Born & raised in the Bronx. Lived this era & crawled through some of the rawest venues in NYC to see these bands. Scene was very influenced by hip-hop culture & living in NYC during late 80's-90's. An era of constant change & rapidly shifting influences from all over a vibrant international city. What a time to be alive.
@@Hoypolloy People that liked this kind of music trooped into Manhattan via subways to catch bands & experience the scene & to meet like minded people. The boogie-down was blowing up for rap/hip-hop big time.
I am a Black Man who discovered the Cro Mags Age of Quarrel album in the late eighties. Living in southeast Tennessee at the time, I was refreshed by the band's attitude and lyrics.
Madball was one of the reasons I cared about music and the hardcore scene general. I saw them multiple times and they were always supporting big metal bands, which I thought should have been the other way around, and every time I saw them Freddy was out front before and after they played talking to people. He was such a nice and humble dude that it really struck me that this is what a real musician looks like and the few interactions I had with him made me a lifelong fan. When it comes to a Madball story, they came to play a show near me and I was super hyped because I live in central illinois and in order to see good bands I'd have to drive a few hours to Chicago. Well after that show apparently Hoya or someone else in the band was pissed off that their sound quality was garbage and beat the living hell out of the sound guy. They were actually the reason that venue never booked another band until Hatebreed came back a decade later and that venue closed again because to many kids were moshing and messing stuff up. I don't agree with how Madball handled that situation, but it was just another thing that showed me how passionate they were about the music and giving everyone a good show.
Fuck yeah, for real! I'm not from NY, not even from the States but when it comes to Hardcore my go-to sound has always been, mostly, NYHC and NYHC influenced stuff.
Since I'm not now then I never was. I now have 3 years alcohol free and over a year drug free so I carry the recovering addict badge so I can help others who made the stupid life choices that I did and show them that it's possible to live a more positive life at 38.
Great video. I'm 45 and grew up on Long Island at the time , and was fortunate enough to live through the 90s scene. Truly incredible amount of quality bands during that time , Kill Your Idols, NRSV, VOD, Tension , so many
Great to see Irate get some love. I knew them all very well from the Castle Heights/Demo ‘96 days. Horribly underrated and overlooked band from that era. You can actually see me in the pit from the “vendetta” clip you pulled.
I remember seeing Sworn Enemy back in '03 at 10am on the second stage at ozzfest... one of the few bands i actually remembered from that lineup because of how good they were.
Saw them yesterday night in Milan. Even without Pete (recovering after surgery) and even with a tracklist that wasn't my favourite they still killed it. Incredible band.
Great video. Never clicked so fast. I was hardcore kid in the 80's. Since I was born and raised in Massachusetts. I started with gang green and ssd. Later with slapshot. Got into the nyhc scene. With agnostic front and sick of it all. Friends and myself use to take the train to nyc to watch shows. Seeing alot of the bands you mentioned was a experience. It's a time of my life I still think about. But to me after v.o.d, earth crisis the scene died to me. Since no band was as good . Also mike judge had so many stories about him. As many as madball. It was a awesome time. It's a time of your life that you will carry with you. so many stories and great times and so many great shows.
I'm a HC kid from the 90s in Boston.. Its kind of a right of passage for any era of Boston Punk/HC kid to take the bus down to NYC to see a show. This vid is interesting because I have a similar yet different view of those NYHC bands. I first heard of them by seeing them, as most of them were in Boston all the time. Shit, first time I ever saw Paul Bearer (Sheer Terror) he was working the door at the Rat. And I saw Merauder at the Rat in the 90's and Minus got up and sang half the set. The list goes on.. Great vid tho, keep it up.
Definitely on subject, I have a good friend who's a little younger than me and has mostly a metal background, so I've been introducing him to hardcore I know he'd like. Anyway, I sold him on Biohazard yesterday because I told him that they're like if Rage Against the Machine chugged a whole tub of protein powder and turned their hats sideways
As a kid in 1990, I got a hold of Agnostic Front’s “Liberty and Justice For...” at a hole in the wall punk rock record store on Indy’s east side. The music blew my mind, but what they were saying, I was living, and I was encouraged to know I wasn’t alone in how I saw and survived the world. Thanks for posting the vid, Finn. Took me back to why I got into NYHC, and how the mindset still influences me today 👍
Yeah,to me Speak English or Die sounds like a big blueprint to the Song structure and Sound of maaaany bands,One Life Crew for example. Its a weird case since they were metal dudes (except Milano of The Psychos)influenced by hc that ended up influencing hc...or something like that
If you're going to mention SOD you have to mention Adrenalin OD, which is where a lot of the speed, attitude and humor of SOD was spawned. Even the format of the first SOD was somewhat patterned after "The Wacky Hijinx Of AOD". Scott and Charlie have admitted as such.
Speaking of tough street life, eastern Europe has it covered. When I was a kid it was a jackpot when you come home wearing your shoes or jacket without them being stolen off you. War, post-communism, poverty... European beatdown hardcore is legit.
Eastern Europe in the 90s - yes, definitely, but not in late 2000s/2010s - which is when these beatdown bands seem to be emerging. And certainly not Germany, which where Harm Shelter seem to be from.
Stem667 I don’t wanna beat a dead horse but honestly eastern germany is fucked in a lot of ways, most of the bands might pose but there are still rough places. And i think enjoying beatdown really implies not taking that shit to serious, same as black metal, it’s all fun as long as you don’t take it too serious.
I'd like to thank you Punk Rock MBA. Thanks for this video, I'd missed out on hardcore growing up in the 90s and hadn't heard of alot of these bands mentioned. I just watched the 4 part Noisey doc on JUDGE and came back to tell you thanks. Never thought I would tear up watching a hardcore documentary. Mike is so relatable for all us outcast kids growing up. This is my favorite video from you so far. There's plenty of material i still need to catch up on. I appreciate your ability to shed light on smaller scenes that alot of people didnt get to experience first hand.
Fellow Seattlites here - Bill Bored on Bombshelter was such a huge influence on us back in the day, and so many of the bands we heard on there continue to influence our sound today!! Oh, and NYHC rules!! Love your vids, man - so rad!!!
My first show was in 1996, I was 14. It was Sick of it All, Ensign, and AFI in the balcony at la Luna in portland oregon. That show was the just the beginning, but what a start. Such fond memories, thanks for the video.
@@steverambo4692 AFI was all about that "east bay hardcore". Their sound definitely changed by the black sails album but you could see it coming in shut your mouth and open your eyes. It was always fun yelling for them to play rolling balls when Davey was trying to be danzig.
Peter Steele wrote most of the lyrics from Agnostic Front's "cause for alarm", including the controversial lyrics of the song "public assistance". And the bass-intro from Type O Negative's song "black no.1" is very similar to Madball's song "what's with you/smell the bacon" (which is in fact an old agnostic front song from the early eighties)
Great mention of Vision of Disorder, they took a lot of heat in changing their sound with "from bliss to Devastation" Hell, it made them break up. I always liked the clean vocal aspect, VOD and Fear Factory are 2 of the best at it imo. Tim Williams was a really good lyricist and frontman
Very informative, this was honestly a subgenre I was not as familiar with. Thanks for the background, having heard all those originators I can hear it in a lot of the music I listen to now. As always great content. One of my fav subs for sure. keep rocking Finn, cheers mate
Loved the video. Very good intake. Just wish you wouldve given props to the Skinhead nyhc element (although there a snippet of it with AF) with Warzone and Youth Defence League as well as AF and Cro-Mags of course. Anyhow, killer job on this one... any chance of a how Hatebreed changed the game vid in the near future? Cheers
leeway-desperate measures killing time-brightside leeway-born to expire life of agony-river runs red cro mags-the age of quarrel madball-set it off supertouch-the earth is flat the icemen-rest in peace EP cro mags-alpha omega burn-S/T EP
@@superunknown2812 nowadays i prefer more Just Look Around and Blood Sweat and No Tears than Scratch the Surface, the sound achieved on Just Look Around is my fav.
Thank you for this video, so many memories 95 to 99. I dislocated my knee at a 25 ta Life show in Ventura, CA. Have you ever though of doing a video on Ignite? They are a great band.
I don't know how I came across your channel , but I love it ! I grew up listening to punk and hardcore in the 80's and while I listened to a lot of them , I am amazed at how much more there is to discover !! I am so relieved !!! Thanks !
I remember getting the NYHC docu from a guy I was in a band with on vhs and watching it til the tape broke . Its great to see bands like Madball still doing their thing decades later. How about a video on the introduction and evolution of 7-8-9 string guitars in metal? It blows my mind what some of the newer and even a lot of the older bands are doing musically with this change in technology. Anyway, Keep up the good work! -wilt.
As always Finn, you make great content and you aren't afraid to express your opinion. My fav band as a teen would become Biohazard. It sounds sacreligious but I traded Metallicas Kill Em All for my neighbours Urban Discipline album. One day he was blaring Shades of Grey in our apartment building and I could hear it through the wall. What got me was the ferociousness and the all band sing along parts that was synonymous with rap and hiphop. I then went down a rabbit hole of NYHC thrugh the entirety of my early teens, H.S. until about 20. I got to say post1999 hardcore wasn't really my jam. It started getting too experimental and too cool, and when I finally got half a brain in my head the shit I loved was even cringe for me...The whole tough guy, never back down, im a street hardened animal bullshit. It just seemed like manlet compensating shit. As a 15 year old thats alienated I needed that shit but as a 22 year old man I was kind of like....Anybody thats really tough where I come from doesnt talk about it or broadcast it. I guess what I am trying to say is it was good when it was good. Theres a time and a place.
I was obsessed with Beastie Boys in the mid-late 90's (still love em) and back when I was young and had endless amounts of time to waste, I would read everything I could about the history of bands I liked. i actually discovered NYHC by reading on the early history of The Beastie Boys, who were very much involved in that scene.
PS - Check out Dead Fucking Last (DFL) which was a hardcore project that Adrock worked on I the mid 90's and also, the Aglio E Olio EP that the beasties released between ill Communication and Hello Nasty. A purely great hardcore punk record. Beastie Boys deserve all of the credit they get from their hip-hop, hardcore, AND the total experimentation the guys were putting out. Man. RIP MCA. forever ❤️ These guys have had big respect among the hip-hop culture for decades, now. real motherfuckers. love em. 😎
Growing up playing in garage hardcore/metal bands in Australia in the mid 90’s, we were heavily influenced by New York hardcore mainly Madball for me it a kid who also loved hip hop and was active in graffiti it was the first time I’d seen the relationship of both worlds entwined
How good was the Aussie scene at that time though right? Toe to toe, Mindsnare, Found my direction, Voice of dissent and the thousand others I've forgotten
@@shipwreckedonapopulatedisland good stuff. I was into arms reach and forward defence, toe to toe, mindsnare. I remember having a voice of dissent 7" that was sick.
Great video finn. Not my fav style but interesting video none the less. The 25 to life clip was from luckys tavern in wilmington nc man I miss that venue
Thank you so much for making this video Finn! I have always been a metal kid and a punk kid, but when I found Hardcore, I found it so brutal and raw that I fell in love with it. I am currently playing in a Melodic Hardcore band in Puerto Rico and well yeah, I have many influences ranging from jazz and fusion, to Extreme metal but I just love bashing the drums on a sick breakdown. ❤️ much love and have a blessed 2020
One thing that really held NYHC back in the later 1980s-1990s was the uptick in violence at the shows. NYHC always drew a tough crowd, even back in the early 80s. If you were a longhair or you were sporting a "metal" look you very well might have had a problem at shows in NY/NJ back in those days. But the violence escalated during the "second wave" of NYHC to a point where people were getting seriously injured for no reason at all, which does tend to a) limit your audience and b) limit the venues willing to host you. Getting brutally slammed or spin-kicked because you were wearing a Mercyful Fate shirt is one thing, but some buffed asshole swinging a chain or a hammer around is quite another. As tight as the Youth Crew bands were and as "posi" as their messages were, they attracted a very intolerant fan base that was openly hostile toward "outsiders". I realize how ridiculous it sounds but early NYHC was not an especially "pro-jock" scene, but that changed during the second wave.
I am 34. I discovered Cro Mags through the Jasta Show last year. I am absolutely obsessed with them now and listen to their album from 1989 ? Regularly .
Tyler Ballard I remember Harley Flannigan n his cronies run the streets in the village,i was a teen in early 70,s n was a run down doped drunkard place the Bowery n was pretty well hardcore,going to shows n watching your ass going home ...the old poolhall in a sock or grandpa's black jack from the railroad. still great times qt beer n a Jay good to go...
Living in rural Central PA in the mid 90's NYHC ended up being the first style of hardcore I heard and got into albeit much later than it could have been. Sick of it All was a huge find! Immediately loved the intensity, metal influence, and just like you said....the groove! It's definitely what sets it apart from other styles of hardcore. Being a drummer, it was a huge influence on my playing. Got to see a lot of those bands play at a club near Scranton PA called Sea Sea's. What a place! All ages, bar in the back separated by a fence, no security really, shows policed by the crowd. An element of danger was there...I liked it. Even ended up joining a NYHC influenced metal band in the area called Down For the Count and got to play some shows with Skarhead in the early 2000's. Good concise review on the music and scene. Gonna recommend to my old hardcore buds.
Finn you're absolutely right about Madball's influence. I don't know how many times I've told someone who wasn't very familiar with hxc that I listen to hxc and the response is "what do you mean by hxc, like Madball?" They became the flag bearers of the scene.
My high school years were spent in the mid 80’s on the NYHC scene sneaking into CBGBs Sunday matinees, then later seeing shows at places like L’amour in Bklyn, the Ritz, ABC Noreo, and Coney Island High. For a dude in Seattle you know your shit and this vid docs the music and the NY scene better than most. Nice job. One crucial factor you and everyone else fail to mention was SOME records.. the downtown record shop that spawned the scene in the early and mid 70’s. This was where we all went for music because it was the ONLY shop in the city where all the bands would drop their demo tapes and 7”s.
Growing up in NY, and being in my teens through the 90's, I witnessed a lot of the NYHC scene first hand. The first show I ever went to was Vision of Disorder. I was probably 15 at the time, and they had just released their first album, the s/t one with the green drop on the cover. It definitely peeked my already growing interest in heavier styles of music, and opened the door to the whole underground music scene. One in which I quickly embraced, feeling at that time like this is it! This is the sound I've been searching for! In the following years through the end of the decade, and into the 2000's, the scene definitely was a big influence in my life. Going to every show I could, and immersing myself in the culter surrounding the music, I became your typical agnst HC kid. A true product of that time and era. Having grown up and looking back on it now, there were definitely one or two cringe moments, but the overall was nothing but a positive experience for me, and I wouldn't change anything about it.
i swear he stalks people. That dude randomly followed me on Facebook and Instagram after a show i played in queens with 25, Rick even called my manager and the venue and threatened everyoine...it was the funniest thing,
Generally a great video as always & definitely was fun to "watch up" on a genre that I never had too much of a personal connection to! I do kinda wanna leave 2 things with this one though: 1. My personal synopsis from the video (as an outsider to the phenomenon) was pretty much "amidst the grappling-with-reach music scenes of the 80s and 90s, the local NY hardcore scene constantly had an edge over the rest-of-country/world bands, introducing a myriad of elements that would be defining to the entire genre". I kinda feel like there was no bigger point (i.e. demonstrated substantial mainstream success/impact, huge milestones) or guiding thread being driven home (maybe there wasn't one past the aforementioned?), and since I usually find that in your videos, I missed that one here. I might have not been close enough to this one (so if anyone disagrees, do voice that, I'm curious), but unfortunately this one fell short to me in that regard. 2. While I do largely agree with the notion of beatdown being cringy as a genre, I need to strike a blow for the guys in Harm/Shelter - leaving out the slash in mentioning their band name makes them look way dumber than they are, and that's not on them, but on you. ;) And aside from the fact that their home town Frankfurt is a pretty gritty city (by European standards, at least), that video doesn't really give off a "wannabe-US-thuggish" vibe (and the mere assumption is actually sorta superficial - I mean, they're just hanging out in a studio/tattoo shop/square in streetwear, Europe has that too lol) - just saying that you could've very well picked a way better example to prove your point (I can easily think of 3 way cringier beatdown bands to reference - feel free to hmu during research next time! :)). I'm sure you know that I mean all this in a constructive manner - in that sense, thanks for making TH-cam a better place for heavy music aficionados & looking forward to all the vids to come! :)
Ni te imaginas lo difícil que era acceder a esto el '97 en una ciudad pequeña de Chile y sin internet. Amé este capítulo y me sumergió en la nostalgia. United we stand, divided we fall.
I saw madball as a 15 year old on the sunshine coast australia.. with aussie legends toe to toe and throwdown .. in around 96 ish . Was awesome loved madball ever since ..
I'll never forget my first experience of NYHC. It was in Brighton, Southern UK in the summer of '96. I'd left work early and had to walk past a pub on the Lewis road to get home where I saw a friend who was putting on a night 2 bands playing . He said I'd love the American band and would get me in as a guest if I came back about 21:00 the same night. As I only lived up the road, I took him up on his offer and arrived as planned and all was cool. Anyways,,,, the first band were just 'middle of the road dad band nothing music',, and I was about to leave when 'the American band' came on and completely changed the vibe of place.... You could honestly feel the atmosphere ramping up! It was none other than Mad Ball!!! I'd honestly NEVER heard anything like it before,,, so raw and aggressive it was incredible. After the show finished I went to find my friend and thank him for the invite,, and to my surprise I got into a conversation with Freddie and Hoya!!! Considering the music was so mad,,, I couldn't believe what cool guys they were,, and my friend and I ended up in their bus drinking, smoking and having a great time!!! The following week on payday I went and got a new tattoo because of it ,,, I'm 48 now and still wearing my name-tag 'stomach rocker' tattoo with pride!!!
Love that you brought up Agents of Man, such a sick and underrated band. Got to play with them at Black N Bowl a few years ago, and Eddie Leeway came out to cover a Leeway song too.
YOOOO. How wild to be watching this video and see a clip from from the venue where I got into hardcore and at a show I attended but over a decade later. Rick Ta Life honestly seemed off his nut that night and every other night I had the pleasure of seeing them lol. The whole mumble lyrics thing he did became a meme in the local scene for a bit and I totally forgot about it until I saw this video. RIP Luckys.
Saw Reagan Youth on a moving truck for legalize marijuana day back in 85. They were awesome. The truck and everyone else headed it's way to the UN. I never saw so many cops in my life.
Getting into hardcore in the late 90s in New Zealand was interesting, because we were a tiny country, the overall scene was small, so the youth crew influenced kids sat in the same shows as the kids who wished they could be in the DMS crew. It was a interesting conflict for a tiny scene. Never really thought about it that way before this video really.
Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today were definitely two of my favorite bands of the genre, but I think we can't talk about them without mentioning 7 Seconds, early DRI or Murphys Law, which in my opinion created the genre and I still enjoy listening to them today, even though I'm into much mellower stuff these days, like mostly anybody over 40 I guess..
I've watched a bunch of your videos, but I have never seen this. I've opened for a bunch of these bands, and it's cool to see these guys get some props. The NYC scene is a small one, but it's great to see the impact it has had on heavy music. I'm sure you have, but if you haven't, check out Billyclub Sandwich, Everybody Gets Hurt (Goon Squad is the sh*t), Subzero, District 9, and damn, the list could go on and on. Thanks for making this video!
Brings back of the music of my youth! Judge, Gorrila, Youth of today. I went to high school with the drummer of Srife. Straight edge hardcore of the late 80s. New York hardcore was great in the late 80s and mid 90s. Man, I miss all that energy.
@@johnboygeranimo6526 LOL, History Channel's show "Gangland" did an episode on FSU. At the end of it they basically said, "Yea they're not really a gang at all but they're pretty violent"
Kinda sad that Warzone and Sheer Terror weren't mentioned. Growing up in North Carolina we got to see a lot of bands come through here and those two were the ones I always couldn't wait to see again.
awesome video! the NYHC was a big influence to us here in southamerica, Venezuela, we listening too much lml in the same time that we listen rock, metal or punk
Yeah the influence is pretty clear, there's a fun people song call new york city clon that talks about that. Personally I prefer LA and DC hc better though.
Sheriff Charlie Panda I’m from Nashua NH and I must say- in the 90’s it was all about new metal and gothic industrial stuff there. The closest to hardcore anyone really listened to was biohazard stuff from New York.
@@badmoon722 I'm from Manchester n blood for blood is Boston also hatebreed is from Connecticut but played a ton in Massachusetts plus there were alot of underground bands like pray for nothing gargantual soul wolfpac and more that played here including in nashua
@@sheriffcharliepanda8613 Hatebreed is clumped together with New York hardcore. Suprised he did not mention this. Massachusetts has so many good bands though, both modern and old. Converge, Bane, Have Heart, Vein, Blood for Blood. The list goes on and on.
I was into some of the NY hardcore adjacent bands in the 90s, as well as CIV and Shelter. Mostly I was into the less metal influenced hardcore bands back then. One band I would love to see you talk about from the West Coast is Downset.
YO great video!! I remember seeing Irate, VOD and Candiria and it was probably the most brutal show ive ever been to. Also have seen 25 Ta Life many times, and Rick the singer did not forget the lyrics, thats how he "sang"
I got into hardcore via bands like nuclear assault, birth ad and indeed agnostic front. Lateron i got into shit like converge's petitioning the empty sky and walls of jericho. On this moment im head over heels with code orange, vein, harms way (also got into hardcore via carcass and shit, nice transition to harms way), varials and knocked loose, stuff like that.
I was there .just about every Sunday hardcore matinee show at cbgb's. Mid to late 80s.great scene made lots of friends. Agnostic front and bad brains have to be the best bands of the time.
thanks finn for introducing me to this genre I hardly ever knew about this particular genre since I was not alive during this time and now I really like this sub genre thank you
kraut. (matinee 7")..fkn my girl at the matinee..classic raw n unparalleled single....he left out a lot early hc bands? but he's young guy compared to me...hc ..RIP So many fallen soilders ...
We always called beat down hardcore “tuff guy hardcore” which I believe was the official name of that heavier sub genre. Bands like Skarhead, Mushmouth, Punishment, Hatebreed, Blood for Blood, Stout, Marauder, Madball, Integrity, Buried Alive/Terror, Death Before Dishonor, 100 Demons, Boxcutter, Comin Correct, Etown Concrete, Madball, Death Threat, etc. like the chuggier mushy parts usually played by street kids who had turned into grown men and were raised on the fast gritty hard as nails east coast of the late 70’s and 80’s.
I lived in the clubs in the 90s. Friends throughout this scene. You were very close but if you ever want to talk music I'm game. Right before this virus bs hit I went to madball who's still playing and went to see Ramallah and All Out War opened for them. I can talk first hand experience of clubs like QE2 and CBGB. Back then I had a lot of friends in some of those bands but I was loving the shit coming out of Boston like Sam Black Church. Your take on the scene was ok though. The groove thing really started in Troy NY though Troycore really fused HC and Groovemetal bands like Stigmata who were in that Biohazard video you played
I think people ask for you to do topics like this because they know you'll deliver a well researched and tact video. You put out quality man! It does help to be from the area so I get where you're coming from. Your fans just know you're the guy to deliver it!
LOL, no. Kraut were neither hardcore nor crossover. They were a melodic punk rock band which had more in common with Sex Pistols or Stiff Little Fingers than Agnostic Front or Cause For Alarm. Their last album was slightly metal influenced but that's not enough to be called crossover.
As a teenager I wanted to find the toughest, roudiest, most intense moshpits and music possible - and I stumbled on New York hardcore. When Sick of it All came to Australia around 2011 I hit the pit and it was one of those most bruising, awesome experiences ever (was probably one of the only women there). You don't just listen to hardcore, you survive it! Not for the faint of heart whatsoever.
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Phil Vibez (IRATE) here. We are honored to be mentioned amongst so many friends and bands that influenced our sound. Respect.
Did Murphy's Law get a mention? Otherwise great vid.
The Punk Rock MBA I think you should do an episode on the riot grrl bands
"better songs, better players, better engineers, better ingredients, better pizza, poppa johns."
lol aight this a food comment but FUK PPJ
I read this comment in the passenger seat as my girlfriend was at a stop light looking directly at a Papa John's 😆
Ohh fuck you.. That was funny! 🤣🤣
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It's "Papa," _now get it right or pay the price._
Born & raised in the Bronx. Lived this era & crawled through some of the rawest venues in NYC to see these bands. Scene was very influenced by hip-hop culture & living in NYC during late 80's-90's. An era of constant change & rapidly shifting influences from all over a vibrant international city. What a time to be alive.
What was the scene like in the BX back in the day?
Bronx scene was quiet we would all go to CB's on Sundays and whatever other shows we could find. @Hoypolloy
@@Hoypolloy People that liked this kind of music trooped into Manhattan via subways to catch bands & experience the scene & to meet like minded people. The boogie-down was blowing up for rap/hip-hop big time.
@@jamesdestasio3630 it’s 100% true. Manhattan’s where the scene was.
I am a Black Man who discovered the Cro Mags Age of Quarrel album in the late eighties. Living in southeast Tennessee at the time, I was refreshed by the band's attitude and lyrics.
an album i still listen to! so good!
Why does your skin colour matter brother?
@@CyrusCageSCWS it matters when u live in a racist police state
CyrusCageSCWS You must not be familiar with Southeast Tennessee in the 80s.
@@neversmile3832 This.
Madball was one of the reasons I cared about music and the hardcore scene general. I saw them multiple times and they were always supporting big metal bands, which I thought should have been the other way around, and every time I saw them Freddy was out front before and after they played talking to people. He was such a nice and humble dude that it really struck me that this is what a real musician looks like and the few interactions I had with him made me a lifelong fan. When it comes to a Madball story, they came to play a show near me and I was super hyped because I live in central illinois and in order to see good bands I'd have to drive a few hours to Chicago. Well after that show apparently Hoya or someone else in the band was pissed off that their sound quality was garbage and beat the living hell out of the sound guy. They were actually the reason that venue never booked another band until Hatebreed came back a decade later and that venue closed again because to many kids were moshing and messing stuff up. I don't agree with how Madball handled that situation, but it was just another thing that showed me how passionate they were about the music and giving everyone a good show.
Now THIS is the video I've been waiting for!!
Alex Osborne that’s a fact.
Fuck yeah, for real! I'm not from NY, not even from the States but when it comes to Hardcore my go-to sound has always been, mostly, NYHC and NYHC influenced stuff.
@ Listening to it right now, dope comp!
Alex Osborne thats the type of hc im into.
Alex Osborne Now THIS is the comment I’ve been waiting for!!
looking forward to the straight edge/youth crew video! grew up with those bands. heh still straight edge 30 years later.
Lmaoo. Wish I was straight edge with u. Drinkin was the biggest mistake I ever made. Good on u man.
@@thomasbelajonas731 i hear ya, and thanks!
Since I'm not now then I never was. I now have 3 years alcohol free and over a year drug free so I carry the recovering addict badge so I can help others who made the stupid life choices that I did and show them that it's possible to live a more positive life at 38.
I'm xxx since '95 when I found out about it.
@david palmer : He has released that video already :)
The late 80’s & 90’s NY/NJ Hardcore scene was a beautiful thing to witness.
Hell yes alot of bands came through Bogart's in Cincinnati in the 90s.
Great video. I'm 45 and grew up on Long Island at the time , and was fortunate enough to live through the 90s scene. Truly incredible amount of quality bands during that time , Kill Your Idols, NRSV, VOD, Tension , so many
Great to see Irate get some love. I knew them all very well from the Castle Heights/Demo ‘96 days. Horribly underrated and overlooked band from that era. You can actually see me in the pit from the “vendetta” clip you pulled.
Skate mags and skate vids were huge in spreading punk/ hardcore to the world in the 80s/ early 90s pre internet
Thrasher magazine
Maximum Rock 'N Roll magazine out of SF.
Boom!!!
big brother magazine
That's true, and this host is a nerd.
Madball, All Out War and Sworn Enemy were my shit back in the bad buffet!
I remember seeing Sworn Enemy back in '03 at 10am on the second stage at ozzfest... one of the few bands i actually remembered from that lineup because of how good they were.
@@nekrazero8331 10am....so badass
I can't get over the fact that the guy is called Bill Bored lmao.
Lmao sounds like a way to insult Bill Burr
Sames
lmao my dumbass saw that and then your comment and thought "lmao yeah his last name is bored that's kinda funny" then it hit me..Billboard LMAO
ONe of the greatest names... ever
I freaking loved Biohazard... I had no clue what I was listening to but it was awesome
Sick Of It All is still one of the best NYHC bands...just a great band in general really. Awesome seeing em live. \m/
Saw them yesterday night in Milan. Even without Pete (recovering after surgery) and even with a tracklist that wasn't my favourite they still killed it. Incredible band.
I like the hardcore sound but I just want people to sing not growl or scream etc
@@leahflower9924try with other genre 🤷🏻♂️
Cro-Mags, Age of Quarrel is a classic. A masterpiece of NYHC.
Damn dude, bringing these riffs so early in the morning, getting me in trouble.
You know how hard it is to mosh while brushing your teeth?
Great video. Never clicked so fast. I was hardcore kid in the 80's. Since I was born and raised in Massachusetts. I started with gang green and ssd. Later with slapshot. Got into the nyhc scene. With agnostic front and sick of it all. Friends and myself use to take the train to nyc to watch shows. Seeing alot of the bands you mentioned was a experience. It's a time of my life I still think about. But to me after v.o.d, earth crisis the scene died to me. Since no band was as good . Also mike judge had so many stories about him. As many as madball. It was a awesome time. It's a time of your life that you will carry with you. so many stories and great times and so many great shows.
Shit, forgot about the mike judge stories! So true
@@ThePunkRockMBA they were pretty legendary
I was going to Hardcore shows in LA in the 80’s. I always enjoyed the Boston bands like Gang Green and SSD when they came through town.
I'm a HC kid from the 90s in Boston.. Its kind of a right of passage for any era of Boston Punk/HC kid to take the bus down to NYC to see a show. This vid is interesting because I have a similar yet different view of those NYHC bands. I first heard of them by seeing them, as most of them were in Boston all the time. Shit, first time I ever saw Paul Bearer (Sheer Terror) he was working the door at the Rat. And I saw Merauder at the Rat in the 90's and Minus got up and sang half the set. The list goes on.. Great vid tho, keep it up.
Definitely on subject, I have a good friend who's a little younger than me and has mostly a metal background, so I've been introducing him to hardcore I know he'd like. Anyway, I sold him on Biohazard yesterday because I told him that they're like if Rage Against the Machine chugged a whole tub of protein powder and turned their hats sideways
Hahaha that's fucking hilarious bro!
Fuck I want to check out biohazard now, you're good at this
If you like RATM and hardcore check out inside out! It’s zacks band before rage and their EP no spiritual surrender is legendary in my book
Grew up at CBs in the late 80s during the NYHC era - great times!
No u Didn't.
lucky, i wish i could’ve grown up in that era
@@dead.337 if you look closely you'll find me in some of the photos from some classic albums from that era
@@winterfrost99 theres lotsa old live videos online but wish the quality of cameras was better back in the 1980s!
@@dead.337 ?
As a kid in 1990, I got a hold of Agnostic Front’s “Liberty and Justice For...” at a hole in the wall punk rock record store on Indy’s east side. The music blew my mind, but what they were saying, I was living, and I was encouraged to know I wasn’t alone in how I saw and survived the world.
Thanks for posting the vid, Finn. Took me back to why I got into NYHC, and how the mindset still influences me today 👍
I'd like put in my vote for a BAD BRAINS video
Ernesto Rodriguez THANK YOU!!!
@ScottKipple bad brains were a NYHC band
Actually Bad Brains were from DC.
@@vinylrichie007 very true I can see how he got confused since they did play CBGBs
@@ghostmonkey0432 not confused at all. It's like calling dri or the dicks Texas bands when they had to leave Texas for SF to actually make a mark
Anthrax was mentioned briefly, but think S.O.D should have been as well
Yeah,to me Speak English or Die sounds like a big blueprint to the Song structure and Sound of maaaany bands,One Life Crew for example. Its a weird case since they were metal dudes (except Milano of The Psychos)influenced by hc that ended up influencing hc...or something like that
Matt Miller Definitely... the N.Y. metal scene was also infused with hip hop. Scott Ian was on the forefront of that.
MILANO MOSH YOU PUSSIES!!!!
If you're going to mention SOD you have to mention Adrenalin OD, which is where a lot of the speed, attitude and humor of SOD was spawned. Even the format of the first SOD was somewhat patterned after "The Wacky Hijinx Of AOD". Scott and Charlie have admitted as such.
Neither are hardcore
Speaking of tough street life, eastern Europe has it covered. When I was a kid it was a jackpot when you come home wearing your shoes or jacket without them being stolen off you. War, post-communism, poverty... European beatdown hardcore is legit.
woochyna what are some bands by them that you like
Bands?
kidswillbeskeletons Grimm i think i meant bands made by eastern europeans. otherwise i probsbly just wasnt paying attention while typing lol
Eastern Europe in the 90s - yes, definitely, but not in late 2000s/2010s - which is when these beatdown bands seem to be emerging. And certainly not Germany, which where Harm Shelter seem to be from.
Stem667 I don’t wanna beat a dead horse but honestly eastern germany is fucked in a lot of ways, most of the bands might pose but there are still rough places. And i think enjoying beatdown really implies not taking that shit to serious, same as black metal, it’s all fun as long as you don’t take it too serious.
I'd like to thank you Punk Rock MBA. Thanks for this video, I'd missed out on hardcore growing up in the 90s and hadn't heard of alot of these bands mentioned. I just watched the 4 part Noisey doc on JUDGE and came back to tell you thanks. Never thought I would tear up watching a hardcore documentary. Mike is so relatable for all us outcast kids growing up. This is my favorite video from you so far. There's plenty of material i still need to catch up on. I appreciate your ability to shed light on smaller scenes that alot of people didnt get to experience first hand.
Fellow Seattlites here - Bill Bored on Bombshelter was such a huge influence on us back in the day, and so many of the bands we heard on there continue to influence our sound today!! Oh, and NYHC rules!! Love your vids, man - so rad!!!
Thanks man! Glad someone else remembers bombshelter
My first show was in 1996, I was 14. It was Sick of it All, Ensign, and AFI in the balcony at la Luna in portland oregon. That show was the just the beginning, but what a start. Such fond memories, thanks for the video.
nicepocket man it’s so weird to hear about afi playing with hardcore bands especially since I grew up with “emo” afi
My first hardcore show was stillsuit, vision of disorder, earth crisis and downset. I was beyond stoked as a youngin watching that go down.
@@steverambo4692 AFI was all about that "east bay hardcore". Their sound definitely changed by the black sails album but you could see it coming in shut your mouth and open your eyes. It was always fun yelling for them to play rolling balls when Davey was trying to be danzig.
I remember that tour! Saw AFI with Strife around the same time.
While not a NY Hardcore band, Type O Negative had some great punk influenced songs. Same with Peter's earlier crossover thrash band Carnivore.
definitely , type-o/carnivore got me into all of these others bands
Peter Steele straight up wrote some Agnostic Front songs for them
Peter Steele wrote most of the lyrics from Agnostic Front's "cause for alarm", including the controversial lyrics of the song "public assistance". And the bass-intro from Type O Negative's song "black no.1" is very similar to Madball's song "what's with you/smell the bacon" (which is in fact an old agnostic front song from the early eighties)
Static Voicings
Absolutely
Pete even shaved his head of that long hair when Carnivore played CB's for the Retaliation release.
My intro to Hardcore was Anthrax/SOD back when the adjacent bands were called Crossover
Still love me some Hardcore/NYHC
i remember when anthrax tried to copyright the "NYHC" logo. if that had happened, i really wonder what would have happened.
Great mention of Vision of Disorder, they took a lot of heat in changing their sound with "from bliss to Devastation" Hell, it made them break up. I always liked the clean vocal aspect, VOD and Fear Factory are 2 of the best at it imo. Tim Williams was a really good lyricist and frontman
Very informative, this was honestly a subgenre I was not as familiar with. Thanks for the background, having heard all those originators I can hear it in a lot of the music I listen to now. As always great content. One of my fav subs for sure. keep rocking Finn, cheers mate
Loved the video. Next should be about Boston Hardcore. But really hope you do that Youth Crew video. Keep it up!!
Loved the video. Very good intake. Just wish you wouldve given props to the Skinhead nyhc element (although there a snippet of it with AF) with Warzone and Youth Defence League as well as AF and Cro-Mags of course. Anyhow, killer job on this one... any chance of a how Hatebreed changed the game vid in the near future? Cheers
leeway-desperate measures
killing time-brightside
leeway-born to expire
life of agony-river runs red
cro mags-the age of quarrel
madball-set it off
supertouch-the earth is flat
the icemen-rest in peace EP
cro mags-alpha omega
burn-S/T EP
I'd add DFTSDFTS
Sick of it all scratch the surface and agnostic front cause for alarm
@@superunknown2812 nowadays i prefer more Just Look Around and Blood Sweat and No Tears than Scratch the Surface, the sound achieved on Just Look Around is my fav.
Marauder - Master Killer
Enrage - Empty
Thank you for this video, so many memories 95 to 99. I dislocated my knee at a 25 ta Life show in Ventura, CA.
Have you ever though of doing a video on Ignite? They are a great band.
I don't know how I came across your channel , but I love it ! I grew up listening to punk and hardcore in the 80's and while I listened to a lot of them , I am amazed at how much more there is to discover !! I am so relieved !!! Thanks !
It would be cool if you took a look at NYHCs brother scene, Boston. Love both scenes. Great video as always!
being from western mass we always got the boston and ny bands coming thru the area, best of both worlds.
I moved from southern Mass to upstate NY, and I approve this message.
I remember getting the NYHC docu from a guy I was in a band with on vhs and watching it til the tape broke . Its great to see bands like Madball still doing their thing decades later. How about a video on the introduction and evolution of 7-8-9 string guitars in metal? It blows my mind what some of the newer and even a lot of the older bands are doing musically with this change in technology. Anyway, Keep up the good work! -wilt.
Sick of it All, Madball, Agnostic Front, Sworn Enemy & Hatebreed @ The Electric Factory in Philly.
Any show at the church
RIP to any/everyone that attended. All moshed to death.
As always Finn, you make great content and you aren't afraid to express your opinion.
My fav band as a teen would become Biohazard. It sounds sacreligious but I traded Metallicas Kill Em All for my neighbours Urban Discipline album. One day he was blaring Shades of Grey in our apartment building and I could hear it through the wall. What got me was the ferociousness and the all band sing along parts that was synonymous with rap and hiphop. I then went down a rabbit hole of NYHC thrugh the entirety of my early teens, H.S. until about 20. I got to say post1999 hardcore wasn't really my jam. It started getting too experimental and too cool, and when I finally got half a brain in my head the shit I loved was even cringe for me...The whole tough guy, never back down, im a street hardened animal bullshit. It just seemed like manlet compensating shit. As a 15 year old thats alienated I needed that shit but as a 22 year old man I was kind of like....Anybody thats really tough where I come from doesnt talk about it or broadcast it.
I guess what I am trying to say is it was good when it was good. Theres a time and a place.
I was obsessed with Beastie Boys in the mid-late 90's (still love em) and back when I was young and had endless amounts of time to waste, I would read everything I could about the history of bands I liked. i actually discovered NYHC by reading on the early history of The Beastie Boys, who were very much involved in that scene.
PS - Check out Dead Fucking Last (DFL) which was a hardcore project that Adrock worked on I the mid 90's and also, the Aglio E Olio EP that the beasties released between ill Communication and Hello Nasty. A purely great hardcore punk record. Beastie Boys deserve all of the credit they get from their hip-hop, hardcore, AND the total experimentation the guys were putting out. Man. RIP MCA. forever ❤️ These guys have had big respect among the hip-hop culture for decades, now. real motherfuckers. love em. 😎
Growing up playing in garage hardcore/metal bands in Australia in the mid 90’s, we were heavily influenced by New York hardcore mainly Madball for me it a kid who also loved hip hop and was active in graffiti it was the first time I’d seen the relationship of both worlds entwined
How good was the Aussie scene at that time though right?
Toe to toe, Mindsnare, Found my direction, Voice of dissent and the thousand others I've forgotten
@@shipwreckedonapopulatedisland good stuff. I was into arms reach and forward defence, toe to toe, mindsnare. I remember having a voice of dissent 7" that was sick.
It took 13 mins but FINALLY that classic 'ble-o-ble-o-BLEH' Rick Ta Life clip. Video delivers.
The video of him performing with the boombox is still my favorite
@@ianmorris1187 RTL videos exist in a quantum superposition were they are all equally terrible and awesome.
Bleagh blip blip blop blawawiwa bleagh blagh blogh.
I saw them the first time in 97 in Belgium (Dour Festival) and it was one of the craziest concert i saw
Played a show with 25-Ta-Life back in 2004, and man, what a weird fucking show. Dudes from the band all struck me as the creepy uncle type.
Great video finn. Not my fav style but interesting video none the less. The 25 to life clip was from luckys tavern in wilmington nc man I miss that venue
Thank you so much for making this video Finn! I have always been a metal kid and a punk kid, but when I found Hardcore, I found it so brutal and raw that I fell in love with it.
I am currently playing in a Melodic Hardcore band in Puerto Rico and well yeah, I have many influences ranging from jazz and fusion, to Extreme metal but I just love bashing the drums on a sick breakdown. ❤️ much love and have a blessed 2020
One thing that really held NYHC back in the later 1980s-1990s was the uptick in violence at the shows. NYHC always drew a tough crowd, even back in the early 80s. If you were a longhair or you were sporting a "metal" look you very well might have had a problem at shows in NY/NJ back in those days. But the violence escalated during the "second wave" of NYHC to a point where people were getting seriously injured for no reason at all, which does tend to a) limit your audience and b) limit the venues willing to host you. Getting brutally slammed or spin-kicked because you were wearing a Mercyful Fate shirt is one thing, but some buffed asshole swinging a chain or a hammer around is quite another. As tight as the Youth Crew bands were and as "posi" as their messages were, they attracted a very intolerant fan base that was openly hostile toward "outsiders". I realize how ridiculous it sounds but early NYHC was not an especially "pro-jock" scene, but that changed during the second wave.
Keep doing the Spotify playlists! They’re awesome 👍
I am 34. I discovered Cro Mags through the Jasta Show last year. I am absolutely obsessed with them now and listen to their album from 1989 ? Regularly .
Tyler Ballard I remember Harley Flannigan n his cronies run the streets in the village,i was a teen in early 70,s n was a run down doped drunkard place the Bowery n was pretty well hardcore,going to shows n watching your ass going home ...the old poolhall in a sock or grandpa's black jack from the railroad. still great times qt beer n a Jay good to go...
Check out their album.....Age of Quarrel. Sick!
I saw War Zone, D.R.I., and The Exploited at the Ritz in 1987
All 3 together on the same bill?
Yeah I got a broken nose during War Zone, The Exploited played last
Same.
Great insight on NYHC, I'm proud to say I'm part of this scene and its still going strong. Nice ineffect tshirt btw!
Another great video sir! Also, Merauder is the best rec from one of your videos since Snapcase. Thank you for that.
Living in rural Central PA in the mid 90's NYHC ended up being the first style of hardcore I heard and got into albeit much later than it could have been. Sick of it All was a huge find! Immediately loved the intensity, metal influence, and just like you said....the groove! It's definitely what sets it apart from other styles of hardcore. Being a drummer, it was a huge influence on my playing. Got to see a lot of those bands play at a club near Scranton PA called Sea Sea's. What a place! All ages, bar in the back separated by a fence, no security really, shows policed by the crowd. An element of danger was there...I liked it. Even ended up joining a NYHC influenced metal band in the area called Down For the Count and got to play some shows with Skarhead in the early 2000's. Good concise review on the music and scene. Gonna recommend to my old hardcore buds.
Sea-Sea's is gone. Burned down. Also there was The Staircase, The Factory, Metro Cafe...all gone.
Finn you're absolutely right about Madball's influence. I don't know how many times I've told someone who wasn't very familiar with hxc that I listen to hxc and the response is "what do you mean by hxc, like Madball?" They became the flag bearers of the scene.
I don't know if you've done it but a thrash metal vid would be great.
H2O changed my life. The positive message was a breath of fresh air
Me too. Got me through some hard times
THANKS FOR KEEPING THE SCENE ALIVE!!!
"I cannot think of a dumbest name for a hardcore genre than beatdown". Dude, what about "powerviolence"? Btw I love PV
Lol, yep thats pretty awful too
I always hated Djent. The music is good for what it's worth. But the name is awful.
Take it one step further - "emo-violence"
@@spncy6663 im working on a video on that EXACT topic
"Don't Forget the Struggle, Don't Forget the Streets"
War zone!!!!!!
My high school years were spent in the mid 80’s on the NYHC scene sneaking into CBGBs Sunday matinees, then later seeing shows at places like L’amour in Bklyn, the Ritz, ABC Noreo, and Coney Island High. For a dude in Seattle you know your shit and this vid docs the music and the NY scene better than most. Nice job. One crucial factor you and everyone else fail to mention was SOME records.. the downtown record shop that spawned the scene in the early and mid 70’s. This was where we all went for music because it was the ONLY shop in the city where all the bands would drop their demo tapes and 7”s.
Thanks man!
SOME was a great place!
I miss the matinee days. Good times
VOD Imprint is my favorite album of all time easily. Beautifully heavy from beginning to end. Lyrics n vocals are just plain killer.
Growing up in NY, and being in my teens through the 90's, I witnessed a lot of the NYHC scene first hand. The first show I ever went to was Vision of Disorder. I was probably 15 at the time, and they had just released their first album, the s/t one with the green drop on the cover. It definitely peeked my already growing interest in heavier styles of music, and opened the door to the whole underground music scene. One in which I quickly embraced, feeling at that time like this is it! This is the sound I've been searching for! In the following years through the end of the decade, and into the 2000's, the scene definitely was a big influence in my life. Going to every show I could, and immersing myself in the culter surrounding the music, I became your typical agnst HC kid. A true product of that time and era. Having grown up and looking back on it now, there were definitely one or two cringe moments, but the overall was nothing but a positive experience for me, and I wouldn't change anything about it.
20+ years later, and Rick Ta Life is still a punchline.
Performing live with his boombox and bootleg cassettes
i swear he stalks people. That dude randomly followed me on Facebook and Instagram after a show i played in queens with 25, Rick even called my manager and the venue and threatened everyoine...it was the funniest thing,
Is rick still in a white power band?
Work Ethic Records no. Rick isn’t in any bands rn. He has a heart attack and now eats tomato’s while posting them on Instagram
@@garrett4299 bbwwwahahaha.
Generally a great video as always & definitely was fun to "watch up" on a genre that I never had too much of a personal connection to! I do kinda wanna leave 2 things with this one though:
1. My personal synopsis from the video (as an outsider to the phenomenon) was pretty much "amidst the grappling-with-reach music scenes of the 80s and 90s, the local NY hardcore scene constantly had an edge over the rest-of-country/world bands, introducing a myriad of elements that would be defining to the entire genre". I kinda feel like there was no bigger point (i.e. demonstrated substantial mainstream success/impact, huge milestones) or guiding thread being driven home (maybe there wasn't one past the aforementioned?), and since I usually find that in your videos, I missed that one here. I might have not been close enough to this one (so if anyone disagrees, do voice that, I'm curious), but unfortunately this one fell short to me in that regard.
2. While I do largely agree with the notion of beatdown being cringy as a genre, I need to strike a blow for the guys in Harm/Shelter - leaving out the slash in mentioning their band name makes them look way dumber than they are, and that's not on them, but on you. ;) And aside from the fact that their home town Frankfurt is a pretty gritty city (by European standards, at least), that video doesn't really give off a "wannabe-US-thuggish" vibe (and the mere assumption is actually sorta superficial - I mean, they're just hanging out in a studio/tattoo shop/square in streetwear, Europe has that too lol) - just saying that you could've very well picked a way better example to prove your point (I can easily think of 3 way cringier beatdown bands to reference - feel free to hmu during research next time! :)).
I'm sure you know that I mean all this in a constructive manner - in that sense, thanks for making TH-cam a better place for heavy music aficionados & looking forward to all the vids to come! :)
doesn't get more cringe than Madball, but they get a pass for some reason
Ni te imaginas lo difícil que era acceder a esto el '97 en una ciudad pequeña de Chile y sin internet. Amé este capítulo y me sumergió en la nostalgia. United we stand, divided we fall.
I saw madball as a 15 year old on the sunshine coast australia.. with aussie legends toe to toe and throwdown .. in around 96 ish . Was awesome loved madball ever since ..
I'll never forget my first experience of NYHC. It was in Brighton, Southern UK in the summer of '96.
I'd left work early and had to walk past a pub on the Lewis road to get home where I saw a friend who was putting on a night 2 bands playing .
He said I'd love the American band and would get me in as a guest if I came back about 21:00 the same night.
As I only lived up the road, I took him up on his offer and arrived as planned and all was cool.
Anyways,,,, the first band were just 'middle of the road dad band nothing music',, and I was about to leave when 'the American band' came on and completely changed the vibe of place.... You could honestly feel the atmosphere ramping up!
It was none other than Mad Ball!!!
I'd honestly NEVER heard anything like it before,,, so raw and aggressive it was incredible.
After the show finished I went to find my friend and thank him for the invite,, and to my surprise I got into a conversation with Freddie and Hoya!!!
Considering the music was so mad,,, I couldn't believe what cool guys they were,, and my friend and I ended up in their bus drinking, smoking and having a great time!!!
The following week on payday I went and got a new tattoo because of it ,,, I'm 48 now and still wearing my name-tag 'stomach rocker' tattoo with pride!!!
Come down to the cowley club on london road if you fancy giving hardcore another whirl in 2022!!
One of my favorite NY hardcore bands was Killing Time ...Brightside
Yup was missing them also. Their debut was gruwlsome They had good merchandise as well had one of there shirts that survived 6 years.
They were fierce live every time too.
I love seeing stuff from old public access shows!
How dare you not speak of WARZONE!
The sound of revolution still gets regular rotation
Its not the history of nyhc
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The Punk Rock MBA How are Warzone not part of NYHC history?
FaceXIII he said the video isn’t a history of NYHC. He’s just talking about the bands that he personally got into when he was younger.
Love that you brought up Agents of Man, such a sick and underrated band. Got to play with them at Black N Bowl a few years ago, and Eddie Leeway came out to cover a Leeway song too.
YOOOO. How wild to be watching this video and see a clip from from the venue where I got into hardcore and at a show I attended but over a decade later. Rick Ta Life honestly seemed off his nut that night and every other night I had the pleasure of seeing them lol. The whole mumble lyrics thing he did became a meme in the local scene for a bit and I totally forgot about it until I saw this video. RIP Luckys.
Reagan Youth? I saw them a couple times at CBGB's Hardcore Matinees. Always a great show. And Cause for Alarm, too.
Saw Reagan Youth on a moving truck for legalize marijuana day back in 85. They were awesome. The truck and everyone else headed it's way to the UN. I never saw so many cops in my life.
@@kenjo3045 I really loved their shows and their politics. They walked their talk. Great vid -- hope you keep them coming
Getting into hardcore in the late 90s in New Zealand was interesting, because we were a tiny country, the overall scene was small, so the youth crew influenced kids sat in the same shows as the kids who wished they could be in the DMS crew. It was a interesting conflict for a tiny scene. Never really thought about it that way before this video really.
Gorilla Biscuits and Youth of Today were definitely two of my favorite bands of the genre, but I think we can't talk about them without mentioning 7 Seconds, early DRI or Murphys Law, which in my opinion created the genre and I still enjoy listening to them today, even though I'm into much mellower stuff these days, like mostly anybody over 40 I guess..
I've watched a bunch of your videos, but I have never seen this. I've opened for a bunch of these bands, and it's cool to see these guys get some props. The NYC scene is a small one, but it's great to see the impact it has had on heavy music. I'm sure you have, but if you haven't, check out Billyclub Sandwich, Everybody Gets Hurt (Goon Squad is the sh*t), Subzero, District 9, and damn, the list could go on and on. Thanks for making this video!
Brings back of the music of my youth! Judge, Gorrila, Youth of today. I went to high school with the drummer of Srife. Straight edge hardcore of the late 80s. New York hardcore was great in the late 80s and mid 90s. Man, I miss all that energy.
Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front,
Sick Of It All, Madball !!! 👊👊👊
I'd love a video about the Boston Beatdown scene and that crazy documentary that came out
FSU
@@johnboygeranimo6526 LOL, History Channel's show "Gangland" did an episode on FSU. At the end of it they basically said, "Yea they're not really a gang at all but they're pretty violent"
Christopher Jackson slap shot
sam black church and tree!!
haydenkayne slap shot
Kinda sad that Warzone and Sheer Terror weren't mentioned. Growing up in North Carolina we got to see a lot of bands come through here and those two were the ones I always couldn't wait to see again.
awesome video! the NYHC was a big influence to us here in southamerica, Venezuela, we listening too much lml in the same time that we listen rock, metal or punk
Yeah the influence is pretty clear, there's a fun people song call new york city clon that talks about that. Personally I prefer LA and DC hc better though.
For having been across the country, it seems like you definitely got the vibe right 🙌🏾 especially the kids spreading rumors about madball LOL
I love this great job man I'm from Southern NH please please do Boston hardcore shit changed my life
Sheriff Charlie Panda I’m from Nashua NH and I must say- in the 90’s it was all about new metal and gothic industrial stuff there. The closest to hardcore anyone really listened to was biohazard stuff from New York.
@@badmoon722 I'm from Manchester n blood for blood is Boston also hatebreed is from Connecticut but played a ton in Massachusetts plus there were alot of underground bands like pray for nothing gargantual soul wolfpac and more that played here including in nashua
@@sheriffcharliepanda8613 Hatebreed is clumped together with New York hardcore. Suprised he did not mention this. Massachusetts has so many good bands though, both modern and old. Converge, Bane, Have Heart, Vein, Blood for Blood. The list goes on and on.
@@RockyPondProductions I couldn't agree more bud
@@RockyPondProductions or earlier stuff like slapshot, SSD, GangGreen, The Freeze and eye for an eye.
SICK OF IT ALL. that's the best NYHC band!
Dicks out bro
@@mikaellugo4146 Dicks are fully out bro!
I was into some of the NY hardcore adjacent bands in the 90s, as well as CIV and Shelter. Mostly I was into the less metal influenced hardcore bands back then. One band I would love to see you talk about from the West Coast is Downset.
YO great video!! I remember seeing Irate, VOD and Candiria and it was probably the most brutal show ive ever been to. Also have seen 25 Ta Life many times, and Rick the singer did not forget the lyrics, thats how he "sang"
I saw Madball when they were on tour with As I Lay Dying on the Shadows are Security tour in the early 2000s and they put onna great show.
I got into hardcore via bands like nuclear assault, birth ad and indeed agnostic front. Lateron i got into shit like converge's petitioning the empty sky and walls of jericho. On this moment im head over heels with code orange, vein, harms way (also got into hardcore via carcass and shit, nice transition to harms way), varials and knocked loose, stuff like that.
I was there .just about every Sunday hardcore matinee show at cbgb's. Mid to late 80s.great scene made lots of friends. Agnostic front and bad brains have to be the best bands of the time.
I've been getting into hardcore retroactively through Power Trip and Pig Destroyer. Stuff with the metal crunch but hardcore aggression.
Digging the fact that you have Jocko's "Extreme Ownership" next to a book on NYHC. The rest of the video was rad, thanks for the entertainment.
thanks finn for introducing me to this genre I hardly ever knew about this particular genre since I was not alive during this time and now I really like this sub genre thank you
" KRAUT was the first independent Punk, NYHC, band ever to be played in heavy rotation on MTV in 1981
They are so underrated. They are rarely mentioned even when people talk about the first era of NYHC.
This is true . If hardcore is a protein. Kraut IS a long chain amino (a large building block and imperative to it's existence)
MTV and Hardcore In 81 were two different universes.
kraut. (matinee 7")..fkn my girl at the matinee..classic raw n unparalleled single....he left out a lot early hc bands? but he's young guy compared to me...hc ..RIP So many fallen soilders ...
seems like some people need to go listen to the new york thrash comp to hear how it really started
We always called beat down hardcore “tuff guy hardcore” which I believe was the official name of that heavier sub genre. Bands like Skarhead, Mushmouth, Punishment, Hatebreed, Blood for Blood, Stout, Marauder, Madball, Integrity, Buried Alive/Terror, Death Before Dishonor, 100 Demons, Boxcutter, Comin Correct, Etown Concrete, Madball, Death Threat, etc. like the chuggier mushy parts usually played by street kids who had turned into grown men and were raised on the fast gritty hard as nails east coast of the late 70’s and 80’s.
I lived in the clubs in the 90s. Friends throughout this scene. You were very close but if you ever want to talk music I'm game. Right before this virus bs hit I went to madball who's still playing and went to see Ramallah and All Out War opened for them. I can talk first hand experience of clubs like QE2 and CBGB. Back then I had a lot of friends in some of those bands but I was loving the shit coming out of Boston like Sam Black Church. Your take on the scene was ok though. The groove thing really started in Troy NY though Troycore really fused HC and Groovemetal bands like Stigmata who were in that Biohazard video you played
What up man! Just subscribed the videos are all fuckn dope! This hits home way too much haha! More To Pride in the house much LOVE FROM LYNWOOD C.A!
I think people ask for you to do topics like this because they know you'll deliver a well researched and tact video. You put out quality man! It does help to be from the area so I get where you're coming from. Your fans just know you're the guy to deliver it!
Kraut, from New York, was doing the crossover thing long before Agnostic Front and The Cromags, and were heavily criticized for it.
LOL, no. Kraut were neither hardcore nor crossover. They were a melodic punk rock band which had more in common with Sex Pistols or Stiff Little Fingers than Agnostic Front or Cause For Alarm. Their last album was slightly metal influenced but that's not enough to be called crossover.
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Madball is still making great stuff to this day. Love their song The Fog with Tim Armstrong
As a teenager I wanted to find the toughest, roudiest, most intense moshpits and music possible - and I stumbled on New York hardcore.
When Sick of it All came to Australia around 2011 I hit the pit and it was one of those most bruising, awesome experiences ever (was probably one of the only women there). You don't just listen to hardcore, you survive it! Not for the faint of heart whatsoever.
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@@brysontrotman5865 haha. Get over yourself
Love how your shout out All Our War. And a tattoo from Chris