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George R R Martin loved this book when he was young and took lots of inspiration when writing a song of ice and fire, you can see a lot of similarities between both pilot episodes! King Robert/Taiko offering Ned/Toranaga to rule until the heir is of age on their deathbed, being the only honorable one and being suspected of going against the heir. However Ned was a naive and somewhat a dumb lord compared to Toranaga.
@@thomasjones4570 What a terrible boomer take lol, the new one is better written, and acted and produced. Don't be fooled by nostalgia, the quality is miles ahead in every aspect. And it treats the Japanese like actual main characters and not like comedic side characters. If you actually value authenticity this one is waaaaay more accurate to how it was back then. It's actually incredible how well crafted it is. Just ask the Japanese which version they prefer, that should tell you enough.. Come back to this comment next year, I guarantee this will win a lot more than 3 emmy 😅 (my guess is 5-6)
@@thomasjones4570 You are so so wrong.... Literally you have no idea what you are talking about. I loved the Richard Chamberlain show. But this version was absolutely magnificent. Yes the perspective shifts a little to the Japanese, but that made the show more rounded.
The samurai could kill with Impunity. They were completely loyal to their lord and honour was quite literally everything. The Portuguese held Japan for a long while and as with their catholic doctrine tried to convert the Japanese to Christianity. The Jesuits were the strongarm of the catholic faith.... But to the Japanese of the time duty to ones lord would always come before religion. At the time Japanese were mostly either Buddhist or Shinto religion
18:17 The reason for the beheading was because the peasant was told to back away by one of the leaders and didn’t listen. One thing you’ll have to keep in mind for this show is honor, duty, and respect rule above all else in this culture.
@@appocalypsechild yes they committed seppuku for disgracing their leaders because it’s only about power lol obviously the people at the top want power and to keep it but the foundation of the culture is built upon honor and legacy
@@appocalypsechild you trying to view the actions of a people from the 1600s through the lens of modern day western culture is cute. It’s clear you’re intentionally missing my points so i’ll just leave it at that.
Peasants were also not considered fully human and Japan at the time was divided into an extremely strict caste system that placed zero value on the lives of people at the bottom of that system.
This is fiction and I don't think the scriptwriter has thought about it that deeply. To be honest, this scene doesn't really make any sense. The barbarism was simply emphasized in order to exaggerate the exoticism of Japan.
35:21 - "I have more than one heart." Such a beautiful line...I was listening to the official Shogun podcast and they talked about how the show's writers wrote the show in English, then the dialogue went to experts who translated the dialogue into 17th century Japanese, then the Japanese would be translated back to English for the sub-titles. The sub-titled line, "I have more than one heart." was a surprise to the original writers (they didn't write it that way) but they saw it and loved it!
This show was so good. I never really figured out what was going to happen next, and I usually do. It immerses you in another culture and world, and I loved it. Next level writing. Great show!
14:28 This is the first reaction I watch of *_Shōgun,_* and it's amazing to see all the subtext you pick up in the dialogue when you have already seen the show.
This show is absolutely incredible I'm really glad you guys are watching. This show is based on a book and the book is loosely based on actual historical events.
38:28 - "Damn...these three. Destiny about them." I noticed in the last shot of the episode, as Toranaga, Blackthorne and Mariko come together for the first time, the camera pans down to show the family crest on the back of Toranaga's robes. It is the crest of the Tokugawa clan (*) made up of three hollyhock leaves, perhaps representing the three main protagonists of the show. (*) Toranaga is based on the historic figure Ieyasu Tokugawa. The triple hollyhock crest is historically accurate (I recognized it from my experience reading Japanese manga. LOL.)
Having finished watching the series, I can say I loved Shogun! Even now that it's over, I keep going back in my mind and re-thinking things that happened. There is so much complexity to everyone's actions and motivations. I'm definitely going to give the series a proper re-watch!
Hiroyuki Sanada-san is a freaking legend 🙇♂️ thank the gods for him bringing this piece of media back into the world 🙌🔥🍻 and his ancestry is actually linked to samurai going back like 10 generations 🤯
AUSSIES!!!!! :) Just some notes about the young samurai, Tadayoshi, committing himself and his son to death for speaking up and embarrassing his lord. it may have seemed extreme (and it was!) but he actually committed multiple offences punishable by death. #1: He stepped foot into the council of regents' meeting room without permission which was violation of strict hierarchical rules. #2: Drawing one's sword inside the castle's walls (even half-way) with anger or aggression was forbidden and a direct threat to both the safety and authority of the lords present, which in this case was the 4 most important lords in the country. #3: Challenging the behaviour/words of a lord would be viewed as profoundly disrespectful to ALL lords present as the social hierarchy maintains its overall stability through honour and decorum. This is why Toranaga's response was always so polite. While very uncommon, in extreme cases of dishonor, a samurai might offer to extend the act of seppuku to his family, including his male child, to fully atone for the perceived disgrace and to remove the stain from his family line. This drastic measure would underscore the severity of the offense and the samurai’s profound commitment to restoring honor. Ultimately, it is up to the lord to accept or deny the request. Tadayoshi told his wife Fuji that the order came from his lord so we know Toranaga accepted. As to why he accepted? Again, to maintain decorum. If decorum is lost, then it is anarchy/war. Enjoyed watching with you. Cheers from Bris Vegas! ;)
Yaaaay nice! Great journey guys, happy to watch it from you aswell. Hiroyuki Sanada is not only playing a lead role, he is also a producer in this one! Great guy indeed. Have fun you two!
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Hiroyuki also appeared when other actors was practicing, to ensure they got it right. Also he payed 100 times more for the extras, to ensure that they would play their roles correctly. That's why the final result got so good. I'll like to see their reaction throughout the episodes. A thing that people tend to forget is that Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and the sun is the thing that gives the sky its colors, and there's an interesting sky's color to come.
I have been waiting for your reaction to this. Such a great show and worth at least a second watch through to pick up all the details and costuming hints you miss the first time around.
*BOLD PREDICTION!:* Spartan will be disappointed by Shōgun by its end. And IF I am wrong, which I am happy to be, then that is great news! Because if Spartan enjoys Shōgun, and is satisfied by its ending, then he & Pudgy can totally handle _Better Call Saul,_ which has more WTF moments.
What the guy said after the episode is 100% One of the things that I was surprised the most about this show, is how the manage to make so many dialogues trough eyes/smiles. Is incredible how much their facial expression can say without saying a word. And the show plays a lot with that and its incredible fun.
Just as good? No, they completely botched and miscast the roles of both Blackthorne and Mariko, two out of the three main characters of the narrative. It's like "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" There are other things, like being filmed in Canada during winter instead of in Japan but the mis-handling of the characters is enough.
The LAst Kingdom was my Game Of Thrones bandaid lol.....this one is also now too lol damn FX really came out with 2 back to back masterpieces with THE BEAR and Shogun.
18:15 He was told to back off by his “superior”, he didn't and continued to block the path by praying. That is what beheading was for. 18:45 Notice how translator priest says it is a peaceful Portuguese(!) settlement, and how Blackthorne says "catholic treasury" and that they "will be all over this country"
Really appreciate you guys pronounce shogun correctly as 'sho-goon', unlike all the other reactors who insist on saying it 'sho-gone'. Even when we can hear clearly how the Japanese pronounce the word throughout the show.
You should put your own beliefs aside. Duty, honor , loyalty. These are whats important. I also find that taking one's own or other life is taken much easier than what we are used to.
I literally watched this whole show, then went back and watched the version from the 70s. This version is so much better- the characters have so much more depth in this version. I was amazed how the two versions could follow the same overall plot yet be so different.
This show is so ridiculously good. It came out of absolutely nowhere and ended up being a top 6 show all-time for me in just 1 season. Also hoping for Dark reactions (#2 all-time for me) after HotD/The Boys is finished.
It is well done but some of the acting is a little wooden. Some of the performances are so good, the bad ones in contrast stand out. Some of the cinematography and framing is pretty bad sprinkled with some fantastic shots so also a little inconsistent. Definitely a great show but I think it is a little overhyped as one of the best television shows ever, maybe it just stands out because most television today is so poorly produced from what I call the comic book generation of filmmakers and show runners who too often are too showy and seem to not understand the basics of visual storytelling. Maybe they just have too many tools and feel they need to use everything and try to fill their shots with so much that they almost try too hard to be impressive versus using the story to direct their direction. No subtly, just trying to blow everyone away with every frame, the artistry is knowing when to dial it back and let the story lead the choices.
@@thomasjones4570lmfao the original is nowhere near as good as this. Not even in the same galaxy. No one needed to see the anjin teaching toranaga how to do the damn hustle 😂 only pretentious hipster tools who have never seen the original think it's better.
I would argue this series is something wholly different from GoT. I would say it's more akin to Band of Brothers in that it's a super-well, highly produced, masterpiece of a mini-series with amazing writing, effects, and acting.
Quick historical background: the yr 1600: Western European Christianity is fractured. Protestant Europe (Egland Holland Germany eg) and Catholic Europe (Spain Portugal etc) are divided in faith and trade. The Spanish and Portuguese have didvided non European world amongst themselves to build empire and trade. Blackthorne an Englishman, a pilot sailing for the Dutch is a privateer...the crew have official permission to capture and hinder Catholic merchant shipping. Blackthorne is based on William Adam the 1st Englishman to set foot on Japanese soil. The Portuguese have established trading ports in Japan and have been able to convert some of the locals to Catholicism like Mariko sama etc. Fuji sama's husband must kill his entire line ie son and then end himself for the insult he committed at the council meeting. Hope that helps set the scene... Edit: the Japanese word for pilot is Anjin, which becomes Blackthornes name. The first episode of any show and indeed this episode is a pilot called Anjin...I thought that was pretty clever....
And the events depicted are loosely based on the actual history of Japan which eventually led to Tokugawa Ieyasu becoming Shogun, and his family holding that title until the Meiji restauration in the latter part of the 19th century.
I want to expand upon the outburst in court. It wasn't just an insult. The man almost started a bloodbath and war in the middle of that session. That's why an apology in death was accepted.
You mentioned that you got Game of Thrones vibes from this story. Be aware that the book this is based on pre-dates the first Game of Thrones book by 20 years. So it might be more accurate to reverse that.
40:01 yes, the music, as well as the costumes and sets, are totally awesome. If you get a chance, listen to the OST, it's beautiful! It took the composers 2 years to write.
Remember England was at war with Spain and Portugal in the year 1600. Spain had become the richest country in Europe after conquering the Aztec Indians of Mexico and stealing Aztec gold.
The aztecs stole and enslaved and kidnapped and pilalged and treated the other native nations and groups around them terribly. What goes around comes around.
Man I watched episode 1 last night because I love seeing you both react to shows. We’re you both surprised to see that weird cuckled scene between the uncle that young maybe 17-20 kid and that I’m guessing Japanese pleasure girl.
A little history the Japanese did have muskets and cannons at this point ( a few samurai had muskets before they raided the ship in the beginning) but blackthorn and his men had newer better muskets and cannons
They introduced the show as a Japanese GOT, which got a lot of people watching, myself including. This is a good show, but it's an almost entirely different show than GOT in every way. We gotta let that one go lol
One small request/suggestion - Not sure if there is anything you can do about it in future videos but the image of the show is quite small and the sub-titles are not easy to read (especially if watching on a phone or tablet).
@SpartanandPudgey So glad you are delving into this incredible show. It’s based on the 1975 book & is a remake of the groundbreaking 1980 tv mini series which was one of the first truly epic tv shows which are common today. Also the book & 1980 show were culturally important as it piqued more interest in Japanese history & culture which in the 70’s was basically some household name brands like Sony, Honda & Toyota to Western audiences. Sushi, karate, anime, etc weren’t ubiquitous & widespread to US & English speaking nations as they are today. So this show had really big shoes to fill. They didn’t just meet expectations they surpassed them with this masterful remake. Everything from the sets to the costumes to the cinematography are top notch but it’s the great story & incredible acting that ties it all together & makes it so visceral & emotional. By the way I noticed your mailing address is in the state of Victoria. As Aussies, you two should have great pride in the hugely influential & groundbreaking Mad Max franchise written by the mad scientist director George Miller. I don’t know if you two live in Melbourne but Mad Max 1 was filmed around Melbourne & The Road Warrior or Mad Mad 2 was shot at Broken Hill (I think it’s part of NSW) which is north & slightly west of Melbourne. I don’t believe you two have seen any of the Mad Max movies which had a huge hand in creating the post-apocalyptic movie genre. There were 3 Mad Max films in the 70’s-80’s & the 2 new ones. The backstory to 2015’s Fury Road is actualky incredible because it was delayed for years but became an instant classic & one of the best films ever. George Miller has been one of the most important filmmakers & Australian filmmakers who put the nascent Australian tv & film industry on the map, so to speak. After you react to Shogun, I think you two should journey into the Mad Max world which heavily influenced Fallout. As Aussies, George Miller & Mad Max should be a huge point of pride for you. I don’t think you guys have reacted to them yet, but maybe I’m wrong. Just my humble suggestion & request. Enjoy the ride that is Shogun. 🙂👍
28:32 Historically, and to this day, many professional sailors can't swim. Better to drown quickly than tread water for a half a day and then drown anyways.
This show is very down to earth and it shows a side of samurai that is not what we are used to: Samurai were allowed to kill anyone who disrespect them, they abused their power, not all of them were the honorable warriors that we like to consume in the western. Any Japanese can tell ya that the honorable Samurai was true but also exagerated because we loved that in the west.
The best TV show I've watched in a while. Really excellent and is historically accurate for the most part, outside of some names and some other details, which is an amalgamation of different things and traditions/time periods. No complaints on that though, as it is television, not a documentary.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this to you, but this isn't the first TV version of Shogun, in the original miniseries/movie of this show, "Rodriguez" was played by the same actor that played Gimli in The Lord of the Rings - and he did such an AMAZING job in the original Shogun series, amazing actor.
Sanada San's SHOGUN is such an amazing series. I read the show was reviewed a second time (the script) because it was not deemed good enough, and finally settled on the final version for Season 1 that ended. Guys - i honestly wish there are more than 10 episodes just so they can squeeze in more of the book...because as we know adaptations certainly take liberties at the expense of something due to budget / time. Nevertheless...all the episodes are beautiful. Cinematography top shelf. I've never felt like that since the very best parts of GOT (insert your fav / most impactful / emotional season & episode). I wish i get to experience it all over again, fresh ! Believe me you guys will be at the edge of your seats.
Hello. My name is Sho, and I am Japanese. I just wanted to suggest you guys read the book Shogun by John Clavelle. It's quite good, but it's not historically accurate. Basically Portugal was a bunch of assholes back in the day, they started the slave trade in africa, they started a bunch of wars trying to spread the catholic church throughout the world. The main character in Shogun is supposed to be from the Dutch East India Trading Company, and the navigator "pilot" is an Englishman working for them. He's supposed to be the only English guy among a group of Dutch. He becomes more sophisticated learning Japanese culture, and later comes to hate his own men, seeing them as savages. The guy who's supposed to represent Tokugawa in this series, he wants to learn from the english guy about naval warfare and shipbuilding, so that he can create a navy and conquer china and unite all of Japan.
It's interesting watching you here, in the early part of the show - you haven't adjusted yet to where the show is. Blackthorn is in an alien world, no different to if this was an episode of Star Trek. He - and you, and me when I first watched it - hasn't got ANYTHING in common with these people. They don't share the most basic ideas of life and morals. Things that you and I and he think are obvious, fundamental, beyond argument, are just completely unknown to the Japanese. Killing yourself and your child for shaming your lord is an honourable act, to them (as much as we find it horrific). You'll get it, don't worry - you'll come to see how they think and feel. And it's a fascinating journey. Toronaga is Ned Stark, if Ned had an actual fucking clue about how the game is played.
So glad you guys are watching this show!! Its not as good as the book but its still fucking great!! Must be a great way to spend your time (and for me to enjoy your reactions) until House of the Dragon season 2 comes out!
This is giving us Game Of Thrones vibes and we absolutely love it. We are so ready for this
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George R R Martin loved this book when he was young and took lots of inspiration when writing a song of ice and fire, you can see a lot of similarities between both pilot episodes!
King Robert/Taiko offering Ned/Toranaga to rule until the heir is of age on their deathbed, being the only honorable one and being suspected of going against the heir.
However Ned was a naive and somewhat a dumb lord compared to Toranaga.
@@thomasjones4570 What a terrible boomer take lol, the new one is better written, and acted and produced.
Don't be fooled by nostalgia, the quality is miles ahead in every aspect. And it treats the Japanese like actual main characters and not like comedic side characters.
If you actually value authenticity this one is waaaaay more accurate to how it was back then. It's actually incredible how well crafted it is.
Just ask the Japanese which version they prefer, that should tell you enough..
Come back to this comment next year, I guarantee this will win a lot more than 3 emmy 😅 (my guess is 5-6)
@@thomasjones4570 You are so so wrong.... Literally you have no idea what you are talking about. I loved the Richard Chamberlain show. But this version was absolutely magnificent. Yes the perspective shifts a little to the Japanese, but that made the show more rounded.
The samurai could kill with Impunity. They were completely loyal to their lord and honour was quite literally everything. The Portuguese held Japan for a long while and as with their catholic doctrine tried to convert the Japanese to Christianity. The Jesuits were the strongarm of the catholic faith.... But to the Japanese of the time duty to ones lord would always come before religion. At the time Japanese were mostly either Buddhist or Shinto religion
@@Quzga Spot on!!! Well said!
18:17 The reason for the beheading was because the peasant was told to back away by one of the leaders and didn’t listen. One thing you’ll have to keep in mind for this show is honor, duty, and respect rule above all else in this culture.
But just like everywhere else it's respect for your Betters and that's not returned.
@@appocalypsechild yes they committed seppuku for disgracing their leaders because it’s only about power lol obviously the people at the top want power and to keep it but the foundation of the culture is built upon honor and legacy
@@appocalypsechild you trying to view the actions of a people from the 1600s through the lens of modern day western culture is cute.
It’s clear you’re intentionally missing my points so i’ll just leave it at that.
Peasants were also not considered fully human and Japan at the time was divided into an extremely strict caste system that placed zero value on the lives of people at the bottom of that system.
This is fiction and I don't think the scriptwriter has thought about it that deeply.
To be honest, this scene doesn't really make any sense.
The barbarism was simply emphasized in order to exaggerate the exoticism of Japan.
35:21 - "I have more than one heart." Such a beautiful line...I was listening to the official Shogun podcast and they talked about how the show's writers wrote the show in English, then the dialogue went to experts who translated the dialogue into 17th century Japanese, then the Japanese would be translated back to English for the sub-titles. The sub-titled line, "I have more than one heart." was a surprise to the original writers (they didn't write it that way) but they saw it and loved it!
How did they write it originally?
This show was so good. I never really figured out what was going to happen next, and I usually do. It immerses you in another culture and world, and I loved it. Next level writing. Great show!
14:28 This is the first reaction I watch of *_Shōgun,_* and it's amazing to see all the subtext you pick up in the dialogue when you have already seen the show.
This show is absolutely incredible I'm really glad you guys are watching.
This show is based on a book and the book is loosely based on actual historical events.
38:28 - "Damn...these three. Destiny about them." I noticed in the last shot of the episode, as Toranaga, Blackthorne and Mariko come together for the first time, the camera pans down to show the family crest on the back of Toranaga's robes. It is the crest of the Tokugawa clan (*) made up of three hollyhock leaves, perhaps representing the three main protagonists of the show.
(*) Toranaga is based on the historic figure Ieyasu Tokugawa. The triple hollyhock crest is historically accurate (I recognized it from my experience reading Japanese manga. LOL.)
It's 6:13am here and I am so stoked to see y'all reacting to Shogun 🎉🎉
The only complaint is i can’t blink or i miss words and that’s more on my part, that’s legit it 😂🍿Masterpiece
They have dubbed version i believe, but that takes away from the part translation being a big part of the show.
Blink when they aren’t talking
Practice makes perfect remember lol
Reading comprehension is so vital
Yeah as stated they have English dubbed so the actors them selves speak in English
Having finished watching the series, I can say I loved Shogun! Even now that it's over, I keep going back in my mind and re-thinking things that happened. There is so much complexity to everyone's actions and motivations. I'm definitely going to give the series a proper re-watch!
Cosmo Jarvis' ( Blackthorn) rants/insults/one liners are the best. No idea how he did them with a straight face, I want bloopers
It reminds me of Firefly.
Hiroyuki Sanada-san is a freaking legend 🙇♂️ thank the gods for him bringing this piece of media back into the world 🙌🔥🍻 and his ancestry is actually linked to samurai going back like 10 generations 🤯
AUSSIES!!!!! :) Just some notes about the young samurai, Tadayoshi, committing himself and his son to death for speaking up and embarrassing his lord. it may have seemed extreme (and it was!) but he actually committed multiple offences punishable by death. #1: He stepped foot into the council of regents' meeting room without permission which was violation of strict hierarchical rules. #2: Drawing one's sword inside the castle's walls (even half-way) with anger or aggression was forbidden and a direct threat to both the safety and authority of the lords present, which in this case was the 4 most important lords in the country. #3: Challenging the behaviour/words of a lord would be viewed as profoundly disrespectful to ALL lords present as the social hierarchy maintains its overall stability through honour and decorum. This is why Toranaga's response was always so polite. While very uncommon, in extreme cases of dishonor, a samurai might offer to extend the act of seppuku to his family, including his male child, to fully atone for the perceived disgrace and to remove the stain from his family line. This drastic measure would underscore the severity of the offense and the samurai’s profound commitment to restoring honor. Ultimately, it is up to the lord to accept or deny the request. Tadayoshi told his wife Fuji that the order came from his lord so we know Toranaga accepted. As to why he accepted? Again, to maintain decorum. If decorum is lost, then it is anarchy/war. Enjoyed watching with you. Cheers from Bris Vegas! ;)
Yaaaay nice! Great journey guys, happy to watch it from you aswell.
Hiroyuki Sanada is not only playing a lead role, he is also a producer in this one! Great guy indeed.
Have fun you two!
Hiroyuki also appeared when other actors was practicing, to ensure they got it right.
Also he payed 100 times more for the extras, to ensure that they would play their roles correctly.
That's why the final result got so good.
I'll like to see their reaction throughout the episodes.
A thing that people tend to forget is that Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and the sun is the thing that gives the sky its colors, and there's an interesting sky's color to come.
New show. Let's see how stunningly and spectacularly wrong Spartan can be with Shogun. Great show.
The actor who played Yabushige played Kakihara in Ichi the Killer - legend.
Ichi the killer enjoyer 🥂
He also played one of the Warriors Three in the MCU.
Insane range lol
I have been waiting for your reaction to this. Such a great show and worth at least a second watch through to pick up all the details and costuming hints you miss the first time around.
HAHAHA LETS GOOOOO
You guys have been starting all my favourite series recently 😂😂😂😂
The television version of a tense, beautiful poem.
*BOLD PREDICTION!:* Spartan will be disappointed by Shōgun by its end. And IF I am wrong, which I am happy to be, then that is great news! Because if Spartan enjoys Shōgun, and is satisfied by its ending, then he & Pudgy can totally handle _Better Call Saul,_ which has more WTF moments.
I agree. Many viewers were disappointed, they missed the whole point I think...
Cant agree more on this comment.
Both shows ended perfectly but yet people keep yapping about it.
@@darcypenn6702 I would agree that if someone was disappointed by the ending they missed the point of the show and story.
Jonathan Breathmore and Toranougou :))
You two are like some sort of randomized fantasy-name creator when you start a new show.
What the guy said after the episode is 100% One of the things that I was surprised the most about this show, is how the manage to make so many dialogues trough eyes/smiles. Is incredible how much their facial expression can say without saying a word. And the show plays a lot with that and its incredible fun.
there is a samurai saying: "Duty, heavy as a mountain; Death, as light as a feather." looking forward to your reactions to the rest of the episodes.
Shogun is an excellent book and TV series back in 1980. Both were excellent. This one is much more brutal and graphic. But just as good.
Just as good? No, they completely botched and miscast the roles of both Blackthorne and Mariko, two out of the three main characters of the narrative. It's like "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" There are other things, like being filmed in Canada during winter instead of in Japan but the mis-handling of the characters is enough.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS! Soooo excited to watch you guys go on this journey
The LAst Kingdom was my Game Of Thrones bandaid lol.....this one is also now too lol
damn FX really came out with 2 back to back masterpieces with THE BEAR and Shogun.
Love that you're watching this! Onboard for this journey, too.
I’m so glad you guys are reacting to this series. You’re in for a real good treat. The writing, the acting, the production, are all top notch.
So happy you're watching this! I just thought this show was beautiful, and the dialogue itself is as much the action, which not many shows achieve.
absolutely ♥ this show! Watched this and Godzilla Minus 1 earlier this year a bit before our 10 day trip to Japan
HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THIS?! Damn two days ago and this was my most anticipated show for y'all to watch
The show is based on a book thats based on all real people and mostly real events. The real life blackthorn was william adams
This show was genuinely fantastic
Ayyy you guys will love the writing!
You will love this! Some amazing scenery characters, and intense moments in this series. Can't wait for this journey 🙌🏽 ❤
18:15 He was told to back off by his “superior”, he didn't and continued to block the path by praying. That is what beheading was for.
18:45 Notice how translator priest says it is a peaceful Portuguese(!) settlement, and how Blackthorne says "catholic treasury" and that they "will be all over this country"
Really appreciate you guys pronounce shogun correctly as 'sho-goon', unlike all the other reactors who insist on saying it 'sho-gone'. Even when we can hear clearly how the Japanese pronounce the word throughout the show.
Now Spartan just has to learn how to say "seppuku" correctly. :D
Hope you guys also watch the Japanese version of The Ring. That's where I first discovered Sanada
You should put your own beliefs aside. Duty, honor , loyalty. These are whats important. I also find that taking one's own or other life is taken much easier than what we are used to.
I literally watched this whole show, then went back and watched the version from the 70s. This version is so much better- the characters have so much more depth in this version. I was amazed how the two versions could follow the same overall plot yet be so different.
Best program on TV this year!
This show is so ridiculously good. It came out of absolutely nowhere and ended up being a top 6 show all-time for me in just 1 season. Also hoping for Dark reactions (#2 all-time for me) after HotD/The Boys is finished.
Its a remake...and its not near as good as the original.
@@thomasjones4570 I doubt the original is better but hey man opinions are cool.
It is well done but some of the acting is a little wooden. Some of the performances are so good, the bad ones in contrast stand out. Some of the cinematography and framing is pretty bad sprinkled with some fantastic shots so also a little inconsistent. Definitely a great show but I think it is a little overhyped as one of the best television shows ever, maybe it just stands out because most television today is so poorly produced from what I call the comic book generation of filmmakers and show runners who too often are too showy and seem to not understand the basics of visual storytelling. Maybe they just have too many tools and feel they need to use everything and try to fill their shots with so much that they almost try too hard to be impressive versus using the story to direct their direction. No subtly, just trying to blow everyone away with every frame, the artistry is knowing when to dial it back and let the story lead the choices.
@@thomasjones4570lmfao the original is nowhere near as good as this. Not even in the same galaxy. No one needed to see the anjin teaching toranaga how to do the damn hustle 😂 only pretentious hipster tools who have never seen the original think it's better.
Good shout on dark! Top 3 for me behind got and Vikings
You are going to LOVE this show, it is poetry .... the acting and especially the writing are outstanding.
I would argue this series is something wholly different from GoT. I would say it's more akin to Band of Brothers in that it's a super-well, highly produced, masterpiece of a mini-series with amazing writing, effects, and acting.
Quick historical background: the yr 1600: Western European Christianity is fractured. Protestant Europe (Egland Holland Germany eg) and Catholic Europe (Spain Portugal etc) are divided in faith and trade.
The Spanish and Portuguese have didvided non European world amongst themselves to build empire and trade.
Blackthorne an Englishman, a pilot sailing for the Dutch is a privateer...the crew have official permission to capture and hinder Catholic merchant shipping.
Blackthorne is based on William Adam the 1st Englishman to set foot on Japanese soil.
The Portuguese have established trading ports in Japan and have been able to convert some of the locals to Catholicism like Mariko sama etc.
Fuji sama's husband must kill his entire line ie son and then end himself for the insult he committed at the council meeting. Hope that helps set the scene...
Edit: the Japanese word for pilot is Anjin, which becomes Blackthornes name. The first episode of any show and indeed this episode is a pilot called Anjin...I thought that was pretty clever....
And the events depicted are loosely based on the actual history of Japan which eventually led to Tokugawa Ieyasu becoming Shogun, and his family holding that title until the Meiji restauration in the latter part of the 19th century.
I want to expand upon the outburst in court. It wasn't just an insult. The man almost started a bloodbath and war in the middle of that session. That's why an apology in death was accepted.
YES! Great series... You gonna love it, guys!
You mentioned that you got Game of Thrones vibes from this story. Be aware that the book this is based on pre-dates the first Game of Thrones book by 20 years. So it might be more accurate to reverse that.
Loving your reactions already. Excited for you guys!
40:01 yes, the music, as well as the costumes and sets, are totally awesome. If you get a chance, listen to the OST, it's beautiful! It took the composers 2 years to write.
This reboot does the original justice and some. The original starred Richard Chamberlain as John Blackthorne and Yoko Shimada as Mariko.
Remember England was at war with Spain and Portugal in the year 1600. Spain had become the richest country in Europe after conquering the Aztec Indians of Mexico and stealing Aztec gold.
Gold was stolen indeed but the true rich of Nueva España came from the silver mines, it completely shaped the economy of Europe and it's colonies
@@marcoreyes582 Sucre in Bolivia being the mother lode
The aztecs stole and enslaved and kidnapped and pilalged and treated the other native nations and groups around them terribly. What goes around comes around.
Portugal had been taken over by the Spanish at the time
Man I watched episode 1 last night because I love seeing you both react to shows. We’re you both surprised to see that weird cuckled scene between the uncle that young maybe 17-20 kid and that I’m guessing Japanese pleasure girl.
A little history the Japanese did have muskets and cannons at this point ( a few samurai had muskets before they raided the ship in the beginning) but blackthorn and his men had newer better muskets and cannons
YESSSSSS!
Best show in years.
They introduced the show as a Japanese GOT, which got a lot of people watching, myself including. This is a good show, but it's an almost entirely different show than GOT in every way. We gotta let that one go lol
Since I’m part Japanese I always get seppuku jokes from my friends… it’s funny af 🤣
YES FINALLY! I LOVED this mini series so much
I love y'alls ADHD energy with not remembering the names hahah (same lol), bless you. 😂
One small request/suggestion - Not sure if there is anything you can do about it in future videos but the image of the show is quite small and the sub-titles are not easy to read (especially if watching on a phone or tablet).
@SpartanandPudgey So glad you are delving into this incredible show. It’s based on the 1975 book & is a remake of the groundbreaking 1980 tv mini series which was one of the first truly epic tv shows which are common today. Also the book & 1980 show were culturally important as it piqued more interest in Japanese history & culture which in the 70’s was basically some household name brands like Sony, Honda & Toyota to Western audiences. Sushi, karate, anime, etc weren’t ubiquitous & widespread to US & English speaking nations as they are today. So this show had really big shoes to fill.
They didn’t just meet expectations they surpassed them with this masterful remake. Everything from the sets to the costumes to the cinematography are top notch but it’s the great story & incredible acting that ties it all together & makes it so visceral & emotional.
By the way I noticed your mailing address is in the state of Victoria. As Aussies, you two should have great pride in the hugely influential & groundbreaking Mad Max franchise written by the mad scientist director George Miller. I don’t know if you two live in Melbourne but Mad Max 1 was filmed around Melbourne & The Road Warrior or Mad Mad 2 was shot at Broken Hill (I think it’s part of NSW) which is north & slightly west of Melbourne. I don’t believe you two have seen any of the Mad Max movies which had a huge hand in creating the post-apocalyptic movie genre. There were 3 Mad Max films in the 70’s-80’s & the 2 new ones. The backstory to 2015’s Fury Road is actualky incredible because it was delayed for years but became an instant classic & one of the best films ever. George Miller has been one of the most important filmmakers & Australian filmmakers who put the nascent Australian tv & film industry on the map, so to speak. After you react to Shogun, I think you two should journey into the Mad Max world which heavily influenced Fallout. As Aussies, George Miller & Mad Max should be a huge point of pride for you. I don’t think you guys have reacted to them yet, but maybe I’m wrong. Just my humble suggestion & request.
Enjoy the ride that is Shogun. 🙂👍
Toranage is basically the Tywin Lannister of game of thrones 🤣🤣
28:32 Historically, and to this day, many professional sailors can't swim. Better to drown quickly than tread water for a half a day and then drown anyways.
Spontaneous poetry was a thing. Even in Europe at one point. The Japanese still revere poetry. At least far more than we do in the western world.
Y’all gonna love this show!
Y’all please check out The Haunting of Hill House. It’s widely regarded as the best horror show of all time. Always makes for amazing reactions.
As Spanish I denies everything said by that english pirate!
Jokes aparte, its a great show, I love it
This show is very down to earth and it shows a side of samurai that is not what we are used to: Samurai were allowed to kill anyone who disrespect them, they abused their power, not all of them were the honorable warriors that we like to consume in the western. Any Japanese can tell ya that the honorable Samurai was true but also exagerated because we loved that in the west.
I know sailors today who not only can’t swim, but are horribly sea sick😂 some dudes just love their job that much
Saw someone on Twitter say Shogun is Game of Thrones if Ned Stark was smart!
😂😂😂
The best TV show I've watched in a while. Really excellent and is historically accurate for the most part, outside of some names and some other details, which is an amalgamation of different things and traditions/time periods. No complaints on that though, as it is television, not a documentary.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this to you, but this isn't the first TV version of Shogun, in the original miniseries/movie of this show, "Rodriguez" was played by the same actor that played Gimli in The Lord of the Rings - and he did such an AMAZING job in the original Shogun series, amazing actor.
Yoko Shimada, who played Mariko in the 1980 version, also deserves a mention for her wonderful portrayal of the character.
@@paintedjaguar indeed!
Spartan & Pudgey Awesome Video/Episode Today!!🔥🐐🐐💎
Nice reaction. guys - but the subtitles are so small on your screen I have trouble reading them - and there will be a LOT of subtitles in this show...
Spartan looks like Cosmo Jarvis
Amazing show. In terms of historical drama, this is for me the biggest hit since Black Sails.
I wish Spartan and Pudgy would react to Black Sails... It is awesome with real characters..
"Toranaga's very honest and upfront..." hehehe yeah.....
Love to see y'all watching this one! House of the Dragon right around the corner too :D
Love it how spartan says he’s not the type after seeing him for five seconds on the show haha love you guys
Yabushige is the goat.
Please react to *_Blue Eye Samurai_* after *_Shōgun._*
Finally, have wanted you to watch this since it came out!! :)
Awesome that you are reacting to this show, but I think everyone watching would appreciate if you zoomed into the subtitles 👍
This show is sooooo good!!!
Sanada San's SHOGUN is such an amazing series. I read the show was reviewed a second time (the script) because it was not deemed good enough, and finally settled on the final version for Season 1 that ended. Guys - i honestly wish there are more than 10 episodes just so they can squeeze in more of the book...because as we know adaptations certainly take liberties at the expense of something due to budget / time. Nevertheless...all the episodes are beautiful. Cinematography top shelf. I've never felt like that since the very best parts of GOT (insert your fav / most impactful / emotional season & episode). I wish i get to experience it all over again, fresh ! Believe me you guys will be at the edge of your seats.
LET'S GOOOOO i'm really enjoying this show
7:59 If there ever was a live action Naruto movie I’d definitely pick the actor playing our main lord to play a much older Saska
Sp hyped and happy you two are reacting to this aweseome show! However, it is much different than the 80s miniseries.
best thing about this show is that we know they didn't fumble the ending. 10 straight episodes of heat
They would fumble after 8 of them though....so your point is moot. GoT still the best thing on 📺 all 8 seasons...
@@MADKIDD623BHNonly in your opinion bro, but ok
Hype! This show is epic
A great show, but to watch it you have to be able to read the dialog, please make your picture larger. Thanks.
Hello. My name is Sho, and I am Japanese. I just wanted to suggest you guys read the book Shogun by John Clavelle. It's quite good, but it's not historically accurate. Basically Portugal was a bunch of assholes back in the day, they started the slave trade in africa, they started a bunch of wars trying to spread the catholic church throughout the world. The main character in Shogun is supposed to be from the Dutch East India Trading Company, and the navigator "pilot" is an Englishman working for them. He's supposed to be the only English guy among a group of Dutch. He becomes more sophisticated learning Japanese culture, and later comes to hate his own men, seeing them as savages. The guy who's supposed to represent Tokugawa in this series, he wants to learn from the english guy about naval warfare and shipbuilding, so that he can create a navy and conquer china and unite all of Japan.
I dont know if both of you seen the latest mortal kombat movie but hiroyuki is scorpion. And in bullet train with brad pitt.
It's interesting watching you here, in the early part of the show - you haven't adjusted yet to where the show is. Blackthorn is in an alien world, no different to if this was an episode of Star Trek. He - and you, and me when I first watched it - hasn't got ANYTHING in common with these people. They don't share the most basic ideas of life and morals. Things that you and I and he think are obvious, fundamental, beyond argument, are just completely unknown to the Japanese. Killing yourself and your child for shaming your lord is an honourable act, to them (as much as we find it horrific). You'll get it, don't worry - you'll come to see how they think and feel. And it's a fascinating journey.
Toronaga is Ned Stark, if Ned had an actual fucking clue about how the game is played.
Yesss
How dare you call Toranaga-sama without honorifics you bureimono! Do seppuku!
Japans history prior to the end of World War 2 is quite.. a violent one just fyi lol
2:54 - they are both in peaky blinders
HEY!!!YOU NEED WATCH PSYCHO(1960YEAR) AND MISERY(1990) BEST HORRORS!
When can we expect the release of the second episode? The anticipation is building up, and we're all eagerly waiting!
our schedule is on our community tab check it out! will be out in a couple days. excited to share it with ya 🙏🏼🎉
So glad you guys are watching this show!! Its not as good as the book but its still fucking great!! Must be a great way to spend your time (and for me to enjoy your reactions) until House of the Dragon season 2 comes out!