I was vegan for 20+ years and my cholesterol, blood pressure, blood sugar A1c - were all borderline high. I was nearly into metabolic syndrome and I ate clean, low fat, and hit the gym daily. I couldn't lose weight w/o starving. After 6 months studying the "fad" keto diet I tried it. All my bloodwork is excellent now, I'm buff and almost ripped. Good luck to all on this journey!
billytheweasel I did the same thing. Went from losing 0.5 pd/month on a conventional low-fat diet counting every calorie and exercise session with constant cravings and hunger, then switched to high fat low carb (HFLC). I lost 50+ pds in 1 year effortlessly on HFLC. It has changed my life. Because of my experience, this is not an academic issue for me. The shame of the conventional calories in/calories out (CICO) viewpoint is that so many people are suffering. Folks are losing limbs, eyesight, cognitive function, mobility and dignity due to the misdirection of the CICO advice that has failed us for decades. It's criminal. I wonder if a class action suit, like what happened to the tobacco industry, is in order to force the nutritional hierarchy to reevaluate their position on insulin induced obesity.
Ex-vegan here too! Was borderline insulin resistant, had *no* energy and felt like shit (excuse the language). Went keto three years ago, and my life took a huge turn ... for the better. For me, there is not turning back!
I had type II diabetes starting in my early 20s. No doctor ever gave me any meaningful advice other than to cycle me between prescriptions. This journalist's book gave me the foundation I needed to investigate for myself the causes of my disease that nobody ever seemed willing to clue me in on. My diabetes is now in remission and I've had normal blood glucose for 5 years *without medication*. I have a life to look forward to because of this journalist. No doctor gave me that.
When I was a child we moved into an apartment below a woman who had a new born baby. She followed the teachings of a scientist from the 1920 s who believed that baby's should be like machines and needed exactly 8 oz every 4 hours. We listened to that poor baby cry for 2 out of every 4 hours. My mother tried to explain that babies were not machines. Thankfully this barbaric practice is gone. Hopefully the barbaric practice of reciting calories in and calories out will someday go away. It has been proven wrong over and over again, in many studies. I once asked a women who looked like a walking skeleton why she did not eat more fat to gain weight. She had tried it for a week at the suggestion of her doctor. She lost 10 pounds. The only way she could stop weight lose was to eat lots of carbs. I stayed fat on 1200 low fat, high fiber,whole grain diet. Now I eat high fat, no grain diet and have not only lost weight, but am healthier at almost 60 than I was at 30.
Even if you are confused about diet, remember to eat whole, unprocessed, natural, healthy food. Processed, chemically laden, factory, Frankenfood is killing us.
I went low carb or "dirty Keto" about 8 months ago. I had experienced three heart attacks, two spinal fusions, four knee surgeries, and was prediabetic. I couldn't walk 100 yards without resting, was underwater in nine blood markers, and weighed 300lbs. I was dying plain and simple. I had no energy and could barely function. In eight months every single one of these issues have been reversed. My blood markers are normal, no longer prediabetic, no longer taking omeprazole, all meds cut in half, no joint pain, and I can walk all day. I have more energy than any time in the last 20 years. The best part, I'm down 60 pounds and I have new clothes. Keto is the realization that carbs/sugars were killing me. This lifestyle works and it has completely changed my life.
Not much was mentioned by either side, that when a diet includes adequate protein, muscle tissue is increased, which increases passive energy expenditure. This is why the low carb diets have the much argued metabolic advantage that is not present in low fat diets. Those diets naturally have less protein since sources of fat and protein are often the same.
If you look up Taubes organization NUSI online you'll see where they have agreed to fund a study by Dr. Gardner and Stanford, Seems it's been ongoing for a few months already, so might see some preliminary results in a few months time. Real research has finally begun.
I like this. They're very respectful of each other and seem to be on the same page on quite a few points. Obviously their diets differ greatly, but they're both trying to help different types of people.
I personally take a middle of the road approach when it comes to Taubes' perspective and Dr. Gardner's perspective. I, unlike Taubes, believe that calories do matter, but I believe that achieving lower caloric intake is far easier on a low carb diet than on a high carb/low fat one, because the extra protein and fat in low carb diets satiates the person with fewer calories than carbohydrates, and since carbohydrates spike blood sugar, they can induce hunger.
If you find it hard to follow Gary Taubes' information because there is so much information to take in, then check out what Dr. Jason Fung has to say. Dr. Fung is a Canadian nephrologist and a world-leading expert on intermittent fasting and LCHF, especially for treating people with type 2 diabetes. His videos are all over TH-cam.
Gary's arguments are all extremely well researched. Even if his books were advertisement for factory meat (which they are not), this does not matter at all. It's like having a mathematician say "1 plus 1 is 2!" and your counterargument is "this is just an advertisement for math books and sponsored by Mathematcia." It's not a counterargument at all.
It's not that simple. The hormone insulin drives fat storage, and insulin levels increase with carbohydrate consumption. The higher the insulin, the more calories are locked away in the fat cells, which means your lean cells get no nourishment, except for cannibalizing your body's own muscle tissue. In that case, your metabolism WILL slow down. I never said it was instantaneous. Different people also have different levels of tolerance. It is immensely more complicated than you think it is.
I respect Dr. Gardner. He doesn't allow his vegetarianism to bias him on what the research actually says about the success of low fat vs. low carb diets. His lecture at Stanford about diets illustrates this: watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo The fact that, as a vegetarian, he was willing to highlight that Dr. T. Colin Campbell's "The China Study" was flawed illustrates a lot more integrity than I see from a lot of other vegetarian proponents, who view "The China Study" as an infallible Gospel.
I find it simpler to copy the meal plans of traditional diets of people who exercise that I admire such as the islander diets like Okinawa diet or Papua New Guinea diet and if you try to match it with the science we know so far, we know such traditional diets have thousands of micronutrients from the usual plant food, plus seaweed, mushrooms, and fermented plant food. Using real food carb staples, people can thrive on very little protein and very little fat. I also exercise after every meal.
Why so much embarrassment on low carb with high good fat which so many have experienced major weight loss in weeks not years. Gary is a true scientist who does not want to push any agenda, because science will always stay to be a seeker, never a believer, committed to bias.
I also didn't see water listed as one of your energy sources. As the previous poster pointed out that it would be rather difficult being a vegan in Europe during winter. As for the meat eaters, could you explain how Okinawan's have the longest expectancy and eat lots of pork? Or the Japanese centenarians who consume tons of fish? Maybe you could give us the names of these vegan tribes that live so much longer than everyone else?
I guess low carb high fat doesnt work for everyone. But I can eat 3-4k calories per day and still lose weight and never be hungry. ;) When I change my diet without increasing my calory input I gain weight again... maybe I just have a carb intolerance.
Some people don't seem to be clear on what insulin does. Insulin's main job is not to signal the body to store blood glucose as fat, it is to signal the cell (at the insulin receptor) to open up and allow the glucose to enter. Only when blood glucose becomes too high (when the cells are full, or when insulin resistance at the receptor causes the cell not to receive the 'open' signal) does insulin cause the excess to be stored as fat.
I think Gary is the most logical thinker on this topic. Its amusing to see people so threatened by his hypothesis. The guy in the Orange shirt is such a baby, he seemed to have it in for Gary.
The whole notion of "set point" is wrong. Maybe it applies in conventional wisdom methods because it's ridiculously hard. I went on a ketogenic diet to fix my digestion issues, and lost 20 pounds in 2 months without trying. You go Gary.
You do realize the inuit were healthy until they started eating the western diet right? Did you actually google them yourself and read up on them? You might also want to look at the aboriginal studies and what happened after they became 'civilized' and what also happened when they placed a group of them back into the wild and studied them.
If carbs themselves were the problem, young marathon runners would be huge. They're usually not. I believe that insulin resistance (which takes place on a sliding scale) is more easily acquired than widely believed. Once a degree of it is acquired (via too many blood glucose spikes), insulin production (thus, carb consumption, esp refined carbs) must be limited until sensitivity is restored. So, don't carb diet to lose weight. Do it, for a time, to regain insulin receptor sensitivity.
Eat at the bottom of the pyramid and do it right...whole grains and vegetables. I changed and did it. I went to Pritikin. Also cook your own food like Chris says.
I disagree with Gardner's answer to this - 1:04:30 When I cut out grains and legumes I lost weight very rapidly (though it had been acquired over many years), was never hungry and have kept the weight off.
You could mention what has convinced you that plant positive is wrong in his comment section. He actually is quite interested in why people find Gary Taubes convincing and this knowledge helps him prepare his projects accordingly.
The REAL question that no one is asking, and is still dangerously unanswered to this day, is: What suddenly mesmerized the American population (then gone global) into eating processed foods, after the extremely health conscious 60s and 70s? Just as that technique got everyone to get obese, it is also manipulating the dumbed down population to do a whole lot more.
The speaker in the orange shirt probably has a high levels of calcium score. The diet study he did he only talks about weight loss on both groups, but he does not talk about blood markers, insulin levels and inflammation markers.
The incredible disrespect dished out by Mr. Gardner shows an intrinsic feeling of superiority that radiates throughout his being. Such a demonstration by Gardner causes him to appear quite unbecoming. A true gentleman is a friend to all, and should avoid feelings of contempt as are on display in this video. He has not a modicum of humility.
Yeah what we need is another law. Thats the solution pass some law making sugar illegal. Put people in prison for growing illegal sugar canes and producing sugar narcotics. Thoes people making high fructose corn syrup in their chem labs are criminals.
You forget that you must also take into account the amount of carbs being converted, and the glycemic load. Putting load on the liver and creating more fat stores. Also continually spiking insulin through the roof, which is only done by carbs, you can cause insulin resistance, and leptin resistance once you become fat from the insulin resistance, making it easier to store fat, lowering metabolism, and increasing appetite do to the leptin not sensing sufficient fat stores.
Spiking blood glucose is like wearing ill-fitting shoes. Eventually, you'll get a blister (insulin resistance causing blood glucose to build up, causing insulin prod to increase, all causing gluc to be stored as fat). The only way to heal the blister (insulin resistance) is to stop wearing those shoes for a while. The only way not to get another blister is to stop wearing those shoes altogether. Cut carbs (esp refined) until sensitivity returns... thereafter in measured doses. Be a CARBuretor.
This is a really good discussion. I would just say that Gardner seems to be missing the point with his comparative diets; I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that extreme under or over eating affects body weight. What we are taking about is a)how dietary composition affects body composition, isocalorically; and also whether a diet's main fuel source (fat or carbs) predisposes people generally, or certain individuals, to sustain saturated adipose tissue.
I had a personal experience at the age of 26 We relocated to some corporate housing in San Diego where he had a new job but I just quit my old job to go with him and I wasn't yet working, and we were walking around our new neighborhood. In my travels I learned there was an arcade near our house where there was some sort of contest to win a prize There was a big rectangular fish tank full of M & M's candy and the person who guesses most closely the number of candies in the tank wins the candy. So, my husband spent forty minutes and carefully counted the individual candies in the vertical row, the horizontal, the depth and he calculated it all out to make an educated scientific guess .... and he won So there was suddenly all this candy in our walk in closet and I filled a bowl and placed it on a coffee table in front of a television set. After he left for work, I settled in to watch television, and began snacking on the candies. This went on for three weeks, a few candies here and there, nibbling throughout the day, and I gained so much weight so fast, I couldn't button my pants! I learned that the ideal weight gain food is sugar combined with calorie rich cocoa butter. Perhaps I had been previously misled to think the worst food anyone could eat might be bacon grease, but I came to know it is the combination of pairing sugar and fat calories. I have heard of people slowly and steadily losing weight on a low fat low calorie diet even when they ate sugary yogurt. I have heard of people losing significant weight on a low carb diet. I have even heard of people lightly trimming their weight just by cutting out sodas and desserts. I have heard of people losing weight of phentermine fenfluramine. I have heard of people water fasting and not really losing all that much weight However, I am convinced the lack of insulin production definitely has something to do with the metabolic process of weight loss, and anabolic steroid abusers have discovered this- they take non prescribed injectable insulin to bulk up in the gym.
+Lorena Smith 48g (1.7 oz) of M&M's has 240 calories (240 calories per 48g = 5 cal/g). 38% of the calores are from fat. Only 2g are protein. which is about 8 calories. It has only 1g of fiber per 240 cal (0.004g fiber per cal). This type of food lacks protein, fiber, and water and it is calorie-dense. It's also highly palatable, inexpensive, easy to access and eat, and requires little energy to digest. Compare this with fresh apples which are 65 calories per 125g (0.5 cal/g) which is one-tenth the calorie density of M&M's. Apples have 3g fiber per 65 cal (0.046 g fiber per cal) which is ten times that of M&M's Instead of blaming it all on carbohydrate and insulin, why not acknowledge the facts above. Many won't acknowledge this and instead want to direct people in an unwarranted manner to a diet high in animal fat and very low in carbohydrate based on the attributes of a product like M&M's.
+Jay Tarro M&Ms are 57% carbs. That little tidbit was missing from your excellent analysis. M&Ms Milk Chocolate is 57% carbs, 38% fat and 5% protein. This supports Lorena Smith's contention that it is high fat + high carbs that makes us fat. I agree with her. I've done HCLF (with less than 10% fat) as well as HFLC (with net carb grams less than 50) and they both work. I am also insulin resistant which makes this n=1 experiment interesting as the studies say only HFLC works for people who are insulin resistant. I think that if the dieter can push fat below 10%, HCLF works. But most people won't find that easy!
They just agreed that obesity in the US started spiking in the 1980, yet Taubes later says it's a result of ignoring pre-WWII science literature? What about those 40 years in between when obesity was the exception rather than the rule?
That's because he is keeping calories constant, the whole point of low carb is that your calorie intake will go down naturally, as you are satisfied, keeping hunger under control. All of his examples keep calories constant. That's why you lost more, so did I (35 in the first 3 months).
Glucagon actually draws fat from adipose tissue, the opposite of insulin's process of storing fat. It's an active system for fat metabolism and depletion.
Dr. Gardner is not a medical doctor, but has a PhD in nutritional sciences. And I don't think he is dismissing the central role that insulin plays in weight gain for many people, but I think he says that more testing needs to be done before we jump to one conclusion as the culprit for the obesity epidemic, or we will be committing the same mistake as those who peddled the low fat dogma for so long.
The metabolism takes weeks to notice a change in caloric intake, your metabolism does not change in a given day. And carbohydrates is nothing to do with fat storage, you can store fat without even consuming any carbohydrates given your in a caloric surplus. I propose to you this, If in a given day I consume 100 calories of pure sugar and nothing else. My maintenance is 3000 calories a day. Are you seriously telling me I will still gain fat? You cant store fat if there is no energy to store.
As a Taubes apologist. I agree with "alphacause". I was surprised at the number of points he conceded to Taubes, I would think a vegetarian would be far more hostile than this, and I think it does speak volumes about his integrity
We still live in huts, we still drink from streams. They are just nicer huts and we have to be choosy about our streams (such as underground streams i.e. aquifers ). It was because of eating animal fat and protein that our brains got big enough to figure out how to build huts in the first place.
This isn't about veganism versus low carb. The guy promoting a diet based on 30 bananas is an idiot, but so is Gary Taubes with his low carb dogma. They both have already made up their mind and conveniently ignore any contradictory evidence.
This is what I keep trying to tell people but no one listens to me. if I have no sugar I'm fine but having even a lil bit it throws me off. If I go without sugar for a week I stop craving it but if I have it even once I become a sugar fiend. people need to accept that we don't all react the same way to the same foods.
Did you look at the date on that article? It was published after plant positive released his videos. Moreover, he addresses some similar information in his video "lessons from the dead". You should let him know about the article you believe refutes diet-heart so he may analyze it in his next set of videos (if he decides to produce another set). He really is trying to help people like you out, so let him know about the article and what you believe it proves or disproves.
This talk articulates everything that is wrong with nutrition. People get drawn into fads and titles more than actual change. Low fat, low carb, atkins, paleo, etc. What is clear is that there are indeed many camps, each touting their set of evidence to be the more truer one. The science has been changing for over a hundred years, and god knows how long it will continue to do so. But fortunately, there are some points that are accepted by the overwhelming majority of academicians. Westernisation of diets has had a negative impact on health. We need to increase intake of fruits and vegetables. We need to cut down on refined and processed carbs; and drastically reduce refined sugar intake. We need to eat fresh food far more often, instead of rely on boxed items that can hardly be called food. We need to get back to kitchen and regain the bond that we have long lost with food.
What exactly do you believe that plant positive is incorrect or lying about? Could you be specific instead of using blanket terms like "biased"? Did he over look something in his research? I would like to know about what you found that may help his research efforts and I'm sure he would too.
This whole video is dead wrong, you don't lose weight by trying to lose weight!. Forget weight, when you eat you eat to maximize your health and stay out of hospitals. Which means you eat whole natural nutritionally dense foods, eggs, chicken, fish, plain yogurt and some raw nuts for protein/fats carbs from a staple of all vegetables, some whole grains ( but no wheat!) like brown rice and oats and some low glycemic fruits and drink only water whenever possible. Eat for health (continued)
How about saying it was caused by carbohydrates ? There s now enough that the food that causes obesity, diabetes and alzheimer is the food we haven't been eating for millions of years and only started eating them when agriculture started ?
I can't believe that scientists like Christopher Gardner just "don't get it" when it comes to insulin and fat accumulation. He still believes in calories in/ calories out and doesn't seem to understand the importance of carbohydrates as fattening due to their effects on insulin.
I think a huge majority of people ought to stop relying so much on guru dieticians or guru doctors like these. People need to research their own diet plan. I stuck with what my great great grandparents ate & saw huge results. My blood pressure, heart pulse, fat %, headaches lowered dramatically. I sleep better too. I stuck with a low fat, low carb, low sugar, low processed diet. My pirate ancestors ate mainly brown, dark bread, seaweed, crabs & shrimps so makes sense I ate what they ate.
Eating what your recent ancestors ate (not your paleo ancestors' diet which can be dangerous to our weaker system that can't digest raw meats) makes sense because it's not overloaded with processed crap which can be the reason why so many people are so sick... they may not be overweight or obese but are still ill with something else that isn't weight related. Such things like food allergies, cancers, low immunity, asthma, etc. :/ Anyways thank you for posting this video up. Peace be to all.
I assume Gardner is a medical doctor which is odd because he appears to shy away/downplay the fundamental centrality of the biochemical facts relating to insulin and fat accumulation which Taubes presents as central to his thesis. I think Taubes's point about the possibility that for anyone with a metabolic disorder, even a small amount of carb, no matter whether simple or complex, can be too much for them to tolerate, is logical. Gardner's thinking is what keeps obese people obese.
I'll take a science journalist who does real science; over a big pharma servant called "An American Doctor" any day. Don't care what you call them; are they doing good science.
Whether or not I'm a vegan is not relevant. Almost all smokers today are aware that their smoking is increasing their risk of chronic diseases, but they have weighed their options and decided that the pleasure from smoking is worth the risks it poses. Similarly, I could still understand that I'm increasing my risk for heart disease by eating bacon and eggs if I decide that that breakfast creates pleasure that's worth the risk. Initially, smokers resisted the science, but now they accept it.
(continued from previous post) and the body's weight will take care of itself. I'm 60 years old........6'2'' at 185lbs with a 29 inch waist...........and 4% body fat...the rest is lean muscle from only 90 mins a week of weight training.........I'm in better shape than any 20 something in the gym. It is from eating for health.......not for weight.
Well, I think that the goal of the channel is to reduce the amount of preventable disease. If people are clear on the facts, then they can decide what level of health they wish to be at. It is sort of like how people still choose to smoke cigarettes, but they are aware of the increased risk of chronic disease they have because of smoking. They decide that the pleasure from smoking is worth the risk. One should also decide whether eating high cholesterol, no fiber foods are worth the risks.
I used to be a nicely slim 135 pounds. Then I quit smoking and I got fat. I gained 140 pounds overnight. I struggled with diets and exercise but I'm here to tell anybody who'll listen to me, they do NOT work
I finally had to be rude to keep him flooding my PM box with WAPF nonsense. "Lets just leave it with no further correspondence, unless you really want help. In which case, I'll answer any questions. I'm happy with my current diet. i was eating too much fat when I first went vegan, but I still lost 30 pounds."---gyrate4 Do I sound mean?
Christopher Gardner is on target and gets it yet Gary Taubes on the other hand is very confused. Carbohydrates can't be grouped into one, they must be split into simple carbs and complex carbs. Whole foods (never had the cell split) like potatoes, beans, corn and rice are ok and should be eaten in abundance without toppings or butter which is fatty acid. Calorie Density relating to fat calories is the other subject that needs to be considered. One slice of butter has as much fat as 5 potatoes. Those 5 potatoes will completely fill a person while it would take 3 sticks of butter. Beef steak is full of fatty acids. Vegetables are bulky and fill the stomach. Recap: Good carbs vs bad carbs and calorie density relating to fatty acid amount.
Plenty of individuals practice what Gary preaches and don't pay him a penny. What he says not only makes sense, but is reproducible. Doesn't take much to get a veg out of control.
What exactly was he cherry picking? Could you point out specifics as to how the studies he omitted could have helped his research project? I would like to know about them and I'm sure plant positive would too. You can leave messages in his comment section for him and his viewers to see or you could send him a personal message. He actually appreciates helpful sources for his research and if he notices a flaw in the source he might point it out in his next set of videos.
I just find it fun to argue with these people. If any of them realised protein raises insulin significantly then the low-carb argument can be put away finally but I guess they don't even realise that
How low was the lowest carb, did the people in his 60(30 low carbers) people study eat 150, 100, 50, 25, 0 carbs. You can live on a no carb diet, did they eat less than 30 which is a ketogenic diet. Did they eat 150 which is the lowest the nutrition community thinks is the lowest the brain can survive, but is still high. Ive been cooking real food for myself for years and my weight is still high, so its not just calories and carbs. The guy in orange isnt listening to gary and gary isnt asking him the right questions.
reason.com/archives/2003/03/01/an-exercise-in-vitriol-rather Fumento lost this one, read the comments as well as the articles and rebuttals to decide if you agree. It was also discussed on too numerous podcasts and blogs for me to bother to post here - it was 9 years ago! Try and keep up!
I could not agree more. I have tried to talk to a few vegans and out of those few, they come off as zealots, and are extremely dogmatic. THIS does not mean that all or even most vegans are this way. A few vegans on TH-cam are just so dogmatic and you can't have a civil conversation with them, gyrate4 is a prime example. He messages me, I answer him back and we engage in conversation and he becomes combative. Dude, let's just talk and be civil. No need to be tough on the internet.
I didn't know anything about Christopher Gardener before viewing this video but he did not leave a very positive impression. IMHO, he got increasingly perturbed by Gary's ideas as the panel went on and was arguably descending into immature behaviour by the Q&A period. I think something was bothering him, and I can't help but wonder if he felt steamrolled by Gary's logical approach to dietary research.
i never said they were NECESSARY. But it is ridiculous to tell people that carbs make you fat. In day to day life insulin is insignificant anyway because 99% of the time we eat carbs alongside fat and protein which will make the 'fast-digesting bad carbs' become slow-digesting anyway. And to claim sugar causes diabetes and just skip the other major factors like body composition, overall diet, obesity, genetics is absurd.
That's interesting. So, do you believe that any person who researches nutrition and arrives at the conclusion that people are better off without meat is spreading propaganda? I guess calling an argument propaganda is an easy way to dismiss the conclusions of anyone, even if they carefully researched the matter.
Therefore, Taubes is probably wrong, at least with respect to the blanket "carbs cause fatness". If the carbs were to be eaten by a relatively active man WHO WASN'T INSULIN RESISTANT at a constant rate of, say, 5g per 30mins, the resulting glucose would be used up as soon as it was created, having been pushed into the cells by insulin. The problem isn't carbs, but cell receptor insulin resistance, which causes glucose to build up in the blood and cause ins to signal its storage as fat.
Then insulin injections wouldn't work for diabetics, and wouldn't cause localized fat deposits around injection sites, since the problem isn't debilitated insulin production by genetically disabled or exhausted pancreatic cells but by billions of flawed cell receptors.
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I was vegan for 20+ years and my cholesterol, blood pressure, blood sugar A1c - were all borderline high. I was nearly into metabolic syndrome and I ate clean, low fat, and hit the gym daily. I couldn't lose weight w/o starving. After 6 months studying the "fad" keto diet I tried it. All my bloodwork is excellent now, I'm buff and almost ripped. Good luck to all on this journey!
I had the same experience going from vegetarian to meat eater: much lower cholesterol, less water retention and weight loss.
billytheweasel I did the same thing. Went from losing 0.5 pd/month on a conventional low-fat diet counting every calorie and exercise session with constant cravings and hunger, then switched to high fat low carb (HFLC). I lost 50+ pds in 1 year effortlessly on HFLC. It has changed my life. Because of my experience, this is not an academic issue for me. The shame of the conventional calories in/calories out (CICO) viewpoint is that so many people are suffering. Folks are losing limbs, eyesight, cognitive function, mobility and dignity due to the misdirection of the CICO advice that has failed us for decades. It's criminal. I wonder if a class action suit, like what happened to the tobacco industry, is in order to force the nutritional hierarchy to reevaluate their position on insulin induced obesity.
billytheweasel Great for You! I want ta try it just not there yet. I'm still a bit skeptical.
Ex-vegan here too! Was borderline insulin resistant, had *no* energy and felt like shit (excuse the language). Went keto three years ago, and my life took a huge turn ... for the better. For me, there is not turning back!
@@katiewoodfield7768 Agree.Good luck !
I had type II diabetes starting in my early 20s. No doctor ever gave me any meaningful advice other than to cycle me between prescriptions. This journalist's book gave me the foundation I needed to investigate for myself the causes of my disease that nobody ever seemed willing to clue me in on. My diabetes is now in remission and I've had normal blood glucose for 5 years *without medication*.
I have a life to look forward to because of this journalist. No doctor gave me that.
You go, Gary! The most intelligent guy on the platform.
I could listen to Gary for hours, So much knowledge. Always seem to run out of time.
When I was a child we moved into an apartment below a woman who had a new born baby. She followed the teachings of a scientist from the 1920 s who believed that baby's should be like machines and needed exactly 8 oz every 4 hours. We listened to that poor baby cry for 2 out of every 4 hours. My mother tried to explain that babies were not machines. Thankfully this barbaric practice is gone.
Hopefully the barbaric practice of reciting calories in and calories out will someday go away. It has been proven wrong over and over again, in many studies.
I once asked a women who looked like a walking skeleton why she did not eat more fat to gain weight. She had tried it for a week at the suggestion of her doctor. She lost 10 pounds. The only way she could stop weight lose was to eat lots of carbs.
I stayed fat on 1200 low fat, high fiber,whole grain diet. Now I eat high fat, no grain diet and have not only lost weight, but am healthier at almost 60 than I was at 30.
Even if you are confused about diet, remember to eat whole, unprocessed, natural, healthy food. Processed, chemically laden, factory, Frankenfood is killing us.
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Gary makes things so simple and believable. I like his passion and conviction he truly is trying to make a point about obesity.
I went low carb or "dirty Keto" about 8 months ago. I had experienced three heart attacks, two spinal fusions, four knee surgeries, and was prediabetic. I couldn't walk 100 yards without resting, was underwater in nine blood markers, and weighed 300lbs. I was dying plain and simple. I had no energy and could barely function. In eight months every single one of these issues have been reversed. My blood markers are normal, no longer prediabetic, no longer taking omeprazole, all meds cut in half, no joint pain, and I can walk all day. I have more energy than any time in the last 20 years. The best part, I'm down 60 pounds and I have new clothes. Keto is the realization that carbs/sugars were killing me. This lifestyle works and it has completely changed my life.
Not much was mentioned by either side, that when a diet includes adequate protein, muscle tissue is increased, which increases passive energy expenditure. This is why the low carb diets have the much argued metabolic advantage that is not present in low fat diets. Those diets naturally have less protein since sources of fat and protein are often the same.
If you look up Taubes organization NUSI online you'll see where they have agreed to fund a study by Dr. Gardner and Stanford, Seems it's been ongoing for a few months already, so might see some preliminary results in a few months time. Real research has finally begun.
I like this. They're very respectful of each other and seem to be on the same page on quite a few points. Obviously their diets differ greatly, but they're both trying to help different types of people.
I personally take a middle of the road approach when it comes to Taubes' perspective and Dr. Gardner's perspective. I, unlike Taubes, believe that calories do matter, but I believe that achieving lower caloric intake is far easier on a low carb diet than on a high carb/low fat one, because the extra protein and fat in low carb diets satiates the person with fewer calories than carbohydrates, and since carbohydrates spike blood sugar, they can induce hunger.
If you find it hard to follow Gary Taubes' information because there is so much information to take in, then check out what Dr. Jason Fung has to say. Dr. Fung is a Canadian nephrologist and a world-leading expert on intermittent fasting and LCHF, especially for treating people with type 2 diabetes. His videos are all over TH-cam.
Gary's arguments are all extremely well researched. Even if his books were advertisement for factory meat (which they are not), this does not matter at all. It's like having a mathematician say "1 plus 1 is 2!" and your counterargument is "this is just an advertisement for math books and sponsored by Mathematcia." It's not a counterargument at all.
It's not that simple. The hormone insulin drives fat storage, and insulin levels increase with carbohydrate consumption. The higher the insulin, the more calories are locked away in the fat cells, which means your lean cells get no nourishment, except for cannibalizing your body's own muscle tissue. In that case, your metabolism WILL slow down. I never said it was instantaneous. Different people also have different levels of tolerance. It is immensely more complicated than you think it is.
Gary Taubes makes such good points here!! Seen this in our own family..Thank you for setting things straight!!
I respect Dr. Gardner. He doesn't allow his vegetarianism to bias him on what the research actually says about the success of low fat vs. low carb diets. His lecture at Stanford about diets illustrates this:
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The fact that, as a vegetarian, he was willing to highlight that Dr. T. Colin Campbell's "The China Study" was flawed illustrates a lot more integrity than I see from a lot of other vegetarian proponents, who view "The China Study" as an infallible Gospel.
Willett had to admit his own study was flawed. Vegetarians set themselves up for humility.
I find it simpler to copy the meal plans of traditional diets of people who exercise that I admire such as the islander diets like Okinawa diet or Papua New Guinea diet and if you try to match it with the science we know so far, we know such traditional diets have thousands of micronutrients from the usual plant food, plus seaweed, mushrooms, and fermented plant food. Using real food carb staples, people can thrive on very little protein and very little fat. I also exercise after every meal.
Me too. No more heavy processed foods means no more heavy works for our body. Especially poison filtering works.
Owen Wilson is so correct.
OMG ikr? That's all I could think about. Except idk if he's correct, but he definitely is Owen Wilson.
very true, but Taubes has done a TON of research. They seem to agree more than disagree.
I don't think Taubes knew the camera was on him at the beginning.
So funny 😁😁
Why so much embarrassment on low carb with high good fat which so many have experienced major weight loss in weeks not years. Gary is a true scientist who does not want to push any agenda, because science will always stay to be a seeker, never a believer, committed to bias.
I also didn't see water listed as one of your energy sources. As the previous poster pointed out that it would be rather difficult being a vegan in Europe during winter. As for the meat eaters, could you explain how Okinawan's have the longest expectancy and eat lots of pork? Or the Japanese centenarians who consume tons of fish? Maybe you could give us the names of these vegan tribes that live so much longer than everyone else?
I guess low carb high fat doesnt work for everyone.
But I can eat 3-4k calories per day and still lose weight and never be hungry. ;)
When I change my diet without increasing my calory input I gain weight again... maybe I just have a carb intolerance.
+Rami Gilneas
Carbohydrate intolerance IS essentially IT. Some people won't have it. Many do.
Some people don't seem to be clear on what insulin does. Insulin's main job is not to signal the body to store blood glucose as fat, it is to signal the cell (at the insulin receptor) to open up and allow the glucose to enter. Only when blood glucose becomes too high (when the cells are full, or when insulin resistance at the receptor causes the cell not to receive the 'open' signal) does insulin cause the excess to be stored as fat.
You need to review hyperinsulinemia.
@@hektor6766 Why? Illness doesn't exist for me.
I think Gary is the most logical thinker on this topic. Its amusing to see people so threatened by his hypothesis. The guy in the Orange shirt is such a baby, he seemed to have it in for Gary.
The whole notion of "set point" is wrong. Maybe it applies in conventional wisdom methods because it's ridiculously hard. I went on a ketogenic diet to fix my digestion issues, and lost 20 pounds in 2 months without trying. You go Gary.
You do realize the inuit were healthy until they started eating the western diet right? Did you actually google them yourself and read up on them? You might also want to look at the aboriginal studies and what happened after they became 'civilized' and what also happened when they placed a group of them back into the wild and studied them.
Taubes is amazing.
If carbs themselves were the problem, young marathon runners would be huge. They're usually not. I believe that insulin resistance (which takes place on a sliding scale) is more easily acquired than widely believed. Once a degree of it is acquired (via too many blood glucose spikes), insulin production (thus, carb consumption, esp refined carbs) must be limited until sensitivity is restored. So, don't carb diet to lose weight. Do it, for a time, to regain insulin receptor sensitivity.
Eat at the bottom of the pyramid and do it right...whole grains and vegetables. I changed and did it. I went to Pritikin. Also cook your own food like Chris says.
I disagree with Gardner's answer to this - 1:04:30 When I cut out grains and legumes I lost weight very rapidly (though it had been acquired over many years), was never hungry and have kept the weight off.
You could mention what has convinced you that plant positive is wrong in his comment section. He actually is quite interested in why people find Gary Taubes convincing and this knowledge helps him prepare his projects accordingly.
Does anyone else think Gary sounds like Jimmy Stewart?
The REAL question that no one is asking, and is still dangerously unanswered to this day, is: What suddenly mesmerized the American population (then gone global) into eating processed foods, after the extremely health conscious 60s and 70s? Just as that technique got everyone to get obese, it is also manipulating the dumbed down population to do a whole lot more.
The speaker in the orange shirt probably has a high levels of calcium score. The diet study he did he only talks about weight loss on both groups, but he does not talk about blood markers, insulin levels and inflammation markers.
The incredible disrespect dished out by Mr. Gardner shows an intrinsic feeling of superiority that radiates throughout his being. Such a demonstration by Gardner causes him to appear quite unbecoming. A true gentleman is a friend to all, and should avoid feelings of contempt as are on display in this video. He has not a modicum of humility.
Before watching this (not sure if I will) brown fat is something people should look up. We loose brown fat as we get older.
Yeah what we need is another law. Thats the solution pass some law making sugar illegal. Put people in prison for growing illegal sugar canes and producing sugar narcotics. Thoes people making high fructose corn syrup in their chem labs are criminals.
You forget that you must also take into account the amount of carbs being converted, and the glycemic load. Putting load on the liver and creating more fat stores. Also continually spiking insulin through the roof, which is only done by carbs, you can cause insulin resistance, and leptin resistance once you become fat from the insulin resistance, making it easier to store fat, lowering metabolism, and increasing appetite do to the leptin not sensing sufficient fat stores.
I want to hear the study gary would rather do, now ill never know.
Spiking blood glucose is like wearing ill-fitting shoes. Eventually, you'll get a blister (insulin resistance causing blood glucose to build up, causing insulin prod to increase, all causing gluc to be stored as fat). The only way to heal the blister (insulin resistance) is to stop wearing those shoes for a while. The only way not to get another blister is to stop wearing those shoes altogether. Cut carbs (esp refined) until sensitivity returns... thereafter in measured doses. Be a CARBuretor.
This is a really good discussion. I would just say that Gardner seems to be missing the point with his comparative diets; I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that extreme under or over eating affects body weight. What we are taking about is a)how dietary composition affects body composition, isocalorically; and also whether a diet's main fuel source (fat or carbs) predisposes people generally, or certain individuals, to sustain saturated adipose tissue.
I had a personal experience at the age of 26 We relocated to some corporate housing in San Diego where he had a new job but I just quit my old job to go with him and I wasn't yet working, and we were walking around our new neighborhood. In my travels I learned there was an arcade near our house where there was some sort of contest to win a prize There was a big rectangular fish tank full of M & M's candy and the person who guesses most closely the number of candies in the tank wins the candy. So, my husband spent forty minutes and carefully counted the individual candies in the vertical row, the horizontal, the depth and he calculated it all out to make an educated scientific guess .... and he won So there was suddenly all this candy in our walk in closet and I filled a bowl and placed it on a coffee table in front of a television set. After he left for work, I settled in to watch television, and began snacking on the candies. This went on for three weeks, a few candies here and there, nibbling throughout the day, and I gained so much weight so fast, I couldn't button my pants! I learned that the ideal weight gain food is sugar combined with calorie rich cocoa butter. Perhaps I had been previously misled to think the worst food anyone could eat might be bacon grease, but I came to know it is the combination of pairing sugar and fat calories. I have heard of people slowly and steadily losing weight on a low fat low calorie diet even when they ate sugary yogurt. I have heard of people losing significant weight on a low carb diet. I have even heard of people lightly trimming their weight just by cutting out sodas and desserts. I have heard of people losing weight of phentermine fenfluramine. I have heard of people water fasting and not really losing all that much weight However, I am convinced the lack of insulin production definitely has something to do with the metabolic process of weight loss, and anabolic steroid abusers have discovered this- they take non prescribed injectable insulin to bulk up in the gym.
+Lorena Smith You have to look at studies carefully. And, you have to find out what works for you, in terms of diet.
+Lorena Smith
48g (1.7 oz) of M&M's has 240 calories (240 calories per 48g = 5 cal/g). 38% of the calores are from fat. Only 2g are protein. which is about 8 calories. It has only 1g of fiber per 240 cal (0.004g fiber per cal). This type of food lacks protein, fiber, and water and it is calorie-dense. It's also highly palatable, inexpensive, easy to access and eat, and requires little energy to digest.
Compare this with fresh apples which are 65 calories per 125g (0.5 cal/g) which is one-tenth the calorie density of M&M's. Apples have 3g fiber per 65 cal (0.046 g fiber per cal) which is ten times that of M&M's
Instead of blaming it all on carbohydrate and insulin, why not acknowledge the facts above. Many won't acknowledge this and instead want to direct people in an unwarranted manner to a diet high in animal fat and very low in carbohydrate based on the attributes of a product like M&M's.
+Jay Tarro
M&Ms are 57% carbs. That little tidbit was missing from your excellent analysis. M&Ms Milk Chocolate is 57% carbs, 38% fat and 5% protein. This supports Lorena Smith's contention that it is high fat + high carbs that makes us fat. I agree with her. I've done HCLF (with less than 10% fat) as well as HFLC (with net carb grams less than 50) and they both work. I am also insulin resistant which makes this n=1 experiment interesting as the studies say only HFLC works for people who are insulin resistant. I think that if the dieter can push fat below 10%, HCLF works. But most people won't find that easy!
Not much cocoa butter in M&Ms...
Cocoa butter is expensive. Many chocolate manufacturers have replaced it with less expensive fats.Jefferdaughter
They just agreed that obesity in the US started spiking in the 1980, yet Taubes later says it's a result of ignoring pre-WWII science literature? What about those 40 years in between when obesity was the exception rather than the rule?
The obesity rate was climbing throughout post-war US era, though not yet as precipitously (spiking) as in the '80s..
I feel guilty to give insulin injections to the patients after I knew that insulin is storing fat :(.
Gary doesnt look fat to me....
That's because he is keeping calories constant, the whole point of low carb is that your calorie intake will go down naturally, as you are satisfied, keeping hunger under control. All of his examples keep calories constant. That's why you lost more, so did I (35 in the first 3 months).
Glucagon actually draws fat from adipose tissue, the opposite of insulin's process of storing fat. It's an active system for fat metabolism and depletion.
Isn't Dr. Gardner's body language and speaking style similar to Tyrion Lannister (of Game of thrones)?
not really, Tyrions far more alpha.
Dr. Gardner is not a medical doctor, but has a PhD in nutritional sciences. And I don't think he is dismissing the central role that insulin plays in weight gain for many people, but I think he says that more testing needs to be done before we jump to one conclusion as the culprit for the obesity epidemic, or we will be committing the same mistake as those who peddled the low fat dogma for so long.
The metabolism takes weeks to notice a change in caloric intake, your metabolism does not change in a given day. And carbohydrates is nothing to do with fat storage, you can store fat without even consuming any carbohydrates given your in a caloric surplus.
I propose to you this, If in a given day I consume 100 calories of pure sugar and nothing else. My maintenance is 3000 calories a day. Are you seriously telling me I will still gain fat?
You cant store fat if there is no energy to store.
Professor Susan Harmony conducted the most exquisite randomized controlled trial on the prostaglandin levels of Amazonian head hunters.
As a Taubes apologist. I agree with "alphacause". I was surprised at the number of points he conceded to Taubes, I would think a vegetarian would be far more hostile than this, and I think it does speak volumes about his integrity
We still live in huts, we still drink from streams. They are just nicer huts and we have to be choosy about our streams (such as underground streams i.e. aquifers ). It was because of eating animal fat and protein that our brains got big enough to figure out how to build huts in the first place.
This isn't about veganism versus low carb. The guy promoting a diet based on 30 bananas is an idiot, but so is Gary Taubes with his low carb dogma. They both have already made up their mind and conveniently ignore any contradictory evidence.
The data on fructose is well in. What the body does with this poison is quite striking.
This is what I keep trying to tell people but no one listens to me. if I have no sugar I'm fine but having even a lil bit it throws me off. If I go without sugar for a week I stop craving it but if I have it even once I become a sugar fiend. people need to accept that we don't all react the same way to the same foods.
Did you look at the date on that article? It was published after plant positive released his videos. Moreover, he addresses some similar information in his video "lessons from the dead". You should let him know about the article you believe refutes diet-heart so he may analyze it in his next set of videos (if he decides to produce another set). He really is trying to help people like you out, so let him know about the article and what you believe it proves or disproves.
This talk articulates everything that is wrong with nutrition. People get drawn into fads and titles more than actual change. Low fat, low carb, atkins, paleo, etc. What is clear is that there are indeed many camps, each touting their set of evidence to be the more truer one. The science has been changing for over a hundred years, and god knows how long it will continue to do so.
But fortunately, there are some points that are accepted by the overwhelming majority of academicians. Westernisation of diets has had a negative impact on health. We need to increase intake of fruits and vegetables. We need to cut down on refined and processed carbs; and drastically reduce refined sugar intake. We need to eat fresh food far more often, instead of rely on boxed items that can hardly be called food. We need to get back to kitchen and regain the bond that we have long lost with food.
Dr Chris looks like John Denver
Yes he sure does and Gary Taubes looks like Mike Wolf from American Pickers.
John Denver ??? Not even close
What exactly do you believe that plant positive is incorrect or lying about? Could you be specific instead of using blanket terms like "biased"? Did he over look something in his research? I would like to know about what you found that may help his research efforts and I'm sure he would too.
This whole video is dead wrong, you don't lose weight by trying to lose weight!.
Forget weight, when you eat you eat to maximize your health and stay out of hospitals. Which means you eat whole natural nutritionally dense foods, eggs, chicken, fish, plain yogurt and some raw nuts for protein/fats carbs from a staple of all vegetables, some whole grains ( but no wheat!) like brown rice and oats and some low glycemic fruits and drink only water whenever possible.
Eat for health (continued)
How about saying it was caused by carbohydrates ? There s now enough that the food that causes obesity, diabetes and alzheimer is the food we haven't been eating for millions of years and only started eating them when agriculture started ?
I can't believe that scientists like Christopher Gardner just "don't get it" when it comes to insulin and fat accumulation. He still believes in calories in/ calories out and doesn't seem to understand the importance of carbohydrates as fattening due to their effects on insulin.
I think a huge majority of people ought to stop relying so much on guru dieticians or guru doctors like these. People need to research their own diet plan. I stuck with what my great great grandparents ate & saw huge results. My blood pressure, heart pulse, fat %, headaches lowered dramatically. I sleep better too. I stuck with a low fat, low carb, low sugar, low processed diet. My pirate ancestors ate mainly brown, dark bread, seaweed, crabs & shrimps so makes sense I ate what they ate.
Eating what your recent ancestors ate (not your paleo ancestors' diet which can be dangerous to our weaker system that can't digest raw meats) makes sense because it's not overloaded with processed crap which can be the reason why so many people are so sick... they may not be overweight or obese but are still ill with something else that isn't weight related. Such things like food allergies, cancers, low immunity, asthma, etc. :/ Anyways thank you for posting this video up. Peace be to all.
gary taubes is my hero!!
Taubes is monopolizing the discussion.
I assume Gardner is a medical doctor which is odd because he appears to shy away/downplay the fundamental centrality of the biochemical facts relating to insulin and fat accumulation which Taubes presents as central to his thesis. I think Taubes's point about the possibility that for anyone with a metabolic disorder, even a small amount of carb, no matter whether simple or complex, can be too much for them to tolerate, is logical. Gardner's thinking is what keeps obese people obese.
I'll take a science journalist who does real science; over a big pharma servant called "An American Doctor" any day. Don't care what you call them; are they doing good science.
Whether or not I'm a vegan is not relevant. Almost all smokers today are aware that their smoking is increasing their risk of chronic diseases, but they have weighed their options and decided that the pleasure from smoking is worth the risks it poses. Similarly, I could still understand that I'm increasing my risk for heart disease by eating bacon and eggs if I decide that that breakfast creates pleasure that's worth the risk. Initially, smokers resisted the science, but now they accept it.
The trouble is, you're ignoring the science, and the damage carbs do to the epithelium..
@@hektor6766
Of course fans of Taubes are going to make assertions about their version of reality.
Look up the weston price foundation and all of the questions in this video will be answered.
+Alexandra Petretta
Because Weston Price advocated an animal fat heavy diet???
@46 Minutes-- avg weight loss on Low Carb was 20 pounds in 6 months? BS! I lost 20 in 2 months!
(continued from previous post) and the body's weight will take care of itself.
I'm 60 years old........6'2'' at 185lbs with a 29 inch waist...........and 4% body fat...the rest is lean muscle from only 90 mins a week of weight training.........I'm in better shape than any 20 something in the gym.
It is from eating for health.......not for weight.
Well, I think that the goal of the channel is to reduce the amount of preventable disease. If people are clear on the facts, then they can decide what level of health they wish to be at. It is sort of like how people still choose to smoke cigarettes, but they are aware of the increased risk of chronic disease they have because of smoking. They decide that the pleasure from smoking is worth the risk. One should also decide whether eating high cholesterol, no fiber foods are worth the risks.
When did John Denver become a nutritionist?
I used to be a nicely slim 135 pounds. Then I quit smoking and I got fat. I gained 140 pounds overnight. I struggled with diets and exercise but I'm here to tell anybody who'll listen to me, they do NOT work
I finally had to be rude to keep him flooding my PM box with WAPF nonsense. "Lets just leave it with no further correspondence, unless you really want help. In which case, I'll answer any questions. I'm happy with my current diet. i was eating too much fat when I first went vegan, but I still lost 30 pounds."---gyrate4 Do I sound mean?
Christopher Gardner is on target and gets it yet Gary Taubes on the other hand is very confused. Carbohydrates can't be grouped into one, they must be split into simple carbs and complex carbs. Whole foods (never had the cell split) like potatoes, beans, corn and rice are ok and should be eaten in abundance without toppings or butter which is fatty acid. Calorie Density relating to fat calories is the other subject that needs to be considered. One slice of butter has as much fat as 5 potatoes. Those 5 potatoes will completely fill a person while it would take 3 sticks of butter. Beef steak is full of fatty acids. Vegetables are bulky and fill the stomach. Recap: Good carbs vs bad carbs and calorie density relating to fatty acid amount.
Please open any biochem book and begin reading.
@@hektor6766 what is your point?
Plenty of individuals practice what Gary preaches and don't pay him a penny. What he says not only makes sense, but is reproducible. Doesn't take much to get a veg out of control.
What exactly was he cherry picking? Could you point out specifics as to how the studies he omitted could have helped his research project? I would like to know about them and I'm sure plant positive would too. You can leave messages in his comment section for him and his viewers to see or you could send him a personal message. He actually appreciates helpful sources for his research and if he notices a flaw in the source he might point it out in his next set of videos.
Gary's skin looks great! Its because of the quality fat he consumes,
I just find it fun to argue with these people. If any of them realised protein raises insulin significantly then the low-carb argument can be put away finally but I guess they don't even realise that
You don't understand gluconeogenesis.
I am healthier now then I've ever been following Gary Taubes (and Dave Asprey's advice). Try it and see what works for you.
So you are referencing a vegetarian website as proof? Good one.
How low was the lowest carb, did the people in his 60(30 low carbers) people study eat 150, 100, 50, 25, 0 carbs. You can live on a no carb diet, did they eat less than 30 which is a ketogenic diet. Did they eat 150 which is the lowest the nutrition community thinks is the lowest the brain can survive, but is still high. Ive been cooking real food for myself for years and my weight is still high, so its not just calories and carbs. The guy in orange isnt listening to gary and gary isnt asking him the right questions.
reason.com/archives/2003/03/01/an-exercise-in-vitriol-rather Fumento lost this one, read the comments as well as the articles and rebuttals to decide if you agree. It was also discussed on too numerous podcasts and blogs for me to bother to post here - it was 9 years ago! Try and keep up!
I could not agree more. I have tried to talk to a few vegans and out of those few, they come off as zealots, and are extremely dogmatic. THIS does not mean that all or even most vegans are this way. A few vegans on TH-cam are just so dogmatic and you can't have a civil conversation with them, gyrate4 is a prime example. He messages me, I answer him back and we engage in conversation and he becomes combative. Dude, let's just talk and be civil. No need to be tough on the internet.
The vegetarian looks like he could lose a few pounds
I didn't know anything about Christopher Gardener before viewing this video but he did not leave a very positive impression. IMHO, he got increasingly perturbed by Gary's ideas as the panel went on and was arguably descending into immature behaviour by the Q&A period. I think something was bothering him, and I can't help but wonder if he felt steamrolled by Gary's logical approach to dietary research.
You're being too vague.
It's not hut. It's a place to keep safe from weather.
It's not stream. It's water.
i never said they were NECESSARY. But it is ridiculous to tell people that carbs make you fat. In day to day life insulin is insignificant anyway because 99% of the time we eat carbs alongside fat and protein which will make the 'fast-digesting bad carbs' become slow-digesting anyway. And to claim sugar causes diabetes and just skip the other major factors like body composition, overall diet, obesity, genetics is absurd.
You don't know what diabetes mellitus means.
That's interesting. So, do you believe that any person who researches nutrition and arrives at the conclusion that people are better off without meat is spreading propaganda? I guess calling an argument propaganda is an easy way to dismiss the conclusions of anyone, even if they carefully researched the matter.
Too much info and so little punch.
I don't think you understand what "average" means.
My family and husband family are all skinny they eat noodles bread everyday every meal if no noodles bread there no other food they like
If you have any valid points to make, I'm sure PlantPositive can address them for you.
True, but if you are going to try and convince me of something, posting links to vegan propaganda site isn't going to do it.
Therefore, Taubes is probably wrong, at least with respect to the blanket "carbs cause fatness". If the carbs were to be eaten by a relatively active man WHO WASN'T INSULIN RESISTANT at a constant rate of, say, 5g per 30mins, the resulting glucose would be used up as soon as it was created, having been pushed into the cells by insulin. The problem isn't carbs, but cell receptor insulin resistance, which causes glucose to build up in the blood and cause ins to signal its storage as fat.
Then insulin injections wouldn't work for diabetics, and wouldn't cause localized fat deposits around injection sites, since the problem isn't debilitated insulin production by genetically disabled or exhausted pancreatic cells but by billions of flawed cell receptors.
@@hektor6766 The problem is people's belief in illness.