A good or a bad change? I don't know... I just don't really see why Enjoy the bonking today friends :) I have one more video from last patch, then everything will be this patch!
I think it could have stayed as its armor isn't really reliable. But that could also be said about 6.3 IS-2's armor so it doesn't really matter. The gun still packs a punch. And I use it with the 6.3 ones anyway so it doesn't really change anything for me.
I think it's a terrible thing to uptier. I don't even play Russia but I regularly face IS-2's and I will say, I'd generally rather deal with an IS-2 than a panther A. IS-2 is trolly but it's shell is so huge that volumetric likes to mess with it. So when it messes up the shot they're basically not a threat anymore since you can very easily shoot out their barrel or just kill em outright. This thing has a good gun, but that is everything it has. Everything else is either mediocre or average or outright bad.
@@Gary_The_Metro Also IS series tanks cannot angle due to the rounded section on the hull for it's turret ring. Then there's the Low front plate. Or just do some Track and barrel torture. Cause massive ass muzzle break.
The IS-2 Revenge was my first premium tank and probably my favorite tank I've ever owned other than the 906, all of the IS tanks will have a special place in my heart because they're all so amazingly fun
Same. Not my first premium, but the one I have some of the best memories with. I used it to grind almost the entire Soviet tree at the time and it's just pure joy to donk people with the 122mm. Great time when it was a lot of IS-2's vs Tiger II's trying to snipe each others turret cheeks at range.
Balancing vehicles purely by player stats is so fucking brain dead, especially when even a .3 BR increase can completely destroy a vehicle as it faces a whole new range of tanks and it changes the ratio of uptiers.
I miss IS-2 at 5.7, I have no idea why they had to move it up. One of the few tanks that can deal with German cats without aiming at weakspots, but its balanced cause of the reload. Armor also isn´t the best, Panther or Tiger I can go through almost anywhere, not even talking about Tiger II
@@maxmachac9756 how is it op?, it has a 20+ sec reload and decent armor, basically the only tank that can pen the panther ufp at its br without apds, i love it but id take my panther a every day of the week
@@teamfall4684 The armour is very good. Not decent. Even the German guns have to aim for weak spots and even then, the weakspots can be trolly as hell. But yeah, I do agree it was fine (very strong but not op) at 5.7. I think they should either put it back down, or buff the reload.
@@maxmachac9756 the gun is okay, if 122mm with 20s+ reload can be OP, then german 75 and long 88 also OP considering they have similar pen with half the reload rate. Armor is trolly but not reliable, UFP cannot be angle yet the LFP is a big weakspot. And with only -3 depression it cannot go hull down. I once love the IS-2 buy after coming back and got killed because german volumetric sideskirt eat my shell, i just forget about playing it
@@robertharris6092 It's worse right now, even a Panzer IV Ausf. G doesn't have much problems penetrating your armor. The IS-2 has worse armor than the KV-1 (ZiS-5) at the moment. Maybe it's realistic, since the IS-2 in real life was destroyed many times by StuG's... But in War Thunder using the IS-2 at 6.0 is annoying after the nerfs.
Please can you revisit the T32? Hasnt changed much but lately most games i get in it are downteirs and it has a good lineup with the m48, m46, t95 and the f84 and f80 for air support.
I mean, it didnt die though. the IS2 wasnt the only good thing in the 5.7 lineup, Still have the IS1, T3485, BTR-ZD, PT-76 and ISU-122S, all great in their own right, and thats not even taking into account any of the excellent premiums, KV-220, KV-122 (basically the IS2), T-V Panther, T-34-85E, M4A2, and SU-122P (of which i have all... not exactly PROUD to admit it, but still, great SL earners). The 5.7 lineup is very much alive and well even without the IS2.
BS... the german 5.7 is the strongest in the game... why would we cry lol. Likely other nations had trouble dealing with it. I have a feeling gaijin doesn't take crying into account when balancing. So it was likely over performing (stats wise). It's a fault with gaijins balancing strategy.
@Rosie I'm sure the soviet players are best of the best... without the help of preangled stalinium or vodka coated shells that have magical angle performance, the soviet player base would crumble.
It still blows my mind this thing sits at a higher BR than Tiger E,just because what?More pen?It doesn't really matter if your gun is more powerful when you have all the disadvantages in other aspects.
Meanwhile the Jumbo 76 is still a 6.3…. Same armor as the first jumbo but with the 3.3br M10 gun! Wow that’s pretty much the same thing as a Tiger 2 P and IS2 thanks Gajin that really helps the US line😑
I think this isn't confusing at all, the ultimate objective for gaijin is to make profit. And germany is being asserted as the domiant tech tree at lower-mid teer, they are making sure all other tech tree's vehicle need to have some asspect weaker or if they some sort of matching aspect they need to pay off huge prices for it in other ones, like fire power and armor. By doing this gaijin could quickly attrach large numbers of new players, and after they get to the mid-higher teers they start to loss that advantage, almost forcing them to buy some kind of prenium. This theme is proofed by 9.7 soviet tech tree, if Gaijin really loves any nation more than other it would vehicles with the Russian flag not the soviet ones and the Swedish and finish vehicle( not sure why)
dont know anything else then playing it at 6 and 6.3 both do very well in my 6.7 lineup, even when pitted against a tier higher. Both still balanced altough the is2 1944 does beat it obviously.
I’m a German main and would prefer a Tiger E and Panther A which are 5.7 over IS-2 any day lol reload speed and 4 crew members are dealbreakers for me.
Unless I have a 100mm 107mm or a 122mm Im not playing 5.7 its not worth it when you have to aim really good or flank to kill. Were as the enemy doesnt have to aim or flank to destroy you.
@@kaboom6236 He's not wrong though, Russia Mains aren't as braindead as Germany Mains but they're up there lmao. If you stick the average Russia main into a tank that doesn't play itself, they just die. It would make playing Russia pretty frustrating if most of the tanks weren't so good lol.
@@bluebox87059 well I mean as someone who played both Russia high tier and Germany mid tier I can assure you that teams are way worse on the German side on the technical side of things. The problem with Russia is just that people don’t use backups. It’s one premium and then they leave.
i mean maybe the br changes are based on the fact for the last 6 months every is2 player has been using the cheap arse to enemy technique that makes the tank 10 times as tough gaigen balances by tank performance ifyour going to use your tanks engine to soak all the damage then gaigen is going to make it's br reflect that
76mm Jumbo should be 6.0 and T-44 should be back at 6.3, i don't know why gaijin changed them, anyways, i've only played the IS-2 after the BR change and so far i have a 5:1 Kill death ratio, so it's not that bad
@@danko8983 Honestly? T-44 could even be a 6.0, I don't see what makes it deserve such a high BR. It's got good hull armour? okay so what. You can kill the turret easily, and it's gun while not bad is just.. okay. It wouldn't be considerably better than anything at 6.0. Sure it has nice mobility but it's nothing crazy.
@@Gary_The_Metro welcome to Gajin logic it’s the same issue with the jumbo 76… same armor as the standard jumbo with a M10 76 gun at 6.3 yup that’s very fair that’s pretty much a tiger 2 P
Heres the thing, there are only three things that the IS2 now sees that could be problematic, the T95 Doom Turtle, and the British FV4202 and Conway. Everything else thats new, it either already saw in other trees, or have guns they already see just on new chassis' (i keep a Google Doc with BRs i update frequently to look at this stuff), so realistically, the IS2s arent in much of a different spot at 6.0 than they were at 5.7, let alone the ones that were already 6.0 and 6.3. So, yeah, it got nerfed into not being the big bully of the schoolyard anymore for poor little 4.7s, but it itself is perfectly fine. Also find it hilarious seeing all the people complain that the RU 5.7 lineup is now destroyed because of it, when they couldnt be more wrong, 5.7 is still great even without it.
It's soviet, who cares if it went up? It will do just fine. Good thing I'm not a dev, otherwise I'd move everything to 11.0 since ww2 tanks are constantly facing cold war tanks anyway
A good or a bad change? I don't know... I just don't really see why
Enjoy the bonking today friends :) I have one more video from last patch, then everything will be this patch!
I think it should have stayed! Also what was your into music? I was vibing to it haha!
I think it could have stayed as its armor isn't really reliable. But that could also be said about 6.3 IS-2's armor so it doesn't really matter. The gun still packs a punch. And I use it with the 6.3 ones anyway so it doesn't really change anything for me.
I think it's a terrible thing to uptier.
I don't even play Russia but I regularly face IS-2's and I will say, I'd generally rather deal with an IS-2 than a panther A. IS-2 is trolly but it's shell is so huge that volumetric likes to mess with it. So when it messes up the shot they're basically not a threat anymore since you can very easily shoot out their barrel or just kill em outright. This thing has a good gun, but that is everything it has. Everything else is either mediocre or average or outright bad.
Because it ruins the German balance and buffing the tiger is what they needed
@@Gary_The_Metro Also IS series tanks cannot angle due to the rounded section on the hull for it's turret ring. Then there's the Low front plate. Or just do some Track and barrel torture. Cause massive ass muzzle break.
IS2 at 6.0, M4A3E2 (76) W at 6.3, great decisions gaijin
Rarely fight 76 jumbos, what br were they at before?
@@SirCabooseCCCP iirc they used to be at 5.3 - 5.7 which would be alright but 6.3 is rdiculous if you arent very skilled
@@tylerobrien4304 5.3????? Thats like a king tiger at that br if you put a bush or two on
@@SirCabooseCCCP i think that 5.3 isnt an appropriate position for it, but 6.3 is far to high. I think 5.7 would be a practical place for it
@@tylerobrien4304 I agree, as 4.7 tanks can stand up to it and it can dish damage out to its enemies, but it certainly isnt a Tiger II(P) and isnt 6.3
The IS-2 Revenge was my first premium tank and probably my favorite tank I've ever owned other than the 906, all of the IS tanks will have a special place in my heart because they're all so amazingly fun
Same. Not my first premium, but the one I have some of the best memories with. I used it to grind almost the entire Soviet tree at the time and it's just pure joy to donk people with the 122mm. Great time when it was a lot of IS-2's vs Tiger II's trying to snipe each others turret cheeks at range.
is the 906 good imma get it just wondering
@@Johnny-xi4ti 906 probably the best Soviet light tank tier for tier. BMP-1 is a close second
@@Johnny-xi4ti It's absolutely amazing!
Balancing vehicles purely by player stats is so fucking brain dead, especially when even a .3 BR increase can completely destroy a vehicle as it faces a whole new range of tanks and it changes the ratio of uptiers.
this thing is fine lmao
personally i never liked the is2 without the better hull
It's just a shame the IS-2 1944 always gets upteired to 7.3. Atlest that's what happens to me.
@@wifi_soldier5076 play we should
nuke people do we will
I’d say I get like 60 40 mix of uptime to down tiers
@@wifi_soldier5076 almost all the time
I think even as an American main that the IS-2 should be 5.7
I miss IS-2 at 5.7, I have no idea why they had to move it up. One of the few tanks that can deal with German cats without aiming at weakspots, but its balanced cause of the reload. Armor also isn´t the best, Panther or Tiger I can go through almost anywhere, not even talking about Tiger II
You just answered your own question, the armor is fucky, the gun is just op
@@maxmachac9756 how is it op?, it has a 20+ sec reload and decent armor, basically the only tank that can pen the panther ufp at its br without apds, i love it but id take my panther a every day of the week
@@teamfall4684 The armour is very good. Not decent. Even the German guns have to aim for weak spots and even then, the weakspots can be trolly as hell.
But yeah, I do agree it was fine (very strong but not op) at 5.7. I think they should either put it back down, or buff the reload.
@@maxmachac9756 the gun is okay, if 122mm with 20s+ reload can be OP, then german 75 and long 88 also OP considering they have similar pen with half the reload rate.
Armor is trolly but not reliable, UFP cannot be angle yet the LFP is a big weakspot. And with only -3 depression it cannot go hull down.
I once love the IS-2 buy after coming back and got killed because german volumetric sideskirt eat my shell, i just forget about playing it
@@maxmachac9756 I said it balances out by its reload
I don’t get why they changed it, it made a fantastic 5.7 line up with the T-34-85 and other tanks around that BR
Turny, the IS-2 got nerfed AGAIN with the model update... The armor is worse.
But the armor UFP could already be penned by an m10.
@@robertharris6092 It's worse right now, even a Panzer IV Ausf. G doesn't have much problems penetrating your armor.
The IS-2 has worse armor than the KV-1 (ZiS-5) at the moment.
Maybe it's realistic, since the IS-2 in real life was destroyed many times by StuG's... But in War Thunder using the IS-2 at 6.0 is annoying after the nerfs.
Supposedly it's only a visual model update, not an armour update
@@carlblack8574 i use is2 at 6.7 and its still a beast maybe its not problem with the tank maybe it doesn't suit your playstyle
@@LTOFrenchBias When did he say he sucks with it now?
Tank can kind of do well against Panthers
Gaijin: >:(
"Kind of well" tf are you on about, you can pen the front plate on a panther without aiming
@@maxmachac9756 And the Panther can do that to literally everything it at its BR or lower, except the jumbo
@@GreyShot254 it can do it to a jumbo too lmao, so can the Tiger.
@@GreyShot254 Panther can still pen unangled Jumbo with ease
Please can you revisit the T32? Hasnt changed much but lately most games i get in it are downteirs and it has a good lineup with the m48, m46, t95 and the f84 and f80 for air support.
Russia 5.7 lineup had to die because the German 5.7 players were crying
I mean, it didnt die though. the IS2 wasnt the only good thing in the 5.7 lineup, Still have the IS1, T3485, BTR-ZD, PT-76 and ISU-122S, all great in their own right, and thats not even taking into account any of the excellent premiums, KV-220, KV-122 (basically the IS2), T-V Panther, T-34-85E, M4A2, and SU-122P (of which i have all... not exactly PROUD to admit it, but still, great SL earners). The 5.7 lineup is very much alive and well even without the IS2.
BS... the german 5.7 is the strongest in the game... why would we cry lol. Likely other nations had trouble dealing with it.
I have a feeling gaijin doesn't take crying into account when balancing. So it was likely over performing (stats wise). It's a fault with gaijins balancing strategy.
@Rosie I'm sure the soviet players are best of the best... without the help of preangled stalinium or vodka coated shells that have magical angle performance, the soviet player base would crumble.
what? its fine same with russia 5.7 like all of there TD's are super under tierd lol
One of the worst br changes
It literally doesn’t change anything lol
@@Optimusprime56241 ik
The jumbo 76 was the worst lol
The Junbo 76 is at 6.3 with a 4.bullshit gun... with armor that does nothing but slow you down.
Still waiting on tiger 4.5 so this is a compromise.
Its not too confusing if you look at its recent w/l and overall performance in game. people be doing well in it at 5.7 so it gets the big ol bump up
It still blows my mind this thing sits at a higher BR than Tiger E,just because what?More pen?It doesn't really matter if your gun is more powerful when you have all the disadvantages in other aspects.
whats the goofy soviet song at the start of the video?💀💀i need to know
Meanwhile the Jumbo 76 is still a 6.3…. Same armor as the first jumbo but with the 3.3br M10 gun! Wow that’s pretty much the same thing as a Tiger 2 P and IS2 thanks Gajin that really helps the US line😑
I hated this br change, now I just use the 1944, cause 6.0 doesnt have a proper lineup
so that's why I've been seeing a lot of IS2's when I play my super sherman.. this thing should have stayed at it's old BR..
The M51 eats the IS2 for breakfast lol
Another BIG tank 👽 Love ur vids TURNY🔥🔥
Thank you !!
Stalinium *S T R O N K*
so sad its 6.0 again.
Object 248 is unusable at 6.7, I hate Gaijin for ruining it. (And many other things)
o my gosh its a commuist STALIN
Eh, the IS2 is a beast. Certainly more capable at 6.0 than the Jumbo 76 was.
Only due to it’s gun.76mm Jumbo is far better protected against APHE.
It's funny -- I was just thinking I've never heard you swear, then you go droppin an f-bomb. WEIRD.
And I still beeped it out 🤣
I think this isn't confusing at all, the ultimate objective for gaijin is to make profit. And germany is being asserted as the domiant tech tree at lower-mid teer, they are making sure all other tech tree's vehicle need to have some asspect weaker or if they some sort of matching aspect they need to pay off huge prices for it in other ones, like fire power and armor. By doing this gaijin could quickly attrach large numbers of new players, and after they get to the mid-higher teers they start to loss that advantage, almost forcing them to buy some kind of prenium. This theme is proofed by 9.7 soviet tech tree, if Gaijin really loves any nation more than other it would vehicles with the Russian flag not the soviet ones and the Swedish and finish vehicle( not sure why)
It's just disgusting to look at how far they could go to ensure they profit, and they arn't even the worst. Free to Play game....
Never really liked this version of the is 2 prefer the one with more armor
Play the Panzer 3M at 3.3 is so bad it should be back at 3.0
wrong, its fine all of the panzers are under tiered lol
dont know anything else then playing it at 6 and 6.3 both do very well in my 6.7 lineup, even when pitted against a tier higher. Both still balanced altough the is2 1944 does beat it obviously.
awesome content as always
Up tiers are theft...
Germoney supphers boo hoo hoo is2 to 11.3 now, teegor and pantorr to reserve tier plox gaejoob
I’m a German main and would prefer a Tiger E and Panther A which are 5.7 over IS-2 any day lol reload speed and 4 crew members are dealbreakers for me.
Unless I have a 100mm 107mm or a 122mm
Im not playing 5.7 its not worth it when you have to aim really good or flank to kill. Were as the enemy doesnt have to aim or flank to destroy you.
Russia mains when they have to play the game like everyone else😡
@@elawaids2888 lmfao that's a dumb take
@@elawaids2888 german mains that can click on every tank and still have bad k/d
@@kaboom6236 He's not wrong though, Russia Mains aren't as braindead as Germany Mains but they're up there lmao. If you stick the average Russia main into a tank that doesn't play itself, they just die. It would make playing Russia pretty frustrating if most of the tanks weren't so good lol.
@@bluebox87059 well I mean as someone who played both Russia high tier and Germany mid tier I can assure you that teams are way worse on the German side on the technical side of things. The problem with Russia is just that people don’t use backups. It’s one premium and then they leave.
I really want to know what vehicle is in the preset "Boris the Bias" 🤣
t34 1940 and t54 1949 in full downtier vs aphe. Ask me I know😂😂💀
It's my top tier lineup 😂
i mean maybe the br changes are based on the fact for the last 6 months every is2 player has been using the cheap arse to enemy technique that makes the tank 10 times as tough gaigen balances by tank performance ifyour going to use your tanks engine to soak all the damage then gaigen is going to make it's br reflect that
It's very annoying seeing people do that crap. Personally I'll just shoot them in the ass and burn e'm down if they aren't angled too much.
I mean obviously meh but still better then the T44 and Jumbo Sherman br change 😢
76mm Jumbo should be 6.0 and T-44 should be back at 6.3, i don't know why gaijin changed them, anyways, i've only played the IS-2 after the BR change and so far i have a 5:1 Kill death ratio, so it's not that bad
@@danko8983 Honestly? T-44 could even be a 6.0, I don't see what makes it deserve such a high BR. It's got good hull armour? okay so what. You can kill the turret easily, and it's gun while not bad is just.. okay. It wouldn't be considerably better than anything at 6.0. Sure it has nice mobility but it's nothing crazy.
@@Gary_The_Metro i agree with it being 6.3 again, but 6.0 would just be bullying
@@teamfall4684 How come? It's literally just a T-34 85 with a stronger hull. I don't see how that warrants a .6 uptier
@@Gary_The_Metro welcome to Gajin logic it’s the same issue with the jumbo 76… same armor as the standard jumbo with a M10 76 gun at 6.3 yup that’s very fair that’s pretty much a tiger 2 P
Play maus day #5
Are you planning on doing a face reveal?
I’m pretty sure he has before I may be wrong though
Heres the thing, there are only three things that the IS2 now sees that could be problematic, the T95 Doom Turtle, and the British FV4202 and Conway. Everything else thats new, it either already saw in other trees, or have guns they already see just on new chassis' (i keep a Google Doc with BRs i update frequently to look at this stuff), so realistically, the IS2s arent in much of a different spot at 6.0 than they were at 5.7, let alone the ones that were already 6.0 and 6.3.
So, yeah, it got nerfed into not being the big bully of the schoolyard anymore for poor little 4.7s, but it itself is perfectly fine.
Also find it hilarious seeing all the people complain that the RU 5.7 lineup is now destroyed because of it, when they couldnt be more wrong, 5.7 is still great even without it.
Epic fail for people who play overpowered tech trees
Lol bruh the IS-2 is ass. Wtf.
next is kv-85
that thing is op at 4.7
@@daskollektiv4593 it's basically the kv1c but it's shell ignores angles lol
@@nukesomething5518 its literally a is1 at a much lower br
@@daskollektiv4593 It’s armor is only 75mm dude wtf
play whit a tutel
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It's soviet, who cares if it went up? It will do just fine.
Good thing I'm not a dev, otherwise I'd move everything to 11.0 since ww2 tanks are constantly facing cold war tanks anyway
Maybe I'm crazy, but you sound much different in this video then others
I've never been this early before 😳
Day 23 part 2 of asking for some juicy black prince gameplay 👾
A victory for german 5.3/5.7 players
Because they have it oh so difficult lol
bad br change
big gun still go bang
so
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*BONK*
German players had skill issue taking down is-2 smh
Literally even a Panzer IV can frontally kill it at close range wtf
When you start war thunder you quickly learn how Russian anything out performs everything else. Then you look at the news and see it's a fuken lie 🤣