapped that boat out in Oregon and place the turbine in the air to power their house, I recall commenting about this around the time you were doing squirrel cage rotors, with the kind of rotating cowling that you are looking at I think you will achieve very good power levels
What size does it have to be to make it a useful turbine for 500w/1000w? Having a 500w on my roof would cover power needed for things like fridges/freezers. Great stuff keep it going, its really interesting
I saw a similar looking design for a stacked ion drive the other day, but thrust was impaired as later stages actually restricted the flow from earlier stages. Might this design be improved by increasing the size of the central aperture of each stage as you approach the turbine, encouraging a cylindrical laminar flow?
I had the exact same thought as I watched this, airflow will progressively increase as you move up the stack. A widening aperture sounds like the logical step, though airflow tends to do unexpected things so would need plenty of testing (ideally simulation to start with).
Great project. Aeromine aerofoils in front of the device can be used to focus and accelerate the wind. The fence at the back will slow down the airflow. This will result in some of the air flowing around the outside. A dorade type shape at the top, can suck air out through the turbine. This can be part of the direction fin. Can this be used to condense moisture from the air also? Ways to make water will be valuable for the boats taking part in the GGR retro yacht race. Cold sea water can be siphoned through a condensation device. Solar cooker can be used for distillation.
Robert. I love all your designs but I can't seem to decide what is a thechnical revelation or otherwise. I would love to see a comparison with power output on all of your devices. So maybe compare the wattage given out per windspeed or even power per uk pound (£) spent on the build
You know what'd be interesting? You had one design where you the funnels pointing down to direct wind and catch it. One of the renewable ways to cool your home off is to have a big set of pipes underground that cools the air... I wonder if this could be placed over the inlet as a generative force and something to help move the air? I don't know how much force it creates, if the run would be too long would it stagnate and stop moving the air? I kinda want to build one of the larger ones now to do some home tests! :D thanks for the content!
Might a second unit at the outlet work to act as a pulling force draw air out of such a system too. Albeit, you’d want to find a way to draw other ambient and outlet air together. Hmm… ponderings
@@martinsmallridge4025 a second unit mounted higher than the inlet and inverted would. Wind In at the sides then directed up and out would likely generate a low pressure area centred below it in the pipe. Unless my mind is wandering.
Agree, although both directions are useful: cool outside air inwards, or warm inside air outwards. More importantly, the mechanical movement can power a coffee burr grinder! 😄
i ask you for a turbine genny design for my camper and lo and behold, two weeks later you come up with one. how's that for service with a smile? forget about a day, you've made my year! thank you from the bottom of my little black heart!
I agree. A lavalier mic for $2 and a long extension cord to the Zoom sound recorder, camera or pc, would change things dramatically. The message in the video's is getting through but a better mic position would make a big difference.
Have watched many of your videos and have to say, genius!!!!! I love the content and delivery every time. Your enthusiasm is contagious. Thank you and please, keep it just so honest!!!!
Other than measuring some voltage outputs, has anyone measured any power outputs with varying loads to determine how the concept actually performs? It’s a great concept and your work is engaging and really informative. Stay curious!
I would argue that watt output is a sufficient measurement as at the end of the day, that is all we really care about. Having a generator built up, with a couple wires running down to a test bench, you only need to measure the power output of as you apply a progressively larger load and see where the wattage peaks before stalling the turbine. A large fan, such as a positive pressure ventilation fan used by fire departments, could be used within an enclosed environment as a static source of wind, a conventional wind turbine tested and your unit tested to compare. My long term life goal is to build a self sufficient electrical powered sailboat (with a diesel generator for backup, because I'm not totally crazy, but hope I never need it). Wind turbines are commonly under powered, noisy and bulky compared to solar and hydro power generation, especially when looking at a huge power budget of induction stove tops, convection microwave, electric incinerator toilet AND an electric drive motor. Not to mention, fridge / freezers, washing machine clothes dryer and electric heating / cooling (reverse cycle marine AC with sea water heat exchanger most likely). A couple of these high on the mast may be quite useful, IF the power output is worth the extra weight up the mast. Another thing you might consider, is some way to turn it off. On a following wind, capturing and converting to electrical power will also produce some mechanical force helping propel the boat, but any wind coming from forward of 90 degrees will also effect a force on the boat, in the wrong direction. In most cases, this won't matter that much, but on light winds where you want everything to work for you, anything working against you is bad. BTW, hi. Random TH-cam recommendation brought me here.
Awesome. Love the concept. Looking at the strength of the wind you were in it could well be more productive than blades (as well as safer). Probably a lot quieter too, which would lend well to boat roofs. I'd love to see a finished unit with power output numbers. Well done!
Propeller blades are inefficient. The area of force is much greater than the area of the blades. If the blades had a larger surface area they could convert more energy from the wind.
@@BenEehayeh wind turbines can extract up to 50% of energy from the wind, following your logic the blades should cover 50% of the swept area , but they not. btw... did you know the wind turbine is not "pushed" around by the wind force but rather "pulled" around by aerodynamic lift of the blades generated by the blowing wind ? so this concept turbine of Robert will not increase efficiency (it might actually decrease it due to friction loses while redirecting the flow), but it will transform the "dynamic" swept area with flying blades into a "static" swept area with no moving parts (hence safer). i think it's a neat idea definitely worth of investigating, but i don't think it's anything revolutionary :)
@@robertjung8929 What is the cut in speed for propeller blades? 8-10 miles per hour winds. Non-propeller designs, like the helical DNA shaped blades, begin to rotate in 3 mile per hour winds. Helical wind turbines have been in use in Europe for 20+ years.
Ok that's really cool. You could stack these and have them spin each other in a daisy chain, and just have one opened at the top to take the air in and spin, feeding air down into the others. This is such a neat concept!!!
great! Would love to see how efficient this thing is - and how it performs with a somewhat heavy generator (as you probably don't want it to spin too fast ).
Try adding a hood/top on it shaped like an overturned v bottom boat without a transom,with a vane on the rear keel. Free to rotate with the wind. Theoretically this should create a low pressure area at the outlet for the turbine. If attached to the shroud as well that would keep the open face to the wind.
Nice idea on a moving vehicle as it's generating during any journey regardless if it's windy or not. I wish you would do a return video on the diesel air heater for efficiently scavenging heat from the exhaust.
You need to study up on the concept of 'perpetual motion'. The energy needed from the vehicle's engine to combat the windage would not be off set by the amount of power produced. Way more efficient to simply have a mechanically spun alternator / generator. Now if you were camping for a few days next to a desert lake or along a sea cliff say... then it would be a nice bit of kit to augment other power production.
Enjoying the content and the way it's all so easy to create and understand. I get the use of 3D printers is also increasing in popularity, but for those of us without one, converting every day items to do the same thing would be interesting. Maybe the use of sport / training cones (which are similar in shape and size to your printed cones) may be a adaption worth considering.
Hi Roy, I tend to agree with you. I am thinking, since I am in a boat yard at the moment, with several people interested in clean energy I will be talking with a few others about a group buy. You may be able to arrange the same thing in your area.
This was pretty much exactly, what i concluded for my use case following this wonderful Channel. Thank you very mutch (yet again) for this specific one and for the whole journey up until now! And Beyond!☕
Hi Robert, this is amazing! I'm wondering if the limiting factor on this isn't the wind input, but the wind exhaust? I love this application! Thank you!
The limit is that you compress/speed up the air to move through the smaller area of the turbine. There's quite some loss attached to this. So using a device like this makes only sense if you otherwise cannot achieve such a large area (safely). The compression of the wind will increase depending on how much energy you extract - so your electrical load - which would need to be managed to be in an optimal efficiency range for the blade pitch/optimal RPM for the generator. If you want to simplify the system electrically, you could use centrifugal force to adjust the blade pitch to keep it in an optimal pitch for the wind pressure (aka wind speed). So you get a variable RPM but an optimal pitch to capture the wind with optimal efficiency. The variable RPM can then be converted to an optimal RPM of the generator with a CVT - instead of using magnets in the rotor itself (which is a stupid idea to begin with).
This concept of wind capture implemented in to a panel system similar to the wind wall would be amazing. You could build fencing with it and clad whole side's of buildings with it. Just think of the surface area a typical house wall has.
With the amount charged for a fan to push air into a campervan a passive (quiet) option that used mo power or even makes it would be an interesting development of this :)
would you mind printing the next parts with different colours kinda to match the cad designs so its easier to see what parts are what especally if they have moving and static parts ?,...or a little bit of paint / pen markings just so it has a visual of it spinning on camera 😆 hard to see whats moving and whats static with it all being grey, untill you did the topdown view of the impella but with you adding more and more items to these designs it just helps it stand out.
This is a cute design but it’s hard to get a sense of the scale of the apparatus that would be required to produce a meaningful amount of power in real world conditions. I imagine you’d need some quite large structures and a gear box to generate a few kilowatts and it would be significantly less efficient than a horizontal axis wind turbine because the air has to change direction as it is funneled through the turbine.
@Rob, as a sailor, I love this one. Very interesting indeed. I'd be curious to know how you would calculate the efficiency of that turbine. I know you mentioned the area of the cones would be what you use, but if you could make a video on how you would go about inputting that into Omni Calculator to get a sense of efficiency, would be pretty interesting for anyone looking to expand on this idea and wants to calculate it properly. Just a suggestion mate! Really enjoying the whole wind turbine stuff.
@@davidanderton2437 What? efficency= wind velocity X surface area? whatever mechanism is in that area? This can not be true - u get it yourslef, right?
@@sonic_P sorry I should be more precise in what I write. You only really need the area and velocity to calculate the available power. It's not as simple as multiplication but not far off. 0.5 X air density X swept area X velocity cubed.
Another thing you should look at is differential pressure system based wind generation. there are a few new wind turbines where instead of using the wind to turn an turbine outright. they instead use hollow wingforms attached to long tubes with holes in the low pressure areas of the wingform. When air is blown over the wing it creates a small vacuum like we use for lift in airplanes. However in this case with the holes in the right place the vacuum sucks the air out of the pipe attached to the wing rather then creating lift. you can then stick a turbine at the end of the pipe to generate power.
Hmmm. The power from a conventional propeller is generated at the tips which in turn produces leverage, which is why the larger the propeller diameter (think wind farm) the greater the power. This turbine is too small, as soon as you add coils to produce a voltage, then attach a load, you generate electromagnetic breaking. There won't be enough leverage to overcome this unwanted effect. The whole thing would need to be much larger, including the turbine.
I agree, the effort to produce ant dereee of electrical energy would be so tiny it is useless unless of great size. The only advantage I see is that the wind direction is not a factor as in a conventional wind generator. Height and blade diameter is a major factor in utilising the generating capacity of wind.
@@warrenelliott4555 I agree, also wind at rooftop level is completely unreliable , buildings interfere causing eddies etc which is why wind farms are on top of hills or at sea.
Alternatively 100's of those dotted all over my house n garden would produce a lot of battery charging power n not disturb neighbours(they'd just think it's that crazy guy again) ... I'm thinking rainbow colour...
i think your wind turbine is a Great idea, and will put it to the test. If you have any print settings you prefer please share them. Otherwise we will post our progress here. Printing the cones large end down is just slightly over 7 hours with 80 overhang angle. Small end down results hover 11 hours, 80 overhang angle. Cura slicer Creality 10s Pro E-sun PLA + (testing filament) will change to PETG on test completion.
I too am trying to print this but having issues with the turbine fins. The unit prints fine but the fins are not printing properly. Initial layers don't seem to go all the way across the gap from the hub to the outer ring. Some lay down fine but others only about half way or so. Very frustrating!! haha I'm using Cura also on a Sovol SV01. Overture PLA.. I struggle printing fine details. I'm also trying to print a small King's crown with the little balls on the tips, about 50mm diameter, but they won't attach. The crown prints fine but finishes up with a spiderweb of stringing with little blobs mixed in. Any constructive ideas would be much appreciated. Thank you!
@@NebulaM57 3D printing can be very frustrating due to all the fine settings that need to be checked. I think You should check different settings using a Benchy. A few years ago I eliminated most of my print failures with extruder temperature calibration, and slower print speeds. Print speeds should not change from walls and layers. Every time the print speed changes the nozzle pressure will change requiring the extruder temperature to fluctuate. Curing your filament with a food dryer before printing can be a problem solver. Hope this helps!
Free spinning in the breeze is one thing, have you tested the design underload? I'm guessing its good for milliwatts only. Maybe scaled up it may amount to usable energy. Interesting experiment in any case
Very nice concept, it would indeed make a lot of sense on a sailboat. Now it would be particularly interesting to get an actual "power to size" measurement. I think that even a small 50-100W turbine would be very useful on a sailboat, simply to back up the solar panels and give some charge during the night or cloudy days.
Robert, the development of this project has really caught my attention. I'm fascinated to see where it concludes. could this be a foundation for a power-system to run your garage from?
@@ThinkingandTinkering I currently have a mini solar system running 12v and 5v power supplies in my garage, just enough for simple LED lighting and phone charging. this wind turbine project of yours may well end up as the reason I buy a 3D printer and make some little wind turbines in addition to the solar rig. keep up the good work Sir! Mike
Make possible that E V cars to get charged while on drive. One side battery discharges power ,on the other side through this wind power generating turbines the battery gets charged. So, there is no necessity to plug for a charge . it automatically gets charged through alternator and discharges power for rotary motor.
I was thinking the same, use the wind power while driving to charge the batterys in the camper van as solar is not always great in winter so any extra electricity would help
@@replikvltyoutube3727 yes they do but unfortunately in tropical areas where that's a huge problem it also coincides with still days . Humidity and still days is the most awful experience especially 4-5 days straight . In this situation you would have to use the energy to spin the motor for airflow
So my next question with is, how many can you stack. Do you get better results stacking 6 elements with a single turbine on top, and repeating again with 6 elements and turbine. Or 12 elements and a single turbine in one. which give best performance. at what point is there a diminishing return on the height of a single tower.
There would be a limit based on the input flow, where if the flow force added by the additional disc air was equal or less than that already rising then no further power is added.
Awesome idea and prototype! Love it! Reading through the comments many seem to be hung up on powering up a huge generator and living off grid or just coming up with ways it won't work. This is a prototype. It's the first step of working out an idea! Why not start small and maybe focus on charging a cell phone. That would be great for a minor power outage then develop the idea from there.
Guys - is there a forum anywhere that these projects are discussed on further? I understand that Rob is creating these concepts and inspiring us, and hasn't the free time or necessarily the motivation to progress each concept to fruition. This generator is hugely interesting to me as a narrowboat owner, so I'd like to take it further, adapt the shield to support a vane, add a suitable coil and then weatherproof the whole device so it can be trialed in-situ. I don't have the skills or the knowledge to do this, but I'm sure there are other viewers here that do - hence the idea of a forum where build threads can be observed by all and thus refined over a period of time from the feedback. So, where do I start? Cheers, Steve
Back when Rob and Luke streamed on Twitch we suggested a Discord server but I can't remember what happened to the idea. I think it was a case of another thing for Rob to manage and feed so it didn't happen.
@@YoureNowOnTV I assume that maybe Luke or a nominated outsider could admin/look after the forum with Rob popping up now and again to chip in if inspired to do so? I can only see it becoming a hotbed of ideas, and it may alleviate the number of messages that Rob appears to receive. Shamefully I'm too old to understand Discord, can you post images etc like in an "old school" forum?
The roof-based collector idea is something I'm really interested in. I'm trying to see if I can make the hyperbolic cones threaded so one can simply screw into the next (though I'm not sure if that might make them too weak)
It's great to follow and learn. Spinning without friction is first step. Spinning with a load is going to be the next step. Windforce needed to generate a certain amount of energy. Looking forward to that.
Robert, super interesting and with great potential. You talked about capture area versus swept area. Is there also a sweet spot of how many and proximity of stacked cones in terms of power output and or efficiency? I can't help but feel that too many stacks or proximity would lead to air being "slowed" by boundary layer surface effects (think friction)- in essence a fixed "overhead" or "cost" (for want of simplification) for trying to make the system bigger and more powerful. Any thoughts or analysis on this side of an otherwise great concept?
@@satan.is.my.copilot I hear you mate BUT “make it difficult to watch” 🤣 some folk just need to man up! My ears are smashed to pieces from a full career in warzones with zero hearing protection and predominantly around .5 machine guns, I can hear it fine, it’s actually not bad in the slightest it’s just not perfect, god knows how some people make it through the day 🙄
He ain't wrong though. I scrolled a bit and gave up. Bad audio = no watch. More than a guy can watch in a lifetime uploaded daily, most don't sound like they used a mic in a porcelain bowl in a tile washroom. Get a $30 lav mic and your views will 10x.
Like the idea a lot! Put this on the roof during a hurricane and might be able to charge a watch battery and then be able to light up an LED or two. Make a full sized model and maybe could operate a small radio. Cool Beans!
I always have a breeze to a moderate wind Something on a larger scale could provide a lot of power if done correctly. Iv'e watched a ton of your videos but this one got me to tickle the subscribe button. I already have so many ideas and have started sourcing parts for the build.
This looks like it would be a great design for those places on land that get snow as the generator is on the top. Put some type of a cone on top with an overhang that would keep the snow from mucking things up and it should work quite well I would think. Seeing as our snow has finally gone away I'll have to give it try and see for next fall.
The turbine is still the actual limit as you can get choked flow, hence there is a limit to how much stacks of cones you can effectively stack (beyond which you get diminishing to no returns). Also since the turbine won't be 100% efficient at extracting the energy from the wind the leftover could be the start of the next stack of cones (and presumably you could use less cones before you saturate the following turbine).
Referring back to video's 1869 and 1870, with a little modification of the serpentine coil assembly, by making a larger centre opening, one could turn the coil assembly upside down and fit it to the shield.
Great idea Robert, It is always inspiring. I will try to scale it up and show you the result. One of my concern is about snow. I live in Canada, and as you might know we get snow storm sometime. Although, during those events the wind is great and can get up to 12m/s, the snow pushed by that wind can glog any mechanism. The snow can also melt and then freeze again during a 24 hours span. I will have to come with a solution, but the basic design is fantastic.
@@sindeclerc7506 Not really because at that windspeed the snow travels almost horizontally. And the cover would also prevent the wind to exit the turbine. The cover would be usefull though, when the snow falls without any wind. For those situations, there would have to be a space between the turbine and the cover so the wind could exit. I will come up with something
That design is well suited to a planetary sun gear configuration based around the spinning exhaust plate. Like an automatic transmission in a car, gear ratios would accommodate variable wind conditions. Except in reverse. The output would spin the generator, naturally. Inspiring idea!
I've just discovered your channel. I was discussing solar power on the UK Campsite Forum website today and wrote "If at dawn each day you have less charge left in your battery than the day before you will at some point run out of power. You now have the Apollo 13 problem of saving enough power to get you back to Earth but of being alive when you return." ...... "The alternative to more solar panels is a wind turbine which would provide power during bad weather and at night." My jaw dropped open when I saw your turbine as this is something that could bridge the solar panel gap. Every portable wind turbine I've seen before requires an Eiffel Tower to support it and it slices up seagulls and children in operation. I want to know more and have clicked on Subscribe and Like.
I just looked up the RAM Air Turbines fitted to jet airliners for use in emergencies should the power supply fail, these are deploy-able seagull chopper propellers powered by the aircraft's flight through the air. If your wind turbines work they might end up fitted on all jet aircraft, deployment would be on a simple jack in the box spring/dead man switch.
Using the flat wind turbine on top and use the cones over. The Air/Wind flow direction down and the cavity shape moving down wider with each cone to direction of Vortex Turbine you made earlier. The Flow coming out at a near Horizontal direction to the bottom of the cone tower could have a Vertical set of vanes to add more affected surface area for Torque. The angle and size could come in handy for a Brake in high winds.
A year ago I was fooling with the shield idea to help work a vertical rotor ...THIS design is Lightyears ahead ! Plus being omni directional makes it maritime application perfect!
It looks like you could daisy chain these top to bottom if you made a hole in the base plate and allow the wind to continue up through the following base of the next unit, capturing and reutilising that energy. Lay them on their side in a long row along the roof line and rig them up with capacitors.
Two quick points. 1) It has to remain on a vertical axis. That isn't a problem, but at the end you seemed to be considering a horizontal position for boats. That means you'd have to steer the whole body of the thing into the wind which defeats the multidirectional design you just created. 2) You got it spinning at a good rate, which is awesome! But how much torque is there vs how much is needed to turn an alternator? Find how much torque (work) it will generate and find (or make) an alternator that will work with that.
Consider a mechanism to rotate the shield to adjust the wattage output (musn't overcharge the batteries), and protect the turbine from over-revving. Maybe a stepper motor, a little Arduino or whatever, and a simple dithering algorithm.
Think about what this could do as part of a furnace bellows! In the right arrangement, the heat-driven draft could be set up in a two-part loop; one part as bellows, the other to provide electrical power for some other purpose.
Nice invention, I will soon learn how to design so I can print my first design with my 3d printer. I could already make this in metal with my CNC plasma table but might be heaving on each cone, spindle, etc. So I guess 15 years of 2d designing wasn't enough I need to learn 3d Designing as I could kick my own butt not getting into this earlier when they came out. lol
Hi Rob, Now we talking, a great idea for a boat. Instead of trying every combination of wire turns for the coil can you give us a guess for numbers of wires for coil for charging a 12V battery. This is critical for a boat as we need to be able to start the battery after a long lay up and for the bilge pumps to be operational 24/7. in my case I have the worst VAWT which produces a max of 0.5 Amps in the strongest wind. I could easily swap it for this design. André in Sydney
I think you could revise this with a dual-rotor axial flux generator design. This would let you mount the magnets more securely, and get higher magnetic flux density in your stator coils.
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Would you mind adding a few marks to the magnet wheel, so we can tell if it's turning? A Dark Sharpie or a paint pen should be enough. You could then use a tachymeter to measure the RPMs.
Would appreciate testing it with a bldc motor and check it's real energy value.
Well, I can see that it is turning, and quite fast at that. 😊
@@hendrikjbboss9973 that doesn't give us accurate measurements though....
A mark is a great suggestion.
videos aren't good at capturing rotation because they're 25 still images per second. They will always give an unrepresentative view & at certain speeds will show a rotating object as motionless. Much better is some sort of gauge. A simple analogue gauge is a magnet in an aluminium cup, one part rotates with the mechanism & the other holds a pointer & acts against a spring, the eddy currents in the cup drag the magnet. It works with either part rotating.
This episode is the very reason I've been waking up each morning and turning on Rob and looking for an integrated wind turbine for a boat. All it needs now is a collapsible set of funnels so the boat doesn't blow over in a cross wind, a venturi tube to maximize the power output of an Archimedes generator which is connected to a sand battery which runs a Sterling engine which pushes a Sharrow Propeller - and when that happens I won't need to get out of bed in the morning. Thanks Rob, you stick in there - you're almost there!
Also we do need some statistics on the power, the Amperage and the wind velocity.
Howdy from Central Texas, Robert. I stumbled across your channel at about 4:30 AM and its now 8:15 AM. I've thoroughly enjoyed your videos and I have to say this has been a most educational experience. I'm fascinated by your boat turbine idea and the possibilities for mounting it on the roof to charge batteries. I've got several 3D printers and now you've given me something useful to print. Most of my friends print silly superhero figurines that sit on the shelf and collect dust. I'd much rather print useful, functional things. Thank you for your inspirational and very entertaining, educational videos. I'll be looking forward to seeing what other brilliant ideas you publish.
Try printing his stuff and make improvements here and there and report back please. Do Mr. Robert and all of us a solid!
I’ve been watching Robert for weeks and thinking “hmmm, how do I translate this to a boat,’ and then “Ta-dahhhhh!” He goes and does it for me. Cheers bwtt!!
I love your enthusiasm when you explain these concepts. The concepts send my limited grey matter off on a journey every time.👍
Awesome! Thank you!
@@G58 Well said that man, cheers and thanks.
@@TheClembo Thank you. 12 months ago my comment would have been deleted! Progress?
@@G58 you articulated that superbly!
I 100% agree 👍👍
@@timwoodger7896 Thank you for your kind words. After six and a half decades on this spinning ball, I finally feel like I understand what’s really going on.
Peace
Love the design. I may never actually try to build anything on your site, but I enjoy the enthusiasm you have in every video! I almost always dislike the "curb" appeal to wind generation, but I think you could use this design up the corner of a home and it would look amazing!
Down here in the southern US states (specifically, "the south"), everyone loves their pillars/columns. They'd do great on there. Same for classical courthouses!
Although, I don't expect them to be adopted, in *_either_* case. 😕
Still, I like your idea with stylizing ones home using them.
Functionally speaking, in terms of maintaining ease of construction of homes, I think just having a 1yd/1m stack hanging under each corner if the roof, would work well! All the wiring can be easily plumbed up through the roof then, and into the house. Mounting hardware consisting of only a bearing block bolted under the eave, and an L-type bracket with a bearing for the bottom.
I love seeing all of these different designs! Eager to start building and testing them but that won't be for some time still. Still, grateful for the enthusiasm and motivation I find here.
I, for one, absolutely LOVE the authenticity of this man’s personality. If I lived in his neighbourhood - I’d definitely
love to see first hand how this turbine works on a boat.
First time viewer & just subscribed. Thank you sir.
It's great. Love to see a full size operational one to see what it can really do integrated into commercial or residential properties.
That looks like it would do wonders for boats, only thing I think people would complain about is you did not show the power output, but with as simple of a design you have, anyone should be able to replicate it and test it on their own
my thoughts exactly mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering I'm pretty sure this is a series....be patient.
@@markseamans4682 Well, you can call it "a series". Those are building blocks and Robert explained this a few times in his clips. It's like a Lego for a bit bigger kids😁
This part is about catching wind.
You can find a part about different ways of forcing wind to move something.
Then there is a part about how to change that move into electricity.
When you put everything together, you will make a wind generator. But you will remember it has different parts and understanding how they work will help you to slap one together just for your specific needs.
It's similar to one bushcraft rule told by Mr. Mors Kochansky: the more you know, the less you carry.
And Robert is giving this knowledge here. With a big smile and enthusiasm😃
Nice idea. I recommend an exhaust horn that mounts over the turbine outlet that is slightly flared and exits down wind. It would be interesting to see how much torque is generated when a load is applied (watts).
Interesting Rob thank you. I live on a Narrowboat in an extremely windy marina and have a heavily modified Ender 3 and lots of filament to use up so am now inspired by your video to do some experiments.
nice - go for it mate
Uuuhhh... It spins! It spins fast!
But! But! But! --- There isn't any load. How does it perform when completed; including a generator?
The expectable load is proportional to the air friction on the surface of the cones. That friction is proportional to the speed of the air, the radius of the cones and c. While the thingy accelerates the air, it does so most in the center where the radius is small, and the cones are smooth... Hence the power output will be pretty small: I agree
It just isn’t going to work to a useful extent. You are quite correct that as soon as a load is added in the form of the coils and an electrical load, it will probably slow or stop. The biggest problem I see, and I might have said this before on another of his videos, is that it is far too small to collect any useful energy from the wind. Just because it turns at this scale isn’t enough. The power available is proportional to the surface area that the impeller in this case presents. All the funnelling means nothing. And you can’t get something from nothing.
I love your idea of putting the moving parts on the bottom (ground level) for easier maintenance. I assume you could switch it back and put the moving parts on top (surface) for the ocean. Catch waves coming in and the current going back out. Heck, maybe even one structure in the ocean. Half below the water directing wave energy up and a tower above the water directing wind energy down. All maintenance done at the surface.
You don't want the device in the water, creating drag on the boat. Having it in the air on the boat's topsides does create a little bit of air drag, but this is trivial. Every sailboat has quite a bit of counter-productive surface exposed to the wind anyway.
Brilliant, very cool Rob. I lived on a sailboat for several years and often thought about wind turbines being the thing was wind powered anyway lol. I can see the entire mast being replaced with that and a generator powering a motor driving the boat just the same as it already operates. Solar wind is so fascinating. Also could fit several solar panels for non wind days and sail that way. I am thinking a folding mast/turbine tower for low wind days.
nice mate
The boat next to you (when moored in a harbor) will not like the noise of the turbine!
@@iamkian I never liked the noise of the wind propeller blades next to my boat, either.
@@ThinkingandTinkering that'd be FIRST mate :p
@@iamkian yeah, I don't like the smell of diesel so I reckon we would be equal lol. Besides, in port it would fold and be silent anyway. Most ports have bridges that require lifting to pass with a sailboat so the mast aka turbine would be folded.
To make it funnel more air and to right it to the wind in a nice package you could put 2 funnel edges added to the sides where the shroud stops wrapping around and a third larger one as a tail in the middle on the back of the shroud.
Yes this looks like a definite Improvement to the 4-ft wide 30 ft tall wind turbine Tower that was on one of Jacques cousteau's research vessels in the 70s, as I understand it somebody scrapped that boat out in Oregon and place the turbine in the air to power their house, I recall commenting about this around the time you were doing squirrel cage rotors, with the kind of rotating cowling that you are looking at I think you will achieve very good power levels
What size does it have to be to make it a useful turbine for 500w/1000w? Having a 500w on my roof would cover power needed for things like fridges/freezers. Great stuff keep it going, its really interesting
I saw a similar looking design for a stacked ion drive the other day, but thrust was impaired as later stages actually restricted the flow from earlier stages. Might this design be improved by increasing the size of the central aperture of each stage as you approach the turbine, encouraging a cylindrical laminar flow?
I had the exact same thought as I watched this, airflow will progressively increase as you move up the stack. A widening aperture sounds like the logical step, though airflow tends to do unexpected things so would need plenty of testing (ideally simulation to start with).
Great project. Aeromine aerofoils in front of the device can be used to focus and accelerate the wind. The fence at the back will slow down the airflow. This will result in some of the air flowing around the outside. A dorade type shape at the top, can suck air out through the turbine. This can be part of the direction fin. Can this be used to condense moisture from the air also? Ways to make water will be valuable for the boats taking part in the GGR retro yacht race. Cold sea water can be siphoned through a condensation device. Solar cooker can be used for distillation.
Robert.
I love all your designs but I can't seem to decide what is a thechnical revelation or otherwise.
I would love to see a comparison with power output on all of your devices.
So maybe compare the wattage given out per windspeed or even power per uk pound (£) spent on the build
Very Inspiring. I have been very interested in renewables, especially in turbines. You videos break it down to make learning very easy.
cheers mate
You know what'd be interesting? You had one design where you the funnels pointing down to direct wind and catch it. One of the renewable ways to cool your home off is to have a big set of pipes underground that cools the air... I wonder if this could be placed over the inlet as a generative force and something to help move the air? I don't know how much force it creates, if the run would be too long would it stagnate and stop moving the air? I kinda want to build one of the larger ones now to do some home tests! :D thanks for the content!
i don't know mate - try it and see
Might a second unit at the outlet work to act as a pulling force draw air out of such a system too. Albeit, you’d want to find a way to draw other ambient and outlet air together. Hmm… ponderings
@@martinsmallridge4025 a second unit mounted higher than the inlet and inverted would. Wind In at the sides then directed up and out would likely generate a low pressure area centred
below it in the pipe. Unless my mind is wandering.
Went it rains it can also spin the rotor on water power. Genius Robert!
Agree, although both directions are useful: cool outside air inwards, or warm inside air outwards.
More importantly, the mechanical movement can power a coffee burr grinder! 😄
i ask you for a turbine genny design for my camper and lo and behold, two weeks later you come up with one. how's that for service with a smile? forget about a day, you've made my year! thank you from the bottom of my little black heart!
Robert, you need a lavalier mic..i love listening to you explain things and it would be easier to hear you while in the shop with a lavalier mic
cheers mate
I agree. A lavalier mic for $2 and a long extension cord to the Zoom sound recorder, camera or pc, would change things dramatically. The message in the video's is getting through but a better mic position would make a big difference.
I agree, I use the subtitles but I don't know how accurate they are lol. Cheers mate, a real mic would be appreciated :)
Have watched many of your videos and have to say, genius!!!!! I love the content and delivery every time. Your enthusiasm is contagious. Thank you and please, keep it just so honest!!!!
Other than measuring some voltage outputs, has anyone measured any power outputs with varying loads to determine how the concept actually performs? It’s a great concept and your work is engaging and really informative. Stay curious!
volts is no good mate - you need to measure torque on the shaft
I would argue that watt output is a sufficient measurement as at the end of the day, that is all we really care about.
Having a generator built up, with a couple wires running down to a test bench, you only need to measure the power output of as you apply a progressively larger load and see where the wattage peaks before stalling the turbine.
A large fan, such as a positive pressure ventilation fan used by fire departments, could be used within an enclosed environment as a static source of wind, a conventional wind turbine tested and your unit tested to compare.
My long term life goal is to build a self sufficient electrical powered sailboat (with a diesel generator for backup, because I'm not totally crazy, but hope I never need it).
Wind turbines are commonly under powered, noisy and bulky compared to solar and hydro power generation, especially when looking at a huge power budget of induction stove tops, convection microwave, electric incinerator toilet AND an electric drive motor.
Not to mention, fridge / freezers, washing machine clothes dryer and electric heating / cooling (reverse cycle marine AC with sea water heat exchanger most likely).
A couple of these high on the mast may be quite useful, IF the power output is worth the extra weight up the mast.
Another thing you might consider, is some way to turn it off.
On a following wind, capturing and converting to electrical power will also produce some mechanical force helping propel the boat, but any wind coming from forward of 90 degrees will also effect a force on the boat, in the wrong direction.
In most cases, this won't matter that much, but on light winds where you want everything to work for you, anything working against you is bad.
BTW, hi. Random TH-cam recommendation brought me here.
@@ThinkingandTinkering I agree. Torque will be the ultimate measurement.
@@ThinkingandTinkering Volts and amps together would be most interesting and easier to measure than the torque.
@Emily35 ~
"On a following wind, capturing and converting to electrical power will also produce some mechanical force helping propel the boat, "
that would be awesome for apartment dwellers with a balcony; endless applications really. Thank you
Awesome. Love the concept. Looking at the strength of the wind you were in it could well be more productive than blades (as well as safer).
Probably a lot quieter too, which would lend well to boat roofs.
I'd love to see a finished unit with power output numbers.
Well done!
Propeller blades are inefficient.
The area of force is much greater than the area of the blades.
If the blades had a larger surface area they could convert more energy from the wind.
@@BenEehayeh wind turbines can extract up to 50% of energy from the wind, following your logic the blades should cover 50% of the swept area , but they not. btw... did you know the wind turbine is not "pushed" around by the wind force but rather "pulled" around by aerodynamic lift of the blades generated by the blowing wind ? so this concept turbine of Robert will not increase efficiency (it might actually decrease it due to friction loses while redirecting the flow), but it will transform the "dynamic" swept area with flying blades into a "static" swept area with no moving parts (hence safer). i think it's a neat idea definitely worth of investigating, but i don't think it's anything revolutionary :)
@@robertjung8929 What is the cut in speed for propeller blades?
8-10 miles per hour winds.
Non-propeller designs, like the helical DNA shaped blades, begin to rotate in 3 mile per hour winds.
Helical wind turbines have been in use in Europe for 20+ years.
@@BenEehayeh where in europe exactly ? i live in europe and all big wind turbine farms i seen are using conventional blades.
@@robertjung8929 Finland.
Ok that's really cool. You could stack these and have them spin each other in a daisy chain, and just have one opened at the top to take the air in and spin, feeding air down into the others. This is such a neat concept!!!
great! Would love to see how efficient this thing is - and how it performs with a somewhat heavy generator (as you probably don't want it to spin too fast ).
I love that you work on and share all these wholesome projects. Very productive use of time. 🤗
Well done Robert .. great design idea!! Love watching this develop!
Thank you! Cheers!
Try adding a hood/top on it shaped like an overturned v bottom boat without a transom,with a vane on the rear keel. Free to rotate with the wind. Theoretically this should create a low pressure area at the outlet for the turbine. If attached to the shroud as well that would keep the open face to the wind.
Nice idea on a moving vehicle as it's generating during any journey regardless if it's windy or not. I wish you would do a return video on the diesel air heater for efficiently scavenging heat from the exhaust.
for sure
obviously using it while driving would increase the fuel consumption.
You need to study up on the concept of 'perpetual motion'. The energy needed from the vehicle's engine to combat the windage would not be off set by the amount of power produced. Way more efficient to simply have a mechanically spun alternator / generator. Now if you were camping for a few days next to a desert lake or along a sea cliff say... then it would be a nice bit of kit to augment other power production.
@@gilray1977 it would be interesting to see how much a small unit could produce. Even 1 amp would be great if it's spinning 24 hours a day.
Enjoying the content and the way it's all so easy to create and understand. I get the use of 3D printers is also increasing in popularity, but for those of us without one, converting every day items to do the same thing would be interesting. Maybe the use of sport / training cones (which are similar in shape and size to your printed cones) may be a adaption worth considering.
Most moderate-sized cities will have labs that you can rent a 3D printer for super cheap
Hi Roy,
I tend to agree with you.
I am thinking, since I am in a boat yard at the moment, with several people interested in clean energy I will be talking with a few others about a group buy.
You may be able to arrange the same thing in your area.
some libraries have access to 3D printers as well
Traffic cone for a bigger one
This was pretty much exactly, what i concluded for my use case following this wonderful Channel.
Thank you very mutch (yet again) for this specific one and for the whole journey up until now!
And Beyond!☕
Hi Robert, this is amazing! I'm wondering if the limiting factor on this isn't the wind input, but the wind exhaust? I love this application! Thank you!
The limit is that you compress/speed up the air to move through the smaller area of the turbine. There's quite some loss attached to this. So using a device like this makes only sense if you otherwise cannot achieve such a large area (safely).
The compression of the wind will increase depending on how much energy you extract - so your electrical load - which would need to be managed to be in an optimal efficiency range for the blade pitch/optimal RPM for the generator.
If you want to simplify the system electrically, you could use centrifugal force to adjust the blade pitch to keep it in an optimal pitch for the wind pressure (aka wind speed).
So you get a variable RPM but an optimal pitch to capture the wind with optimal efficiency.
The variable RPM can then be converted to an optimal RPM of the generator with a CVT - instead of using magnets in the rotor itself (which is a stupid idea to begin with).
I'd like to see a follow-up piece on how much torque this design puts out in comparison to vertical & horizontal bladed designs.
This concept of wind capture implemented in to a panel system similar to the wind wall would be amazing. You could build fencing with it and clad whole side's of buildings with it. Just think of the surface area a typical house wall has.
building an automatic electric fence? ;)
With the amount charged for a fan to push air into a campervan a passive (quiet) option that used mo power or even makes it would be an interesting development of this :)
would you mind printing the next parts with different colours kinda to match the cad designs so its easier to see what parts are what especally if they have moving and static parts ?,...or a little bit of paint / pen markings just so it has a visual of it spinning on camera 😆 hard to see whats moving and whats static with it all being grey, untill you did the topdown view of the impella but with you adding more and more items to these designs it just helps it stand out.
This is a cute design but it’s hard to get a sense of the scale of the apparatus that would be required to produce a meaningful amount of power in real world conditions. I imagine you’d need some quite large structures and a gear box to generate a few kilowatts and it would be significantly less efficient than a horizontal axis wind turbine because the air has to change direction as it is funneled through the turbine.
@Rob, as a sailor, I love this one. Very interesting indeed. I'd be curious to know how you would calculate the efficiency of that turbine. I know you mentioned the area of the cones would be what you use, but if you could make a video on how you would go about inputting that into Omni Calculator to get a sense of efficiency, would be pretty interesting for anyone looking to expand on this idea and wants to calculate it properly. Just a suggestion mate! Really enjoying the whole wind turbine stuff.
Turbine efficiency is fairly easy to calculate it's just wind velocity X surface area.
@@davidanderton2437 What? efficency= wind velocity X surface area? whatever mechanism is in that area? This can not be true - u get it yourslef, right?
@@sonic_P sorry I should be more precise in what I write. You only really need the area and velocity to calculate the available power. It's not as simple as multiplication but not far off. 0.5 X air density X swept area X velocity cubed.
Make some sails that work as solar panels
Another thing you should look at is differential pressure system based wind generation.
there are a few new wind turbines where instead of using the wind to turn an turbine outright. they instead use hollow wingforms attached to long tubes with holes in the low pressure areas of the wingform. When air is blown over the wing it creates a small vacuum like we use for lift in airplanes. However in this case with the holes in the right place the vacuum sucks the air out of the pipe attached to the wing rather then creating lift. you can then stick a turbine at the end of the pipe to generate power.
Hmmm. The power from a conventional propeller is generated at the tips which in turn produces leverage, which is why the larger the propeller diameter (think wind farm) the greater the power. This turbine is too small, as soon as you add coils to produce a voltage, then attach a load, you generate electromagnetic breaking. There won't be enough leverage to overcome this unwanted effect. The whole thing would need to be much larger, including the turbine.
I agree, the effort to produce ant dereee of electrical energy would be so tiny it is useless unless of great size. The only advantage I see is that the wind direction is not a factor as in a conventional wind generator. Height and blade diameter is a major factor in utilising the generating capacity of wind.
@@warrenelliott4555 I agree, also wind at rooftop level is completely unreliable , buildings interfere causing eddies etc which is why wind farms are on top of hills or at sea.
Alternatively 100's of those dotted all over my house n garden would produce a lot of battery charging power n not disturb neighbours(they'd just think it's that crazy guy again) ... I'm thinking rainbow colour...
Wrong…. he explains why.
@@FLodge100 lol
i think your wind turbine is a Great idea, and will put it to the test. If you have any print settings you prefer please share them. Otherwise we will post our progress here.
Printing the cones large end down is just slightly over 7 hours with 80 overhang angle.
Small end down results hover 11 hours, 80 overhang angle.
Cura slicer
Creality 10s Pro
E-sun PLA + (testing filament) will change to PETG on test completion.
I too am trying to print this but having issues with the turbine fins. The unit prints fine but the fins are not printing properly. Initial layers don't seem to go all the way across the gap from the hub to the outer ring. Some lay down fine but others only about half way or so. Very frustrating!! haha I'm using Cura also on a Sovol SV01. Overture PLA.. I struggle printing fine details. I'm also trying to print a small King's crown with the little balls on the tips, about 50mm diameter, but they won't attach. The crown prints fine but finishes up with a spiderweb of stringing with little blobs mixed in. Any constructive ideas would be much appreciated. Thank you!
@@NebulaM57 3D printing can be very frustrating due to all the fine settings that need to be checked. I think You should check different settings using a Benchy.
A few years ago I eliminated most of my print failures with extruder temperature calibration, and slower print speeds. Print speeds should not change from walls and layers. Every time the print speed changes the nozzle pressure will change requiring the extruder temperature to fluctuate.
Curing your filament with a food dryer before printing can be a problem solver.
Hope this helps!
Free spinning in the breeze is one thing, have you tested the design underload? I'm guessing its good for milliwatts only. Maybe scaled up it may amount to usable energy. Interesting experiment in any case
Yeah don't think it would be wise to turn off grid power just yet it more less a potato
Very nice concept, it would indeed make a lot of sense on a sailboat. Now it would be particularly interesting to get an actual "power to size" measurement. I think that even a small 50-100W turbine would be very useful on a sailboat, simply to back up the solar panels and give some charge during the night or cloudy days.
Robert, the development of this project has really caught my attention. I'm fascinated to see where it concludes. could this be a foundation for a power-system to run your garage from?
yes - i think it could mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering I currently have a mini solar system running 12v and 5v power supplies in my garage, just enough for simple LED lighting and phone charging. this wind turbine project of yours may well end up as the reason I buy a 3D printer and make some little wind turbines in addition to the solar rig.
keep up the good work Sir!
Mike
I'd be happier with just a 12v or even 5v output to match my existing portable solar.
Make possible that E V cars to get charged while on drive.
One side battery discharges power ,on the other side through this wind power generating turbines the battery gets charged.
So, there is no necessity to plug for a charge . it automatically gets charged through alternator and discharges power for rotary motor.
@@saddamhussainssaddamhussei3613 you will effect the aerodynamics of the vehicle and waste more than you generate.
At around 2:00 min sound gets ghastly better ! Thanks! Much easier to understand from that point.
Also can work for a RV (motorhome). Thank you Sir!!
I was thinking the same, use the wind power while driving to charge the batterys in the camper van as solar is not always great in winter so any extra electricity would help
Other than charging it also can serve as a fan moving air inside. Some RVs have problem with airflow
You bet!
@@replikvltyoutube3727 yes they do but unfortunately in tropical areas where that's a huge problem it also coincides with still days . Humidity and still days is the most awful experience especially 4-5 days straight . In this situation you would have to use the energy to spin the motor for airflow
@@dannywilson5852 Wouldn’t that cause drag so you’re offsetting fuel for electric?
Thank you Robert for all the wonderful things you show in your videos.
So my next question with is, how many can you stack. Do you get better results stacking 6 elements with a single turbine on top, and repeating again with 6 elements and turbine. Or 12 elements and a single turbine in one. which give best performance. at what point is there a diminishing return on the height of a single tower.
Excellent question, I would like to know answer especially for roof ridge configuration. I think it would depend on wind speed..
There would be a limit based on the input flow, where if the flow force added by the additional disc air was equal or less than that already rising then no further power is added.
Awesome idea and prototype! Love it!
Reading through the comments many seem to be hung up on powering up a huge generator and living off grid or just coming up with ways it won't work. This is a prototype. It's the first step of working out an idea!
Why not start small and maybe focus on charging a cell phone. That would be great for a minor power outage then develop the idea from there.
Excellent idea.!
Thank you! Cheers!
Well, it seems you just solved our power issues.
Roof cap a row of this will power a home.
Fantastic
Guys - is there a forum anywhere that these projects are discussed on further? I understand that Rob is creating these concepts and inspiring us, and hasn't the free time or necessarily the motivation to progress each concept to fruition. This generator is hugely interesting to me as a narrowboat owner, so I'd like to take it further, adapt the shield to support a vane, add a suitable coil and then weatherproof the whole device so it can be trialed in-situ. I don't have the skills or the knowledge to do this, but I'm sure there are other viewers here that do - hence the idea of a forum where build threads can be observed by all and thus refined over a period of time from the feedback. So, where do I start? Cheers, Steve
This. Can this post be pinned?
Back when Rob and Luke streamed on Twitch we suggested a Discord server but I can't remember what happened to the idea. I think it was a case of another thing for Rob to manage and feed so it didn't happen.
@@YoureNowOnTV I assume that maybe Luke or a nominated outsider could admin/look after the forum with Rob popping up now and again to chip in if inspired to do so? I can only see it becoming a hotbed of ideas, and it may alleviate the number of messages that Rob appears to receive. Shamefully I'm too old to understand Discord, can you post images etc like in an "old school" forum?
@@34136TS You sure can post images also videos and can have voice to voice conversations if you wish. 😀👍
@@YoureNowOnTV Blimey, you young 'uns are so sophisticated! 🤣🤣 Thanks 👌
The simplicity is simply amazing!
The roof-based collector idea is something I'm really interested in. I'm trying to see if I can make the hyperbolic cones threaded so one can simply screw into the next (though I'm not sure if that might make them too weak)
It's great to follow and learn. Spinning without friction is first step. Spinning with a load is going to be the next step. Windforce needed to generate a certain amount of energy. Looking forward to that.
Robert, super interesting and with great potential. You talked about capture area versus swept area. Is there also a sweet spot of how many and proximity of stacked cones in terms of power output and or efficiency? I can't help but feel that too many stacks or proximity would lead to air being "slowed" by boundary layer surface effects (think friction)- in essence a fixed "overhead" or "cost" (for want of simplification) for trying to make the system bigger and more powerful. Any thoughts or analysis on this side of an otherwise great concept?
This would be a brilliant generator to trickle charge the batteries of vehicles that don't get started often.
Killing a seagull is the least of our worries 😂. You need to make a new mike.
lol and yes i do
You don't want a wad of feathers gumming up your turbine 😁
Yeah wired lapel Mic costs like 5 pounds
@@Alsmithize who’s
@@GetWards “who is” as opposed to possession, whose line is possessive.
The wind generator of the future. Congratulations. You are a genius.
The rather poor sound quality of your videos make it difficult to watch your otherwise very interesting videos.
😂 wash yer ears out mate, it’s fine
@@bugsy742 While he's easily understandable, the sound quality is still pretty bad...
@@satan.is.my.copilot I hear you mate BUT “make it difficult to watch” 🤣 some folk just need to man up! My ears are smashed to pieces from a full career in warzones with zero hearing protection and predominantly around .5 machine guns, I can hear it fine, it’s actually not bad in the slightest it’s just not perfect, god knows how some people make it through the day 🙄
Maybe try another microphone. Know anybody who can lend you theirs to see if makes a difference ?
He ain't wrong though. I scrolled a bit and gave up. Bad audio = no watch. More than a guy can watch in a lifetime uploaded daily, most don't sound like they used a mic in a porcelain bowl in a tile washroom. Get a $30 lav mic and your views will 10x.
That is amazing can't wait to start this for my house. The best thing about it is that its actually quite beautiful!!
It's efficient, compact, and could be fitted into multiple areas. It surely must have great commercial potential.
Like the idea a lot! Put this on the roof during a hurricane and might be able to charge a watch battery and then be able to light up an LED or two. Make a full sized model and maybe could operate a small radio.
Cool Beans!
This could easily be installed on roof lines to power individual homes! Well done, far better idea than windmills.
I always have a breeze to a moderate wind Something on a larger scale could provide a lot of power if done correctly. Iv'e watched a ton of your videos but this one got me to tickle the subscribe button. I already have so many ideas and have started sourcing parts for the build.
Why wouldn't you subscribe even in the middle of 'the ton' of vids you've watched? (just out of interest)
This looks like it would be a great design for those places on land that get snow as the generator is on the top. Put some type of a cone on top with an overhang that would keep the snow from mucking things up and it should work quite well I would think. Seeing as our snow has finally gone away I'll have to give it try and see for next fall.
The turbine is still the actual limit as you can get choked flow, hence there is a limit to how much stacks of cones you can effectively stack (beyond which you get diminishing to no returns). Also since the turbine won't be 100% efficient at extracting the energy from the wind the leftover could be the start of the next stack of cones (and presumably you could use less cones before you saturate the following turbine).
Looking forward to when you get into …. Battery banks …. To see ,just how fast your turbines will charge them up !
There is a full size one on Skegness pier - looks awesome and clever engineering
Referring back to video's 1869 and 1870, with a little modification of the serpentine coil assembly, by making a larger centre opening, one could turn the coil assembly upside down and fit it to the shield.
It would be interesting to see what effect actually loading it by generating a voltage would have upon this device.
Great idea Robert, It is always inspiring. I will try to scale it up and show you the result. One of my concern is about snow. I live in Canada, and as you might know we get snow storm sometime. Although, during those events the wind is great and can get up to 12m/s, the snow pushed by that wind can glog any mechanism. The snow can also melt and then freeze again during a 24 hours span. I will have to come with a solution, but the basic design is fantastic.
How about a second cover 😊. Done.
@@sindeclerc7506 Not really because at that windspeed the snow travels almost horizontally. And the cover would also prevent the wind to exit the turbine. The cover would be usefull though, when the snow falls without any wind. For those situations, there would have to be a space between the turbine and the cover so the wind could exit. I will come up with something
That design is well suited to a planetary sun gear configuration based around the spinning exhaust plate. Like an automatic transmission in a car, gear ratios would accommodate variable wind conditions. Except in reverse. The output would spin the generator, naturally. Inspiring idea!
Loved it! ☺ Love your enthusiasm and inventive mind! Such a delight to listen to….God bless ya!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻☺
Damn you. I’ve been resisting the urge to buy a 3D printer for ages. Now I’ve not got an excuse. Wonderful stuff matey.
You could add some sort of cap to the outlet, attached to the backplate, to cause a low pressure zone in the outlet and increase the suction ?
I've just discovered your channel.
I was discussing solar power on the UK Campsite Forum website today and wrote "If at dawn each day you have less charge left in your battery than the day before you will at some point run out of power. You now have the Apollo 13 problem of saving enough power to get you back to Earth but of being alive when you return." ...... "The alternative to more solar panels is a wind turbine which would provide power during bad weather and at night."
My jaw dropped open when I saw your turbine as this is something that could bridge the solar panel gap. Every portable wind turbine I've seen before requires an Eiffel Tower to support it and it slices up seagulls and children in operation.
I want to know more and have clicked on Subscribe and Like.
I just looked up the RAM Air Turbines fitted to jet airliners for use in emergencies should the power supply fail, these are deploy-able seagull chopper propellers powered by the aircraft's flight through the air. If your wind turbines work they might end up fitted on all jet aircraft, deployment would be on a simple jack in the box spring/dead man switch.
Using the flat wind turbine on top and use the cones over. The Air/Wind flow direction down and the cavity shape moving down wider with each cone to direction of Vortex Turbine you made earlier. The Flow coming out at a near Horizontal direction to the bottom of the cone tower could have a Vertical set of vanes to add more affected surface area for Torque.
The angle and size could come in handy for a Brake in high winds.
A year ago I was fooling with the shield idea to help work a vertical rotor ...THIS design is Lightyears ahead ! Plus being omni directional makes it maritime application perfect!
It looks like you could daisy chain these top to bottom if you made a hole in the base plate and allow the wind to continue up through the following base of the next unit, capturing and reutilising that energy. Lay them on their side in a long row along the roof line and rig them up with capacitors.
Very good design, as long as it is connected with a generator, it can be widely used.
Two quick points. 1) It has to remain on a vertical axis. That isn't a problem, but at the end you seemed to be considering a horizontal position for boats. That means you'd have to steer the whole body of the thing into the wind which defeats the multidirectional design you just created. 2) You got it spinning at a good rate, which is awesome! But how much torque is there vs how much is needed to turn an alternator? Find how much torque (work) it will generate and find (or make) an alternator that will work with that.
Really interesting, I'll be looking at something like this on my upcoming camper conversion. Thanks.
lovely little gizmo. thanks Robert
Super cool design. This looks very scalable too!
je pense que c'est le meilleur concept pour du transportable de par la taille, et la sécurité, il faut vérifier le rendement. bravo !!
Consider a mechanism to rotate the shield to adjust the wattage output (musn't overcharge the batteries), and protect the turbine from over-revving. Maybe a stepper motor, a little Arduino or whatever, and a simple dithering algorithm.
Think about what this could do as part of a furnace bellows! In the right arrangement, the heat-driven draft could be set up in a two-part loop; one part as bellows, the other to provide electrical power for some other purpose.
Nice invention, I will soon learn how to design so I can print my first design with my 3d printer. I could already make this in metal with my CNC plasma table but might be heaving on each cone, spindle, etc. So I guess 15 years of 2d designing wasn't enough I need to learn 3d Designing as I could kick my own butt not getting into this earlier when they came out. lol
Thank You Mr. Smith
Well, it does spin in the wind, but what happens when you put a load on it?
Excellent! For bet effect for your videos, add a stripe on the rotor to illustrate the speed it is turning!
Hi Rob,
Now we talking, a great idea for a boat. Instead of trying every combination of wire turns for the coil can you give us a guess for numbers of wires for coil for charging a 12V battery. This is critical for a boat as we need to be able to start the battery after a long lay up and for the bilge pumps to be operational 24/7. in my case I have the worst VAWT which produces a max of 0.5 Amps in the strongest wind. I could easily swap it for this design. André in Sydney
I think you could revise this with a dual-rotor axial flux generator design. This would let you mount the magnets more securely, and get higher magnetic flux density in your stator coils.