History Summarized: The Mongols
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"You don't make our lives difficult and we won't make your lives short." Most badass quote ever!
Oh shit that’s how Mafia work
Elijah Miller WAIt- fuK- that make sence-
Basically a lot of the brutality WAS in order to create a "branding" so that the next kingdom over would say "OK, let's just go ahead and surrender *before* they even bother to attack."
@@chedelirio6984 CGP Grey has forever ruined the word "branding" for me.
75% of the population of Persia was slaughtered by the mongols. Saying Iranians take a very, very Dim view of the Mongols is an understatement.
should have just surrendered
@Ankjok Ming estimations say that 2 Million People have been reduced 200 000 in the eastern area of todays Iran.
@@tobiasit2190 easy to say with hindsight.
yeah and because of that you statrted to kill the first turc you found... ottomans... dude mongols are our cousins... but it not our fault wht they did... they also attacked us, the ottoman empire... but we fucked them... well seljuk empire got destroyed but the ottoman (succesor) was founded...
75% of the population is slaughtered that doesn’t make any sense if a population was destroyed then the nation would not exist because it would be very different.
As a Mongolian, I expected you to called him Ghengis Khan, but then when I heard you say Chinggis Khan it made me so happy because that's how we say it in Mongolia. Seriously, hearing that watered my crops and cleared the skies
But “Jemuka” though
@@Tamarinne he gets the pass
@@Tamarinne what’s wrong with jemuka? I have no idea
you sound like Kublai
Big Chungus Khan
The best story of the Mongols is their attempt to take Japan. But they failed not because of their skill. They just lost the luck that Genghis was having in China and got their fleet destroyed by a hurricane... Twice!
TFW: nature gets tired of your shit, and tells you to keep it in the steppe...
Same with the Spanish Fleet. Mother Nature to OP, please nerf!
That's when he decided to switch on Hard Mode.
Japan would have fucked their shit up, anyway.
thats cute, Japan would have had its ass handed to it if the mongols got on the islands. The mongols had managed to beat one of the largest and most technologically advanced civilization at the time, while Japans economy got busted up from the Mongolian attempt which I remind you got beaten by nature, how long do you think the Japanese would have lasted if they had to repulse the full Mongolian force.. the only hope Japan would have had is the fact thats its fairly mountainous and the Mongols had issues with mountains. so maybe they would not have been completely conquered.
It was the Mongols who taught us that we should be tearing down walls, not building them up. What an inspirational group of people.
By pilling up millions of bodies of innocent people and triggering one of the worst epidemics in History. What a nice bunch.
I'd rather have a wall that keeps them out.
Hey it's you!
No, idiot! You don't see they would just walk around said wall? Better expent your money in a trip to the other side of the planet, and expect to live a long live before they come and conquer that too.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache now not just a Anime videos you pop up. Interesting
The Garden of E sim 117 slowly but surely he will conquer all of youtube comments section
Awesome video mate! It's interesting that one of the signs of an empire's downfall is when it get's too big which very often results in fracturing. Same thing happened with the Franks.
Shadiversity but what about dragons?!?
Shadiversity
Makes me wonder how we could ever make a "United Earth" like in Science fiction novels...the adminastration seems doomed...
Shadiversity Exept being really a big empire isn't a problem, China was large, yet it still exists. Modern countries tend to have better governments than ancient countries hence why they can sustain their countries far longer. Overextension isn't really a problem, once you find a system capable of maintaining it, our history has shown that with each progress, empires are getting bigger and bigger until there might even be a empire capable of holding the Entire World.
@Shad @Rising Theurge
Shad:
Wow, you actually still hang out here! BTW thank you for steering me over here!
Shad and Theurge:
There are actually super interesting mechanics in the fractureing of big empires that have a lot to do with communication delay, and there is a lot of analysis (including game theory) on this topic, mostly concerning light-speed lag in K2 civs though, since many maths and theoretical economics people love sci-fi.
Just in case you weren't familiar with the idea here is a summery (safe to skip otherwise):
When you reach a point where the time for a message to arrive is large compared to the time to make a decision, then you have a very high opportunity cost (what could be done instead) arising from the long round trip time. This basically means, that you pay for each second your message takes to arrive, not only in actually paying for the travel, but also in the form of people not being able to respond to the situation, because they are waiting for your orders.
This introduces a cost to having the decision-making centralised, and at a certain point this cost is higher than the cost of having things not go 100% perfect, and losing a degree of control.
The longer the round-trip time the more control it is worth it to give up.
Note that this does not have to come voluntarily, since the large difference in costs can fuel a pretty big revolt.
This was pretty much never the only factor, but it played a role in the "collapse" or limited direct expansion of many empires, and also why the British empire managed to be by far the largest of them all when the telegraph came along
Another (related) effect is, that one person can pretty much only manage 150 people, and only like 10 or so efficiently (you see this in army units as well, that is why companies and platoons are roughly the sizes they are). Now each "manager" has to make some decision, and thus has some amount of the total power, otherwise he would be redundant and we will ignore him.
It is quite easy to see, that (at least in between 10 and 150 people) your efficiency decreases as the number of people you manage goes up. This means, that either your management becomes increasingly inefficient at each step, or you add more layers giving up more and more control. This again adds a cost to more centralised control, this time not as the area grows, but as the number of people grows.
There are a ton more of these effects, but these two alone give a pretty good reason why big and stable empires are usually the way they are and happen when they happen.
It also explains, why stable empires are usually either big in size, or big in population or really centralised. An empire often becomes famous, when it is 2 of these, and I am not aware of one that was (unambiguously) all 3 of these
Jonas Kr. To be honest I don't give a fuck about people, who don't know anything about history or logic. If Someone would possess logic, he/she wouldn't find any faults in my argument, for there are none.
I'm actually impressed. Blue made a video about the Mongols that wasn't utterly biased. Credit where credits due, good job.
UBD What are the biased ones like?
EmblemBlade9 Usually along the lines of "*heavy breathing* THEY WERE MURDERING, PSYCHOTIC RAPISTS, AND THEIR LEADER IS A TOTAL JERK WAD!"
Yeah, as fun as these videos are, it says something that this one stands out as being UNbiased...
LoZ Collector It says something about what we think of Mongols? Blue generally stays pretty close to "as historically accurate as I can paint it"
UBD weren't they though.
"...and Mongols just invaded the most of the universe. "Nice goin', Gengis! I bet it will last a long time!" **BROKEN** "
-Bill Wurtz
"WE INVADED CHINA"
Said the Mongols.
"PLEASE RESPECT US OR ELSE WE MAY INVADE YOU AS WELL"
"Ok." _Pulling out katana_
Said Japan.
THE SUN IS A DEADLY LASER
@Jacob Wood if you notice at 7:39 there’s a bill wurtz reference
@@mattmarino4033 I was wondering if anyone else caught that.
TIME TO CONQUER ALL OF INDIA
Frontier walls are never meant to deal with massive invasions but they are particularly effective against the thousands of small raids.
If Blue ever does that fortification video he mentioned, I'm sure he'll go into more depth on why he thinks frontier walls are stupid. (I'm guessing a cost:benefit analysis will be involved!)
limes germanicus held for like 200 years so I'd say they work pretty well. Then you have to consider that the Swiss managed to use their fortifications alongside their terrain and army to achieve a state of armed neutrality.
I would argue that the Limes germanicus was disastrously ineffective (and costly), but we'll cover that when we cover that :)
You see, im quite torn about frontier walls myself. On the one hand they are quite expensive and their effectiveness is debatable- but on the other hand keeping an army posted there at all times would be more costly in the long run, so I dont know really.
But on other other hand if you need a frontier wall in the first place its because your neighboor is messing with you in some way, shape or form. And building said wall would be treating the symptoms while disregarding the condition, poorly at that. But then again, dealing with troublesome neighboors may get costly or bloody too. God this is complicated.
Please make at least one Donald Trump reference!
Everyone: The Mongol Empire was the most brutal empire to ever exist they slaughtered millions!
British Empire: Well you ain’t seen nothing yet son
But seriously I can’t see why everyone gives the Mongol Empire such crap over what empires do! If they were going to conquer that much it had to result in the death of millions, that’s how conquering works! And even then the Mongols death toll and even all the suffering they caused is nothing compared to other empires like the British, and Russian empires. Not to mention even more modern countries like the USSR had caused far worse damage for so little benefit to its own people. And also sense the world population was way smaller back during the Mongols their death toll is actually much smaller than people see it to be, it’s still huge but it’s nowhere near what people expected.
martinmarvin of sparta because one of the empires is white, the other isn’t. Same reason Alexander the Great is seen as a true warrior.
I think part of it is because while the colonial empires were cruel and merciless, they also contributed technology and advances, and western civilization, at the expense of millions upon millions of lives, whereas the Mongols primarily conquered much of Asia and then divided among themselves. They didn't contribute as much technologically. It doesn't justify what they did, but still.
The British also helped win WW2, so that might change their public image too.
The Mongol Empire split up long ago, and the last people to inhabit it died centuries ago, wheras the British Empire for example, is still in living memory.
Also, who said the Mongols weren't true warriors?
ALSO ALSO, it could be because while I don't know of much stuff the Mongols wrote themselves, plenty of stuff was written about them, and doesn't exactly paint them in a positive light.
A Space Robot of the 75th Millennium like what you said, a big reason is because of how much influence the British and other colonial powers still have over the modern world. They write most of our narratives so obviously they aren’t going to portray themselves as ruthless barbarians like they so easily do to foreign historical powers.
And I would like to counter that while these colonial powers are responsible for much of innovation and industrialisation- they did it at the expense of the very subjects of their empire. So while they contributed more to the world, it wasn’t for the benefit of their subjects, unlike the Mongol Empire
@@alessiacara4101 but foreign powers AREN'T portrayed like that. Not in our history books anyway.
if they wrote the history then they should've done a better job because they aren't painted in a positive light at all.
Unless you are the Mongols.
Red Panzer Productions Crash Course?
As the description references.
Hi, i'm John Green and this is Crash Course World History.
...or Finland.
Timothy McLean Whoops didn't read that
The Mongols were crazy effective while expanding. You don't have to like what they did to respect their power. If you don't approve of the summation of their actions, it may console you that their empire didn't survive. It's the same way I feel about the Aztecs: powerful, rich culture, influential, probably got what they deserved.
@Alvi Syahri the whole reason they fell is because the fellow mesoamericans were so sick of their warmongering that they helped Cortez sack and destroy them
@@themiband0598 Exactly. The very reason Cortez managed to enter the capital of the Aztec Empire was because he had other mesoamerican tribes by his side, tribes that were being constantly harmed by the Aztecs. It's the classic story of revenge, these tribes saw a form of salvation in the new foreigners. They didn't see that conquistadors were just as ruthless because they were already blinded by their hatred against the aztecs. This idea of a group's thirst for revenge blinding them from the other major dangers is something that happens a lot in history, and people always forget this fact because we're constantly told that in history there's only good vs evil. That's not true, every human is flawed, and everyone is capable of doing horrible things if they're pushed to their limits.
@Alvi Syahri They started whole wars to gather those human sacrifices If I recall correctly, so no.
@Alvi Syahri They had garland wars with tlaxcala and other minor 'tribes' (they're not really tribes, more like city-states) such as the huejotzingo, and chulola on the regular so they could sacrifice them (defeated enemies) to their gods. These city-state 'tribes' were sick of it and helped Cortez topple the Aztecs. It is my firm belief that Cortez couldn't have dealt the Aztecs such a crippling blow with just his advanced weaponry and disease alone.
People dont realize that the Mongol nation gave birth to a lot of dynasties which ruled Asia as late as the 19th century
**Insert Bill Wurtz meme here**
The Mongols just invade most of the universe
We've invaded China said the Mongols!
But then died in a tornado.
(actually a typhoon)
darkdreamer871 but they tried again and had such a nice time fighting with the Japanese.
The Roman empire: we're the biggest, best empire
Mongolia: That's cute
One lasted 2000 years while the other barely 200,cute
@@cristhianramirez6939 rome may of lasted a long time but most of that was either in civil war, war, raids and more
@@Swan_River_Cowboy So? They still existed and left a cultural legacy so huge that the mongol empire doesn't even compare
@@johkupohkuxd1697 The Mongol Empire was probably equivalent in percentage of global population.
It is. The Roman Empire shaped the world for the better. The mongols just slaughtered mindlessly for basically no reason at all. The Romans were civilizers. The mongols were anti-civilizers.
God: Hey mongols, how much of the world's population did u kill?
Mongols: I don't know, like 10, 25 percent my dude.
God: those are rookie numbers watch this: Permian-Jurassic extinction event.
Brendan Murphy What's God?
Somebody: Hey, you know what caused even more death than the Mongols? The Permian-Jurassic extinction event. I'm going to present this information in a humorous manner.
You: I'm going to be a 3edgy5me wad about this
Kathrina Avery
Damn son, why u gotta roast me? I ain't the cities of the mongols' enemies.
Kathrina Avery Yeah, I clearly wasn't replying to it in a sarcastic tone. You failed at your own game lol.
Slave trade, Spanish inquisition, genocide of native Americans, Nazi Germany...Various Europeans have caused more extinctions than Mongols and much later in history when they are supposed to be civilised. However, it's not really extinction when it's committed by europeans, right?
There's not actually anything that states you can't be both a genocidal maniac, AND doing everything for the good of your people.
That doesn't make it necessarily rational, but they aren't opposite extremes on a single axis... one is intent and the other is action... they can overlap.
"Right" and "wrong" don't really factor or matter in that calculation, and determining which is which is nigh impossible in non-laboratory conditions, and is largely a fool's errand.
Right? Look at Communist China
I'm going to burn down an orphanage because under it has some secret treasure that can end world hunger
Rape is pretty universally bad though, as an example. And the end result of their civilisation consists pretty much entirely of misery and suffering for everyone left behind
@u wot? i gotta disagree. War doesnt give you a blanc check to start acting like a monster. Warcrimes are a thing, and basic human dignity should still be expected. Especially if you're a massive empire and you started the war
@u wot? yeah sure, the mongols got the biggest empire in history by fighting a series of exclusively defensive wars, i totally buy that. Even if that were true their actions would still be unacceptable
There’s Big, then Stupid Big, then Chinesely Big, then Alexander’s Ambition Big, and then Mongolian Big.
On a more serious note, I think that Temujin’s life philosophy overall was rather good, he was nice to those who deserved it....or, the way he saw it, those who didn’t resist....which isn’t as noble....but the thing is that, even if you had the worst luck in history, if he thought you deserved more, he would help you.
Now, it is true that they were incredibly cruel (even if most empire were), I won’t deny that. What I like was Temujin himself, he valued people for what they were capable to do and what they were themselves. Even though he had faults, other great kings weren’t like that, really.
We are the Mongols
*Resistance is Futile*
I like your comment, but for future reference, could you call us Mongolians?
welll.. a real mongolian here
Are you referring to me or yourself?
Why is your profile pic an American flag then?
One of the reasons the Mongols never made their way into Central and Western Europe is that they were stopped by the second Mongol invasion of Hungary. So basically in 1241 the FIRST mongol invasion of Hungary, the Mongols attacked the Kingdom of Hungary and were actually almost defeated but managed to surround the camp of the bulk of Hungarian army and killed most of them. They then went on to brutally pillage and slaughter the local inhabitants (as they tended to do), and in the process killed about 20% of the kingdom's inhabitants. Having subdued the area the Mongols then pulled out their troops. Despite being crippled, the Kingdom was actually left standing. King Béla IV of Hungary knew that the Mongols would return, and so when about the next few decades reforming the Hungarian military to prepare for the potential attack rather than roll over to the Mongols. King Béla IV had observed what had been effective in fighting the Mongols in the first invasion, and used this knowledge in his reformation of the military. What makes Hungary unique for Central Europe is that it is essentially an island of flat grassland. Because of this, Hungary had few castles and stone fortifications compared to the western and central Europe which were more mountainous since castles are typically placed on high ground to give a strategic advantage. Of the few stone castles they did have though (only 10 total) none of them fell to the Mongols despite being behind enemy lines. Seeing this, the King ordered the construction of 100 new castles and fortifications 66 of which were made of stone. He had also observed that while the light cavalry which had composed the bulk of his army was ineffective against the Mongols, heavy cavalry (knights) showed considerable success as they were able to easily crush the Mongol soldiers when in a straight fight and their heavy armor resisted Mongol arrows, so he increased the proportion of knights in his army by expanding the status of nobility to large and midsize landowners. Despite having few crossbowmen during the first invasion they had also proved to be highly effective against the light armor of the Mongol soldiers, and so he hired 1,000 Venetian crossbowman. Finally, between 1259 and 1264 the Mongols sent message to the King of Hungary saying that if he lent 1/4th his army to them for a planned conquest of Central and Western Europe then Hungary would receive 1/5th the plunder, tax exemption to the Mongol Empire, and be spared from further destruction. King Béla IV refused the offer, and so the Mongols prepared a force. In the year 1285 a Mongol army composed of 60,000 men was sent to destroy the Kingdom. When they arrived the, they found the land stripped bare as all the food had been taken into the many newly built castles, of which they were unable to capture and suffered heavy casualties during all attempts. Thousands of men their men began to starve to death as wandered around the countryside continually harassed by Hungarian Knights. They Mongol army was finally crushed in a head on conflict with the royal army of Ladislaus IV (successor King) who chased the remaining forces out through the mountains of west Transylvania where they were ambushed by the Székely people who acted as light cavalry on behalf of the Hungarians. By the time the survivors made it back to allied territory nearly the entire army of 60,000 thousand had been killed, and those few who had survived pillaged their allies land for food. This event reminds me somewhat of a medieval Battle of Thermopylae, but that would probably be inaccurate. While seemingly noble to stand against the Mongols rather than aid in their planned conquest of Europe, it most likely would have been unnecessary as the weapons and defenses employed against the Mongols during the second invasion were already far more popular throughout western Europe then they were in Hungary at that time as the were not well suited to the Hungarian geography. Europe is also largely mountainous which does not play well into the Mongolian light cavalry tactics that had made them so successful everywhere else. They most likely would have been stopped by the Holy Roman Empire on their first attempt.
Jkla Alkj You need more upvotes
i think they didnt have the population to go everywhere tbh
For you guys it was the "invasion of europe", for us it was the "raid of europe". Mongolians attacked europe to get wealth and to show how powerful they were, so that no invasion would ever dare to occur from the west in the future. Mongolians, specially the people from the steppes never had that many people. All those Mongolian forces who where in the first so called invasion of europe had to stay in modern day Russia to keep control over these areas. By the time second invasion of Hungary, most of the Mongolian force were forced conscripts from the conquered lands. These conscript were not that good, royal and reliable.
Another thing is those numbers that you are giving is hard to believe. Specially coming from you guys who said that we used dragons to win the battle of Mohi.
I think you are downplaying the threat ths Mongols posed in order to make Hungary look good. The main reason the mongols did not push Europe further is because of the death of Ogedei Khan prompting them to pull back until a new Khan could be chosen. Afterwards unified leadership just kind of imploded.
it is incredible how mongols with only 400k population did so well .wiped countries with milllions of population
Empire is never worth it, but when individuals condemn the Mongols while praising the Romans with the same breath, it gets really irritating. Not talking about Blue here, just something I've noticed.
Shogun Banzai Rome created a culture and laws, that survive to this day, aswell as preserving cultures they actually conquered. We only know of Druidism because of the romans, for example.
I'm not denying the good that Rome did, but often the same people exalting Rome for its culture and laws are also condemning the Mongols for its violence and barbarism. It's the lack of rounded representation that bothers me in both cases.
Shogun Banzai for someone that goes by "Shogun Banzai", you seem to have a peculiar problem with violence.
It's all important to take into account.
It rather depends how long an empire lasts and how internally stable they were. If you have an empire like Alexander the Great's which lasted less than a decade it certainly isn't. And if you have an empire like the Ottomans who were constantly fighting for the throne then once again definitely not. The trick is to create an empire that lasts and remains unified. Rome achieved the long lasting part but had a fair few problems when it came to the second one i.e. Sullar, the collapse of the 1st and 2nd triumvirate, like the entire 3rd century ect. The British empire managed the second but not so much the first. If you could get a truly global empire who could to both it might be worth it, but that of course is easier said then done.
Ganghis Khan =
good leader
Ghansis Khan = not a good guy
There is a difference.
"A good King but a Bad Man", as 1066 And All That might have put it.
Kublai= the one to doom them all
I wouldn't put "good" anywhere near that disgusting man's name. There should only be shame because of the shame he put women and little girls through when he mutilated them.
@@chocolatecharley99 fine: competent leader
is it better?
@@chocolatecharley99 which fairy tale you live in xD
If you do end up tackling Russian history, you will absolutely HAVE to cover Ukrainian history.
And then maybe the Belarusians.
Those poor Belarusians...
"But that's just me and you're allowed to disagree." I wish more people would say that.
"Don't make our lives difficult and we won't make yours short." I need to incorporate that line into my everyday life somehow.
Don't mess with the Mongols if you wanna keep your butt in one piece.XD
Is it the music from age of mythology?
Its Age of Empires 2 music.
+El Psy
Definitely not. It might be Age of Empires 1 though.
It's Darude - Sandstorm. (In all seriousness, the ending is Age of Mythology, but I think I've heard Age of Empires 2 somewhere in the middle of the video too.)
it's age of mythology
YEEEEEES IM NOY THE OLY ONE
Persian Muslim: executes some mongols
Mongols: *flips table* that’s it we’re going in
China: oh no
Mongols: *invade China and Persia*
4:50: Tom Clancy had this to say about the Maginot Line (just such a frontier wall, for those reading the comments): "In World War I, it stopped the Germans at Paris. In World War II, it stopped them at the Spanish border."
Cold, Hot and Mountains: Trifecta of the Supreme Geographical Nope.
Inca Empire: Hold my Chicha de Jora
You should do the Gupta empire next.
No, he should the Maurya Empire.
Gupta. First name Chandra. The first.
Anyone get the reference?
Silphaer yes!yes!yes!yes!yes! I wanna see him doing a story on bindisara the son of king chandragupta cause his birth story is interesting
Ęÿūį Æßñ GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. WILL YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE IF I GIVE YOU 500 ELEPHANTS? Thanks.
_Time to conquer all of India_
Uhm...
_...most of India_
Space Dust - What about that part?
Those are the Tamil Kings, no one conquers the Tamil Kings.
[Who are the Tamil Kings]
*Merchants probably*
And they've got *SPICES!*
Jamukha x Temüjin is otp.
Candy Floss Same tho. I've a shipping problem..
Help Me, this channel only makes it worse for me tbh
Candy Floss Sorry to burst your bubble but that ship will probably be one of the toxic relationship ever. Instead i recommend you Genghis x Khulan or Genghis x Burtei Ujin , Genghis x Boorchi. And last but not least Genghis x Zelme. Last two are his best buds and been there for him during rough times. Khulan was his favorite queen and she helped him big time when they were young. Burtei and Temujin (Genghis) were engaged at very young age. They were good friends but separated due to his father's and death betrayal of others. When he reached manhood he went back for her. They got married at age 16 and 17 (Burtei was 1 year older than him.) Burtei's father was like chief of village or something and he helped Genghis a lot. Like Blue said she got kidnapped yada yada plot twist she is pregnant. No is sure who is the father. (Ps this kidnapping is kinda Genghis's dad's fault). It bugged him a lot but he accepts Zuch as his son. Genghis got popular, he gets more queens. She became jealous and probably gave them all something cause everyone except her had daughters. So yeah
Nice to see someone who is also from Mongolia here ^u^
It ends with Temujin Yesukheigiin (Temujin Yesukhei's Son) lifting Jamukha Jadaraan over his head and breaking his spine over his knee.
(I call him Yesukheigiin because he technically wasn't a Borchigid at the time).
Personally, I find myself in awe of the sheer powerhouse that the Mongol Empire was during its days of expansion, and admire the military genius of Genghis Khan. I often wonder how today would be different if the succession wasn't botched and mangled so badly.
I love this video so much simply because it comes full circle at the end. I can´t express how hyped I get every time I get to that last sentence
Quite thankful I found this channel before starting Pre-AP world history haha. You guys are awesome!
Militarily, the Mongols were a remarkably modern force. Fast-moving, with officers promoted from the ranks based on merit, adaptive to opposing forces, and unafraid to move vast distances at speed to gain an advantage.
As administrators ... they left a few things to be desired. Kinda hard to rule over a city after it has been raped and pillaged out of existence.
The book _Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World,_ while dealing primarily with Temujin himself and the cultural exchange between Europe and the Khanate and later the Golden Horde, is a fascinating and well-written look into this topic. It's limited in scope, but it's also a reasonable length. One notable wrinkle on Blue's take that I got out of that book is that the Mongols' reasons for conquering were rather different than European ones. One wrinkle on that wrinkle, which I came up with myself, is that we may not know enough about what was going on back in the sacred mountains of Mongolia to truly understand the Mongol Khans' motivations.
They tried to go down the Levante, but the Mamluks were like: "Yeah thats enough. Please stop right here and think about what you have done."
8:18 I would argue both: he was a genocidal maniac that was protecting his own people. They're not mutually exclusive. He did good things, but the ends do not justify the means.
Asia: exists
Mongols: **it’s free reel estate**
To the best of my knowledge other important things to mention about the mongols is that one they were very tolerant about other religions and before Genghis died he tried to make a legal system that would've made women legal equals in the empire.
Oh wowww so progressive. They get to be "equal" (but probably not actually equal in day to day life). Was this after brutally mass mutilating women and little girls?
@@chocolatecharley99 hope so..
If you want an answer to the "is imperialism worth it?" question, just ask a native american if they're glad to have been conquered and subordinated by europeans "for their own good".
Only the most alienated individuals can come up with justifications for the horrors of conquest.
No, empires are not worth it for the people they conquer. Period. Nobody ever wants to be conquered, especially not "for their own good", even IF we assumed that it would somehow actually be in our interest ('cause, in reality, it never is). It is just pure hypocrisy and revisionist rhetoric on the part of the oppressors and their descendants.
Absolutely right, brother/sister. Those who say imperialism is good are always revisionist and terrible. At the very best it’s needless war and at the worst it’s generations of terrible oppression. If your country has an idea they think can help other countries, just fucking peacefully and diplomatically explain your idea to them like a normal person and if the idea is truly ely good for them they’ll embrace it peacefully and if they don’t then your idea wasn’t as good as you thought. It’s not a coincidence that the conquered people of like every empire hated the empires that conquered them.
Yeah him saying that annoyed the f out of me. Glad he is in such a privileged position to say let's "agree to disagree" on mass mutilation.
Then what if we want just our own parts back? Like Baigal nuur and Inner Mongolia? It’s our land, we will take it one day.
I don't think blue ever said that anything that happened was good for the people that were conquered. Furthermore, almost every culture has oppressed someone at some point, and to group people into binary categories of "colonizer" and "colonized" just reduces and oversimplifies a complex historical narrative.
If you cancel everything related to oppression, you're cancelling human history.
@@pyropussquantscalethewell-6472 The point isn't to cancel history, on the contrary. It is to show and recognize that most of human history *is* a series of conquests and injustices which we should learn from and avoid repeating, instead of praising. Which at least you and I have the honesty of recognizing. Unlike most traditional western historians and "romaboo" who cling to the renaissance idea of Golden Age(s) of "civilizing" imperialistic unification, etc.
It's documented that: cyrus the great was a liberate king for 44% of population of the world around 300 BC. And cyrus the great cylander is refered as the frist human right declaration. who set the slaves free and treat them as his own people. He Paid for the labours and banned the slavery, gave them money and support and also gave them freedom of religion, language , culture , education and what not... he also told them to choose any job they liked and they were free to live where ever they wanted to live.and more importantly he almost conquered all of the world in that time, without killing civilians and innocents. For example: he conquered the babylon without killing anyone or shedding any blood. Because people knew that he was a messiah and not a killer, so they welcomed him in without any war or conflict.
when did he ban slavery? he is a pretty good ruler but he didn't do that where did you get that from and he did kill,you can't say he didn't,granted the ones killed were soldiers,overall he is one of the best rulers in history but i am pretty sure most of what you said other than the basic stuff didn't happen,not to mention that this is the persian side of the story of the conquest of babylon,there are other sides describing a siege taking place in babylon so yah.
The Persian empire did not have 44% of the world population in 300 BC, you would have to believe that China and India had so little population to make that possible.
CrashCourse history flashbacks intensifies
This video remind me of John Green.
Good times
HELL YEAH. I have some stronger than usual Mongolian blood in me and seeing you covering this is really cool to me. Thanks Blue!
So how's Ulanbator? Mongolia's only city... which is not a village called a city... yeah... STEPPE MADAFAKÖRZ!
@@unitymomentum Who isn't?
@@richardsantanna5398 Um... hi. Too many of my ancestors were in charge of the soldiers doing the raping. Now, if you extend it to land-grabs, my DNA is so colonizer-sourced I might not get through the shields around Wakanda.
@@lysanamcmillan7972
I'm not sure what your point was but we're all descended from rapists so it's not a big deal. I never watched black panther. I detest mediocre films made by people with no talent.
Those Mongol envoys were there to adress the issue where that same governor had robbed mongol caravan of all its goods.
Thank you OSP for making this video! I know you guys are D&D nerds 'cause you got a cameo in Jocat's video on how to be a dungeon master, so you'll probably appreciate the fact that I used your video about the Mongols to help with my research so I could add my own allegory for the Mongol Empire to my special Homebrew D&D setting. It's an empire founded and mostly ruled by Orcs because I wanted a chance to make Orcs look sophisticated and honorable (from a certain perspective) and defy fantasy stereotypes, but like the Mongols they actually believed in racial equality, so yay! I called this allegory empire the "Altanmori", because "altan mori" means "golden horse" in Mongolian. I was inspired by "the golden horde" Mongols and before I watched this video I knew from being a fan of "The Hu" (A famous Mongolian Folk-Metal band) that the Mongols had a big cultural thing about horses, so that's why I put "horse" in the name of my Orc empire. 😂🐴
Every country, society, and people group has done at least one majorly bad thing in their history. That doesn't excuse what they did, but it doesn't mean they were/are entirely evil either.
Now compare the level of bad in the mongole example though with the rest
Ya you are right herr grist
One? That would be a horrifically generous understatement. Arguably there has never been such thing as any nation, religion, philosophy, ideal, political inclination, etc that has ever lasted more than a year without a series of moral compromises. For the record I pretty much agree with you.
As of the moment of writing this, I'm finishing up my MA dissertation work on the Mongol Empire, and I can say for the most part, this is highly accurate, though I lean more towards the Mongols being more of a force of good than bad, though their conquests are highly within the grey for a multitude of reasons. That said, great video and keep up the good work!
8:10 -8:26
I think it’s both
His conscious justified that he had to conquer in order to help his people and his family. His subconscious just liked the idea of conquest, and derived pleasure from battle and death. Because of this, he let his vices go wild, he had a sound mind, because any time his morality got in the way he could justify to himself that it’s all for survival.
OSP have a new video?
Right, forget my job, loading TH-cam.
I think Ghengis was a man worried about the safety of the Mongol people, but had an off sense of morality in doing so.
There are some hypotheses that the biggest contributing factor to Mongol success was the time and place in which Genghis Khan was born in. The idea that he was born at a time when the empires of China, Korea, and Persia were divided and a shadow of what they once were.
Not that this diminishes their accomplishments, but it adds another layer to their story. Similar to how Shakespeare's success came from the fact that the English just started going towards the written word over the oral word. If he had been born later, his poetic play structures would not have been nearly as successful.
Just found your videos a week or so ago. Came for history, stayed for the fast talking summaries of classic stories.
I dont get why people are so divided on the Mongol Empire when they're literally just like every other empire
Did a lot of great stuff and also did some not-so-great stuff, that's how it is
I think you may find that people are similarly divided on many other expansive empires as well, though some are more easily categorised than others.
Mongol: “No body excepted US!”
Spanish Inquisition: ;_; ...
I asked for this and you listened. Thank you
The Mongols made each other’s empires lives difficult, and thus all of their’s were short.
I always like the music from these videos and can't help but laugh when I recognize it. A lot of Reds videos use Two Steps From Hell as far as I have noticed, and a lot of Blues videos use music I've heard from Age of Mythology. Perfect choices to set a good mood.
Yep, we had 300 cities on territory of Kazakhstan before and 30 after mongols.... but all rulers of my people later were chingizids and every kazakh now has a bit of mongol blood... so I don't know how to feel about them... but I could have ginger hair if not the fucking mongols, so I guess I'm on negative side of spectrum
Dont forget that as a Kazakh your major and most important ancestors are the Cumans-Kipchaks!!! They were described as blond and blue eyed by all the nations in the world, so they were Indo European but had a Turkic language and culture. They are the core of your people, never forget it, and always remember them! I am Cuman. Even now the surname Kipchak and Kumanov occurs in Kazakhstan. Read the ENGLISH Cuman article on Wikipedia, it is extremely detailed and you will learn many things about them which will blow you away. Only the English article has the most information and pictures, not the other languages.The Mongols are responsible for destroying the absolutely HUGE land the Cumans had and most of the Cumans left after the Mongol defeat as they were too noble to let themselves be ruled by someone else, so they went to Egypt where they established the powerful, famous and big Mamluk Empire, to Bulgaria where they established the Second Bulgarian Empire where every emperor was Cuman and the cavalry in the army were all Cumans, to Hungary where a Cuman lady became queen of all Hungarians and was responsible in creating a Cuman ruling dynasty, to present day Romania where they established the country that is modern day Romania, to Georgia where they helped the Georgians to make the most powerful kingdom in the region and helped them hold back the Seljuk Turks and saved the country and were given elite and noble status. The joke is on the Mongols though in the end, as the Mamluk Cumans utterly crushed the Mongols in a famous battle AND the Cumans who remained in the steppe gave their language and culture to the Mongols, so much so that the official language in the Mongol Empire and Golden Horde became Cuman-Kipchak.
Catalytic Nomad lol Why do you want to look western? Why cant you embrace your own beauty? Yes western culture is dominant at the moment but these thing go up and down all the time.
You need to love yourself and be your own center. Stop wanting to be like others. We all have uniqueness and beauty.
I am Mongolian and I find beauty in all people and looks. History sucks in a sense but it is what it is and our life is here today. Lets focus on the future!
I really like and respect your response!! I actually agree with a lot that you are saying. I would like to discuss this further but in private - I tried to message your youtube account but it appears you have turned private messages off in your account -can you turn them on or give me any way to contact you? Would really love to talk about this more and there is kore interesting stuff I want to say :-)
Modern Kazakhs are not the native central asian people from before Mongol Invasion and etc. Kazakhs are turkic-mongolic and that is it. I also have seen many Kazakhs with ginger hair or greenish eyes, but the majority is Turkic-Mongol with both cultures and traditions incorparated. The people who inhabbited the territory of Kazakhstan before are just a SMALL part of mixture. Just like everyone is partly African or Native Americans are partly mongoloid.
Actually the only description that possibly exists of Genghis Khans appearance was one of his decedents lamenting that his son didn't inherit his grandfathers red hair, either the Great Khans or the grandfather on the mothers side who knows.
I get nostalgic whenever i watch these because of the music. Age of mythology was my favorite game of all time, it still is, and it makes me want to play it when i listen to the music
I like how he made the the Mongol Empire blue and China red
China:Made a gigantic wall to protect them from the mongols
Mongols: Go around it
You need a strong united dynasty not just a wall, but appreantly it was not the case at that time, China is fractured and both north and south dynasties were at its last moment.
5:20 when your ancestor(13C Korea) capitulates to the Mongols but the dynasty become best buds with Kublai Khan Game-of-Thrones-style, 10/10 will be Mongol royals again until Ming show up.
I love the little Bill Wurtz reference at 7:39 XD
Really should've covered Timur and the other mongol related dynasties.
Mughals! They were awesome!
dose that mean we'll see a video on them specifically, that would be great.
Mughals? It is one thing to shorten our name to Mongols, but Mughals? I'm confused.
Sorry, I just found out who Mughals were. Sorry.
Loki Laufeyson
Boi.
I personally admired the mongol empire. Yes it was tragic for 25% of the population but overall still an impressive force
If I could travel back in time, I would replace Genghis Khan
Mongols conquer the world, but fewer people die or suffer
Technology and Knowledge unites the world under my Futuristic Utopia
Christian Dauz no way, the conquered would rebel because you didn't kill them and cities wouldn't just surrender to you because of you're reputation
How about my Tanks and Airplanes. Would that pacify the conquered people
I guess that would work, I thought you were bringing yourself but sill need to mange an empire spanning toehold world and if your enemies steal your tanks and planes well...
Those estimates by western historians are largely based on prejudice, a lot of people did die but 25% is way over exaggerated. Spanish and british empires caused more death and extinction more recently and their actions were based on racist ideologies.
2:55 Jambuka: "Guess what scrublord, I boiled your generals alive!"
Temujin: "By the power of this fuzzy hat, I will open up a FEIRCE can of whoop-ass on you"
HAHAHAHAH...LOL🤣😂😆 I'm dying. I love it.
"Hell yeah! Now we've got business!"
if you did not sing that in a bill wurtz voice, you're lame
Based off of just the info in this video (so feel free to add more info if this view point seems too limited) , it seems to me like the empires rapid expansion stopped being necessary pretty quickly. I don’t understand why they couldn’t have just stopped after a while
As I’ve read recently, that’s the nature of empire. It’s a hungry, gluttonous beast that somehow brings both great good and great evil in its wake. (The second sentence wasn’t apart of the quote, that’s just how I view empires.)
The expansion into the Persian west happened in response to a slight, and once that ball got rolling, it didn’t stop until they hit desert. It might’ve happened because the Mongols got too excited and decided to keep going while they were on a roll. Or, they believed that if they just stopped with that one city, the rest of the other country would perceive that as weakness and counter-attack, so the Mongolians decided to keep going and conquer as much as they could as a show of force while they had momentum. Momentum is the most important thing for cavalry, and horsemen would have understood that best.
This is all just theory that I came up with. There’s no way to know if it’s correct, or anything else, really. There could be records that I’m unaware of, so who knows. But, the fact that the Mongolians had a record of not destroying a city unless resisted, and they killed so many people when they expanded west leads me to believe that they, at least, felt the need to continue conquering them.
Major Props for the Age of Mythology soundtrack
Greg: "Hey can I talk about the Mongols?"
Genghis: "NO"
Greg: "Why?"
Genghis: *THE MONGOLS ARE DEADLY LAZERS*
8:57
needs "and they didn't go to Japan because of typhoons, twice"
It would be really interesting to see how they operate in battle -(I'm still trying to separate the myths from the actual facts)-
0:53 *We're the exception!*
(cue the Mongoltage)
Really good video here and very unbiased too, which is praiseworthy in and of itself. Any clues on what we can expect less? Are episodes chosen by patreons or something? Do you guys even have a Patreon page?
LoZ Collector how is there a damn bias on this, they killed, tortured and raped in unholy numbers...of course they're scum. You can't ready apply "well there's a side to everything" bullshit.
Did you know that the Mongols enforced religious tolerance under their empire? Unlike literally every other nation on the planet, there wasn't so much as a tax for not being a certain religion. Further, it was said that a woman could walk naked from one end of the Mongol empire to the other, with a gold plate in her hands and never once be accosted, as they enforced their laws that well. Speaking of women, Mongol women often held a great deal of power, certainly more than in China, the Middle East, or Europe at the time. The Mongols re-vitalised trade that had been suffering from the fragmentation of nations along the Silk Road and Blue mentioned the Yuan Dynasty's boom of culture, art and science before the big one by the Ming a little later.
Yes the Mongols were UTTERLY brutal and ruthless to ANY who opposed them, but by all accounts, life under their rule was actually much better for the people they ruled over, than it had been when they were independent. EVERY nation, EVER has done horrible things in the pursuit of power and many didn't even use their power to do good things for the majority of their conquered people. The Mongols were just the most effective people at the time, when it came to attaining power.
There is a reason I see the Mongols more as an event in history than an empire.
Do ancient China next please.
Omg the John Green description. Yas. But also I'm pretty sure John Green would love this, there's nothing to dislike
Mongol here. Sup, noobs.
Hi Mongol, I'm Qipchak. Your Islamic cousin from the North.
Hi, Qipchak, Good to hear from family.
bloodspilla55 lol
sup steppe savage, go pet your horses now that you can't steal shit from the civilized world anymore.
like you are a civilized one, finnish boi :D
I should comment: the never pushed any further into Europe because Europeans are *fricking good* at warfare. The strategy of fortifying the absolute sh*t out of cities and towns, and sallying out with knights - which, in a nutshell, would kick the crap out of the Mongols when they met in open combat. By using this sort of area denial tactic, they were able to keep the Mongols from moving freely - and the Mongol armies depended on movement. If they could not move freely, they would run of food, fodder, etc.
The Mongol Empire spread from Korea to the Danube. I live near the Danube(in Germany, not Romania, Hungary or Bulgaria).
9:54 Actually the Chagatai Khanate was the longest lasting khanate of the 4, arguably. The Khanates various successor states would go on to be the birthplace of the Timurid empire, and when that collapsed, the surviving rump state would create the Mughal empire in India. Because of that, it can be argued that the Mongol Empire lasted until the mid-1800s.
"By the power of this fuzzy hat i will open up a FIERCE can of whoopass on you!"
Interesting... I was taught in my history classes that the Mongols made it to India and set up the Mughal empire.
Ameet Mathew the Mughal empire wasn’t set up by mongols they came a century later in India. When mongols were already gone.
Some Mongols stayed at the places they conquered and mixed with the local people. After the fall of the Mongol empire, their mixed descendants along with Persians conquered India. Babur, the founder and first emporer of the Mughal empire was a mixed Uzbek with Mongol blood, descendent of Tamerlane, who was a Turco-Mongol Uzbek conqueror.
1:33 that's definitely true for Julius Caesar and Napoleon and kind of Mussolini as well
Hello Blue, I'm Mongolian citizen and I want say that Thank you for giving good summarizing of my nation. Oh and also I just started watching channel, you and Red are great
How have i never found this channel??? I love reading and this kind of stuff! SO AWESOOMMMEEE!!
Its so funny that Blue defends Rome’s victory but not the Mongols
Oddly enough, as far as I can remember from class, a lot of the Mongolians seemed to have no problem converting to Islam. In terms of their Western empire, a lot of that was eaten up by Islam, but not because of war between the two factions. Rather, the Mongolians just kind of saw the way Islam was going, and basically just said, "If you can't beat them, join them." They might have TRIED beating them, and from the whole theme of genocide that this empire seems to have going with it to begin with, they might have been good enough to put up a fight, but the Muslims were by this time known as exceptionally motivated fighters, believing that a real Jihad would send the souls of their fallen directly to Heaven. In other words, they believed that, either way, they would have nothing whatsoever to lose, and that's a really helpful mindset to have when you're building an empire of your own. That's why the Mongols didn't last in Africa or the Middle East, or at least not for too long. Like I said, this is all based on memory though, so I might be wrong.
The fact that most of the related people living west of them on the steppe had also been Islamic since the 8th and 9th century probably also helped convince them.
That would do it too, definitely.
Mongols still had Tengri practices even after converting to another religion.
Mongolians don’t care about religion like most Muslim, Christians, Jews and Hindus.
We have a saying “As long as you pray for Mongolia be any religion you want.”
The Mongol empire was known for having religious freedom.
So where ever we settle we take up the custom of the land and integrate it into ours.
Thats why we are Nomads! We always grow and keep an open mind as possible.
The Mongolians have something in common with I Love Lucy and Mr. Krabs...
...They ALL WANT TO GET RICH ASAP!
I started World ap history this week and these vids are gonna be real helpful for this year, thank you for making these ❤️❤️
I love that AOM OST bro. Brings back memories
Wasn't the Khwarazmians Turkic? The whole Middle East was pretty much Turkic before and even after the Mongols. Well the dynasties atleast except the Mongol period.
+Kadir Aksu The Khwarezmians are one of the ancestral precursors to the inhabitants of modern day Tajikistan, though they were ruled by a class of Qipchak-descended aristocrats who conquered the area previously. They themselves were Persians, probably related to the ancestors of the Iranians and Pashtuns.
Einarr Steelfist so Persianite Turks were the ruling class ,probably a Turkic army, while the people was Persian? This does make sense.
Persians (Iranians) are Indo-Aryan (just like the Kurds, Germans, and Gypsies) and NOT Arab
Turks are Altaic (Mongols and Tartars fall into this category as well)
what can you say but.
if you don't know history , you are doomed to repeat it
I love Blue. He's such a dork.
Processing a surface-level Star Wars reference and just...going for it. Ya big nerd.
Temajins original wife's name was Borte
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"History is complicated-"
My mind: " *deus vult infidel* "
Please do a history episode on Central Asia! You almost got into here and in the one about Ancient Persia but not quite. It's so hard to find videos or any history at all about that region of the world in the Western hemisphere, which is such a shame because I'm from there so I'd love to learn more about it.
One thing not mentioned here is that the waves of Mongol conquest actually caused a man-made climate change: Since so many people were killed, it removed millions of tons of carbon from the atmosphere and actually cooled the planet. If any part of their story merits the question “was it worth it?”, I think that does.
"From Poland to Korea I ravaged the land
Now my DNA´s in dudes from New York to Japan"
I think that describes quite acurately the Mongols influence in the world. xD
Yeah, stopped by glaciers to the north, mountains to the south, the Pacific Ocean to the east, and, if legends are to be believed, Dracula in the west.