Wow, I admire her. So courageous, smart, and honest. She’s already done an epic thing that has trapped and overwhelmed so many in her position for all those generations.
Trust me: anyone who is a thinking being has to start over from scratch at least once in their adult life--often more than once. Because false beliefs are exposed, and we all have to re-arrange our mental paradigm to conform to the truth as it is gradually revealed.
YES! People think everything is supposed to stay the same for a lifetime but everything is in flux all the time. Starting over from scratch is a good thing. And it’s not even really”scratch” for most people bc they still have income, a home, food etc. To me, starting over from scratch means you have NOTHING at all and have to build a life from that.
Gawd I empathize with her so much. Leaving a fundamentalist religion will break you down to the most raw and basic components of who you are. It's one of the most painful things you can experience mentally and emotionally. The beautiful thing is that once you rebuild and find yourself on the other side, there is no going back. Your life, your actual life can begin and it will be bigger and more beautiful than you could have ever imagined.
I feel that both of them are really sweet and want the best for each other too. In his description it was clear how he was doing his best to accurately describe what she has been going through too.
Heart wrenching. Good couple, they’ve been through so much together. I hope they find their foundation is actually intact and had nothing to do with that church.
No, actually, she's one of the most oblivious, self involved people I've ever personally witnessed! She was adamant she didn't feel any remorse for the immense pain that had been caused to him when she cheated on him, she felt no regret for her infidelity. She quite literally said she was proud of herself for betraying him because she "freed" him from the close minded, monogamous model of love. Even though he didn't WANT to be "freed", didn't ASK to be "freed", and was devastated by her betrayal. Neither his pain or desire to be committed mattered, only her beliefs were valid. She fully believed she was entitled to betray him and destroy his life as he knew it, in order to "enlighten" him, she gave herself that right. She was annoyed he wasn't grateful to her for the gift she had given him....the gift of having an affair behind his back. She's had some truly strong narcissistic traits and was REALLY hard to watch!
I just finished their season and honestly I hope they both moved on. Her especially had so much trauma from that church that I don't ever think she can see him as himself , rather he will always remind her of that church, and will always punish him for that. They both deserve happiness and it seems they need to do that separately.
“So much was taken from me and now I’m having to start from scratch with pieces of an old life that wasn’t authentic to me……” This sounds similar to what people must do when they’re coming out of some kind of trauma and/or addiction. You try to move forward in life, however, you’re still living the life you created while you traumatized and/or addicted.
As an ex Jehovah's Witness this is so accurate. Married very young . Never questioning. My husband left 1st. But it took me much longer. Now it makes me so angry to think of lost time. Honestly I think this couple have a really good chance. They are brave and honest❤
As a Protestant Christian (non-denominational/Baptist) who is now in OCIA for the Catholic Church, I wonder if ex-Jehovah's Witnesses or ex-Mormons ever consider transitioning to other denominations of the faith or do they leave the faith altogether? While we all believe in Jesus, certain denominations portray Christianity in different ways and teach different doctrines, that in my opinion, may even be harmful to those who believe it, since it affects their worldview and their view of God and the church, and could be based on a twisted interpretation of scripture that doesn't align with the truth of the Gospel. It's cool to study Church history to see what the early-century Christians believed before all of these different denominations were created. I also believe it's what led me (along with many other factors) to the Catholic Church. God Bless ❤.
@@MrElkra If part of your difference in beliefs is you supporting a church that sexually assaulted your wife and told her to shut up about it, uh... yea
It’s tricky since, like they mention, both of their families have been generationally Mormon, which makes me think their social circle is probably all Mormon. And like he says, he wants to make a decision because he wants to, not just for her. He probably wants to be genuine, form his own thoughts, and imagine what leaving the religion would look like for him. That’s much more rational than doing something to do it.
She knows what she wants and what she wants is a divorce. I can tell in the way she expresses herself. Shes frustrated about it bc she knows it’s the wrong thing to do. To leave someone who loves you so much they changed their life to see your point of view. She knows that what she has here is real love but she herself is getting in the way. She’ll choose authenticity in the end bc I can tell she thinks it’s what will make her happy. Boy is she mistaken. I once fell down that rabbit hole too
This one was tough to watch. Starting from scratch at any age feels like a burden and yet all ages have to come to terms with their own set of beliefs.
"The more you yell at me, the less I'm going to want to do it." I hope he understands now how deeply misogynistic and patriarchal that attitude is, how many women have been abused, tortured, and died because of that attitude from their male partners, family, and associates.
I don't know if "ME" ever stops. But if the development of "ME" was stunted in some way, halted, repressed, or shut off, "ME" will need a chance to bloom before it can transform to "WE".
Not a narcissist, she's been traumatized and is trying to regain agency after feeling betrayed by him for siding with the church knowing she was victimized by the church. Assuming she owes him loyalty when her life has been upended is missing the point of their story.
Mans acknowledged the cult like behavior and beliefs but rationalized it away?🤔... Then continued to go even though he knew it was wrong and hurting his partner?🤔... no wonder she cheated with the one person that was off limits
Wow, I admire her. So courageous, smart, and honest. She’s already done an epic thing that has trapped and overwhelmed so many in her position for all those generations.
She's a terrible partner. She absorbed the victim mindset and now can't take any responsibility for any of her crap.
Trust me: anyone who is a thinking being has to start over from scratch at least once in their adult life--often more than once. Because false beliefs are exposed, and we all have to re-arrange our mental paradigm to conform to the truth as it is gradually revealed.
This is such a brilliant comment. Thank you, wise person.
Yes!
YES! People think everything is supposed to stay the same for a lifetime but everything is in flux all the time.
Starting over from scratch is a good thing. And it’s not even really”scratch” for most people bc they still have income, a home, food etc. To me, starting over from scratch means you have NOTHING at all and have to build a life from that.
Gawd I empathize with her so much. Leaving a fundamentalist religion will break you down to the most raw and basic components of who you are. It's one of the most painful things you can experience mentally and emotionally.
The beautiful thing is that once you rebuild and find yourself on the other side, there is no going back. Your life, your actual life can begin and it will be bigger and more beautiful than you could have ever imagined.
I feel that both of them are really sweet and want the best for each other too. In his description it was clear how he was doing his best to accurately describe what she has been going through too.
Heart wrenching. Good couple, they’ve been through so much together. I hope they find their foundation is actually intact and had nothing to do with that church.
They have a lot of awareness, which seems like a solid foundation. 🙏🏼
No, actually, she's one of the most oblivious, self involved people I've ever personally witnessed!
She was adamant she didn't feel any remorse for the immense pain that had been caused to him when she cheated on him, she felt no regret for her infidelity. She quite literally said she was proud of herself for betraying him because she "freed" him from the close minded, monogamous model of love. Even though he didn't WANT to be "freed", didn't ASK to be "freed", and was devastated by her betrayal. Neither his pain or desire to be committed mattered, only her beliefs were valid.
She fully believed she was entitled to betray him and destroy his life as he knew it, in order to "enlighten" him, she gave herself that right. She was annoyed he wasn't grateful to her for the gift she had given him....the gift of having an affair behind his back. She's had some truly strong narcissistic traits and was REALLY hard to watch!
@@lblincoe2094I did not watch the episode, just this clip
I felt that. Same as leaving a narc family. Cult like mentality
I just finished their season and honestly I hope they both moved on. Her especially had so much trauma from that church that I don't ever think she can see him as himself , rather he will always remind her of that church, and will always punish him for that. They both deserve happiness and it seems they need to do that separately.
Oh no, I totally understand.
Agreed. They both need a fresh start.
my heart feels so so tender watching this.
My heart ❤️ wow! This is deep. Humans are profound.. when we have a safe space to explore our own mind, heart, soul.
“So much was taken from me and now I’m having to start from scratch with pieces of an old life that wasn’t authentic to me……”
This sounds similar to what people must do when they’re coming out of some kind of trauma and/or addiction. You try to move forward in life, however, you’re still living the life you created while you traumatized and/or addicted.
Good people fighting got their relationship and finding out how they are
As an ex Jehovah's Witness this is so accurate. Married very young . Never questioning. My husband left 1st. But it took me much longer. Now it makes me so angry to think of lost time.
Honestly I think this couple have a really good chance. They are brave and honest❤
As a Protestant Christian (non-denominational/Baptist) who is now in OCIA for the Catholic Church, I wonder if ex-Jehovah's Witnesses or ex-Mormons ever consider transitioning to other denominations of the faith or do they leave the faith altogether? While we all believe in Jesus, certain denominations portray Christianity in different ways and teach different doctrines, that in my opinion, may even be harmful to those who believe it, since it affects their worldview and their view of God and the church, and could be based on a twisted interpretation of scripture that doesn't align with the truth of the Gospel.
It's cool to study Church history to see what the early-century Christians believed before all of these different denominations were created. I also believe it's what led me (along with many other factors) to the Catholic Church. God Bless ❤.
Aww, they're going to be okay. They just have to grieve through this trauma together, but the problem doesn't seem to be with each other.
She had an affair, he left her.
I got so excited thinking this clip meant NEW season! Will there be another?
comes out tonight!
@@madisonezell8721 wonderful! Thank you for heads up. Any idea on time?
Wow, that one was deep. ❤
They can work through this.
She had an affair, they’re now divorced.
Went to college, got radicalized as a feminist, comes out and dismantles her life and marriage. Shocking.
He was so dismissive of the fact he had betrayed her by staying in the cult long after it had severely abused her. I understood the frustration.
So if they have different opinions on beliefs the man must drop his beliefs because his wife said???
@@MrElkra If part of your difference in beliefs is you supporting a church that sexually assaulted your wife and told her to shut up about it, uh... yea
It’s tricky since, like they mention, both of their families have been generationally Mormon, which makes me think their social circle is probably all Mormon. And like he says, he wants to make a decision because he wants to, not just for her. He probably wants to be genuine, form his own thoughts, and imagine what leaving the religion would look like for him. That’s much more rational than doing something to do it.
She knows what she wants and what she wants is a divorce. I can tell in the way she expresses herself. Shes frustrated about it bc she knows it’s the wrong thing to do. To leave someone who loves you so much they changed their life to see your point of view. She knows that what she has here is real love but she herself is getting in the way. She’ll choose authenticity in the end bc I can tell she thinks it’s what will make her happy. Boy is she mistaken. I once fell down that rabbit hole too
I don't think do. He gave up that cult for her. He's down to make it work ad she licks her wounde.
This one was tough to watch. Starting from scratch at any age feels like a burden and yet all ages have to come to terms with their own set of beliefs.
"The more you yell at me, the less I'm going to want to do it." I hope he understands now how deeply misogynistic and patriarchal that attitude is, how many women have been abused, tortured, and died because of that attitude from their male partners, family, and associates.
Dude is in denial that HE is one of those “old pieces”
When does "ME" stop. Maybe never
I don't know if "ME" ever stops. But if the development of "ME" was stunted in some way, halted, repressed, or shut off, "ME" will need a chance to bloom before it can transform to "WE".
When knuckles
34 good god
No.
Young LDS couples have high divorce rate.
So do feminists.
Davis Jason Smith Helen Lee Daniel
34?!
I thought she was 45…
@@smarimer1 She sounds really smart and looks very elegant, and her clothes (beige turtleneck) look very "serious", this is why
Y’all really don’t know what women look like, do you?
@@Getagriponthisnewhandle I’m 32 and black. Diff standard. But objectively she looks much older than 34, her obvious stress has taken a toll.
@@MABM-o7p🎯
Cool she left a bad church but is a narcissist she cheated on him with the only person he said was off limits
Not a narcissist, she's been traumatized and is trying to regain agency after feeling betrayed by him for siding with the church knowing she was victimized by the church. Assuming she owes him loyalty when her life has been upended is missing the point of their story.
Mans acknowledged the cult like behavior and beliefs but rationalized it away?🤔... Then continued to go even though he knew it was wrong and hurting his partner?🤔... no wonder she cheated with the one person that was off limits
Bad acting sorry
Her looks are declining fast