Thank you Jordan for sharing the snare sample. My husband and I watch you videos all the time. My husband is my producer and engineer and you are his go to guide.
I have no issue with autotune but I've learned that sometimes you want things not to be tuned precisely. The example you showed for instance, I actually preferred the untuned version, it vibed better with the track style in my opinion. Not trying to knock it, I think it's an essential tool that has its place in all styles of music just wanted to point out that having things nicely in tune can take away from the overall feel.
I love these videos because bro doesn't bullshit around in the beginning (and generally) and doesn't try to sell me 20 courses in the intro making it 20 minutes song. No Jordan just goes straight to the point!
Recently got the Brainworx True Peak Limiter, but up until last week everything I mastered had the FG-X on it. Love those Detail and Dynamic Perception controls. Still a game changer for drum busses.
It depends how heavy you want to get with metal. Nolly is a great all-rounder, and definitely a good choice if you want to only get one amp plugin to cover almost all bases. Mixwave Mike Stringer is a little heavier, more modern and brighter than the darker Nolly, if that's more your thing. Could work better with down-tuned or higher gain styles. But if you just want searing or crushingly heavy tones, I'd recommend Fortin Nameless X, though it's only one amp, it's a hell of an amp. Or Otto 11 11 11 is absolutely brutal, and you can get it half price for about 60. The Brainworx ENGL Savage 120 is a good affordable choice, for around 25, on sale.
That BSA Clipper has become my go to clipper. Absolutely love it and the best I've used. It's on every drum track I do now and sometimes on my master as well. Worth every penny.
Not a fan of auto tune, but i use melodyne sometimes, but vocalign is a life saver! Also it tunes really well too! In the same amount of time. I rarely tune the lead comp’d track and will tune the doubles to it, so having vocalign is an incredible time saver. I will also use it for harmonies and other stuff. Still melodyne helps getting that lead tighter when i need it (if they sing a really bad note). The sansamp is insanely old, crazy that people still use it (it does sound alright still). I use the neural DSP stuff for bass. Also i don’t use waves often because they are awful with the way they do licensing and the sound is only okay. Plugin alliance has a lot better hardware emulations.
except fg-x2 , i am using all of them exactly. but , you are doing everytime better delay and reverb on vocals, with this stereo effect , i never reached . thanks jordan for your videos bud
Tuning works really well when you push a vocalist hard enough to get a really powerful performance but due to the intensity unfortunately that performance is a little pitchy. You could get a better performance in terms of intonation however it might lack the energy. Let's face it in the modern time people notice small tuning issues in music now because they're all used to hearing note perfect performances. If you don't tune your productions will sound wack.
Hey man thanks for this video, love ur work to bits. Would love to see a video on how u actually make mix run through videos, like I don’t see any headphones so how u don’t pick up the audio in ur mic etc. thanks 🙏🏻
fab pro L2 is still the g.o.a.t. I always go back to it when trying other limiters or clippers. The SSL limiter is on sale right now too if you're interested.
Nice list! It seems that Escalator is a similar plugin to Sound Goodizer, found in FL Studio! Nice! (i use that, Ableton and Reaper and all three are great, no DAW racism here)
I recently started trying to use as many stock Cubase plugins as possible with my old faithful Cubase 6, and guess what? My mixes started getting better, punchier, more clarity and less chance of crashing the system. Third party plugins are not worth the money, I have Universal Audio plugs but have practically stopped using them as well as many others. Everything I need was always there in Cubase, even amp sims that do the job. Don't waste your money. AND, many of my go-to none Cubase plugs are found for FREE on the interweb.
At the end of the day plug-ins are tools and it’s how you use them. Most top engineers use third party plugins and it’s like Jordan said with the SSL. That plug-in specifically just makes his workflow easier cause it’s got several features he would use separately in one plug-in
Jordan! Thanks a lot for all the cool stuff you teach here! Though I have one question: What is the Sundown-Snare-Collection and where can I get it? All the best! Bernd
Awesome vid, per usual! Quick question w/ Vocalign: if you've got a big chorus 3 or 4 harmony parts w/ 8 tracks for each harmony, would you recommend using it to get everything as tight as possible or use it with more of a "loose double" approach? Concerned about possibly loosing some the size/depth from all the takes, but want maximum impact as well. Thanks and keep up the great work!
My approach is typically to align the timing 100% with harmonies. Since they’re different notes than the melody it stays big. With doubles, or multiple layers of the same note, yeah you need to have something looser to maintain the size. For me I usually still align it hard, but I’ll tune the doubles looser to keep some contrast. I find it very distracting and amateur sounding when you can hear words slightly misaligned
Thanks Jordan nice video and presentation! I'm a bit confused with vocalign, never understood the purpose of aligning multiple in vocals. I mean...personally i love this delay effect and the depth that non aligned vocals have. When they are aligned they just sound kinda "boring".
Well with harmonies then, it would be useful The purpose and effect of doubling a vocal though is adding power and size. Which has its quirks and appeal. Similar to how you would use a reverb
Are you using the latest version of Pro tools, Jordan? Just curious how you thought navigating, being a subscriber is since they went to subscription only.
Thanks for the helpful material. I have a question. Where you can buy good samples for a rock metal trigger. Such as you have on the video JV Snare, Sundown snare collection and like?
I could not make Vocalign work for me on lead or rhythm guitars, it would actually make the alignment worse. I was demoing the free version, maybe I was missing something.
how'd you get vocalign to work on protools? i could only get it for vst3 and my protools only supports aax great video btw, been using all these plugins for a while too! i like to have the sans amp and the darkglass ultra on the same bass track it works pretty well or the darkglass on toms can do magic too
@josuastangl7140 it's worth it. It comes blur stripe and black 1176. I mostly use the blue stripe cla 76 although i Still use the bf 76. Depends on what I'm going for.
@@nelnich4445 I'm debating between the Waves or the UAD. I know the Waves is the sound of hit records, that everyone used for decades now. But for $10 more the UAD doesn't have the update plan thing and I have it forever...
The un-autotuned vesion sounded way better. I’m autotune-neutral, I think it’s great in some situations, but in the example you used the first vocal had that classic emo sound until you threw autotune on it and it turned into some unrealistic radio buzz 😅
nice vid, but don't want to be an a hole but ;) but the 500 most streamed songs on Spotify is "old" music and none of them is autotuned so to say that's the norm , I don't know :) but to make an "effect" on the Vox its cool.
What are the most streamed songs on spotify? The number 1 most streamed song is Blinding Lights, and that's new. Number 2 is Ed Sheeran, so definitely tuned as well. What are the old songs you're talking about? Bohemian Rhapsody? Not saying you're wrong, I don't know if the other 498 songs are "old" or not. Just think you shouldn't claim something like that without backing it up with evidence. Oh, and just my personal opinion, but I think autotune as an effect (like Cher, or many rappers these days) sounds absolutely horrific 😋
@@mrcoatsworth429When you google shit, take your time ;) For an example Bob Dylan's song "like a rolling stone" is streamed 291 493 671 times on Spotify right now. 291 Billion times !?!? ,Is that evidence enough for you ? Do you really wants me to go 499 ? I am of course not talking about this year or this month, I am talking about the most streamed songs overall. why is that ? why do we "old" people still listening to our favorit music ? And it is something wrong with producers these days if they autotune a beautiful voice like Ed Sheridan and he can deliver his songs live. so to say its the norm is to say "everything got to sound the same" and as a consumer of music for over 45 years, don't make me curious on new music except Metal :)
Edit: reply to first post (i don´t care about streaming numbers): I thought so the same. Jordan is right on many things, but for Fs sake these pitched main vocals are so random. The unprocessed example was interesting, not 100% pitch perfect, but caught attention immediately. Modern music is so boring in a lot of terms, unfortunately. Greetz
@@ThompaThelin how about I take my time googling shit and you take your time reading a single number? 291,493,671 is 291 million. With an m. Blinding Lights has over 3 billion streams on spotify. That is over 3,000,000,000. That's more than 10 times as many as the Bob Dylan song. You know, I just looked up the top 100 most streamed songs on spotify (I'm sure you'll be pleased to learn that I took my time). 2 songs from the 70s, NO song from the 80s, 2 songs from the 90s, 4 songs from the 2000s. The rest, which is 92 out of 100 songs, is from 2011 or later. Man, it's weird to me how aggressive you're getting. I have absolutely nothing against old music. Why would you think I did? My favorite band is almost 50 years old, dude. No, what I don't like isn't old music, it's misinformation. What you stated is just plain wrong. My opinion really doesn't matter. You're wrong.
I don't like the autotune effect of quantizing vocals. If they can't do it live, then don't present it as so. It's like when women use filters, you think they are beautiful then you see them live, and it's like you lied to me
Why not? There aren't that many singers out there that can sing perfectly in tune. I hate the sound of auto-tune in the T-Pain style but when its used subtly I see its value.
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Thank you Jordan for sharing the snare sample. My husband and I watch you videos all the time. My husband is my producer and engineer and you are his go to guide.
I used the nolly as a preamp. Ran it through a power and and mic'd a cab. Really good results with it
I have no issue with autotune but I've learned that sometimes you want things not to be tuned precisely. The example you showed for instance, I actually preferred the untuned version, it vibed better with the track style in my opinion. Not trying to knock it, I think it's an essential tool that has its place in all styles of music just wanted to point out that having things nicely in tune can take away from the overall feel.
refernce
full mix 9:55
bass n drums 8:49
vox 7:00
heavy mix 5:15
bass n drums 4:32
drums 0:58
FYI: SoftAmp PSA is a decent free SansAmp sim that also includes a noise gate, compressor and rudimentary speaker emulation.
It's awesome and my go-to. But it's only for Windows. Just as a warning for the Mac people haha
I love these videos because bro doesn't bullshit around in the beginning (and generally) and doesn't try to sell me 20 courses in the intro making it 20 minutes song. No Jordan just goes straight to the point!
i love hard tuning background vocals while only lightly tuning the main vocal.
Recently got the Brainworx True Peak Limiter, but up until last week everything I mastered had the FG-X on it. Love those Detail and Dynamic Perception controls. Still a game changer for drum busses.
Thank you very much for sharing this video. These plugins are absolutely phenomenal, your channel is very helpful
It depends how heavy you want to get with metal. Nolly is a great all-rounder, and definitely a good choice if you want to only get one amp plugin to cover almost all bases. Mixwave Mike Stringer is a little heavier, more modern and brighter than the darker Nolly, if that's more your thing. Could work better with down-tuned or higher gain styles. But if you just want searing or crushingly heavy tones, I'd recommend Fortin Nameless X, though it's only one amp, it's a hell of an amp. Or Otto 11 11 11 is absolutely brutal, and you can get it half price for about 60. The Brainworx ENGL Savage 120 is a good affordable choice, for around 25, on sale.
That BSA Clipper has become my go to clipper. Absolutely love it and the best I've used. It's on every drum track I do now and sometimes on my master as well. Worth every penny.
Excellent! Just joined the mailing list, thanks for the sample, I'm still learning how to use slate to just augment, seems to be simple enough.
Great list I have alot of these or the equivalent ones and they get used on most of my mixes, and I'm getting consistent results
Not a fan of auto tune, but i use melodyne sometimes, but vocalign is a life saver! Also it tunes really well too! In the same amount of time. I rarely tune the lead comp’d track and will tune the doubles to it, so having vocalign is an incredible time saver. I will also use it for harmonies and other stuff. Still melodyne helps getting that lead tighter when i need it (if they sing a really bad note). The sansamp is insanely old, crazy that people still use it (it does sound alright still). I use the neural DSP stuff for bass.
Also i don’t use waves often because they are awful with the way they do licensing and the sound is only okay. Plugin alliance has a lot better hardware emulations.
Great list mate. Please could you make a video explaining what you do about breaths? When compressing heavily then the breaths come out so much!
except fg-x2 , i am using all of them exactly. but , you are doing everytime better delay and reverb on vocals, with this stereo effect , i never reached .
thanks jordan for your videos bud
So insightful! Cheers and thank you for the great content
Trigger 2 my favorite 🎸💥💥💥
Nice one Jordan.
Tuning works really well when you push a vocalist hard enough to get a really powerful performance but due to the intensity unfortunately that performance is a little pitchy.
You could get a better performance in terms of intonation however it might lack the energy.
Let's face it in the modern time people notice small tuning issues in music now because they're all used to hearing note perfect performances. If you don't tune your productions will sound wack.
If you don't use Protools, Nembrini make a great Sansamp plugin
Thanks for the video, nice plugins!
Hey man thanks for this video, love ur work to bits. Would love to see a video on how u actually make mix run through videos, like I don’t see any headphones so how u don’t pick up the audio in ur mic etc. thanks 🙏🏻
Jordan's set up is aesthetic af now. Luv eet.
fab pro L2 is still the g.o.a.t. I always go back to it when trying other limiters or clippers. The SSL limiter is on sale right now too if you're interested.
Nice list!
It seems that Escalator is a similar plugin to Sound Goodizer, found in FL Studio! Nice! (i use that, Ableton and Reaper and all three are great, no DAW racism here)
Killer video 🔥🔥
Can I use _Clipper_ on individual tracks? Or is it better to use it just for the drums bus and/or mix bus?
Hey Jordan, are there any songs on Spotify you’ve mixed that we can listen to?
open.spotify.com/playlist/6I7P7AIIWRB6ocsjQjGPKX?si=62e3cdf4ce15460d
I recently started trying to use as many stock Cubase plugins as possible with my old faithful Cubase 6, and guess what? My mixes started getting better, punchier, more clarity and less chance of crashing the system. Third party plugins are not worth the money, I have Universal Audio plugs but have practically stopped using them as well as many others. Everything I need was always there in Cubase, even amp sims that do the job. Don't waste your money. AND, many of my go-to none Cubase plugs are found for FREE on the interweb.
At the end of the day plug-ins are tools and it’s how you use them. Most top engineers use third party plugins and it’s like Jordan said with the SSL. That plug-in specifically just makes his workflow easier cause it’s got several features he would use separately in one plug-in
Jordan! Thanks a lot for all the cool stuff you teach here! Though I have one question: What is the Sundown-Snare-Collection and where can I get it? All the best! Bernd
Awesome vid, per usual! Quick question w/ Vocalign: if you've got a big chorus 3 or 4 harmony parts w/ 8 tracks for each harmony, would you recommend using it to get everything as tight as possible or use it with more of a "loose double" approach? Concerned about possibly loosing some the size/depth from all the takes, but want maximum impact as well. Thanks and keep up the great work!
My approach is typically to align the timing 100% with harmonies. Since they’re different notes than the melody it stays big. With doubles, or multiple layers of the same note, yeah you need to have something looser to maintain the size. For me I usually still align it hard, but I’ll tune the doubles looser to keep some contrast. I find it very distracting and amateur sounding when you can hear words slightly misaligned
@@hardcoremusicstudio thanks so much!
What surprised me the most was seeing you scoop the mids on the guitar amp! Do you compensate that with EQ?
Melodyne 5 can align vocals well too. Handles sibilants also... less need for de-essing.
It takes forever to align the vocals with Melodyne...
it is worth whenever watching your contents
I can't tell y'all how much my quality of life improved with Vocalign and Melodyne.
Thanks Jordan nice video and presentation!
I'm a bit confused with vocalign, never understood the purpose of aligning multiple in vocals.
I mean...personally i love this delay effect and the depth that non aligned vocals have. When they are aligned they just sound kinda "boring".
Well with harmonies then, it would be useful
The purpose and effect of doubling a vocal though is adding power and size. Which has its quirks and appeal. Similar to how you would use a reverb
With VocAlign you can precisely choose how tight or loosely the doubles/harmonies are to the main line
Regarding the Clipper, is there a difference between saturation and clipping?
nembrini audio has a pro tools sansamp clone called psa
Are you using the latest version of Pro tools, Jordan? Just curious how you thought navigating, being a subscriber is since they went to subscription only.
Do you use Heat still? Any recommendations for a substitute for those not on Pro Tools?
The problem with autotune is not the tool it is that many people who use it don’t know how to use it well
Hey Jordan, how does the Nembrini PSA compare to the PT Sansamp in your mind?
Thank you.🤗
Which song from which band was this??
Thanks for the helpful material. I have a question. Where you can buy good samples for a rock metal trigger. Such as you have on the video JV Snare, Sundown snare collection and like?
I don't sell those individually, but I include them in my full training program.
hi! is that enhance tool in low control is resonance eq? please reply thank you
I could not make Vocalign work for me on lead or rhythm guitars, it would actually make the alignment worse. I was demoing the free version, maybe I was missing something.
Hi Jordan I'm not getting the snare sample through is there an issue your end? Thanks in advance
how'd you get vocalign to work on protools? i could only get it for vst3 and my protools only supports aax
great video btw, been using all these plugins for a while too! i like to have the sans amp and the darkglass ultra on the same bass track it works pretty well
or the darkglass on toms can do magic too
Weird, Vocalign definitely works with PT and always has AFAIK.
@@hardcoremusicstudio whack
guess i'll take a look again too see what the issue is
maybe it's a pc thing?
turns out i just didn't find it, that'll save me some time and effort now thanks haha
Any chance to get nolly preset from this video :) ?
With the bsa clipper. How much do u clip? I’ve always struggled with that.
What amp do you have for your CLA 10s? (They're not active, right?)
Yamaha P2500S, certainly not active speakers
I have the active version actually
@@hardcoremusicstudio ah i see, didnt know CLA10 are active
Me neither Mario! I'm thinking of switching between CLA10 and 8030c now with this info!
Avantone makes both a passive and an active version of the CLA-10
With protools you have the BF76. Is the CLA 76 that much better than BF 86?
Oh yeah
@Hardcore Music Studio oh no haha I have bf76 on everything
Sounds like I have to invest that $29 haha
@josuastangl7140 it's worth it. It comes blur stripe and black 1176. I mostly use the blue stripe cla 76 although i Still use the bf 76. Depends on what I'm going for.
@@nelnich4445 I'm debating between the Waves or the UAD.
I know the Waves is the sound of hit records, that everyone used for decades now.
But for $10 more the UAD doesn't have the update plan thing and I have it forever...
do you have a drum sample pack to buy/download? :)
No, but I include all of my drum samples in my full training program.
Whats the name of the song for the reference mix?
What is the song played at 5:14?
Is that kingdoms?
The un-autotuned vesion sounded way better. I’m autotune-neutral, I think it’s great in some situations, but in the example you used the first vocal had that classic emo sound until you threw autotune on it and it turned into some unrealistic radio buzz 😅
Did anybody else not hear any difference at all with the vocalign plugin?
nice vid, but don't want to be an a hole but ;) but the 500 most streamed songs on Spotify is "old" music and none of them is autotuned so to say that's the norm , I don't know :) but to make an "effect" on the Vox its cool.
What are the most streamed songs on spotify? The number 1 most streamed song is Blinding Lights, and that's new. Number 2 is Ed Sheeran, so definitely tuned as well.
What are the old songs you're talking about? Bohemian Rhapsody? Not saying you're wrong, I don't know if the other 498 songs are "old" or not. Just think you shouldn't claim something like that without backing it up with evidence.
Oh, and just my personal opinion, but I think autotune as an effect (like Cher, or many rappers these days) sounds absolutely horrific 😋
@@mrcoatsworth429When you google shit, take your time ;) For an example Bob Dylan's song "like a rolling stone" is streamed 291 493 671 times on Spotify right now. 291 Billion times !?!? ,Is that evidence enough for you ? Do you really wants me to go 499 ? I am of course not talking about this year or this month, I am talking about the most streamed songs overall. why is that ? why do we "old" people still listening to our favorit music ? And it is something wrong with producers these days if they autotune a beautiful voice like Ed Sheridan and he can deliver his songs live. so to say its the norm is to say "everything got to sound the same" and as a consumer of music for over 45 years, don't make me curious on new music except Metal :)
Edit: reply to first post (i don´t care about streaming numbers): I thought so the same. Jordan is right on many things, but for Fs sake these pitched main vocals are so random. The unprocessed example was interesting, not 100% pitch perfect, but caught attention immediately. Modern music is so boring in a lot of terms, unfortunately. Greetz
@@ThompaThelin how about I take my time googling shit and you take your time reading a single number? 291,493,671 is 291 million. With an m. Blinding Lights has over 3 billion streams on spotify. That is over 3,000,000,000. That's more than 10 times as many as the Bob Dylan song.
You know, I just looked up the top 100 most streamed songs on spotify (I'm sure you'll be pleased to learn that I took my time). 2 songs from the 70s, NO song from the 80s, 2 songs from the 90s, 4 songs from the 2000s. The rest, which is 92 out of 100 songs, is from 2011 or later.
Man, it's weird to me how aggressive you're getting. I have absolutely nothing against old music. Why would you think I did? My favorite band is almost 50 years old, dude. No, what I don't like isn't old music, it's misinformation. What you stated is just plain wrong. My opinion really doesn't matter. You're wrong.
@@mrcoatsworth429 ha ha ha ha ha !!! that made my day, thx
I don't like the autotune effect of quantizing vocals. If they can't do it live, then don't present it as so. It's like when women use filters, you think they are beautiful then you see them live, and it's like you lied to me
It's ok! If you love ur plugin. It's like loving ur own children.
You look like if Morrissey and Henry Rollins had a baby that played in Fugazi
Saturn 2. Duh.
Auto tune needs to get better at maintaining the inflections and bends
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Man...those untuned vocals are way better. I can actually hear his emotions. The tuned vocals sound like A.I. by comparison
I agree Jordan could have tuned them a little bit less... but a touch for me was needed for some notes
autotune?????? we talking about metal. not post hardcore
Auto-tune shouldn't be "the norm"
But it is isn’t it?
Yeah, and ?
Why not? There aren't that many singers out there that can sing perfectly in tune. I hate the sound of auto-tune in the T-Pain style but when its used subtly I see its value.
@@pianoatthirty I never said that. Read again.
@@cameronpatrick7943 back in the days auto tune didn't exist but singers were able to make great music
I have to agree with you on these choices.. This is the core of my #ARSENAL @Frequencyrecording