Don't Lose Your Heads! | SHOGUN [1x1] (REACTION)
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To give you some historical context, this is set during the European religious wars. Catholic Spain and Portugal are at war with Protestant England and Holland. Blackthorn is an English Pilot sailing a Dutch flagged ship.
Spain and Portugal were the first to discover the safe sailing route to the east and kept it secret giving them a trade monopoly.
Before the Taiko died, Japan invaded Korea but failed. This caused China to refuse trade with Japan. To get around this, the Portuguese act like middle men between Japan and China.
Japans need for Chinese silk caused them to give some concessions to the Portuguese in the form of Missionaries and Churches.
Not all Japanese leadership is favorable to the Christians especially because it brings loyalty into question. That's why Toranaga asked if Mariko would obey him or her God.
Toranaga doesn't know exactly what Blackthorn can do, but he recognizes him as a variable that could change his situation, so he's interested to see what he's about.
It's not the full context but should give you a better idea of what's going on.
1618 the Holy Roman Empire end up in the most destructive war in Europes history where protestants and catholics end up in a 30 year long war. So it was a lot of animosity between them all over Europe.
Yep , and on a personal level in the book Blackthornes father was killed by the Spanish , as a young man he fought against the Spanish Armada he also participated in a land battle in support of the Dutch rebels against the Spanish so he's got a lot of skin in the game .
One of the absolutely stupidest things in history is going to war over religion when both sides worship the same god.
@@TA3DArtist Politics were (and to a lesser extet probably still are) inextricably linked to Religion , so a struggle over religion was as much to do with political power as anything else .
@@TA3DArtist yes it is. Here we had 2 factions of the same religion at war. But christianity is one the three Abrahamic religions and all thee have butted heads.
FYI: whenever an Asian character is speaking to an European character they are speaking Portuguese even if we are hearing in English.
They're pulling some Warrior thingy with that style.
I watch in Portuguese so i hear in Portuguese
@@deanwinchesterbr5259 You watch people speak English being dubbed to Portuguese
Is that same for the Portuguese speaking to the japanese?
@@Randomyoutubecommenter Unless Blackthorn is speaking to his men, then they're speaking portugese.
The scene where Toranaga meets with the regents is one of the best scenes on tv I’ve seen in a while. The dramatic music building before the meeting, the tension, the subtleties, and the words spoken and unspoken. Amazing.
SHOGUN the book is one of the best I have ever read . EPIC
Yes, but I enjoyed Tai-Pan slightly more.
That one guy lost his head because a superior ordered him to step away and he disobeyed. Disobedience was not taken lightly back then.
Yeah Samurai could pretty much kill common people for almost any reason. In the original series a samurai beheads a man in a similar scene for not bowing to him quickly enough.
I saw the first two episodes last night, and I was blown away by how good it is. Epic.
The original miniseries was the shizz back in the day. Arguably the second best/most popular miniseries of the 80s (back when they were more of a thing) - second only to Roots.
@08:39
It was the popular hairstyle of the day, but for a reason:
1) balding or being bald was synonymous with being older, thus *WISER* which was revered in Asian culture.
2) the shaved head along with the topknot allowed for a more comfortable and functional fit for their battle helmets.
It was also a hairstyle that only samurai could wear. A ronin would be unable to wear this hairstyle as he has no master and if you were a samurai you HAD to cut your hair like this
You should both watch a short video FX put out called The World of Shogun: History & Backstory for a little bit of context.
gonna look into this!
I wouldn't think you'd guys would land on this show but glad to see you're giving it a shot.
The guy that played Rodriquez was in Lost as well.. He is a great actor
In the poem about the boiled man, he said his eyes were articulate. They spoke more than his incoherent screams. Chilling, and pretty sharp for an impromptu haiku.
This show rocks but like you guys with the GoT board, I had to make a google sheet with all the characters to organize who’s with who.
nah, it all came natural with the 2nd episode
I have never ever had to make a sheet with any show... Not with GoT, or this.. I don´t know why it´s so hard for people to remember faces and names.. Character trades. I really don´t. Maybe Im being harsh, or something... But sometimes, I think people just don´t pay enough attention.. Like, you must be thinking about all kinds of unrelated stuff, while you´re watching the show :S
@@gabrielp9646you are some people naturally find things like faces easier then others I personally cannot remember names for the life of me I have binged watched shows and could recall the entire show but not remember any names except 2 or 3
@@gabrielp9646I didn’t even remember John blackthorn until I heard it again in this video and unfortunately it’s not lack of paying attention it’s more that I zone out and just experience the show
@gabrielp9646 These things comes easier or harder to some, it's not some skill everyone has the same basic level with.
The Samurai had no choice but to beg to commit suicide and end his family line after what he did, which was a massive display of insult and disrespect despite his good intentions. Had he not begged to end himself and his family then and there, the alternative would have been to engage in all-out combat against the rival factions present, thus drawing the rest of his allies into battle with him as all would become targets.
This is based on a true story - writer James Clavell, to give himself some wiggle room in terms of creative license, changed all the names... ironically his book is a lot closer to actual history than a lot of historical fiction that claims to be accurate.
"I don't know what Shogun is"
The *Emperor* of Japan at this point in history had lost a lot of power over time. The position had become mostly ceremonial, his power was largely symbolic. The Regents (local feudal lords) ran their fiefs like kings themselves, paying a tribute to The Emperor, but not beholden to him in any meaningful way. His approval and support was useful for securing the support of other Regents, but ultimately, he couldn't give any of them direct orders. It was as if the lords were European kings and The Emperor was The Pope. The highest rank one of the Regents can achieve under The Emperor is "Shogun," The Emperor's Supreme Military Commander, which in real practical terms, would be the true seat of autocratic power. To achieve that rank, the Regent needs to secure the fealty of (annex or conquer) every other Regent in Japan, as a real Emperor would.
When Will Adams (Blackthorne) arrived in Japan, there was no Shogun. The contenders, the two most powerful Regents under The Emperor were Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga) and Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Ishido)
That peasant stepped out of his class hierarchy. Disobedience to one of a higher class, like a samurai, means harsh punishment.
Haven't read Shogun, yet. But I did some research on the author. Dude was an Austrailian soldier during WW2. Spent years in a Japanese POW camp and actually survived. The fact that he wrote a book about this is crazy. Can't wait to see more of this show.
I'm old enough to remember the first Shogun series so couldn't wait for this. I'm happy to see you doing this show.
James Clavell wrote Shogun to be as close to historical accuracy in terms of the culture and feel of the time period, etc, but he took the actual names of real historical figures he was writing about and he fictionalized them as an admission that he was about to be a little wild and loose with his storytelling. Also, as is the case with the 1600s, frequently records do not capture the story that spawns them. So Clavell is imagining for us, and creating alternate versions of well-known historical figures, and completely fictitious minor players to make the scenes come alive.
TL;DR - Historical accuracy is found in the setting and some of the more important characters, and the story aligns with historical milestones for accuracy, but does not limit itself to who and what actually was in the mix.
PERMISSION TO COMMIT SEPPUKU!!
"Dude, chill, calm down"
lol the reactions were hilarious.
Shogun is actually based on a real story, they just took real historical figures, changed their names to something else, and then tell the plot as history BASICALLY depicted it with some slight deviations from history for plot purposes.
For example, Toranaga IRL name is Tokugawa Ieyasu and almost all the other people have IRL names.
He was beheaded because he dared to ignore the request of the noble samurai.
I watched the original with my dad in the 80s on vhs tape.
Love your guys reactions absolutely hilarious
One of the protagonist was on The last samurai, he eas the one practicing with Tom Cruise
Loved your commentary! I look forward to your reactions of the rest of the series.
Fun fact there is an actor in Shogun who was recently in another movie about 2 years ago, 2021's mortal kombat live action movie, Hiroyuki Sanada he played scorpion
The 80s mini-series is one of my fondest TV memories from my teenage years.
watched the first 2 episodes last night! Its sooo good actually excited for the rest of this season
サムライが頭を剃っているのは、カブトを被った時に蒸れない様にです。すなわち、何時でも戦う準備が出来ているという事です。
James Clavell's novel, the basis for this show,is loosely based on real events that took place in 1600 Japan, the Torranaga character is based on Iusya Tokugawa
I loved your reaction!
Nestor Carbonell is not a Portuguese in this one either ;) hehe
It's way easier the second time you watch these episodes xD
I was a little confused the first time with all the names and places and whats going on haha
i get the benefit of editing and rewatching and getting a ton more details lol
Super réaction ❤ j’adore cette série 🎉
We might have a certified banger on our hands with this one.
Seppuku is basically taking your own life that is considered honorable in a feudal Japanese samurai class.
Basically taking your sword and piercing yourself fatally, while on your knees.
Great video😊
Show is awesome.
I can’t recommend the novel enough. It’s PHENOMENAL!
Really good show
28:58 RICHARD FROM LOST
Would be funny if that actually was Richard Alpert before getting stranded in the island lol
@@BrokenNoah the fact that it almost lines up too
This show is epic
The original adaptation starred Richard Burton (I think) and was a long miniseries in the 70s I think. I remember it being particularly good as well!
I don't remember who played Blackthorn in that one, but John Rhys-Davies definitely played Rodrigues!
Richard Chamberlain played Blackthorne in the original.
Ok, so I wasn't the only person to get a real Tom Hardy vibe from that guy?
It must suck going through life so utterly clueless about basic history.
Vasco Rodrigues played by Néstor Carbonell looks familiar Cody because he appeared in "Lost" as Richard Alpert.
Lord Yoshii Toranaga played by Hiroyuki Sanada also appeared in "Lost" as Dogen.
He also is the weatherman from The Morning Show
and Mayor Garcia in the Dark Knight & Batmanuel in the 2001 Tick series.
12:12 The previous film in 1980 also had this scene. Is it an epoch-making scene that must be inserted? It is an unpleasant scene.
Well this looks better than the 80s mini-series, but it's still soooooo different from the Book.
Still looking forward to the rest of it.
Fun facts from Japan🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
This drama called Shogun has crossed several skies and oceans, and has attracted so much attention in Japan, where the story takes place, that newspapers and magazine publishers have posted articles on the Internet, and many Japanese people are watching with interest.
In particular, everyone was surprised to read that Hiroyuki Sanada, who plays Toranaga, negotiated with an American drama production company to use a large number of Japanese and Japanese-Americans as actors, actresses, production staff, and art and scenery designers.
He is a very famous actor in Japan and one of the experienced actors who has been supporting Japanese period dramas for more than 57 years since he made his debut as an actor in a period drama at the age of 6 when he was still in the first grade of elementary school.
When many Japanese people saw the Japanese actors and actresses he selected for this drama, they said, "Wow, there are so many great actors and actresses here. They are all active and busy people in Japan, so how did he coordinate their schedules and bring them from Japan to the US? Hiroyuki Sanada's precision and execution in selecting these people is amazing." As he exclaimed with admiration, "It is amazing how he was able to coordinate his schedule and bring people from Japan to the U.S., even though they are all very busy and active in Japan.
The Japanese know him to be very strict with himself, honest and a perfectionist.
It would be quite difficult to try to produce such a drama with the same members and with the same quality in Japan, where everything tends to be done at a lower price to save money.
If it were in Japan, it would push the budget limits of film and drama companies. (In an effort to pay everyone a high salary.)
How much time and skill did Hiroyuki Sanada put into this drama with the highest level of Japanese traditional craftsmen? He has courage.
He made this choice because he truly loves Japanese historical dramas and Japanese culture.
That is why he was able to produce such a nostalgic and authentic Japanese period drama.
This would not have been possible in Japan.
He is truly a samurai.
That is why the atmosphere of the story really feels like the Japan of that time.
He is really strict with himself, honest and a perfectionist.
And he is not pessimistic, but courageous enough to face reality.
I have always been like that, but now that I have rediscovered this kind of his character, I like him more than ever.
I think he made a very wonderful decision.
In Japan, many Japanese appreciate and admire his decision in that way.
Oh, by the way, Anjin was a real European who visited Japan at that time, and there is a clear reason why the Japanese of this period are so strongly wary of Europeans.
There is a clear reason why the Japanese of this period were so wary of Europeans. Around the same time Anjin arrived in Japan, many missionaries from Europe came to Japan, inciting 60,000 Japanese to destroy and burn down 87 ancient Japanese temples and shrines.
They smashed all the decorations, statues, and altars of the temples and shrines, knocked them to the ground, tied them with ropes, dragged them around, and spat on them.
Wooden altars and statues were cut into small pieces, disassembled, and reused as large quantities of firewood for use in the kitchens of the seminaries and priests' houses built by the missionaries.
Many ancient Japanese temples and shrines that had been majestic and beautiful were burned down by order of the missionaries.
Gold and silver used to decorate temples and shrines were sent to the missionaries' countries of origin and reused as decoration for European royal palaces and churches.
Eventually, their movement turned into a massive uprising by the largest Christian population in Japan, which became a major historical event with the occupation of a huge castle and a series of fierce battles.
At the same time, European missionaries, merchants, and sailors were cooperating with each other to buy Japanese civilians from various parts of Japan and send them to Europe as slaves.
(The Portuguese missionary Luis Frois proudly described the details of these incidents in his own book titled A History of Japan.)
These incidents, perpetrated by European missionaries, merchants, and sailors, brought the fear of the Japanese people to an all-time low.
As a result, Japan decided to cancel most of its contacts with the rest of the world and closed itself off from the rest of the world for more than two hundred years.
That peaceful time ended when a number of American warships chasing whales, a luxury item in Europe and America at the time, suddenly appeared in Tokyo Bay and fired 100 rounds of blanks into the Japanese capital.
Japan was once again turned into a land where American and European merchants peddled powerful weapons, wreaking havoc and sparking a series of large-scale civil wars in various regions.
And in World War II, "Japan has many areas with deep snow. You know how hard it is because the U.S. and Europe have also experienced a great cold wave many times. Please share your gas and oil.We will pay the price. We promise. I swear it.Please help us." The U.S. and European countries rejected Japan's request.
And at the end of the war, many American and European warplanes flew in and most parts of Japan were burnt to the ground.
The U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, a large city in the center of the city where traditional Japanese sweets and paintings were exhibited, a shopping district, and a kindergarten were located, destroying the metropolis.
This was one man, a U.S. congressman and minister, and a group of soldiers told the president, "There are no civilians in that Japanese town. It is a completely fortified military city filled with several military factories. It is the best place to test new American weapons. So please allow us to use it, Mr. President." And that was the result of everyone's lying reports and persuasion.
The U.S. also destroyed a large city in Nagasaki when it dropped an atomic bomb on the heads of Japanese Christians who had remained faithful to their faith while they were celebrating mass in their church.
So many Japanese died.
Far more Japanese people lost their lives at the request of people overseas than are now dead in Gaza or Ukraine.
So from a Japanese perspective, this story is not about European glory and success.
It is a story about the beginning of a history of Japanese suffering that has continued throughout this period and continues to this day.
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@@mumfromouterspace
あ、同じ日本人の方もいらしたんですね。
つい癖で長文を書いちゃってすみません。
I'm hooked this show is great so far!
The term "Shogun" is basically the top general/military ruler of the country. In medieval Japan, many warlords were fighting for influence and territory, and gaining the title of Shogun would make him the de facto ruler of Japan.
Always funny to watch reactors who know NOTHING about the time period.
I love your channel but this reaction seems like to much talking and not enough listening to whats going on, anyway love you guys.
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A paysant not obeying a samourai have the same fate as a paysant not obeing a noble in france , spain or england at the same time you had the right of life and death on people at that time (noble vs church vs third party-state (meaning paysants).
but in europe the killing was reduce over the ages and the church was a big part of that but japanese at that time take rule to the letter .
The act of the men to propose sepukku of him and his line could seem stupid for a independant person that think about himslef , its a gesture very comon to lay your life for your lord , his honor his lands etc ...
and in japan if you commit sepuku its an imediate forced forgiveness to prevent further problem or bloodshed or shame .
The daimyo ( toranaga ) is the highest figure, so shame him in public against other leaders ... is the worst , so he had to propose his life at a minimum and his line as a sign of respect and to be sure is enough to clean the shame .
its rooted in the culture but it also save many lives :
do you attack someone who have people ready to die for him ?
its save many war , disputes , and show the strengh of the daimyo , protecting his country , his honnor etc ...
a samourai without honnor bringing shame makes you look weak and your fiefdom whould soon be taken and all your land put to death .
So its stupid yes but at that time it was not !
And trading hostages is a very comon thing to prevent wars too ^^ .
dude is budget size Tom Hardy!!
I watch you guys, but I’d enjoy your videos more if your commentary during the reaction was more insightful towards the content and less comedy work during 😊
15:20 That's boiling. Boiling water. Not fun.
The amount of people that are blown away from this show points to me that reading books is like a dead art for most people. Sad.
I tried this show but it was way too much reading. Your eyes have to be focused on the screen at all times for dialogue. Working too hard for a tv show lol.
Please never watch TV again. It’s thanks to people like you that shows today are half-baked garbage.
you gotta be really stupid to not be able to cope with subtitles lmao
Yo this dude is talking way too much
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I hate multiple language tv shows, fucking stupid!
Bro u r not funny stop yapping too much
Speak for yourself. I just subbed because I found these two had the best commentary for their reaction. I laughed throughout!
I've seen a lot of comments saying that this show is like Game of Thrones but in Japan. Its not that at all. The acting in this show is terrible. The Shogun mini series from 1980 was much better than this crap.
I mean...everyone is entitled to their opinion but u realise ur the only one saying this right? People are praising this series so much ESPECIALLY bc of the acting lol
Acting terrible? I really hope you are just trolling or just a kid.