As an educated person, the perspective that is missing from the democrats is that education only happens through one channel. Plenty of Americans are learned through life. It’s obnoxious to think that a college education is the only path to enlightenment
College helps you not get tricked by propaganda by increasing the depth of your understanding. Nobody said it was the "only" path, but its the available one. Well, it was. I expect more universities will be closing down soon because America has decided that "expertise" means "elitist" instead of "billionaire" meaning elitist. I care enough about the economy that I quit work and went to school to learn how it works. That's called dedication, not "only one channel." Lots of people like to talk about the economy, who read an article or something and now see themself as an expert. I've read dozens of books on the topic. Reading can get you enlightenment, but most people stop after they've read one book but then they only have one opinion and nothing to compare it to.
@@havable Then you know that economics policy is not science, but theory. The few metrics evaluated for economists' "good" economy, no longer has significant relationship to households' economics. Furthermore, I'm seeing absurd loyalty to what one was taught in college, when evidence before their eyes says otherwise. Jason Furman comes to mind.
Let's blame Bill Clinton and Obama for helping Wall Street and Silicon Valley money drift into politics. But first, blame the Supreme Court for their Citizen's United decision. Money in politics is the biggest problem.
Exactly. Amazing that anyone can make this into a culture war thing. This is ridiculous. The economy is crap, and Democrats serve billionaires not workers.
You really think it's just democrats who have courted corporate dollars? Get real. The whole reason Republicans want to do nutty things like get rid of the epa and other regulatory departments is because they are slaves to corporate dollars. Their entire philosophy of trickle down economics benefits corporations, not the people. Money in politics is absolutely a problem. I'd argue a far right that does nothing but obstruct and advocates voodoo economics is far more of an issue than Obama ever was
I disagree. First, both Bill Clinton and Obama won lots of working class voters and Clinton even won lots of rural and Southern white voters- although I agree it's a different day. Liberals have burned their bridges by focusing so much on social identity issues, and a lot of the media routinely critiques both white people and men on a regular basis for almost everything. A lot of average people have disagreements with some aspects of LGBTQ, esp. the whole "what is a woman" line. They definitely shouldn't have spent 15+ yrs on these issues.
"Centrist" my rear end. Centrist was democrats leaving the public interest behind. One of the Declaration of Independence's purpose of government formation, "promote the general welfare", which neither party is doing.
They are suffering from cognitive dissonance in real time. On one hand, there is a belief they are working for the benefit of the working class. On the other, they have a deep disdain for those same people. Identity politics and class politics not quite aligning.
So the democrats should overlook the racism, misogyny and homophobia, of the white working class to try to get them to vote for the party that has more black people, women, and gay people?
I find that same disconnect in Greens. They say they're working for the environment but when they get a prez who actually does something about it (and a lot) they reject him. They claim they're working for the benefit of the working class but their rhetoric tells me that they work toward "whatever democrats are against" which makes them "republicans" in my view because that is the goal of republicans too.
The worker has been stepped on over and over again over 50 years plus. Every economic downturn leads to a ratcheting down of wages and benefits. Many times, the recovery doesn't match the loss.
Absolutely. How do we make change. Without compromising morals. They keep us in this DEVIDE. Morally. The economic inequality. To fight against it. One has to abandon. Moral beliefs
Finally someone used the "ratchet effect" to its true meaning. How it works is the GOP gives billionaires a massive tax cut. Then the billionaires use their influence and resources to crash the economy. Step three is for billionaires to buy up all the wreckage, which will regain its value when the economy recovers. Step four is to use the money to keep the GOP in office so they can start over again.
The recovery doesn’t match the loss. You said it! Governments have gotten so fixated on looking good on paper that they get shocked when voters who live in these circumstances aren’t persuaded by economic propaganda. It’s like sending a man with a broken leg a well-written argument that his leg is not actually broken, he’s just been subjected to disinformation about his legs that he needs to be educated out of. Of course he’s not going to be convinced. He’s going to be angry.
Back then, growth of returns came from actual investment in research and development (make a better mouse trap), and market growth. Now, growth of the *rate* of returns has targeted mainly the labor market: pocket ever increasing % of the value created by labor, giving labor less and less. Globalization: international elite collaborating on You can bilk our population if we can bilk your population.
In 1976 I was a Democrat. Today I consider myself an Independent. When I was growing up unions were strong and I associated the Democratic party with the working class. As an engineer in the 1980's I was thrilled to hear the Democrats talking about how tech workers were their future. What never occurred to me that they would neglect the working class in the process. What used to be a fringe extreme left has become ascendant with the support of Gen Z. As an old time Boomer Democrat the party has moved away from me to the left. The Republican party has been replaced by the Trump party. I am homeless in the Independent middle though I vote Democratic. I'm just not happy about it.
When one has to hold one's nose and vote Democrat, it is a pretty clear indication of failure to connect with a huge segment of hard working Americans.
Many of us (on both sides and In the middle) are in the same boat with you on this. Thanks to Citizens United, there will likely never be another “working class” party as long as money rules everything!
Maybe if Harris wins the 'middle' will hold politically and Liz takes back the GOP, but how to get money in the pockets of the lower economic classes will be... impossible (The U.S. should have been more generous while things were cheaper!). Too late now i am afraid.
I was never in the middle. I have always been a CRM Martin Luther King Jr. moral suasion Negro and will probably die one. Based on your comments, Mr. Democrat in 1976, you were never down with MLK.
@@oldbeatpete Rational. Some of my highly educated coworkers: "The state can't tell _me_ what to do!" No seatbelt use. I said "Well that'll show them, when your face is full of windshield glass!" No vaccine. Etc. They are just as susceptible to irrational belligerence. As a matter of fact, Google hiring trend, only hire top of class, blew up. They were all too arrogant to collaborate.
@LivMYlif3 yes it does. That is very naive. Cheney is a creep who likes her policy. Remember Haliburton and the Iraq war? Trump and co want to put an end to that collusion. Trump called them out in 2016 and the neockns didn't like it. Kamala is easily influenced and bought by people like Cheney.
Democratic leaders left the folks to fend for themselves without support in the 80s and 90s with manufacturing going to China while the highly-educated and company decision-makers sat back and collected their stock dividends. They made so much money and raised their own compensation so much, that they forgot about the midwest and the rust belt and all the "fly-over country" where suddenly family breadwinners had to accept minimum wage and no paid vacation or sick time. Opportunity decreased, depression and injuries of the middle-aged workers increased, that led to epidemic levels of opioid use. And here we are today with the democrats making meaningless performative gestures around identity, while people wonder what the point is, and CEOs _still_ sit back and collect their massive stock dividends as the CEO-to-worker compensation ratio constantly increases.
That is certainly the conservative view of what democrats are about. But ever since the rurals went red, have they prospered? Did the Reds make farming doable again? Or are farmers selling their land to Big Ag because the family farm got phased out by the republicans which you're blaming democrats for? You make a great show of not liking CEOs but your republican party gives them massive tax cuts every time you help get them elected.
The problem with being a party of coastal, college educated professional knowledge workers is that there are not enough of us to win elections. I am a lifelong liberal Democrat. I don't want to see the Democratic party become the party of the well-off. We desperately need white working class members. The only way to get them is to support issues they feel are important. One of those is immigration. For the last 8 years we ignored a seriously bad situation on the border - it takes 4 years for an asylum applicant to get a hearing! - because we told ourselves the issue was just Trump scapegoating. All my Democrat friends didn't think it was important, I told them they needed to wake up. Then last February, we suddenly realized a majority of Americans want more border security, and we tried to jump on the bandwagon with a bipartisan border bill. The Republican party naturally refused to let us off the hook. Now the border is probably the biggest issue Trump has against Harris. We could have taken this issue away from Trump by acting earlier, enacting common sense reforms.
Common sense? And when a billion people show up because the equatorial regions are uninhabitable from a destabilized climate Americans caused? When relocating is literally the smartest adaptation any organism can take to survive, and we belong to a nomadic species? Give in to the nationalists on immigration, and they’ll start deporting undesirables next.
Spot on! Democrats ignored the growing situation at the border until GOP governors started busing illegal immigrants to Democrat sanctuary cities. When southern Red states were having to handle the problem on their own, Democrats were happy to ignore the problem and simply point out the cruel family separation policies that Trump put in place. With Biden in the white house , still little being done until getting close to an election year - then offered a bipartisan bill, which, of course, Republicans were not going to endorse so Trump could use immigration as a talking point. Both political parties have become more interested in politics than problem solving. Test the wind before you say or do anything. Don't upset any of your important core constituencies. Leave the other party holding the hot potato. Leave a juicy problem unsolved while the other team is in power.
Illegal immigration: -our government has dropped Credible Fear screening, at the border, before allowing them to proceed. -true asylum seekers have 1 year from arrival, to apply for asylum. The vast majority do not. The vast majority of those who do, are adjudicated to not in need of asylum. -Reagan's precedence, "one-time" waiver for those precedence, created this train-wreck. Anyone outside the border is now deciding for themselves they are an immigrant, to the US. -"families", exempt from any/all legal immigration law. No idea why Ds attribute this god like status, on "families". Quasi-legal migration: -any bachelor degreed worker, or higher, can be replaced with a visa'd foreign worker, who's employers' unverified, claim they can't find a citizen for the job _on_ _their_ _terms_ can be replaced with a foreign worker. And millions of us, have been given 3 months' notice, in which time we are to train our foreign worker replacement. Should they achieve a green card, they too are dumped for a fresh batch of visa'd employer indentured foreign worker. You bet we're PO'ed. And I am not a Trump voter.
@@hw6271 Sean is not claiming that makes sense. He is saying Ds did their damage on this issue. The Far Left mindless support for illegal migration is just as bad as Far Right mindless support for banishing all abortion. Theoretical ego rally points, that have no factual or pragmatic sense behind them.
Forewarned early 1990s, by Perot (giant sucking sound of jobs out of the country), Sir James Goldsmith (globalism will cause political, economic and cultural chaos), etc.
@@adek2989 "The liberals" Are you referring to the Trump-donating CEO at networks you have deemed "liberal?" Its the CEOs who fire the reporters whose reporting is a threat to the billionaire class. But then details always get in the way of a good conspiracy theory don't they.
Calling people with a college degree "an educated class" is a stretch, just as it is to label those who work with their hands and run small businesses as "uneducated". In today's world, things are more complex. The dividing line lies between those who rely, to some extent, on the system for their success and those who depend on their own entrepreneurial skills.
“Educated class” literally just means those who attended a post secondary institution - it is not a vocational or moral class distinction per se - also trump lost 2020
@@AllMagasGoToGitmonor does it have anything to do with IQ or any intelligence grading. Educated means just that, received an education, even if it was only two years. In those two years one mostly likely learned world history and how to distinguish an autocrat from a representative of the people. So yes, the educated class is a thing.
@AllMagasGoToGitmo As someone who read Das Kapital in my youth, I can assure you that 'educated class' is a 19th-century term referring to the meritocratic elite. In modern society, where 40% of people under 30 have a 4-year degree of various quality, this term is meaningless. I have Ivy League graduates in my own family who know less about life than an average farmer. As a matter of fact, their ignorance and lack of emotional intelligence are astounding.
@@fibhufky the pinnacle of ignorance and lack of emotional understanding is a Trump supporter. You might dupe a farmer, but you likely won't fool a doctor.
As a community college educated will vote harris plain simple. But yes the college educated not many but some do not have empathy and view the non educated with contempt, immoral character and grammar -nazi patrols when every they feel or like. This election does feel divided. No matter who wins. I hope we can come together and have empathy for one another.
There is no working class and middle class. They are both working class. Those terms divide workers against each other, when we should unite against the rich ruling class
Office workers have been segregated from working class. Yes, it perpetuates divide of electorate, which well serves elite interests. I resent acceptance of "rich ruling class", as an American, purportedly living in a "democracy". Yet, here we are, with a purchased Washington.
His answer to "what's wrong with listening to educated people?" (12:28) is the most important thing he said. But the educated won't listen. For one thing, the idea that their education ought to give them more patience, a greater willingness to listen, more wisdom, tact, and adroitness in their interventions never crosses their minds. They just think they know better and have a superior right to be listened to. They need to lose a few more elections.
The fundamental issue, underlying the trainwreck the US is now operating with for policies, is that some people matter, or at the least are more important, and others don't. The floor: Living Min Wage.
@buzoff4642 A living minimum wage is insane. It supposes that every job is somehow supposed to support the total expenses of a person (or a family). Nuts. Some jobs are like that--they produce that much value to the employer--not all. Such a minimum just takes jobs away from teenagers and sideworkers, who want to work but are not going to produce that magnitude of value. And it takes away the prompting to move up, out of an unskilled and low-paying job, into something more useful and therefore more remunerative. My comment was about the felt prerogative of educated people to insist that their values in public policy ought to drive the agenda; "living minimum wage" is an example of that. It sounds pro-worker; but it hurts people at the bottom.
@@philipmoss4027 "it takes away the prompting to move up, out of an unskilled and low-paying job, into something more useful and therefore more remunerative" A position they won't promote you to without a college degree, which you argued are only held by arrogant non-listeners which doesn't include whoever you're giving the advice to because they already took your advice to not go to college.
@havable What are you so angry about? I'm operating at the same level of generalization as this fellow is, in this clip. We're talking about "college educated, blue leaning, professionals": they're not hard to find, and they're very confident about their assumptions about what's a priority. (So, I don't have to go out and conduct interviews.) This is what he's criticizing here. I'm only adding that they're not going to listen; they're too wrapped up in their own high-mindedness. If they're going to learn, they will need to be chastened.
Amen! As someone who has been deeply concerned about catastrophic climate change for close to two decades, it has always driven me mad that there has never been room in our political discourse for an honest reckoning with the immediate costs of long term solutions to working class Americans and how we are going to come together as a society to offset those costs. I am so grateful that this was the example he sited as a failure of the left to truly lead successfully on this critically important issue.
When it comes to ordinary working-class people like myself, Donald Trump is the best thing that has ever happened to the Democratic party. Trump IS unacceptable. Let's hope that the Democratic party doesn't get lazy (or corrupted) thinking that they only have to oppose MAGA.
You should take a look at the tax tables and reconsider whether drumpf is good for working class voters. It's pretty easy to look up Answer...he is not
Working class people are spending thousands more each year in basic expenses because of the Biden inflation. Working class is not even close to being better off.
The better way to look at it is that business sold out rural america and took out the factories. The working class man blamed the democrats for that which is entirely wrong. Republicans/ business sold out working america.
Both parties became champions of "neoliberalism" starting in the 1970s. That is where the "both sides are the same" criticism became solidified. Today, MAGA is hoping there is enough of that feeling left to hide their fascism until they can take control. The goal is a permanent "ruling party" and a permanent "opposition party" like Russia or Hungary.
Let’s have one national primary day for all the states, and use the popular vote to pick the nominees. And incumbency does not guarantee the nomination. The sham debacle of the primaries this year is what got us these two flawed, divisive candidates. The two parties completely manipulated and ruined the primaries.
@sharonharmon5656 any and every political candidate is flawed. I am personally not a fan of either candidate but Kamala is not a divisive candidate by any means compared to many other presidential candidates in recent history. Trump is by far the most divisive politician ever.🤷
Here's the thing that's so frustrating about your guest's premise... All these "failures" on the left pale in comparison to the utter lack of any effort on the Right to help the working class. Trump makes a new promise everyday, but he'll fulfill none of them. The GOP is still selling trickle down economics, which has failed for over 40 years.
The guy who makes promises but doesn't fulfil them is better than the woman who didn't come to visit at all. A lot of this is on Hillary. A lot of this is because of what happened in 2016.
Slam dunk. I live in California and am a blue collar union electrician. My power bill easily tops 700 bucks a month. Additionally, I am completely aware that I have a lesser standard of living compared with my parents generation. My children will have less than I have. Both Republicans and Democrats have forsaken us
Wow! Wow, wow, wow! 5 years ago, my power bill was $75 a month, family and coworkers' were $125 a month. Now my power bill's $125 a month. Are you running electric heat?
@@buzoff4642 California has a whole bunch of fees added on. 1/ third third of the entire bill in California is fees associated with government programs. Additionally, PG&E has been sued and lost in court for causing a wildfire that killed people and now they’re under pressure to bury their powerlines in the mountains so those fees have been tacked on as well. California also makes us pay for carbon credits to help cartel global warming
I think this gentleman fails to account for the fact that the Internet, information technology, and the democratization of media has totally transformed the political landscape. So many of these guys are living in the past people no longer identify in these silly little political labels they don’t. It’s getting much more extreme.
"people no longer identify in these silly little political labels" In other words, The Left Has Split Itself, and you think that's a good thing. But it doesn't matter now because there will never be another election. Get used to chains because soon all of us will wear them, even if we aren't the "enemies" the republican party ran against. They didn't run against veterans, for example, but they have a plan to make most of us homeless in that Project 2025.
yes, and the fact that the economic floor was removed from beneath everyone's feet by NAFTA and the pivot to lightly-regulated free trade. This is based on considering American residents as consumers above all else, and diminishing their status as citizens. The statistics that people both are economically 'fragile' or 'vulnerable', and the self-perception of that vulnerability means the economy isn't working for the majority -- by design. Again, by design choices are made over and over to increase economic vulnerability for the majority. Is it any wonder that the Biden team 'bungled the messaging' around the recovery? Even Harris at this stage will talk about the strength of the economy -- but the economy sucks for very many people. Good grief. Culture issues my eye....
Not saying nafta was good at all but have you heard of this thing called trickle down economics? You should look into it. The Republicans have been pushing that lie since Reagan and it's been far more damaging to the middle class than anything. Nevermind needless obstruction.
@@emdragowsky2967 NAFTA was trial run for globalism. No coincidence, unemployed was redefined at that time, to hide the damage. Previously, unemployed was anyone who wanted a job but didn't have one. Then redefined to only count those who've actively searched for a job in the past month. The metrics used for good/bad economy has been divorced from the state of the population. A company doing better used to mean so did their workers. But a company with their offshored work means they're more profitable (buy low elsewhere, sell high in the most expensive market, the US), and not their employees. A net loss for the citizenry, a vast swing of net gain, to anyone selling in the US. It's not "free market". I can't go open a pharmacy in Germany, selling drugs I imported from [who cares where]. Globalism also shunts the bill to the citizenry. US citizens pay for multinationals' failed efforts (bailouts), both foreign and domestic businesses, and we're billed for their high risk layout - military escort of cargo on the high seas. Roll in the tax free bilking, and,,, Is it any wonder the public's PO'ed.
The guest never actually said what’s wrong with the party. He just asserted that conventional assumptions are wrong then when on to give a history that never addressed the question
That's because he wants dems to blame ourselves for what Mossad did to us in getting our youth to blame America and our president for the genocide Israel is committing.
@@buzoff4642 "Ds' diverted focus on appealing to the college educated suburban" If that was true, they'd have listened to the protestors about Gaza, or at least explained to them that they can't do jack crap without congress on that. You're trying to have it both ways.
@@havable Suburban. Students aren't suburban. Selective cherry picking words from a statement. As for "can't do jack", true, but much of that is dependent on use of bully pulpit. Else LBJ wouldn't have been so successful at his initiatives.
He said what’s wrong is that the party has alienated working class voters that formed a foundation of the party at all high points in its history. He said offering order on the border is a great way to rebuild that relationship with working class voters.
I'd sure like to see a group discussion with this guy and Chris Hedges who has been writing and talking on this topic for decades now, but for some reason you don't see "leftist" media outlets interviewing him, despite his legacy at the "liberal" NYT.
The pandemic fallout like inflation has nothing to do with democrats. We had the same inflation in Canada and the EU. Other than that, I like your analysis.
When political conversations arise, I turn into Socrates. - What country in the world has had less inflation? - What proposals does Trump have to make housing affordable? - What would best address this homelessness epidemic? Usually three questions and the person gets angry, which demonstrates that they haven't thought things through.
@@northernbohemianrealistA former Prime Minister of Australia, after he had selected his cabinet, required everyone to work their first day assisting homeless people.
Half the inflation in the US, UK and Australia in this period was corporate price gouging which governments like the Dems could have reined in through price controls, windfall taxes etc. They didn't and the result is angry electorate refusing to vote for them.
@greenscene5215 Unfortunately parties in these countries are afraid of price controls of any type. Their opposition will say it's socialism, even though at least rent control has been common over time. There would have to be a paradigm shift and some political courage to get there.
Why don't Democratic Presidents (not their bureaucrats) talk directly to the public when times are tough? A weekly chat would give the media content to discuss and the electorate information that might help them understand and feel more confident. Can we copy Trump on this one? He never stops talking and people respond to that.
@@sb31268 - When is the last time you did a nuclear drill? Where’s your gas mask? How often do you see rockets intercepted overhead? I think the defense budget is doing a little more than you think it is.
Wars no longer the only means of gifting money to industry. Billions in tax monies handed over, for bailouts, to reshore failed offshore of the "multinational" ventures, etc.
Great timing! We're just three days away from an election that’s essentially a choice between democracy and authoritarianism. The Democratic candidate is focused on rebuilding the middle class, yet you choose this moment to debate past shortcomings in Democratic support for the working class...
Their shortcomings aren't past. For 30 years, min tipped wage is at $2.13 an hour, and still is. Regardless of who's in control of white house and congress.
@@buzoff4642 Your response is exactly why I believe this video will lead people to vote against their own interests: "Ending the sub-minimum wage for tipped workers" is LITERALLY part of Kamala’s agenda. (on her website, Chapter 10, 3rd paragraph.)
@@lapetiteallemande1 In other words, buried. There should be a solid floor, rather than the current magiscope of wage lows. Living Min Wage, not selective floor for migrants, teens, etc. Living Min Wage.
@@buzoff4642 Please don’t be discouraged - take a look at her plan. Yes, there are numerous measures she wants to implement, but they all serve ONE clear goal: strengthening the middle class. (Other than Trump...)
Doug Schoen. Librul of Libruls. Per Wikipedia: "Fox News hired Schoen as a political analyst in 2009 and Newsmax hired Schoen as a columnist. In 2010, he authored a book on the Tea Party movement with Scott Rasmussen. He has been writing a regular column for Forbes magazine beginning in July 2016 with a column 'Donald Trump Through The Years'. "Newsmax TV announced that Schoen would be leaving Fox News and on January 19, 2021, Schoen joined Newsmax TV as an Analyst."
I can wish that Democrats would learn how to talk to people from where I grew up, Mississippi and Louisiana, without insulting and provoking outrage. I do not think this means Dem's have to agree with everything these people believe but I can assure that today they are beyond feeling like they have not been listened to, they feel insulted and ridiculed by the left. Granted the outrage media has taken this and amplified this to a power of 100 but somehow this is a bridge that must be crossed for America to re-unite. I am a life long registered Democrat and labor supporter. Frankly I believe that people in the south were not listened to and were insulted and ridiculed by the left. America can not heal without recognition of this problem and action to improve. IMO the left has been just as bad as the right at being unwilling to listen to people with whom they disagree. That is poison no matter who does it. And I have been guilty of this myself. I am not proud of that.
That sounds like a 'you' problem. I'm 61 and lived in the south my entire life and not once did I ever feel "insulted" or "ridiculed" by democratic politicians. Then again I look around me and face reality, we have many major problems here but they are not because a politician (seemingly was mean to me) it's because of outdated nonsense that keeps people on their knees and easily manipulated. There are ALOT of ignorant people here, not ignorant per education but basic common sense and critical thinking skills. Until that is admitted and faced we are doomed. They will believe practically any conspiracy theory while ignoring facts and evidence, in fact they double down on gossip and rumors when faced with overwhelming evidence. You cannot reason with unreasonable people, until they are accountable and wake up from whatever manipulated fever dream they have decided to adopt, nothing changes, but it must start with them, accountability.
yes, the society of profit- takers will NEVER listen to the left. And astonishing how you keep hearing how Obama & company supposedly 'talk down' to conservatives- are they jealous and fearful of education?
@@dbarker7794 The majority of Americans are democrat, this will increase as education levels in the US rise. Since the US is not a democracy, the GDP keeps getting elected. Al Gore, Clinton both got the most votes.
"tax credit" is disowning Non-Living Wage. It rolls the bill for the shortfall, onto the national tax payers' tab. Elite, business, in effect, are on "welfare" - shunting actual business expense, labor, onto the public. Ex: Amazon warehouse workers get $.25 in public welfare assistance for every $1 of wage.
The challenge for the Democratic Party is its attempt to appeal to every group in society to maximize voter support, even when some groups’ agendas may conflict with American values or interests. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) could benefit from clearly defining its core values and mission, adopting a more realistic approach, and distancing themselves in support for politicians, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders, whose positions lean further left than the party’s broader base. Additionally, if the party truly wants to represent the people, it should reduce its reliance on corporate funding, which currently exceeds that of the Republican Party by a significant margin.
That might work today. It didn't work in the 1970s or 1980s. Jesse Jackson was the AOC and Bernie Sanders of the 1980s. But too many white liberals couldn't stand him. My white liberal allies (in Little Rock, AR, no less - do you know how rare it is to have white allies in the South?) understood that Jackson would reverse Reaganism. He was the candidate who embodied what Rustin had in mind in "From Protest to Politics." He would have helped black America; the working class, black and non-black; and saved the mostly white middle class.
A total fabrication on your part. Deep dive into lobbyist monies: 60% goes to whoever's in power, 40% to whoever isn't. Which is lose/lose for the public, as the parties vie for the monies. The public gets esoteric sound bites interpreted into whatever suits the listener, and at best "tax credits" to fold the non-living wage bills back onto the public, those who are paying the tax bills needed to run the country.
He makes some great points, including that the party that most over-reaches, or does the poorest job of staying grounded, tends to be the more vulnerable in the next election cycle. Intellectuals do often get hyper-focused on (for instance) national policy concerns to the detriment of those that are regional or local; or on a Goals focus but not a pragmatic how to get from here to there focus (and the first qithout the second can prove very disappointing).
Reading John Ganz "When the Clock Broke". He devotes a fair amount of ink to David Duke (former Grand Wizard of the KKK), in his political aspirations. The same racist, radical voters who loved David Duke were still there after he faded, and primed and cocked for Donald Trump. They have always been here (I live among them). Former Louisianna governor Edwards warned that another Duke pol would arise, and find his audience waiting for him. And it only took 30 years.
Politics is really difficult. The assumption that if the Democrats had only done something different they would be winning elections with no difficulty flies in the face of the reality of how difficult it is to hold together a coalition that is broad enough to win. In 2016, Bernie had the positions that were broadly pro working class. He made an impressive showing in the primaries, but there were enough segments of the coalition that he didn't win. There are accusations that the party leadership put their thumbs on their scale, and to an extent, they did, but if those positions were popular across the coalition, he would have been the nominee in spite of the interference. I don't have an answer, and I wish I did, but to say that the Democrats made a wrong turn at this or that point, without considering what was going on when the decisions were made is to indulge in wishful thinking. Still, I wish that Biden had been a better communicator.
It has been a long time now, but 'Obama's Last Stand' is this weekend! President, Senate, House - Republicans run the table and a referendum on democratic lawfare and media mind control.
From the start, this piece poses a distinction and dichotomy between working class voters and "educated voters". Who says working class people can't be educated? Who says educated people cant be working class? The uncritical assumption that these are two mutually exclusive groups is part of the problem...
He is using labelling as shorthand for a bunch of different kinds of people who roughly group into two types; lower income/manual/trades workers vs higher income/ professional /higher educated/social liberals...
@@honuman39 unless you are black and refused to stand in the same line as Clarence Thomas. We were Jim Crow'ed and most of white America, including liberal white America, totally ignored it. And still do.
Yes, exactly. Republicans say they are for the working class and yet look at who is there at the top. Offering this up as a dichotomy at this moment in history is sane washing.
Weigh in on the damage from democrats. Millions replaced at work, with illegal and quasi-legal foreign workers. A "tax credit" from wage demise only rolls the assist onto public debt/the public's tax bill.
@buzoff4642 what??? 🤯 I can tell you are not a critically thinking democrats. Republicans are only able to “win” over the uneducated, working poor because they are easier to brainwash and lie to, unfortunately!
Republicans have long promoted the offshoring and outsourcing of American jobs. Republicans have supported bills resulting in factory closures and always vote against investment in infrastructure. How is that good for American workers? Meanwhile the Democrats are building semiconductor factories, which employ American workers. @@buzoff4642
To be fair the electoral college was created to prevent tyranny of majority or minority. Plus the only reason Trump didn't get the popular vote was because of the Libertarian that 3% which is high for its standard. As for the two parties, I agree they should have more viable options. But even Washington was against parties and was an independent
@@riumudamc4686 if you're talking about trump, he was duly convicted in state court and is running for president because he's running away from the prison cell he belongs in.
IMO The only thing wrong with the Democrat party is that it is not progressive enough on climate change and tax policy, otherwise, they come closest to my values and hopes for our country. Our leadership needs to make the hard decisions necessary to preserve our liberal democracy including our social safety net.
How is it that even in the context of a conversation about Democratic course corrections there remains an enormous blind spot in the omission of capitalism as the key contributor to so many issues?! It's not enough to point at the cost of consumer goods or the supply of housing when these are in themselves mere symptoms of that problem. Professional and academic Democrats need to recognize and acknowledge that *they are complicit* in these issues by their apparent presumption that capitalism works - it doesn't! - and that is the one and only "labour" issue to examine. The world (and especially its climate concerns) cannot afford to be perceived any longer as a game of Monopoly in which life itself is mortgaged.
Economics and economists more specifically, do violence by ‘internalizing’ what is needed, and ‘externalizing’ what is unwanted. Modernity more broadly, objectifies, and abstracts the world into prices, making it all utilitarian and instrumental. Looking at reality: social bonds and communities, organisms and ecologies, materials and energy flows, brings a lot of clarity. But to challenge capitalism, requires the articulation of a post-capitalism. And when the alternative is national market fascism, it is time.
@@clayfoster8234 And that's why capitalism itself is not a viable economic model: by design its regulation is insufficient to protect those it exploits. Capitalism is nothing more than a barbaric mercenary sport.
It's not only people without a college education that feel left behind. Many from working or middle-class backgrounds bought the education rhetoric and ended up in insurmountable debt.
Why are entrepreneurs and business owners never mentioned as a voting segment. There’s 30 million of us in the United States. And I would contend that an overwhelmingly, high percentage are fiscally very conservative.
We talk about them all the time. They're the people who buy the politicians. "Wall St", "the 1%", "lobbyists", [not necessarily-]Citizens United, Chamber[pot] of commerce, etc.etc.
They didn't lose their way. The fire hose of propaganda from the haters is tremendous. Say working class when you mean low information and less educated.
In the 90s, Clinton joined the republican party and branded this as "centrist". Then they together signed off on offshoring blue collar work, aka NAFTA. And redefined unemployed as only those who've looked for a job in the past month, eliminating long term unemployed from the count. Min tipped wage, $2.13 an hour, has not budged since then - over 30 years.
Clinton. My brother lost four jobs during that administration. On Friday afternoons, FOUR TIMES, the boss came in and told the guys to unbolt the equipment and remove the safety tools because the plant was shut and all machinery was being shipped to China.
Yes. Major damage from Clinton's "centrist" alignment to the monies of elite. Within a single year, 1997-1998, I watched my entire department replaced with visa'd foreign workers. NorthWest coast, and NYC tech workers say they were being wiped out, early 1990s.
Chuck Schumer ? "For every one we loose in the rust belt, we will gain in the upper middle class suburbs. " ( May not be correct but something like that was said out loud. )
Close enough. Schumer's strategy -- besides serving Israel first -- has been to forget lower-income workers and progressives and cater to the suburbanite types who live on Long Island. Oh, and serve Israel first!
Yes. Kicked off with bipartisan NAFTA, and has been rolling seriously downhill ever since. Democrat party "centrism" has moved the party to chasing the lobbyist monies.
This debate focuses too much on voting. Americans are locked into a duopoly that often acts like one party with two wings. Many of these shifts in voting is because the management of American empire is failing.
Lots of B. S..here As a 30year retired union member of the Laborers union- President Biden turn thus crap around. Hello??? Where the hell has this author been???
The swing on illegal immigration originates in the bussing of illegal migrants into NYC and Boston. Ds' well off are just as freewheeling on expenses as the Rs: so long as someone else is footing the bill.
A little deeper, you have to watch what your representative votes. And in doing so, discovering they're not voting "promote the general welfare", as stated in the declaration of independence.
College-educated black voters do as well. There are definitely more college-educated black Americans who live among the black working class than their white counterparts. I've learned to stay out of white-folk business since white folks really don't want to listen to black folks.
@@andreabrown4541 the guest in this is the type of white democratic consultant that Roland Martin is always talking about, because it never occurs to them that if democrats would lean into issues like police reform and reparations, they would consolidate the black vote and not need to compromise their values to get the white vote.
I am seeing a whole bunch of historical revisionism in this comment section. Hopefully, some brave person will write the definitive book that will cause the downfall of these myths just like that lost cause myth.
I tried to find examples of Trump doing retail politics and only found the McD closed event. Harris does retail events at every stop. Why does Trump not take the time to talk to us? Trump is not talking WITH us, he is talking AT us. Maybe it’s a king and peons thing?
He's the voicebox of "I'm justifiably PO'ed!" Ironically, "good economy!" is an affront to those suffering, unless it comes out of his mouth when he's in office. Hinged on false hopes.
She don’t do it every stop to my knowledge the best way to put the average democrat not to be rude. Is your party needs to accept being defeated by the other, you guys really need to work on being humble and dealing with the Americans people’s problems. Don’t go crawling to the elites and hope for a boost in the election either. Honestly currently I don’t see Harris fit to run as our president, she can’t even speak to non the mention, was mocking Christian’s. Does not like Christmas and many others. Trump talks to the American people offering them the American dream, what do the democrats offer they just want everything to be handed to them right then and now without any hard work. Next time please research carefully compare the two then you can state your opinion. Just saying Harris does events is one but I don’t think those events are dealing with the average American problem. Since Biden left office the inflation, personally I’m blaming democrats on this as an independent. Also I see that there is a multiple ways. The democrat party has lost its way. The best way to put it is, republicans are the American people the dream to be free, democrats are the social elites that promise things but lie about it. I feel bad for older/young who vote democrat as currently Harris has no plan on how she is fixing inflation and has lied to you.
Question: He mentioned "working from public opinion to public policy." How can we reshape campaigns to be more educative instead of manipulating voters with superficial slogans and images? Each electiral cycle is worse at this. One key figure is Pete B. He actually tries to educate listeners.
What? How the Democratic Party lost its way? What about the GOP in comparison? So just days before the election you’re going to cast doubt on Democrats? Set your opinion priorities in light of how it may affect our nation at this moment. If we’ve “lost our way” tell us AFTER the election.
@@dbarker7794 instead of trying to get out more of the voters who are already inclined to vote Democrat he is suggesting to throw groups loyal to the Democratic party under the bus to get the votes of people who hate those voting blocs already loyal to the Democrats.
Why does this guy keep making some kind of weird distinction between "college educated" and "working class"? Working Class = works for a living e.g. collects a paycheck. I have a college degree (two, actually), and I work for a living. I am part of the working class. This guy, a college professor, whether he admits it or not, is part of the working class. Most people work for a living, as opposed to making money from money (capital investments). Whether you're a teacher, bus driver, trade worker, or computer programmer, you're working for a paycheck and if the paychecks stop comming you lose your income. If you're a business owner, and you cut yourself a paycheck like everyone else, you're working class.
"Carpet people" as my ex used to call them, are seen as privileged. When actually, tech staff are psychologically flogged and sweated as much as "working class" blue collar. And the keyword you're using is "class". US is a class society, while capitalism likes to claim, in the US, we don't have classes. It's deflection, because we have no valid excuse for billionaires. Business owners a) often shunt their income to "dividends", a far lower tax rate on the unearned income, than earned income tax rates.
@@oldbeatpete It's not a money marker. Working class has traditionally meant physical labor, working class made their income via selling of physical labor. Also called blue collar. They are in effect a micro business.
Oh.. this is terrible, how could this even happen. Harris loses the electoral collage, the popular vote, the senate, the house and DT get to pick judges for another 4 years. How could this happen
What's your beef? Republicans have also been aired, says the same, "What have we done?!?" The Far Left and Far Right have dragged the nation into the gutter.
Indeed. This planet is cold and dark; Republicans are living in the la la fantasy land, no concern for our future environment. Living in the sea of lies is just fine and dandy, roaring applaud, sending him money.......
A lot of MAGA would vote for Bernie Sanders rathet than Donald Trump. The Clintons courted the one-percenters in the 1990s. Having Hillary run in 2016 was disastrous. The correction is delivering left-leaning ideas that MAGA can't attack as socialism.
They wouldn’t. Do you not understand? Bernie’s plans would help minorities too. MAGA votes against their own interests when their interest also help melanated people. It’s been that way since 1964.
The Dems always nominated the wrong person- Reagan spooked them because he revealed what racist oppressive white people Americans are, the lowest MAGA denominator.
@nsbd90now But I have to admit your taking it like a champ! I'm impressed! It's not easy to get before the world and confess to everyone you don't have a shred of humor in your whole body! In fact, maybe I was wrong about you! Cuz u know, it takes a real sense of humor to admit you don't have a sense of humor! And you really don't have any sense of humor so therefore you must have a really keen and biting sense of humor! LOL!
"don't want draconian measures but want order at the border and it's not an insane position though it's not mine"....what an odd statement. so he doesn't want order at the border?
As an educated person, the perspective that is missing from the democrats is that education only happens through one channel. Plenty of Americans are learned through life. It’s obnoxious to think that a college education is the only path to enlightenment
College helps you not get tricked by propaganda by increasing the depth of your understanding. Nobody said it was the "only" path, but its the available one. Well, it was. I expect more universities will be closing down soon because America has decided that "expertise" means "elitist" instead of "billionaire" meaning elitist. I care enough about the economy that I quit work and went to school to learn how it works. That's called dedication, not "only one channel." Lots of people like to talk about the economy, who read an article or something and now see themself as an expert. I've read dozens of books on the topic. Reading can get you enlightenment, but most people stop after they've read one book but then they only have one opinion and nothing to compare it to.
So you think the people who didn't get the vaccine or who believed that Haitians were eating cats are educated?
@@havable Then you know that economics policy is not science, but theory. The few metrics evaluated for economists' "good" economy, no longer has significant relationship to households' economics.
Furthermore, I'm seeing absurd loyalty to what one was taught in college, when evidence before their eyes says otherwise. Jason Furman comes to mind.
AND education isnt the only reason person deserve respect, if anything it shouldnt be one
@@alanbudde8560 The issue causing damage is the allocation of credibility given credentialed.
Economists' "good economy" makes them look like idiots.
Let's blame Bill Clinton and Obama for helping Wall Street and Silicon Valley money drift into politics. But first, blame the Supreme Court for their Citizen's United decision. Money in politics is the biggest problem.
Exactly. Amazing that anyone can make this into a culture war thing. This is ridiculous. The economy is crap, and Democrats serve billionaires not workers.
You really think it's just democrats who have courted corporate dollars? Get real. The whole reason Republicans want to do nutty things like get rid of the epa and other regulatory departments is because they are slaves to corporate dollars. Their entire philosophy of trickle down economics benefits corporations, not the people.
Money in politics is absolutely a problem. I'd argue a far right that does nothing but obstruct and advocates voodoo economics is far more of an issue than Obama ever was
I disagree. First, both Bill Clinton and Obama won lots of working class voters and Clinton even won lots of rural and Southern white voters- although I agree it's a different day. Liberals have burned their bridges by focusing so much on social identity issues, and a lot of the media routinely critiques both white people and men on a regular basis for almost everything. A lot of average people have disagreements with some aspects of LGBTQ, esp. the whole "what is a woman" line. They definitely shouldn't have spent 15+ yrs on these issues.
Yes yes there was no Wall Street money in politics before then. There was never any lobbying or corruption before those two. 🙄
"Centrist" my rear end. Centrist was democrats leaving the public interest behind. One of the Declaration of Independence's purpose of government formation, "promote the general welfare", which neither party is doing.
They are suffering from cognitive dissonance in real time. On one hand, there is a belief they are working for the benefit of the working class. On the other, they have a deep disdain for those same people. Identity politics and class politics not quite aligning.
So the democrats should overlook the racism, misogyny and homophobia, of the white working class to try to get them to vote for the party that has more black people, women, and gay people?
@@robertridley9279 money first, then enlightenment?
They speak about them as “others” lol
@YourChannelHere2000where I live in a "right to work" state, few in the working class even have access to union jobs.
I find that same disconnect in Greens. They say they're working for the environment but when they get a prez who actually does something about it (and a lot) they reject him. They claim they're working for the benefit of the working class but their rhetoric tells me that they work toward "whatever democrats are against" which makes them "republicans" in my view because that is the goal of republicans too.
The worker has been stepped on over and over again over 50 years plus. Every economic downturn leads to a ratcheting down of wages and benefits. Many times, the recovery doesn't match the loss.
That is a feature, not a bug.
Absolutely. How do we make change. Without compromising morals. They keep us in this DEVIDE. Morally. The economic inequality. To fight against it. One has to abandon. Moral beliefs
Finally someone used the "ratchet effect" to its true meaning. How it works is the GOP gives billionaires a massive tax cut. Then the billionaires use their influence and resources to crash the economy. Step three is for billionaires to buy up all the wreckage, which will regain its value when the economy recovers. Step four is to use the money to keep the GOP in office so they can start over again.
The recovery doesn’t match the loss. You said it!
Governments have gotten so fixated on looking good on paper that they get shocked when voters who live in these circumstances aren’t persuaded by economic propaganda. It’s like sending a man with a broken leg a well-written argument that his leg is not actually broken, he’s just been subjected to disinformation about his legs that he needs to be educated out of. Of course he’s not going to be convinced. He’s going to be angry.
Back then, growth of returns came from actual investment in research and development (make a better mouse trap), and market growth. Now, growth of the *rate* of returns has targeted mainly the labor market: pocket ever increasing % of the value created by labor, giving labor less and less.
Globalization: international elite collaborating on You can bilk our population if we can bilk your population.
In 1976 I was a Democrat. Today I consider myself an Independent. When I was growing up unions were strong and I associated the Democratic party with the working class. As an engineer in the 1980's I was thrilled to hear the Democrats talking about how tech workers were their future. What never occurred to me that they would neglect the working class in the process. What used to be a fringe extreme left has become ascendant with the support of Gen Z. As an old time Boomer Democrat the party has moved away from me to the left. The Republican party has been replaced by the Trump party. I am homeless in the Independent middle though I vote Democratic. I'm just not happy about it.
When one has to hold one's nose and vote Democrat, it is a pretty clear indication of failure to connect with a huge segment of hard working Americans.
Many of us (on both sides and In the middle) are in the same boat with you on this. Thanks to Citizens United, there will likely never be another “working class” party as long as money rules everything!
Maybe if Harris wins the 'middle' will hold politically and Liz takes back the GOP, but how to get money in the pockets of the lower economic classes will be... impossible (The U.S. should have been more generous while things were cheaper!).
Too late now i am afraid.
So you're an independent because the democrats accepted gay people and black people into the party?
I was never in the middle. I have always been a CRM Martin Luther King Jr. moral suasion Negro and will probably die one. Based on your comments, Mr. Democrat in 1976, you were never down with MLK.
Because a good number of educated people in spite of their education aren’t that intelligent.
define intelligent.
@@oldbeatpete Rational.
Some of my highly educated coworkers: "The state can't tell _me_ what to do!"
No seatbelt use. I said "Well that'll show them, when your face is full of windshield glass!"
No vaccine.
Etc.
They are just as susceptible to irrational belligerence.
As a matter of fact, Google hiring trend, only hire top of class, blew up. They were all too arrogant to collaborate.
@oldbeatpete Independent thinking. Self-employment.
You know something's wrong when the teamsters don't endorse you but Dick Cheney does.
Exactly
It basically means that trump is even more of a ghoul than Cheney was, and even Cheney realizes it.
Dick Cheney endorsing has 0 to do with policy
Teamsters and Trump have the mob in common, and that’s about all.
@LivMYlif3 yes it does. That is very naive. Cheney is a creep who likes her policy. Remember Haliburton and the Iraq war? Trump and co want to put an end to that collusion. Trump called them out in 2016 and the neockns didn't like it. Kamala is easily influenced and bought by people like Cheney.
Democratic leaders left the folks to fend for themselves without support in the 80s and 90s with manufacturing going to China while the highly-educated and company decision-makers sat back and collected their stock dividends. They made so much money and raised their own compensation so much, that they forgot about the midwest and the rust belt and all the "fly-over country" where suddenly family breadwinners had to accept minimum wage and no paid vacation or sick time. Opportunity decreased, depression and injuries of the middle-aged workers increased, that led to epidemic levels of opioid use. And here we are today with the democrats making meaningless performative gestures around identity, while people wonder what the point is, and CEOs _still_ sit back and collect their massive stock dividends as the CEO-to-worker compensation ratio constantly increases.
That is certainly the conservative view of what democrats are about. But ever since the rurals went red, have they prospered? Did the Reds make farming doable again? Or are farmers selling their land to Big Ag because the family farm got phased out by the republicans which you're blaming democrats for? You make a great show of not liking CEOs but your republican party gives them massive tax cuts every time you help get them elected.
The problem with being a party of coastal, college educated professional knowledge workers is that there are not enough of us to win elections. I am a lifelong liberal Democrat. I don't want to see the Democratic party become the party of the well-off. We desperately need white working class members. The only way to get them is to support issues they feel are important. One of those is immigration.
For the last 8 years we ignored a seriously bad situation on the border - it takes 4 years for an asylum applicant to get a hearing! - because we told ourselves the issue was just Trump scapegoating. All my Democrat friends didn't think it was important, I told them they needed to wake up. Then last February, we suddenly realized a majority of Americans want more border security, and we tried to jump on the bandwagon with a bipartisan border bill. The Republican party naturally refused to let us off the hook. Now the border is probably the biggest issue Trump has against Harris. We could have taken this issue away from Trump by acting earlier, enacting common sense reforms.
Common sense? And when a billion people show up because the equatorial regions are uninhabitable from a destabilized climate Americans caused? When relocating is literally the smartest adaptation any organism can take to survive, and we belong to a nomadic species? Give in to the nationalists on immigration, and they’ll start deporting undesirables next.
Spot on! Democrats ignored the growing situation at the border until GOP governors started busing illegal immigrants to Democrat sanctuary cities. When southern Red states were having to handle the problem on their own, Democrats were happy to ignore the problem and simply point out the cruel family separation policies that Trump put in place. With Biden in the white house , still little being done until getting close to an election year - then offered a bipartisan bill, which, of course, Republicans were not going to endorse so Trump could use immigration as a talking point.
Both political parties have become more interested in politics than problem solving. Test the wind before you say or do anything. Don't upset any of your important core constituencies. Leave the other party holding the hot potato. Leave a juicy problem unsolved while the other team is in power.
There was a bill that Republicans authored and then voted against. Make that make sense
Illegal immigration:
-our government has dropped Credible Fear screening, at the border, before allowing them to proceed.
-true asylum seekers have 1 year from arrival, to apply for asylum. The vast majority do not. The vast majority of those who do, are adjudicated to not in need of asylum.
-Reagan's precedence, "one-time" waiver for those precedence, created this train-wreck. Anyone outside the border is now deciding for themselves they are an immigrant, to the US.
-"families", exempt from any/all legal immigration law. No idea why Ds attribute this god like status, on "families".
Quasi-legal migration:
-any bachelor degreed worker, or higher, can be replaced with a visa'd foreign worker, who's employers' unverified, claim they can't find a citizen for the job _on_ _their_ _terms_ can be replaced with a foreign worker. And millions of us, have been given 3 months' notice, in which time we are to train our foreign worker replacement. Should they achieve a green card, they too are dumped for a fresh batch of visa'd employer indentured foreign worker.
You bet we're PO'ed. And I am not a Trump voter.
@@hw6271 Sean is not claiming that makes sense. He is saying Ds did their damage on this issue. The Far Left mindless support for illegal migration is just as bad as Far Right mindless support for banishing all abortion. Theoretical ego rally points, that have no factual or pragmatic sense behind them.
Thomas Frank was warning this over a decade ago and the tv networks stopped having him on.
Forewarned early 1990s, by Perot (giant sucking sound of jobs out of the country), Sir James Goldsmith (globalism will cause political, economic and cultural chaos), etc.
Imagine that!
The liberals loved his Kansas book. And then iced him when he tried to warn them.
@@adek2989 "The liberals"
Are you referring to the Trump-donating CEO at networks you have deemed "liberal?" Its the CEOs who fire the reporters whose reporting is a threat to the billionaire class. But then details always get in the way of a good conspiracy theory don't they.
Calling people with a college degree "an educated class" is a stretch, just as it is to label those who work with their hands and run small businesses as "uneducated". In today's world, things are more complex. The dividing line lies between those who rely, to some extent, on the system for their success and those who depend on their own entrepreneurial skills.
“Educated class” literally just means those who attended a post secondary institution - it is not a vocational or moral class distinction per se - also trump lost 2020
@@AllMagasGoToGitmonor does it have anything to do with IQ or any intelligence grading. Educated means just that, received an education, even if it was only two years. In those two years one mostly likely learned world history and how to distinguish an autocrat from a representative of the people. So yes, the educated class is a thing.
@AllMagasGoToGitmo As someone who read Das Kapital in my youth, I can assure you that 'educated class' is a 19th-century term referring to the meritocratic elite.
In modern society, where 40% of people under 30 have a 4-year degree of various quality, this term is meaningless. I have Ivy League graduates in my own family who know less about life than an average farmer. As a matter of fact, their ignorance and lack of emotional intelligence are astounding.
@@fibhufky the pinnacle of ignorance and lack of emotional understanding is a Trump supporter. You might dupe a farmer, but you likely won't fool a doctor.
As a community college educated will vote harris plain simple. But yes the college educated not many but some do not have empathy and view the non educated with contempt, immoral character and grammar -nazi patrols when every they feel or like. This election does feel divided. No matter who wins. I hope we can come together and have empathy for one another.
There is no working class and middle class. They are both working class. Those terms divide workers against each other, when we should unite against the rich ruling class
Office workers have been segregated from working class.
Yes, it perpetuates divide of electorate, which well serves elite interests.
I resent acceptance of "rich ruling class", as an American, purportedly living in a "democracy". Yet, here we are, with a purchased Washington.
Anyone who has to work for their income is by definition "working class".
@@jeffrey1312 Yes. And that is the middle class. By definition.
His answer to "what's wrong with listening to educated people?" (12:28) is the most important thing he said. But the educated won't listen. For one thing, the idea that their education ought to give them more patience, a greater willingness to listen, more wisdom, tact, and adroitness in their interventions never crosses their minds. They just think they know better and have a superior right to be listened to.
They need to lose a few more elections.
The fundamental issue, underlying the trainwreck the US is now operating with for policies, is that some people matter, or at the least are more important, and others don't.
The floor: Living Min Wage.
@buzoff4642 A living minimum wage is insane. It supposes that every job is somehow supposed to support the total expenses of a person (or a family). Nuts.
Some jobs are like that--they produce that much value to the employer--not all.
Such a minimum just takes jobs away from teenagers and sideworkers, who want to work but are not going to produce that magnitude of value. And it takes away the prompting to move up, out of an unskilled and low-paying job, into something more useful and therefore more remunerative.
My comment was about the felt prerogative of educated people to insist that their values in public policy ought to drive the agenda; "living minimum wage" is an example of that. It sounds pro-worker; but it hurts people at the bottom.
"But the educated won't listen."
How many educated people did you talk to before making that sweeping assumption?
@@philipmoss4027 "it takes away the prompting to move up, out of an unskilled and low-paying job, into something more useful and therefore more remunerative"
A position they won't promote you to without a college degree, which you argued are only held by arrogant non-listeners which doesn't include whoever you're giving the advice to because they already took your advice to not go to college.
@havable What are you so angry about?
I'm operating at the same level of generalization as this fellow is, in this clip. We're talking about "college educated, blue leaning, professionals": they're not hard to find, and they're very confident about their assumptions about what's a priority. (So, I don't have to go out and conduct interviews.) This is what he's criticizing here.
I'm only adding that they're not going to listen; they're too wrapped up in their own high-mindedness. If they're going to learn, they will need to be chastened.
Amen! As someone who has been deeply concerned about catastrophic climate change for close to two decades, it has always driven me mad that there has never been room in our political discourse for an honest reckoning with the immediate costs of long term solutions to working class Americans and how we are going to come together as a society to offset those costs. I am so grateful that this was the example he sited as a failure of the left to truly lead successfully on this critically important issue.
Climate change is a hoax. You are super gullible.
When it comes to ordinary working-class people like myself, Donald Trump is the best thing that has ever happened to the Democratic party. Trump IS unacceptable. Let's hope that the Democratic party doesn't get lazy (or corrupted) thinking that they only have to oppose MAGA.
You should take a look at the tax tables and reconsider whether drumpf is good for working class voters. It's pretty easy to look up
Answer...he is not
Working class people are spending thousands more each year in basic expenses because of the Biden inflation. Working class is not even close to being better off.
The better way to look at it is that business sold out rural america and took out the factories. The working class man blamed the democrats for that which is entirely wrong. Republicans/ business sold out working america.
@@hw6271 Clocksurfer wasn't endorsing Trump. Clocksurfer is saying the democrat party needs to be a whole heck of a lot more, than just notTrump.
@@hw6271 Tax tables are irrelevant when you lose your job.
Both parties became champions of "neoliberalism" starting in the 1970s. That is where the "both sides are the same" criticism became solidified. Today, MAGA is hoping there is enough of that feeling left to hide their fascism until they can take control. The goal is a permanent "ruling party" and a permanent "opposition party" like Russia or Hungary.
This is exactly it! Fascism requires unequivalent comparison to gain appeal.
I expect an 'enabling act' in the late Spring.
Remember the result the last time that happened. We Bohemians will never forget.
Let’s have one national primary day for all the states, and use the popular vote to pick the nominees. And incumbency does not guarantee the nomination. The sham debacle of the primaries this year is what got us these two flawed, divisive candidates. The two parties completely manipulated and ruined the primaries.
@@sharonharmon5656 That is exactly what we need: take the districting and voting laws out of the hands of the parties. A clear conflict of interests.
@sharonharmon5656 any and every political candidate is flawed. I am personally not a fan of either candidate but Kamala is not a divisive candidate by any means compared to many other presidential candidates in recent history. Trump is by far the most divisive politician ever.🤷
Here's the thing that's so frustrating about your guest's premise...
All these "failures" on the left pale in comparison to the utter lack of any effort on the Right to help the working class. Trump makes a new promise everyday, but he'll fulfill none of them.
The GOP is still selling trickle down economics, which has failed for over 40 years.
Like he promised to save Coal but during his time, there were many many closures of coal plants.
Well put!
The guy who makes promises but doesn't fulfil them is better than the woman who didn't come to visit at all.
A lot of this is on Hillary. A lot of this is because of what happened in 2016.
The Dems are selling trickle down economics too, that's the problem...the working class voters know they have been betrayed and hate them for it.
True, but when the Dems have been in power, they have not reversed "trickle-down."
Slam dunk. I live in California and am a blue collar union electrician. My power bill easily tops 700 bucks a month.
Additionally, I am completely aware that I have a lesser standard of living compared with my parents generation. My children will have less than I have.
Both Republicans and Democrats have forsaken us
Wow! Wow, wow, wow!
5 years ago, my power bill was $75 a month, family and coworkers' were $125 a month.
Now my power bill's $125 a month.
Are you running electric heat?
And you are union electrician! The elite want all the nice places to themselves, with ghettos for their household servants. Think Maui.
@@buzoff4642 California has a whole bunch of fees added on. 1/ third third of the entire bill in California is fees associated with government programs. Additionally, PG&E has been sued and lost in court for causing a wildfire that killed people and now they’re under pressure to bury their powerlines in the mountains so those fees have been tacked on as well.
California also makes us pay for carbon credits to help cartel global warming
This guy makes sense. I am looking forward to reading this book.
I think this gentleman fails to account for the fact that the Internet, information technology, and the democratization of media has totally transformed the political landscape. So many of these guys are living in the past people no longer identify in these silly little political labels they don’t. It’s getting much more extreme.
"people no longer identify in these silly little political labels"
In other words, The Left Has Split Itself, and you think that's a good thing. But it doesn't matter now because there will never be another election. Get used to chains because soon all of us will wear them, even if we aren't the "enemies" the republican party ran against. They didn't run against veterans, for example, but they have a plan to make most of us homeless in that Project 2025.
NAFTA and the hollowing out of the Midwest. That’s my guess. Now listening to the podcast..
yes, and the fact that the economic floor was removed from beneath everyone's feet by NAFTA and the pivot to lightly-regulated free trade. This is based on considering American residents as consumers above all else, and diminishing their status as citizens. The statistics that people both are economically 'fragile' or 'vulnerable', and the self-perception of that vulnerability means the economy isn't working for the majority -- by design. Again, by design choices are made over and over to increase economic vulnerability for the majority. Is it any wonder that the Biden team 'bungled the messaging' around the recovery? Even Harris at this stage will talk about the strength of the economy -- but the economy sucks for very many people. Good grief. Culture issues my eye....
And Reagan policies that destroyed the unions & good paying middle class jobs
Not saying nafta was good at all but have you heard of this thing called trickle down economics? You should look into it. The Republicans have been pushing that lie since Reagan and it's been far more damaging to the middle class than anything. Nevermind needless obstruction.
@@emdragowsky2967 NAFTA was trial run for globalism. No coincidence, unemployed was redefined at that time, to hide the damage. Previously, unemployed was anyone who wanted a job but didn't have one. Then redefined to only count those who've actively searched for a job in the past month.
The metrics used for good/bad economy has been divorced from the state of the population. A company doing better used to mean so did their workers. But a company with their offshored work means they're more profitable (buy low elsewhere, sell high in the most expensive market, the US), and not their employees.
A net loss for the citizenry, a vast swing of net gain, to anyone selling in the US.
It's not "free market". I can't go open a pharmacy in Germany, selling drugs I imported from [who cares where]. Globalism also shunts the bill to the citizenry. US citizens pay for multinationals' failed efforts (bailouts), both foreign and domestic businesses, and we're billed for their high risk layout - military escort of cargo on the high seas. Roll in the tax free bilking, and,,,
Is it any wonder the public's PO'ed.
@@emdragowsky2967i remember when good ol Bill said that NAFTA meant that the middle class 'will be able to get cheaper goods at Target'.
What happens when public opinion is divorced from reality?
It IS the divorce from reality that DRIVES public opinion. Hence, our crazy times.
What happens when YOUR opinion is divorced from reality?
@@chrismarte8259 Apparently when the good [for investors] economy isn't the good for the public, the disparity is "opinion"?
@buzoff4642 an economy that is good for investors is an economy that is good for the public, most people work for businesses not the government
Blame post modernism.
The guest never actually said what’s wrong with the party. He just asserted that conventional assumptions are wrong then when on to give a history that never addressed the question
Yes, he did. Ds' diverted focus on appealing to the college educated suburban.
Not that I agree with that as their primary struggle.
That's because he wants dems to blame ourselves for what Mossad did to us in getting our youth to blame America and our president for the genocide Israel is committing.
@@buzoff4642 "Ds' diverted focus on appealing to the college educated suburban"
If that was true, they'd have listened to the protestors about Gaza, or at least explained to them that they can't do jack crap without congress on that. You're trying to have it both ways.
@@havable Suburban. Students aren't suburban.
Selective cherry picking words from a statement.
As for "can't do jack", true, but much of that is dependent on use of bully pulpit. Else LBJ wouldn't have been so successful at his initiatives.
He said what’s wrong is that the party has alienated working class voters that formed a foundation of the party at all high points in its history. He said offering order on the border is a great way to rebuild that relationship with working class voters.
I'd sure like to see a group discussion with this guy and Chris Hedges who has been writing and talking on this topic for decades now, but for some reason you don't see "leftist" media outlets interviewing him, despite his legacy at the "liberal" NYT.
“Turning public opinion into public policy”, now!
The pandemic fallout like inflation has nothing to do with democrats. We had the same inflation in Canada and the EU. Other than that, I like your analysis.
When political conversations arise, I turn into Socrates.
- What country in the world has had less inflation?
- What proposals does Trump have to make housing affordable?
- What would best address this homelessness epidemic?
Usually three questions and the person gets angry, which demonstrates that they haven't thought things through.
@@northernbohemianrealistA former Prime Minister of Australia, after he had selected his cabinet, required everyone to work their first day assisting homeless people.
Half the inflation in the US, UK and Australia in this period was corporate price gouging which governments like the Dems could have reined in through price controls, windfall taxes etc. They didn't and the result is angry electorate refusing to vote for them.
@@greenscene5215 yes and why didn't Biden educate Americans each month as the stats came in?
@greenscene5215 Unfortunately parties in these countries are afraid of price controls of any type. Their opposition will say it's socialism, even though at least rent control has been common over time. There would have to be a paradigm shift and some political courage to get there.
Why don't Democratic Presidents (not their bureaucrats) talk directly to the public when times are tough? A weekly chat would give the media content to discuss and the electorate information that might help them understand and feel more confident. Can we copy Trump on this one? He never stops talking and people respond to that.
I enjoy watching fellows like Mr. Shenk professing absolute certainty that government holds the solution to all that ails us.
Government can certainly stop manufacturing problems.
30 years of coddling industry interests is enough already.
Needs to look at foreign policy to see the whole picture. The money going into wars needed to be invested in social policies for the working class.
What you call wars is called investments in defense. There’s enough in our budget for both. That talking point is not very sophisticated.
@@TheHighlanderprime but the defense budget still only benefits the Ivy Laeaguers who work and invest in those defense companies
Yep. War monger Dick Cheney endorsing Kamala tells you that the dems are now the party of war
@@sb31268 - When is the last time you did a nuclear drill? Where’s your gas mask? How often do you see rockets intercepted overhead? I think the defense budget is doing a little more than you think it is.
Wars no longer the only means of gifting money to industry. Billions in tax monies handed over, for bailouts, to reshore failed offshore of the "multinational" ventures, etc.
Great timing! We're just three days away from an election that’s essentially a choice between democracy and authoritarianism. The Democratic candidate is focused on rebuilding the middle class, yet you choose this moment to debate past shortcomings in Democratic support for the working class...
Their shortcomings aren't past. For 30 years, min tipped wage is at $2.13 an hour, and still is. Regardless of who's in control of white house and congress.
@@buzoff4642 Your response is exactly why I believe this video will lead people to vote against their own interests: "Ending the sub-minimum wage for tipped workers" is LITERALLY part of Kamala’s agenda. (on her website, Chapter 10, 3rd paragraph.)
@@lapetiteallemande1 In other words, buried.
There should be a solid floor, rather than the current magiscope of wage lows.
Living Min Wage, not selective floor for migrants, teens, etc.
Living Min Wage.
@@buzoff4642 Please don’t be discouraged - take a look at her plan. Yes, there are numerous measures she wants to implement, but they all serve ONE clear goal: strengthening the middle class. (Other than Trump...)
This video isn’t going to move anyone who wasn’t already decided.
Education certainly did NOT improve post 1964.
Doug Schoen. Librul of Libruls.
Per Wikipedia: "Fox News hired Schoen as a political analyst in 2009 and Newsmax hired Schoen as a columnist. In 2010, he authored a book on the Tea Party movement with Scott Rasmussen. He has been writing a regular column for Forbes magazine beginning in July 2016 with a column 'Donald Trump Through The Years'.
"Newsmax TV announced that Schoen would be leaving Fox News and on January 19, 2021, Schoen joined Newsmax TV as an Analyst."
Doesn't sound very "librul."
he was a traitor for da $!
I can wish that Democrats would learn how to talk to people from where I grew up, Mississippi and Louisiana, without insulting and provoking outrage. I do not think this means Dem's have to agree with everything these people believe but I can assure that today they are beyond feeling like they have not been listened to, they feel insulted and ridiculed by the left. Granted the outrage media has taken this and amplified this to a power of 100 but somehow this is a bridge that must be crossed for America to re-unite. I am a life long registered Democrat and labor supporter. Frankly I believe that people in the south were not listened to and were insulted and ridiculed by the left. America can not heal without recognition of this problem and action to improve. IMO the left has been just as bad as the right at being unwilling to listen to people with whom they disagree. That is poison no matter who does it. And I have been guilty of this myself. I am not proud of that.
The reason Trump resonates with Americans, he speaks like a 5th grader.
That sounds like a 'you' problem. I'm 61 and lived in the south my entire life and not once did I ever feel "insulted" or "ridiculed" by democratic politicians. Then again I look around me and face reality, we have many major problems here but they are not because a politician (seemingly was mean to me) it's because of outdated nonsense that keeps people on their knees and easily manipulated.
There are ALOT of ignorant people here, not ignorant per education but basic common sense and critical thinking skills. Until that is admitted and faced we are doomed. They will believe practically any conspiracy theory while ignoring facts and evidence, in fact they double down on gossip and rumors when faced with overwhelming evidence. You cannot reason with unreasonable people, until they are accountable and wake up from whatever manipulated fever dream they have decided to adopt, nothing changes, but it must start with them, accountability.
If you want to know what it feels like to not be listened to, become a left winger. 😢
yes, the society of profit- takers will NEVER listen to the left. And astonishing how you keep hearing how Obama & company supposedly 'talk down' to conservatives- are they jealous and fearful of education?
@@dbarker7794 The majority of Americans are democrat, this will increase as education levels in the US rise. Since the US is not a democracy, the GDP keeps getting elected. Al Gore, Clinton both got the most votes.
Abandoning the middle class should be a book
This doesn’t make sense to me； just on the tax policy, how can the author says democrats walks away from the working class?
"tax credit" is disowning Non-Living Wage. It rolls the bill for the shortfall, onto the national tax payers' tab. Elite, business, in effect, are on "welfare" - shunting actual business expense, labor, onto the public. Ex: Amazon warehouse workers get $.25 in public welfare assistance for every $1 of wage.
Its a republican talking point that their allies in the Green party like to repeat a lot even though everyone knows its pure rubbish.
The challenge for the Democratic Party is its attempt to appeal to every group in society to maximize voter support, even when some groups’ agendas may conflict with American values or interests. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) could benefit from clearly defining its core values and mission, adopting a more realistic approach, and distancing themselves in support for politicians, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders, whose positions lean further left than the party’s broader base. Additionally, if the party truly wants to represent the people, it should reduce its reliance on corporate funding, which currently exceeds that of the Republican Party by a significant margin.
That might work today. It didn't work in the 1970s or 1980s. Jesse Jackson was the AOC and Bernie Sanders of the 1980s. But too many white liberals couldn't stand him. My white liberal allies (in Little Rock, AR, no less - do you know how rare it is to have white allies in the South?) understood that Jackson would reverse Reaganism. He was the candidate who embodied what Rustin had in mind in "From Protest to Politics." He would have helped black America; the working class, black and non-black; and saved the mostly white middle class.
A total fabrication on your part.
Deep dive into lobbyist monies: 60% goes to whoever's in power, 40% to whoever isn't. Which is lose/lose for the public, as the parties vie for the monies.
The public gets esoteric sound bites interpreted into whatever suits the listener, and at best "tax credits" to fold the non-living wage bills back onto the public, those who are paying the tax bills needed to run the country.
He makes some great points, including that the party that most over-reaches, or does the poorest job of staying grounded, tends to be the more vulnerable in the next election cycle. Intellectuals do often get hyper-focused on (for instance) national policy concerns to the detriment of those that are regional or local; or on a Goals focus but not a pragmatic how to get from here to there focus (and the first qithout the second can prove very disappointing).
Professor needs more research. Culture wars on both sides disruptive and unproductive, exhausting general public.
True, but he's only discussing how the Ds lost it. And they did indeed lose it.
Reading John Ganz "When the Clock Broke". He devotes a fair amount of ink to David Duke (former Grand Wizard of the KKK), in his political aspirations. The same racist, radical voters who loved David Duke were still there after he faded, and primed and cocked for Donald Trump. They have always been here (I live among them). Former Louisianna governor Edwards warned that another Duke pol would arise, and find his audience waiting for him. And it only took 30 years.
And i hate that mainstream media won't state this obvious fact every day.
Politics is really difficult. The assumption that if the Democrats had only done something different they would be winning elections with no difficulty flies in the face of the reality of how difficult it is to hold together a coalition that is broad enough to win. In 2016, Bernie had the positions that were broadly pro working class. He made an impressive showing in the primaries, but there were enough segments of the coalition that he didn't win. There are accusations that the party leadership put their thumbs on their scale, and to an extent, they did, but if those positions were popular across the coalition, he would have been the nominee in spite of the interference.
I don't have an answer, and I wish I did, but to say that the Democrats made a wrong turn at this or that point, without considering what was going on when the decisions were made is to indulge in wishful thinking. Still, I wish that Biden had been a better communicator.
Inaccurate.
Huge voter affiliation, Independents, who're not allowed to vote in primaries, in many states. _That_ is the thumb on the scale.
Don’t put your thumb on the scale. You just accepted this as ok. That is the problem
It has been a long time now, but 'Obama's Last Stand' is this weekend! President, Senate, House - Republicans run the table and a referendum on democratic lawfare and media mind control.
Revenge against a black president and black vp
From the start, this piece poses a distinction and dichotomy between working class voters and "educated voters". Who says working class people can't be educated? Who says educated people cant be working class? The uncritical assumption that these are two mutually exclusive groups is part of the problem...
Hear, hear!
He is using labelling as shorthand for a bunch of different kinds of people who roughly group into two types; lower income/manual/trades workers vs higher income/ professional /higher educated/social liberals...
I think it's probably likely that while what you're saying is true, on the whole people fall into those categories.
He means 'the professional class' (computers & books) and the 'working class' guys & gals at non-educated jobs...
@@honuman39 unless you are black and refused to stand in the same line as Clarence Thomas. We were Jim Crow'ed and most of white America, including liberal white America, totally ignored it. And still do.
He's right oo a lot of things but what he calls tone deafness was also self defense for people not seeing the long term picture
I’m sorry but all republicans are doing is saying they are for the working class. None of their policies actually help the working class.
Yes, exactly. Republicans say they are for the working class and yet look at who is there at the top. Offering this up as a dichotomy at this moment in history is sane washing.
Optics matter
Weigh in on the damage from democrats. Millions replaced at work, with illegal and quasi-legal foreign workers.
A "tax credit" from wage demise only rolls the assist onto public debt/the public's tax bill.
@buzoff4642 what??? 🤯 I can tell you are not a critically thinking democrats. Republicans are only able to “win” over the uneducated, working poor because they are easier to brainwash and lie to, unfortunately!
Republicans have long promoted the offshoring and outsourcing of American jobs. Republicans have supported bills resulting in factory closures and always vote against investment in infrastructure. How is that good for American workers? Meanwhile the Democrats are building semiconductor factories, which employ American workers. @@buzoff4642
The greatest democracy in the world ignores the popular vote and has only two parties that have a real chance to win😂😂😂
To be fair the electoral college was created to prevent tyranny of majority or minority. Plus the only reason Trump didn't get the popular vote was because of the Libertarian that 3% which is high for its standard. As for the two parties, I agree they should have more viable options. But even Washington was against parties and was an independent
USA is a constitutional republic, not a democracy!
@@marios5764
The greatest democracy in the world has spent millions in tax dollar money attempting to jail the opponent of the current leader. Talk about fascism
@@riumudamc4686 if you're talking about trump, he was duly convicted in state court and is running for president because he's running away from the prison cell he belongs in.
I give a damn about this book and all the other know better authors! Don’t give them airtime to talk about their books!
Congratulations for admitting you either can't or don't read. Usually people who aren't smart are ashamed, not proud.
Finally! This.....this is wisdom. Many thanks!
That was a clear, unbiased analysis. Congrats
This is the only common sense and reasonable academic who understands the homework. America wants Common Sense.
I wish the democrats had listened to this man.😢
IMO The only thing wrong with the Democrat party is that it is not progressive enough on climate change and tax policy, otherwise, they come closest to my values and hopes for our country. Our leadership needs to make the hard decisions necessary to preserve our liberal democracy including our social safety net.
Open borders, totally unrealistic, and damaging. This is one hard decision they will not address.
Yes! I feel this generationally too. We need to seriously listen more to adults under 40.
Reducing taxes and the size of government topic never came up. A lot of the citizens can't think for themselves. Group thinking will always be around
How is it that even in the context of a conversation about Democratic course corrections there remains an enormous blind spot in the omission of capitalism as the key contributor to so many issues?! It's not enough to point at the cost of consumer goods or the supply of housing when these are in themselves mere symptoms of that problem.
Professional and academic Democrats need to recognize and acknowledge that *they are complicit* in these issues by their apparent presumption that capitalism works - it doesn't! - and that is the one and only "labour" issue to examine.
The world (and especially its climate concerns) cannot afford to be perceived any longer as a game of Monopoly in which life itself is mortgaged.
Regulated capitalism does work. Unfortunately that’s not what we have anymore.
Economics and economists more specifically, do violence by ‘internalizing’ what is needed, and ‘externalizing’ what is unwanted. Modernity more broadly, objectifies, and abstracts the world into prices, making it all utilitarian and instrumental. Looking at reality: social bonds and communities, organisms and ecologies, materials and energy flows, brings a lot of clarity. But to challenge capitalism, requires the articulation of a post-capitalism. And when the alternative is national market fascism, it is time.
@@clayfoster8234 And that's why capitalism itself is not a viable economic model: by design its regulation is insufficient to protect those it exploits. Capitalism is nothing more than a barbaric mercenary sport.
Get a life. No one believes that shit anymore. Communism has nothing to show but failure. At least capitalism can keep the lights on.
Always good advice, be more than just the party of "anti whatever the other guy stands for".
It's not only people without a college education that feel left behind. Many from working or middle-class backgrounds bought the education rhetoric and ended up in insurmountable debt.
Why are entrepreneurs and business owners never mentioned as a voting segment. There’s 30 million of us in the United States.
And I would contend that an overwhelmingly, high percentage are fiscally very conservative.
We talk about them all the time. They're the people who buy the politicians. "Wall St", "the 1%", "lobbyists", [not necessarily-]Citizens United, Chamber[pot] of commerce, etc.etc.
They didn't lose their way. The fire hose of propaganda from the haters is tremendous. Say working class when you mean low information and less educated.
Bull. There is no rational justification for open borders.
My dad said, in the 90s, clinton allowed the educated class to fold into the party
In the 90s, Clinton joined the republican party and branded this as "centrist". Then they together signed off on offshoring blue collar work, aka NAFTA. And redefined unemployed as only those who've looked for a job in the past month, eliminating long term unemployed from the count.
Min tipped wage, $2.13 an hour, has not budged since then - over 30 years.
Clinton.
My brother lost four jobs during that administration. On Friday afternoons, FOUR TIMES, the boss came in and told the guys to unbolt the equipment and remove the safety tools because the plant was shut and all machinery was being shipped to China.
yes, C. betrayed America.
Yes. Major damage from Clinton's "centrist" alignment to the monies of elite.
Within a single year, 1997-1998, I watched my entire department replaced with visa'd foreign workers. NorthWest coast, and NYC tech workers say they were being wiped out, early 1990s.
Chuck Schumer ? "For every one we loose in the rust belt, we will gain in the upper middle class suburbs. " ( May not be correct but something like that was said out loud. )
Close enough. Schumer's strategy -- besides serving Israel first -- has been to forget lower-income workers and progressives and cater to the suburbanite types who live on Long Island. Oh, and serve Israel first!
It's the false belief of the Corporate Dems that 'highly educated people will vote Democratic'.
The DEMOCRATIC party lost it's way?! WTF!
Yes. Kicked off with bipartisan NAFTA, and has been rolling seriously downhill ever since. Democrat party "centrism" has moved the party to chasing the lobbyist monies.
This debate focuses too much on voting. Americans are locked into a duopoly that often acts like one party with two wings. Many of these shifts in voting is because the management of American empire is failing.
(blame the 1990s Gingrich GOP that decided to stop the policy of compromising).
Thanks to Citizens United! That was the goal and it prevailed.
If voting didn't matter the Republicans wouldn't be trying to suppress black votes.
Lots of B. S..here
As a 30year retired union member of the Laborers union- President Biden turn thus crap around. Hello??? Where the hell has this author been???
I was very skeptical about Joe Biden, but he has been a grand and wise executive who leaves behind a substantial policy legacy.
People celebrating the Cheney endorsement was amazing and the final straw for many people.
Nobody wants to be on the losing side. Sounds like some people are hedging their bets
The swing on illegal immigration originates in the bussing of illegal migrants into NYC and Boston.
Ds' well off are just as freewheeling on expenses as the Rs: so long as someone else is footing the bill.
He doesn’t think wanting order at the border is insane. Aw, how generous of him.
You have to look at the policies that the parties propose, not what they campaign on.
A little deeper, you have to watch what your representative votes. And in doing so, discovering they're not voting "promote the general welfare", as stated in the declaration of independence.
Great interview
This analysis is incomplete without a discussion about race. Working class nonwhite voters overwhelmingly vote democrat.
And working class white voters overwhelmingly hate black people and white people who don't hate black people.
College-educated black voters do as well. There are definitely more college-educated black Americans who live among the black working class than their white counterparts. I've learned to stay out of white-folk business since white folks really don't want to listen to black folks.
@@andreabrown4541 the guest in this is the type of white democratic consultant that Roland Martin is always talking about, because it never occurs to them that if democrats would lean into issues like police reform and reparations, they would consolidate the black vote and not need to compromise their values to get the white vote.
This isn't all encompassing analysis.
@@robertridley9279 I'd respond, but it appears that the moderators have removed my original comment.
What about the role of disinformation and lies by republicans ?
I am seeing a whole bunch of historical revisionism in this comment section. Hopefully, some brave person will write the definitive book that will cause the downfall of these myths just like that lost cause myth.
... its all cultural. All politics is tribal. The norms & values a group holds.
I tried to find examples of Trump doing retail politics and only found the McD closed event. Harris does retail events at every stop. Why does Trump not take the time to talk to us? Trump is not talking WITH us, he is talking AT us. Maybe it’s a king and peons thing?
He's the voicebox of "I'm justifiably PO'ed!"
Ironically, "good economy!" is an affront to those suffering, unless it comes out of his mouth when he's in office. Hinged on false hopes.
She don’t do it every stop to my knowledge the best way to put the average democrat not to be rude. Is your party needs to accept being defeated by the other, you guys really need to work on being humble and dealing with the Americans people’s problems. Don’t go crawling to the elites and hope for a boost in the election either. Honestly currently I don’t see Harris fit to run as our president, she can’t even speak to non the mention, was mocking Christian’s. Does not like Christmas and many others. Trump talks to the American people offering them the American dream, what do the democrats offer they just want everything to be handed to them right then and now without any hard work. Next time please research carefully compare the two then you can state your opinion. Just saying Harris does events is one but I don’t think those events are dealing with the average American problem. Since Biden left office the inflation, personally I’m blaming democrats on this as an independent. Also I see that there is a multiple ways. The democrat party has lost its way. The best way to put it is, republicans are the American people the dream to be free, democrats are the social elites that promise things but lie about it. I feel bad for older/young who vote democrat as currently Harris has no plan on how she is fixing inflation and has lied to you.
You see yourselves as educated, but no one else does.
Question: He mentioned "working from public opinion to public policy." How can we reshape campaigns to be more educative instead of manipulating voters with superficial slogans and images? Each electiral cycle is worse at this. One key figure is Pete B. He actually tries to educate listeners.
Take the voting processes and districting out of the hands of the parties.
They've shaped both, to serve the parties.
A timely pre-post-mortem.
Hidden History Museum Historic
Trump should be punished. Voting for him is insane.
What? How the Democratic Party lost its way? What about the GOP in comparison? So just days before the election you’re going to cast doubt on Democrats? Set your opinion priorities in light of how it may affect our nation at this moment. If we’ve “lost our way” tell us AFTER the election.
He wasn't saying vote for Republicans. He was saying "this is why Democrats have lost certain voters and how to get them back."
@@dbarker7794 instead of trying to get out more of the voters who are already inclined to vote Democrat he is suggesting to throw groups loyal to the Democratic party under the bus to get the votes of people who hate those voting blocs already loyal to the Democrats.
They've had people on PBS, Firing Line in particular, re: GOP going awry.
Enough with the "don't pick on my precious".
@@robertridley9279 Far Left arrogance has damaged the party.
@@buzoff4642 there is no "far left" in the democratic party, only center-right and center-left.
Did anyone say anything about “outsourcing”?
Did anyone say anything about 10 million H1B work visas?
Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank discusses all this. It was published in 2015.
It sounds like this new book is just a continuation of Frank’s book.
Nicely placed promo for your book.
Why does this guy keep making some kind of weird distinction between "college educated" and "working class"? Working Class = works for a living e.g. collects a paycheck. I have a college degree (two, actually), and I work for a living. I am part of the working class. This guy, a college professor, whether he admits it or not, is part of the working class. Most people work for a living, as opposed to making money from money (capital investments). Whether you're a teacher, bus driver, trade worker, or computer programmer, you're working for a paycheck and if the paychecks stop comming you lose your income. If you're a business owner, and you cut yourself a paycheck like everyone else, you're working class.
It’s code. Code for educated and white collar vs. blue collar and less educated. 🤬
"Carpet people" as my ex used to call them, are seen as privileged. When actually, tech staff are psychologically flogged and sweated as much as "working class" blue collar. And the keyword you're using is "class". US is a class society, while capitalism likes to claim, in the US, we don't have classes. It's deflection, because we have no valid excuse for billionaires.
Business owners a) often shunt their income to "dividends", a far lower tax rate on the unearned income, than earned income tax rates.
Do we define 'working class' from the 'professional class' at, say, $50 or $75,000 in 2024 dollars?
Or higher, or lower?
@@oldbeatpete It's not a money marker. Working class has traditionally meant physical labor, working class made their income via selling of physical labor. Also called blue collar. They are in effect a micro business.
Oh.. this is terrible, how could this even happen. Harris loses the electoral collage, the popular vote, the senate, the house and DT get to pick judges for another 4 years. How could this happen
Et tu PBS?? Is this headline and discussion really necessary 6 days before a presidential election?
What's your beef? Republicans have also been aired, says the same, "What have we done?!?"
The Far Left and Far Right have dragged the nation into the gutter.
Of the two, theRepublicans are completly lost because of MAGA and Trump.😢
Indeed. This planet is cold and dark; Republicans are living in the la la fantasy land, no concern for our future environment. Living in the sea of lies is just fine and dandy, roaring applaud, sending him money.......
Of the two, the democrats are completely lost because of illegal immigration.
The public's left high and dry.
"lost" and they may win!😮
The party of great winners like Mike Dukakis and Walter Mondale. 😇
Potatoe. I am not a crook. Felon For President. No "smoking gun" WMDs. Trickle down.
It's the congress.
the opposite of progress!
Entrenched adversaries, in bitter competition for lobbyist monies.
A lot of MAGA would vote for Bernie Sanders rathet than Donald Trump.
The Clintons courted the one-percenters in the 1990s. Having Hillary run in 2016 was disastrous. The correction is delivering left-leaning ideas that MAGA can't attack as socialism.
Sanders is still an independent. And too many MAGAs think he's a communist. So they can't be persuaded that he is on their side.
But burnie and left should be hardcore against immigration and that is the only way
They wouldn’t. Do you not understand? Bernie’s plans would help minorities too. MAGA votes against their own interests when their interest also help melanated people. It’s been that way since 1964.
The Dems always nominated the wrong person- Reagan spooked them because he revealed what racist oppressive white people Americans are, the lowest MAGA denominator.
@@Geewasright thank you for being the voice of reason.
Our unions need to get together and form a union political party. We could call it the Labor Party. It needs to start from the bottom.
It all starts with Robert Rubin.
Thank you
lol he just said he doesn’t want order at the border.
If Cenk Ughar married Timothy Shenk would be be Cenk Shenk?
And more to the point-- would Ana K have a place in the wedding party after her turn to the right?
@nsbd90now That's not more to my point, dip! Make your own jokes!
@@JumpingJesus4 But... but... I have no sense of humor! Argh!
@nsbd90now But I have to admit your taking it like a champ! I'm impressed! It's not easy to get before the world and confess to everyone you don't have a shred of humor in your whole body! In fact, maybe I was wrong about you! Cuz u know, it takes a real sense of humor to admit you don't have a sense of humor! And you really don't have any sense of humor so therefore you must have a really keen and biting sense of humor! LOL!
@@JumpingJesus4 Jumpin' Jesus you're metaphysical!
Calling folks garbage and deplorable might give you a hint
... but what can you say- when they are?!😮
@@oldbeatpete It’s the dems who have that issue of disrespect toward half or more of the voters. Exactly where does that get them?
We need to identify all credible concerns of all the electorate!
10:45 yeah
"don't want draconian measures but want order at the border and it's not an insane position though it's not mine"....what an odd statement. so he doesn't want order at the border?
I think the split between college educated and working class is false. The people I know with college degrees are working.