Stossel: The College Scam
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- Government pushing college harms America.
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A new book makes the case against education. Who would argue against education?
Economics professor Bryan Caplan. He tells John Stossel that "what we need to do is to go back to a world where college is not so accessible."
That's because most people don't learn much in college. Studies find that a third of people haven't learned anything detectable after four years in college.
Yet government pours about $80 billion a year into college subsidies.
"Taxpayers ought to know that they're getting ripped off," Caplan tells Stossel.
He says taxpayer money mostly helps more people signal their ability to conform to college expectations.
When people get fancier degrees, says Caplan, "their income generally goes up...but the reason...is not really that college is pouring tons of job skills into you. The reason is that it's impressive."
Lots of signaling, he points out, is bad for society.
"Imagine that you were at a concert, everyone's sitting down and you want to see better," Caplan says. "What can you do? Well, you can stand up, and of course then you'll see better. Now, it does not follow though that if everyone stands up, everyone sees better."
As more people get degrees, more employers demand that "signal."
Employers now require degrees for "jobs where it used to be crazy to think they would need a college degree," like being a high-end waiter, says Caplan.
Stossel pushes back: Surely college is also about learning.
Caplan responds that if students wanted to learn they can just walk on to a campus and attend class. Caplan says professors are happy to let the student attend. But few students do that.
"In people's bones they realize that what really counts is that diploma," Caplan argues.
Caplan does think college is great for a few people like him-tenured professors. He can never be fired, gets paid well, and only has to teach classes for five hours a week.
"That's a scam," Stossel responds, "we're paying so much money for people like you to teach five hours."
"Yeah. Well, I'm a whistleblower," Caplan quips.
Caplan says we should stop subsidizing the scam: "The wisest solution...would be if government just got out."
Stossel agrees: Separate school and state.
The views expressed in this video are solely those of John Stossel; his independent production company, Stossel Productions; and the people he interviews. The claims and opinions set forth in the video and accompanying text are not necessarily those of Reason.
It's not about learning anymore. It's about passing.
Correct.
Passing, going in to debt studying a worthless career, and being brainwashed by Leftist Socialist Teachers.
@@J.D.Vision None of my teachers pushed any sort of agenda. Then again, I'm in a STEM major. Most of them have been vocally right.
I spent my college years getting drunk and passing classes. Getting an education came in a distant third. I was NOT alone, my peers did the same.
In calculus I literally passed the class with a 70.1 lol
A buddy of mine had several businesses, a couple of bars, coin machine business, and real estate investments. When people would ask him where he went to college he would reply, "I didn't but, all of my bartenders did."
I love this...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Savagee
Did he employ AOC?
His bartenders must’ve majored in gender studies lmao
Well, If I had to hire a bartender one of the criteria would be that he/she is well educated and sociable, someone that is a good listener and can carry on a good conversation.
And I think most of non-technical college graduates fit into this category
Plumbers are charging $110 an hour where I live. They have no college debt (most of them). And their jobs cannot be outsourced.
Except for time, which is a finite resource.
N S people live their house alone with a plumber? I'm not calling plumbers thieves but I'm not bringing some guy from the phone book to have open access to my house.
A Mexican will do it for half thems been plumbin since they was double digits not younger cuz too dangerous
I went to college, and it had a lot of shit to deal with, but I still rather deal with that type of shit over plumber’s type of shit....
Also hours for plumbin is bullshit you get contracted and thats it no need for charging such high prices how the hell are broke people supposed to afford yah services this is why I support no license no inflated wages
May not be good for health at later age but hey mercs and strippers aint doin their "jobs" at later age.
The day I left college was the day I started learning.
When people ask where I learned a basket of job-critical skills, I reply "Fairfax Connector Univiersity". Fairfax Connector is a bus line where I read books while commuting.
@@exchequerguy4037 we need alternatives to college to have professional value. But they don't because college gets all the money. what a corrupt system.
That would be tech colleges. They are far cheaper for tuition and double the salary of most traditional college degrees.
The day I left my parent's house was the day I temporarily stopped learning. Upon graduation, I began listening to my parents again because over the previous four years I had learned just how smart they truly were!
But you have no proof that you know it.
You know it's a scam when the most common reason given to get a college degree is because you just need one
@Brick Stone you bought the lie. College is safest bet for job because people don't want to go into the trades? That logic makes no sense. The safest bet would be to go into trades since there's an abundance of available jobs due to people not wanting to go into the trades.
@@OvertheHIL524 i try to explain this to people. Nobody bites. Whats better? 60k a year debt free? Or 80k a year with mounting student loan interest?
@@JeremySharpSMSG ,
The smartest and most successful billionaires didn't attend college,
or, dropped out, early.
Elon Musk, for example.
@@solascriptura-e7t Another favorite example of mine is Richard Branson. In his book "Like A Virgin" he stated that had he gone to business school he wouldn't have learned what he did in order to be the entrepreneur that he is.
@@JeremySharpSMSG 60k a year with no debt sounds good to me. I'll bite that.
What I hate the most is that people who don't go to college and follow an alternative path in life get looked down upon. Can't wait till this student loan bubble bursts and people start opening their eyes to the scam right in front of them
Stas Serfes facts
I chose a trade and I live comfortably.
I want to be an electrician.
@LAKERSRon15Artest that's what's up man! Did you start your business straight out of High School or?? I just graduated high school and I'm considering College. But focused on building my online business as well.
I mean, it only sometimes happens. I said fuck college and got into tech. I'm on track to retire by the time I'm 35, and all of my friends who paid a ton in student loans is now asking me how to do it.
We go to school to take classes we don't care about, to get jobs that bore us, so we can buy things we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress people we don't like.
Very well stated
Paraphrasing Fight Club. Nice.
SHHHH we don’t talk out fight club
Night club reference, right
One of the realest comments I’ve read today ✊🏿
if everybody's special, then nobody is special.
Then you will become a specialist
Once everything is illegal, nothing will be.
Can I borrow this? Its such a beautiful statement.
@@braydenbledsoe3252 Its a cartoon quote. The Incredibles.
@MartinStringer You watch too many cartoons
Never went to college. Instead, I went into the military, and then a trade apprenticeship. Now I’m a master electrician at age 36, own my own home with no mortgage, and make 100k a year on average.
Nice! What's the best way to get into a trade apprenticeship?
@@directorbeau If you need to ask, your performance will be inferior.
Figure it out from logical/first principles.
Use evolution, neuroscience, logic, game theory as help.
70k a year trucking and I'm still home everyday with no student loan debt... tell me more about your masters degree in unmarketable skills
For which company?
Dude you better look up Andrew Yang. Start training yourself for other forms of work because right now they’re working on electric trucks that drive themselves. It’s expected to hit the market around the middle of the next decade, likely making nearly all truck drivers irrelevant around 2030.
@@MrRainbowSprinkles it'll b a while for that buddy. I have yet to see a self driving car in Chicago
Ive also heard being a garbageman pays well
Gonz Wouldgo bro, lemme get a job like that. Software is boring as shit
Need more Trade Schools and Apprenticeships.
I did that I took 1 year of half day classes at a trade school while in high school then went full time my last 2 years of high school. Took a heavy equipment class got out of school when I was 18. Got a job on the railroad bought a car then an RV and live in it by choice going from job sight to job sight. Not married, don't own property, pay no taxes other than state and federal income tax. I'm already set to retire at 45 with the chunk of money that is in the bank.
Even trade schools barely teach you what is needed. Might as well find an apprenticeship as you said.
It depends upon what trade you are interested in.. I worked on agricultural and construction equipment, I went to a so called trade school to update my knowledge of heavy truck repair, now I get offered less money to repair diesel trucks than I made working at mcdonalds.
Why, to learn a trade that won't exist in the future.
Ultimo D Oh my god. You are Sheldon Cooper's favorite!
The internet is the future of education.
Matrix Man yep, im in the middle of starting a bussiness and learned everything online for maybe $700 through non college classes
The Shagidelic Gamers Udemy?
Matrix Man codecademy, youtube and books and meeting with bussiness owners
The Shagidelic Gamers can I ask how you went about this process of meeting business owners?im 18 and I too want to start my own business and educate myself online
Riley Bellin local chamber of commerce, and from there you find the highest paid people and become friends with them, have one of them mentor you. Save enough money for a suit that fits (not a cheap coat and pants something that makes you look nice) and save to start an llc, in terms of education, find an influencer in your niche and learn from them, then further that education through udemy or even an influencers program. Lastly, once you start your business the very first thing is to generate revenue, websites are only good if you have people coming to them, once you generate enough revenue then pay someone to do the work for you, (some recomendations are konkor.io, fiver, and upcity. Make sure they have a 5 star rating and are trainable) the hardest part about building a business is the self confidence to be a boss to someone. Also make sure you charge what youre worth, not a penny less
college should only take 2 years. but you have to take a lot of classes that have nothing to do with with your degree you are trying to achieve. I had to take women's studies, a few calculus and business law and an art history class which none had to do anything with my major.
yeah, got robbed just like the rest of us and yes I got computer engineering degree and yes I got robbed.
Woah woah woah hold up. What's that college at 3:21 ? Does anyone know? That's insane
college takes 4 years because professor have to get paid in an 2 hour class 80% of my notes was how good her son was in soccer and 20% was about the class subject they need to get paid 25/hr.
Exactly, if you're becoming a business major why do you need to take a philosophy class.
Same here. I am studying accounting and had to take business law, business calculus, art classes, world history, art appreciation. Like seriously??
I always had a gut feeling that something about college wasn’t right when I was in high school, despite always being pushed towards going to college by teachers and my parents
did you go?
Bureaucracy and corruption are the key words there. The system is rigged against students. Professors can pass or fail students as they please--with no criteria to back it up. Professors are never ever held accountable for anything they teach, let alone for even showing up to class on time or at all and informing students ahead of time of any changes in coursework, due dates, test dates, or missed classes on the professors' ends themselves. Completed course credits become transferrable or non-transferrable according solely to each individual university's protocol--even if it's the same major with the same classes and the same unit value at multiple schools. It's all whack. Combine that with the fact that your college degree doesn't even guarantee you a menial job that barely requires a high school education. And yes, every new generation of high school grads are being led to believe that college is their only ticket to even the most remote success. College is now being rubbed in middle and even elementary school students' faces for crying out loud! It's as if that's the only reason you are going to school to begin with--to prepare for college that is supposed to be OPTIONAL education. But because college has now become another level of general education, it has lost its charm and leaves graduates (many of whom only enrolled in college to please their parents who never went to college and now regret it, so they live entirely through their offspring from the moment they are born to the moment when the parents themselves literally die) distraught in their early-mid 20s rather than maintaining that optimism they had when they entered their first class as 18-year-old Freshmen.
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251
The biggest flaw in higher education is the fact that colleges know students are replaceable. Why should they treat you fairly as a student when there's always another applicant in line that will take your place? If you don't give them money to sit in a classroom, they know someone else will. That's why colleges don't care if rape accusations are false, for example. They want to use the accused as a sacrificial lamb as a means to make the public think they actually care about the students' wellbeing, and some other student from the accused's program will take his place after he's expelled. Same thing is true for other students who are abused by teachers and transfer out of their class/college. The directors, deans, and provost won't care, because YOU as a student aren't how the school makes money. It's the teachers that make the school money.
If the administration comes down on a teacher and they end up quitting or getting fired, that's lost revenue for the college, because now all of the classes the teacher used to have are all gone and the tuition that students were paying to sit in those classes are gone as well. There's also the hassle the admins have to go through to find another teacher to replace the one they just lost, which means more work for them. It's a topsy turvy system where the people paying for the service are given the least concern, while the treatment of employees are given top priority.
imo The top brass at colleges are clowns chasing money that decorate their business in a prestigious manner. They use all sorts of fancy titles to describe their positions, have golden plaques on the walls with quotes about how invaluable education and learning is, and have webpages about the college's moral code and integrity in truth and justice or whatever. In reality, they have no specific job skills that qualify them for the position of provost, dean, etc., over the general public, they could care less about education and are only focused on increasing revenue to the college, and instead of abiding by whatever moral codes they list, they instead hide behind lawyers to weasel them out of trouble as they adamantly violate students' rights (if they're publicly funded) and their own policies. These people are scum of the Earth and deserve no respect...
UndertakerU2ber, "rape allegations are FaLSE". Yeah, they're not. :)
Professors are miserable scum, generally. And all the admin bloat. Fuck that. Left college and taught myself well enough to land work in engineering. We should all leave in droves and let them flounder.
College is for dummies.....and I was one of those dummies that went!
Unless you are going to be a specialist, like a doctor or lawyer or engineer
You can spend your time much more effectively in 4 years of sales training.
The Future Is Here I’m an software engineer and I went to a 2 year community college. Now my employer is paying for me to get a bachelors so they can promote me higher. HR is the gatekeeper. Actual engineers don’t care so long as you can do the work. And I’d argue that you don’t even need a 2 year degree to do my job, just an aptitude for problem solving and the ability to read and think deeply.
Exactly! It all depends what you study.
How about architecture?
I think college was well worth it, but I went for engineering and got the skills I needed. Lots of math and physics.
not really. i wanted to teach english overseas and need a 4 year degree to do that which is why i went to college If i did not go to college I would be living in my tiny room complaining about how horrible the USA is. Now I have a decent apartment and an attractive Asian girlfriend who is happy to listen to me complain about how horrible the usa is
This isn't new and Stossel has spoken about this before. College is a waste of time and money for many people. The "need" for college is largely manufactured. Most jobs can be, and probably should be, learned by doing. Hell, I was an engineer...a licensed civil engineer...and I didn't go to college. I learned on the job, worked my way up and studied on my own for the exams. Most kids are simply accruing debt and living on taxpayer subsidies to get degrees in fields they probably won't ever work in. They end up learning on the job anyway.
Some do but most do not. They get an entry level position that ten years ago could be had with a high school diploma...if they even get a job in the field they studies for. Not only do you get more of something when you subsidize it, you get an over-saturated market...especially in popular fields of study. I'd imagine it's nearly impossible to get a warm and fuzzy job in the Marine Biologist field. And even if you can manage to get one, it's probably not working with sea turtles in Fiji. It's cleaning up the aquarium at an indian casino in Oklahoma.
Yeah the rent seeking ASCE fixed that glitch big time.
I agree. when it requires a police officer to have a 2 year degree. but you need a highschool diploma to become a MP when its the EXACT SAME JOB.. there's an issue
I studied Industrial Maintenance, and graduated with honors, at a vocational college and I still have trouble finding a job as a mechanic. I thought this would be practical. Tuition was relatively cheap and industrial mechanics around here usually start out at $20/hr. But it seems like every plant around here expects to only hire mechanics that can overhaul an entire satellite while in orbit. Meanwhile, most of the old timers that have been mechanics in these same plants started in their early 20's with no education and little more experience than working on their trucks with their dads on the weekends.
I do feel like it was older generations that have brainwashed us that going to college and getting a degree (any degree) is somehow better than no degree. And we all know what happened after that...
The biggest racket in America. Allow companies to give knowledge tests verses requiring degrees, so people can educate themselves in libraries - and watch 90% of higher education change their operations overnight.
People can already do this but they don't try hard enough. Learn the stuff and then campaign on every outlet to get the attention of possible employers. Show them you have the skills and they won't care if you have a degree. Worst case scenario you put a bs BS on your resume
@@Tomas-bd9uv Employers also want to hire people who have the right attitude -- perseverance, can-do, willingness to work hard, respond to constructive criticism and be the best you can possibly be at what you're doing. Someone with a degree can still be entitled, lazy and used to safe spaces and "everyone gets a trophy".
Companies are already "allowed" to do that, but they won't because they're run by people who've been brainwashed too
You can already do this, and its commonly done in computer programming. If you know the knowledge for college classes then you can opt to pay to take just the final; and you get the grade you get.
Erik Strand computer programming may be one of the rare exceptions where if you have great skills you might not need the degree
It is not about "education." It is about having the college experience (getting drunk on expensive booze, meaningless hook-ups, and sportsball) and you are indoctrinated to political correctness. There is not freedom of thought and critical thinking is mocked.
Absolutely.
GuysCallMeShawna. "Expensive booze" ? Ah, no, college kids drink the cheapest swill available, however the rest of what you said, is pretty much true.
That's what bars are for. Hell, you could even watch your classes in a bar on a big screen while getting drunk.
Just as you can move to a college town and sit-in/Audit classes, you can also move to a college town and just walk into frathouses with a case of beer. Instant cool guy. You'll be an honorary member in a matter of days.
Clearly one of the repliers needs to work on their reading comprehension...it seems they think you are promoting many of these things.
College = paying $200,000 to learn how to be a Marxist robot and professional protester
To learn lies, like the moon landing that never took place, to name only 1. You can add to this list.
thats so relevant today lmfaooooooo
@T P T Why do you assume everyone who attends college spends $200,000 and becomes a Marxist protester? What percentage of college graduates attended a liberal arts college, let alone took courses relevant to Marxism? I graduated with a b.a. in political science from a public university, opened my eyes to a lot of the class inequality that's been driven by neo-liberal economic policies followed by said benefactors funneling billions into PAC's, SuperPAC's, and lobbyists to control our political system in favor of their interests. Never took a single class on Marxism. But I spent $30k in tuition at this university for 2 years, because I transferred from a community college, and I'm sure not a Marxist Protester. Pathetic how many people liked your comment. You sound brainwashed.
@@TheJester-ct5pi he wasn't referring to everyone. Apparently going to college didn't make you aware of sarcasm. Just like stossel said. The number of people graduating in physics or engineering is like 1/6th of people getting psyche degrees. The other 5/6 are brainwashed into this neo progressive Marxism reminiscent movement that we can see on the streets of Portland and Seattle every night, throwing firebombs through business windows.
@@stryker0ae The OP's comment was hyperbolic, not sarcastic. Before attending college I used to think like you, I watched Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, PragerU, etc. and thought colleges were in essence brainwashing machines that were indoctrinating students with Marxist ideology (at least the liberal arts). The problem with that logic is, it's not brainwashing, it's learning and updating your beliefs. We didn't sit around discussing Marxist theory, but looked at the real world consequences of, for a few examples - neoliberal economic policies, wage stagnation, destruction of private unions, global corporatism, how big money influences congress, etc. People like Shapiro and Carlson pretend to be on the side of the middle class, usually fighting over social issues, while protecting the economic interests of the wealthiest Americans, and they're paid handsomely for doing so. What's going on with the rioting is absurd, we are still a nation of laws, and we need to reach one another through discussion and not vandalism.
An education shows that you are a good wage slave and that you are ready to take orders without questioning.
AMEN
"There are two ways to enslave a man, one is by the sword and the other is by debt." These kids taking on all this debt in student loans that can never be forgiven are exactly that. They are slaves to whatever employer will pay them so they can pay off this debt. Employers who require a degree for just about every position are complicit in this game also. It is all a racket to enslave the working class.
You should have said formal education not self education
If you were the manager of a business you would also want your employees to take orders without questioning, it has nothing to do with being educated or not. I actually would prefer less educated, less opinionated people, creative people that deliver results than start debating about how great their ideas are.
But yeah, education tries to tell you to follow the crowd, kiss ass and praise the theories of your teachers.
Bel Diman, only a stupid employer who doesn't want productivity would prefer obedient nonthinkers on staff. Those who can question can also figure things out. Do you know how tiring it is to always have to be telling people what to so at every step? But this is how we know the workforce is not about productivity. It is a branch of the military and is therefore propped up with taxpayer money. So they dont have to compete. They just have control.
My husband has two college degrees and never got anywhere in the workplace. College does not guarantee any kind of a future.
So..you're single?
What degrees did he get?
Same with a close relative of mine, who got a masters at Harvard. Lots of intelligence but no wisdom.
Plus - You might HATE your profession-job! Most people hate their jobs regardless of a piece of paper given for memorizing!
Degrees are a tool, not a golden ticket.
Much College is not about learning, it's a passing card. A place where you mature in some ways. bringing me to my next point. college has been linked with essentially extended adolescence with adult benefits in America. It's a cultural problem.
Which brings up a bigger issue with western culture: infantilization of children.
You were either a humanities or a physical education major.
We aren't mature until 30 anyway..
I'd like to see some evidence of this "link".
It seemed to me like the people I met at college were significantly less mature than people a year younger in high school and people the same age in the workplace. I think we keep telling ourselves that college matures people when in reality our believing it hard enough ensures that we do not take notice of all the super immature college students
I learned more in the Army than I did getting my Master's in history.
Roman Legion SAME, and then the army paid for my college and now my employer is paying for me to get even more education so they can promote me higher. HR is the gate keeper. But I haven’t learned anything in college that the army didn’t already ram into my noggin much more effectively.
Why would you get a masters in history? You’re clearly a moron
@Brick Stone well put
@Brick Stone I don't pretend to know all there is about history, but I think it is scary how ideologues always try to dictate which history you're allowed to pay attention to (like the 1619 project).
Army is welfare for losers who couldn't get a real job. They get paid from the tax money of people who actually produce things. :-)
Going to college was the worst decision of my life.
My loans are more of a hinderance to my career and life than my degree is a help.
It's sad that I thought I was taking good advice from my parents and teachers by going.
Would it have been a bad decision if you did not have the debt?
@@yosemite735 in many cases its still worth it. You can get a degree in nursing or medical imaging for about 40 k if you dont work. And i started out at 75k and was hired where I work now before I graduated. This discussion really needs to be about WHAT you're going to school for. Not that nobody should go. Because it was the best decision I've ever made. My 22 year old class mates are buying houses. And houses are expensive here...
College is only worth it if you become a Doctor, Nurse or Dentist only.
Rico Suave it’s not strictly medical. Law, engineering, computer sciences, business and entrepreneurship, can all be reasonable investments.
I share the sentiment. The only consolation I think is that we can stop pushing college to the our kids and grandkids. However, as Stossel said in this video, it would be wonderful if the government got out of a lot of things.
why go to college when i can learn more from surfing the internet and reading from local free library?
i completely agree.
seriously. my local library is down the street and inside is a world of knowledge, accessible for free.
Because of how these Colleges monopolizes the education system where it create an artificial inflation which in turn causes more demand in education qualifications, and degrees that before were not needed in certain careers, and jobs.
Fuck all of them.
Christopher the Lesser 666 tht last sentence is cringe bro :
Brick Stone yeah... i never said anything about working men. are you dumb? maybe you should take a bite from the fruits of the working man's labor and visit a library. i am a libertarian, but i do not hate taxes for public libraries - public education, though, or support from the government to college loan lenders, is despicable.
"I'm a tenured professor." *Happily walks on sidewalk*
Chad stride
It's pretty funny actually
Dude looks so dumb walking.
Epic red pilled chad walk
He's got it made.
soceity does need people with medical diploma, engineering diploma, IT diploma. Scientists like physicists, chemists, biologists, mathematicians... contributed greatly to our society too. But do we really need so many people with university or collage education in finance, accounting, management... ? Huge majority of them are just glorified clerks doing same jobs people did 50 years ago without those expensive diplomas.
I agree when I was in university I saw a lot of students majoring in what I thought were joke Majors such as public relations and the like.
Yup
Lol it diploma
Thank you. You read my mind!!!
I beg to differ. Accounting students are taught how to follow accounting standards to become CPAs. There are strict rules and policies that must be adhered to.
Honestly, so many classes (whether it's high school or college) are just useless. Like social justice, gender studies, really?????
If school is actually important it should teach us about filing taxes.
Or how to avoid paying taxes!!
Social Justice class? I don't recall seeing that as a choice when I attended University.
School should teach life skills, home economics, and managing basic finances.
Mmm if they teach you about money you won't go to college....😅
I feel like if schools started teaching about taxes, the government would figure out a way to make them more complicated
"When everyone's super... NO ONE WILL BE." - Syndrome
oh my goodness, this is just perfect
Inflation 101
That's why you have to always strive to separate yourself from your peers. A bachelor's degree isn't anything special. I went to college and had a professor ask the class "How many of you have an industry IT certification?", and nobody raised their hands. Above all, job experience trumps certifications, and certifications trump college degrees.
A college degree should only be obtained when you're reaching dead ends in the field without it, and even then, just do it part time and pay the tuition with your income. Go to a community college if you just need an associate's, and if you need a bachelor's, finish the other 60 credits at an inexpensive university. Unless you have a full-ride to a college like Harvard, college choice doesn't matter, because all degrees are pretty much equal. As an FYI, employers are naturally biased towards degrees from colleges that have names that seem prestigious, so a name like "University of Illinois" is more of an eye catcher than something like "Parkland College."
😂
College is a Four Year Loaf that costs a whole lot of Dough.
Education is this country is broken. 90 percent of job in this country can be done with a 8 grade education. Eliminate high school. Go from grade school to college.
I wouldn't go as far as eliminating high school Infinite Capital, but I do think curriculum needs to be rejiggered. There is absolutely no need for 90% of English class to focus on literature and Shakespeare.
@Paramecium Tollies jobs like what?
Lol you idiots are trying to send yourselves back into the stone ages.
@@bherber If you watch David Barton's talk on education, by the time you turned 13 you were either getting married or going to college.
I remember repeating some the same course work I learned in the 3rd grade, I learned again in the 9th grade and I think that was an honors (AP) class, lol. This was also at two different school districts. The small town was ahead of the bigger town, which surprises me.
The Amish (both boys and girls) get educated to only the 8th grade, then learn a trade. Some become millionaires.
I quit college years ago and became a truck driver best decision I ever made.
Just wait until Trucks are automated.
How much do you make???
Victor probably $70.000 a year
LOL It will end up being the worst decision you ever made unless you are investing ALL your money right now.
Dontmakemegothere why? OH! I think I know! Because you’re in 10s of thousands of dollars in debt and spent all those years in college. Loser.
Hard to argue with this. The cost of knowledge today is almost negligible. No need for fancy libraries when you have the Internet. Don't know how to change a tire? Google it! Want to understand Wagner? TH-cam! So in a world where the cost of knowledge is amazingly low, why has the cost of education gone up? To put it another way, why is 120 semester hours (that gives you a degree) worth so much more in the job market than 119?
RadioFreeUtah, because it shows you are fully sold into corporatism and big government. You’re willing to sacrifice your time, well being, and financial status for “the system”. It shows you’re dedicated. To any shitty system good enough to control you.
RadioFreeUtah college is expensive because of the federal loan program.
I have been arguing for reformation of the school system for long time. Yet no one listens... Everyone just wants to increase budget but no one thinks about how much spending could be cut with reformation. Especially when we live in an age of free information...
Because it's a signaling device. Another thing to consider is how much of college coursework would you have done if there wasn't a degree at the end? How much of it would have been worth your time anyways. Probably not a lot.
You know what else is a signaling device? An IQ test. Lot cheaper and less time consuming thing just to show people you are smart.
viperz22 not my best constructed sentence but it takes 120 semester hours of course work to get a bachelors degree. The degree has real market value. Yet completing 119 semester hours of the same training and being one credit hour short of a degree has significantly less market value.
I'm getting a degree in computer science, one of the "useful degrees" yet the amount of completely useless stuff I'm paying to learn is STILL outrageous
The jobs my teachers warned me I’d get if I didn’t go to college are the jobs I qualify for. It’s the worst advice I’ve ever received.
I suppose that you desire the reader to assume that you went to college?
We should get rid of high school. Let college start at age 16.
bradwatson7324 We have to uproot the entire education system first.
TheChickenRiceBowl and we should today our education system is a joke. When a student can’t even point out America on a map really or even do simple math.
That's the way it was about 80 years ago.
All the information required for life / any occupation exists on the internet (i.e. you can pretty much learn most hobbies / occupations on TH-cam alone). All we really need is for people to index that information (i.e. videos, online textbook pdfs, websites, charts and graphs, etc) into courses and people are already starting to do this. Don't see the need for a formal education system / academia anymore...
I agree
THAT'S HYSTERICAL that the wizard of oz called it back in the 40s.
I graduated from Rice with a master's in English. I'm now an underwater welder.
As someone with a Bachelor's degree I can agree with this. I thought I could get in the media field with a degree and I'm almost three years out from when I graduated with no job in field. I was better off if I had just done an internship for that amount of time (maybe even less of the time) and just hands on learned and gained real experience. Or just learned how to weld. Either way I would have been better off than I am now.
Are you doing better now bro?
@@joestein6603 just working jobs but now I have kids so I'm considering some options.
@GoliathsDownfall I was in same boat as you are but not in your field. I went to college but I worried about getting work experience and now I learned about internships.
It was a huge slap in the face for me because I had no knowledge of internships to get experience. I'm not in debt but I'm better off now.
When people understand the dynamics of going to college they will realize college is just an opportunity to work for the next person and becoming successful slaves. There’s nothing wrong on going to school and getting a education. It’s the idea of people being brainwashed thinking after finishing school essentially will make you rich. The longer you stay as an employee; getting promotional opportunities requires more loads of work based on salary. Yes we all have to start somewhere with a job but, it doesn’t have to be forever. Working on a different quadrant like investing and big business ideas will be more sufficient on becoming wealthy without attending college nor working for someone else telling us this is how much you’re worth, and when to take time off
90% of what you need to know you'll learn in your first 3 years on the job. I love/hate it when job recruiters say this and admit that the only reason a degree is required is to check a box for HR.
Can we’ll all go to college to become tenured professors?
Only if you pass the SJW litmus test. Otherwise, you will be driven out rather then granted tenure. The leftist capture of academia is partly self-selecting. But it has also occurred due to the systemic institutional persecution of dissenting voices. Conservatives didn't simply walk out of the universities, they were driven out with prejudice. The left has been happy to capture the academy using the very practices they pretend to oppose.
The questions is, can you pretend to be a SJW until you're tenured? After that, you can all but commit murder and keep your six figure income. And once they find out your a dirty libertarian, you probably won't even have to teach.
In that case we got t pull funding from universities. If they can’t survive on selling underwater basket weaving degrees then they deserve to fail
@Anton: It was a joke. Recalibrate your sarcasm meter.
And tenured track salary is not even that high
"Government sucks always and everywhere."
If you haven't learned that, you haven't learned anything.
Honestly there are some occupations that NEED a college degree like law and Medicine.
Ancient Chinese medicine didn’t need degrees. Current doctors just want to drug you up on pills. Lawyers??? Too many corrupt lawyers. I guess they had to go to college to be corrupt.
As a Chinese person, let me tell you that traditional Chinese medicine has a poor track record and often poisoned patients with heavy metals.
I'm not Chinese, but I did stay at a Holiday inn!
That's the honest truth: specialists need special courses of study. For everyone else [bank tellers, car salesmen, etc], it's optional and mainly is a confidence thing - either for the employee or the business owner(s) in selling their staff to the public as 'top of the line' with greater ease [regardless of what is true]. I've had this discussion with a couple of lawyers and what their degree got them was a good 4 or 5 years of more hard work before they had the tools at their fingertips to sit down with most any client and chart a competent course without a senior partner mentoring or sitting in to guard the firms reputation. Beyond that... researching case law seems to never end. If you don't like to study large volumes of information, don't become a doctor or a lawyer: you only stop after you retire.
You used to be able to become a lawyer through an apprenticeship at a firm. That’s what former President Calvin Coolidge and many other people did. So not even law really requires college.
I've been screaming this at the top of my lungs since my first semester at Penn State fall 2003, they all laughed at me!
Being in the minority always gets ridiculed
I really thought I signed up for a world history class (I am actually interested in history) but instead I got white privilege and the difference between sex and gender
That sucks my history professor is dope. He old school and just tells it how it is.
Yep, ..those things are part of history. If you're having trouble getting laid,try leveling up.
History is now the most controversial academic subject in schools of all levels of education everywhere. Some teachers and students are simply better at being more levelheaded (if not completely silent) about their opinions regarding the topics of discussion within the content taught, and when it comes to agreeing to disagreeing with their peers, in general. I remember when I took a California History Course and then an American Government course back-to-back in 2007-2008, the professors in each course pretty much spent the whole time talking about how history is so unfair to women and minorities. That is of course a 100% true fact. Except, that was not what either course description entailed. Plus, as a male student, I was tired of hearing my own gender verbally bashed all the time contextually.
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 it's SEX, not gender. if you think *you'RE* tired, try being an oppressed race or sex class on top of your current working class (oppressed) status. if you respond to the information about these topics with "wah i'm being attacked", then you have learned nothing. also, if "levelheadedness" tends toward silence, then FUCK levelheadedness. easy to be "levelheaded" when you benefit from the system. that's why they're quiet. they want to keep reaping the perceived benefits at the expense of others and don't give two shits about their suffering. the courageous are bold and speak truth.
it depends on what you take at college. stem degrees will likely land you a decent job because the demand is there, liberal arts not so much.
my nephew just finished 6 years study to be a pharmacist. if he gets a job they average over 100k/year to start.
Scott Leisman key is "if". Pharmacy is so saturated, you can only find jobs in dinky towns
The first couple of years is going to be paying back the student loans he borrowed if he didn't have a full scholarship.
@@Ladyblogtest Wal-Mart full time hours are 32 hours per week..
And before people start with this "learn a trade!" I'd like to point out there are quite a lot of out of work tradesmen as well.
@Scott Leisman - That is true Scott. For degrees like the one your nephew took, I have no problem with them charging that amount. Sadly you have too many kids who go just because their parents pushed them into it or society "expects" you to go to college, and then once the kids get there who don't know what they want to do yet, they'll take an easy cop out degree where you don't have to do any work like psychology, sociology or English. I think that tuition price and professor pay should be linked to field of study. So chemistry, engineering, biology, etc... are going to me more expensive than arts & humanities. And professor pay for arts & humanities will be lower than for STEM fields.
I teach undergraduate Philosophy at a relatively well-known university, and I can attest that this is true. Easily 2/3 of my students simply don't really belong there. That is not to say, however, that they are unintelligent or untalented. Frankly, I think they would be better served in an apprenticeship program learning a valuable trade skill.
What is a trade skill?
Mr Cocky Mechanic and plumbers
Probably 3/3 don't belong there, especially philosophy.
Amen, I started working in distribution and logistics and worked 30 years learning from hands on real world experience. I've trained managers and CFOs and been the planner and implementer for more projects than I can count. I do not have a degree.
Without a degree, I can't rise to the level of the VP managers I train and no other employer will look at a 53 year old with 33 years experience but no degree.
hamstersniffer Start your own consulting busineas
Every person that I know who went to college and got their degree, are working in entirely different fields to what they originally went to school for.
Go to college they say....get a great job when your finished college they say.......l work at starbuck`s now.
But in college, you might have learned when to use your or you're or you've...
I worked at a Kindergarten in China and earned 30000 a year thanks to my degree. If i return to the USA i would qualify for decent jobs thanks to my ability to speak Mandarin Chinese.
@Oprah Nelson Of course it matters in the real world, and it does impact paying the bills. When a resume' of a prospective employee reaches my office and it reads like that, the person doesn't get a second look...I'm on to the prospect. That's the harsh reality.
It seems social status and money is more important than working and learning. Need to satisfy that ego.
here in brazil you have to have a degree even to work in a restaurant. that's f* ridiculous
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This has even spread outside the West?!
that's exact the same here
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 America Fuck yeah! Yes even here on Europe it is the same but at least Universities aren't that expensive as in US! America forces most countries to follow its politics and agendas!
What kind of degree?!
@@calvinmiller2800 any kind of degree but we all know degrees cost money! Of course if you become a surgeon you will not work as a waiter! Why spend money on a degree when you are going to work a job that didn't require a degree in the past? See our Government is retarded!
I could have been an engineer without the degree, almost nothing taught is applicable, and everything needed can be learned on-the-job. Unfortunately the piece of paper is the key that opens the door to the HR department that proves to them I'm capable of doing the job at the entry level. Now my work experience does that.
Too bad companies all require degrees now even for basic office work.
lol which engineering? programming isnt engineering
TheMrgoodmanners, yeah, software engineering isn't engineering. You're so good at logic. Lmao
Well it depends on what you you're job entails. If your in research with in an engineering discipline a lot of that math and theory will be useful to you. Of course there's famous examples of self taught engineers such as Elon Musk. I also have an uncle who became a mechanical engineer without finishing college (He completed 2 years). He got into the profession through self study and mentorship.
HR department = lawsuit prevention department . Maybe it looks bad in court if they get sued for a failed product that a non educated engineer designed.
I never allowed my schooling to interfere with my education
Mark Twain
Social justice was the most important class I took in college. It helped me understand why most are sheep.
understanding that you couldve got with a nice trip of shrooms...
@@aaronsilva9611 yea, I didn't need shrooms to see the sheep. But the class helped me gain a better understanding of the human need for what the individual perceives as Justice. Versus what is Justice due to the circumstances of the society the individual lives in. That gave me better perspective on them Trips. The sheep yearn Authority.
If you eliminated occupational licensing, the higher education system would collapse.
So true.
Sadly, not really. Because there’s a lot of stupid liberals that go to college just for a liberal arts degrees. But it would definitely slow down
+Charles Graves and I know quite a lot of conservatives that actually could benefit from a liberal arts education. it might help them drop this pretense that they are the master brains of things.
@@theQuestion626 I know quite a bit of liberals who should go through economics 101 and realize supply side and trickle down economics actually works, and that the government causes more problems than it solves.
@@directorbeau and yet somehow "supply Side" economics not only did not resolve the problem of poverty...it exacerbated it.
But regale me more delusions.
As a Computer Science student in my last year of College before i complete my bachelors,
i completely agree, many students in College go there just because it's a norm now.
However, i also think College is waste of time, for example, i have only learned mostly conceptual stuff in College about Computer Science, most of the classes i was required to take were introductory classes in the broad fields of Computer Science.
Before going to College, i had a belief that i would actually get to learn programming, make my own applications, and understand everything about the inner workings of the Computer.
But i was completely wrong, i was only taught basic programming, the ones they teach in high school probably,
and if i wanted to learn advanced programming, and working with API, Operating Systems, or Networking,
i had to learn that on my own.
I was never taught about the Windows API for example in any of my College classes,
nor was i taught about Graphical User Interfaces in any of my classes so far,
most of it, i had to learn on my own.
I feel like i have wasted my time and money going to College, but, i also have no choice, because most companies hiring Programmers or Software Engineers want to hire people with a College Degree.
That's the only part about College that's worth anything, it's the freaking Diploma, that makes you look a little better than those who do not have a diploma when hiring for a job.
Other than that, a College is just a waste of time and money, where you don't learn anything important, especially stuff that is actually relevant in the industry, and industry standards of programming.
You only learn concepts and basics of everything.
So yea, there is something definitely wrong with our College education system. It's entirely money based, and not on the quality of teaching or education.
online learning is the future, learn what YOU want, not what they want.
Gees even in my some of my high school computer science classes we were taught about GUIs.
Have u checked out 42 silicone Valley. They got what you look for
yea when i was in college i had the same thing happen i was wondering if that would occur if you went to the deeper more specialized classes and now i know wow that's absolute waste man you can self teach yourself and get certifications and sidestep them if you want
I have a bachelors in computer and information science and I can feel your pain since you probably want nuts and bolts skills so you can start making money. However, there are probably many ways to learn these things when you start your career and after you've been working for a while, you'll probably appreciate having conceptual and theoretical understanding that you learned in college instead of only knowing the nuts and bolts.
I’ve learned more from watching TH-cam and the internet in general, than I did in college.
High schools the same way,those 4 years of my life were boring and I learned very little. The only thing I see that collage does is give people excuse to be lazy.
The biggest problem with college is all the useless majors for which there are few actual jobs. If you go to college for engineering, medicine, education, or business, you'll likely have a marketable degree. Top tip: courses of study with "Engineering" in the title occupy 9 of the top 10 spots in first-year salaries for grads. Anything with "Studies" in the title will be a waste of your time and money.
We need to find entrepreneurs not colleges
Our education system needs to be restructured
I did learn how to learn in college, but I was very engaged, and I still love a good lecture. Maybe I'm unusual.
5:02 I love that professors smug look when walking into the campus.
Most overpaid profs have that look. I had an a lot of arrogant profs at the college I went to, and they all deserved a good punch to the throat.
In the years since the internet (and especially TH-cam) came out I've learned more online than I ever did in four years of college!
Wanna know another college scam? I went to a college where a few professors self published their own "Books" and required their students to individually purchase them, and failed students who did not purchase their "Books". Now I used quotation marks for a reason, their "Books" were literally booklets that summarized traditional textbooks for their subjects (which were also a required purchase item for their courses) and cost $150 for about 20 pages printed on cheap paper stapled together in half. The traditional text book already cost me $300 (which was hella marked up because I was able to purchase the same edition book online and brand new for $200, which apparently still wasn't correct because he failed me for not buying the required course material which I disputed with the dean and eventually had overturned thanks for it actually being the correct book and the exact effing edition that was required. Still, $150 for a 20 page booklet that just summarizes the contents of the actual text book? I know some professors actually publish great materials for their classes, but the college I went to was clearly just trying to cash grab and sadly there was nothing much we could do if we wanted to complete the required classes for that semester. We tried lobbying the dean in regards to this issue, but it kept being pushed back until it was forgotten. I'm still disgusted with the school over that. I won't name them, because those shitty professors with questionable ethics were in the minority and there were plenty of actual good professors under the employ of the college, but still the college was completely fine with fucking their students over with that phenomenal price gouging even with tuition being ridiculous already.
Saying nothing after gaining that information makes you complicit in the scam
Yeah, say the name of the school that did this.
Smells like BS.
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The Obamunist administration did their best to strangle private for profit schools. Corinthian Colleges being one notorious example.
I have two degrees and NOBODY has ever once asked to see my degrees.. Only get a degree IF you need the degree to do that job.. Go for a job not because you think you’ll get a job!
+SCJMO
They usually read your CV where you include your degree, and generally buy your word alone for it.
So you didn't have to show a resume?
The only time I had to prove my degrees was for grad school :D
SCJMO ok, what are the two degrees you have?
Congrats someone just asked you....
Godzlla ha! Probably the last damn time too.
I was taught it was a scam my whole life. I simply went to prove I could pass. I don't believe what they taught. It was a total waste and pissing in the wind like high school.
If you disagree with American curriculum like I was raised what's the value of having a degree when you can't even teach the truth that the majority denies.
George Washington had a 3rd grade education and many college graduates don't even understand his speeches. What truly is the value of this type of educational system?
I have less brains than the majority of college graduates literally. I lost a little brain in a wreck in childhood, but I excellent in the upper level history program with very little accomodations. I did my own studies, barely got extra time like most brain injured people would. Why? I was taught you'd never learn anything if someone always tried your shoes for you.
If you have connections, you can get a B A in flower appreciation, and get that job over a real qualified scholar. Connections kill the competition.
As a computer engineering major it seems to me that in an ideal world, one without education regulations, subsidies and grants, universities would gravitate towards focusing on a single trade-oriented group of subjects - schools would emerge dedicated to the classical humanities, or to modern social studies, or to business, marketing, communications and accounting, and the engineering colleges of various universities would spin off or consume the university to become the only focus of their schools. This is already seen today with Law and Medical graduate schools, which are very often either an independently administrated spinoff of their parent university, or their own specialized university altogether. I believe it serves the natural purpose of universities, to teach specialized skills and make industry connections, which cannot be obtained as systematically elsewhere, to such a professional extent that the merit of the degree is actually backed up by something.
As a software engineering major I agree
I agree entirely. As a Brit, my local Uni is a mid-tier Uni with nothing of note to offer, but it's internationally renowned and recognised for it's Marine Biology course.
No matter who Stossel interviews, whether he agrees with them or not, he always challenges their position. He always asks the main 1 or 2 questions that the opposition would obviously ask if they were there. That used to be a common practice with news reporters. Sad that it's now rare enough to be noteworthy.
#Freetommy
Tommy, founder of EDL (pervertedly fake news) was in contempt of crown court. Twice. First time got only a suspended sentence for trying to film defendants. Was told that "next time he would go to jail". Didi it again a few days ago and broadcasted it live on face. News about it was witheld until final judgement in the case he was trying to obstruct (to not obstruct more). Classic "judicial murder", riiiiight. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/29/edl-founder-tommy-robinson-jailed-13-months
@@richardfeynman2960 Secret proceedings... gag orders... what good is habeas corpus in the UK these days? Nothing was legally discoverable about Tommy, and that's the way the government wanted it: a politburo style star chamber. But then he and others pushed back. Recall the flap about travel ban lists when May became Home Secretary? The solution was to remove it from public view to make it secret - now nobody knows if anything got fixed or not, and could it be even worse? I'm leaning towards things being worse. And we haven't even arrived at whether Tommy is to be believed or not... Seems to me everything May touches becomes opaque, which is where corruption starts: closing the blinds.
So, time to dig in for some more reading: why does the English Defence League need to exist? Think I'll start with political correctness effectively banning any legitimate criticism of anyone claiming to be muslim inside the UK... equal application of the law is broken.
I got a BS in Electrical Engineering and once I started working I realized that the best skill I learned in college was how to problem solve. I did get exposed to several different but related technologies but ultimately I was trained in the applicable technologies by my employer. Unfortunately, too many people spend thousands of dollars getting degrees in useless areas of study and rack up huge student loan debts...
I tried to go back to school after graduating high school 20 years ago. One, just ONE make up English class cost me over $300 and that was with the HOPE grant. Plus $75 for an online book that the teacher read THREE paragraphs out of the entire length of the course. I was also told I would be required to take algebra and other math classes to be a counselor. ALGEBRA COURSES TO BE A COUNSELOR!
“The value of a college education is not the learning of many facts but the training of the mind to think”
-Albert Einstein
But I'm a physics student, not a philosopher so what do I know?
Einstein also said, “The true source of knowledge is experience.” Combine honed critical thinking skills with experience and that should do it.
@@zackiinu7194 That is reasonably well put. I arrived at a similar conclusion a long time ago before running across most of Einsteins thinking: Knowledge is bought with experience - you have to be something, do something, or have something happen to you. Everything else is understanding and doesn't rate the same, as you can be talked out of that. As the bible says... every generation has to dig its own wells.
yeah.... failing in that too....
I am not letting any of my kids take on college debt...
If too many people get a degree which decreases the value of one - the problem seems to rather be that getting a degree is too easy rather than that it's subsidized.
I went to college to be a teacher, while in college I got a job selling cars out pure desperation. My first month selling cars I made $8,000. Greatest decision I ever made was dropping out with only 16 credits left to get my degree. That was in 2004. I have $0 college loan debt, and I've never made less that $115,000 in a year. My best years ever I made $278,000. It's one of the few jobs in this country that are rewarded and compensated based solely on how hard you work. 100% commission based pay is the only way to go for me. The hardest decision I ever have to make is deciding where I'm going to order my lunch from.
What company is it for?
Good thing I risked my life by not going to college and getting into real estate. Proud of making that decision without caring how many people said I was an idiot.
One thing I really like about this guy is that regardless of what side he's on, he asks difficult questions as if he were on the other side so people can explain things fully
Everyone say it with me: University is not a trade school! It's not, or rather, it shouldn't be, about getting jobs.
@Anton Zuykov ikr
Sounds to me like the issue presented here is that colleges require "useless" information to graduate, rather than the fact that "colleges are bad." So should we all just stop after high school and become servers and plumbers? It's kind of silly to listen to these arguments being made by a tenured professor and an Ivy League graduate.
you could almost say they're trying to upvalue their already acquired degrees ;)
I took a calculus course at a state university that was taught by a tenured professor who never even showed up to teach half the classes. Every day, there would be a note on his door saying class is canceled for the day. It was the biggest ripoff and what's worse is that the teacher was in no danger of being fired. The best teachers I've ever had were those that held private sector jobs and taught part-time.
I graduated from an arts school in 1998. Everyone criticizes art and media degrees as being worthless. In those 4 years I learned mac computers, PC computers, Adobe creative tools, I wrote HTML code for the first time, I learned the microsoft office suite, I learned to write a hell of a lot better because public school really dropped the ball when I was a kid. While I was in college earning my bachelors. I never filled out a single scantron sheet. After graduating and getting into the work place. I've never found myself surrounded around more inept people in my life. 22 years later. Things haven't changed. The only thing that's changed is that I'm out of work. And those that have jobs seem to be some of the most inept people I've ever encountered and they shouldn't be paid anything at all. They are holding back their company with computer literacy issues. They have to call an expensive consultant for every little thing. If you're going to a college where the curriculum is dominated by lecture and scantron sheet tests. Then I'd say "Yeah! You are wasting your time and money." If you're in a place where you are learning industry standard computer tools, real skills and techniques. Then you're not. However the workplace may disappoint you when it comes to being rewarded for your abilities and self-sufficiency. This is still something that mystifies me. I have never been rewarded for my productive ability. Even in comparison to my co-workers. I would say more often than not I'm viewed as a threat. Someone who could take over or someone who could divert the attention of the company leadership. That you can expect.
@@iamnotgonnagiveyoumyname1373 Yeah right.
@@iamnotgonnagiveyoumyname1373 You must work for youtube.
Do what makes you happy. We all end up in the same place, pine box .
dont you want a luxury pine box your body will feel like a million bucks
guythatcomments you wouldn't feel anything. You would be dead :/
@@JustAnotherNamelessGuy That's the point of sarcasm.
@@CryptoConscious481 well we don't need any more sarcasm. There is plenty to go around friend.
Professors may teach 5 hours per week, but in the university where I go, professors teach 5 or so hours a week, but do plenty of other work for a full time job. In fact they work up to 80 hours a week mostly on research.
I love to learn. The problem is that I forget 99% of everything I learned.
The way he walks when talking about not getting fired from tenor professor job is inspirational
I hold 2 engineering degrees with a GPA above a 3.0 on both of them. I tried to get internships prior to graduation but I couldn’t get them. I attended many different career fairs to get my resume out there. I think I interview well enough to land good jobs. But I struggled to find a job in my field of study after graduation. Now I’m stuck with a ton of student loan debt that I have to pay back. I feel like I got scammed. And there are millions of people out there like me.
Companies need to hire people with engineering degrees, don’t they??
Adding insult to injury, I look at both my dad and my brother in law making a lot more money than me. Both of them never set foot inside a college classroom and both of them are earning great salaries.
Honestly... If I could do my life over again, I would have gone to a trade school and become an electrician!
The second government started pushing for higher education so much I realized that there was something wrong...
I have three degrees and I am a contractor..did nothing for me and all the people I know
The corporate world isn't really interested in what you learned in College. They are more interested in the fact that you're a person who is simply not a dropout. Your real education starts once you're hired. The corporations obviously want as big a pool of graduates as possible, so that they can pick and choose who they want to mold into their corporate culture....
I agree, but he contradicts himself when he says a degree isn't worth it YET almost every job requires one.
That second part is simply not true.
@Brick Stone Smarter in what way? Crystallized intelligence? No one needs to attend a brick & mortar institution to know a lot of facts. A degree that has nothing to do with the job being applied for means absolutely nothing to me if I was the employer.
@Brick Stone Can I have $20?
Very true. I had advice from my art teacher in high school. Yeah, art. Easiest class that i had, spent time thete even after school. I was the best, and she said to me that school was a waste of time and to only get you to be ready to wake up and work. Teachers can teach you more about life, but they do not get paid much and just follow what they are told to do and teach us alot that is unnecessary ideas that we do not need in life. I didn't go to college and always wanted to. I make about 80k now with a salary job and a side job online for 5 hrs a week. Sad to see and reading articles about teachers making 35k to teach our kids, our future, when they are not happy and do not teach anything more in life. I knew what my art teacher was talking about years ago. Glad she woke me up early in life to be ok. Not rich, but I'm happy. I started from the bottom and now I'm the boss.
The average student loan takes 21 years to pay off. Subtract that from your work salary and how much are you really making?
It’s it’s not medical or stem. College degrees don’t mean anything!
when i was starting out on my journey to get my nursing degree I first had to take some prerequisites, some of which i understood why; however some of the prerequisite classes were ridiculous. (History of Art for one; I could not possible care less about Da Vinci) Many of the prerequired classes are money grabbing scams
imo.
And now you know the difference between a trade school and a college education. You went to the wrong place. You were looking for skills and ended up with education instead. You should have read the fine print.
Where colleges go wrong in their academic offerings is the fact that they require students to still get a general education while taking on their majors. Hello! People don't go to college to get more of a general education. Unless they go in Undeclared and have to take a variety of courses from all different academic departments so that they can make up their minds by the end of their Freshman Year as to which major they want to pursue going forward. General Education college courses wear students down and for the most part are completely unnecessary if a student's major is very specific and thereby should only require that that student complete courses pertinent to their major and nothing else! College was never designed to be another level of general education. It was/is meant for people who know or have an idea of what they want to do with their lives as adults, and therefore wish to pursue their dreams and passions from there on out. In that way, college is NOT supposed to be like high school. But then college inadvertently DOES become like high school when students realize that the only way to get their diplomas is to check a bunch of items/courses off a list. By the end of it all, college graduates are thoroughly mentally exhausted and even disinterested in what they are learning--which again defeats the purpose of going to college in the first place. Plus, does college prepare students to create resumes, cover letters for job applications, practice job interviews, deal with the public, answer to supervisors, (save up to) pay for everyday life expenses, cook their own meals at home, handle near-future legal-familial obligations when it comes to life events like marriage and child rearing? N-O! The whole "you'll have to find that out for yourself" methodology is a real slap in the face. Why not give students a proper head start on real life once they turn 18 and become legal adults?! If college is intended to shelter young adults from real life, then it's an automatic setup for long-term failure.
You are both exactly right! Thankfully my 16 year old daughter sees thru it all and is looking at trade schools. She knows what's what!
@@melissas2950 Good for her! Even though I am a teacher, anytime a student has second thoughts about going to college, I don't force it on them. If they are happy with who they are, and know what they want to do with their lives whether or not it requires a college education, they always have my support 100% and I encourage them to follow their dreams no matter what path they may take! Good luck to your daughter! :)
Give me a break....Stossel went to the private ivy league university --Princeton University--, his brother even better, he went to --Harvard Medical School--.....come on John, give us a break!