Jeff Stelling & Ally McCoist INSIST Man City's 115 Charges DON'T Tarnish The Team & Players! 👏🏆

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  • @BobbyALAAT
    @BobbyALAAT 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    I own a mansion in the UK, have two holiday homes in Spain, have a Ferrari and two Lamborghini's and I take my family of 23 to the Maldives at least 4 times a year ..... however robbing a bank 3 years ago shouldn't tarnish what I have right now... 🤓

    • @YamboEmmanuel
      @YamboEmmanuel 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @kevins9417
      @kevins9417 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I work for Interpol....cheers

    • @BobbyALAAT
      @BobbyALAAT 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kevins9417 F@CK!!🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @NATAR160
      @NATAR160 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You were accused of robbing a bank therefore u actually robbed a bank. You bank robber!!!

  • @Froggyk123
    @Froggyk123 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +194

    Incredible how the media just sweep this under the carpet

    • @Photosoflife
      @Photosoflife 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @Froggyk123
      They don’t want to get caught up in libel lawsuits themselves.

    • @Jacob56-xl4xo
      @Jacob56-xl4xo 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      UAE will sue whole UK if they dont

    • @Fmfcg
      @Fmfcg 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@Photosoflife they've definitely had a cease and desist letter

    • @dilly9537
      @dilly9537 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      They're just towing the line. The owners of Man City could buy Talk Sport tomorrow if they wanted to. Best to just ignore the cheating and pretend City did it all on merit. 😂

    • @Dan-rc1sl
      @Dan-rc1sl 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Absolute joke.

  • @lfcspectre4335
    @lfcspectre4335 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    I can think about 115 reasons why public would have different opinion than mainstream media about cheats.

  • @eddiejohnson2201
    @eddiejohnson2201 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    115 charges definitely tarnishes everything.

    • @nkululekonkush3403
      @nkululekonkush3403 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's not the charges that plays football but it's the players...

    • @ftmws293
      @ftmws293 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@nkululekonkush3403Man city wouldn’t have been able to get those players if they didn’t commit the alleged charges.

    • @mrfro35
      @mrfro35 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only if proven

    • @toddg_0.0_
      @toddg_0.0_ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ftmws293 so how does that affect Onana not being able to stop Phil Foden's shot?? How does that affect the fact that Arteta lost to Villa in a title race??? The Board isn't the Player's problem

  • @user-md9sp5nc2c
    @user-md9sp5nc2c 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    this is the memo the media is getting to push out 😂 “tell them city are good and we’re not a corrupt to the core sport” 😂

    • @sf5912
      @sf5912 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly... It damages everything and everyone involved including the media. Lost revenue for all! People obviously still watch the Tour de France but I bet it seriously dented it's growth after Lance...

    • @toddg_0.0_
      @toddg_0.0_ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You must be allergic to facts😂😂

  • @user-ne3sy9gj5p
    @user-ne3sy9gj5p 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +130

    It absolutely tarnishes the achievements. If the allegations are proved. It would mean the whole foundations are built on a false premise.

    • @DC-zi6se
      @DC-zi6se 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      The thing is it most likely wouldn't and City are the greatest team in English football history.

    • @nhlakaniphomkhize108
      @nhlakaniphomkhize108 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Cry a whole river buddy

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @DC they have no respect or get no credit now never mind whennthey get caught

    • @Jomgg
      @Jomgg 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Are Man City using robots play football ? In fact they’ve spent less in the last 5 years compared to a few of these top sides .stay mad !

    • @robzombie5928
      @robzombie5928 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They were already guilty when Uefa went after them but by there own rules they couldn't go back that far in time. They were guilty of other charges as well and paid a fine.

  • @Euclides287
    @Euclides287 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Man City are the *Lance Armstrong* of the Premier League.

    • @makcity7850
      @makcity7850 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Man City are the first team to set foot on the moon?

    • @jinlondzale4191
      @jinlondzale4191 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lance Armstrong don’t have Oil Money 😊

    • @ashwilliams4959
      @ashwilliams4959 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@makcity7850 that was Neil you absolute tool 😂

    • @richardj2216
      @richardj2216 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lance Armstrong could start at Centre Back for United!!

    • @ashwilliams4959
      @ashwilliams4959 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @jinlondzale4191 na but he was as juiced up as city

  • @paulhancock
    @paulhancock 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    So doping of any kind doesn't tarnish a legacy? I'm by no means a hater, they've built something incredible... But I don't care if it's Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Jon Jones, Russian athletics or Manchester City... When you cheat by, in this case, shovelling money through the back door to ensure you're playing to different rules than everyone else, that's a deep lack of sporting ethics and it HAS to tarnish the context of those achievements. The media are such Pep boot-lickers they just can't be honest.
    And before anyone starts with "nO EviDENce!!". Middle-eastern companies paying City more in commercial deals than equivalent sponsorships at Barca, Madrid, United, Liverpool, Bayern and Arsenal... With a fraction of the global fanbase, does not add up. No business logic or value on investment at all. We know what it is. But hey, if the PL are weak as p*ss and City think they can just steamroll them in court... Good luck to them, but it's a sad era for the PL.

    • @6ixTacos
      @6ixTacos 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      What is truly sad is a for a grown man to be typing two paragraphs. Focus on paying your bills.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @6 you have criticised him for sharing his opinion on social media and you have literally done the same thing 😂🤷‍♂️🫠

    • @6ixTacos
      @6ixTacos 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@docholiday-lm4vf what’s with the emoji’s? Don’t want 14 year olds talking to me .

    • @mikee7406
      @mikee7406 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@6ixTacos definitely touched a nerve with you there didn't he :). A classic case of can't attack the point then attack the individual

    • @6ixTacos
      @6ixTacos 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mikee7406 Imagine going around responding to the allegations directly. I’ll save that for you internet lawyers.

  • @docholiday-lm4vf
    @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    Of course it tarnishes it all 😂😂😂
    Its one rule for 1 and one for everyone else.
    For almost 10 years 90% of prem team were having to sell players to buy players and also having to turn down players wages demands
    Not man city tho and they were a smaller club than most and selling no one to buy and paying over yhe odds for wages.
    Fraud at the highest level is massively advantageous on the pitch

    • @blueshadow62
      @blueshadow62 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ur mum is more tarnished u jealous hater lil b🖕tch‼️🙄😆

    • @environm3ntalist549
      @environm3ntalist549 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      And presumably you will be first in the queue to apologise if they are found innocent?

    • @Surveillance-Ys
      @Surveillance-Ys 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Facts.
      These Muppets might as well say cheating is ok😂

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @envir if they are innocent why are they refusing to show it? Why drag it out for 10 years??
      One question for you. Do you actually believe man city inherited more off the field revenue than man utd and Liverpool???!

    • @DC-zi6se
      @DC-zi6se 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@docholiday-lm4vf refusing to show what?

  • @kdee8166
    @kdee8166 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    What are the rules for then?

  • @Hamza-yu1ur
    @Hamza-yu1ur 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    No one should discredit how great Pep is and this city team, but to act like this all came about naturally since 2009 is absolute ignorance. The financial cheating was necessary to for man city to grow as a club so quickly out of nothing.

    • @Jacob56-xl4xo
      @Jacob56-xl4xo 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Doesn't matter what you think we're officially the greatest of all time

    • @DC-zi6se
      @DC-zi6se 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They have to be proven guilty before jumping to conclusions.
      Pep is GOAT tbh.

    • @Redballoon99
      @Redballoon99 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      so cheating is ok? because with out cheating you can't win?

    • @PilatGomes
      @PilatGomes 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Financial fair play rules were set to protect few big clubs from competing with small clubs.

    • @pez6905
      @pez6905 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Jacob56-xl4xo utd had multiple better teams. Arsenal had multiple better. Mourinhos first Chelsea were better. 2020 lpool were better.

  • @MarkSimmonds-no7lh
    @MarkSimmonds-no7lh 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    Those players would not be here without the 115 charges

    • @Smj1303
      @Smj1303 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      And arteta wouldn’t be at arsenal 🤷‍♂️

    • @spark556
      @spark556 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Source?

    • @MarkSimmonds-no7lh
      @MarkSimmonds-no7lh 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@spark556 source premier league - who charged them

    • @jinlondzale4191
      @jinlondzale4191 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      After we pay off those premier league judges Those charges will all be gone. 😉 nothing will be tarnished.

    • @MarkSimmonds-no7lh
      @MarkSimmonds-no7lh 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jinlondzale4191 if you 'pay off' the judges, you think people will respect that? Everyone knows how corrupt you were with UEFA.

  • @Brownwall
    @Brownwall 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    As a United fan, I preferred city winning it over Arsenal. I’d of considered Arsenal winning the title legitimate.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      As a Liverpool fan i was hoping for city also.
      Says it all

    • @raymondbutler834
      @raymondbutler834 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      But aren't you not sick of Abu Dhabi FC winning the Premier League year in year out?

    • @jalberto428
      @jalberto428 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Like united weren't cheats in the 90s

    • @jalberto428
      @jalberto428 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@docholiday-lm4vf didn't Liverpool get charged in 2013 for hacking city scouting next work, cheater

    • @peopletalkuttergarbage
      @peopletalkuttergarbage 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jalberto428 I'm a Liverpool fan I would defend man united during the 90s! They purchased players through EARNED REVENUE!
      City brought in money illegally hence the 115 charges because they're cheating scum!

  • @ChatBuck
    @ChatBuck 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Everton and Forest admitted guilt, City have not and they are defending the allegations. Trying to compare Everton & Forest with City case is stupidity and only goes to prove, you have no clue

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thick much?

  • @rj6657
    @rj6657 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Most people don't accept corrupt champions no matter what media spins

    • @toddg_0.0_
      @toddg_0.0_ 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well Mancity only need to be cleared in the eyes of the law, not the people..thats it

  • @TooDarnSoulful
    @TooDarnSoulful 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Nothing to do with PEP or the players - get it right people, if and when others are found guilty then the punishment will come to the club !

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nothing to do with the current staff who wouldn't even be there if it hadn't been for 10 years of financial doping prior.... only in your tiny mind.

  • @jackjones1249
    @jackjones1249 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wouldnt expect anthing else form McCoist. He still thinks Rangers never cheated to win the titles during the EBT years.

  • @user-cs1dt2xw4c
    @user-cs1dt2xw4c 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Best lawyers of all time 115 charges ,

    • @tomben6180
      @tomben6180 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Erm no, City have the number 3 litigation lawyer in the U.K. and the Premier League have 4th and 5th best on their team.

    • @makcity7850
      @makcity7850 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      IF the evidence and proof is there, then lawyers would not be able to do anything.... tells us something.

    • @spark556
      @spark556 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Gonna cry?

  • @sf5912
    @sf5912 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    115 FC bought two teams with the money .. enabling more rest and rotation! No surprise the media try and justify it as they are in bed with this ...they had so many top players they stockpile...just ask Calvin Philips!

    • @city4ever642
      @city4ever642 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      They bought 2 teams? Foden was bought? Ortega was bought? Lewis was bought? I don’t think so. Foden is the best player in the league and he was free!! City don’t have 2 teams. Chelsea have a bigger team. United have a bigger team. They’ve also spent more money than city has. Why aren’t they winning? Arsenal spent more. Why aren’t they winning? You’re clearly salty and it’s showing

    • @therealking6202
      @therealking6202 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​@@city4ever642It doesn't matter how much they spent this year. It's the years of corruption that enabled them to build the infrastructure to land the players and the coaches required to achieve their success. They're not in a bubble. You can't just ignore the past Everything is connected. The stain that Sheik Mansour has brought to this league is shameful.

    • @city4ever642
      @city4ever642 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@therealking6202so why didn’t they get punished before? Surely there was rules back then right? Oh wait… those rules only started when city started beating the media darling clubs. Where’s the same energy when Chelsea were spending back then?? All of sudden you want to make rules about spending when these rules weren’t even implemented until recent? These media darling clubs are losing there minds cause city is the best run club in the world who don’t spent 100 million on Antony and Nunez and mudryk and Caicedo, and maguire. Don’t blame city for others teams incompetence

    • @sf5912
      @sf5912 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@therealking6202 Well said! I feel sorry for 115 FC fans as they don't seem to understand that it never pays to cheat in life... 115 FC would have got more respect if they had accepted their punishment rather than buying the titie again. It's all meaningless and will be tarnished forever.

    • @DC-zi6se
      @DC-zi6se 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@therealking6202 Sounds more like a frustrated rant than anything else 😅

  • @matthewwalker2281
    @matthewwalker2281 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There seems a massive disconnect between the main stream media and the average football fan on this subject. The main stream media gush over 4 in a row but fans of clubs who have had points deducted for doing a fraction of what Man City are accused of can't help but see these successes as tarnished.

  • @4857i
    @4857i 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    Id rather “fail” the way klopp done it than win all the trophies the way theyve done it. Klopp is the best manager ever in this country. Its a handicapped horse race not a level playing field

    • @ar-mn5me
      @ar-mn5me 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Delusional clown

    • @Hinderz
      @Hinderz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      People respect Liverpool’s achievements which is the difference

    • @abhijithmammoottil3329
      @abhijithmammoottil3329 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Klopp paid 90 millions for the handicapped horse called Nunez

    • @stnbch3025
      @stnbch3025 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You guys are idi0ts. All relevant charges are pre 2018.

    • @tomben6180
      @tomben6180 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The same Klopp who managed a club that paid City off because they hacked their database and also got sanctioned by UEFA for FFPR????

  • @Fmfcg
    @Fmfcg 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    My favourite C115y players are Ph11 F5den, R5dr11, De Br115ne and Bernardo S11v5

    • @jalberto428
      @jalberto428 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Cry more

    • @michaeldineen2571
      @michaeldineen2571 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      If you're older than 12 you need to have a long hard look at yourself

    • @city4ever642
      @city4ever642 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Pls keep crying 😢 😂😂😂

    • @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings
      @HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Fa115ke Charges 😂

    • @BigStuCorby
      @BigStuCorby 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@jalberto428Burner

  • @nhlakaniphomkhize108
    @nhlakaniphomkhize108 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool have spent roughly as much, but some of those teams are a shambles. City are winners with or without the charges. PEP would've done the same with the Liverpool or Arsenal team. Their players are just as good as City's. Its the style of play and motivation from Pep that sees City keep on winning. And ofcourse people will be jealous. Most of these idiots commenting about the charges dont even know what they are.

    • @mikee7406
      @mikee7406 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      United have spent more. Chelsea and Arsenal the last 2 years.
      Klopps Liverpool net is about 9th

    • @coryevans6093
      @coryevans6093 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Liverpool haven't spent anywhere near what city have and pep certainly wouldn't have won what Liverpool has with a net spend less than west ham.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Liverpool are you joking haha

  • @denisako6493
    @denisako6493 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Remember Lance Armstrong??

    • @juliusoba6488
      @juliusoba6488 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Are City accused of drugs cheating?

    • @DC-zi6se
      @DC-zi6se 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@juliusoba6488 actually the steroid analogy is that of money. But, I don't think it's a good one.

    • @alexanderhowcroft8779
      @alexanderhowcroft8779 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@juliusoba6488financial doping ya pleb

    • @mikee7406
      @mikee7406 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@juliusoba6488financial doping. Achieves the same thing. IE tip the marginal gains overwhelmingly in your favour.
      Although to be fair to Lance half the cyclists were at it.

    • @marshallm7339
      @marshallm7339 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The literal Haaland deal is dubious. Agent and Dad were paid more than the release fee.

  • @breach5257
    @breach5257 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    City fans still think money has nothing to do with their success 🤣🤣

    • @tomben6180
      @tomben6180 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Money does have to do with success but under Guardiola we have spent the 4th most in the Premier League.
      You need a big budget to dominate but it’s one of many reasons why teams are successful.
      It’s a bit like saying Lewis Hamilton has a fast car that’s why he’s good.
      Yeah but other people have similar cars!

    • @GarfyB
      @GarfyB 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      same as Liverpool, arsenal, united & Chelsea - who have all spent more money last 5 years - but oh wait - they haven't had any success - so obviously money isn't the key to success !!!!!

    • @user-zh2nh6fi1v
      @user-zh2nh6fi1v 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@GarfyBStop taking your comment seriously when you said Liverpool haven't had any success. And Liverpool haven't spent more than City.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @gary that’s completely irrelevant 😂😂
      Also Liverpool won everything while following the rules and came second by 1 point twice.
      In that time Liverpool couldn’t afford to pay mane and gini the salaries they wanted so had to let them go and missed both loads!!
      They also had to sell suarez, torres and courtinho…..
      If you think thats not the difference in 1 point then 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    • @makcity7850
      @makcity7850 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Every football fan admits money is needed in the Premier League era, only jealous rivals trot out that myth.

  • @Robedon
    @Robedon 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Only two ways the fake charges can end.
    1. Prem Kangaroo court backs down asks City to pay a fine and hope City don't sue for reputation damage.
    Or
    1, Prem Kangaroo court finds City Guilty.
    2, City Take prem to real UK and European courts.
    3, real courts overule Prem kangaroo court in less than five minutes for faking evidence via retrospective charges. (Eg. Grass length in 2019 broke 2014 rules, etc)
    4, City sue the Prem for the deliberate reputation damage dragging it out has been intended to cause.
    5, Bosman ruling looks tiny in comparison.
    Have fun coping...

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which "fake charges" are you talking about? I'm not aware of any "fake charges", I only know about the 115 real ones.

    • @Robedon
      @Robedon 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @FreshAlchemy it's illegal to use rules from a different year to create an offence to charge anybody with.
      Have fun with reality when City beat it.

  • @kennethnoel1257
    @kennethnoel1257 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Wtf you two on about, they couldn't have gotten the players etc if city wasn't cooking the books.

    • @environm3ntalist549
      @environm3ntalist549 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Why shouldnt some clubs be allowed to spend more than others? Imagine if that logic was applied to any other industry? Let them spend what they wish. Even then, Man Utd spent more.

    • @benmarcus587
      @benmarcus587 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Mate the main media won't speak the truth or actually understand it. We all know City have cheated.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s remarkable listening to them

    • @kennethnoel1257
      @kennethnoel1257 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@environm3ntalist549 they are, if the club made the money and not cook the books, clubs are allowed to spend more than other. That's why a club like Brighton can spend more than...let's say a crystal palace because they do good business and make a lot of money through player sales etc

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @envir that’s irrelevant 😂😂
      So you dont agree with the rules…. Most dont mate but the difference here is the other teams followed the rules which massively made them weaker while man city moved money about to pay players higher salaries and but more and more top players and ot allowed the club to get pep
      Its cheating on the higbest level of football

  • @lfcmyreligion932
    @lfcmyreligion932 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So I guess you guys think lance Armstrong hasn’t been tarnished

    • @makcity7850
      @makcity7850 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He was still the first man on the moon, I think he was dusty not tarnished.

  • @Photosoflife
    @Photosoflife 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Are the accountants, lawyers, and owners playing the matches? No. You can highly respect the incredible standards achieved by Pep
    and his players for years while also objectively asking if City did indeed break FFP regulations. Both can be true. Pep and his players have zero involvement in the 115 charges. Their job is to perform on the pitch. Which they consistently do better than anyone.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Its the project that was put in place to get pep and the players that was all based of fraud and cheating
      No one here is saying pep is not brilliant!!! He is
      But it was all build of the highest level of cheating and money fraud to get pep in and these players while all others followed the rules and were selling players to pay for other players and losing some of there best players due to not being able to pay salaries

    • @jacksparrow532
      @jacksparrow532 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Can't help someone being deliberately obtuse, can we? Those players, managers, all the top facilities, etc etc which helped City to win all these things, should not have been there in the first place. These all came from "cooking the books". Hence the 115 charges and hence majority of footballing world not respecting the achievements. Hope that clears. (Pep didn't do it, players didn't do it, blah blah blah.....these sympathies are not relevant. Nobody is blaming players or managers or staff. They are top players and top manager...no body is denying that)

    • @kennethnoel1257
      @kennethnoel1257 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No but it's the accountant and lawyers that help cook the books so he could get the players.

    • @Photosoflife
      @Photosoflife 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jacksparrow532 It’s not being deliberately obtuse. None of those accountants, lawyers, and owners are kicking a single ball or participating in a single training session. As Chelsea and United have demonstrated, you can spend all the money you want but that doesn’t mean anything. The players still have to perform and the coaches still have to maintain elite standards. It’s not that complicated. What Pep and his players have done for years is amazing. And Pep has done it wherever he has been as a coach. The man is obsessed with winning.

    • @Photosoflife
      @Photosoflife 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kennethnoel1257 And? Those accountants can cook the books all they want but spending tons of money doesn’t mean the players will be elite or perform. Just look at Chelsea and United.

  • @user-kb7qj1ye2z
    @user-kb7qj1ye2z 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    So so bitter.. The team was built and guided by Pep, the GOAT.. the foundations might be dodgy, but they built the house to stay sold.. It's hilarious to see fans that would give their right arms to be in City's shoes😂

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nope, I like that my club has integrity and its foundations are not built upon 10 years of financial fraud and financial doping.

  • @MCFCTheMadHatter
    @MCFCTheMadHatter 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Saying that LFC teams of the past wouldn’t have allowed City to play their style of football bc the rules have changed is absolutely idiotic. Would LFC players of the 70s and 80s have fouled the hell out of the current City squad? 100%. But there’s a flip side to that. How do you know City’s style, allowing them to be equally as aggressive, wouldn’t be able to still play their style?
    That logic only work if you say City would have to play vs LFC of the 70s/80s by todays standards but LFC could play by their standards, which of course is idiotic and makes no sense bc it’s a false comparison

  • @mervynpeters
    @mervynpeters 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Arsenal Liverpool Chelsea Aston Villa Spurs need to be brave and beat Man C and stop this league from becoming a 1 man team!

  • @Quattro_Joe
    @Quattro_Joe 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    They’ve financially doped the entire squad it absolutely tarnishes any achievement they get.

  • @mikem8211
    @mikem8211 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    115 FC to win it every year because no one knows any of their fan's makes sense.

  • @ashwilliams4959
    @ashwilliams4959 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ally and jeff have been paid well to act like city are legit

  • @adamboow8299
    @adamboow8299 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Wow. Is it just the media that is blinkered with this. Nobody talks about this yet all fans don't see city in the same vein. If you've got 115 charges hanging over your head.. all those trophies are tainted.

    • @ashwilliams4959
      @ashwilliams4959 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Blinkered by £££ oil money talks remember

  • @tafarab1
    @tafarab1 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Without the charges there are no “these players”

  • @TheR3alAntagon1st
    @TheR3alAntagon1st 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears

  • @nosiku8325
    @nosiku8325 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The problem these pundits focuses on now and not there foundations. Today clubs are paying over the odds because of what city did. This team needs relegating

  • @jahmallmontana5003
    @jahmallmontana5003 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not a city fan but Man U and Chelsea have been buying the best players for years. Yes they have 115 charges, how does the charges affect how the players perform on the field? There’s teams now who spent the most and players and yet none of these players are performing on the field.

  • @timw08achwhia
    @timw08achwhia 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Thats like saying Lance Armstrongs achievements weren't tarnished after he was found guilty of doping. If found guilty then everything 115 have ever won means absolutely nothing

    • @makcity7850
      @makcity7850 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      "After he was found guilty" - that statement say it all.
      Armchair supporters have already condemned them out of jealousy though, before any evidence has been shown or proven.

    • @timw08achwhia
      @timw08achwhia 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@makcity7850 anyone with half a brain cell knows city are guilty. More commercial income than united, bayern and Madrid combined apparently 🤣🤣🤣. Every city fan, player and coach knows these victories/titles are hollow, they dont mean anything to the average fan, they dont respect you, they don't admire you and nobody has any time for scumbag cheats. JUSTICE IS COMING FOR YOU IN 115 DIFFERENT WAYS 😉

  • @TheMrClutchy
    @TheMrClutchy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I’m having a great time reading all the salty comments from arsenal and Liverpool fans 😂

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The best thing about it all
      Is man city have won the treble and 4 in a row and no one cares 😂😂😂
      Not one fan respects any of it 😂

    • @TheMrClutchy
      @TheMrClutchy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@docholiday-lm4vf yeah I always go and tell random people how much I don’t care about things too mate.

    • @docholiday-lm4vf
      @docholiday-lm4vf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Why do you think Liverpool and man utd fans etc wanted city to win the league yesterday??!!
      Other fans would rather them get 4 in a row than see arsenal win 1
      Why do you think that is?? 😂😂😂

  • @anuragdandekar6064
    @anuragdandekar6064 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    They should all get 115 printed on the back of their shirts as thats the real reason for their success

  • @ahblezasellars
    @ahblezasellars 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It may not tarnish the efforts of the players on the field., But it will absolutely tarnish the rewards of those efforts.

  • @gotgirth6912
    @gotgirth6912 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    If you financially dope and spend
    2 billion pounds , I guess it'll never be tarnished with an asterix

    • @mickyarams
      @mickyarams 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You mean United? They spent more money than City and are useless 😆

    • @city4ever642
      @city4ever642 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yet Chelsea and United can’t win a lick 😂😂😂

    • @93lornamae
      @93lornamae 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Is that 2 billion pounds from when they were bought out? In 2008. If it is that's not bad tbh.

  • @gonzaloolguin5980
    @gonzaloolguin5980 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Football it's on the pitch, always. The only way you can tarnish what happens on the pitch it's with players doing illegal bets or actual drug-based doping.

  • @steve-kl9iv
    @steve-kl9iv 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sponsored themselves and pumped their own money into the club pretending it was income.

  • @ThomasSloan-kz9fu
    @ThomasSloan-kz9fu 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    while people talk about the 115 charges it will always be tarnished... brilliant manager, brilliant team and for me the best the premier league has ever seen... but you get a big asterisk next to them until they're either found innocent or guilty

  • @user-ql5hu1nl5d
    @user-ql5hu1nl5d 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes 115 allegations put a major doubt on Man City's accomplishments until they clear their name. End of story.

  • @alunedwards9800
    @alunedwards9800 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The sheer fact city will more than likely get away with this diabolical scandal will kill football and financial fair play rules that other clubs have to abide by except Chelsea or as bad as man city

  • @socratesknows
    @socratesknows 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It absolutely does. If you can build a better squad from financial doping. You are cheating. That squad doesn't exist if they follow the rules. Pep can't sign full back after full back or centre back after centre back until he gets what he needs. It's that simple. Relegate them from the football league. 16 years of cheating, 16 years of undeserved success. Punishment needs to fit the crime.

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      100%, well said.

  • @ryangloria2068
    @ryangloria2068 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    115 will continue to win and keep getting away with it.

  • @JetBazooka21
    @JetBazooka21 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is it really the players fault though ? They’re paid to do their job on the pitch and that’s what they’ve done.

  • @Lioness_UTV
    @Lioness_UTV 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They are absolutely tarnished not as individuals but as a collective as is Pep. Who btw I am not quite convinced he wasn't aware of the shell game accounting activities or something. Its a real shame as Pep is a great manager and he gathered a great team.

  • @CJ4YRD
    @CJ4YRD 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh it does 😂. As it stands Pep sits behind Fergie.. those charges get proved he drops below Wenger and drops out of the top 5 managers in history.

  • @kezmankezman758
    @kezmankezman758 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Money Cheaty will 100 per cent be tarnished. The other clubs must drag City through the courts, the longer the drama is played out the worse the damage to the club’s reputation 🤔

  • @Lioness_UTV
    @Lioness_UTV 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    So once again the question is raised. Why are the 115 charges still unresolved, why isn't this transparent.
    If there weren't any evidence of a hidden shell game accounting activities then how could they charge them?

  • @mancuniangamecat8288
    @mancuniangamecat8288 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    With all these salty tears I'm surprised there isn't a flood warning. 😂

    • @makcity7850
      @makcity7850 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Confirmed that rival fans tears are actual causing sea levels to rise and not global warming.
      Because their owns teams are in the mud, they can only parrot out the dead meme "115 charges" to hide their jealousy...

    • @lukemckevitt602
      @lukemckevitt602 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      115 charges 🤫

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Childish response to 115 charges of financial fraud and financial doping.

    • @ashwilliams4959
      @ashwilliams4959 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Seeing alot of confused city fans, started supporting the club for glory but aren't getting any respect for it

    • @theone4808
      @theone4808 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pep Lance Armstrong Guardiola 😂😂

  • @johnhume4346
    @johnhume4346 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Yeah sure, everyone just remembers those 7 tour de france wins by Lance Armstrong 🙄

    • @Consigliere211
      @Consigliere211 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Exactly !

    • @abhijithmammoottil3329
      @abhijithmammoottil3329 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not the same is it john? City are accused of breaking ffp rules which were designed in favour of clubs like united and liverpool so that no one can dethrone them. It's not the same as doping is it now

  • @pato2200
    @pato2200 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't Pannick! Don't Pannick!

  • @oufc90
    @oufc90 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Over the last 10 years Manchester City have been absolutely amazing. Particularly under Guardiola. Best English team I’ve seen in my lifetime, possibly only second to Barcelona circa 2010. Congratulations to them, they’ve deserved it. 👏

    • @Redballoon99
      @Redballoon99 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      no cheats deserve anything other than punishments

    • @TheR3alAntagon1st
      @TheR3alAntagon1st 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Barcelona was way better, City wouldn't even get the ball off them let alone beat them

    • @chamartinpl
      @chamartinpl 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      haha Real Madrid? All the money, all the charges just to win one UCL. Madrid transition team have knocked them out 2 times in the last 3 years. Real Madrid 2014-2018 were far better team.

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Barcelona aren't an English team. Perhaps you need to learn how to structure a sentence properly. So thick, no wonder you can't understand what's going on.

  • @MANCHESTER.IS.BLUE.49
    @MANCHESTER.IS.BLUE.49 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hi Rivals..the sun is shining bright today... probably raining where you are .. unlucky 😂

  • @JayDee-rm4zz
    @JayDee-rm4zz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This city team is the best team that the prem has produced and you have to respect their achievements it’s incredible. But if it’s found out they have cheated to get to the promise land. It will absolutely be tarnished.

  • @williamneailey6756
    @williamneailey6756 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The club might be but the players are not they have been bought to play football which they do better than other teams its up to other teams to improve to catch up there was nothing said when man utd arsenal and Liverpool were dominating in their times stop the whinging city are a brilliant team 😊 Ps im not a city fan btw😊

  • @rj6657
    @rj6657 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Too late Tarnished Already and PL should not let this hang over all, it is sad.

  • @Fernando-gt5jt
    @Fernando-gt5jt 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They have the best lawyers

  • @Paddy-vc3fl
    @Paddy-vc3fl 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They are a great team. Great players playing under a great manager with what is clearly a great team spirit, but is it tarnished ? Of course it is. Made worse by the fact that Everton and Forest got the hammer, and I think Leicester are facing the same fate. I was tuned in to Anfield yesterday for the big story of the day, and I'm not a Liveroool fan.

  • @yasinsharb9453
    @yasinsharb9453 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Guirassy from stuttgart would be absolutely right fit for arsenal or boniface.

  • @sean5811
    @sean5811 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I loved how Man City fans were showing the premier league with a number 4 on it. I thought there's another 111 to add to that. Corrupt club with tarnished silver wear. You obviously don't listen to football fans. Everybody mentioned the 115 yesterday

  • @theone4808
    @theone4808 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    115 charges don't tarnish the titles 😂😂😂. Are you sure about that 😂

  • @MindfulnessGamer
    @MindfulnessGamer 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why doesn’t everyone just break the rules then? Clearly there’s no need to follow them…

  • @Hinderz
    @Hinderz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    It tarnishes the whole league (due to their inability to resolve the problem) but it absolutely tarnishes what city have done.

  • @spark556
    @spark556 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    None of them have been proved so why it would tarnish anything?

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Duhhhhhhhhh

  • @RandomParkShots
    @RandomParkShots 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ally is usually spot on, disappointed with him here
    50 of the charges are for refusing to co-operate, that tarnishes you

  • @mervynpeters
    @mervynpeters 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pep is a great manager. Players are top talent. And Man C fans love their club. Remember the rule breaking over the years has enabled Man C to build a strong base. Pep and his players unfortunately have this legacy.

  • @chadbretao508
    @chadbretao508 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man city are the best team without question but all the charges hangimg over them and no punishemt when smaller clubs get docked points do they really deserve it

  • @rj6657
    @rj6657 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sad day for PL allow Man City to pay for refs to work in other countries. Conflict of interest

  • @SwiftGifts-ni6qz
    @SwiftGifts-ni6qz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And just to think it was all from
    1 Chris woods (open goal miss) away from blowing it 😅

  • @RhysAdams-ur3om
    @RhysAdams-ur3om 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Man City winning a fourth Premier League in a row. Amazing what can be achieved with £2 billion, a manager with an offshore account, a suspended 2-year ban from European competition and 115 charges of financial irregularity.

    • @ashwilliams4959
      @ashwilliams4959 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And a pgmol set up to make you win

  • @nathanprice1841
    @nathanprice1841 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ask the fans that same question and see what the response is?

  • @alexmaggs3461
    @alexmaggs3461 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It tarnishes everything they've ever achieved, and cheating seems to be something that comes with Pep

  • @tomben6180
    @tomben6180 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I am guessing all these people in these comments who are already talking as if City have been found guilty will be holding their hands up and apologising if the case comes back with a not guilty verdict… AGAIN???? 🤨🤨🤨🤨

    • @nathanprice1841
      @nathanprice1841 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They weren't found 'not guilty' the first time around but their lawyers found a clause. The case was thrown out because of the time that had elapsed. That clause isn't in the FA's contract, as it was with Uefa.

  • @danogunner
    @danogunner 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ha ha, unless those titles get taken away like Juventus’s did

  • @siddheshgothankar8298
    @siddheshgothankar8298 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This legal department of city is either evil or stupid, its just because of them one of the greatest side doesn't get the respect it deserves

  • @roccoparks
    @roccoparks 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That’s what you want us to believe unfortunately real fans are not as stupid and delusional as you think

  • @Consigliere211
    @Consigliere211 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    These two already took Nazi gold 😂

    • @FreshAlchemy
      @FreshAlchemy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it's 2024, get your references up to date, fool.

  • @mauvem
    @mauvem 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Stelling and McCoist insist Lance Armstrong is a true champion.

  • @altberlin3826
    @altberlin3826 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How many would it take then 200? Unbelievable

  • @pez6905
    @pez6905 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    115 and the refs/var in their pocket. It was theirs before the season begun. If dodgy var and dodgy refs werent a thing then they would of finished 3rd.

  • @benjema112
    @benjema112 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This has got to be cap right ally used to play ffs. every city title is tarnished infact imo they dont really count as they have a different set of rules to every other team everything they have ever won is reward for cheating the worst and most corrupt thing to ever happen in football history its as simple as that.

  • @jasonwatterson5739
    @jasonwatterson5739 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So the rules not being enforced on them hasn't given them an unfair advantage?

  • @TPCDAZ
    @TPCDAZ 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ally McCoist and Jeff Stelling just proving they value clicks and drama over football.

  • @howlieMCFC
    @howlieMCFC 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bitter as lemons 🏆🏆🏆🏆 up the blues

  • @deeppocketsshortarms2830
    @deeppocketsshortarms2830 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thats why pep will leave before they get found guilty cos his time will be tarnished. Thats why he said before if they are guilty he will leave.

    • @Jacob56-xl4xo
      @Jacob56-xl4xo 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hahaha he's extending again loset

  • @juliusoba6488
    @juliusoba6488 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank you Richard Masters for bringing the 115 charges.
    We now have a treble, 4peat and most importantly, diverting the attention of rival clubs from focusing on our core competences.
    When we have suckled enough trophies, then the charges will be thrown out for lack of evidence as UEFA found out.

    • @pez6905
      @pez6905 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Uefa paid off by Saudi

    • @Discombobulate453
      @Discombobulate453 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      UEFA found City guilty. But they ran out of time. Not gonna have that luxury this time round, sunshine.

    • @juliusoba6488
      @juliusoba6488 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Discombobulate453 UEFA ganged up with Liverpool and United henchmen to find City guilty in their kangaroo court despite a lack of evidence.
      When the case was brought before a competent court, it was dismissed due to lack of evidence.
      You should be ashamed for referencing the corrupt judgement of UEFA.

  • @kaisersolo76
    @kaisersolo76 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What nonsesne is this. Yes these players are a direct result of those 115+ charges as they would not of won so many titles due not being able to to attract or recruitment so many top players.

  • @steve0500738
    @steve0500738 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tell that to Lance Armstrong

  • @GarySinghgsin3725
    @GarySinghgsin3725 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How could you say it doesn’t tarnish it? That means cheating the rules is ok?

  • @user-md9sp5nc2c
    @user-md9sp5nc2c 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    aye it’s does because they all wouldn’t be there if not for cheating

  • @leighsymons5619
    @leighsymons5619 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Oh yes it does.