Great video! As a pastor in the Reformed tradition myself, my eschatological camp would be 1) classical premillennialism, or 2) amillennialism and finally, I would love for postmillenialism to be the case!
Not a theologian, but Voddie Baucham is an Amillennialist, as well. I point him out, because Voddie has a really excellent Revelation preaching series on TH-cam. He does an amazing job of applying the book of Revelation for the church today from an amillennial perspective.
I, like most people in the West, was raised in Dispensational thought. Didn’t think much of it but became born again a few years ago. I’m now Reformed and consider myself an Amillenialist. I actually think Dispensationalism has done great damage to the western church and is most certainly partially to blame for the state we’re in right now. It’s an incredibly pessimistic view of the world. “We don’t win here” to quote John MacArthur who I am otherwise a big fan of. Why bother bettering your community when you’re just going to get sucked outta here when things go south? You should actually be joyful to see the world getting worse because that means you’re getting outta here sooner! Like I said, it’s had detrimental effects. Compare what the Puritans accomplished with their PostMill view compared to how downhill we’ve gone with the predominant Dispy view. I recommend listening to Kim Riddlebarger’s “Amillenialism” 101 series, Bruce Gore’s “The Apocalypse in Space & Time” series & Reformed Forums “History of Dispensationalism.” Yes this is secondary but has very real consequences for how we live our lives.
Father protecting His sons and daughters ... why would you not take them out ...plus its the taking away of the church that lets darkness reign. Thats whats holding back the worst from coming ... For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains ( the church) it will do so until he is out of the way.8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming
Kim Riddlebarger series on Amillenialism caused me to stop being a dispensationalist. I second your recommendation. I actually had a few questions. I emailed Kim and he was nice to enough to email me back.
Sarah thank you for that thoughtful response and the great resource suggestions. I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on what dispensationalism has done to our church. I am so grateful that we were able to see the error in that at last and we are now currently in a reformed church where there is such reverence for the Kingdom of God. May God bless you in all your endeavors For the Kingdom!
As a believer in dispensationalism I have never been taught that the rapture is secret. To choose one of the others because it seems more simple is illogical. Finally to take the book of revelation literally then believe we are in the great tribulation is also debatable. Finally God is Holy so how can he punish the just with the unjust. All that aside I appreciate teachings/overviews such as this.
Thank you pastor! No complains about representation of postmil position :) Could you make different videos on 1) different hermeneutical methodologies that lead to those eschatological positions; 2) different views of postmillennialism in regard to the nature of "golden age"?
well i grew up in a church that was dispensationalist and reformedish so if i am wrong well see in the trib if not i will see you in heaven and we will share notes pastor matt
Amen brother!!!🙏❤️. I am personally Post mill but certainly do not believe scripture in anyway, anywhere speaks of a pre trib premil dispensationalism or classic pre mill. I agree with you on John 5:28 that speaks of all the dead be raised to either eternal life or eternal condemnation. Isaiah 9:6 classic Christmas verse says that of increase of Christ’s government and peace there will be no end. He brought his kingdom when he came the first time and it is said to be like a mustard seed which is small but gradually grows larger than all the other plants into a tree. Isaiah 2, 65. There are so many problems that are very easy to biblically debunk the 4th view that it really has zero basis:)🙏❤️.
As for dispensationalism, a missing “heavy hitter” would be John F. Walvoord, former president of Dallas Theological Seminary and author of many commentaries, including Daniel and Revelation.
I am not surprised with your listing Francis Schaeffer as premillennial. He was probably included with Carl McIntire in the 1938 split of the Bible Presbyterian Church from the OPC and was the first minister ordained by the BPC. The Bible Presbyterian Church list being premillennial as one of their distinctive (also pretribulational but they do not list being dispensational). Dr, Schaeffer was one of the leaders in the 1955 BPC split that later became the Reformed Presbyterian Church Evangelical Synod, which in "Joining and Receiving" joined the PCA in 1982.
I have a question. I feel torn between Reformed Baptist and Presbyterian especially in regards to baptism and eschatology. Which view is correct and why?
Presby’s argue that there is a greater continuity between the old and new covenants (both under the over arching covenant of grace). Old Covenant believers circumcised their children and thus believers (inwardly and outwardly) and their children (at least outwardly) were identified as members of God’s covenant community. The children still have to believe the gospel… but there is an objective covenant community in the church. Baptism replaces circumcision in the new covenant. Reformed Baptists (I am one) argue for more discontinuity between old and new covenants. Rather than outward baptism (water) replacing the old covenant institution of circumcision, we see an inward baptism (Holy Spirit) that effectually produces faith in all who receive it as the replacement for the outward Old Testament circumcision. If you read about the new covenant in Jeremiah 31, it seems to me that all who are in the new covenant are regenerated. Thus believers’ children may be part of the outward church, they are not part of the new covenant until they have the new birth. Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Between the two issues you mention, and assuming confessional (i.e., 1689) Reformed Baptist, baptism is the only issue; they'd agree on eschatology (the chapters in their respective confessions on the subject are virtually identical, and allow postmil, amil, and historic premil). If by "Reformed Baptist" you just mean a position that holds credobaptism and Calvinist soteriology, those would be all over the map with respect to eschatology, so the title really doesn't say anything on that subject. But neither of your questions is going to be answered in a TH-cam comment; it's going to take some much more involved viewing and/or reading. On the credobaptist, and generally dispensationalist, side, I'd recommend John MacArthur; on the paedobaptist and postmil/amil side, I'd recommend R.C. Sproul and Doug Wilson. I lean postmil/amil and am undecided on the question of baptism.
I was raised in a Church where the pre-trib view was the default (but not very strenuously preached), but had already read through my Bible as a kid before I really heard it discussed, and never found the pre-trib view believable. My dad favors amillenialism, I favor a variant of classical Premillenialism that I'll call "archetypal Premillenialism", that is, that eschatological prophecies deal with repeating patterns in history that will reach their culmination in the end times. The Exodus shows these patterns in action, and I think that comparing the dispensationalist pre-trib view of the end times to the Exodus shows that the pre-trib view is in error (Pre-tribbers would have God rescue Israel from Egypt before Pharaoh ever enslaved them, and then rain down all the plagues on Egypt after the fact for even having thought about enslaving the Jews while Israel watched from a safe distance). I believe in a seven year final and Great Tribulation immediately prior to the return of Christ, that believers will meet Christ in the sky as he returns (and not before!), and in a literal thousand- year reign of Christ on Earth immediately following his return. I don't see great conflict with Christ officiating sacrifices in a new temple: the sacrifices were *always* symbolic of the crucifixion, previously they pointed forward, in the millennium they will point back (and it could well be that they will take the form of a communion service, not a sacrifice in the old manner). In any case, untangling everything is a challenge. Aside from the scriptural problems with a secret rapture, there are severe logical problems with the sudden rapture of all believers going unnoticed. So yeah, classic Premillenialism is at the top of my list, and dispensationalist pre-trib at the bottom. In the middle, I think amillenialism sounds more plausible (and probably less spiritually dangerous) than postmillenialism.
Pr, thank you for the exposition. I have seen many chants on my church, and some meme videos about "my alarm tone of trumpets made me wake up like it's the Rapture", which might have been written or filmed with a Dispensational view in mind, but may help us to understand the Historic Premil view since they do mention the cry of trumpets. There's a hymn in the Assemblies of God hymnal in Brazil named "Ao Estrurgir a Trombeta" (i.e. "When Blowing the Trumpet"). The thing is: Dispies make us feel like they imagine a secret rapture but they outcry and produce art making it soud that the Rapture will be outloud. I'm stressing this because we have little to no imaginative material on how the Descent of Christ to Earth will be, how will the dinings on Mount Zion be (Rev. 14, 1-5). Many do chants and hymns on this, but no one does a movie on this, like Left Behind or a soap opera that was run by the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, here in Brazil, named "Apocalipse". I would be quite sure that there is some theatral productions out there that clearly outline the Postmillenial or Amillenial view. But the view that dominates the mainstream visual arts is Dispensationalist, and other media can point us out to Classic PreMill. But that's all. It is pointless that theologians stop using the word "Rapture" in their lectures so not to be confused with puffy Dispys (they're still Christians but not the best ones), since they just regard the theologians, then, as fake Christians. I find it pointless to argue with my parents or the ministers at my church on how the End Times will be, because lectures on that are sparse in Portuguese, and even if I would give them, they wouldn't believe, they would stick to Rapture theology. So I compliment you for assuming the term "Rapture" as biblical, even though you probably disagree on how it will happen and work out with most Christians. The thing is, I think we should try to explain how, at the same time, the Church of God will be catched up in the air, and Christ will descend to Earth. It matches the PostMill and Amill views, and that might happen in the Historic Premill view. But it must be explained *imagetically* before it is shown theologically. We strive for universal education, but many uneducated ministers out there who say things they can't explain.
That was very interesting! I was raised in a pre-trib church, but as I grew in my faith and started to dig into the Word, my view changed. As of now, I refer to myself as a two-thirds tribber, lol. I believe the Church will be raptured (not secretly--don't know where that came from) at the last trumpet--of the seven trumpets. I believe the seven years of tribulation and the thousand years of Christ's reign are literal in number. I also believe the sacrifices will be restarted, but this is my thinking on why: The blood of sacrifices always pointed to the One Sacrifice of Christ. That's what will be needed in the Millennium. Right now we have Communion/the Lord's Supper which reminds us of His sacrifice. But for a thousand years death will be unusual. Many born during that time will be unfamiliar with the concept of death. While juice/wine and bread are sufficient images for us now, I believe the sacrifices will be that imagery in the future. Not for forgiveness but, just as the OT sacrifices pointed toward the Cross, the Millennial sacrifices will point back. These are my own thoughts, not anything I've been taught. I'd love to get your feedback and insight. I'm always yearning to learn and understand more about the Word.
Former dispy (first 10 years in Christ)… now amil (past 3 years). If anyone is interested in some good reading, I recommend the following: Sam Waldron’s books (end times made simple, more end times made simple, MacArthur’s millennial manifesto) Kim Riddlebarger - case for amil, the man of sin Cornelis Venema - Promise of the future Anthony Hoekema - Bible and the future Sam Storms - kingdom come The meaning of the millennium (3 views) The millennium and beyond (3 views) Michael Horton’s systematic theology (the Christian Faith) Geerhardus Vos - Pauline eschatology, biblical theology Perspectives on Israel and the Church (4 views) Jeff Johnson - The five points of amil O Palmer Robertson - The Israel of God, Christ of the covenants Charles Hill - Regnum Caelorum GK Beal - New Testament Theology Dean Davis - The High King of Heaven Commentaries - Revelation (GK Beale, W Hendrickson, Dennis Johnson, Joel Beeke), Thessalonians (GK Beale), Daniel (Baldwin), Zechariah (Baldwin), Ezekiel (Duguid), Isaiah (Motyer). There are many others but this should get you started!
You never check Bible facts, but faith does not need facts. No one has found evidence for the Holy Bible but no Christian cares about reality or facts, Rube. You suffer from Christian Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.
Being honest, I have to admit I did not look at every second of this video. However I did want to make note that you seemed to me, unless I missed it somehow, to have left out the postmillennialist view. Sometimes referred to as the fulfilled covenant view. That particular group, which I am a member, is growing quiet vigorously within the Christian Community.
I lean pretribulation rapture. My ultimate feeling is “pan tribulation”. I have a hard time consigning so much of Jesus’s words and Paul’s as metaphorical. Or to say it already happened. I understand the challenges. The silly books that captivated people and made millions of dollars. I lean towards there will be a literal 7 year tribulation, there will be a literal Antichrist, there will be literal bowls of judgment. I do believe in a real thousand years of Christ reigning and the world in perfect harmony. I don’t wish to put words in your mouth but it seems these other positions make what seemed important to Jesus meaningless. Or Paul or John for that matter. However this was very helpful overview. Thanks
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz Any Bible facts. Moses was created in 950 BCE. You wallow in ignorance, cuz Christians have faith and no need for any facts whatsoever, anytime, anywhere, Cupcake.
I am currently wrestling with this. I have been a classic pre-mil for 12 years. But I am in process of moving to Amillennialism. However, I do still see a place for a tribulation period unlike any other time. Paul tells us the earth will go through birth pangs and that people will become increasingly wicked. I don't think I see it as a certain 7 year period, but a time where The Antichrist will come and fight against God's people, the church. Which I think is a part of Amillennialism. As "Satan is released for a time."
The 7 year period ideal comes from a singular interpretation of Scripture created prior to the Pony Express.... Why is the Pony Express relevant? Because the book of Daniel is sealed until the time of the combustion engine.... mass transport and the internet... Dan 12:4. Daniel 9:26,27: "... shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. This passage of Scripture is fulfilled perfectly by history shortly aftet the 69th week occured: After Messiah (Jesus) was cut off by the cross, Titus (who's father Vespasion became Emperor of Rome... making him a prince) confirming the peace treaty covenant with the Roman Senate, that Israel made with Alexander the Great to squelch the Jewish Uprising, this is the 7 year war known as the Roman Jewish War or Jewish Uprising. It started in 66 AD and ended with the fall of Masada in 73 AD... (If you don't know about Masada... watch a commentary or the old 70's movie 'Masada' on youtube". In the middle of that week (7 year war 66-73 AD) Jerusalem was destroyed when Titus broke through the wall and like a flood his army poured into the city and the temple was caught on fire by the Hellenist. The gold melted into the stones, and as a result... not one stone was left upon another because the gold seekers wanted the gold...Matt. 24:1-4,15-21. The sacrifices and offerings (oblations) ended in 70 AD. How do someone come up with the idea that a futurist 7 year tribulation Period of time comes from Daniel 9:27? You DON'T.... Rather this idea is a singular interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) of one man in the 1830's named John Nelson Darby. Never is this concept taught in the Word of God, but ONLY by the mouths of MEN! A serious wake-up call to those attempting to present this as futurist is the fact that the sacrifices and offerings ended nearly 2000 years ago. Time of Jacob's Trouble The time of Jacob's Trouble is not a seven year period of time.... The Word of God NEVER states that... rather the time of Jacob's trouble is a 2 chapter prophesy and not a single verse... Jer 30,31... this prophesy shows that Israel is scattered to the nations...Jer 30:10,11. A scattering to the nations is called a 'diaspora". The Jewish Diaspora started in 66 AD, and did not start to come to a close until Israel got her land back in 1948. The prophesy shows that Israel is later gathered... Jer. 31:8. During this time (called the Jewish Diaspora) 12 million were killed during this worst time ever for Israel... 6 million by the Nazi's, and many by the various inquisitions. 4 passages show this.... How can a more 'worst time ever' be imminent if only 6.5 million Jews live in Israel today? The disciples asked Jesus a direct question concerning when the 2nd temple would be destroyed and not one stone left upon another in Matt. 24:1-3... verse 4 states that Jesus answered their direct question... what verses does Jesus respond to their question concerning the temple if it's not 15-21? Jesus speaks of this worst time ever as the 'great tribulation". Daniel 12 starts with "at that time..." referring to the Roman occupation of Israel shown in the previous chapter...vs 40,41, where the Glorious Land is occupied, but noto Ammon, Edom, etc. to the South. Daniel 12 also shows a resurrection at this time that both the righteous and unrighteous are resurrected at this time.... Obviously only the righteous are resurrected in Rev. 20:4,5... At the rapture... is the unrighteous resurrected.?.. if they aren't then Daniel 12 and the time of Jacob's trouble doesn't apply to the rapture, for the unrighteous are resurrected in this passage as well as the righteous. The righteous and unrighteous resurrection was fulfilled in Matt 27 when Jesus went to Sheol while in the grave for 3 days. The righteous were seen resurrected walking the earth in Matt 27. The righteous were taken to heaven, the unrighteous to eternal hell.
You never check Bible facts, but your obsession with delusions and paranoia keeps your faith alive. Must be fun to be in a creepy cult like Scientology - exactly like Christianity.
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(Edit) I grew up premil disp, so much so that I attended an A/G Bible college!! It never answered these questions. Here’s my question: when does satan have his millennial reign? I was a premil disp my entire life, but there are too many discrepancies w/ it. I always answered, “well there are things that are above our understanding,” when people asked some of the discrepancies. It makes sense that the reign would be in Heaven. How could Jesus reign a thousand years, before satan gets his millennium??? He wipes out demons and defeats satan, but He then has them come back for a millennia. It doesn’t make sense! Plus, how could we walk around w/ Jesus, in His Heavenly state, before we are transformed?
You left out of the Dispensational view the re-release of Satan 'for a time' after all has been said and done except the final judgement. That particular thing has always been a sticking point of the dispensationalist interpretation for me. It doesn't make logical sense. At least not to me.
Thanks for this helpful video, I just wanted to mention since you included John MacArthur at the end there that I think progressive and classic dispensationalists shouldn’t always be thought of together. What we call progressive dispensationalism today is older than the classic view of dispensationalism. Progressive dispensationalism mostly just says that Israel’s blessings aren’t fulfilled in Christ or the church but are still coming in the future millennial kingdom, and they let that presupposition dictate their eschatology. Not saying that they are right, but it is far easier to find historic adherents to that position than to dispensationalism as a hermeneutic, which has no historical basis and is one of its biggest problems. But you could even say JC Ryle was a progressive dispensationalist in today’s terms because he held to a distinction between Israel and the church and a pre trib rapture. And JC was an Anglican bishop of Liverpool, he was no part of the Plymouth Brethren. I guess what I’m saying is this, John MacArthur gets called a dispensationalist and that’s not really the case. It takes more than believing in a pre trib rapture to be a dispy. He is almost historic premil and that’s what everyone would call him if he was a post trib guy. But anyways, thank you for your videos pastor Matt, they are awesome and edifying. God bless!
You can't teach a pretrib rapture without first indoctrinating in dispensationalism.... the very core of attempting to separate the event Paul calls "the resurrection of the dead"... 1 Cor 15:42-54 into multiple event.... now with new conjured terms "rapture" and "second coming'.... comes from attempting to separate the church from the Jews concerning the Olivet Discourse... Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke21. Jesus ends the discourse with "what I say to you, I say to all..." (see Mark's account) .... the rapture lie comes from suggesting that Jesus was only speaking to the Jews when He states that He comes after the tribulation... Matt 24:29-31. Dispensationalism is the art of eliminating the Word's of Christ as valid... for we are told that we no longer live in the dispensation of Christ... therefore His Message is not current. A dispensation is a message/gospel... to be a dispensationalist is to reject the Gospel of Christ and replace it with man's message.
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz that’s not the definition of dispensationalism, people believed in a separation of Israel and the church prior to Darby. It’s not honest to say that dispensationalism just entails a separation between the church and Israel, it’s far more than that. MacArthur is not dispensational, he shares some of their views for sure. But that’s like if I was to call him Pentecostal because he believes in the Holy Spirit, it’s just not accurate.
@@austinmclean4489 You are correct in stating that dispensationalism existed prior to Darby.... Peter addresses it in 2 Peter 3:10-18.... After Peter tells us that Jesus comes like a thief in the night when the heavens are destroyed, (thus eliminating the ideal of a rapture 7 years prior creating a countdown to the heavens destroyed)... Peter goes on to state that men twist Paul's teaching on the matter (adding a rapture event) as they do all of Scripture (dispensationalism) and then he calls them "wicked".... and tells us to not fall from our steadfastness. Paul never taught a rapture prior to tribulation.. but called the event "the resurrection of the dead"... 1 Cor 15;42-54 which is what he didn't want us ignorant about in 1 Thess 4:13-18.... the dead get their physical bodies back resurrected from the dead so that they now can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years on a physical Earth.... Paul directly states that these physical bodies do not go to heaven...vs. 50.
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz I agree with your arguments against a pre trib rapture as I lean amil, and I agree that dispensationalism at its root is antinomian, and boarders on changing the gospel for gentiles and Jews. That’s why MacArthur isn’t dispensational, that’s all I’m saying. I’m not arguing for a certain view at all, I just don’t think MacArthur should be called a dispensationalist because I think it’s a straw man.
Although I hold to the 1646 Westminster Confession on most things, I do take Federalism (both Covenant and Dispensational) from the 1689 Second London Confession, so I hold, as I feel it is the most Strongly Supported by what I personally view as a Condemnation of Preterism in 2nd Timothy, the Promise of being "Kept" in Revelation Chapter 3 Verse 10, and the clear Description of a New, Perfect, World in Revelation Chapters 21 and 22, and the Confirmation of Revelation being written in 95-97 AD (so over a Quarter of a Century *after* the Destruction of Jerusalem) that is found in the Writings of Irenaeus of Lyon, I hold to Premillennial and Pre Tribulation, as did Irenaeus actually, its a lot older than Darby! I also hold to Nero Redivivus (Caesar Nero raised from the dead by Satan as the man of Sin) , but , indeed, Eschatology is indeed, and it took me a *long* time to accept this, a Secondary issue and *not* grounds for the H Word or Disfellowship in any way shape or form, and is always going to be very Subjective while we are still in these Fleshly and Fallen Pre-Resurrection Tents.
I may say the end of times maybe the of end religion and a beginning of the heavenly fathers of ruling by not fear but by true pure love, Bible would nolonger have meaning. The end is just beginning of true enlightenment without boarders
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Great video! Thank you so much for explaining the various views. 😊
Great video! As a pastor in the Reformed tradition myself, my eschatological camp would be 1) classical premillennialism, or 2) amillennialism and finally, I would love for postmillenialism to be the case!
Not a theologian, but Voddie Baucham is an Amillennialist, as well. I point him out, because Voddie has a really excellent Revelation preaching series on TH-cam. He does an amazing job of applying the book of Revelation for the church today from an amillennial perspective.
I, like most people in the West, was raised in Dispensational thought. Didn’t think much of it but became born again a few years ago. I’m now Reformed and consider myself an Amillenialist.
I actually think Dispensationalism has done great damage to the western church and is most certainly partially to blame for the state we’re in right now.
It’s an incredibly pessimistic view of the world. “We don’t win here” to quote John MacArthur who I am otherwise a big fan of. Why bother bettering your community when you’re just going to get sucked outta here when things go south? You should actually be joyful to see the world getting worse because that means you’re getting outta here sooner! Like I said, it’s had detrimental effects.
Compare what the Puritans accomplished with their PostMill view compared to how downhill we’ve gone with the predominant Dispy view.
I recommend listening to Kim Riddlebarger’s “Amillenialism” 101 series, Bruce Gore’s “The Apocalypse in Space & Time” series & Reformed Forums “History of Dispensationalism.”
Yes this is secondary but has very real consequences for how we live our lives.
Agree
Father protecting His sons and daughters ... why would you not take them out ...plus its the taking away of the church that lets darkness reign. Thats whats holding back the worst from coming ... For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains ( the church) it will do so until he is out of the way.8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming
Kim Riddlebarger series on Amillenialism caused me to stop being a dispensationalist. I second your recommendation. I actually had a few questions. I emailed Kim and he was nice to enough to email me back.
Sarah thank you for that thoughtful response and the great resource suggestions. I agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on what dispensationalism has done to our church. I am so grateful that we were able to see the error in that at last and we are now currently in a reformed church where there is such reverence for the Kingdom of God. May God bless you in all your endeavors For the Kingdom!
Couldn’t agree with u more!! Thanks for saying this.. God bless!
Thanks Pastor Matt for putting this together. It is very helpful
Thank you for this video, the accompanying of the visuals made it especially helpful and clear to me. Thanks!
Brainwashing needs slick stuff. I use Holy Water enemas when I relieve the spiritually constipated Christians, Rube!
This was very helpful, thank you Matt! I hold to the Amillennial view as well. Keep up the great work on your videos and God bless 🙏
This is so helpful! Thank you for this!
As a believer in dispensationalism I have never been taught that the rapture is secret.
To choose one of the others because it seems more simple is illogical.
Finally to take the book of revelation literally then believe we are in the great tribulation is also debatable.
Finally God is Holy so how can he punish the just with the unjust.
All that aside I appreciate teachings/overviews such as this.
I can't ascribe to any system less than 20p years old
One of the best teachings on this subject I have seen 🙏
Thank you pastor! No complains about representation of postmil position :) Could you make different videos on 1) different hermeneutical methodologies that lead to those eschatological positions; 2) different views of postmillennialism in regard to the nature of "golden age"?
I'm in the amillennialism camp, but hopeful for a postmillennial return!
This is me... I waiver between the two
RC Sproul was solidly amillennial.
Excellent presentation. Quite clear, concise and accurate.
Thank you, Pastor Matt🌹🌹🌹🌹
well i grew up in a church that was dispensationalist and reformedish so if i am wrong well see in the trib if not i will see you in heaven and we will share notes pastor matt
Thank you so much!!! This is super helpful!!!
Pastor Matt, is there a possibility to download that graphics? That will help me tremendously! Thank you!
Amen brother!!!🙏❤️.
I am personally Post mill but certainly do not believe scripture in anyway, anywhere speaks of a pre trib premil dispensationalism or classic pre mill. I agree with you on John 5:28 that speaks of all the dead be raised to either eternal life or eternal condemnation. Isaiah 9:6 classic Christmas verse says that of increase of Christ’s government and peace there will be no end. He brought his kingdom when he came the first time and it is said to be like a mustard seed which is small but gradually grows larger than all the other plants into a tree. Isaiah 2, 65. There are so many problems that are very easy to biblically debunk the 4th view that it really has zero basis:)🙏❤️.
As for dispensationalism, a missing “heavy hitter” would be John F. Walvoord, former president of Dallas Theological Seminary and author of many commentaries, including Daniel and Revelation.
Very good explanation ....!
I am not surprised with your listing Francis Schaeffer as premillennial. He was probably included with Carl McIntire in the 1938 split of the Bible Presbyterian Church from the OPC and was the first minister ordained by the BPC. The Bible Presbyterian Church list being premillennial as one of their distinctive (also pretribulational but they do not list being dispensational). Dr, Schaeffer was one of the leaders in the 1955 BPC split that later became the Reformed Presbyterian Church Evangelical Synod, which in "Joining and Receiving" joined the PCA in 1982.
I have a question. I feel torn between Reformed Baptist and Presbyterian especially in regards to baptism and eschatology. Which view is correct and why?
Presby’s argue that there is a greater continuity between the old and new covenants (both under the over arching covenant of grace). Old Covenant believers circumcised their children and thus believers (inwardly and outwardly) and their children (at least outwardly) were identified as members of God’s covenant community. The children still have to believe the gospel… but there is an objective covenant community in the church. Baptism replaces circumcision in the new covenant.
Reformed Baptists (I am one) argue for more discontinuity between old and new covenants. Rather than outward baptism (water) replacing the old covenant institution of circumcision, we see an inward baptism (Holy Spirit) that effectually produces faith in all who receive it as the replacement for the outward Old Testament circumcision. If you read about the new covenant in Jeremiah 31, it seems to me that all who are in the new covenant are regenerated. Thus believers’ children may be part of the outward church, they are not part of the new covenant until they have the new birth.
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
@@classicchristianliterature thank you
I am neither... and therefore not bias
Scripture warns us of both teachings on both camps.
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Between the two issues you mention, and assuming confessional (i.e., 1689) Reformed Baptist, baptism is the only issue; they'd agree on eschatology (the chapters in their respective confessions on the subject are virtually identical, and allow postmil, amil, and historic premil). If by "Reformed Baptist" you just mean a position that holds credobaptism and Calvinist soteriology, those would be all over the map with respect to eschatology, so the title really doesn't say anything on that subject.
But neither of your questions is going to be answered in a TH-cam comment; it's going to take some much more involved viewing and/or reading. On the credobaptist, and generally dispensationalist, side, I'd recommend John MacArthur; on the paedobaptist and postmil/amil side, I'd recommend R.C. Sproul and Doug Wilson. I lean postmil/amil and am undecided on the question of baptism.
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I was raised in a Church where the pre-trib view was the default (but not very strenuously preached), but had already read through my Bible as a kid before I really heard it discussed, and never found the pre-trib view believable. My dad favors amillenialism, I favor a variant of classical Premillenialism that I'll call "archetypal Premillenialism", that is, that eschatological prophecies deal with repeating patterns in history that will reach their culmination in the end times. The Exodus shows these patterns in action, and I think that comparing the dispensationalist pre-trib view of the end times to the Exodus shows that the pre-trib view is in error (Pre-tribbers would have God rescue Israel from Egypt before Pharaoh ever enslaved them, and then rain down all the plagues on Egypt after the fact for even having thought about enslaving the Jews while Israel watched from a safe distance).
I believe in a seven year final and Great Tribulation immediately prior to the return of Christ, that believers will meet Christ in the sky as he returns (and not before!), and in a literal thousand- year reign of Christ on Earth immediately following his return. I don't see great conflict with Christ officiating sacrifices in a new temple: the sacrifices were *always* symbolic of the crucifixion, previously they pointed forward, in the millennium they will point back (and it could well be that they will take the form of a communion service, not a sacrifice in the old manner). In any case, untangling everything is a challenge.
Aside from the scriptural problems with a secret rapture, there are severe logical problems with the sudden rapture of all believers going unnoticed.
So yeah, classic Premillenialism is at the top of my list, and dispensationalist pre-trib at the bottom. In the middle, I think amillenialism sounds more plausible (and probably less spiritually dangerous) than postmillenialism.
Pr, thank you for the exposition. I have seen many chants on my church, and some meme videos about "my alarm tone of trumpets made me wake up like it's the Rapture", which might have been written or filmed with a Dispensational view in mind, but may help us to understand the Historic Premil view since they do mention the cry of trumpets. There's a hymn in the Assemblies of God hymnal in Brazil named "Ao Estrurgir a Trombeta" (i.e. "When Blowing the Trumpet"). The thing is: Dispies make us feel like they imagine a secret rapture but they outcry and produce art making it soud that the Rapture will be outloud. I'm stressing this because we have little to no imaginative material on how the Descent of Christ to Earth will be, how will the dinings on Mount Zion be (Rev. 14, 1-5). Many do chants and hymns on this, but no one does a movie on this, like Left Behind or a soap opera that was run by the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, here in Brazil, named "Apocalipse". I would be quite sure that there is some theatral productions out there that clearly outline the Postmillenial or Amillenial view. But the view that dominates the mainstream visual arts is Dispensationalist, and other media can point us out to Classic PreMill. But that's all. It is pointless that theologians stop using the word "Rapture" in their lectures so not to be confused with puffy Dispys (they're still Christians but not the best ones), since they just regard the theologians, then, as fake Christians. I find it pointless to argue with my parents or the ministers at my church on how the End Times will be, because lectures on that are sparse in Portuguese, and even if I would give them, they wouldn't believe, they would stick to Rapture theology. So I compliment you for assuming the term "Rapture" as biblical, even though you probably disagree on how it will happen and work out with most Christians.
The thing is, I think we should try to explain how, at the same time, the Church of God will be catched up in the air, and Christ will descend to Earth. It matches the PostMill and Amill views, and that might happen in the Historic Premill view. But it must be explained *imagetically* before it is shown theologically. We strive for universal education, but many uneducated ministers out there who say things they can't explain.
Thank you I love the diagrams
That was very interesting! I was raised in a pre-trib church, but as I grew in my faith and started to dig into the Word, my view changed. As of now, I refer to myself as a two-thirds tribber, lol. I believe the Church will be raptured (not secretly--don't know where that came from) at the last trumpet--of the seven trumpets. I believe the seven years of tribulation and the thousand years of Christ's reign are literal in number.
I also believe the sacrifices will be restarted, but this is my thinking on why: The blood of sacrifices always pointed to the One Sacrifice of Christ. That's what will be needed in the Millennium. Right now we have Communion/the Lord's Supper which reminds us of His sacrifice. But for a thousand years death will be unusual. Many born during that time will be unfamiliar with the concept of death. While juice/wine and bread are sufficient images for us now, I believe the sacrifices will be that imagery in the future. Not for forgiveness but, just as the OT sacrifices pointed toward the Cross, the Millennial sacrifices will point back.
These are my own thoughts, not anything I've been taught. I'd love to get your feedback and insight. I'm always yearning to learn and understand more about the Word.
You never check Bible facts, you are a rube who is willing to die for Jesus Christ.
One return, not two or three
Former dispy (first 10 years in Christ)… now amil (past 3 years). If anyone is interested in some good reading, I recommend the following:
Sam Waldron’s books (end times made simple, more end times made simple, MacArthur’s millennial manifesto)
Kim Riddlebarger - case for amil, the man of sin
Cornelis Venema - Promise of the future
Anthony Hoekema - Bible and the future
Sam Storms - kingdom come
The meaning of the millennium (3 views)
The millennium and beyond (3 views)
Michael Horton’s systematic theology (the Christian Faith)
Geerhardus Vos - Pauline eschatology, biblical theology
Perspectives on Israel and the Church (4 views)
Jeff Johnson - The five points of amil
O Palmer Robertson - The Israel of God, Christ of the covenants
Charles Hill - Regnum Caelorum
GK Beal - New Testament Theology
Dean Davis - The High King of Heaven
Commentaries - Revelation (GK Beale, W Hendrickson, Dennis Johnson, Joel Beeke), Thessalonians (GK Beale), Daniel (Baldwin), Zechariah (Baldwin), Ezekiel (Duguid), Isaiah (Motyer).
There are many others but this should get you started!
You never check Bible facts, but faith does not need facts. No one has found evidence for the Holy Bible but no Christian cares about reality or facts, Rube. You suffer from Christian Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.
Being honest, I have to admit I did not look at every second of this video. However I did want to make note that you seemed to me, unless I missed it somehow, to have left out the postmillennialist view. Sometimes referred to as the fulfilled covenant view. That particular group, which I am a member, is growing quiet vigorously within the Christian Community.
Wow, i would not have thought Francis Schaeffer was classic pre-mil
Chhriwtin brainwashing makes you suffer from Christian Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Rube.
Great vid! Did you know that monetized this vid with an ad for LDS? Ha ha.
I lean pretribulation rapture. My ultimate feeling is “pan tribulation”. I have a hard time consigning so much of Jesus’s words and Paul’s as metaphorical. Or to say it already happened. I understand the challenges. The silly books that captivated people and made millions of dollars. I lean towards there will be a literal 7 year tribulation, there will be a literal Antichrist, there will be literal bowls of judgment. I do believe in a real thousand years of Christ reigning and the world in perfect harmony. I don’t wish to put words in your mouth but it seems these other positions make what seemed important to Jesus meaningless. Or Paul or John for that matter. However this was very helpful overview. Thanks
I have the Exact same Views Brother :) Literal and Futurist.
I believe in a post-trib pre-wrath rapture, immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS.
You never check Bible facts, but are willing to die for Jesus Christ.
@@martinkent333 what Bible facts are you referring to?
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz Any Bible facts. Moses was created in 950 BCE. You wallow in ignorance, cuz Christians have faith and no need for any facts whatsoever, anytime, anywhere, Cupcake.
@@martinkent333 no idea what you are talking about, friend.
I tend to lean on the historical premillennialism. Christ comes back at the last trumpet.
I may have missed it...but did you share what RC Sproull embraces on the end times....
According to Kenneth Gentry's book, R C Sproul was Postmilll
I’m still unsure which one is correct.
I am currently wrestling with this. I have been a classic pre-mil for 12 years. But I am in process of moving to Amillennialism. However, I do still see a place for a tribulation period unlike any other time. Paul tells us the earth will go through birth pangs and that people will become increasingly wicked.
I don't think I see it as a certain 7 year period, but a time where The Antichrist will come and fight against God's people, the church. Which I think is a part of Amillennialism. As "Satan is released for a time."
The 7 year period ideal comes from a singular interpretation of Scripture created prior to the Pony Express.... Why is the Pony Express relevant? Because the book of Daniel is sealed until the time of the combustion engine.... mass transport and the internet... Dan 12:4.
Daniel 9:26,27:
"... shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This passage of Scripture is fulfilled perfectly by history shortly aftet the 69th week occured:
After Messiah (Jesus) was cut off by the cross, Titus (who's father Vespasion became Emperor of Rome... making him a prince) confirming the peace treaty covenant with the Roman Senate, that Israel made with Alexander the Great to squelch the Jewish Uprising, this is the 7 year war known as the Roman Jewish War or Jewish Uprising. It started in 66 AD and ended with the fall of Masada in 73 AD... (If you don't know about Masada... watch a commentary or the old 70's movie 'Masada' on youtube". In the middle of that week (7 year war 66-73 AD) Jerusalem was destroyed when Titus broke through the wall and like a flood his army poured into the city and the temple was caught on fire by the Hellenist. The gold melted into the stones, and as a result... not one stone was left upon another because the gold seekers wanted the gold...Matt. 24:1-4,15-21. The sacrifices and offerings (oblations) ended in 70 AD. How do someone come up with the idea that a futurist 7 year tribulation Period of time comes from Daniel 9:27? You DON'T.... Rather this idea is a singular interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) of one man in the 1830's named John Nelson Darby. Never is this concept taught in the Word of God, but ONLY by the mouths of MEN! A serious wake-up call to those attempting to present this as futurist is the fact that the sacrifices and offerings ended nearly 2000 years ago.
Time of Jacob's Trouble
The time of Jacob's Trouble is not a seven year period of time.... The Word of God NEVER states that... rather the time of Jacob's trouble is a 2 chapter prophesy and not a single verse... Jer 30,31... this prophesy shows that Israel is scattered to the nations...Jer 30:10,11. A scattering to the nations is called a 'diaspora". The Jewish Diaspora started in 66 AD, and did not start to come to a close until Israel got her land back in 1948. The prophesy shows that Israel is later gathered... Jer. 31:8. During this time (called the Jewish Diaspora) 12 million were killed during this worst time ever for Israel... 6 million by the Nazi's, and many by the various inquisitions. 4 passages show this.... How can a more 'worst time ever' be imminent if only 6.5 million Jews live in Israel today?
The disciples asked Jesus a direct question concerning when the 2nd temple would be destroyed and not one stone left upon another in Matt. 24:1-3... verse 4 states that Jesus answered their direct question... what verses does Jesus respond to their question concerning the temple if it's not 15-21? Jesus speaks of this worst time ever as the 'great tribulation".
Daniel 12 starts with "at that time..." referring to the Roman occupation of Israel shown in the previous chapter...vs 40,41, where the Glorious Land is occupied, but noto Ammon, Edom, etc. to the South. Daniel 12 also shows a resurrection at this time that both the righteous and unrighteous are resurrected at this time.... Obviously only the righteous are resurrected in Rev. 20:4,5... At the rapture... is the unrighteous resurrected.?.. if they aren't then Daniel 12 and the time of Jacob's trouble doesn't apply to the rapture, for the unrighteous are resurrected in this passage as well as the righteous. The righteous and unrighteous resurrection was fulfilled in Matt 27 when Jesus went to Sheol while in the grave for 3 days. The righteous were seen resurrected walking the earth in Matt 27. The righteous were taken to heaven, the unrighteous to eternal hell.
You never check Bible facts, but your obsession with delusions and paranoia keeps your faith alive. Must be fun to be in a creepy cult like Scientology - exactly like Christianity.
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz You never check Bible facts, but suffer from Christian Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Cupcake.
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@@martinkent333 what?
You left out historical Amillennialism. What are you thought on it?
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I grew up premil disp, so much so that I attended an A/G Bible college!! It never answered these questions.
Here’s my question: when does satan have his millennial reign? I was a premil disp my entire life, but there are too many discrepancies w/ it. I always answered, “well there are things that are above our understanding,” when people asked some of the discrepancies.
It makes sense that the reign would be in Heaven. How could Jesus reign a thousand years, before satan gets his millennium??? He wipes out demons and defeats satan, but He then has them come back for a millennia. It doesn’t make sense! Plus, how could we walk around w/ Jesus, in His Heavenly state, before we are transformed?
So, when is Satan bound in the Amillennial view? Scripture clearly shows that being during the Millennial reign.
You left out of the Dispensational view the re-release of Satan 'for a time' after all has been said and done except the final judgement. That particular thing has always been a sticking point of the dispensationalist interpretation for me. It doesn't make logical sense. At least not to me.
27 Aug 23, disappointed you failed to offer any content on preteristic views.
Thanks for this helpful video, I just wanted to mention since you included John MacArthur at the end there that I think progressive and classic dispensationalists shouldn’t always be thought of together. What we call progressive dispensationalism today is older than the classic view of dispensationalism. Progressive dispensationalism mostly just says that Israel’s blessings aren’t fulfilled in Christ or the church but are still coming in the future millennial kingdom, and they let that presupposition dictate their eschatology. Not saying that they are right, but it is far easier to find historic adherents to that position than to dispensationalism as a hermeneutic, which has no historical basis and is one of its biggest problems. But you could even say JC Ryle was a progressive dispensationalist in today’s terms because he held to a distinction between Israel and the church and a pre trib rapture. And JC was an Anglican bishop of Liverpool, he was no part of the Plymouth Brethren. I guess what I’m saying is this, John MacArthur gets called a dispensationalist and that’s not really the case. It takes more than believing in a pre trib rapture to be a dispy. He is almost historic premil and that’s what everyone would call him if he was a post trib guy. But anyways, thank you for your videos pastor Matt, they are awesome and edifying. God bless!
You can't teach a pretrib rapture without first indoctrinating in dispensationalism.... the very core of attempting to separate the event Paul calls "the resurrection of the dead"... 1 Cor 15:42-54 into multiple event.... now with new conjured terms "rapture" and "second coming'.... comes from attempting to separate the church from the Jews concerning the Olivet Discourse... Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke21. Jesus ends the discourse with "what I say to you, I say to all..." (see Mark's account) .... the rapture lie comes from suggesting that Jesus was only speaking to the Jews when He states that He comes after the tribulation... Matt 24:29-31. Dispensationalism is the art of eliminating the Word's of Christ as valid... for we are told that we no longer live in the dispensation of Christ... therefore His Message is not current. A dispensation is a message/gospel... to be a dispensationalist is to reject the Gospel of Christ and replace it with man's message.
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz that’s not the definition of dispensationalism, people believed in a separation of Israel and the church prior to Darby. It’s not honest to say that dispensationalism just entails a separation between the church and Israel, it’s far more than that. MacArthur is not dispensational, he shares some of their views for sure. But that’s like if I was to call him Pentecostal because he believes in the Holy Spirit, it’s just not accurate.
@@austinmclean4489 You are correct in stating that dispensationalism existed prior to Darby.... Peter addresses it in 2 Peter 3:10-18.... After Peter tells us that Jesus comes like a thief in the night when the heavens are destroyed, (thus eliminating the ideal of a rapture 7 years prior creating a countdown to the heavens destroyed)... Peter goes on to state that men twist Paul's teaching on the matter (adding a rapture event) as they do all of Scripture (dispensationalism) and then he calls them "wicked".... and tells us to not fall from our steadfastness. Paul never taught a rapture prior to tribulation.. but called the event "the resurrection of the dead"... 1 Cor 15;42-54 which is what he didn't want us ignorant about in 1 Thess 4:13-18.... the dead get their physical bodies back resurrected from the dead so that they now can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years on a physical Earth.... Paul directly states that these physical bodies do not go to heaven...vs. 50.
@@RandyRoth-mo3lz I agree with your arguments against a pre trib rapture as I lean amil, and I agree that dispensationalism at its root is antinomian, and boarders on changing the gospel for gentiles and Jews. That’s why MacArthur isn’t dispensational, that’s all I’m saying. I’m not arguing for a certain view at all, I just don’t think MacArthur should be called a dispensationalist because I think it’s a straw man.
@@austinmclean9003 Who's MacArthur and why do you suggest someone suggest something about him?
Although I hold to the 1646 Westminster Confession on most things, I do take Federalism (both Covenant and Dispensational) from the 1689 Second London Confession, so I hold, as I feel it is the most Strongly Supported by what I personally view as a Condemnation of Preterism in 2nd Timothy, the Promise of being "Kept" in Revelation Chapter 3 Verse 10, and the clear Description of a New, Perfect, World in Revelation Chapters 21 and 22, and the Confirmation of Revelation being written in 95-97 AD (so over a Quarter of a Century *after* the Destruction of Jerusalem) that is found in the Writings of Irenaeus of Lyon, I hold to Premillennial and Pre Tribulation, as did Irenaeus actually, its a lot older than Darby!
I also hold to Nero Redivivus (Caesar Nero raised from the dead by Satan as the man of Sin) , but , indeed, Eschatology is indeed, and it took me a *long* time to accept this, a Secondary issue and *not* grounds for the H Word or Disfellowship in any way shape or form, and is always going to be very Subjective while we are still in these Fleshly and Fallen Pre-Resurrection Tents.
I may say the end of times maybe the of end religion and a beginning of the heavenly fathers of ruling by not fear but by true pure love, Bible would nolonger have meaning.
The end is just beginning of true enlightenment without boarders
Okay, after this, I will no longer view Everhard’s videos because I don’t believe Reformed Presbyterian is scripturally sound.