The sheer contempt that Omoc showed the Hammond and SG1 for saving their damned lives was a major red flag in their behavior and society. They act like they're superior to the Tau'ri when it appears that they have culturally stagnated despite their advanced tech.
@@NickPCage They seemed quite aware of the Goa'uld threat. They just didn't care... it didn't affect them directly. Also, another red flag was them bringing the Klorel/Skaara matter to a TRIAL. They put a hostile parasite who burrowed into the neck of an imprisoned kid on the same legal footing as the kid who'd been imprisoned in his own body. That's... something else.
In great Britain, the citizens of Scotland, England, Wales and the British Realms, are subjects of the British Crown, with all members of the commin wealth, under the protection of the crown, though citizens of independent nations.
I'd also add that 'democracy' isn't synonymous with general suffrage democracy. It is entirely possible to have a democracy while only allowing a select few to have any say in political matters. That version of democracy is closer to the original Athenian form, actually.
My guess as to why they don't actually look like native Americans. Is because of a little known part of stargate lore not many people notice. Most of them were taken as slaves by the Goa'uld. However, the Goa'uld actually trade and swap slaves amongst themselves all the time. They even swap out entire populations of slaves as a trade agreement. A system Lord takes a few 100 slaves from Earth. Then wages war on another system lord and absorbs a few 1,000 slaves from one of that system lord's planets. Now you have a culture created from one part of earth populated with people from a completely different part of Earth. Or the system lord decides to add genetic diversity to his population of slaves by purchasing a few thousand slave children from a different system lord. Because of Goa'uld doing this all the time, you could actually have a system lord inhabiting the body of a person from the deepest darkest sub saharan african tribe being served by people living in that culture who look like nordic vikings. Just as you could have a Goa'uld inhabiting the body of a green-eyed red head with extremely pale skin being served by people living in Celtic culture who look like they walked right out of a South African tribe. You have to remember the Goa'uld are speciest, not racist, as far as they're concerned. Anyone who isn't a parasitic snake is a slave doesn't matter what color their skin is.😂
The Tollan, when their ion weapons turn ineffective, they develop a bomb that phases through things. They do not use that to kill the goauld ships with phasing missiles. Instead they die. deservedly.
Yeah I kind of have to agree. I think it was Tolkien who said that pacifism in the face of tyranny was no better that tyranny itself. The Tollan could have used their technology to save thousands if not millions from suffering at the hands of the Gould, but they didn’t. Someone could make the excuse that they were still recovering from the loss of their home world or something else. But they never were going to do something about it.
@@sg-24 Aye, also, the tollans argument why they do not share tech is flawed, as far as humanity is concerned. Earth had thet technology to end the world ever since the first nuke was dropped on japan. Alas, the world is still there and humanity has ever since looked to peaceful usage of the tech. Why not help along the fusion project? The tollans would not even really need to hand out new tech. just help develop ours. safely. the asgard did it right.
Nope the pollen high council did it not the people on the that's like saying because earth government stole the entire population needed to be killed off.
The problem with the Tollans is that they weren’t _that_ isolationist or _that_ pacifistic like the Nox were. When it came to aggressors, the Nox would use their technology and abilities to hide themselves, trying to draw as little attention to their existence as possible. The Tollans, on the other hand, were more than happy to regularly blow Gould ships out of the atmosphere with their Ion Cannons, and interfere with internal Gould affairs with Skaara/Klorel’s triad. These are basically half-measures when it comes to handling the Gould threat, basically only worrying about it when it was on their doorstep despite the fact that, as you said, billions were suffering under the Goulds galactic control. Their actions were antagonistic, and they made themselves a nuisance. Couple that with their over confidence in their (likely aging, pacifists aren’t exactly known for their investment in weapons development) Ion Cannon technology and their general arrogance, and their downfall was all but assured. This is not to mention the Tollans alliance with the Tokra, whom they were happy to share, at the very least that we know about, communications technology so that the Tokra could securely exchange information. Yet another half-measure, supporting the Tokra to help defeat the Gould, but not going into open warfare. They could have adopted a purer isolationist stance, developing a planetary shield to simply block all attackers instead of destroying them. Even if an armada of Gould ships rained fire down upon them, a planetary shield with their ability to generate power wouldn’t be likely to fail any time soon, and they could continually improve upon the shield technology while maintaining a guilt-free non-interference policy. That would have allowed them to maintain their lifestyle while emulating the Nox. Though this likely would have interfered with their alliance with the Tokra, if they were really so dead set on not fighting the Gould, they shouldn’t have supported them anyway. Otherwise, they should have absolutely declared open war on the Gould and wiped them out. The Asgard at least _wanted_ to wipe out the Gould and _tried_ to help Earth without giving us tech we weren’t truly ready for, but were too occupied with the Replicators to do any more than they were.
So I want to start off by saying I agree with most of argument, and I want to say I love how well thought out it is. However, I do have to disagree on one point. The Tollan were pretty isolationist and pacifistic. They didn't enjoy shooting down Goa'uld ships. When Narim told SG-1 about it he got chocked up about it, despite the fact they were defending their world. And they neve really interfered with Goa'uld affairs. With the triad that only happened because the Goa'uld came to them. I agree the Tollan didn't live up to the standard of pacifism the Nox did, but you can still have weapons and be pacifistic to a degree. As the Tollan were never looking for a fight. But overall I agree the Tollan constantly took half measures to dealing with the Goa'uld.
@@sg-24 _Narim_ may have gotten upset about shooting down the ships, and while he may be representative of the average Tollan citizen, that’s not necessarily representative of the government officials. Though realistically, we don’t know enough about the Tollans to have any sense of how the populace felt generally felt about the Gould. Whether they largely wanted to avoid them and were upset at the loss of life, or if there was a group vocally in support of going to war with the Gould for their barbarity. True, Skaara/Klorel came to the Tollan, but the still interfered with what was ultimately an internal Gould affair by holding the Triad. If they truly wanted to remain neutral/isolationist, they would have said “Sorry, we can’t help you.” Treated his injuries, and sent him to a world of his choice via Stargate. The told the Gould “Yes he was here, we treated his injuries as a courtesy and sent him on his way.” Which is basically what the Nox would have done. Again, a planetary shield instead of cannons would have been a much better option for a pacifist/isolationist society. I still think the fact that they stuck with weapons over defenses (that they were fully capable of developing) shows they weren’t as pacifistic as they claimed.
You know what the worst part about the tollan is? The golould beat thenion cannons once duirng sakars trial via trickery and they only survived because of of Nox and earth intervention so even before anubis they knew it had holes. And what did they do? Nothing the reestablished the same defense network that had already failed and that was proven to be flawed with no backup plan had they been half as smart as they claimed they would have done a complete overhaul of the planetary defenses.
Possibly their ships were armed but maybe just with smaller less powerful version of the Ion Canons? Would make sense why the Ion Canons were noted as their "only" means of defense still... Dunno though, Tollan really seem behind everyone when it comes to ships.
@@55Quirll to be fair, as arrogant and overconfident as they were, no one couldve predicted a threat as large as anubis coming from the shadows. with as much knowledge as he had with ancient technology, i dont think there was anything they couldve done regardless
@@_maestro7168 True, but they were very sneaky, such as the time when there was the trial between Sclara and Kloral as to who would have ownership. The Gou'ald almost were destroyed when they took out all but one of their Ion Cannons. If not for Col. O'Neill and SG1 they would have lost. They still didn't learn. I still wonder if thee might be another colony of Tolans somewhere hidden.
About the Tollan government: It's possible that Tollan society works similiar to some worlds in Star Wars, like Naboo or that planet from season 3 of Mandalorian. So their leader could be an elected monarch, which explains why she talks about her "subjects".
My guess is that the Ancients designated Earth Humanity as candidate for the Fifth Race of the Great Alliance, but that the Goa'uld enslavement of the bulk of humanity meant that the two surviving Alliance members weren't able to elevate the species wholesale as originally intended. Instead the Nox opened diplomatic relations with the relatively advanced Tollan nation due to cultural similarities, while the Asgard negotiated the Protected Planets Treaty with the System Lords to create multiple safe zones for humanity to develop. The Tauri eventually won the title (along with the Asgard Core) because they proved capable of defending themselves and made ethical policy decisions.
There are many races more advance than the humans of Earth but the Asgard consider humans of Earth as the Fifth race Why Tolan were arrogant. Cowards in the face of superior tech Refused to help the galaxy against the Goauld Heck the Asgard the most powerful race in three galaxies on par with the Ori and Thor would often go to Oneil for help. The Tolan bowed down to Tanith a nobody instead of asking Earth for help
"Tollan" is the name of a half mythical half historical civilization that maybe flourished between the collapse of Teotihuacan and the rise of the aztecs, they are credited with creating the first Triple Alliance around 800AD, they are also called Tulans, though that particular city has now been confirmed to not be the Tula that the Aztecs often referenced.
They ultimately made the same mistakes the Ancients did by relying too much on technological superiority. The second the Goa'uld surpassed their defenses, they fell apart like a house of cards. Regarding their refusal to share tech with us, and the history of why that is, I can fully understand. We are ALWAYS at war with ourselves over unbelievably petty matters.
i always thought the Tollin had a sort of, Inspired, Elective Monarchy. The Curia is elected for life, and is not so much the master of the Tollin, but the one with the responsibility of upholding Tollin law.
OMOC FOR ALL HIS SHORTCOMINGS AND RESERVATIONS WAS PHENOMENAL. HE UNDERSTOOD THE NATURE OF SOCIETIES HAD NOT REACHED A PINNACLE IN THEIR MINDS AND AS SOCIETY AS A WHOLE. I'M BUMMED THAT THEY KILLED HIM CUZ HE WAS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER OF THE TOLLANS
You give the Tolans too much credit about the gate. They got help from the Nox for that. The fact the Tolans couldn’t do build their own gate before means they are not as good. As for why the 4 races dont have their own gates Well the Nox are nature lovers I am not sure but the Asgard may have their own variant Ultimately it might be a question of economics the Ancient designed gates dont need repair or maintenance and has a useful life in the millions of years why replace it
@@sg-24 the people of the Ori went from a medieval society to building Starships that could stand up to the Asgard in one year it doesnt mean it was a joint project. I may be a little adamant about my dislike of the Tolans more so when I have read people think they are more advance than the Asgard
8:29, seeing this, I wonder if the Ori beam weapons were Ion based and how well the Ion cannons would do with Ori ships. Not a one shot ovviously, but if they could get multiple cannons to bombard them it might do something
The ion cannons never came across as THAT powerful. They couldn't penetrate Anubis' upgraded shields, which were probably on a par with older Asgard tech (given that even Anubis' shields failed to bombardment from multiple Ha'taks). On the occasion we do see them destroy a Ha'tak, it took I think three shots. Basically, the Tollan were not interested in military development. And given that we see zero shielding on the ion cannons themselves, Earth's Daedalus class battlecruisers would probably have been more than a match for a few ion cannons, even without Asgard beam weapons.
maybe because their cities can float above the ground of their planet indefinably. Atlantis could fly and become a space ship. but to hold the city in the sky would take insane amounts of power and constant power for that. assuming it's not an illusion of course. i mean it could very well be an illusion the nox use to convince ppl of how advanced they are.
@@RK-252 it's hard to say, i know it takes significant power to jump into hyperspace, i'm not so sure about the power requirements to maintain that hyperspace window though, especially in space as your mass does not matter in space. i mean realistically if you were to fire a gun in space and the speeding bullet traveling, likely wouldn't slow down because there is no resistance outside of other objects to run into, effectively keeping that bullet at that same speed indefinably, so long as it never ran into anything. the hyper space in this show, it's explained as an alternate dimension as the ship is rendered out of phase while traveling within it, so no object would be able to stop it and nore would it crash into anything, but then again the show also allows the concepts such as blowing something up in hyperspace can also destroy another vehicle in the same hyperspace window, so i suppose that could disrupt it. but hyperspace is a weird concept in this show because the moment when they drop out of hyperspace, it seems that the ship has the ability to almost stop on a dime outside the momentum speeds that they were just traveling through, a lot of space shows are like this though lol. i mean i suppose they might have some reverse thrusters or perhaps another window is created opposite direction for a split second to get the ship to slow down enough that it appears as if it stops on a dime with little to no drift speeds as they get out of that window.
okay i do not believe referring to citizens as subjects necessarily suggests a monarchic government. looking at the merriam webster definition under b 2 it confirms my udnerstanding of the word, though admittedly less common than used when referring to feudal structures. : one that is placed under authority or control: such as a : vassal b(1) : one subject to a monarch and governed by the monarch's law (2) : one who lives in the territory of, enjoys the protection of, and owes allegiance to a sovereign power or state
I like that idea. I mean not the idea of elected monarchies because, you know….. America, but that is an interesting idea. Though that would make the Tollan kind of an awkward ally to have.
I gotta say, there is a massive flaw in the Tollan story from the series, and it really soured the first episode they appeared in for me. The reason the Tollan contacted the Nox to go to their world was because earth was too far away from their world for a transport ship to reach them within their lifetime. The problem with this logic should be obvious, they had the stargate which could take them to any number of worlds closer to their new homeworld which would have shortened the trio for the transport substantially, which should have made it relatively easy for them to get back home. Sure, that one planet might have been a volcanic wasteland so they couldn't use it, but other planets in the area could have still worked, and they had the cartouche to shift through for other worlds to try. They didn't even check.
shame they killed off the Tollan, i would have really enjoyed the Tollan being introduced to the now more advanced humans technology. It is unquestionable that the Humans have access to far greater tech than the Tollan had, the archive of the entire Asgard history and technology, not to mention the Ancients on top of that. And in a bit of irony, i would have like to have seen that tollan that refused to help the humans, would now be on the other foot. needing the humans technology or something
@MinkisWinkle that would be funny. The Tollan returning and asking for help and Earth saying, “why you never helped us?”. But I think even if that did happen Earth would help, just because that’s who they are.
@@sg-24 one can always hope. Perhaps if stargate makes a return, perhaps it can be spun in such away that, the Tollan "went into hiding" as they were no longer capable of thinking strategically, nor have the ability to fight anymore due to their past arrogance. It would indeed be interesting of persay, the Tollan went into such deep hiding they were unaware that the systrom lords are now gone, they never knew of the replicators or the ori. The humans explaining the evils that the humans had overcame, and the Tollan being ashamed that they went hiding. Given the humans defeated those that the Tollan could not. I have to admit, I miss stargate
True, but I just watched and episode of TOS and they appeared to have gotten Native Americans for an Native America society. And there was an episode of Stargate where they got at least what appeared to be Asia people playing Mongolians.
@@sg-24 USA / Canada shows need more multiculturalism. India and China are not represented fairly in the Science Fiction Future... With nearly 3 Billion humans, I'm guessing most space traveling humans will be decendents from the majority, not the minority of tiny nations like USA or Canada.
@@jameswatsonatheistgamer Star Trek Franchise could make an effort too, I think they only had one or two India actors in the whole franchise... ? Growing to 2 Billion humans now and their are almost no Indians in Space ? This does not seem likely, as India is a major hub of software and technology development today...
Okay so I’m not entirely sure what you said. I think you said, “ Do you like Kingdom, it is a democratic government, but we still have a Royal family.”. I’m not sure what Kingdom you are referring to, I assume the UK. And if so no, I don’t have a problem with that. Or any country that has a democracy but still has a royal family. Or just a royal families in general.
@@sg-24 Nothing goes pointed out louds on the top of everything we have the Queen, The one write in law United Kingdom, but she really just a figurehead and has no power power. I was playing out that the people who say the actual subjects of the Queen, I would put down to publi 80% with to say they were subjects of the Queen of England but she has no power, she need to ask other people in departments in the government to do something but you're suggesting its be it same as the UK. What comes of the smoke and mirrors Parliament can be closed down by the members of Parliament but can't be we opened without the Queen speech so who has the power, On paper HL Queen but nowadays the queen's speech is written by the Prime Minister the Queen then can alter weight but the things that Parliament at going to do in Parliament is what the Prime Minister writes. Smoke and mirrors, don't want comes to uk to see the Prime Minister, they all come to see the Queen. I probably really badly so sorry
@@timomarkson it’s no problem. Though I am a little confused on what your saying. Are you saying the Queen does or doesn’t have power? I think your saying she does have some power?
@@sg-24 The has no power, UK Government will not work if she do not do her duties, her job of signing bill in to law If the do not her duties Parliament your government with no work,
@@timomarkson are you using text to speech? because you are making no sense most of the time requiring ppl to read your comments several times just to try to understand what you are trying to communicate. is English not your first language?
Yeah my early videos are kind of full of mispronunciations. I’ve never been the best speaker. And when I started I would think I new the name of something, but then later realized I mispronounced it. Heck in the video Im working on now, one of the reasons for the delay is I recorded all the audio, only the realized I kept saying a species name wrong. At some point I may got back and redo the older videos so they have a better mic and pronunciation.
@Ma'Zareen yeah sadly I often have trouble pronouncing names. Especially with some of my early videos were sometimes I thought I had the pronunciation down but didn't.
Is it sad I had to look up what that is. Also I know, I’m not much of a talker so I when I try to record I struggle with it. You should hear my voice before I edit it. Lots of stutters, pauses, and mispronunciations.
SG-1 The Star-gate may have some bases in truth and fact about humanity here on earth history of earth and people here and beyond earth as well as star gate travel and abilities of intelligent humanoids in our unknown universe and space around us ! The stories of the star gates come from the middle east the latest or earliest known civilizations of know humanities ! Stolen basically by whites and set to flim ! But they may not have found the star gate of earth and are trying to build one with little luck 😁😂🤣
@@sg-24 I've... put more thought into it than I care to admit. They could've mined their system with intangible mines that are designed to seek out and destroy unknown ships.
I'm not surprised that Elon Musk turned out to be a Goa'uld
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So that who the Goa'uld reminds me of. It was bugging me for a long time.
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The sheer contempt that Omoc showed the Hammond and SG1 for saving their damned lives was a major red flag in their behavior and society. They act like they're superior to the Tau'ri when it appears that they have culturally stagnated despite their advanced tech.
Pretty much yeah. One of these days I should do a roast on the Tollan.
had they just realized the threat the gu'old were they could of wiped them out first in the galaxy but they I guess the writers didn't want that.
@@NickPCage They seemed quite aware of the Goa'uld threat. They just didn't care... it didn't affect them directly.
Also, another red flag was them bringing the Klorel/Skaara matter to a TRIAL. They put a hostile parasite who burrowed into the neck of an imprisoned kid on the same legal footing as the kid who'd been imprisoned in his own body. That's... something else.
@@sg-24please do it
The Tollan. AKA the poster children for the hubris of pride.
I love Stargate just watched the series on Netflix time for some elantis Stargate
In great Britain, the citizens of Scotland, England, Wales and the British Realms, are subjects of the British Crown, with all members of the commin wealth, under the protection of the crown, though citizens of independent nations.
I'd also add that 'democracy' isn't synonymous with general suffrage democracy. It is entirely possible to have a democracy while only allowing a select few to have any say in political matters. That version of democracy is closer to the original Athenian form, actually.
@DarkVeghetta true, though that doesn’t make the Tollan look any better.
@@sg-24 It's not supposed to. :P
That legit sounds like part of introduction for some new goauld.
My guess as to why they don't actually look like native Americans. Is because of a little known part of stargate lore not many people notice.
Most of them were taken as slaves by the Goa'uld. However, the Goa'uld actually trade and swap slaves amongst themselves all the time. They even swap out entire populations of slaves as a trade agreement.
A system Lord takes a few 100 slaves from Earth. Then wages war on another system lord and absorbs a few 1,000 slaves from one of that system lord's planets. Now you have a culture created from one part of earth populated with people from a completely different part of Earth.
Or the system lord decides to add genetic diversity to his population of slaves by purchasing a few thousand slave children from a different system lord.
Because of Goa'uld doing this all the time, you could actually have a system lord inhabiting the body of a person from the deepest darkest sub saharan african tribe being served by people living in that culture who look like nordic vikings. Just as you could have a Goa'uld inhabiting the body of a green-eyed red head with extremely pale skin being served by people living in Celtic culture who look like they walked right out of a South African tribe.
You have to remember the Goa'uld are speciest, not racist, as far as they're concerned. Anyone who isn't a parasitic snake is a slave doesn't matter what color their skin is.😂
The Tollan,
when their ion weapons turn ineffective, they develop a bomb that phases through things.
They do not use that to kill the goauld ships with phasing missiles.
Instead they die. deservedly.
Yeah I kind of have to agree. I think it was Tolkien who said that pacifism in the face of tyranny was no better that tyranny itself. The Tollan could have used their technology to save thousands if not millions from suffering at the hands of the Gould, but they didn’t. Someone could make the excuse that they were still recovering from the loss of their home world or something else. But they never were going to do something about it.
@@sg-24 Aye, also, the tollans argument why they do not share tech is flawed, as far as humanity is concerned.
Earth had thet technology to end the world ever since the first nuke was dropped on japan.
Alas, the world is still there and humanity has ever since looked to peaceful usage of the tech.
Why not help along the fusion project? The tollans would not even really need to hand out new tech. just help develop ours. safely.
the asgard did it right.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 I agree, while I get why they had the rule really ever interaction with a new race has to be done on a case by case bases.
Nope the pollen high council did it not the people on the that's like saying because earth government stole the entire population needed to be killed off.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 The Asgard are pros at help primitive species but the Tollans are complete idiots at it.
To be honest, I consider the Tollan as a pretty smug and arrogant people, which was a key factor that led to their downfall.
Yup and on top of that they were also traitors to SGC
The problem with the Tollans is that they weren’t _that_ isolationist or _that_ pacifistic like the Nox were. When it came to aggressors, the Nox would use their technology and abilities to hide themselves, trying to draw as little attention to their existence as possible.
The Tollans, on the other hand, were more than happy to regularly blow Gould ships out of the atmosphere with their Ion Cannons, and interfere with internal Gould affairs with Skaara/Klorel’s triad. These are basically half-measures when it comes to handling the Gould threat, basically only worrying about it when it was on their doorstep despite the fact that, as you said, billions were suffering under the Goulds galactic control. Their actions were antagonistic, and they made themselves a nuisance. Couple that with their over confidence in their (likely aging, pacifists aren’t exactly known for their investment in weapons development) Ion Cannon technology and their general arrogance, and their downfall was all but assured.
This is not to mention the Tollans alliance with the Tokra, whom they were happy to share, at the very least that we know about, communications technology so that the Tokra could securely exchange information. Yet another half-measure, supporting the Tokra to help defeat the Gould, but not going into open warfare.
They could have adopted a purer isolationist stance, developing a planetary shield to simply block all attackers instead of destroying them. Even if an armada of Gould ships rained fire down upon them, a planetary shield with their ability to generate power wouldn’t be likely to fail any time soon, and they could continually improve upon the shield technology while maintaining a guilt-free non-interference policy. That would have allowed them to maintain their lifestyle while emulating the Nox.
Though this likely would have interfered with their alliance with the Tokra, if they were really so dead set on not fighting the Gould, they shouldn’t have supported them anyway. Otherwise, they should have absolutely declared open war on the Gould and wiped them out.
The Asgard at least _wanted_ to wipe out the Gould and _tried_ to help Earth without giving us tech we weren’t truly ready for, but were too occupied with the Replicators to do any more than they were.
So I want to start off by saying I agree with most of argument, and I want to say I love how well thought out it is. However, I do have to disagree on one point. The Tollan were pretty isolationist and pacifistic. They didn't enjoy shooting down Goa'uld ships. When Narim told SG-1 about it he got chocked up about it, despite the fact they were defending their world. And they neve really interfered with Goa'uld affairs. With the triad that only happened because the Goa'uld came to them.
I agree the Tollan didn't live up to the standard of pacifism the Nox did, but you can still have weapons and be pacifistic to a degree. As the Tollan were never looking for a fight.
But overall I agree the Tollan constantly took half measures to dealing with the Goa'uld.
@@sg-24 _Narim_ may have gotten upset about shooting down the ships, and while he may be representative of the average Tollan citizen, that’s not necessarily representative of the government officials. Though realistically, we don’t know enough about the Tollans to have any sense of how the populace felt generally felt about the Gould. Whether they largely wanted to avoid them and were upset at the loss of life, or if there was a group vocally in support of going to war with the Gould for their barbarity.
True, Skaara/Klorel came to the Tollan, but the still interfered with what was ultimately an internal Gould affair by holding the Triad. If they truly wanted to remain neutral/isolationist, they would have said “Sorry, we can’t help you.” Treated his injuries, and sent him to a world of his choice via Stargate. The told the Gould “Yes he was here, we treated his injuries as a courtesy and sent him on his way.” Which is basically what the Nox would have done.
Again, a planetary shield instead of cannons would have been a much better option for a pacifist/isolationist society. I still think the fact that they stuck with weapons over defenses (that they were fully capable of developing) shows they weren’t as pacifistic as they claimed.
You know what the worst part about the tollan is? The golould beat thenion cannons once duirng sakars trial via trickery and they only survived because of of Nox and earth intervention so even before anubis they knew it had holes. And what did they do? Nothing the reestablished the same defense network that had already failed and that was proven to be flawed with no backup plan had they been half as smart as they claimed they would have done a complete overhaul of the planetary defenses.
"Cannot reverse engineer Ion Cannons." Looks at Asgard beams, shields, transportation technology etc.
Well the Asgard actually explained to us how to use and make their tech.
@@sg-24 well thats true!
asgard thanks to tauri because save they race from replicator.
even joining force to battle of supergate.
Possibly their ships were armed but maybe just with smaller less powerful version of the Ion Canons? Would make sense why the Ion Canons were noted as their "only" means of defense still... Dunno though, Tollan really seem behind everyone when it comes to ships.
It makes sense. They are isolationist so don't need powerful ships or fast ones
big like for mentioning they build their own star gate, it is a huge deal.. It shows how much higher their technology level was
Oh yeah! They could have been the next Ancients.
Except they couldn't have a back up weapon to use phasing technology to send a weapon through shields they couldn't penetrate. Talk about arrogance.
@@55Quirll to be fair, as arrogant and overconfident as they were, no one couldve predicted a threat as large as anubis coming from the shadows. with as much knowledge as he had with ancient technology, i dont think there was anything they couldve done regardless
@@_maestro7168 True, but they were very sneaky, such as the time when there was the trial between Sclara and Kloral as to who would have ownership. The Gou'ald almost were destroyed when they took out all but one of their Ion Cannons. If not for Col. O'Neill and SG1 they would have lost. They still didn't learn. I still wonder if thee might be another colony of Tolans somewhere hidden.
There is a colony of Tollan who did survive, they mentioned in some RPG book.
Their arrogance was their downfall, they figured their tech was unbeatable
About the Tollan government: It's possible that Tollan society works similiar to some worlds in Star Wars, like Naboo or that planet from season 3 of Mandalorian. So their leader could be an elected monarch, which explains why she talks about her "subjects".
Don’t forget that the Tollans were led by a serial killer that “has never killed anyone”.
My guess is that the Ancients designated Earth Humanity as candidate for the Fifth Race of the Great Alliance, but that the Goa'uld enslavement of the bulk of humanity meant that the two surviving Alliance members weren't able to elevate the species wholesale as originally intended. Instead the Nox opened diplomatic relations with the relatively advanced Tollan nation due to cultural similarities, while the Asgard negotiated the Protected Planets Treaty with the System Lords to create multiple safe zones for humanity to develop. The Tauri eventually won the title (along with the Asgard Core) because they proved capable of defending themselves and made ethical policy decisions.
I understand that whole university thing good luck with everything and you do a great job with your videos
I love this Chanel. I am your newest subscriber. Please keep these videos up. I love Stargate and specially SG-1.
Well thank you, I really appreciate the comment. Right now thing had to slow down due to collage. But working on some new video ideas now.
There are many races more advance than the humans of Earth but the Asgard consider humans of Earth as the Fifth race
Why
Tolan were arrogant.
Cowards in the face of superior tech
Refused to help the galaxy against the Goauld
Heck the Asgard the most powerful race in three galaxies on par with the Ori and Thor would often go to Oneil for help.
The Tolan bowed down to Tanith a nobody instead of asking Earth for help
their unwillingness to share is explained
"Tollan" is the name of a half mythical half historical civilization that maybe flourished between the collapse of Teotihuacan and the rise of the aztecs, they are credited with creating the first Triple Alliance around 800AD, they are also called Tulans, though that particular city has now been confirmed to not be the Tula that the Aztecs often referenced.
random fact. the shape of the destiny is the same shape of a chevron on the gate. only less sharp edges and precise chevron shape.
They need to give universe a damn ending. To end it all with a good explanation
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i personally would have liked SGU to continue for at least 5 more seasons. the seasons exist in my mind.
@@5226-p1e Same. It still had air in it.
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million year old air molecules floating around the ship lol.
Great job. Thank you for this video !!!!
The Tollan are the space-elves of StarGate, even more so than the Nox. It's mostly the smugness.
2:34 Kitty! 🐱
doing a re-watch again and never realized how many cameos are on the show.
There are quite a few, and some ended up staying around.
@sg-24 so far I've seen 2 people from breaking bad. The guy from the nanny. Don deluise. And there's just more. You need to make a video about cameos
You know what… I really should. If I made such a video would you like your named credited?
@sg-24 up to you dude. Just glad to find quality stargate channel. Love the show and don't really ha e anyone to talk about it with.
It's interesting the fact they built their own Stargate
Kind of, they built it with the help of the Nox. But it is still interesting.
I know this is a joke but Orlin built a stargate with Sam’s toaster
They ultimately made the same mistakes the Ancients did by relying too much on technological superiority. The second the Goa'uld surpassed their defenses, they fell apart like a house of cards. Regarding their refusal to share tech with us, and the history of why that is, I can fully understand. We are ALWAYS at war with ourselves over unbelievably petty matters.
The spirits of these star-gate worlds is what really matters !
i always thought the Tollin had a sort of, Inspired, Elective Monarchy. The Curia is elected for life, and is not so much the master of the Tollin, but the one with the responsibility of upholding Tollin law.
Could be, again I don’t think they ever go in detail on it. But I could defiantly see them using that same reasoning you gave.
OMOC FOR ALL HIS SHORTCOMINGS AND RESERVATIONS WAS PHENOMENAL. HE UNDERSTOOD THE NATURE OF SOCIETIES HAD NOT REACHED A PINNACLE IN THEIR MINDS AND AS SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.
I'M BUMMED THAT THEY KILLED HIM CUZ HE WAS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER OF THE TOLLANS
I headcannon the Tollan as another probable member of a new version of the Great Races if they had not met their end
Sam Carter always seemed to lose her love interests, whether human or alien. Much like the Cartwrights on Bonanza.
You give the Tolans too much credit about the gate. They got help from the Nox for that. The fact the Tolans couldn’t do build their own gate before means they are not as good.
As for why the 4 races dont have their own gates
Well the Nox are nature lovers
I am not sure but the Asgard may have their own variant
Ultimately it might be a question of economics the Ancient designed gates dont need repair or maintenance and has a useful life in the millions of years why replace it
@Jon Reese true they had help from the Nox in the building of their gate, but I always read it as a joint project.
@@sg-24 the people of the Ori went from a medieval society to building Starships that could stand up to the Asgard in one year it doesnt mean it was a joint project.
I may be a little adamant about my dislike of the Tolans more so when I have read people think they are more advance than the Asgard
the tolan were misguided angels
8:29, seeing this, I wonder if the Ori beam weapons were Ion based and how well the Ion cannons would do with Ori ships. Not a one shot ovviously, but if they could get multiple cannons to bombard them it might do something
The ion cannons never came across as THAT powerful. They couldn't penetrate Anubis' upgraded shields, which were probably on a par with older Asgard tech (given that even Anubis' shields failed to bombardment from multiple Ha'taks). On the occasion we do see them destroy a Ha'tak, it took I think three shots.
Basically, the Tollan were not interested in military development. And given that we see zero shielding on the ion cannons themselves, Earth's Daedalus class battlecruisers would probably have been more than a match for a few ion cannons, even without Asgard beam weapons.
I believe the Nox are more advanced technology wise than the asgard and furlings and are roughly the same as the Alterrans
How do you figure?
maybe because their cities can float above the ground of their planet indefinably.
Atlantis could fly and become a space ship. but to hold the city in the sky would take insane amounts of power and constant power for that.
assuming it's not an illusion of course.
i mean it could very well be an illusion the nox use to convince ppl of how advanced they are.
@@5226-p1e to be fair, hovering a city over land probably requires a lot less energy than say... jumping a city across galaxies. which Atlantis did.
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it's hard to say, i know it takes significant power to jump into hyperspace, i'm not so sure about the power requirements to maintain that hyperspace window though, especially in space as your mass does not matter in space.
i mean realistically if you were to fire a gun in space and the speeding bullet traveling, likely wouldn't slow down because there is no resistance outside of other objects to run into, effectively keeping that bullet at that same speed indefinably, so long as it never ran into anything.
the hyper space in this show, it's explained as an alternate dimension as the ship is rendered out of phase while traveling within it, so no object would be able to stop it and nore would it crash into anything, but then again the show also allows the concepts such as blowing something up in hyperspace can also destroy another vehicle in the same hyperspace window, so i suppose that could disrupt it.
but hyperspace is a weird concept in this show because the moment when they drop out of hyperspace, it seems that the ship has the ability to almost stop on a dime outside the momentum speeds that they were just traveling through, a lot of space shows are like this though lol.
i mean i suppose they might have some reverse thrusters or perhaps another window is created opposite direction for a split second to get the ship to slow down enough that it appears as if it stops on a dime with little to no drift speeds as they get out of that window.
It would be nice if The Tollan had survived.
In some of the extended cannon they did.
okay i do not believe referring to citizens as subjects necessarily suggests a monarchic government.
looking at the merriam webster definition under b 2 it confirms my udnerstanding of the word, though admittedly less common than used when referring to feudal structures.
: one that is placed under authority or control: such as
a
: vassal
b(1)
: one subject to a monarch and governed by the monarch's law
(2)
: one who lives in the territory of, enjoys the protection of, and owes allegiance to a sovereign power or state
@Apokalypse456 true, it doesn’t mean than they Tollan have a monarchic government, but it does have a close connection with that from of government.
They could have something like an elected monarchy where, once elected they have nearly unlimited power within their field of government.
I like that idea. I mean not the idea of elected monarchies because, you know….. America, but that is an interesting idea. Though that would make the Tollan kind of an awkward ally to have.
Why couldn’t the Tollan use the phase shifting to phase thru Go’auld shields ?
@troybailey6904 I’d say they just didn’t think of it. They not all that smart.
They could have, but they'd already surrendered.
I gotta say, there is a massive flaw in the Tollan story from the series, and it really soured the first episode they appeared in for me.
The reason the Tollan contacted the Nox to go to their world was because earth was too far away from their world for a transport ship to reach them within their lifetime. The problem with this logic should be obvious, they had the stargate which could take them to any number of worlds closer to their new homeworld which would have shortened the trio for the transport substantially, which should have made it relatively easy for them to get back home.
Sure, that one planet might have been a volcanic wasteland so they couldn't use it, but other planets in the area could have still worked, and they had the cartouche to shift through for other worlds to try. They didn't even check.
Your not wrong, but I doubt the NID would have just let them go.
Lots of jokes about Elon Musk in Tolan videos but we need to address how much the character Tanith resembles Joel Osteen...
Just calling someone subject or citizen is not the same as treating them as such (think of UK vs. North Korea)
@comentedonakeyboard that’s a good point. I guess at the time I was thinking of a UK vs US kind of thing.
Spacefaring?
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Yes, the Tollan did have spaceships, we just never got to see them.
orlan built a stargate
Did you mean Orlin? He was an Ancient.
@@sg-24 he was but mortal form, semenatics yes but..
shame they killed off the Tollan, i would have really enjoyed the Tollan being introduced to the now more advanced humans technology.
It is unquestionable that the Humans have access to far greater tech than the Tollan had, the archive of the entire Asgard history and technology, not to mention the Ancients on top of that.
And in a bit of irony, i would have like to have seen that tollan that refused to help the humans, would now be on the other foot. needing the humans technology or something
@MinkisWinkle that would be funny. The Tollan returning and asking for help and Earth saying, “why you never helped us?”. But I think even if that did happen Earth would help, just because that’s who they are.
@@sg-24 one can always hope. Perhaps if stargate makes a return, perhaps it can be spun in such away that, the Tollan "went into hiding" as they were no longer capable of thinking strategically, nor have the ability to fight anymore due to their past arrogance.
It would indeed be interesting of persay, the Tollan went into such deep hiding they were unaware that the systrom lords are now gone, they never knew of the replicators or the ori.
The humans explaining the evils that the humans had overcame, and the Tollan being ashamed that they went hiding. Given the humans defeated those that the Tollan could not.
I have to admit, I miss stargate
What episode did jack steal tollan tech in?
Shades of Gray
@@sg-24 thx.
Good luck with exams.
It must have been difficult for Stargate to find South American actors in Canada ?
True, but I just watched and episode of TOS and they appeared to have gotten Native Americans for an Native America society. And there was an episode of Stargate where they got at least what appeared to be Asia people playing Mongolians.
@@sg-24 USA / Canada shows need more multiculturalism. India and China are not represented fairly in the Science Fiction Future... With nearly 3 Billion humans, I'm guessing most space traveling humans will be decendents from the majority, not the minority of tiny nations like USA or Canada.
@@SeaJay_Oceans Didn't you know. North America is the only country in the universe. :|
@@jameswatsonatheistgamer Star Trek Franchise could make an effort too, I think they only had one or two India actors in the whole franchise... ? Growing to 2 Billion humans now and their are almost no Indians in Space ? This does not seem likely, as India is a major hub of software and technology development today...
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Indian and China need multiculturalism
Do you like United Kingdom is a democratic government but we still have Royal family who sign all the law on the book
Okay so I’m not entirely sure what you said. I think you said, “ Do you like Kingdom, it is a democratic government, but we still have a Royal family.”. I’m not sure what Kingdom you are referring to, I assume the UK. And if so no, I don’t have a problem with that. Or any country that has a democracy but still has a royal family. Or just a royal families in general.
@@sg-24 Nothing goes pointed out louds on the top of everything we have the Queen,
The one write in law United Kingdom, but she really just a figurehead and has no power power.
I was playing out that the people who say the actual subjects of the Queen, I would put down to publi 80% with to say they were subjects of the Queen of England but she has no power, she need to ask other people in departments in the government to do something but you're suggesting its be it same as the UK.
What comes of the smoke and mirrors Parliament can be closed down by the members of Parliament but can't be we opened without the Queen speech so who has the power, On paper HL Queen but nowadays the queen's speech is written by the Prime Minister the Queen then can alter weight but the things that Parliament at going to do in Parliament is what the Prime Minister writes.
Smoke and mirrors, don't want comes to uk to see the Prime Minister, they all come to see the Queen.
I probably really badly so sorry
@@timomarkson it’s no problem. Though I am a little confused on what your saying. Are you saying the Queen does or doesn’t have power? I think your saying she does have some power?
@@sg-24 The has no power, UK Government will not work if she do not do her duties, her job of signing bill in to law
If the do not her duties Parliament your government with no work,
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are you using text to speech? because you are making no sense most of the time requiring ppl to read your comments several times just to try to understand what you are trying to communicate.
is English not your first language?
Has the narrator even watched the series? I just can't get over how many mispronunciations are in this video.
Yeah my early videos are kind of full of mispronunciations. I’ve never been the best speaker. And when I started I would think I new the name of something, but then later realized I mispronounced it.
Heck in the video Im working on now, one of the reasons for the delay is I recorded all the audio, only the realized I kept saying a species name wrong.
At some point I may got back and redo the older videos so they have a better mic and pronunciation.
You kept mispronouncing Skaara's name. It's not Sikaara.
@Ma'Zareen yeah sadly I often have trouble pronouncing names. Especially with some of my early videos were sometimes I thought I had the pronunciation down but didn't.
Please take some elocution lessons!
Is it sad I had to look up what that is. Also I know, I’m not much of a talker so I when I try to record I struggle with it. You should hear my voice before I edit it. Lots of stutters, pauses, and mispronunciations.
Everyone can understand him perfectly well.
SG-1 The Star-gate may have some bases in truth and fact about humanity here on earth history of earth and people here and beyond earth as well as star gate travel and abilities of intelligent humanoids in our unknown universe and space around us ! The stories of the star gates come from the middle east the latest or earliest known civilizations of know humanities ! Stolen basically by whites and set to flim ! But they may not have found the star gate of earth and are trying to build one with little luck 😁😂🤣
They should've communicated they had captured SG-1 and transported up a bomb instead
@Colton Albright haaaa Stargate diplomacy at its finest.
@@sg-24 I've... put more thought into it than I care to admit. They could've mined their system with intangible mines that are designed to seek out and destroy unknown ships.