History is littered with the husks of genius, un-credited, giving of themselves for free... don't worry Richard, you don't need to ask for recognition. You are our hero!
I've been using the OS for almost 5 years and never bothered to find out the meaning of the term GNU/Linux that I saw many times. Now that I know, I feel a little sorry for Mr. Stallman. he has every right to be bitter about it.
Ever since I found out that Linux is a kernel and GNU is a project for developing utility software and much more. That's what I call GNU/Linux ever since. Richard sir is the real deserving of the modern era.
"Arch Linux" is a distribution of GNU/Linux. The developers of a distro can call their distro whatever, in this case "Arch Linux" or "Arch", but it is a distribution of GNU/Linux.
So, i will now begin to say "GNU/Microsoft/IBM/...../Linux" to give everyone credit who has taken part in the today's development of the Linux OSes that we use... :) - Proudly using Ubuntu and calling it "Linux" :) - it's a work of thousands, not only of GNU.
Free and OpenSource might live together - different from what Mr. Stallman thinks. I use GIMP and still use a mostly OpenSource based "cluster" of apps. I even use - what Mr. Stallman really HATES - proprietary products. Such as some device drivers... I mean... who the hell cares? :D
Theoretically even Windows and OS X should be called GNU/* then - cause Windows also supports the gcc compiler. And glibc. So, welcome to the world of GNU/Windows, GNU/OSX, GNU/Linux, GNU/FreeBSD, GNU/Solaris, ... :D
Well, there are tons of other compilers which you can use for Linux. And just because of a compiler calling it "my operating system" (GNU/Linux ==> Stallmans System??) - thats like writing a text editor with my project Pyex and saying everybody must say Pyex/Linux ;) And glibc is used for a lot of Windows software today. Nearly any opensource software uses glibc - on Windows, Linux, BSD. And Stallman also doesn't say GNU/BSD or GNU/FreeBSD, GNU/NetBSD etc.
He want's the credit for ALL development on the Linux kernel - he alone. But this one man has not written the Linux kernel. He didn't even participate.
Yeah, but there are thousands of other contributing projects - in between, many of those do have the same percentage of work in the Linux kernel as the GNU project... So i think, it's not bad if someone says "Linux" instead of "GNU/Linux"... Microsoft also doesn't say "say SONY Microsoft/PC" or something like that. Thousands of people are not directly given credit. Fairness is what i want, nothing else. If not Microsoft is given credit for the drivers (opensource drivers! :O) they created for Linux (e.g. HyperV-support, some Samba-enhancements), GNU shouldn't be given credit either.
I don’t think it’s not giving people credit It’s just so much easier to just say Linux and anyone with the knowledge of the system knows it’s GNU/Linux. In a similar vain, I don’t say “Microsoft Windows” every single time, as it’s easy enough to just interpret “Windows” as the same thing.
Es increible que haya desconocido esto hasta ahora! me estoy iniciando en el mundo de la programacion y decidi aprender desde las bases (historia de la programacion) GNU/Linux cambiaron el mundo y asi siempre lo recordare, muchas gracias Richard Stallman! Edit: Muchas gracias tambien a TFiR por compartir este video, se aprecia muchi su trabajo y esfuerzo, saludos desde Perú!
no, without gnu you can not use Linux. You can not boot it because it is just a kernel and nothing works without gnu. gnu is the operating system so gnu is first and linux is the kernel. If anything people should call it gnu because 2 percent of gnu/Linux is actually the kernel(linux).
the same argument can be used to call it just Linux cuz without kernel no gnu apps can run. Are you sure the kernel is the 2%? I mean that can be true in a system full with bloatware. And almost imposble than the rest 98% is from the gnu project
I can be wrong, but I always thought the point of this naming scheme is to mean GNU runs "over" Linux. Just like with 3/4 means 3 is over (as in: on top of) 4, GNU/Linux means GNU runs on top of the Linux kernel, and GNU/Hurd means GNU is running over the HURD kernel, or GNU/kFreeBSD, and etc.
@@shallex5744 Ugh. Yes, it’s avoided. In fact, most of us disagree with him for reasons that Linus Torvalds has already explained for us. That’s all that needs to be said.
According to most dictionaries, LInux is an operating system by definition. I say GNU/Linux though. My friend had a point once. He said if you are going to call it GNU/Linux, why don't you also say Android/Linux? Linux now is kind of GNU/Linux. However, it is true that Richard gets no credit when we say that.
Was saying the same thing. Its not comfortable for people to say GNU + Linux and they need to come together and create a name they both comfortable with, However its more about recognition than it is, trying to solve this. Nothing will ever change and hence why they never tried to ever solve it. One wants to be bigger than the other.
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem though with GNU/Hurd existing, that may be too ambiguous to be desirable, as both GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd are very different kinds of systems architecturally
@@shallex5744 People call it simply Linux because they don't care about the GNU part of it. I deliberately call it GNU because I don't care about the Linux part of it. The GNU Project, the FSF, and RMS were the major responsible for the Free Software movement, the Free Culture way of thinking, the idea for wikipedia, Creative Commons, and so many more great things we have today that make our society more free, and they don't get proper credit for it. All of that got buried by Linux and "Open Source". That's why I chose to call the system by GNU. That's my protest.
When they did rewrite the whole OS, before that anyone that did dare to post a software that has bits of proprietary code in it got a lawsuit, like Berkeley when they did still have some bits of code from AT&T en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design,_Inc.
i would never say GNU/Linux, its simply to long, i guess everyone think the same when i say linux, and understand it as a complete GNU/Linux package. Or have anyone ever used GNU without Linux?
History is littered with the husks of genius, un-credited, giving of themselves for free... don't worry Richard, you don't need to ask for recognition. You are our hero!
I know you're probably not going to read this Mr. Stallman, but, thank you for your work, it has helped the world out tremendously.
I've been using the OS for almost 5 years and never bothered to find out the meaning of the term GNU/Linux that I saw many times. Now that I know, I feel a little sorry for Mr. Stallman. he has every right to be bitter about it.
Ever since I found out that Linux is a kernel and GNU is a project for developing utility software and much more. That's what I call GNU/Linux ever since.
Richard sir is the real deserving of the modern era.
god bless gnu
GANNOO SLASH LINUX
"Arch Linux" is a distribution of GNU/Linux.
The developers of a distro can call their distro whatever, in this case "Arch Linux" or "Arch", but it is a distribution of GNU/Linux.
From now on GNU/Linux ...didn't understand the reason why people wrote it like this before
I'd just like to interject for a moment...
You are real hero
So, i will now begin to say "GNU/Microsoft/IBM/...../Linux" to give everyone credit who has taken part in the today's development of the Linux OSes that we use... :) - Proudly using Ubuntu and calling it "Linux" :) - it's a work of thousands, not only of GNU.
Free and OpenSource might live together - different from what Mr. Stallman thinks. I use GIMP and still use a mostly OpenSource based "cluster" of apps. I even use - what Mr. Stallman really HATES - proprietary products. Such as some device drivers... I mean... who the hell cares? :D
Theoretically even Windows and OS X should be called GNU/* then - cause Windows also supports the gcc compiler. And glibc. So, welcome to the world of GNU/Windows, GNU/OSX, GNU/Linux, GNU/FreeBSD, GNU/Solaris, ... :D
Well, there are tons of other compilers which you can use for Linux. And just because of a compiler calling it "my operating system" (GNU/Linux ==> Stallmans System??) - thats like writing a text editor with my project Pyex and saying everybody must say Pyex/Linux ;)
And glibc is used for a lot of Windows software today. Nearly any opensource software uses glibc - on Windows, Linux, BSD. And Stallman also doesn't say GNU/BSD or GNU/FreeBSD, GNU/NetBSD etc.
He want's the credit for ALL development on the Linux kernel - he alone. But this one man has not written the Linux kernel. He didn't even participate.
Yeah, but there are thousands of other contributing projects - in between, many of those do have the same percentage of work in the Linux kernel as the GNU project... So i think, it's not bad if someone says "Linux" instead of "GNU/Linux"... Microsoft also doesn't say "say SONY Microsoft/PC" or something like that. Thousands of people are not directly given credit. Fairness is what i want, nothing else. If not Microsoft is given credit for the drivers (opensource drivers! :O) they created for Linux (e.g. HyperV-support, some Samba-enhancements), GNU shouldn't be given credit either.
I don’t think it’s not giving people credit
It’s just so much easier to just say Linux and anyone with the knowledge of the system knows it’s GNU/Linux.
In a similar vain, I don’t say “Microsoft Windows” every single time, as it’s easy enough to just interpret “Windows” as the same thing.
So why don't we simply call it GNU?
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem because since it was basically stealing from UNIX it already had appeal.
I love GNU
Es increible que haya desconocido esto hasta ahora! me estoy iniciando en el mundo de la programacion y decidi aprender desde las bases (historia de la programacion) GNU/Linux cambiaron el mundo y asi siempre lo recordare, muchas gracias Richard Stallman!
Edit: Muchas gracias tambien a TFiR por compartir este video, se aprecia muchi su trabajo y esfuerzo, saludos desde Perú!
legend
Cygwin and MinGW come to mind (I guess more widely used than experimental kernels).
Interesting!
GNU/Linux Arch Linux?
Im using _Linux_ right now
linocks
Linux/GNU would be more correct right? kernel first then apps
no, without gnu you can not use Linux. You can not boot it because it is just a kernel and nothing works without gnu. gnu is the operating system so gnu is first and linux is the kernel. If anything people should call it gnu because 2 percent of gnu/Linux is actually the kernel(linux).
the same argument can be used to call it just Linux cuz without kernel no gnu apps can run. Are you sure the kernel is the 2%? I mean that can be true in a system full with bloatware. And almost imposble than the rest 98% is from the gnu project
@@zainjadoon759 ok gnutard
GNU is the primary and principle contributor to the system, so its name comes first
I can be wrong, but I always thought the point of this naming scheme is to mean GNU runs "over" Linux. Just like with 3/4 means 3 is over (as in: on top of) 4, GNU/Linux means GNU runs on top of the Linux kernel, and GNU/Hurd means GNU is running over the HURD kernel, or GNU/kFreeBSD, and etc.
Actually it's Linux
Gnu/linux
Calm down, you're frothing at the mouth and calling people idiots over a near meaningless problem.
Gnu with Windows.
How he became the world’s most useless nerd.
meanwhile most of the world's infrastructure still runs on his contributions
@@shallex5744 Not really.
In fact, most of us avoid Emacs, because of the his personality.
@@Stopinvadingmyhardware yes really, and no we don't
@@shallex5744 Ugh.
Yes, it’s avoided. In fact, most of us disagree with him for reasons that Linus Torvalds has already explained for us.
That’s all that needs to be said.
@@Stopinvadingmyhardware it's also loved, but that's okay
not sure why you're even on about emacs in the first place
Pls dont do that 🥲
GNU/Hurd doesn't use Linux.
Android uses Linux but not GNU.
According to most dictionaries, LInux is an operating system by definition. I say GNU/Linux though. My friend had a point once. He said if you are going to call it GNU/Linux, why don't you also say Android/Linux?
Linux now is kind of GNU/Linux. However, it is true that Richard gets no credit when we say that.
By that logic we should just call it GNU.
Well, I love GNU, but I never say GNU/Linux
@@calabrais Yes true
@@calabrais That's what we should do.
Mr. Stallman, we salute you and thank you for all your hard work.
Email him. I don't think he uses youtube.
i will never call it "ganoo"+linux. Linux is perfectly fine.
now i understand, but i think that can be more "unusual" to say GNU/Linux than just linux. may be new term can be use?
just my opinion.
Was saying the same thing. Its not comfortable for people to say GNU + Linux and they need to come together and create a name they both comfortable with, However its more about recognition than it is, trying to solve this. Nothing will ever change and hence why they never tried to ever solve it. One wants to be bigger than the other.
making the slash silent seems easy enough to say for me, only 4 syllables
@@shallex5744 Yeah, or just calling it GNU.
@@LinuxIsNotAnOperatingSystem though with GNU/Hurd existing, that may be too ambiguous to be desirable, as both GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd are very different kinds of systems architecturally
@@shallex5744 People call it simply Linux because they don't care about the GNU part of it. I deliberately call it GNU because I don't care about the Linux part of it. The GNU Project, the FSF, and RMS were the major responsible for the Free Software movement, the Free Culture way of thinking, the idea for wikipedia, Creative Commons, and so many more great things we have today that make our society more free, and they don't get proper credit for it. All of that got buried by Linux and "Open Source". That's why I chose to call the system by GNU. That's my protest.
Glinux
Linux was the last piece of the free unix-compatible puzzle. So it stuck.
Gnu with Freebsd.
I emailed him, and, he's a little cookee.
Wasnt Unix Bsd free?
When they did rewrite the whole OS, before that anyone that did dare to post a software that has bits of proprietary code in it got a lawsuit, like Berkeley when they did still have some bits of code from AT&T en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories,_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design,_Inc.
i would never say GNU/Linux, its simply to long, i guess everyone think the same when i say linux, and understand it as a complete GNU/Linux package. Or have anyone ever used GNU without Linux?
absolutely agree. Stallman and Linus are the two sides of a coin.
GNU/Hurd and GNU/Darwin I know of.
then just say GNU.
also GNU/kFreeBSD
@@maximchintalov8387 exactly. That's what I do.
I am also helpless standardize the technology so that it is another user who passes looking malicious functions another user and I who defenseless