@@justinjakeashton kr and cn build it first item because it is broken to end game with first baron at 20 minutes. Even pzzang builds it second item now after bork rush.
You can also buy Hullbreaker in base and undo/sell just a few milliseconds after the spawn of a cannon minion and it will also keep the buffs. That is, if you stand close enough to the cannon minion spawn.
This makes me curious, does Neeko gain stats if she disguises as a cannon minion from Hullbreaker? And if so, could she get a permanent stat from this bug? Could it stack?
Intuitively this bug seems pretty easily fixable, if you just change for what the empowered minions check for But then again its a viego bug, so it will probably stay in the game for a nother 6 months
@HextechLab You can give the buff on the minion an on-actions-update check whether any of the champions in range have the hullbreaker distribution buff or not. That's BASICALLY how baron buff on minions works, too. Frank and I put the details on Baron Buff on the wiki a while ago, if you want to read up on them.
@@Caenen_LeagueTechnical i'm pretty sure they made hullbreaker like that to avoid lag by doing less checks, but if the baron buff does a proper 'constant' check like that already and it doesn't cause any perceptible lag, then it should have been made on the same way. it SHOULD be an easy fix, unless there's some spaghetti code that would mess up with some part of it
Checking for circle-circle overlap is absurdly cheap, why don't they just check whether the hullbreaker's effect radius overlaps the minion's hitbox every tick?
@@Lagger625 For that you need to have the buff on the minion keep track of the champions who applied it and the every 0.25s you could easily check if they're still in range - fairly easy, that's how Baron buff does it (with some extra caveats). The checks to do this more generally are also made _fairly_ cheap already, so the game doesnt necessarily have to search through all units on the map or anything. Having it keep track of the ID of the owner of the hullbreaker buff is the cheapest however. Not sure why you're mentioning circle-circle overlap, checking for overlap with units' center and radius edge is built into the game engine just fine.
Can you stand in base, buy Hullbreaker, wait for the cannon minion to spawn and get the buff, then sell Hullbreaker to make minion have the buff indefinitely without Viego? Basically is shop in range to do this?
I do range measurements near blue fountain and with Hullbreaker's 1050 range, it should _barely_ be in range for the bottom and top lane minion spawn location, possibly not mid lane. I dont have the means to test it right now, nor am I sure on red side for that matter. Viego swapping forms practically does the same as selling and buying all items in his inventory, just with a modified 0 gold refund and cost. That's also why on ARAM you occasionally hear shopkeeper quotes thanking you for shopping when you untransform as Viego.
- Viego the bug king - I'm not really surprised because every time I play this character I always encounter weird things, like when I transform into Galio and I go back to my original form I still have Galio's magic resistance passive.
so can you do the same thing by buying and selling the item as a new wave spawns and walks away? or is the range not enough / effect not applied fast enough
@@sethfurno Oh, they must've used the wrong event for that then in the script. Buff removal on real unit death, which happens to Sion when he passive runs out, is normally an easy condition.
It says that the buff isn't removed by selling/loosing. Does that mean we can sit in spawn buying selling and undoing that process to buff every minion wave?
@Caenen_LeagueTechnical I don't think it can impact too much to worry about + you lose one teammate in the process. But this needs to be fixed before someone finds a way to exploit it
The only thing that surprises me is how long it took to notice this, Viego will always Viego
Dead item. Also, whoever is building Hullbreaker would probably kick Viego's teeth in.
@@justinjakeashton not dead at all, even people are buying it with jinx even tho it kinda sux with her
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@@justinjakeashton kr and cn build it first item because it is broken to end game with first baron at 20 minutes. Even pzzang builds it second item now after bork rush.
You ain't my dad lil bro, I'm gonna try this in rank
Meanwhile in /All chat: "Yo, buy Hullbreaker so I can kill you and bug abuse!"
You can also buy Hullbreaker in base and undo/sell just a few milliseconds after the spawn of a cannon minion and it will also keep the buffs. That is, if you stand close enough to the cannon minion spawn.
This makes me curious, does Neeko gain stats if she disguises as a cannon minion from Hullbreaker? And if so, could she get a permanent stat from this bug? Could it stack?
iirc Neeko can not become Hullbreaker or Baron minions
@@iciclearms What if hullbreaker buffs a neeko that is disguised as a normal minion? Then that hullbreaker gets lost due to viego shenanigans.
@@朕是神 neeko can't get any minion specific buffs
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Intuitively this bug seems pretty easily fixable, if you just change for what the empowered minions check for
But then again its a viego bug, so it will probably stay in the game for a nother 6 months
The empowered minions just have the buff on them, they aren’t checking for anything and I am pretty sure this is not easy to change.
@HextechLab You can give the buff on the minion an on-actions-update check whether any of the champions in range have the hullbreaker distribution buff or not. That's BASICALLY how baron buff on minions works, too. Frank and I put the details on Baron Buff on the wiki a while ago, if you want to read up on them.
@@Caenen_LeagueTechnical i'm pretty sure they made hullbreaker like that to avoid lag by doing less checks, but if the baron buff does a proper 'constant' check like that already and it doesn't cause any perceptible lag, then it should have been made on the same way. it SHOULD be an easy fix, unless there's some spaghetti code that would mess up with some part of it
Checking for circle-circle overlap is absurdly cheap, why don't they just check whether the hullbreaker's effect radius overlaps the minion's hitbox every tick?
@@Lagger625 For that you need to have the buff on the minion keep track of the champions who applied it and the every 0.25s you could easily check if they're still in range - fairly easy, that's how Baron buff does it (with some extra caveats). The checks to do this more generally are also made _fairly_ cheap already, so the game doesnt necessarily have to search through all units on the map or anything. Having it keep track of the ID of the owner of the hullbreaker buff is the cheapest however.
Not sure why you're mentioning circle-circle overlap, checking for overlap with units' center and radius edge is built into the game engine just fine.
The hard part is playing against an enemy that ACTUALLY BUILDS Hullbreaker 😂
Can you stand in base, buy Hullbreaker, wait for the cannon minion to spawn and get the buff, then sell Hullbreaker to make minion have the buff indefinitely without Viego?
Basically is shop in range to do this?
I do range measurements near blue fountain and with Hullbreaker's 1050 range, it should _barely_ be in range for the bottom and top lane minion spawn location, possibly not mid lane. I dont have the means to test it right now, nor am I sure on red side for that matter.
Viego swapping forms practically does the same as selling and buying all items in his inventory, just with a modified 0 gold refund and cost. That's also why on ARAM you occasionally hear shopkeeper quotes thanking you for shopping when you untransform as Viego.
- Viego the bug king - I'm not really surprised because every time I play this character I always encounter weird things, like when I transform into Galio and I go back to my original form I still have Galio's magic resistance passive.
so can you do the same thing by buying and selling the item as a new wave spawns and walks away? or is the range not enough / effect not applied fast enough
Viego should be removed from the game for plethora of reasons.
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Thank you for letting us know this is still a problem
That means that if as Bard I ult my Cannon minion as it just spawned, then quickly sell my Hullbreaker, this minion would keep the buff?
Fix the bug? Nah, Rito ought to just reword Hullbreaker to make this interaction a feature
Is the Hullbreaker's range long enough to buff minions from the spawn ?
So you can buy it, buff cannon and cancel the buy?
is that a new icon for flash?
Sadly yes
Sion can keep empowering even when dead.
Sion keeps all item effects while running around in passive.
@@Caenen_LeagueTechnical Even after passive he still empowers. i've taken inhibs with the wave natural pushing itself.
@@sethfurno Oh, they must've used the wrong event for that then in the script. Buff removal on real unit death, which happens to Sion when he passive runs out, is normally an easy condition.
It says that the buff isn't removed by selling/loosing.
Does that mean we can sit in spawn buying selling and undoing that process to buff every minion wave?
If it is in range, yes.
If people started doing that a lot, expect it to get fixed, though.
@Caenen_LeagueTechnical I don't think it can impact too much to worry about + you lose one teammate in the process.
But this needs to be fixed before someone finds a way to exploit it
Let's make a champion that can transform to enemy champions and have all their items even if behind, what could go wrong.
So orn can buy and undoo next to a minion?
Ornn? Anyone can do this. The range is barely high enough that you can buff a cannon minion from base.
They should've just delete this champ so many problems
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